Wait a minute. Isn’t Malaysia supposed to be “moderate”? And isn’t Irshad Manji a leading “moderate” Muslim writer?
Irshad Manji has not been much heard from in recent years, but about ten or twelve years ago she was the Moderate Muslim Du Jour (a position since occupied by luminaries including Zuhdi Jasser and Maajid Nawaz), a hip young spiky-haired smiling lesbian Muslim who opposed the terrorists who hijacked her peaceful religion, showed that Islam wasn’t all bin Laden and Mohamed Atta and the scowling Khomeini, attacked “Islamophobes” like Spencer to prove her Islamic bona fides, and gave the world the message that it was cool to be Muslim, and that Islam properly understood was the coolest thing of all.
And so she wrote a book that has landed its Malaysian publisher in hot water. Why? “Among the content suspected of being dubious is regarding the word ‘Allah’ that the writer claims refers to an Arabic word for God where the writer meant that God is love and liberty to be shared by everyone.”
Allah is a God who is love and liberty to be shared by everyone? Can’t have that! Blasphemy! Jail this man!
Why don’t we see more genuine Islamic reform? This story illustrates one reason why.
“Ezra Zaid’s firm raided over ‘confusing’ book content, Shariah court told,” by Ida Lim, Malay Mail Online, February 22, 2018 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
PETALING JAYA, Feb 22 — Selangor religious enforcers had raided Mohd Ezra Mohd Zaid’s publishing company ZI Publications Sdn Bhd for publishing a book with “confusing” content that allegedly went against Islamic teachings, the Shariah court was told today.
Sulastri Ishak, who worked as a Selangor Islamic Religious Department (Jais) officer from 2009 to late 2012, said she had received in May 2012 a book censorship report from an Islamic Development Department Malaysia (Jakim) officer who commented on the book’s background and its “confusing” content.
“The report is related to the content of the book written by Irshad Manji that has elements contrary to Islamic faith and laws,” she told the Shariah court here, having also described the book as having dubious elements.
Sulastri, who was then assistant director of the implementation and policy unit in Jais’ research and development division, said she had then lodged a complaint with the Jais enforcement division after reading the censorship report and determining ZI Publications to be the publisher.
When asked by Selangor Sharie prosecutor Sofian Ahmad if she had referred to any other materials before making the complaint, Sulastri replied: “I did not base it on anything, I just read from the book censorship report….
Ezra is facing a charge under Section 16(1)(a) of the Syariah Criminal Offences (Selangor) Enactment 1995 as the director and main shareholder of ZI Publications for allegedly publishing a book written by Irshad Manji and titled Allah, Kebebasan dan Cinta with contents purportedly contrary to Islamic law in terms of faith.
The offence which Ezra is charged with is punishable by a maximum RM3,000 fine or two-year jail or both.
Sulastri said she was an observer in Jais’ May 29, 2012 raid of ZI Publications and seizure of 180 copies of the book, where she testified to have read a copy of the book’s content that was “suspected of being dubious”.
“Among the content suspected of being dubious is regarding the word ‘Allah’ that the writer claims refers to an Arabic word for God where the writer meant that God is love and liberty to be shared by everyone,” she said, adding that the book’s contents matched the Jakim report….
mortimer says
Even though IRSHAD MANJI & publisher EZRA ZAID claim that “ALLAH is love and liberty to be shared by everyone”… WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE?? Let us examine the frequency of such concepts as LOVE and HATE in the KORAN for an OBJECTIVE ANSWER:
There are over 300 references in the Koran to Allah and FEAR, but there are only 49 references to love. Of these love references, 39 are negative such as the 14 negative references to love of money, power, other gods and status.
Three verses command humanity to love Allah and only 2 verses are about how Allah loves a believer. There are 25 verses about how Allah does NOT love kafirs (disbelievers).
This leaves 5 verses about love. Of these 5 verses, 3 are about loving kin or a Muslim brother. One verse commands a Muslim to give money for the love of Allah. This leaves only one quasi-universal verse about love: give what you love to zakat-charity and even this is contaminated by dualism since Muslim zakat-charity only goes to other Muslims. There are over 400 teachings of hate of all disbelievers: Jews, Christians, Idolaters and Kafirs.
So much for love. HATE and FEAR are what Allah demands in the Koran.
