“Speaking on Prime Time on RTE One last night, he explained: ‘I am not an advocate of female genital mutilation, but of female circumcision.'”
That’s a distinction without a difference. All “female circumcision” involves genital mutilation.
“It’s the same medical reasons that justify male circumcision, it’s not an obligation but it should be allowed by law if needed and a medical doctor should be able to decide if it’s needed.”
Under what circumstances could this possibly be needed? Female genital mutilation is practiced in order to destroy a woman’s sex drive and make her more easily controlled. It condemns millions of women to lives of pain and misery.
Ali Selim is defending female genital mutilation because it is mandated in Islamic law: “Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) (by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the bazr ‘clitoris’ [this is called khufaadh ‘female circumcision’]).” — ‘Umdat al-Salik e4.3, translated by Mark Durie, The Third Choice, p. 64
Why is it obligatory? Because Muhammad is held to have said so: “Abu al- Malih ibn Usama’s father relates that the Prophet said: ‘Circumcision is a law for men and a preservation of honour for women.’” — Ahmad Ibn Hanbal 5:75
“Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said to her: ‘Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.’” — Abu Dawud 41:5251
Unless and until its Islamic justifications, which everyone seems to want to cover up and deny, are addressed, FGM will never be eradicated.
“Female circumcision ‘should be allowed by law’ – leading member of Ireland’s Islamic Cultural Centre,” by Kathy Armstrong, Independent.ie, February 9, 2018 (thanks to Blazing Cat Fur):
Female circumcision “has been described in a horrible way” and should be considered in certain circumstances, a leading member of the Islamic Cultural Centre of Ireland has said.
Dr Ali Selim called female circumcision “an inherited practice” and said parents should be allowed to have it carried out on their daughter if a doctor says it’s necessary….
Female circumcision, also known as female genital mutilation (FGM), is defined as the partial of total destruction of female genitalia for non-medical reasons and was made illegal here in 2012.
FGM has been carried out on an estimated 200 million girls around the world, including nearly 6,000 in Ireland.
Despite the World Health Organisation stating that “the procedure has no health benefits for girls and women”, Dr Selim claims it should be allowed in some instances.
Speaking on Prime Time on RTE One last night, he explained: “I am not an advocate of female genital mutilation, but of female circumcision.
“If we see female circumcision in the same way as male circumcision, it might be needed for one person and not another, it has to be determined by a doctor and practiced in a safe, medical environment.
“It’s the same medical reasons that justify male circumcision, it’s not an obligation but it should be allowed by law if needed and a medical doctor should be able to decide if it’s needed.”
Dr Selim, who is an Arabic lecturer at Trinity College, said he feels that female circumcision has been harshly portayed.
“It has been described in a horrible way, it’s always described as ‘barbaric’ and we always hear the term mutilation, it is portrayed as a dark skin practice, or something that belongs in the Dark Ages.
“In Europe people want to be cool so you have to show a revolutionary attitude, it’s an inherited practice.
“If it’s inherited it doesn’t have to be rejected, it has to be considered and not rejected just because it’s inherited,” he said.
Dr Selim also claimed there is little that can be done to stop people accessing female circumcision abroad….
Phil Copson says
Sex-crazed savage….
Andy says
Muslims should not be in ANY JUDEO-CHRISTIAN civilized country Period!!!
The proof is in the pudding as they say, All the practices of moslems FGM for example show they don;t belong in our society.
Stop Political Correctness before it stops Judeo-Christian civilization.
revereridesagain says
They will taqiyya their way around any objection, just a this animal does. But why aren’t the churches speaking out against this cruelty? Where is their “charity” and “love” for these women and girls? Most of the ones I see are too busy beating their drums for more Islamic immigration.
Johan Elzinga says
Then make by law the cutting off of the penis and the balls of muslim fathers obligatory when it turns out that they had their daughters circumsized. And introduce a yearly check by a physician obligatory of muslim girls to see if they have been mutilated.
Andy says
How come the religion of peace is always at war???
How come the minority cause the majority of crime??
There’s nothing that unifies us more than continually focusing on our differences!
Andy says
Another Day Another Attack on European History and Identity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXqYYwL4vTs
COMING TO A NEIGHBORHOOD NEAR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YddvTVJqotw
C. Webb says
NO. FGM I barbaric and from a time gone many centuries ago. If hear people all their own laws an evil child abuse, them get out of the UK a g live In a Islamic country.
