To a Leftist, it is. My latest at PJ Media:
In a fury over Nikolas Cruz’s shooting rampage at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, Leftist filmmaker Michael Moore joined the chorus of voices on the Left blaming the NRA for the murders. He tweeted Friday: “The NRA is a terrorist organization. The media should speak of the NRA in the same way they do ISIS.”
Piling on the implausibility, he added: “Total ISIS-inspired deaths in US = 79. Thanks to the NRA & the politicians they buy, we’ve had 1.2 MILLION American gun deaths since John Lennon was shot dead in NYC #NRAKillsKids.”
Moore’s figures — 79 deaths “inspired” by ISIS, 1.2 million “thanks to the NRA,” — are a breathtakingly tendentious oversimplification. But even taking them at face value, his equivalence is absurd. Michael Moore demonstrates that he knows nothing about either the NRA or the Islamic State (ISIS).
After all, you remember when the NRA conquered all that territory and collected the jizya from non-NRA members. You remember when the NRA forced all those female non-NRA members into sex slavery. You remember the NRA’s series of grisly public beheadings. You remember when the NRA called upon its members to murder civilians in the U.S. and Europe by shooting them, or knifing them, or running over them with cars.
Does Michael Moore really not know about all this? Did he pay no attention to the news of ISIS’s atrocities when the group was at its zenith? It is much more likely that he simply doesn’t care about those atrocities — or more precisely, that he blames the United States for them.
Moore has made clear in a number of his works (notably Canadian Bacon, Fahrenheit 9/11, and Dude, Where’s My Country?) that he subscribes to a view common among Leftists: that the defense against the global jihad is merely an expression of American populism and economic imperialism (as well as of the Bush family’s ties with Saudi Arabia), and that if the big bad white Americans would just leave the jihadis alone, they would return the favor.
Moore’s likening of the NRA to ISIS is just the latest manifestation of the unconscious paternalism and ethnocentrism that mars so much of the West’s response to Islamic jihad. They assume that Muslims are passive, helpless people who can do nothing but react to what the West does or does not do.
The idea that Muslims may have ideas of their own — that some of them may hate us for reasons of their own that are derived from Islamic texts and teachings, and that such hatred cannot be dislodged by any amount of “respect” from non-Muslims — never seems to enter their minds. Oddly enough, those same paternalist and ethnocentrist assumptions have driven much of the U.S. foreign policy that Moore so disdains.
For years after 9/11, the U.S. showered billions of dollars on Afghanistan and Iraq, building schools and hospitals and roads and more. The U.S. did this because of the mistaken assumption that good will would be met with good will, and that we could essentially buy hearts and minds in the Islamic world with our munificence.
The South African Mufti Ebrahim Desai, the imam of an “Ask the Imam” feature at a Muslim question and answer site, was once asked this question (spelling and grammar as in the original):
The west is often criticised by Muslims for many reasons, such as allowing women go to work. But shouldnt the west also recieve praise because its always them who intervene when muslims r being tortured, they stopped Milosovic kiling muslims and sent their own troops to the country, they r usually the first to send aid when theres a flood, they r also intervening in Isreal and condeming them killing Muslims, so should we appreciate their efforts or not?
Desai’s answer was brief:
In simple the Kuffaar [unbelievers] can never be trusted for any possible good they do. They have their own interest at heart.
One man’s opinion? Sure. But it is an opinion with deep roots in Islamic tradition, and it would therefore be naïve to dismiss it as simply Desai’s own mean-spiritedness. The Qur’an tells Muslims:
[N]ever will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with you unless you follow their form of religion. (2:120)
Read the rest here.
mariam rove says
He is ISIS himself. This guy is despicable to say the least. M
mortimer says
MICHAEAL MOORE’s general method of attack has a name: the ‘STRAW MAN FALLACY’ … in which a false characterization of an idea is attacked, rather than the ORIGINAL IDEA ITSELF.
This allows Moore to POSE as morally superior, when, in reality, he is LYING ABOUT HIS TARGET and then PLACING HIMSELF on a pedestal he does not morally deserve… since he is a liar.
Christopher Hitchens lambasted Moore’s general dishonesty in the following terms:
“To describe (Fahrenheit 9/11) as dishonest and demagogic would be to promote those terms to the level of respectability. To describe this film as a piece of crap would be to run the risk of a discourse that would never again rise above the excremental…Fahrenheit 9/11 is a sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely disguised as an exercise in seriousness. It is also a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of ‘dissenting’ bravery.”
