My latest over at the Geller Report:
Arthur Wagner, a member of the Alternative for Germany (AfD) party that opposes Angela Merkel’s suicidal influx of Muslim migrants, recently gained headlines (as well as crowing and accolades from all the usual infiltrators, saboteurs, and dhimmis) by converting to Islam. But then he revealed why he had answered the call of Allah.
It was, he said, all about the Christian Churches’ “moral decline.” “One of the reasons,” Wagner explained, “is tied to changes that have taken place in the church, which no longer reflects my values.” He said that it was “unacceptable” for Christian leaders to support “marriage for all” and to participate in gay pride parades, “where are children.”
Excoriating the Protestant church’s “moral decline” is one thing, but now Wagner has joined a religion that teaches that homosexuals must be put to death. The Qur’an contains numerous condemnations of homosexual activity: “And Lot when he said to his people, ‘Do you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds? Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people.’…And We rained upon them a rain of stones. Then see how was the end of the criminals.” (Qur’an 7:80-84)
Muhammad specifies the punishment for this in a hadith: “The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, ‘Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.’” (Sunan Abu Dawud 4462)
Moral decline or moral myopia, giving a divine sanction to murder? Wagner has chosen the latter. Muslims and non-Muslims often tell us that Muslims hate the West for its decadence, its immorality, its lasciviousness, which they contrast unfavorably with the supposed morality and uprightness of the Islamic world. Often this boils down to a Muslim critique of Western “freedom,” as Wagner offers as a reason for his conversion.
In line with that, the Mufti of Australia, Sheikh Taj al-Din al-Hilali, once complained that “Australian law guarantees freedoms up to a crazy level.” Yet genuine freedom is an indispensable prerequisite for any cultivation of real virtue. Even today’s rootless and confused West, that has to such a great degree cast off Judeo-Christian values, makes it more possible to be virtuous than the apparently much more straitlaced Islamic world. With its stonings, amputations, death penalties for an array of offenses including apostasy, Islam has created not a framework in which people can become genuinely good, but an empire of fear.
In the empire of fear, people don’t dare step out of line, not out of an authentic understanding that the path of moral and ethical uprightness is preferable to the alternative, much less out of love for God, but because they are afraid of what would happen to them if they did depart from Islam’s vision of morality. Were people unable to choose to do evil, their choosing of the good is merely a manifestation of fear and the power of coercion. Those who have no choice but to be good demonstrate nothing about whether their beliefs enable or inspire them to choose the good when they could just as easily not do so.
This explodes Islam’s moral critique of the West, including the moral disgust that led Arthur Wagner to embrace Islam. Islam envisions people behaving in a virtuous manner only because they are too afraid to do otherwise. Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini once thundered: “Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors!”
The use of fear as a motivating factor, which Arthur Wagner has now chosen in his outrage over the West’s “moral decline,” is not anything but the worst moral decline of all. It also highlights how radically different Islamic law is from the core values and principles of American society. However, since “war is deceit,” as Muhammad said, the Islamic propaganda machine, with the willing help of the establishment media, will continue to obscure these vital truths for most Americans. Nonetheless, as Islam continues to expand its presence in the U.S., the horrors of Sharia and the Empire of Fear it creates will eventually become obvious here – although probably only when it is too late, just as it is already too late for Arthur Wagner.
Robert Spencer is the director of Jihad Watch and author of the New York Times bestsellers The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) and The Truth About Muhammad. His new book is Confessions of an Islamophobe. Follow him on Twitter here. Like him on Facebook here.
Gary says
So this POS adopts ISLAM…….WHAT A IDIOT.
Lydia Church says
Such a stupid error he made!
Christianity and the churches are two different things!
The Word of God calls homosexuality a sin, if the churches fall into apostasy, then leave the churches, not the Christian faith! And that is only one church, there are all kinds of churches. I have distanced myself from many church affiliations as a result of many things, and that is because I am becoming a deeper and stronger Christian, not moving in the opposite direction.
Jesus Himself rebukes some of the churches in the letters to the churches in the book of Revelation!
Peter Lewis Hannan says
Brilliant! I’m not Christian; I think that Buddhism is the religion of freedom, and scientific atheism works pretty well, but lacks in important parts the ethical framework of Buddhism. Happy to co-operate with Jews, Christians, Hindus, agnostics, Buddhists, atheists and pagans against islamic totalitarianism.
Savvy Kafir says
Same here. I’m not religious myself (unless you count pantheism); but I’m happy to work with people of all faiths, or none, in fighting the spread of Islam.
Raja says
Savvy Kafir, Even the “spread of Islam” might be deceitful. They lie all the time to keep their flock in good humour. This is how Islam survives in modern world. How come there are reports of millions leaving the evil Islam?