StellaSaidSo says
+1
Voytek Gagalka says
Of course. How “allah” (misrepresented as “God”) be “love and liberty for everyone” if the most Islamic source (the Qur’an) there are 99 direct references to Hell and 208 direct references to “Hell’s fire” awaiting all unbelievers (or those deem to be not-sufficiently believing) and absolutely none of any “love” or “liberty shared by everyone.”
Carol (the 1st) says
Doesn’t Manji still think it’s “raisins” and not ghostly virgins that were said to await up in heaven? Or has she dropped that particular sugar-coated flight of fancy?
mortimer says
Voytek, Allah does NOT love disbelievers (25 times in Koran). However, Allah LOVES JIHADISTS when they fight as a compact, unified fighting force that subjugates the DIRTY KAFIRS.
Allah hates Muslims who are ‘hypocrites’ … that is they are Muslim-in-name-only… MINOs. MINOs may be killed by genuine Muslims.
mortimer says
The concept of a loving god is not found in Islamic theology. he concept of love requires at least two entities to make sense: a lover and someone or something else on whom that love is bestowed. You have to love someone; you have to love some thing. Love cannot exist in absolute, singular isolation. Thus Allah, as an absolute singular entity was unable to ever develop the attribute of love in eternity past. Allah cannot be said to possess the attribute of love.
Al-Ghazali put it this way: “Love is to sense a need of the beloved and since Allah cannot be said to have a need or an experience of need, it is therefore impossible that Allah should love.” Al-Ghazali recognized that for love to make sense, another entity needed to be involved. And since Allah cannot be said to have a need of anyone or anything else to define himself, it is impossible for Allah to be said to be loving, since that requires somebody else.
This presents a problem for Muslims, because they recognize their ability to love others. But if Allah does not possess the attribute of love and never could have in eternity past, is it logically possible Allah could have given mankind something Allah himself did not possess when he created man? Muslims claim the ability to love, but they can’t claim it comes from Allah. They have the wrong God. So where does love come from?
Muslim are claiming an attribute they have no right to lay claim to, since they obviously can’t get LOVE from Allah unless they are conducting jihad against the dirty disbelievers.
Allah loves Muslims when they are removing the human rights and civil liberties of women and ‘others’.
CRUSADER says
Perhaps their version of what Love is comes from Shaytan?
Carol (the 1st) says
Some of these entrapped mothers likely don’t LOVE the products of unions that were more or less inflicted upon them as their “reason for being”.
A baby that comprehends fundamental rejection and disrespect can reach inward for resources and it is said that from such ground springs hardcore NARCISSISM and the fall from grace.
mike9a says
Religion of peace is un-islamic
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
“God so the world that he sent only begotten son “in John is a stupidity. how can thé beggoten killed be God himself ?Hé did beget the son ? it means part of mithraist God sent was kiłled ?
Wellington says
Just love your sophisticated understanding, Ibrahim, of the Christian Trinity. But then, historically and theologically speaking, Islam, beginning with Mohammed, has never even remotely comprehended the subtleties involved with Christian theology (indeed, Islam can’t even get the facts correct about those entities who constitute the Christian Trinity, averring as it does that the Christian Trinity is the Father, Mary and Jesus).
Well, no surprise. Islam’s just all about power, submission and the faux mercy of a being that does not exist, one Allah by name. Oh yeah, almost forgot, there is no love in Islam. I mean true love. Just as there is no freedom in Islam. I mean true freedom.
mortimer says
Dhu Shara (an Arabian Dionysus or MITHRA) was worshipped at the Kaaba and was also known as Qos, the Arabian god of WAR. His bride and incestuous daughters were the Triple Arabian Goddes of Allat, Uzza and Manat. Al-Uzza’s symbol is the STAR of VENUS.
It can be seen that ALLAH is a conflation of the Arabian deities combining the qualities of several pagan deities…especially WAR, SEX and FATALISM.
ALLAH has much in common with MITHRA- DIONYSUS-QOS-DHU SHARA.
Here is the BIG DILEMMA for Ibrahim: THE KORAN ENDORSES THE NEW TESTAMENT and claims it is the eternal words of Allah. 1) the Koran clearly endorses the NT, but contradicts the CONTENTS of the NT … ERGO, Islam is false. 2) if the NT is not authoritative for Muslims and preserved by Allah, then Islam is false, because Allah failed to keep his word…ERGO, Islam is false. Either way… Islam is false.
mortimer says
IBRAHIM … the DILEMMA … for you … either way … Islam is FALSE:
The Islamic Dilemma regarding the Quran and Bible explained by David Wood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2_0Z62-GO8
Wellington says
A fine “gotcha” comment by you, mortimer. My compliments.
