Not to worry. He is getting “counselling by a member of the local Muslim community.” That will fix everything, won’t it? And the president of the Federation of Islamic Associations, Hazim Arafeh, says that jihad terrorists are “misinformed about Islam.” So you see, nothing to be concerned about at all! Go back to sleep.
But one last question: if this young convert to Islam was “radicalized on the Internet,” i.e., he decided that his new religion called for violence because he found Muslims online saying that it did, why wasn’t he able to recognize that this was a “hijacked” version of the peaceful faith he presumably was taught in Christchurch, and reject it accordingly?
“Kiwi teenager radicalised online planned mass killing in Christchurch ‘for Allah,'” by David Clarkson, Stuff, February 15, 2018 (thanks to the Geller Report):
A Kiwi teenager radicalised online planned to ram a car into a group of people in Christchurch and then stab them.
The teenager wrote a goodbye note to his mother, then started a violent incident, but has since told a psychologist when it began he “decided not to hurt anybody because he did not have the means to kill enough people”, Crown prosecutor Chris Lange told the Christchurch District Court at sentencing on Thursday.
“The reason no-one was hurt was that he did not have access to knives,” Lange said. But there was significant premeditation, and hostility towards non-Muslims.
The teen, who was suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, harboured thoughts for five months of killing multiple people. He expected police to kill him once his rampage started.
After his arrest, the youth told police he was angry and had “done it for Allah”. He had left school at age 15, become socially isolated, and converted to Islam.
The court has adopted a rehabilitative approach to the teen’s sentencing, with Judge Stephen O’Driscoll releasing him on intensive supervision with a list of conditions and a warning that if he breaches the conditions or reoffends, he will likely be sent to prison.
Among the conditions – which will apply for two years while the judge monitors his progress – is counselling by a member of the local Muslim community.
The youth’s name is suppressed and the details of the offending cannot be published. He has admitted eight charges. People were frightened by his actions during the incident last year, and damage was done, but no-one was hurt before he was held until the police arrived.
Lange said even though the youth had been treated for months by the youth forensic psychiatric team, he was still seen as a high risk of reoffending, and a risk to family members and members of the public.
He said the primary consideration was the protection of the community, and the teenager’s rehabilitation and reintegration into society.
Defence counsel Anselm Williams said the youth accepted responsibility with his guilty pleas, and gave explanations to the professionals who spoke to him.
He urged intensive supervision be imposed because prison would mean limited access to the rehabilitation and socialising programmes he needed. The strict conditions proposed for the intensive supervision were “almost unheard of”, he said.
He urged the suppression orders be made. “His rehabilitation would be affected by his name being published and him becoming in any way a celebrity of sorts, or someone of note,” he said.
Judge O’Driscoll said the teen’s rehabilitation would benefit the community in the long run, but he said it was one of the most difficult sentencings he had ever been involved in. “There is a need to deter you, denounce your conduct, and protect the community.”
“There was a disinterest in what is seen as the moderate point of view. You had thoughts which most people who live in a civilised society would find unacceptable.”
Pre-sentence reports indicated he had the potential to act more violently than what happened.
He was diagnosed as having post traumatic stress disorder and would need regular intensive community follow-up.
Judge O’Driscoll told the teenager police had contacted a person from the local Muslim community to meet him regularly for counselling.
“Everyone is really wanting to help and assist you, so you don’t engage in acts of violence and harm innocent members of the community.”
He released the youth under intensive supervision for two years, under GPS monitoring and living in supervised accommodation.
The conditions include assessment, counselling and treatment as directed by the probation officer or a psychologist. He will have to live at a particular address and be monitored by the judge with regular reports.
He has interim name suppression, but that would not be made a permanent order until he successfully completed the supervision sentence. Judge O’Driscoll will get regular monitoring reports on his progress, the first in a month’s time.
VIOLENCE NOT ‘THE REAL ISLAM’
The president of the Federation of Islamic Associations, Hazim Arafeh, said from Christchurch that his organisation “completely condemned any violence towards any community and that will never change”.
The risk of young people not well informed about Islam becoming radicalised online would always be present and the federation fully co-operated with the authorities.
“If you look at the statistics just about all of them are low lifes who have no family, no achievements and no qualifications. It’s easier to recruit people who are misinformed about Islam.”
If people wanted to know about the real Islam they could approach anyone at mosques around the country….
mikhael says
and this wasn’t even mentioned in the news here in christchurch
Rob says
Not seen in Wellington papers either.