BC says
It is important to understand that the NRA is not about supporting the second amendment, though it may have begun that way; but its main interest today is supporting the gun industries’ ‘right’ to sell more and more guns as easily as possible. It is of course nonsense to claim that the NRA is like ISIS but it is the main force in encouraging the spread of guns. The claims about the 2nd are completely irrelevant, when the 2nd was passed guns were muzzle loading and made in small local workshops. The founding fathers could not in their wildest imaginings envisage the kind of assault weapons in the hands of civilians today. Post the Revolutionary War the Union was very vulnerable to attack and was attacked by the British, It could not afford to maintain a standing army, so citizens bearing arms was necessary. Today you have a militia, it is called the national guard as well as one of the largest and best equipped militaries in the world.
Those wishing to know the facts about guns in USA should read the article by Richard Slotkin in The Atlantic. The Fall into Guns Novemeber 2000
Naildriver says
You do those who crafted the second amendment a slander to assume that the government would have been more empowered to restrict the population from possessing a deterrent to its ever, rather mechanical, move to protect its power and desire to insulate itself from a populace hostile to it for a natural proclivity for corruption.
Then and now nothing has changed in the government’s natural tendency toward corruption.
Today as this Jihad Watch site shows with painful facts, a daily governmental collusion with venal and treasonous elements in the government itself, that would literally destroy the Constitution and allow bold enemies to freely infest all sectors of our society and government offices.
Guns will indeed play a part in reminding the government that it has an obligation to uphold the Constitution and defend its citizens from enemies, and the current enemy is Islam.
The government via traitors has betrayed it’s citizens. The militia the Constitution speaks of isn’t beholden to that or any other treasonous body, it is beholden only to the Constitution’s protection.
The National Guard is nothing more than an in house police force that answers to a currently corrupted goverment.
dhans says
The NRA is totally about supporting the 2nd amendment, and our founders belief in our God given rights to self defense (one of many such rights that the founding fathers felt were God given including freedom of assembly, freedom of speech, and equal treatment under the law). Please notice I said God given right, and understand the difference between a right that is given from government and one that is God given. A God given right cannot be taken away by man.
Please try to understand how hopeless any law enacted would be in stopping such crime. Even if you could magically make all guns in America disappear, events such as the one in the Paris nightclub still would happen. I understand your desire for all solutions to come from the government, but in this case they are not the solution but the problem. Please stop enabling them.
If the criminals can get access to such weapons, why would you deny the most law abiding gun ownership group in America (the NRA members) the right to self defense? The left’s push for gun registration and bans are nothing more that a bare naked push for political control and people like you want to enable them. STOP NOW!
Wellington says
Comes across to me, BC, among other errors you stated, that you want to make a distinction between the words “militia” and “people” as found in the Second Amendment. This is a huge error by you, perhaps even a dishonest one. At the very least it is stupid.
Mark Swan says
Yes, indeed Wellington, I Absolutely Agree—The Second Amendment allows all law abiding citizens to have and bear arms—it is a stroke of social genius—it allows for personal self defense and hinders a dictator.
gravenimage says
The Atlantic is often pretty anti-American.
J D S says
Coming out of the mouth of Moore…….nuf said!
Voytek Gagalka says
He is as stupid as he is fat. In fact, excessive layer of triglycerides in his body apparently must have contributed gravely to the state of his mind.
john spielman says
yup! drunk fat and stupid is no way to go through life, son!- to quote Dean Wormer “Animal House”
Snake Eater says
Michael Moore is a useful idiot, an apologist for the Red/Green Axis, a dhimmi, a moron, an idiot, a pathetic tool of the radical leftwing, a morbidly obese and ugly-as-hell poster boy for their alternate reality, their parallel universe, their upside down Bizarro World, in which the lunatic leftwing reside. Did I miss anything? What is really scary is that Moore and his fellow detached-from-reality leftwing nut jobs actually believe their own projectile vomited press releases!
Mike C says
Could not have said it better.
Snake Eater says
Thanks Mike C. Robert Spencer set the stage, quite eloquently I might add, allowing me to give it my best shot! 🙂
Bezelel says
That they actually believe their own BS and hate you if you don’t.