Lydia Church says
If they like mutilating genitals so much, they can start with their own!
Prediction: Rape crimes will drop significantly.
StellaSaidSo says
In this dude’s case, I’d begin the incision just under his chin.
J D S says
Mr. Muslim Leader in Ireland don’t have a clue…well maybe he does…FGM does one thing…keeps a woman from the enjoyment of sex she will just be USED what they think a woman is….jus something to be USED and lower than a dog.
Paddy says
Exactly.Sex fiends of the worst kind.
Carol (the 1st) says
Stubborn, brainwashed imbeciles – why do we have to be harassed by the likes of this?
Selim: “If it’s INHERITED it doesn’t have to be rejected…”?? This guy thinks with muslim parents you’re BORN a muslim – as though a disgusting ideology is part of your DNA – and thus he’s managed to conflate this notion of being an “inherited” thing with the “inherited” right to have your main sexual pleasure organ taken from you (before it becomes a “problem”).
Original sources unknown, but paraphrasing some interesting lines from the prologue to Ted Decker’s “A.D.33”:
“It is said there are FOUR PILLARS of life in Arabia without which all desert life would cease:
– the SANDS, for they offer water where it can be found
– the CAMEL, as it grants both milk and freedom
– the TENT, as it gives shelter from certain death
– the BEDOUIN, masters of the desert, ruled by none, loyal to the death.
But these four are slaves to a FIFTH: the pillar of HONOR AND SHAME.
It is said there’s no greater HONOR than being born with the blood of a man, and no greater SHAME than being born with the blood of a woman.
SINCE SHE IS BORN INTO SHAME, A WOMAN MAY FIND HONOR ONLY BY BRINGING NO SHAME TO MEN.
Aaah! Now that explains it all. Thank yu, big boy!
Carmen says
Cut the tip of his penis off!!! Let’s see how he feels about sex!!! What a loser!
MFritz says
Establishing their parallel culture and making themselves “unremovable” by breeding like rabbits. Take a good look at other places where their numbers are twice or 10 times that of Ireland and see what will happen!
Or just read about the history of places that they invaded. Wanna go the same way? You’re already halfway there!
Prabh108 says
There is no such thing as female ‘circumcision’: this is female castration. International Law (if it has not already done so) must declare this practice of mutilating girls and women to be illegal, and by law (law enforcement needed) this heinous atrocity must be prevented by the medical community, the education system and by law enforcement personnel if necessary.
Female castration is torture – no good child can take birth as process of procreation is ruined by mutilated genitalia – Islam is highly dysgenic. The entire process of correct conception depends upon intact genitalia.
(Captain Vadakayil recently blogged about importance of intact genitalia with regards to overall health and well-being.)
pr108 excuse typo if any
LeftisruiningCanada says
Confusing post there Prabh. While i agree that it’s not really ‘circumcision’, it’s also not ‘castration’.
It is definitely mutilation though.
What do you mean that ‘no good child’ can be born?
Bit strange
Jay says
Cutting off a girls clitoris can be seen as castration, since it makes her often unable to enjoy sex. This as even worse than some forms of Male castration (for example; if just the testicles are removed). A lot of the female genital mutilation which preformed would be similar to part whole of male’s penis being cut off.
There must have been something about Pre-Islamic Arab culture which made me possessive of their wives and daughters. So they feared their having sexual relationships with other men, when they were away. Hence feeling the need, that that wives or daughters clitorises were cut, so they would ideally remain faithful to their husbands.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Not really a jolly thing to debate, but the term castration is usually applied only when ones reproductive organs have been removed.
If islam was doing that to it’s women folk, we would not be having nearly so much trouble with invasion and jihad.
lauren says
but how to reconcile this with old uncky moey’s statement that a child resembles the parent who orgasmed first,if a woman is cut & doesn’t orgasm and the kid resembles her,how was this explained or would this have been proof enough of infidelity & she’d be stoned?
Walter Sieruk says
On the subject of the cruel, brutal and vicious Islamic tradition of female butchery which some Muslims so inappropriately call “female circumcision.” This heinous Islamic custom of misogyny has been exposed in the book by Brigitte Gabriel which is entitled THEY MUST BE STOPPED. For on page 178 it reveals to the reader that “One of the most devastating practices to young girls of the Islamic world is female genital mutilation. Young girls have their clitoris removed without anesthesia…”
Indeed, they must be stopped !
gravenimage says
Ayaan Hirsi Ali–who suffered this atrocity as a child–gives a harrowing account of her mutilation.
