No surprise here. “War is deceit,” said Muhammad. Ramadan was denied bail, so his lawyers attempted a subterfuge of ill-health to get him sprung. If he is released eventually on whatever pretext, he will likely leave France and get himself beyond the reach of the law.
“Medical report shows Tariq Ramadan’s health compatible with his continued detention,” Al Arabiya, February 20, 2018:
Muslim academic and rape-accused Tariq Ramadan will remain in custody following the emergence of new details related to the charges against him, according to Agence France-Presse.
A medical report ordered by the court on Monday to examine his appeal against his detention found that Ramadan’s state of health was compatible with his continued detention…
His lawyers have claimed that Ramadan was suffering from multiple sclerosis and had requested his release under bail.
RichardL says
when I read the name Ramadan, I nowadays always have a smile on my face. Only good news. Maybe he goes down for rape. It would be a miracle.
simpleton1 says
Reminds me of the Lockerbie passenger aircraft bomber after government to government promises made that he “would serve his full sentence in Scotland”.
Yep on compassionate grounds for the killer, not that over 250 innocent people killed and the surviving families were really considered.
Phil Copson says
“….Megrahi had only 3 months to live due to terminal prostate cancer. In fact, Megrahi died on 20 May 2012, two years and 9 months after his release….”
As some comedian or other said at the time; “Well, he fitted right in there didn’t he ? A name like that, they just thought he was one of the lads: “Och, ye no want to mess with him – that’s “Big Bill McGrahy” that is.”
“And that doctor wasn’t wrong either – he DID only have three months to live – IN SCOTLAND! Of course, now they’ve moved him somewhere with a half-decent climate and an outside chance of seeing fresh vegetables more than once a week, he could go on for ever….!”
I still reckon the Scottish courts let him go, just to prove how “right-on” they all were, and to stick two fingers up to Westminster.
Karen says
Your point is a good one, regarding trust. Remember that at least one Oxford faculty member was initially adamant about shielding Ramadan, in order to support the emotions of Muslim students. This faculty member was widely quoted as saying:
“It’s not just about sexual violence. For some students, it’s just another way for Europeans to gang up against a prominent Muslim intellectual. We must protect Muslim students who believe and trust in him, and protect that trust”.
StellaSaidSo says
Justice is coming, Tariq.
Looks like ‘Allah wills it’, after all.
Georg says
Fantasy implosion for the creep. The arc of the universe does not go his way.
Karen says
That’s right! 🙂
Frank Anderson says
I do not claim to know about French lawyer disciplinary rules. In the US and particularly where I have practiced, this kind of lie to the court would get a lawyer disbarred very quickly. In fact I could see one or more of the lawyers going to jail with their client. “A lawyer’s duty of zealous advocacy of the client’s interest is limited by an equally solemn duty to uphold the law and the standards of professional conduct.” Nix v. Whiteside, 475 U.S. 157 (1986). How different is the law in France?
StellaSaidSo says
Frank, the medical report stated that Ramadan’s condition is ‘compatible with his continued detention’. There is no suggestion at this point that the lawyers lied.
Frank Anderson says
Stella. . ., you are correct. Do you remember the case of the lawyer (I can’t remember her name at the moment. I believe it was a Federal case out of New York?) in the US who wound up in prison for her aiding a convicted person in more crimes? “Justice, Justice shall you pursue!” I wonder if French courts attempt to be alert to false claims and perjury?
StellaSaidSo says
Hi Frank, I’m not in the US, so I don’t recall the case you mention – but I must say that I agree with the judge’s decision! I’m sure that French courts take an equally dim view of false claims and perjury, and if either has occurred in the Ramadan case, I expect we will hear about it. It is possible that Tariq Ramadan does have MS, and that the examining doctors did not consider his condition serious enough to justify a change to his current accommodation arrangements.
StellaSaidSo says
UPDATE
According to news reports, Tariq Ramadan has been admitted to hospital.
StellaSaidSo says
FURTHER UPDATE
Tariq Ramadan may face US charges as American victim comes forward.
(Al Arabiya English, 21st Feb.)
Frank Anderson says
“Let the bodies hit the floor! Let the bodies hit the floor! Let the bodies hit the floor!” And let justice be done. Should never be a boring case to follow. Thank you for the update.
Benedict says
I’m afraid that this treatment of Ramadan could radicalize him in the prison and some of his followers outside the prison.
StellaSaidSo says
Ramadan is remanded in custody, waiting trial. He was refused bail because of fears that he would flee the country. What do you suggest? That he be allowed to escape justice?
Jayell says
Quite. So anyone or/and their friends who”s likely to behave like an entitled spoilt brat when they’re taken to task for their sins against others just gets let off the hook? Surely that should mean that they need stronger medicine -;for the protection of everyone else. Take them out of circulation for as long as necessary.
Benedict says
No, I am just pointing out that when Muslims are brought to justice it is not likely to provoke contrition.
StellaSaidSo says
What you said, Benedict, was ‘I’m afraid that this treatment of Ramadan could radicalise him inside the prison, and some of his followers outside the prison’. This is not the same point at all. You appeared to be suggesting that Ramadan should not be incarcerated due to the possible risk of radicalisation. In which case, what do you think should be done with him? How should he be ‘treated’?
Benedict says
Stella, I was reflecting on the psychology of the situation knowing the perpetual victim mentality of Muslims. Of cause Ramadan will be and should be judged according to the legal system in France no matter what the consequences.
Donovan Nuera says
It looks like Ramadan is going to bowing down more than 5 times a day in prison…not necessarily facing Mecca…just facing away from a number of large fellow prisoners…it will be a religious experience for sure!!
Mike says
Update:
Judge in Ramadan’s case declared yesterday that Ramadan illness was compatible with his detention.
Ramadan is so taqya that he used an ambulance to go to court .
As Sami Alddeb says : ” With islam ,hycorisy is never far away .”
Note : Before going to tribunal , to prevent Ramadan’s escape , judge ask him a 50,000 caution and his Swiss passepaort . Both were given to the judge . Excellent !
Frank Anderson says
Mike, this certainly is not intended to insult you. Ramadan is a professional, lifelong and devoted liar. I wonder how many other passports he has, and how many ways he has to escape the jurisdiction of the court without a passport. Once a liar, always a liar at every opportunity!
UNCLE VLADDI says
Triqy Ramitin run from the law? Say it isn’t so!
Politicianophobia says
Perhaps “clamping down” on propagation of Islam in governments is huge and needs to be addressed as a matter of urgency.