But then, we really can’t expect much from Muzzies where clear-headed thinking is concerned, now can we? My favorite example of all respecting Muslim muddleheadedness is the entire abrogation nonsense, i.e., Allah says this at one time and yet later Allah says the exact opposite. Talk about making up things as you go along, but then that is EXACTLY what Mo did (or those who pretended Mo actually existed at all) and it is so obvious that this is the case.
Thus, show me a Muslim and I will show you an example of that sucker who is born every minute and irrespective of whether P.T. Barnum actually said this. In any case, I’m saying it now.
A final comment: Perhaps the most efficacious route to ultimately assigning Islam to the trash heap of history is not so much to fight it (though this is still necessary often times) but rather to laugh it out of existence. After all, Islam is so “deserving” here.
eduardo odraude says
mortimer, I love that David Wood video about the Islamic Dilemma. Roughly it goes like this:
1. The Qur’an says the Bible is true;
2. The Bible disagrees profoundly with the Qur’an;
3. Therefore,
a) if the Bible is false, Islam has to be false, because the Qur’an says the Bible is true.
b) if the Bible is true, Islam has to be false, because the Bible profoundly disagrees with the Qur’an.
The necessary conclusion: whether the Bible is true or false, Islam, based on the Qur’an’s own claims about the Bible, logically has to be false.
Folks, it’s definitely worth going through Wood’s video posted by Mortimer above and pausing the video whenever you need time to digest what Wood says.
CRUSADER says
Makes a lot of sense. Mudmammam had to sell his “r-EGO-ligion” to as many potential followers (sycophants) as he could before he died, in order to feel he accomplished something worthy of his megalomaniacal ego. Makes a lot of sense he would conflate these gods into one that could amalgamate the tribes into one megalith that could be used then to conquer the distant lands, which he termed Dar al-Harb.
Mudmammam did all of this “just be-Qos”….
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
mortimer, you are suffering from mental delusion due to Satan’s(holy spirit) possession. pr-Islam pagan Arabs deviated from monotheism taught by their ancestors Abraham and Ismael by worshiping idols.Allah sent prophet muhammad to restore monotheism and cleanse the filths of paganism like that of mithraist christians.
Carol (the 1st) says
Trivia: The star and the moon of Islam:
http://www.scientiapress.com/venus-the-ancient-near-east-and-islam
also an interesting song:
Ecnephias – Ishtar (Al-‘Uzza)
Lyrics:
‘And now I”m falling on my way, I look back and down.
The sun of summer now is gone, with its warm breeze I die’
Sacrifice is starting, the prophecy unfolds
Lost into your memories, you”re victim of the fate
Rise above the ruins, you want to cry alone
Armageddon warrior, waiting for the end
Oh Motherless Children who walk across the river
For you all I pray Ishtar (Isis), dying for salvation
Oh Motherless Children who crawl across the mud
For you all I pray Al -‘Uzza (Inanna), dying for salvation you”ll rise
In the claws of time you become thy enemy
Nothing now can scare you, let your fire walk
Day after day you live with your obsessions
Night after night you hold your vocation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oL7aGk0QtQ
Jayell says
Hello Wellington. I’m afraid I was so rude as to accuse Mr Muhammed recently of having zero intellectual capabilities. Perhaps he read my post and is trying to convince us all otherwise. Probably not. I asked him how an ancient Persian God (Mithras) had anything to do with Christianity, apart from the fact that this god was worshipped somewhere in the Roman Empire around the time that Christianity was getting off the ground, but no explanation was forthcoming, and he just seems to trot out the same old weird misconception yet again without any comment. Very strange. Attempting to explain the concept of the Trinity as possibly a three-faceted single Deity-figure reflecting the tripartite human psyche as a mechanism for attempting to relate to an eternal creative being in real terms, would probably not succeed with a person who apparently happily subscribes to an intellectually incoherent plagiarised ‘faith’ rooted in the morally dubious politics of dark-age desert gangland.
eduardo odraude says
Jayell, nice comment. For myself, I might alter one point: the three-faceted deity perhaps does not reflect the tripartite human psyche, but the other way around — the tripartite human psyche — and for that matter the tripartite human body — reflects the three-faceted diety. We are the image of God. God is not the image of us. Our opinions of God may be only an image of ourselves. But God, whatever God might be, cannot be merely the image of ourselves.
eduardo odraude says
Well, I’ll add this: if God does not exist, then “God” I suppose would be only an image of ourselves. But assuming for the moment that God does exist, then God cannot be only an image of ourselves.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Ibrahim, even you muslims don’t believe that physical death means the end of existence, right?