Sam says
Let’s not give credit to these useful idiots by responding to them. Really!!!
mortimer says
Mr. Moore,
When did the National Rifle Association:
1) run the largest SLAVE TRADE in history between 630AD and 2018?
2) murder 270 million people on the basis of having the ‘wrong’ religion?
3) treat women as slaves and personal property of men for time and eternity?
4) start major wars based solely on religion?
5) extort money from people based on religion?
6) advocate SECOND CLASS citizenship for 80-95% of all humans based on their religion?
7) force women through threats of beating to have genital mutilation, wear face covering veils, have sex on demand, obey every command of men no matter how extreme?
Hugo Lindum says
What about the treatment of homosexuals?
Women’s rights in courts?
Treatment of non muslims in Muslim societies today?
Muslim countries refusal to sign UN declaration on human rights?
mortimer says
OK, Hugo… you asked for it… copy and post:
Worst things about Islam: 1 No Golden Rule 2 No free speech 3 No democracy 4 Jihad – holy war of supremacism 5 Honour killings 6 Taqiyya – sacred lying 7 Taqlid – group think 8 Circular reasoning 9 Misogyny – repression of women 10 Rape of kafirs as jihad prizes 11 Genocide 12 Ethnic cleansing 13 Al-Walaa wal-Baraa – Islamic apartheid 14 Torture 15 Plundering 16 Cruel and unusual punishments 16 Backwardness – stagnation 17 Violence against women 18 Slavery 19 Discriminatory Sharia law 20 Hatred of the arts 21 No music 22 Pedophilia disguised as child marriage 23 Fifty generations of cousin marriage and genetic defects 24 Cruelty to animals 25 Extortion tax to humiliate disbelievers 26 No historic basis 27 Anti-intellectual obscurantism 28 FGM 29 Arab racism 30 Theocratic totalitarianism 31 Vigilantism 32 Amoral, opportunistic character of Mohammed that all Muslims must imitate 33 Hatred of non-Muslims as an essential doctrine 34 History of Islam includes the genocidal murders of 270 million non-Muslims in Islamic holy wars, terrorism, persecutions and enslavement directed against non-Muslims.
Yogi says
Disgusting overweight ugly , idiot , with this stupid ideas , try to make money if this bullshit He is spreading..
Westman says
I heard an idea Moore could use for another money-making movie. It involves himself and a giant lizard that breathes fire, swats down airplanes, walks through arching power lines, and flattens buildings. In the ending, a giant Moore kills the lizard with a blast of toxic breath, retires, and hangs out with friends who call him Jabba.
dhans says
I will be cheering for the lizard. Oh wait, that pretty much describes Michael as well.
Samer Ibrahim says
If this kind of crimes in America continues, then one can’t but say that NRA is doing the job for Isis. In other words, if those massacres continue in America, then ISIS doesn’t need to carry out terrorists attacks against American citizens in the future. Something must be done in order to prevent or stop those massacres. Enough is enough_ By allowing everyone to buy any kiind of weapon, America has made a mockery of itself.
WPM says
Samer Ibrahim {Ibrahim itace muhammed left wing America brother from another mother}
You miss the point the NRA is not about allow everyone to have weapon , ISIS is about conquering the world for Islam. It is about death or enslavement of all nonbelievers. It is on the same level as Nazism to compare it to the NRA to ISIS cheats the people who want gun control by making them a mockery of their cause by comparing Nazis to legal gun owners. Gun control will be tighter in the future but it cause is mocked by Fat Moore getting news and print air time farting out his left wing lies. America is a land of laws ,in Europe many terrorist attacks with fully Automatic weapons even with European harsh gun laws. In England the even have a lot of laws on carrying knives .It does not stop the Islamics from killing and cutting peoples heads off.
Stop Kafirophobia says
That man is nothing but a big bag of beer farts and sauerkraut.
Wellington says
But here’s the worst of it: This monumental fool, Michael Moore, is quite representative of how the Left looks at matters overall.
Conclusion: What really threatens the West first and foremost is not Islam. No, Islam is the secondary threat. The primary threat is what has become the majority on the Left side of the political spectrum.
And people like Alan Dershowitz need to wake up and cease thinking that distinguishing between Liberalism and Leftism is anywhere near enough. No, old-fashion Liberalism has been co-opted by Leftism and the common thread here between old-fashion Liberalism and Leftism is that the former opened the door to the latter by 1) wanting more government; and 2) embracing, more or less, silly ideas like political correctness and multiculturalism.