Lu says
This one thing itself – this crime against humanity – is enough to ban that devious cult everywhere. In my view, FGM is tantamount to an act of torture, even worse – because its impact is permanently disabling the victim for the rest of her life.
That person – dr. of what? – should be charged with supporting and advocating genocide.
Caroline says
FGM is not exclusively a Muslim thing. It is practiced by Christians and Jews as well. It predates Christianity and Islam.
Robert Spencer says
Yes, but only in Islam does it have theological justification, and is only practiced by Christians (not Jews at all, your statement is false) in heavily Muslim areas.
StellaSaidSo says
Sounds like you have been listening to a smooth-talking apologist, Caroline. I’ve heard a few of these. Did s/he also claim that ‘there’s nothing in the Koran about FGM’? (counting on you to conclude that if it isn’t in the Koran, it can’t be Islamic). They hate it when you know that the reference to FGM is in the Hadith. The fact that the custom pre-dates Islam does not make it any less Islamic. There is a lot in the Koran that pre-dates Islam. The Koran was plagiarised from Jewish, Christian, pagan, and other sources.
FGM is compulsory in Islamic countries which follow the Shafi’i school of Islamic jurisprudence, and widely practised elsewhere throughout the Islamic world. Creeps like the ‘scholar’ quoted above would, I suspect, like to see it include all Muslim women. If not all women.
WorkingClassPost says
Any reasonable person would conclude that this idea would be thoroughly rejected in Ireland – a country that is only just escaping from an overtly puritanical form of Catholicism which had a profound and most unhealthy ‘interest’ in the sex lives of it’s people.
But somehow, when islam arrives, reasonable people disappear.
Carol (the 1st) says
Just because Selim’s allowed to run at the mouth doesn’t mean the Irish are on board. Just remember he’s only an “Arabic” lecturer at Trinity, and he’s a leading member of the “Islamic” “Cultural” Centre so this endless blabber all needs to be taken with a HUGE dose of salt (and some kind of anti-nausea medicine).
Paddy says
When Islam comes backed by big money from mosque builders and controllers SaudiQatari terror states and the like.
Shmoovie says
How do he and other doctors determine ‘necessity’? Would that be medical or cultural?
I wonder how many doctors who approve of ‘female circumcision’ (but not FGM, please to explain difference) would find the necessity in EVERY single girl brought to them. What a sick bloody lie this monstrous ‘physician’ is trying to push.
Imagine this ever being suggested for male children– if it had the same devastating life-effects as on girls.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Maybe it’s necessary if ‘daddy’ feels his ‘honor’ depends upon his little girl being tortured?
revereridesagain says
Bingo. Why else would it be done with no anesthetic?
Kay says
Ah yeah, but now they’ll defend the butchery if it’s done with anesthesia and by a doctor.
The cruel practice itself must be stopped— not simply unsanitary conditions for it.
Some are now defending it by calling it circumcision and then arguing against male circumcision.
LeftisruiningCanada says
maybe. that might be a touch too much bida for the muslims liking.
doesn’t do the job if there’s no pain and fear and stuff.
StellaSaidSo says
If a legitimate medical reason for the procedure existed, it would be practised in the West. There is no legitimate medical reason, no ‘necessity’ at all..
elee says
Hey libbers how about a little indignation here?
WorkingClassPost says
Indignation?
They have no shame, either..
Save Europe says
In a decade’s time, both you and I will still be awaiting Liberal Leftards’ outrage.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Imagine.
It might be trendy.
pat mott says
Poor girls, no medical reason for this barbaric custom just done to remove sexual gratification in females so they don’t stray! & make them compliant in every possible way. Where are you feminists? Why are you not marching ,wearing silly hats & holding high banners to help your grievously hurt sisters?
libertyORdeath says
“In Europe people want to be cool so you have to show a revolutionary attitude, it’s an inherited practice.
“If it’s inherited it doesn’t have to be rejected, it has to be considered and not rejected just because it’s inherited,” he said.
Is anybody really buying this bullshit? Is this pseudo science and false intellectualism really convincing people that this practice is not only acceptable but at times medically prudent???