Ethel Red says
Count me in on all counts.
Infidel says
Very happy and Proud Hindu… but otherwise very happy to be pals with Christians, Buddhists, Sikhs, atheists and other sane minded people… except one toxic group.. and U know what I mean here..
Infidel says
Also not in the business of preaching Hinduism and making the whole world Hindu… That I’m Hindu, is ENOUGH for me…
gravenimage says
Agreed! I stand with you all against the threat of Islam.
Carol (the 1st) says
An article to be earmarked. I like how Mr. Spencer profiles Islam’s moral myopia in the last 5 paragraphs.
MFritz says
The AfD is a fake from A to Z. And so are her members. Don’t fall the hype.
I took the time and effort to talk to FPOE-members in Austria and their reasons WHY the voted for this party. And they clearly said, that “their” party would promise and do the things THEY want. Whereas the AfD doesn’t promise anything concrete and wants to continue with the policies of the current governments. The only “difference” is them pretending to be “extreme right” and spouting phrases.
But we Germans had over the decades TWO very similar parties already – the REPs and the NPD. Both were basically funded and run by German state agencies to “tie” right wing radicals and extremists. If they EVER won any election (over 5%) they never were of any relevance. Just there as a boo-man and then gone again. They were, basically, a joke.
And that’s the point from where you have to see the AfD. It’s not an “alternative”, it’s just a fake beacon to lure critical voters away from the real solutions (e.a. getting rid of the established parties and their lobbyist cronies) and towards the CDU.
This is also the reason why the “sponsors” (rich industrials etc.) of the AfD remain in the dark. Else people wouldn’t believe the party even a little.
RichardL says
what an absurd conspiracy theory! The NPD is a vicious neo-Nazi party and hates Jews and Israel. The AfD is the only party in Germany that is Zionist. Every ten years the totalitarian parties try to have the NPD outlawed. Have you any evidence for the secret financing? Of course not: it is secret 😉
Secrets says
In Dont think what Fritz sayed.
But its clear that the NPD was payed by german and british secret police!
One of the founder sayed he was payed from day one!Then when german gov. wanted to forbbid the NPD the court was not able to do it because they where to much payed Agents in the leadership of the NPD!!!
Also for Antisemits:At the beginning the NPD kicked out a member who was openly Antisemitic.
For the REP Republikaner.At first they where just a split from the CSU(Bavarians biggest Party like CDU/there is no CDU in Bavaria)and the CDU leader sayed:There cant be a rigth wing party next to us…and it is also clear that they als had payed secret Agents in the party…they destroyed it with Idiots.There was one guy that was before a spy for the communists in east germany!He was filmed when he sayed:Every Negroe that burn is one to much,but if the state dont do anything many more will burn…-and yes it came out that he worked for the secret police again…today the REP has Black and Muslims as Members…
Also the DVU was a Party lead by secret police i think.Yeah the leader was sure an Anticommunist,but he belived in the USA i think.Read about his history..
Thats why the AFD dont let Members in who where in NS Org. or Partys.
Some people say.They where sponsored by rich people(I read from a rich guy from Switzerland).Yeah ok,so what?Perhaps this rich people are smarter then the stupid open border fans.Everybody knows that if the IQ falls,the Industry will fall also..if you dont have people who have new ideas you will loose money.
And for this AFD guy.I think he made a joke and just want to see what Muslims will tell him hahaha…if not,doenst matter-the people dont vote for him again…
MFritz says
Here’s an article to read, RichardL:
https://www.lobbycontrol.de/2017/09/geheime-millionen-und-der-verdacht-illegaler-parteispenden/
It’s in German, but you’re a smart one, Dick, ain’t ya.
And you’re “argument” in regards to the “Zionism” of the AfD is a good example for more lazy idiocy. This party was specifically FOUNDED to support the CDU as a coalition party and/or with votes from the right fringe. So the AfD CANNOT be TOO far out right or the plot does not work. It’s part of the AfD’s “design”. And what sets it apart from ANY “proper” populist party at the far right in Europe – they’re (to some extent) ALL antisemitic or at least anti-zionist.
But, hey, just keep on posting smileys at the end of your posting, at least it makes you look somewhat clever…
RichardL says
the government changed the law in order to cut of the AfD from the money that parties get per vote. If the AfD wouldn’t have started selling gold, they would have been forced to close shop. What MFritz is saying makes absolutely no sense – like any conspiracy theory.
The AfD is the only party in the Bundestag that is against all the nonsense that the totalitarian parties promote: islamisation, globull worming, etc. And because they are they get votes, but according to MFritz they are the same as the CDU.
gravenimage says
The NPD has demanded that Germany annex Austria and parts of Poland. They want to see the abolition of parliamentary democracy. They have protested any observation of the Holocaust. They are definitely white supremacist.
