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New Zealand: Teen jihadi to get “proper Islamic counselling” to “overcome his radicalisation”

Feb 18, 2018 9:28 am By Robert Spencer

The Christchurch District Court is basing this decision on the idea that Islam is a religion of peace that jihadis misunderstand. The authorities are trusting the Federation of Islamic Associations, or whatever Muslim group is going to be entrusted with this task, to teach this young would-be jihad mass murderer the true, peaceful Islam. However, since warfare against unbelievers really is taught in the Qur’an and Sunnah, it is much more likely that this young man will be instructed in the ways of stealth jihad and subversion. Watch for him to burst onto the public scene a few years from now, billed as a “reformed jihadi” who now adheres to “true Islam,” and agitating for special accommodation for Muslims based on their aggrieved victim status, and for the dismantling of counterterror efforts as “Islamophobic” and discriminatory.

More on this story. “Christchurch Muslims to monitor radicalised teenager,” RNZ, February 16, 2018:

The Muslim community is applauding a judge’s decision not to send a radicalised teenage boy to prison for a violent attack in Christchurch last July.

Police said he terrified a large number of people, but all details of the attack have been suppressed.

The teenager was sentenced in the Christchurch District Court yesterday to two years’ intensive supervision.

Federation of Islamic Associations president Hazim Arafeh said that was the right thing to do.

“Sending him to prison would deprive him [of] the proper help that he needs.

“He will be receiving some proper Islamic counselling which we believe will help him overcome his radicalisation.”

Mr Arafeh said the Muslim community in Christchurch will help monitor the boy, and exactly how he would be de-radicalised was still being worked out.

“This young man has been very misinformed about Islam and our role is to provide the proper information.

“He’s been scammed.”

Netsafe New Zealand’s chief executive, Martin Cocker, said he had never heard of a case in New Zealand that involved a person that young becoming radicalised online….

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  1. Tim Taylor says

    Feb 18, 2018 at 9:46 am

    Radicals are practicing Islam exactly the way Mohammed wanted it practiced. It’s the moderates that control it, but how do we push them to reform it? When good Muslim do absolutely nothing about the atrocities being committed in their name, the ling between good Muslim and bad becomes blurred?

    • PRCS says

      Feb 18, 2018 at 1:30 pm

      *Radicals are practicing Islam exactly the way Mohammed wanted it practiced.
      Which is why–as most understand the term–they’re NOT radicals who are perverting the faith.

      *When good Muslims do absolutely nothing about the atrocities being committed in their name
      Good, compliant Muslims won’t–as that would make them bad Muslims, subjecting themselves to the tender mercies of good Muslims.

      Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is a very good Muslim.

    • Lydia Church says

      Feb 18, 2018 at 8:10 pm

      If they are talking ‘violence’ when it comes to radicalized, islamic counseling will only make it worse!
      If they are talking ‘peaceful’ as the radical and extreme fanatical exception to the bloody violence found in islam, then they will need to look outside of islam for that sort of counseling…!

  2. Norger says

    Feb 18, 2018 at 9:53 am

    The people who are “misinformed” about Islam are the stupid New Zealand kafirs who are buying this nonsense.

  3. mortimer says

    Feb 18, 2018 at 10:27 am

    Here is an example of ‘PROPER’ Islamic counselling … the 164 JIHAD VERSES that MANDATE BIGOTED WARFARE AGAINST DISBELIEVERS…

    The Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses: K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008

    • Arryn says

      Feb 20, 2018 at 3:07 am

      New Zealand people are being kept in the dark about the Muslim BY THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IN NEW ZEALAND HAVE DONE THE BEST THEY CAN TO KEEP THE MAORI & PACIFIC ISLANDERS ABOUT ISLAM & THE MUSLIMS. ISLAM IS “NOT” A RELIGION OF PEACE. IT IS NOT A RELIGION AT ALL BUT AN IDEOLOGY THAT TEACHES “HATE & MURDER”. IT TEACHES RAPE OF WOMEN & YOUNG GIRLS, KILLINGS OF GAYS. ENCOURAGE,ENSLAVING OF WOMEN, SELLING & BUYING AT THE SAME TIME RAPE HUMILIATE & MURDER THEM.

      THE MUSLIMS WILL NOT ASSIMILATE & INTEGRATE WITH THE INFIDELS (you & me or anybody but themselves believers of Muhammad the pedophile). VERY SOON THE NEW ZEALAND PEOPLE WILL HEAR THE MUSLIMS MAKING DEMANDS ABOUT WHAT THEIR RIGHTS ARE & THEN THREATEN TO TAKE THEIR CASE TO THE UNITED NATIONS. THE UNITED NATIONS HAS BEEN SOILED BY THE MUSLIMS, THE LEFT/LIBERALS FOR SO LONG. THEY HAVE TURNED IT INTO A CIRCUS. THE ONLY THING TO DO IS TO STAND OUR GROUNDS AND RESIST THIS BARBARIC IDEOLOGY.

  4. StellaSaidSo says

    Feb 18, 2018 at 10:32 am

    ‘…exactly how he would be de-radicalised was still being worked out…’

    Well of course it is ‘still being worked out’. They’ve never done it before.