If there is a medical need for FGM then why are there no doctors calling for its legalization? Why are only islamists and hard-line muslims pushing for this barbaric practice to continue in a world where we now know how damaging and unnecessary it really is?
I know it’s also been said millions of times on this site and many others but WHERE ARE THE FEMINISTS, WHERE ARE THOSE THAT CLAIM TO PROTECT CHILDREN FROM UNNECESSARY HARM? WHERE IS THEIR OUTRAGE? WHERE ARE THE PETITIONS AND PROTESTS TO STOP THIS SAVAGERY?
Would the left defend human sacrifice or cannibalism if it was considered a religious practice? Does the USA excuse fundamentalist mormons from prosecution when they take child brides and molest them?
Hell, you can’t even use psychoactive cactus or mushrooms for religious reasons these days but child marriage, paedophilia and FGM are just fine.
Garfield says
+1
Karen says
Great post! And just for the record, re, paragraph 3, I ain’t buying what Selim is peddling. Hopefully very few are.
Rory says
Ali Selim is considered a moderate by far too many people in Ireland, especially in the media. In fact he is the mouthpiece of the Muslim Brotherhood in Ireland. The imam of the islamic Cultural Centre of Ireland probably would be their spokesman, but he doesn’t speak English.
WorkingClassPost says
When Paddy talked about ‘The luck of the Irish’, the English thought we were talking about a good thing.
So who were really the stupid feckin eegits?
gravenimage says
So many of these Muslim “modrates” turn out to be anything but…
utis says
I bet if you told a muslim male he needed to lose the joystick or die of cancer in a week, he would take too long to decide.
utis says
Where is Irish patriotism? They fought the English, they fought over different brands of Christianity, and now they want to bow to a muslim invasion that will make them a bigger s—hole than the Brits ever created to send my ancestors here? Damn! Let Erin remember …
pat mott says
Islam may suit the Irish because they have been the most backward unsophisticated Catholics in Europe allowing those evil Nun running laundries where unmarried mothers suffered for their ‘sins’! & even the unreligious Catholics there suffer terrible guilt complexes for life & to top it all their Pope loves Islam too!
WorkingClassPost says
If you only knew the half of it, you’d probably know twice as much as you think you do..
Wellington says
A “bit” too anti-Irish and anti-Catholic for my taste, pat mott (my-oh-my, it is instructive how several who post here who are Protestants remain so anti-Catholic——how stupid). Besides, all those who cherish freedom should wish the Irish well as we should the Swedes and other Western European peoples well who have (temporarily?) lost their way by indulging followers of the worst religion of all time, followers of a religion in Islam which is a dagger pointed at the heart of liberty, at the heart of Western Civilization. After all, we’re all in this together (even an agnostic like myself) so any Schadenfreude would be amiss, to put it mildly.
WorkingClassPost says
The greatest tragedy, for me, is that although Ireland stood firm and suffered for so many years in the face of truly insurmountable odds, today all that may count for nothing.
gravenimage says
Yes–I want to see Ireland free of Islam, like the rest of the West. And this would be the case even if I were not part Irish myself.
pat mott says
Sorry Wellington but I speak from my experiences with Irish Catholics you must agree being on an island they are remote from continental Catholics & most have been dominated by their priests to their detriment…..so it is likely they will just swallow the next lot of religious rubbish coming their way!
Billy Chickens says
Pat mott and Ibrahim must be twins.
Bill says
I predict that Ireland will allow it. They sold their culture and heritage to the EU. It is only a matter of time before they become like Sweden.
WorkingClassPost says
Ireland’s culture and heritage was under attack long before the EU arrived on the scene.
Bill says
And they defended it with decent, not complete, success. Until now. The EU has them. They will be the next invasion point for Merkel’s minions. And they will be welcomed. I see it all coming.
WorkingClassPost says
Yes, and that would be a terrible irony…To fight for so long to gain freedom then throw it away at the first ‘opportunity’, and to the very worst of people.
Carol (the 1st) says
A 2011 video shows how Pat Condell felt at the time. He condemns what happened to the Irish at the hands of the disgusting EU. It seems to reveal a lot about the nature of our would-be masters:
Come On, Ireland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6M8an_XKL8
Garfield says
Described in a “horrible way”? There IS no other way to describe CUTTING a girls CLITORIS.