This is definitely disturbing.
Equally distubing are their positions re Jihad. They supported Gaza in their war against Israel. They support Iran in their declaring the destruction of Israel.
Positing them as an Anti-Jihad party seems mistaken at best.
andra says
You always come up with this “theory”. Do you have any proof for your stories?
I personally believe that you post here to get the German readers of JW away from the AfD because their popularity (now about 15%) endangers your left universe.
By the way. the NPD was always in favour of Islam and the AfD´s program is not. In addition – if you follow the Bundestag debates – the AfD can not yet keep promises as it is not yet in power but is able to name the criminal activities of our government. And that is something you do not get from any other German party. Many members of the Greenies and the SPD are falling into agonal respiration every second day because they cannnot cope with the circumstances that there have come true debates and true opposition to the Bundestag.
MFritz says
The AfD was planned – like the tea party in the US – to grant certain lobby groups stronger influence on the “bigger” parties. Or at least support them with voters from the right fringe.
So the AfD being too strongly AGAINST government policies and/or anti-semitic/anti-zionist would not work in their favour. Especially if this party supposed to be a coalition-partner for the CDU.
The ZDF’s political commentaries are a very good example of how criticism OF the AfD got weaker and weaker over the last year. And guess which party runs the ZDF (German state television) first and foremost. The same goes for some of the bigger newspapers (ZEIT, WELT) as well. They “somehow” all got more “understanding” towards the AfD.
In the end, the AfD will get rid of some its fringe personal and act “nicer” in public and it will be the perfect bride for the CDU. Besides, the Bavarian CSU’s “motto” always has been, that there shouldn’t be any party “more to the right” than they themselves. And that’s the SISTER party of the CDU!
gravenimage says
Andra wrote:
By the way. the NPD was always in favour of Islam and the AfD´s program is not.
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Yes–that’s what i have seen, as well.
DFD says
Mfritz:
“…The only “difference” is them pretending to be “extreme right” and spouting phrases…”
___ WHAT?! Utter nonsense! The AfD isn’t ‘spouting’ any phrases and it distances itself from “the right”, and most certainly from the “extreme right”. It even does not permit ex-NPD members to join.
“….But we Germans had over the decades TWO very similar parties already – the REPs and the NPD…”
___ There’s nothing even remotely similar! The NPD was not nearly as far right as it was made out to be. ALL of the far right statements and articles produced by the NPD were said and written by agents of the BfV (German secret service, internal affairs {west Germany’s GESTAPO if you so wish}). Which has been well proven, and is the reason why the courts are rejecting any notion of classing the NPD as anti-constitutional and outlawing it. The Republicans (REP) received the same treatment, and like the NPD, it received this treatment not only from the state, CDU/SPD that is, but also from the media and an endless array of paid up commentators/letter writers – such as you, MFritz?
“…it’s just a fake beacon to lure critical voters away from the real solutions (e.a. getting rid of the established parties and their lobbyist cronies) and towards the CDU….”
___ Bullocks! If the AfD is a fake to ‘ lure critical voters away from the real solutions’, *****then were would those critical voters go to?***** HMH??? Any answer? The CDU/Merkel perhaps? Or Schulz/SPD? HMH??? If it is “”just a fake”” as you pretend (by whom?) then why are the parties and the media so hysterical about them? Why is every party in the Bundestag trying every trick, no matter how phoney and **unconstitutional**, to merely PREVENT the AfD from speaking?
“…This is also the reason why the “sponsors” (rich industrials etc.) of the AfD remain in the dark. Else people wouldn’t believe the party even a little…”
___ BULLSHIT! That was one of the most primitive, unsubstantiated propaganda sweeps I have ever come across, practically SED/STASI style. Now you have shown what you really are.
To all JW readers:
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If you really wanted to know who funds the AfD, go to their website and find out – to the penny! The parties have to publish it. In Germany it is ***illegal*** for a political party to accept secret or ‘dark donations’. A party that does so is automatically banned from any election!!!
MFritz, was nice to learn what to think of you abd your contributions. I often wondered since you began to appear here…
MFritz says
Just read the link I posted above. Do some googling yourself. And if you’re German to – we’ll find out soon, where the AfD is heading. And I’m not holding my hat for the winds of change…
Wir haben die Merkel und ihren Verein noch bis zum Ende am Arsch. Mit oder ohne die AfD.
RichardL says
Nobody knows where the AfD is heading. But we know the party programme which is the result of online voting. Any young party has idiots and so does the AfD.