Paul says
@Iblis Inspired Mohammedan,
Here we are once again with more crap from you. No matter how much you
attack the Bible, no matter how right or wrong you may be (you’re never
right), no matter how much you deflect, the fact remains that
you love and worship and emulate a ‘man’ who married a 6 year old and raped
her at the age of 9, somebody who mass murdered people (like the 600
Jews who had surrendered to him) and who spoke satan’s words. Salman
Rushdie wasn’t wrong, which is why your fellow paedophile worshippers
went on the rampage, because the truth about your satanic cult reached a
Western audience.
You are a vile psychopathic sexual deviant like him, which is why you adore
him so much. Your word isn’t worth shit. I don’t know what you are living for.
Billy Chickens says
Islam has a trinity – Allah, Satan and Gabriel. All three are one and the same – Lucifer, and Muhammad is Lucifer’s prophet.
Carol (the 1st) says
Aren’t you afraid you’ll give Ibby a heart attack?
MFritz says
Ah, fake-ibrahim NOT from Nigeria. Soros paid again?
LeftisruiningCanada says
For what purpose would Ibrahim be paid to post here?
Making us all dislike islam even more seems to be his main ability…does ‘soros’ want that?
Terry Gain says
I recently saw a clip of Manji being interviewed about 10-15 years ago where she told her willingly gullible interviewer that the heavenly reward for jihadists was not virgins but raisins. Yes, doe eyed raisins with swelling breasts. Enough to give any man a perpetual erection. She was quite critical of Islam immediately after 9/11. wonder how many petrodollars it took to flip her.
DHazard says
As far as I know Islam is the only religion where it’s followers can NEVER have a personal relationship with their Creator. All they can do is try and please Him enough so they don’t go to Hell. But even then Allah is free to choose, seemingly by whim, whether to reward of punish his believing “slaves”. These slaves are NOT his children. He is NOT their father.
He is their judgemental MASTER. And to make matters worse, he changes his mind on what’s right and what’s wrong. He did it several times during Muhammad’s life.
Of course these traits of Allah were fabricated by Muhammad. It’s mind control, the dangling of Paradise in front of his followers, while at the same time holding a sword over their heads. So Muslims are actually slaves of Muhammad, not God. In this state of uncertainty, Muhammad’s twisted mind created a path which he declared to be the ONLY sure way to Paradise. It’s called Jihad. And of course, when you are creating a cult, you must have enemies who are out to get you. That would be EVERYBODY who isn’t a Muslim. Then all you need is a reason for jihad; blasphemy. Blasphemy is a weapon and it may be used against pretty much anybody a Muslim doesn’t like, even other Muslims.
So, in the mind of a true Muslim, killing anyone who does or says or suggests anything that contradicts Muhammad’s manufactured rules as well as his “example”, will earn you a gold star. If you die in the process your sins are erased and you go straight to the head of the class. You can even earn bonus points depending on the religion or ethnicity of your victims. You earn exactly ZERO points for compassion, wisdom, productivity or considering a non-Muslim to be a fellow human being.
eduardo odraude says
DHazard,
I agree with most of your post, and I think Islam is fundamentally an expansionist, violent, totalitarian social system that should be contained as the Soviet Union was, but I think your last sentence may go a little too far when you say “ZERO points.” The main core of Islam as a doctrine is indeed totalitarian and in that sense and others is evil, but to say there is in Islamic doctrine “zero” support for compassion, wisdom, productivity, or even for considering a non-Muslim as a fellow human being is not entirely correct I think. I don’t know exactly what the low number is, but zero is too low. In the main, yes, you are right, but we should not exaggerate and there are benefits to not exaggerating. Overstatement is not necessary and probably not helpful if one is trying to gain allies to resist Islam. If anything, understatement probably will win more supporters to our cause, and even if we slightly understate the horrors of Islam, in order to be sure people who check us will find us objective, still, the horrors of Islamic doctrine are bad enough that they come through even if we err on the side of understatement rather than overstatement.
eduardo odraude says
DHazard, my above comment to you is perhaps really more directed to myself, as a reminder of how I should best proceed.