You’re either sane or you’re not. One way to check if you are SANE is if you understand that FGM is a disgusting form of ABUSE.
revereridesagain says
WHERE are the #MeToo cheerleaders on this? Where are the ones from the cover of TIME, including that pop music star skank who is always congratulated for being so “nice” and not discussing her politics? Might it put a dent in her precious career to speak out in defense of little girls being mutilated? That’s not “nice”, it’s venal cowardice, and none of these airheads so ready to scream insults at Trump and Western men in general will open their mouths about anything to do with Muslims’ abuse of women. Cowardly careerist hypocrites.
Michael Copeland says
Remind yourselves of your history, O Ireland!
On the longest day of the summer of 1631 the men of Baltimore, a fishing village, went way out to sea for the whole day for the most fishing. When they returned they found the village completely empty – not a soul left. While they had been out muslim jihadis had landed and taken all the women and children into slavery, as their Koran instructs. This was part of the same Barbary pirate slave-raiding which later affected the young USA, with whole crews being taken for ransom, and excessive extortion demands for payment – jizya – to refrain from continuing this piracy.
That is part of Ireland’s experience of Islam, as also the USA’s.
It will be no different in the future: the Koran cannot be changed.
WorkingClassPost says
It was a dark day, right enough.
But just one day among many in a time where islam was the very least of our worries.
Karen says
“It has been described in a horrible way, it’s always described as ‘barbaric’ and we always hear the term mutilation …… or something that belongs in the Dark Ages.”
Yes, these are good descriptions.
“… it is portrayed as a dark skin practice, …”
Nope, I’ve never heard this description even once, so put away your race card, Dr. Ali Selim.
“If it’s inherited it doesn’t have to be rejected, it has to be considered and not rejected just because it’s inherited,” he said.”
Now you’re just talking in circles, Dr. Selim.
“it’s not an obligation but it should be allowed by law if needed ..”
Mohammad himself advocated this practice. Let’s be honest. There is intense pressure among some Islamic groups to perform the procedure on girls, even if it is reduced to a ceremonial ‘clip’. Why? Obviously, an obligation is being fulfilled.
“Dr Selim also claimed there is little that can be done to stop people accessing female circumcision abroad….”
I wouldn’t be too sure about that. The parents can always be arrested upon arrival back into Europe or N. America, especially if the girls tell their friends, or the police, about what was done to them overseas.
Indiana Tom says
Muslim leader says genital mutilation should be “allowed by law if needed”, and it should start with Muslim Leaders.
WorkingClassPost says
Yes, start, and preferably end, with them.
Jay says
He is another product of that great “moderate” Islamic institution Al-Azhar University in Cairo.
gravenimage says
Ireland: Muslim leader says female genital mutilation should be “allowed by law if needed”.
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“If needed”? What, if Muslims have some females they want to keep in line?
More:
Female circumcision “has been described in a horrible way”…
……………………..
Well, that would be because mutilating children is horrible. Notice–as is common–the only issue is that no one should speak of Islam in a critical manner.
More:
Dr Ali Selim called female circumcision “an inherited practice” and said parents should be allowed to have it carried out on their daughter if a doctor says it’s necessary….
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I doubt he would consider any sort of Kuffar allowable because it is “an inherited practice”–but the savagery of Islam makes this laudable.
More:
Dr Selim, who is an Arabic lecturer at Trinity College, said he feels that female circumcision has been harshly portayed.
……………………..
Why is this barbaric thug at Trinity College? What suicidal insanity.
More:
“It has been described in a horrible way, it’s always described as ‘barbaric’ and we always hear the term mutilation, it is portrayed as a dark skin practice, or something that belongs in the Dark Ages.
……………………..
It has nothing to do with “dark skin”–another case of a Muslim pretending that opposition to Islamic barbarism is “racist”.
More:
“In Europe people want to be cool so you have to show a revolutionary attitude, it’s an inherited practice.
“If it’s inherited it doesn’t have to be rejected, it has to be considered and not rejected just because it’s inherited,” he said.
……………………..
Notice that he has no concept that we oppose mutilating children *on a moral basis*. This whole concept is alien to Muslims.
More:
Dr Selim also claimed there is little that can be done to stop people accessing female circumcision abroad….
……………………..