Agree to your German statement: Merkel is a monster and she will destroy Germany. Katharsis. I have left and am very happy about that.
DFD says
@ RichardL
“…Any young party has idiots and so does the AfD….”
Every young party? Wouldn’t call the CDU/SPD etc ‘young’… Same is true for the Tories, Labour etc. OK, OK, I know what you meant 🙂 Just couldn’t help myself. I think Reinhard May summed it all up with his song “Narren Schiff”.
Further, go to https://michael-mannheimer.net/2018/02/03/diktatur-deutschland-zdf-journalist-wolfgang-herles-wir-muessen-so-berichten-wie-es-frau-merkel-vorgibt/
and drop your jaw. That’s by a ZDF journalist!!! And look at his picture, this isn’t a junior writer.
Generally, you’ll find Mannheimer to be very informative, highly analytical and more into the politics and backgrounds than the daily massacre statistics on many or most other sites. Today’s headlines:
1 Das Ende des christlichen Abendlandes: Deutsche Unis gegen Christen
2 Dagestan: Sicherheitskräfte aus Moskau haben die gesamte muslimische Regierungsspitze festgenommen.
3 Neueste Umfrage: Das Ende der CDU als Volkspartei – Merkels Partei kurz vor Unterschreiten der 30-Prozent-Marke
By the same token, are you aware of conservo?
J D S says
MFrits…It appears that the only way that Germany might survive is this…..
Go with a new NAZI party, or even an old NAZI party, get a Hitler type to run it…Go at it as Hitler did, Brown shirts and all the works, maybe even a BEER HALL deal..Anyway..round up the JEWS maybe even the Muslims and “OTHERS” Spread out to conquer other European countries, they sure are RIPE for the taking. Then be conquered again by a coalition led by the U.S….and start all over again and then Germany might survive. Possibly even the whole of Europe might survive…… The problem though. .. …..Doubtful if the U.S. wants to loose more blood again saving a continent that has allowed to let itself fall as it has. So Sad!!!
Monty says
I’ve said a number of times that Islam’s rise mirrors the decline of the “Christian” church. Arthur Wagner’s response shows a total lack of understanding of what Christianity is. This is not surprising, as what used to be obviously Christian bears little resemblance to the real church as revealed in the bible. It is a tragedy, not just for the those who call themselves Christian, but for the society who has to live with the consequences of the failures of the church. It will turn around, someday, sometime. It’s what happens in between now and then that troubles me. Christians reading this! 2 Chronicles 7:14.
Joe says
I don’t think it turns around. Rather, it splits apart.
Lydia Church says
During the end times (now) the church as a whole apostasizes (now).
Not all who go by the name ‘Christian’ are, and many fall away.
It’s in 2 Thessalonians 2; 1-12 and other places.
Chris Malan says
This article appeared some time ago, too. Why repeat it?
Indiana Tom says
Slow News Day.
gravenimage says
It’s never a slow news day at Jihad Watch.
simpleton1 says
The first article on Arthur Wagner was written by Hugh Fitzgerald.
He wondered if there was enticement by woman, or blackmail, lucre or just dazzlement/nativity.
Eventually the truth will come out.
No mention of weakness and reasons of Church.
This article is Robert Spenser’s take on Arthur Wagner’s conversion with a few more reasons and details
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
No, Mr Spencer, Arthur wagner is now in complète comfort. He is no longer being possessed by the Satan (holy spirit) that causes mental instability as can be observed from the behaviors of mithraist christian biggots
Buraq says
@ Ibe muhammed
Hi habibi! Possessed by Satan? Mentally unstable? You must be talking about your prophet. He told people an angel had thrown him against a wall and commanded him to read. Then he said he flew on a winged horse to ‘the far Mosque’ and had a meal with Jewish prophets who had been dust for 2,500 years, at least! Then he claimed to have cut the moon in two and put it back together again.
Madness? Possessed by Satan? Your prophet was mad as a box of frogs and you’re a clown!
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Buraq, you must an ignorant idiot. Your mithraist jesus (not true Isa) was tempted by Satan for 40 Days according to mithraist Bible. was he mentally unstable due to Satan’s possession ?
Raja says
Satan always wants to show others in poor light as he is the father of darkness(where there is only evil and no God)
CRUSADER says
Blah, blah, blah, Mr Irritates !
don vito says
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Michael Copeland says
“Indeed, he is mad.”
“Surely he is possessed!”
“He is certainly insane”.
“Most surely he is mad.”
What those who knew him said about him.
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=68&verse=51
Abu taleb says
Any person who converts to Islam must be a real idiot who is ignorant of Quran and hadiths, or an evil person who loves pedophilia, murders, rapes etc. Or both.
