I blinked at the AP headline. It is so rare to see justice done to the wealthy and powerful, especially someone who has for so long been the darling of the political and media elites, I couldn’t believe it at first. Ramadan will still likely skate: there are too many well-placed Muslim Brotherhood operatives and sympathizers in the government of France, and governments all over the West, for any other outcome to be likely. Still, the thought of him behind bars must bring some small comfort to his accusers, who have detailed far greater horrors to which he subjected them.
It is useful to remember that some people knew for years about Tariq Ramadan’s behavior. Bernard Godard, who was the “Monsieur Islam” of the French Ministry of the Interior and knew Ramadan well, said: “That he had many mistresses, that he consulted sites, that girls were brought to the hotel at the end of his lectures, that he invited them to undress, that some resisted and that he could become violent and aggressive, yes, but I have never heard of rapes, I am stunned.”
Why didn’t Godard act, knowing that “some” of the women whom Tariq Ramadan “invited to undress…resisted and that he could become violent and aggressive”? You know the answer: “Monsieur Islam” was afraid of being smeared as an “Islamophobe.” Tariq Ramadan’s entire rise to positions of influence and power can be attributed solely and wholly to his pose as a “Muslim reformer,” and to the Western intelligentsia’s avid desire to showcase such people in order to show that they are not “Islamophobic,” and are on board with the diversity/multiculturalism project. His rise certainly cannot be attributed to his wisdom and insight.
“French judge orders jail for Islamic scholar in rape cases,” by Elaine Ganley, Associated Press, February 6, 2018:
A French judge decided on Tuesday to keep prominent Islamic scholar Tariq Ramadan in detention, four days after he was handed preliminary rape charges in cases alleged by women who sought his counsel.
A judicial official, who wasn’t authorized to speak publicly about the cases, said the decision followed the recommendation of the prosecutor’s office.
Ramadan was placed under investigation on Feb. 2 for an alleged rape resulting from a 2009 encounter and for the alleged rape of a vulnerable person in a 2012 case. Both women filed the complaints last year.
Ramadan, in custody since Jan. 31, denies any wrongdoing.
Ramadan had sought to buy some time before the judge ordered him kept in decision, saying last week after being charged that he wanted to postpone the required “debate” before any decision on remaining in jail. The tactic apparently didn’t work.
Ramadan, 55, is on leave from Britain’s Oxford University, where he is a professor of contemporary Islamic studies. He travels frequently and has written numerous books on Islam and the integration of Muslims in Europe.
It was not known how long he could remain locked up. Under French law, the order to hold him in “provisional detention” can last one year and include two consecutive six-month renewals thereafter. However, a suspect’s time in custody can be cut short at any time if a judge agrees detention is no longer warranted….
The judicial official said that in ordering Ramadan to remain in jail, the judge was either weighing the well-being of the women behind the case or assuring that the scholar does not leave France while the investigation is in progress…
jihad3tracker says
AS PAM GELLER WOULD SAY, A “WHEN PIGS FLY MOMENT”.
Let’s fast forward to Monsieur Ramadan’s second day in confinement, in the morning, as he steps into the prison’s shower.
A low-pitched voice comes out of the mouth of a VERY big, well-muscled, and admirably endowed fellow:
“Pardon-moi, cheri — I seem to have dropped my bar of soap. Would you be so kind as to bend over and retrieve it?
Gjallarhornet says
Apart from the fact that he is obviously gulity, he has also doublecrossed the qataris, who funded him.
This people are VERY vindictive. They are fully capable of paying the French state to punish him as hard as they can.
Which just prove that the ‘modern’ islamic mindset Ramadan has lectured us on hardly exists. In the end, it is all dishonesty. He deserves jail.
Maybe there is some justice in the world after all. I mean Hitchens died, and we were left with Ramadan. It just didn’t seem fair.
Gjallarhornet says
Ops, comment published as a reply. Did not intend to. No matter.
jule says
How CAN we comment. It seems we must only do a reply.