Carol (the 1st) says
eduardo… my guess is that Islam has been prettied up a bit by later men who pragmatically couldn’t bring themselves to be quite so transparently gross and inhumane (to muslims at least). No medals need be pinned on Islam -that’s misguided sentimentality that lends perfume to an incorrigible pig.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Dhazard, your ignorant assumptions on Islam Will not change the équation that Islam is the restoration of monotheism taught by previous prophets like Abraham,moses and jesus. you are sticking to paganism of mithraism inspired by the Satan you Call holy spirit.
Carol (the 1st) says
The old “stick and carrot” routine and its pressure
Results in a super strong “bond with the aggressor”.
Example: Ma Barker and the gang.
eduardo odraude says
Irshad Manji may be due credit for some things, but she was also the total incompetent who retailed the claim that the 72 virgins of the Qur’an had been mistranslated. The Qur’an, don’t ya know, refers to raisins, not virgins. David Wood used the core Islamic texts to show how absolutely f’ing stupid Irshad’s claim was, enough so that one probably should never take anything she says as reliable:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0-QnotpR78
Terry Gain says
Manji is not stupid. She is a deceiver. She knows better than the bs she offered up.
CRUSADER says
Could it be more commercially mercenary than that?
She found a financial base and a fawning social set she can expand upon.
Hey, we all gotta make a living, and not everybody can be another Ayaan Hirsi Ali,
Noni Darwish, Asra Nomani, Masih Alinejad, ….etc….
She fits the mold for a young immigrant, lesbian, liberal author who has gumption.
There’s a niche for that on bookshelves and in lecture halls.
Carol (the 1st) says
Yes, Irshad and CNN ‘s Fareed Zakaria got quite a superior chuckle out of our Islamophobic “rush to judgment” re lustfulness motivating dimwit, adolescent, sex-starved suicide bombers.
Carol (the 1st) says
…you know, the ones with metal plates fastened over their groins.
tim gallagher says
Because I believe Islam is rotten to the core, I don’t bother with any of these people who are out to reform Islam, such as Manji. I have the time of day only for the ex-Muslims such as Nonie Darwish, Wafa Sultan, Ibn Warraq ( the title of his book “Why I am not a Muslim” says it all. People have to pack up and leave Islam because there is nothing good about it and it needs to be deserted and become extinct, it can’t be reformed in only minor little ways), Ali Sina, et al. To me, this idea of reforming, fiddling at the edges and that sort of thing, is like saying let’s reform Nazism. Now, which parts of the vile ideology will we discard when reforming the rotten creed, which stomps on every human right, and especially on the right of non-Muslims to live a peaceful life without having MUslims try to kill and oppress them. This idea of a moderate Muslim isn’t enough for me, unless the person can’t leave Islam because they’d be killed for apostasy. I believe that only people who leave Islam, realising how barbaric it is, are worthy of respect. I vaguely remember reading a bit of one of Manji’s books years ago and thinking she had a chip on her shoulder and didn’t like the western world. I’m not sure if my impression was accurate or not.
StellaSaidSo says
I agree, timgallagher – Islam, being rotten to the core, is not worth the attempt at ‘reformation’. Remove all the violence, hatred, misogyny, and sheer stupidity from the Koran, and we’re left with a book the size of an instruction manual for a toaster. There may be some ‘reformers’ who are sincere in their efforts, but for the most part, they are deceivers – either of themselves, or of us foolish kuffar. Manji strikes me as a particularly desperate case. Once one becomes aware of the hideous truth about Islam, rejection of the whole package is the only sensible course. The greatest admiration is due to those who have the courage to be apostates.
tim gallagher says
Thanks for the comments, Cortez, Eduardo and StellaSaidSo. I’ve often thought exactly what you say, StellaSaidSo, about how if you took away all the vile calls for hate and violence, etc, from Islam there’d be nothing left at all. And it also seems to me that even if some Muslims do reform some of the foulest bits of Islam, and thus improve it a little, it would still be revolting compared to the other, more decent religious ideologies of the world. It would be like reforming a few aspects of Nazism. It would still remain revolting and evil, just not quite as bad. Good comment, Cortez, about the nature of Islam’s “reformers”. I don’t believe them. And, as StellaSaidSo, writes, they are deceiving themselves. They should pack up and leave the whole barbaric ideology. That is what Islam deserves. What a far better world it would be if that happened.