CRUSADER says
Or is it “reverts” ?
Phil Copson says
Christopher Biggins is possessed by Satan ? – What are you on about, you silly little man?
Jack Dawkins says
ibrahim:
Please go blow yourself up for the glory of your arab masters
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Jack Dawkins, ï am pure Arab from both side now à Nigerian by Registration. No Arab is my Master whoever hé is.
CRUSADER says
How is Boko Haram doing there, Mr Irritates?
don vito says
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6woods says
How impressive – you’re “pure arab from both side”…no-one cares about your pedigree, or lack thereof. What some people might care about is that you’re a bottom-dwelling, scum-sucking, islamic-supremacist hypocrite. You’re perfectly fine with murder, rape, kidnapping, stoning, acid-throwing, bombing, slicing, forced conversion, etc., etc., as long as it’s muslims doing it to everyone else. You are the best of people, after all…your filthy, sick, repulsive “prophet” muhammad (camel piss be upon him) said so himself. And if any of your victims fight back, you and your ugly ilk howl like banshees. You weaklings and cowards can dish it out, but you can’t take it.
gravenimage says
The vicious Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
No, Mr Spencer, Arthur wagner is now in complète comfort. He is no longer being possessed by the Satan (holy spirit) that causes mental instability as can be observed from the behaviors of mithraist christian biggots
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Ibrahim itace muhammed believes that anyone who does’t want to throw gay people off buildings is “possessed by the Satan”. *Ugh*.
More, in reply to Buraq:
Buraq, you must an ignorant idiot. Your mithraist jesus (not true Isa) was tempted by Satan for 40 Days according to mithraist Bible. was he mentally unstable due to Satan’s possession ?
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Is Ibrahim itace muhammed confusing rejecting Satan with being possessed by him? That would hardly surprise…
don vito says
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Billy Chickens says
Filthy Islam was spawned from the filthy mind of the filthy Devil who told filthy Muhammad that he was Filthy Allah and to write his filthy words down in the filthy Quran.
Manos says
Germans have always been pro Islam, they supported the TURKS in WW1 to kill and exterminate Greeks, Armenians, Assyrians in Asia Minor. In WW2 they Support Muslim Albania, Muslim Bosnia, Muslim Tartans In Ukraine to kill and exterminate, Greek Orthodox Christians, Serb Orthodox Christians, Jews from Greece and other Balkan nations. During the break up of Yugoslavia Germany and its puppets supported Bosnian and Muslim terrorists to kill Serbs and steal their orthodox Christian lands.eg Kosovo, Bosnia. Now the Germans have screwed Greece to the wall with their austerity and imposing a leftwing dictatorship in Greece, opening the floodgates to Muslim invaders banked up on Greek
Islands, supporting Albania and Turkey claiming Greek lands.
andra says
It was Clinton who wanted Islam Bosnia as a seperate state. And it were the Greeks who voted for Tsipras and betrayed the Greek fiscal. The Germans are the idiots who pay for all other EU countries and not vice versa.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
manos, why skipping the most horrible genocidal killings by Christian serbs in the 80s ? you mean the Satan (holy spirit) says it is OK ?
gravenimage says
What is Ibrahim itace muhammed babbling about? There was no genocide in the ’80s.
As for genocide, he has said that he looks forward to taking part in the genocide of the Jews.
CRUSADER says
He is best called not by his full name but by his nomenclature moniker: Mr Irritates.
gravenimage says
I like your nickname for him, CRUSADER. 🙂
don vito says
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6woods says
Why not, ibby? Your disgusting filthy pig of a “prophet” tells you brain-dead islamic morons that murder is ok. Are you finally admitting that mohammed (gangrenous pus be upon him/it) is Satan? Uh oh…Allah won’t be pleased. No 72 raisins for you!
henrik jensen says
my comments are so piercing now somebody block me.
Westman says
This isn’t Yahoo…all ideas that don’t advocate violence get considered.
Those ideas may not be accepted by anyone, however, the freedom to express them provides the basis for a reasoned consensus. Not even Berkeley and Stanford universities can honestly make that claim – their gravitas has become dulling gravity.
CRUSADER says
You mean we shan’t consider violence of drone strikes?
Must read is:
“RISE and KILL FIRST”
(Secret History of Israel’s Targeted Assassinations)
by Ronen Bergman,
who did a great deal to get at the files of Mossad, etc.
Premise is this:
“If someone comes to kill you, rise up and kill him first”
All Israel take heed! All America take heed! Et cetera….
+++++++++
DEUS VULT
+++++++++
simpleton1 says
As one who knows how to keep a people virtuous, and safe from same-sex marriage, as mentioned in the post
all part of claiming to be victorious by terror
So also women in Iran need to keep their hijabs on, and for others no driving and keep that burka on.