Prison is where these guys do the most preaching, recruiting, plotting. He should be in ISOLATION, No Question!
StellaSaidSo says
Tariq Ramadan has not yet been tried. He is being kept in custody pending a possible trial. While his guilt may appear fairly certain, the presumption of innocence applies in France. There is no reason to suspect that the Qataris would attempt to influence the outcome of a trial. They have already meted out punishment to Ramadan thru shutting down his funding and banning him from entering Qatar.
Hari Singh says
Actually in France and under Napleonic law you’re presumed guilty until acquitted and authorities can hold you much longer without charges.
StellaSaidSo says
The presumption of innocence applies in France, Hari Singh. Look it up.
Gjallarhornet says
From wikipedia “In France, article 9 of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen 1789, which has force as constitutional law, begins: “Any man being presumed innocent until he has been declared guilty …”. The Code of Criminal Procedure states in its preliminary article that “any person suspected or prosecuted is presumed innocent for as long as their guilt has not been established”[15] and the jurors’ oath repeats this assertion (article 304).[28] However, there exists a popular misconception that under French law, the accused is presumed guilty until proven innocent”
So that’s that. Otherwise, I wrote ‘fully capable of’, something they are. The ruling sheiks are not nice people. I did, then, not write that they have done so.
Salome says
I remember an American who assumed that the guilty were presumed innocent under Australian law–I think it’s a bit of American exceptionalism taken too far. Sorry, America, you didn’t invent the presumption of innocence and you don’t have a monopoly on it. That said, in France the investigating judge works with the police putting together the charges like a prosecutor, and also has the authority to remand prisoners or bail them (or at least to make a request that doesn’t require a formal Court hearing to grant). The system is different, and for an accused person from a common law jurisdiction, a little scary, but the presumption remains.
gravenimage says
I miss Christopher Hitchens.
Not going to miss this thug, though.
ROBERT BROWN says
I agree gravenimage, Hitchens was a sorry loss to a cruel disease…and yet this worthless rat lives….He always plays to the audience in debates, full of admiring westerners too dim to know they are being played..i detest them…they know who they are…He smirks behind his hand at rival debaters , Douglas Murray for one….Hope he is banged up for a while, the arrogant, nasty little moslem rat…Prof indeed. Oxford has degenerated considerably, any University that produces the likes of Owen Jones, and employs pretenders like Ramadan is worthless in my book.
StellaSaidSo says
It is always a great pleasure to see Douglas slap an opponent down in debate, and ESPECIALLY when that opponent is the obnoxious Tariq Ramadan! I totally agree with you, ROBERT BROWN, re Owen Jones. What an embarrassment that boy is. Some of the products of prestigious US academies are even worse.
gravenimage says
True, Robert. Oxford did put Ramadan on leave, though. A rather weak response, but better than none.
CRUSADER says
Bravo.
Maranatha says
Or maybe his claim not having anything to do with the Qataris was coocked up with the Qataris themselves so that they don’t loose their face for having funded a freak . And maybe the announced jail sentence is only meant to make it look like justice is served and to keep the victims from complaining . In the end , when mostlikely he will not go to jail , then athorities can always claim it’s the fault of the judicial process the several appeals the different cultural background and so on with the tipical bla bla bla . However if he really goes to jail then I ‘m willing to admit that I was completely wrong .
StellaSaidSo says
You greatly over-estimate Tariq Ramadan’s popularity in the Muslim world.
Qatar is not the first Muslim country to deny entry to Tariq Ramadan. It is the eighth.
Tariq Ramadan is not ‘serving a sentence’. He is in custody because he failed to get bail. I doubt that the victims are complaining about this. The fact that bail was denied means that the authorities in France are satisfied that he has a case to answer, and that they want to ensure that he stays there to answer it.
Why are you so convinced that ‘most likely he will not go to jail’?