Al Azhar Uni in Cairo, the top interpreter of Sunni Islam stated that ‘There is nothing heretical in what ISIS is doing’.
Where is this moderate Islam that this perp is being counseled with?
Andy says
VIOLENCE NOT ‘THE REAL ISLAM’ Well then what is the real Islam???
It sure ain’t peace. That’s for sure!!! Islam and the west should stay apart!!
For the benefit of everyone. MANKIND-Not people kind as stupid leftie politcially correct Trudeau would say!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR27L2QqK3g
CRUSADER says
The real Islam is that which strives (there’s that word again!) to have an empire on which the sun never sets (not that sun actually sets being that it is in the solar system, but I digress, listening Wellington? ha ha ha….tip o’ the tam to ya, good sir) !
The real Islam wishes to convince you that roses originated from their region, blessed by Allah, so an English Rose is a rose which Allah desires to be returned to the Muslim umma to enjoy and smell and pick and then crunch in a fist of rage and drop in a dirty gutter….
Rob says
UPDATE:
It’s now being covered.
MFritz says
It’s most likely considered a “state secret” by your authorities. You know, the truth always has a “radical extremist bias” for some (political) folks in NZ.
Peter Buckley says
“Lange said even though the youth had been treated for months by the youth forensic psychiatric team…………..”
Yup.,That fits the usual pattern, then:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/mental-disorders-and-islam/
He has clearly become a devout muslim:
https://www.thelocal.de/20100606/27673
lebel says
OK I believe that this is important news. There are Muslims who believe these kinds of actions are in line with Islam and so this must be addressed.
gravenimage says
What, Jihad Watch covered a story that lebel believes is valid? Huzzah! Huzzah! sarc/off
Note the weasely reference to this Jihadist’s “believ[ing] these kinds of actions are in line with Islam”–as if we are supposed to believe that Islam is a true religion of peace, and the only concern is a handful of Muslims who misunderstand their kind-hearted and tolerant creed. Try again…
CRUSADER says
Are you describing Lebel as a thinly veiled Jihadi?
Is Lebel then a moniker blending Liable and Evil, ergo Lebel?
gravenimage says
He is certainly a Muslim apologist, CRUSADER.
His usual role here is to castigate Jihad Watch for actually opposing Jihad, while claiming–quite implausibly–that he opposes Jihad himself. He’s been doing this here for years.
I have increasingly made note of this here–which is likely why he deigned to posit an instance of Jihad plotting to be important (of course, he regularly ignores all instances of successful Jihad terrorism).
But even here, he slyly undercuts our concerns. Ugly stuff.
lebel says
I have always been upfront about my taqqiya skills. In fact I have recently attained the GrandSheikh level at the Mosque.
This allows me to “condemn” some terrorism in order to fool the naive infidels but the brothers know what’s up “wink wink”
Mo says
@ lebel
“OK I believe that this is important news. There are Muslims who believe these kinds of actions are in line with Islam and so this must be addressed.”
That’s because these kinds of actions are in line with Islam.
DogOnPorch says
Islam being peaceful.
Factsnotfeels says
Christchurch resident here.
Yes I was horrified to see this. I’m also hoping they look into what he was looking at online and into any mosque he attended.
The Stuff article was very slim on how he got the idea to murder for Allah.
There seems to be a high incidence of violence from converts to Islam ( worldwide) and I’m guessing it’s because the calls to jihad are so plentiful in the Koran. If you’re an angry young person looking for a cause you readily find it there.
StellaSaidSo says
Indeed, the recruiters seek out the young and the vulnerable as targets for conversion, because they are easily manipulated. It’s not difficult to imagine what kind of ‘counselling’ this individual is receiving at the mosque.
gravenimage says
Glad he was thwarted, Factsnotfeels.
And he may well not have been a convert to Islam, but someone raised with it–in which case New Zealand authorities should look at the whole family.
Jackie Rozell says
He became radicalized “online?” There is no safety for non-Muslims when Muslims are in the community. And they turned his counselling over to MUSLIMS?
gravenimage says
Yes–this last is the most perverse.