Christian churches may have sold out, but it still beholds for Christians to be reasonable and have some tolerance, even as church and culture may regain its patriotism and strength
However to be ok with the regime of sharia law, whether atheist, buddhist, christian, etc. is a malevolent step to destruction, because islam can seek a hold and through terror over people.
henrik jensen says
islam in its current manifistation is that of a lost civilization. desperate. but there is a proximity to europe.there is a silent stream of ideologic support for a reemerging civilization of islam, witout its present totalitarian terroristic regiment. that is theoreticsl not refuted but with its endless babbling on beholding the truth, and total regressionist ideas back to the clear source, ( quran) , no civilization is emminent. how to overcome this worlds biggest trafficjam and deadlock in the likes of totalitarian knowing the only truth. germans latest only truth was that only blueyed tall nordic ppl, should surveive and take over the universe.this guy is not sensitive.
Milo says
As a Messianic Jew, I pray about such things and I find myself in a quandary over these matters. Then I realize I am Messianic and what makes me so is that I accept Yeshua as the Messiah and it is His teachings that I base my beliefs and follow in my life. He taught us to truly love and not to judge and “cast the first stone” for we have all sinned and fall short of the Glory of God.
Yeshua HaMashiac gave to us two Commandments that encompasses the Ten Commandments of Moses; love God above all things and love one another as He loves us. That love is for all butmost assuredly our enemies, for what reward is there in loving those who love you already.
Sadly, these lessons are lost in the majority of organized religions today as they point fingers and judge those that are their enemies (ones they view as not Christian). One who is gay is no greater a sinner than a straight Fornicaters. No one would ever come to Christ and repent if all they experience from so-called believers is hatred. It is truly sad Arthur Wagner turned from a faith of love to embrace an ideology of vile hatred because he truly had no understanding of the love of God. Faith in God should not be like a fraternity club that one can pick and choose in accordance to ones likes and dislikes or be a member of multiple frats, like the Moose, Elks, and Rotary.
Yeshua said He was the Way, the Truth, and the Life and that no one comes to the Father but through Him. To think otherwise, that there are multiple paths is calling the Messiah a liar.
simpleton1 says
“That love is for all but most assuredly our enemies”,
I take that it means we treat the “enemies” with justice, consistency, discipline, fairness, just as one should bring up a child. Not to be a door mat, or best friend, but so understanding, education can grow.
That is no easy task, as we must know ourselves, be strong, knowledgeable, and learn from history, to be able to do the right things, for the correct measure, so that the expression of that love can be seen..
To bring knowledge, with truth, tempered by love, and so reveal what Mohammad taught, expressed, actions and philosophy was. How that effect flowed into the islamic civilizations and lives of muslims.
It may be comparably easy to win a war, even very damaging, but the real part is to set up to win the peace.!
simpleton1 says
Like Manos, & henrik jensen wondering what is the underlying attraction.
An Islamised Germany is what Hitler wished for, not that Hitler thought that well of Arab peoples either.
It has been the malovency of Hitler, to bring destruction to Germany, to waste time and effort, of his armies and people in killing Jews, Gypsies, etc. when they could have been more effectively worked in labour camps for the war effort.
So the destruction of Germany through malevolent mayhem, as Hitler blamed the German people, fault for not giving and doing more.
It seems that the German people having been so pulverized, with the cross fertilization of cultural suppression of multi culti diversity political correctness are now unwittingly being readied to follow Hitler’s course and culture of becoming the leading light of islam.
Islam always makes the populations it takes over an offer they can not refuse, become muslim.
It may not only be Germany, but many others as history shows, that become taken by islam.
Phil Copson says
Obviously anyone named Wagner will be attracted to a religion with flying horses…..
(dum diddly-um-dum – dum-diddly-um-dum – dum-diddly-um-dum – diddly-um…..)
Terry Gain says
I accept homosexuality as a fact of life but I don’t agree with what I see as state sanctioned celebration of homosexuality. I never considered that killing homosexuals was an acceptable alternative.
6woods says
Alternative to what? I much prefer state sanctioned “celebration” of homosexuality to state sanctioned celebration of islam (a.k.a state sanctioned shoving of islam down everyone’s throat). And it’s completely bizarre that the two are happening simultaneously. Talk about cognitive dissonance!
mortimer says
MESSAGE TO ARTHUR WAGNER:
Textual analysis reveals that nowhere in the Koran is there an expression of the Golden Rule…therefore, it is of no importance in Islam and Muslims have no reason to observe it. Since Islam’s most important message to humanity (the Noble Koran) does not contain the Golden Rule, it is logical that it was unimportant to Allah. This explains why he entirely omitted it from the Koran. The Golden Rule is held to be central by all religions except Islam. Muslims are surprised to learn their faith does not teach it. Islam teaches dualist ethics, not the unitary, universal Golden Rule.