Mike says
It would be fitting, but it’s unlikely to happen. Likely as not, he’ll be active in prison forming Islamic Study Groups, and be a virtual king in there.
Sorry to burst the bubble…
StellaSaidSo says
Sorry to burst the bubble, Mike, but TR is not popular among Islam’s hardliners, and it is highly unlikely that he would be ‘a virtual king’ in any prison inhabited by them.
gravenimage says
Yes–he spent too much time pretending to be a “reformer”.
StellaSaidSo says
That is not the issue with the hardliners, GI. They well understand the importance of the role in the jihad those who pretend to be ‘moderate’. The hardliners dislike Ramadan because of his sexual profligacy, the exposure of which they see as having brought shame to Islam.
gravenimage says
Possibly so, Stella.
Salome says
Sexual profligacy? You mean, he should’ve stuck to raping infidels?
StellaSaidSo says
I think that’s how they see it, Salome.
Lavéritétriomphera says
He could leave the country and if he is convicted he must go to court.
StellaSaidSo says
He has been formally charged, was denied bail, and remains in custody pending trial. If found ‘not guilty’, he will of course be free to go wherever he chooses. But if convicted, he will proceed immediately to prison.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@StellaSaidSo,
Bonjour,
You are perfectly right, I misspoke.
Amitiés.
StellaSaidSo says
Oui, je comprend! I wish my French was as good as your English, LOL!
Greetings to you from Australia!
gravenimage says
Just what I was going to note, Salome.
Halal Bacon says
I hope he is on the receiving end on Bacha Bazi Night at the Crow Bar Hotel
mortimer says
Indeed, whilst in JAIL, will Mr. Ramadan continue to believe that a ‘WIFE’ lacks the RIGHT TO SAY ‘NO’ to sex?
Georg says
Countdown to iron vacation.
mortimer says
Mr. Ramadan can now learn the ‘ROMANCE’ of JAIL FOREPLAY … “Shut up, bitch, or I’ll cut you!”
Oh, the humanity.
There are LOTS of Muslims in jail in France. Maybe he can teach them some his favorite ways of harass…er… I mean… reforming Islam.
mortimer says
WHAT? Is Oxford University not going to claim Mr. Ramadan is INDISPENSABLE to his students?
(crickets…)
Champ says
It is useful to remember that some people knew for years about Tariq Ramadan’s behavior. Bernard Godard, who was the “Monsieur Islam” of the French Ministry of the Interior and knew Ramadan well, said: “That he had many mistresses, that he consulted sites, that girls were brought to the hotel at the end of his lectures, that he invited them to undress, that some resisted and that he could become violent and aggressive, yes, but I have never heard of rapes, I am stunned.”
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“that some resisted and that he could become violent and aggressive, yes, but I have never heard of rapes, I am stunned.” …oh please he is “stunned” that women were raped when he “could become violent and aggressive”? ..is he kidding; is this a joke?
gravenimage says
He’s disgusting.
Maranatha says
Having girls brought to your Hotel , consulting sites , having many mistresses and becoming violent if some resisted that’s just an indicator of what is to be expected , it’s one step away from a potential rape.
So I’m actually stunned that there is a statement out there claiming to be stunned because they never thought of rape .I’m stunned that they are stunned .
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Maranatha, You say, “… consulting sites … is just an indicator of what is to be expected, it’s one step away from a potential rape.”
Why is consulting a site or two just a step away from a potential rape? What does it *mean* to consult a site? Is “consulting sites” a mistranslation of something that makes sense in French?
StellaSaidSo says
‘With friends like these, who needs enemies…?’ Bernard Godard is a long-time admirer of Tariq Ramadan. Given the incriminating nature of Godard’s remarks, I doubt that the feeling is mutual.
On a more serious note, the fact that many of Ramadan’s connections have remained silent on the matter of his conduct should not be interpreted as approval of it, as some have suggested.
mortimer says
“So, Your Honor, when a woman said ‘NO’ to sex with Mr. Ramadan, he became ‘violent and aggressive’ … does that sound like the definition of ‘RAPE’, Your Honor? I think it does for most people!”