Walter Sieruk says
The God of the Bible is not really Allah the god of Islam. To explain, through the passing of time it has become widely accepted that the word “Allah” is just the Arabic word for God. This started when truth compromising Bible “translators” substituted the word Allah where the word God should have had been uses in the Arabic translation of the Bible. Furthermore, in the glossary in the book ASSASSINS! By Dr. Haha Lung it defines Allah as the “Pre-Islamic Lunar god : the god of Islam. “ Likewise, in the book entitled INSIDE ISLAM by a former Muslim who is now a Christian, Reza F. Safa on pages 22, 23 it reads “In pre-Islamic times both Allah –worship and Baal-worship involved the worship of the sun, the moon and the stars which h defines them as astral religions. [Which are condemned in the Bible, Second Kings 23:5] The crescent moon, which was the symbol of moon worship, is also the symbol of Islam.” In conclusion the Islamic god, Allah, is not the God of the Bible.
The words in brackets are my own. In addition other some other books that expose this little known truths are WHO IS THIS ALLAH ? by G..J.O.. Moshay also UNVEILING ISLAM by Ergun Mehmet Caner and Emir Fethi Caner and THE ISLAMIC INVASION by Robert Morey . There is also PHILISTINE by Ramon Bennett and ANSWERING JIHAD by Mabeel Qureshi
mikhael says
this guy needs to be named so that we know our enemy
Marina says
This youth should be locked up for life. Islam is a dangerous brain washing ideeology. Counseling cannot help a devout Muslim who decides to kill for the cruel Allah.
Jayell says
“He is getting “counselling by a member of the local Muslim community.”………
Sounds like your average homicidal maniac getting therapy from Jack the Ripper.
Benedict says
? Same thought at the same time – see below.
Benedict says
– He is getting “counselling by a member of the local Muslim community.” –
When Muslims plan to commit atrocities in accordance with the letter and spirit of Islam “counselling by a member of the local Muslim community” is hardly what is needed. If a person has been poisoned the treatment is not to prescribe more of the same poison for the patient. The poison should be extracted from his body if possible.
gravenimage says
True, Jayell and Benedict.
Islamic mirror says
Is Allah SATAN? Islam Exposed? (usama Dakdok -www.thestraightway.org.) / Jay Boo
Allah (moon god) is satan his hateful message. Jesus is not God is ok for muslims to say. God –Father, Son and Holy Spirit
Christians and non -Muslims cannot say allah is satan in muslims countries. Muslim will kill you
• The description of allah and description of satan.
• The acts of allah and the acts of satan
• The revealation of allah and revealation of satan
• The laws of allah and the laws of satan
Osjodo to adam : mo inserted greek word in the Q. Bible does not say , worship adam
muslims top priority is to please Allah”. The problem is that Allah was revealed to Muhammad, a pedophile, a thief and a murderer. Therefore Allah has no legitimacy.
Allah receive the revelation from satan .
The Qur’an’s Deception Passages:
According to the Bible, Allah is Satan.
Qur’an 1:1 indicates that Muslims worship the god of this world who is Satan who is known as the best deceiver and who leads people astray.
Let us look at what both the Bible and the Qur’an say to prove this point.
Qur’an 1:1 states that Allah is the god (lord) of this world:
The praise be to Allah, the lord of the worlds. Allah is Satan as it is written throughout the Qur’an. The Bible states in 2 Corinthians 4:4 that the god of this world is Satan: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Allah got 99 names one of them is “Proud. Allah does not love proud, that means allah hate himself. Q59.23, Q16.23
• Satan becomes proud Q 2.34
Allah is not God because Allah is proud. Qur’an 59:23 states: He is Allah. There is no god except him… the proud.
• But the God of the Bible is meek and lowly in heart. Matthew 11:29 states: Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart….
Q 3.54 , 8:30. Both verses in Qur’an 3:54 and 8:30 state that Allah is the best deceiver:
And they deceived, and Allah deceived. And Allah is the best deceiver. What does the Bible say about this? Revelation 20:10 tells us: And the devil that deceived them…
According to the Bible, however, Satan is the father of lies (John 8:44). Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God?
Quran 3:54) –
Literal: And they cheated/deceived and God cheated/deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers
(Quran 8:30) –
Literal: And when those who disbelieved deceive/scheme at you to affix/affirm you, or kill you, or bring you out, and they scheme/deceive , and Allah deceives/schemes and Allah (is) best (of) the deceivers/schemers.
( Quran 7:99 ) –
Literal: Did they secure God’s scheme/deceit ? So no(one) trusts God’s scheme/deceit except the nation the losers
If allah deceives and lies that means allah is scared of something or someone greater than himself. If allah fears something or someone greater than himself then it follows allah is not all powerful. Since allah is not all-powerful, why should he be served as god?