Oh, I don’t know, Prosecution, prison terms, deportation and losing custody of minor children to the Infidel state would certainly help…
LeftisruiningCanada says
Agreed on all points.
There could be a chance that FGM might be the atrocity that breaks the dhimmis back…
Whadya think?
Shmoovie says
Hopefully, if more leftists would deign to learn about it– but even this barbarism has received support amongst a few of the more rabid types.
At least in MN, there have been calls for acceptance of ‘the knick’ from doctors stuck deep in the equal-cultures mud.
Cheer Bear Girl says
This should be a good enough reason to expel Muslims from Ireland. Such a barbaric practice has no place in a civilized nation.
Jay says
Personally I believe this guy should be castrated in the way that was common in the Islamic world. Namely his whole penis and testicles removed.
CRUSADER says
No Shari’ah in Shannon or anywhere else in charmed Eire !
Irish Laws in Irish Courts.
ILIC….
….akin to ALAC (see http://www.ACTforAmerica.org)
Gjallarhornet says
If Ireland wakes up from it’s stupor on this matter, it will surely see clearly that the islamist vision of their country will make Oliver Cromwell look like a mild tempered pacifist with the best intentions. There are people who wish your country grave harm.
Gjallarhornet says
Oh, and by the way, there is a lot of things the state can do when a person comes up with such proposals as he as done.
First, it is not illegal to advocate that something that is illegal should me made legal (no matter how barbaric the suggestion is, so that not the point of entry.
But where has he been? As a muslim leader having this opinion – who has he given advice to? Over the years – has he suggested that the illegal practice be carried out? Has he forced families? Pushed them? How Has he behaved behind the scenes? What has he allocated money to – trips abroad for followers with illicit intentions in mind?
My tip – if the Irish state would look into it, I would bet they would find more than an enough for several convictions.
But alas, Ireland suffers from the same problem as all of Western Europe: Lack of will.
Karen says
I have many of the same questions. Out of one side of his mouth he provides cover for Mohammad, claiming no religious obligation exists; clever since FGM Is impossible to defend. So he tries to invent a medical civil rights defense, where no medical basis exists. So, I would assume he is merely an Islamist upholding his prophet’s demands and prestige. Other Muslim doctors are involved in the propagation of FGM behind the scenes; so it’s not impossible Selim has other motives. There are far more pressing medical issues than the imaginary one he “advocates” for.
Gjallarhornet says
Thank you for this good respone.
My point was also that with the law, and inside the limitis of it, there is a LOT a country can do.
Having seen the comments on this side for a couple of days now, they range from a series of call to direct action – this is all unarticulate, without focus, would lead to nowhere, besides being illegal – to the destitute: all hope is lost in front of advancing islam.
In fact it is not. The only reason there seems to be no hope is that we do not believe there is a hope.
If 90% of the public where commited to combating islam, and do so within the limits of the law, we could win, easily. The law gives us all the tools, and if it were found to be lacking, we could make new laws, easily.
The way I see it, the problem is not that we lack the tools. The problem is that people are parlayzsed and there is no will no do anything. We could chant a Leonard Cohen-verse: “the poison sank and it paralyzed my will”. That’s us!
Karen says
In fact, I agree that FGM is one area where Western thought can prevail. There are trials in the works to force the issue so we shall soon see. FGM is indefensible and common sense may soon prevail. I believe attitudes about the glamorization of the hijab are also changing for the better. Two bright spots in an otherwise dismal mass of disinformation.
Charles T Lawson says
If muslims believe in jesvs ,then TAKE HEED TO THESE WORDS ,GALATIANS 6,12 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.
14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Eur says
They don’t belive in Jesus, they belive in the Islamic version of Isa,is quite different. While they came to a no muslim country they say they they belive in Jesus but what they don’t say is that their Jesus will return to destroy the cross (Christianity).
All the Abrahamic religions are based on fear but Islam is also based on hatred. Not all Muslims practice that hatred … but Islamic theology is like that, Islam emerged to dominate all the tribes of the Arab region where there were other Abrahamic religions that directly competed with the new Mohammedan sect. It is not by chance that Islamic theology talks about killing Jews and ending Christianity. Islam has always been and still is a religion of conquest. The Christian Jesus does not fit in Islam.
FYI says
Abu Selim:what a revolting creature with his wicked god allah and his demonic cult of islam.