CRUSADER says
Irshad Manji warns that something has to animate 1.6 billion Muslims, and if the Western mind continues to piss them off, they aren’t going to be helping things out, if anything they are going to be turning against, and so the message needs to be more welcoming and understanding and moderating…..etc…
StellaSaidSo says
Yes, timgallagher, the ‘reformers’ are either deceiving themselves, or deliberately deceiving us. I think Raheel Raza is sincere, and Tarek Fateh, and maybe Zuhdi Jasser – but sooner or later they must surely come to the conclusion that, if some of it is a crock, chances are that all of it is a crock. The journey towards apostasy takes hours in some cases, and years in others. Maybe the money and fame that attach to being a prominent ‘reformer’ delays the final step? Or maybe being a prominent ‘reformer’ is perfect cover for conducting stealth jihad? Either way, Irshad Manji and Maajid Nawaz have both found a comfortable niche.
tim gallagher says
CRUSADER, I guess I can see where some of the Muslim reformers, who really do have a more peaceful, mellow attitude towards non-Muslims, are coming from when they ask us to have a nicer attitude towards Islam, but, for me and many others, it just ain’t gonna happen. When you know the hate and the calls for Muslims to kill us in the Koran, when you see the terrorist actions committed against us by Muslims, when you see Muslims always calling for us to bend to barbaric Muslim ways and allow aspects of their primitive way of life to be allowed in our societies, I know I just loathe Islam and say to hell with it. So, they’ll never get any respect or welcome from me. My answer is to just keep Muslims out of our countries because they are always so much trouble and we need to be protected from them. StellaSaidSo, you may be right, some of these reformers might just like their niche in the media, their time in the spotlight. To me,if they stay in Islam they’re on the wrong track. They may be trying to change Islam for the better, but they are defending the indefensible – Islam.
CRUSADER says
It would be interesting if the vile were to be extracted (somewhat how Ayaan Hirsi Ali calls for the Mecca Quran but not the Medina verses attached — which abrogate previous)….
but even the Mecca verses have ill intent, beyond just “defending the faith”.
The Quran reads like a tribal attempt to match the empires of the region, and to forge a system to gain wider acclaim for Arabs and grab at the booty as other “barbarian” hordes had done previously against Rome/Byzantium/Persia…
As for these Reformers who haven’t switched out their Faith, perhaps the only two left who are of qualified *moderate* consequence are Tarik Fatah and Raheel Raza.
Unless one counts some others on the rise from Iran.
And, as for Irshad Manji? She is a bit of a firecracker to know if she is peaceful enough to side with the *moderates* enough to really fight in that foxhole. She says she is courageous, but who knows how much Oprah she has in her…maybe having celebrity appeals to her?
Could her situation be more commercially mercenary then?
She found a financial base and a fawning social set she can expand upon.
Hey, we all gotta make a living, and not everybody can be another Ayaan Hirsi Ali,
Noni Darwish, Asra Nomani, Masih Alinejad, ….etc….
She fits the mold for a youth-inspiring immigrant, lesbian, liberal author who has gumption and a jazzy knack for verbiage.
There’s a niche for that on bookshelves and in lecture halls.
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Tim Gallagher, I like how you said: “….they are defending the indefensible – Islam.”
That’s how I’ve felt even about so called moderate Muslims.
I get that it could be cultural for them. And also a pain to undertake from family, if they were to switch. But with the World so Flat these days, they can learn about other Faiths more easily now, and find something that isn’t so full of conflict and mayhem.
It seems that Islam may be a fit for the Left, temporarily, but in the longer run it is destructive to the Left.
Where it fits elsewhere? Perhaps among very conservative folk. But at some point it comes to a head about which God is what.
Islam needs to take the ebb tide and diminish and fade away.
So, Islam needs to yield and surrender — to OTHER FAITHS!
CRUSADER says
Raheel Raza’s pdf from her website on “Their Jihad …not my jihad”
http://www.raheelraza.com/pdf/RaheelRaza.pdf
tim gallagher says
I’ve felt that defending Islam is defending the indefensible for quite a while, CRUSADER. It’s full of so much barbarous, primitive garbage. At any rate, and probably the main thing to me as a non-MUslim, the Koran is so full of calls for violence against non-Muslims, that Islam is a clear and present danger to us all. So it has to be kept out for our protection. I hope, as you say, that Islam is taking the ebb tide and ends up extinct. It seems to me to be some primitive left over from past ages and fit only for knuckle dragging Neanderthals. The rest of the world has moved on to a more civilised set of values. These moderates, who dress up and present in an urbane manner, are still defending barbaric garbage in all aspects of human life..