Killer allah: Surah 8:17 Those that the Muslims killed were not really killed by them. It was Allah who did the killing. (Moslems believe all that Hateful shit? shame on you followers of Satan).
Islam calls for eternal war against all non-Muslims “until all religion is with Allah.” {Sura 8:39}
Allah is hate spreader and Islamic text is doctrine of hate
Koran 40:35 “They [kafirs] who dispute the signs (verses) of Allah without authority having reached them are greatly hated by Allah and the believers (mohammden).” (Note: not just “hated”, but “greatly hated”.)
Allaha is hate spreader. Allah is evil
Q5.14 “And with those who say: “Lo! we are Christians,” We made a covenant, but they forgot a part of that whereof they were admonished. Therefor We have stirred up enmity and hatred among them till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will inform them of their handiwork.”
Q5.14 * تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn
________________________________________{ وَمِنَ ٱلَّذِينَ قَالُواْ إِنَّا نَصَارَىٰ أَخَذْنَا مِيثَاقَهُمْ فَنَسُواْ حَظّاً مِّمَّا ذُكِرُواْ بِهِ فَأَغْرَيْنَا بَيْنَهُمُ ٱلْعَدَاوَةَ وَٱلْبَغْضَآءَ إِلَىٰ يَوْمِ ٱلْقِيَامَةِ وَسَوْفَ يُنَبِّئُهُمُ ٱللَّهُ بِمَا كَانُواْ يَصْنَعُونَ }
And with those who say ‘We are Christians’ (this is semantically connected to [what follows]) We made a covenant, just as We did with the Children of Israel, the Jews, and they have forgotten a portion of that they were reminded of, in the Gospel, pertaining to faith and other matters, and they [too] broke the covenant. So We have stirred up, We have caused, among them enmity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection, on account of their schisms and differing whims, each sect charging the other with unbelief; and God will assuredly tell them, in the Hereafter, of what they wrought, and requite them for this
Allah mislead 13.17 Allah is a misleader.
Qur’an:4:88 states: And whomever Allah leads astray, so you will not find for him a way.
But the God of the Bible is a true leader. See Proverb 3:5-6.
Qur’an 35:8 states that Allah leads people astray:
So surely Allah leads astray whom he wills and guides whom he wills. Does God lead people astray? No. Then who does the Bible say wants to lead people astray and keep them from having eternal life through Jesus Christ?
Satan leads people astray. 1 Peter 5:8 tells us that Satan walks about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour, and Revelation 12:9 states: The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray…
schemer , Allah is a schemer. Qur’an 68:45 states:
…surely my scheme is firm. Also Qur’an 86:16 states: and I am scheming a scheme.
Allah is wrathful. Qur’an 2:59 states: So those who were unjust changed the saying to what had not been said to them, so we sent down on those unjust a wrath from the heaven because they were transgressors.
Satan brings wrath
See also Qur’an 7:162.
Allah is abominable. Qur’an 10:100 states:
And it was not for a soul to believe except by Allah’s permission, and he will lay the uncleanness on those who will not understand…
Allah is a seducer. Qur’an 11:34 states: And my advice will not profit you, if I desire to advise you, if Allah was desiring to seduce you….
Allah is a seditionist (subversive/rebellion). Qur’an 25:20 states: and we made some of you to be a sedition to some others…
Qur’an 38:85 and 11:119 both state that Allah desires to fill hell with people:
38:85…surely I will fill hell from you and from those who followed you from among them together. 11.119 …“I will surely fill hell with the jinn and the people together.”
What does the Bible say about people? God wants us to be with Him in heaven. He even sent His Son, Jesus, to die on the cross to pay for our sins so that people can have a way to live eternally in heaven with Him. He does not want any to perish. John 3:16 states:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
The Word Miim-Kaf-Ra is constantly used when referring to Allah
Miim-Kaf-Ra = “To practice deceit or guile or circumvention, practice evasion or illusion, to plot, to exercise art or craft or cunning, act with policy, practice stratagem.”
Read more at http://www.deonvsearth.com/who-is-allah-evidence-discovered-god-of-islam-satan-proof/#f5EfYtEbgec3Mvw8.99
Islamic mirror says
a lot of love in Christianity, a lot of anger and hate in Islam. Christian pray for others, muslims pray for themselves. “religion of war” full of “venomous misogyny
• Coran has 114 chapters 6666 word. Jesus mentioned 25 times and mohammed 4 times
• chapter 15 verse the quran saying the workd of god will never be changed and the ottman quran is made of 8 different versions of quran ? 26 arab version of quran
• Hate appears towards unbeliever 296 times,
• kill unbeliever 180 times,
• Muslims are the “best of peoples” (3:110)
• slaughtering people – and their neighbors and entire community – over just a rumor is mainstream Islam.