There is however, a very restricted version of the principle of reciprocity found in the Hadiths. The Hadiths are a non-binding collection of sayings and acts of Mohammed and his companions. They have much less authority than the Koran, but contain a version of the Golden Rule which applies only among “brother” Muslims. This Islamic “brotherhood rule” is not universal and does not apply to non-Muslims.
Islamic reciprocity is restricted to interactions between Muslim “brothers”. (An infidel is not to be addressed as “brother” by a Muslim.)
The Hadith quotes Mohammed as saying: “None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.” (Number 13 of Imam al-Nawawi’s “Forty Hadiths.)
Other Hadiths clarify the limitation of reciprocity to relations between Muslim brothers:
Bukhari 9,85,83 Mohammed said: “A Muslim is a brother to other Muslims. He should never oppress them nor should he facilitate their oppression.” (Note: but he may oppress infidels)
Bukhari 8,73,70 Mohammed said: “Harming a Muslim is an evil act; killing a Muslim means rejecting Allah.” (Note: but harming or killing an infidel is a mere misdemeanour.)
Finally, the Koran itself makes it clear that brotherhood applies only towards other Muslims: (Koran 48:29) : “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are harsh against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.”
Such a standard is no higher than that of the mafia or another similar “crime family”. Islam does teach this, and there is the proof of it.
Almighty Allah thought so little of the Golden Rule, that he entirely excluded it from his most important message to humanity.
Richard Courtemanche says
A fine example of a coward.
Raja says
The German leadership is hardly having any brains and to add to that a nut called Arthur wants to join the Satanic religion. There is something rotten in the whole Arthur narrative. How could he join the Satan’s party just because he doesn’t agree with so called churches that condonel evil. Aren’t there enough mainline churches or house churches that stick to the scriptures?
To me this guy is the biggest idiot on earth.
He doesn’t know anything about Christianity.He is equally guilty of not knowing the enemy, that is the vile Islam inspired by Satan himself.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Dirty primitive Hindu barbarian Raja, Idol worship is a form of insanity with Satan in Durga goddess and Dharma cracking your heads.
Sharyati says
Yeah and you stinking dried piece of Islamic pig shit follows a peadophile, slave owning, womanizing(He marries his own daughter in law), lecherous, man slaughtering, caravan raiding, prophet who reveals verses to his convenience as those got from that demon called Allah.
He was so naive that when he got the verses that said that the sky demon Allah had 3 daughters, he could not distinguish whether Satan put those words into his mouth or your sky demon!!! Anyway he says that Satan put those words into his mouth. Thus your prophet is a stupid deceived by him. And yet you call other gods/goddesses as Satan
We worship idols? So what do you do when you kiss that stone in Mecca? That stone is Allah? The entire Haj is a tradition stolen from the Arabs and there is nothing original in Islam except that raping, enslaving and killing kaffirs(AKAJihad) got the stamp of approval from your sky demon Allah!!
StellaSaidSo says
Well said, Sharyati.
You are right, there is very little in Islam that is original. If the Koran were published today, its authors would be charged with plagiarism. And with ‘hate speech’.
Jack Dawkins says
It’s as easy as 1-2-3
1 allah = satan
2 muhammad = murderer
3 izlam = death
CRUSADER says
Not friendly of Mr Irritates.
Bless the Hindus.
gravenimage says
The vicious Ibrahim itace muhammed hates Hindus just as he hates Jews and Christians and very other Infidel.
don vito says
-39
dhans says
I think he understands Christianity perfectly well. What he doesn’t like is that Jesus understands our imperfect nature, and destroys man’s ability to act in God’s name. Islam reverses that and allows man to be the arbitrator of morality again. This gives the individual a feeling of power and justice that Christianity denies him.
CRUSADER says
Huh?
Explain, s’il vous plaît.
dhans says
If you truly understand what is in the Old Testament, then you will also understand that what it teaches is not all that different from what is in the Koran. In many ways the Old Testament is actually more severe than the Koran (see Leviticus for Old Testament law).
Why don’t Christians act like muslims then? Because the New Testament has verses like: “Judge not, lest ye be judged” (Mathew 7:1) and also the story of the adulterous women about to be stoned, but saved by Jesus saying “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”. The effect of this is to deny Christians acting according to the Old Testament law where things such as adultery are punishable by death. Does Jesus overturn Old Testament law (ans: Matthew 5:17-18)? Yes and no, scribal law is overturned, so you no longer see animal sacrifices, dietary law, and also certain aspects of the civil law being followed. Much of what is moral law remains in effect, only without earthly consequence. This leaves the Christian only able to enforce moral law on himself. Call it a theocracy of one person, rather than a theocracy of the group. The Christian does believe he still has to answer for his moral shortcomings however.