    • mortimer says

      Feb 18, 2018 at 10:37 am

      DERADICALIZATION? May I be of assistance?

      The Fabrication of Mohammed

      • gravenimage says

        Feb 18, 2018 at 10:20 pm

        Mortimer, Samad has never said that he is “deradicalizing” Muslims.

    • PRCS says

      Feb 18, 2018 at 1:33 pm

      As it has no legitimate meaning, they need to put the “radicalization” line to rest.

    • Karen says

      Feb 20, 2018 at 7:26 pm

      LOL, good point!

      “Christchurch Muslims to monitor radicalised teenager”

      And who certified the correct functioning of *their* brains?

      Out of the frying pan, into the fire?

  5. Phil Copson says

    Feb 18, 2018 at 10:34 am

    Netsafe NZ Chief Executive, “Martin Cock-up” more like….

  6. mortimer says

    Feb 18, 2018 at 10:35 am

    ‘PROPER’ Islamic counselling from SHARIA LAW about JIHAD!

    Reliance of the Traveller O9.1 “Jihad is a communal obligation,” meaning obligatory upon the Muslims each year.

    Chapter O9.0: Jihad
    (O: Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word mujahada signifying warfare to establish the religion.

    O9.8: The Objectives of Jihad
    The caliph (o25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians…
    O9.9
    The caliph fights all other peoples until they become Muslim (O: because they are not a people with a Book…

    Allah said:
    8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world ]….
    9:29.Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
    Muhammad said:
    “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’ And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.” Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 387
    Caliph Umar’s general told the Persians:
    …Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says:– “Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master.”… Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 53, Number 386

    Compare the answers of Tripolitanian ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman to THOMAS JEFFERSON and JOHN ADAMS in March 1786:
    • (Allah) ordered us to fight disbelievers till they worship Allah Alone or give Jizzya
    • that it was their right and duty to make war upon them (disbelievers)
    • Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise
    • every Mussulman (or Muslim) who should be slain in battle was sure to go to heaven.
    • whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master
    • to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners.

  7. Michael Copeland says

    Feb 18, 2018 at 10:37 am

    If taxpayer funds are involved in this so-called “deradicalisation” a condition would be attached to it that the whole process be recorded so that all may see what it consists of.

    • PRCS says

      Feb 18, 2018 at 1:35 pm

      would be

      should be

      maybe

      • Michael Copeland says

        Feb 18, 2018 at 3:31 pm

        Apologies for the typo. Of course, it should have been “should”.

        As you indicate, it will likely only be “may”, and probably will be “will not”.

        • PRCS says

          Feb 18, 2018 at 5:06 pm

          +1

  8. Benedict says

    Feb 18, 2018 at 2:44 pm

    “He will be receiving some proper Islamic counselling which we believe will help him overcome his radicalisation.” –

    Dr Jekyll counseling Mr Hyde. Who will prevail?

    • Ray Jarman says

      Feb 19, 2018 at 2:18 pm

      or who is minding the store; the inmates or the jailors? It seems that the jailors have succumbed to the inmates.

      • Benedict says

        Feb 19, 2018 at 7:06 pm

        Yes. Apparently in the the strange case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde it takes a Sherlock Holmes to find out that they are one and the same person: Mr. Hyde is Dr. Jekyll after the weekly Friday prayer.

  9. Flavius Claudius Iulianus says

    Feb 18, 2018 at 5:39 pm

    http://barenakedislam.com/2018/02/18/carnival-cruise-from-hell-thanks-to-one-middle-eastern-extended-family-allegedly-lebanese-from-melbourne-australia/

  10. sidney penny says

    Feb 19, 2018 at 3:20 am

    “This young man has been very misinformed about Islam and our role is to provide the proper information.”

    He means “our role is to provide the proper Islamic information”

    Same as “He will be receiving some proper Islamic counselling”

    Yes, looking forward to hearing from The New Zealand Proper Islamic Counselling Association.based in Wellington the capital of New Zealand.

    Mr Arafeh does not say how and why the teenager was misinformed about Islam and how and why he has been scammed.

    Can you ask him please?

  11. sidney penny says

    Feb 19, 2018 at 3:29 am

    ‘…exactly how he would be de-radicalised was still being worked out…’

    Maybe they should refer the teenager to Anne Aly.(“deradicalization expert” now a member of Australia’s parliament.-How did she get there?)

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/australia-muslim-prof-claims-she-got-hate-mail-after-her-deceptions-exposed.

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/australia-muslim-university-research-explains-that-theres-nothing-islamic-about-beheading-women-have-equal-rights-in-islam

  12. Chris Malan says

    Feb 19, 2018 at 5:03 am

    Talk about making the priest the babysitter. Muslims keeping a Muslim from killing for Allah. What a joke.

  13. MFritz says

    Feb 19, 2018 at 7:10 am

    “Proper” most likely means to learn that only a successful suicide attack will get him the 72 virgins?

  14. Infidel says

    Feb 19, 2018 at 12:51 pm

    What a joke!!!

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