Carol (the 1st) says
Maybe Goddard thought he took his violence and aggression out on a pillow? But more likely he couldn’t appreciate the subtle difference.
Dwight Hogg says
Imam Bilal Philips, Canada, thinks it is just peachy for a 50 t0 60 yr old man to marry a 10 yr old. So why with a culture like Isla, wouldn’t Tariq Ramadan believe that he is entitled to these girls and how could they have the audacity to deny his holiness. A country that can’t even have the integrity to protect its’ children doesn’t deserve the title of country or nation. The rape gang issue in England should have brought the people out of their stupor and made them rise up against their spineless politicians.
WorkingClassPost says
Unfortunately it was very successfully spun as a rare event, mainly confined to Rotherham, which has now been dealt with so we can all go back to sleep.
Oh, and it had nothing to do with islam.
Anne Smith says
The people who have risen up against Muslim crimes and rape gangs under the banner of Britain First are now being hounded and successfully prosecuted by the May Government. She even had the audacity to publicly reprimand Mr Trump for re-tweeting one of their videos (which was a factual event).
Although Mrs May is not up to the job of governing Britain or overseeing our exit from the EU she is very efficient at rebuking and reprimanding others which she seems to do on a daily basis.
StellaSaidSo says
Indeed, Anne, Theresa May is very adept at punishing those who dare to criticise gov’t policy, particularly where Islam is concerned. It was May – then Home Secretary – who oversaw the persecution by the State of Tommy Robinson, which almost resulted in his death. While Tommy Robinson continues to be targeted for official harassment, May’s focus has widened to include other groups and individuals, and especially the brave leaders of Britain First. It will be interesting to see how May responds when Anne Marie Waters’ new political party develops a sizeable following, as it undoubtedly will. That resources can be found to pursue posters on social media, but not to track down hundreds of returned jihadis, tells us all we need to know about the priorities of the PM and her nasty little sidekick in the office of the Mayor of London.
StellaSaidSo says
Robert, it is a long time since Tariq Ramadan was ‘the darling of political and media elites’ in France.
He is being kept in custody because it is feared that if he were released on bail, he might flee the country.
Champ says
…oh no way is he a ‘darling’ of anything just look at that *creepy* face!! ..good gawd!
gravenimage says
French judge orders jail for Islamic “reformer” Tariq Ramadan over rape charges
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Some good news.
Jack Diamond says
The two rapes he’ll be charged with (initially) are of Muslim women, one of whom is the writer Henda Ayari (who calls herself a “free Muslim”–free from “salafism” not Islam per se) who is a very credible witness. So much so she now has to live under police protection. I don’t see him skating free, unless he were given the chance to flee the country.
Worth noting it was Hillary Clinton at the State Department who rescinded the ban on Ramadan entering the United States (he was banned over his connections to the Holy Land Foundation Hamas-front), no doubt thanks to Clinton’s BFF Huma Abdein and her Muslim Sisterhood leader and mother, Saleha, and because Tariq Ramadan is the grandson of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood and a key operative.
StellaSaidSo says
‘I don’t see him skating free’
Neither do I, Jack Diamond. Tariq Ramadan is not highly esteemed by the French, as so many on JW seem to assume that he is. The truth is that Tariq Ramadan has few friends anywhere these days. I doubt that even Hillary and Huma would have a kind word for him.
Carol (the 1st) says
That’s an eye-catching phrase “a free Muslim – free from salafism”. It undoubtedly means not “acting-out” but unfortunately the ideology would remain bogus, biased and a lurking danger to others.
Max Publius says
Revoke EU and Swiss citizenship from this vile jihad rapist is priority after his two years hard labor. Ship him to Libya and let the ummah feed him.
StellaSaidSo says
Tariq Ramadan was born in Switzerland. Switzerland is not a member of the EU.