What this has meant for various Christian churches is a topic for theologians rather than me, but from the above verses, that’s what I imperfectly understand. Are some Christians frustrated by not being able to act in God’s name and correct the moral shortcomings seen in the west? Judgment and punishment is passed unto the nation state’s law, but many view this in a democracy as the morality of the mob rather than an absolute moral law. Islam solves this for such individuals by giving man the ability to act in God’s name. In some regards, they see this as an improvement on the moral decadence of the law of the nation state.
CRUSADER says
Well, the Queer’an stole from passages from the Old Testament, and wanted to convey the power and glory and revelation of the New Testament….but Islam mainly got all of that so screwed up, and mixed up, along with combining pagan holdover beliefs to gain followers that all it amounted to was a way to promote conquest and a system of control over life,
not Liberty, not Choice, not Freedom.
Islam solves nothing, other than to take responsibility and choice and free will out from us, and place it in the hands of a Moon God, and the imams who are deluded or are wanting to control and manipulate their followers….who in effect are drones, mindless.
There are many more fine Jews than Muslims, and Jews aren’t likely to bring death on the world or convert by force or by guile or by stealth.
The Old Testament is NOT more severe than the Queer’an. Add that the Hadiths and Sira
are part of the Sunnah for Muslims (and non-Muslims) to study about Islam’s promotions and Moohamheadmad’s “example” to follow.
Robert Spencer and Mark Durie are very clear and expansive on how Islam out distances any notions of violence and strife “promoted” in the Bible. “Third Choice” by Durie,
and “Religion of Peace?” by Spencer.
If you want to evolve your though process, read those for starters.
Also, there is this:
Hadith, Sira and other important works | The Counter Jihad Report
https://counterjihadreport.com/hadith-sira-and-other-important-works/
Hadith The Hadith, second only to the Qur’an in importance and authority, are collections of Islamic traditions and laws (Sunna). This includes traditional sayings of Muhammed and later Islamic sages. By the ninth century over 600000 Hadith had been recorded; these were later edited down to about 25000.
dhans says
Read Deuteronomy 20:10 if you don’t think the Old Testament is severe.
CRUSADER says
Wagner resembles a visual blend of
Keith Ellison and Heinrich Himmler.
Ah, glorious!
Carolyne says
I don’t know anything about this guy, but I did notice he quoted the Koran and repeated the story of Lot. Isn’t he the guy in the bible who offered his daughters to be gang raped? Didn’t he have sex with his daughters? Not a good example of fatherhood and certainly not a paragon to use as an example to condemn homosexuality. What gave him the right to treat his daughters in this way? Sounds so Muslim.
I wish religions were not so fascinated with sex. Religions make it a sin and IMO it is a human activity and has nothing to do with sin or whether or not one is a good person so long as he doesn’t use it to harm someone. I frankly don’t care what homosexuals do. I doubt they care what I do.
dhans says
Because sex and functional, stable households consisting of a man and a women are necessary for the successful rearing of emotionally stable, functional children. Anything else causes problems with the institution and creates unstable societies. What is true may not seem obvious to us, but that does not make it less true.
gravenimage says
Carolyne, “Lut”–the Muslim Lot–is refered to in this Hadith:
The Prophet of Islam said: “Whoever you find committing the sin of the people of Lut, kill them, both the one who does it and the one to whom it is done”
This Muslim thug wants to kill gay people.
Peter Frohwein says
Does Arthur Wagner not understand you can STILL be a Christian and NOT support homosexuality or any other perversions from the far left ? I would even go further and say real Christians CANNOT support these perversions.
Peter Frohwein says
I would also add that real Christians love everyone including gays. Supporting the killing of gays or anyone who is sinning is anti-christian !
gravenimage says
Robert Spencer: Arthur Wagner Enters the Empire of Fear
………………….
He thinks gay parades are beyond the pale, but now supports Muslims raping women in the streets.
So much for Muslim “morality”.
Eric jones says
Iben Thranholm said that the West defeated Islam in the past because Europe had strong Christian values. Europe has become secular, the Christian values are not as strong as in the past. I don’t know if Mr. Wagner wants to through gays off buildings but i am sure that he observes the Christian Church being wishy- washy on so many issues.
For him maybe he needed what he considers to be the strong horse.
Eric
Bronson says
Wagner looks like a bloated version of Himmler.