Time is WAY OVERDUE to understand that old-fashion Liberalism has morphed into Leftism and this is the reason why I prefer to distinguish not between Liberalism and Leftism but rather between old-fashion Liberalism and modern Liberalism, thus indicating the connecting link. I would contend my assessment is crucial to comprehending what has really happened to the West over the past half century or so.
Yes, just saying you are a liberal but not a leftist simply doesn’t cut it. Not even close.
mortimer says
Michael Moore’s STRAW MAN FALLACY is absurd with many unanswered questions. If NRA is a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION (using terror to reach a political goal)…
1) what is the group being TERRORIZED by NRA?
2) what is the political goal of NRA?
3) what actual TERRORISM is NRA organizing and producing
… or is all that merely in the FANTASY of Moore? WHEN DID ANYONE EVER ACCUSE NRA of an act of TERRORISM and when did NRA CLAIM to be the source of an act of terrorism? (crickets)
Meanwhile, ISIS has performed and taken CREDIT for many acts of terrorism.
Well? (crickets)
Cheer Bear Girl says
Michael Moore is a joke of a man. His dumb rhetoric isn’t worth entertaining. Gun ownership is the reason why the United States will remain a free country and an essential detriment to any would be terrorist in our land. Anyone who wants to disarm us intends to oppress us.
MFritz says
There must be a political career around Michael Moore wants so desperately. Too bad he’s too white, too male and too old for the Democrats and their fringe allies.
Charles T Lawson says
I like the initials on his cap SF , Shoot First ?
FYI says
Seriously Fuc…
dhans says
Short and Fat.
FYI says
Michael Moore is worse that Typhus.
Screeminmeeme says
Jabba the Hutt speaks.
Like we care.
Lorensacho Byzantine says
The NRA has enabled the murder of far more people than ISIS. That’s a fact. Of course Michael Moore is Satan to gun lovers.
gravenimage says
Uh huh…
Mark Swan says
Lorensacho Byzantine, Can You Please Try To Explain How Your Statement Above, Is A Fact?
WPM says
Over 30000 people died in car accidents lets ban cars ! Alcohol kills more people through illness, accident ,violent crime ,then guns and cars together lets ban alcohol! Michael Moore can make a lot of money selling books movies on his stand against guns .Guns kill people how many legal own guns kill people? How many suicides are by guns that if a gun was not there another method would be used? Should there be more gun control in my opinion yes ,but to grand stand with stupid statements calling legal law abiding gun owners terrorist is stupid. The NRA is a lobby group , there are lobby groups for gun control also. The NRA is not lobbying for murder ,alcohol lobby are not lobbying for violent crimes, DWI, or other things by people under the influence of alcohol. Lets be adult about this laws shift slowly ,we cannot give up freedom for safety if we do we not have either one.
Walter Sieruk says
Moore only exposed his own extreme ignorance by saying such a fool statement.
Geppetto says
Why does this bozo get so much attention??
Politicianophobia says
Marc Lepine, born Gamil Gharbi, son of an abusive, Algerian, immigrant, Rachid Liass Gharbi, shot and killed 14 women in Montreal in 1964. No mention of his Muslim father or his name change in the press. After a few years of the bleeding hearts calling for change in Canada because of the mass shooting, the laws were changed as non-restricted, restricted and prohibited. After the shooting at the Quebec mosque, on January 29, 2017, that nobody seems to know what did happen, and still no trial, the bleeding hearts cried Islamophobia and Pakistiani born, Muslim member of parliament, Iqra Khalid, a back bencher, introduced, the blasphamy M-103 on February 15, 2017.
gravenimage says
Yes–it took years for me to find out this was a Jihad terror attack.
Politicianophobia says
Canadians will be told on March the 21rst the results of the M-103 study. Any bets ha ha ha ha ha–Muslim-Islam horse pucky.
Politicianophobia says
I do wish they would all go to hell and take Justine and Melanie Joly with them.
Politicianophobia says
I urge all Canadians to vent now before the Gestapo–pink hats come for you.
John (Jean) Pierre says
My God this man has become repulsive looking : ugly bitter content seeping from an ugly bitter visage.
DO SOMETHING ABOUT YOURSELF Moore before attending to everybody else’s failings, spend time critiquing then improving yourself.
He looks like a badly dressed overstuffed scarecrow wearing grandma’s wig.