Carol (the 1st) says
Matthew 7:24-27
Everyone who hears these words of mine, and doesn’t do them will be like a foolish man, who built his house on the sand. The rain came down, the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat on that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.
FYI says
So in essence,the two chief commandments of God which are the basis of Judaism,Christianity and the Biblical God are “unislamic”.
Love of God and love of Neighbor.
They are so important that they are defined by Jesus Christ in Matthew 22 v 40as:-
“The whole law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets depend on these 2 Commandments”
The entire contents of the Bible can be reduced to these laws of God.
And yet allah.the koran and islam COMPLETELY MISSED THAT.
Muslims who find the Truth about God via the 2 Chief commandments are on the right track…
The problem with allah’s koran is that we see in k 5:51 the rejection of God’s 2nd commandment..
“Oh ye who believe!Take not the Jews and Christians as friends”
But why can’t muslims be friends with Christians and Jews?
Because the islamic allah says so.
But the Biblical GOD says we can be…via the 2nd commandment.
Billy Chickens says
Islam has a trinity – Allah, Satan and Gabriel. All three are one and the same – Lucifer, and Muhammad is Lucifer’s prophet.
Lydia Church says
Only the real Gabriel had nothing to do with the false religion of islam!
Billy Chickens says
Right. It wasn’t the real St Gabriel who appeared to Muhammad. It was Lucifer disguising himself as St Gabriel.
CRUSADER says
The best Gabriel at the moment is Brigitte Gabriel, who lived through Muslim domination and has been warning Americans about its encroachment.
Lydia Church says
And that God is love is un-islamic.
Because their ‘god,’ allah, is not love.
allah is hate!
But the real God is love!
The Bible says that God is love.
“Beloved, let us love one another, because love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God’s love was revealed among us: God sent His one and only Son into the world, so that we might live through Him.
And we have come to know and believe the love that God has for us. God is love…”
1 John 4 selected verses.
Lydia Church says
Love is of God,
but hate is from the devil.
Billy Chickens says
Right again. Allah is Lucifer.
LeftisruiningCanada says
God hates too Lydia, it’s just righteous to hate evil things.
https://www.gotquestions.org/does-God-hate.html
The devil hates good things, because his nature is twisted and evil.
sidney penny says
“Wait a minute. Isn’t Malaysia supposed to be “moderate”? ”
Robert, you keep getting it wrong.
Malaysia is MMM
Modern, Moderate, Malaysia
sidney penny says
Moderate Muslim Du Jour (Zuhdi Jasser and Maajid Nawaz)
Are you missing out on Tarek Fatah?
CRUSADER says
Ah, the wonderful Tarek Fatah, from Irshad Manji’s land of Canada….
MFritz says
Well, what do you expect? There is no love in islam and Malaysia is a muslim country going full shithole.
StellaSaidSo says
Yep. The Saudis are in the driver’s seat.
CRUSADER says
Manji is big on the notion of Ijtihad, and that Islam has inherent the notion of this self-speculation and warranted self-discovery through self-investigation, and learning from others, etc, etc….
Manji is working on a new book it seems, perhaps it will be published in 2018.
Interesting she hadn’t written a book since the meteoric rise of ISIL, however.
Things that Manji wrote in her recent book (from 2011) “Allah, Liberty and LOVE” may have “evolved” from her earlier book (from 2003) “The Trouble with Islam” then retitled (in 2005) as “The Trouble with Islam TODAY”:
But this is a bit of what she wrote in “TWIT”:
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> “The West owes Islam a debt of gratitude for preserving and expanding knowledge.”
> “(Muslims in the West) already enjoy the precious freedoms to think, express, challenge, and be challenged — all without fear of state reprisal”
>”…if Muslims in the West dare to ask questions about our holy book, and if we care enough to denounce human rights violations being committed under the banner of that book, we need not worry about being raped, flogged, …executed by the state for doing so. With in God’s name are Muslims in the West doing with our freedoms?”
Irshad Manji makes it clear that there are “things about Islam I wish were not true….”
— comment by Dr Khaleel Mohammed, SDSU.
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She should have entitled the book: “The PROBLEM with ISLAM” and left it at that.