Z says
Justice being served. Is there anything more beautiful?
StellaSaidSo says
Not so fast, Z. Tariq Ramadan has not been tried yet. He is being kept in custody pending a possible trial.
Georg says
Obama will try to pardon him.
Matthieu Baudin says
“… the diversity/multiculturalism project …”
Yes, the story of the Pied Piper all over again.
Champ says
islamic “reform” did NOT include a mohammedan’s rite-of-passage to hate and rape women …he wasn’t about to take things THAT far!
Georg says
The only “reform” he was attempting was a reform of Islam’s already rosy image in the West. His actions speak to his intentions and conception of Islam. None of it’s news to us, but hopefully a few people previously unaware now understand the ideology and attitudes we oppose.
gravenimage says
True, Georg.
MFritz says
Looks like the “reformation” and moderation of islam has taken a backlash. By its worst enemy. Reality.
gravenimage says
Ramadan was, of course, never sincere about “reformation” in the first place–and he is no “moderate”.
RichardL says
Good news on JW! So rare and therefore much celebrated.
gravenimage says
🙂
Eur says
Muslims in general have a problem with sex and domination over women. It is a big problem in all societies, including ours but in Islamic societies it is infinitely more evident.Religion has always been used as a tool of social control and the most effective way is by subjecting women. The degree of freedom of a society can be measured by the freedom that women enjoy. The Islamic societies, which are still controlled by Islam … are pure poison.
StellaSaidSo says
+1
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
The good news is that French prisons have a great reputation for quality of life. Maybe Tariq can continue his ongoing debate with Spencer from his cell.
StellaSaidSo says
‘…French prisons have a great reputation for quality of life.’
Actually, no. French prisons are notoriously overcrowded and under-staffed. Many of them are located in very old buildings, built for other purposes, and are very run-down. Opportunities for vocational training and social activity are limited. Violent Islamists threaten the safety of prisoners and prison officers alike. Not exactly the standard of living that the suave Professor Ramadan is accustomed to!
Lavéritétriomphera says
@StellaSaidSo,
Once again you are right http://time.com/4681612/french-prisons/.
gravenimage says
Stella, APF was being sarcastic.
StellaSaidSo says
So what if he was being sarcastic? There are JW readers who believe that French prisons are like Hilton hotels, as there are JW readers who think that Tariq Ramadan enjoys protected status in France. No opportunity to correct such misapprehensions should be passed up.
Ken Olson says
Wow!! I would not have believed it.
Linnte says
Maybe he will get canned from Oxford. We can only hope.
StellaSaidSo says
Tariq Ramadan’s position at Oxford was funded by Qatar, and the funding has been withdrawn. The professor is officially ‘on leave’, which is a polite way of saying he was fired.
Richard Courtemanche says
Of course. And the University who had this guy teaching, should de-indoctrinate the students and reimburse their tuitions.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Provided he will not radicalize in prison, this satirical drawing of Charlie Hebdo has made every netsurfer laugh (Well almost everyone) https://www.20minutes.fr/medias/2216291-20180207-charlie-hebdo-tariq-ramadan-fait-rire-presque-tous-internautes.
gravenimage says
Glad to see that Charlie Hebdo hasn’t completely abandoned making fun of violent Muslims.
By the way, Lavéritétriomphera, I love your user name.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Thank you,
The funniest thing of all in this (and the sad part too), is that Tarik Ramadan take himself seriously !
Amitiés.
StellaSaidSo says
C’est vrai! Far more seriously than anyone else has taken him, for years. Charlie Hebdo has often made fun of Tariq, but they have surpassed themselves with their latest cover. Which has upset a few of Tariq’s remaining fans, who have issued the usual death threats.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@StellaSaidSo,
Bonjour,
Tarik Ramdan does not know he is ridiculus, but he can be dangerous.
Amitiés.
Gordon Thomson says
…or both in his case.