• 51% (548,190 words) of the Trilogy text (koran, hadith,sira), most of it slanders against non-Muslims
• Not a single verse peaceful and be nice towards muslim sister. the Quran and hadith seem to be written for and only addressing men
• the 14 Koran verses that say Muslims not befriends of dirty kafirs
• 154 – 164 verses of curses , jihad and war and killings -31% of the Islamic Trilogy (327,547 words) concerned with jihad-warfare
that’s 80% plus of that obnoxious rag being useless
Text analysis of Islam’s so-called ‘holy’ books reveals approx. 20% religious content compared with 80% political content. If the political content was removed from Islam, there is virtually nothing left.
Revealation doubted
Ibn Abi Sarh was one of Muhammad’s scribes. When there was “revelation” of verse (23:12) that says, “We created man of an extraction of clay”, and when Muhammad reached the part that says, “… thereafter We produced him as another creature (23:14), ‘Abdullah said, “So blessed be God the fairest of creators!” in amazement at the details of man’s creation. The Prophet said, “Write it down; for thus it has been revealed.” ‘Abdullah doubted and said, “If Muhammad is truthful then I receive the revelation as much as he does, and if he is a liar, what I said is a good as what he said.”
‘Aisha remarked, “It seems to me that your Lord hastens to satisfy your desire.” Sahih Muslim vol.2 book 8 no.3453-3454 p.748-749.
Quran (33.57 : eat and leave , Do not marry mo wife
Interesting argument… but the Muslim answer would be more or less this: The Qur’an is the word of Allah and his has been “transmitted” (accurately) by the “messenger” who is Mohammed. So the Qur’an is composed from the words of a messenger, but the words the messenger gave are not his own. However, the suggestion that a wise and all knowing God passed the stuff found in Quran on to Mohammed is a tall tale in any case… except perhaps as a bad joke…. Then we DO actually have Mohammed admission that on at least one occasion he spoke verses not “revealed” to him. We also have yet another record in a hadith where his scribe suggested a modification to a “revealed” verse, and Mohammed readily agreed.
gravenimage says
New Zealand: Muslim teen planned to ram car into people and then stab them “for Allah”
……………………
Poor pious Muslim probably just got “radicalized” by having to live in a place called “Christchurch”. Poor Mohammedan…sarc/off
CRUSADER says
Makes sense that Muslims also want New Zealand. They have far more sheep than pigs.
And we all know how well Muslims get along with sheep. They count on people also becoming sheep.
BAHd Muzzies. BAAAHd Muzzies.
Aotearoa sounds like “I’ll tear up Allah” if one says it five times fast and has drunk lots of Steinlager.
Looks like the Maori warriors will do Muzzies in!
StellaSaidSo says
‘…the Maori warriors will do Muzzies in!’
We wish.
Sadly, many Maoris have converted to Islam, especially in the Hawke’s Bay region.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Stella.
CRUSADER says
Hawke’s Bay Muslim forms own Islamic State – NZ Herald
http://www.nzherald.co.nz › New Zealand
Dec 1, 2014 – A Hawke’s Bay Muslim man is calling on “souljahs of Allah” to make their way to Hastings and join him in forming the “Islamic State of Aotearoa”. Te Amorangi Kireka-Whaanga, of Hastings, who heads the Aotearoa Maori Muslim Association
CRUSADER says
Difficult for Hawaiians to convert….they love pig / wild boar far too much.
What’s the scoops with Maoris? Some hook on regret for allowing Whites to take the land?
Why give up paganism/polytheism as a culture?
MFritz says
The very same “counseling” most likely drove this teen to (plan to) commit an act of terrorism. But NZ-authorities are still in the denial-phase. Once people are dead or wounded IT IS TOO LATE.
Infidel says
Even NZ!!! VOW!! This scourge is a real cancer!!
Twerzig says
Now most feminists don’t want this repeated but Kate Sheppard said there would be trouble for Mahomadisism or something like that.
My bug is what do aliens think. They have been watching us for thousands of years. They don’t talk to us because we are so violent. I mean there could be galactic religions out there.