But then we know where muslims get their example from:from their demonic, filthy,Commandment-violating “prophet” mohammed who was..
A mass murderer Abu Dawud 4390
A Slave trader sahih muslim 1390
A pederast little Aisha!
And an avowed terrorist…
“I am made victorious through terror”
bukhari 4:52:220
Abu Selim is a typical taqqiya-merchant and promoter of the savagery of the Godless cult of islam
The lying tricks muslims use{…or as God might call it “bearing false witness”,a concept,like all of God’s Commandments, completely lost on muslims}
taqqiya…intentional lying to promote islam
kitman…lying by omission*
tawriya…intentionally creating a false impression
{pretending to be a Jew or a Christian or an Atheist:anything to promote islam}
muruna…blending-in
{like pretending to be friendly with Jews and Christians to promote islam
but remember alah’s command
“Take not the Jews and Christians for friends”
koran 5 v 51
*A muslim will say regarding the murder of someone innocent.”that it shall be as if he had killed all mankind” k5:32
but they will NEVER tell you the next line k5;33 which calls for the murder or crucifixion of those in opposition to allah
LR says
Simple…RUN HIM OUT OF TOWN!..The electorate needs to make him wish he had never uttered this barbaric idiocy.
At least one Imam is speaking up against him.
******
Hey, this is a pretty good T-Shirt. The guy interviewing this dipsh*t should have been wearing one while interviewing him.
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penelope says
Ireland is a beautiful country, I hate to see it ruined by the likes of this ignorant ali selim fellow and his cohorts in islam bullshit. I would encourage Ireland to rid themselves of anything related to islam. islam is DARK and will never see the light. sharia is delusional and hate-filled. sharia asks you to cut off female parts so women can be controlled and produce like rabbits; soon you will be outnumbered. Your country is too great to allow this to happen to you. Get tough and take back your country.
Barbara Ethel says
The Muslim Brotherhood may have overreached this time.
Norger says
“If it’s[FGM] inherited it doesn’t have to be rejected, it has to be considered and not rejected just because it’s inherited,” he said.
FGM is criminalized (not just “rejected”) not because it’s “inherited,”it’s rejected because it’s a cruel, barbaric, backwards Islamic practice.
Padraig from Connemara says
FGM is very Islamic. Every form of FGM should be banned everywhere. To falsely distinguish between FGM and female circumcision is both wrong and dangerous. FGM (i. e. FGM Type I, II, III, IV) should be eradicated across the world as soon as possible. There is also no difference between FGM and so-called FGC, female cutting / female cutting/ circumcision. FGM is FGM is FGM. Just STOP it.
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FGM and Islam
Shia view
Shiite religious texts, such as the hadith transmitted by Al-Sadiq, state that „circumcision is makruma for women“ (noble but not required). FGM is performed within the Dawoodi Bohra community in India, Pakistan, Yemen and East Africa. In 2017 two doctors (Dr. Jumana Nagarwala and Dr. Fakhruddin Attar) and a third woman connected to the Dawoodi Bohra in Detroit, Michigan, were arrested on charges of conducting FGM on two seven-year-old girls in United States.
Sunni view
Different schools of Islamic jurisprudence have expressed different views on FGM. The Maliki school of Islamic jurisprudence views it as makruma (noble but not required). The Hanbali school sees it as sunna (good practice), some Clerics see it as obligatory (wajib). For the Hanafi school it is preferred, and for the Shafi’i school FGM is obligatory (wajib).
Hadith. Muhammad said to the muqaṭṭiʿa al-buẓūr (cutter of clitorises) Umm ʿAṭiyya:
أشمِّي ولا تنهكي
ašimmī wa-lā tanhakī
[Cut] slightly and do not overdo it
اختفضن ولا تنهكن
iḫtafiḍna wa-lā tanhikna
Cut [slightly] without exaggeration
martin says
Just the typical lying whore of satan… muslim
Lloyd Miller says
I agree FGM should be outlawed, for accuracy, shouldn’t we admit that it would be possible to cut-off the hood of the clitoris without damaging the clitoris like foreskin can be removed without damaging the penis in circumcision. I have no idea if this is practiced anywhere.
Just A Concerned Citizen says
“…like foreskin can be removed without damaging the penis…”
And how, pray tell, is that accomplished? Is the prepuce not actually part of both male and female genitalia?
The cognitive dissonance on this topic is astounding.