This is the foolish modern West at its most foolish. No doubt the highest officials in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan are today quaking in fear and drafting legislation to repeal Pakistan’s blasphemy law, because the Colosseum was lit in red. And watch out: if the Pakistanis don’t jump to repeal the blasphemy law, they’ll bring out the big guns: they’ll paint St. Peter’s Square red, too.
“Rome’s Colosseum turned red to protest Pakistan blasphemy law,” by Philip Pullella, Reuters, February 24, 2018:
(Reuters) – Rome’s ancient Colosseum was lit in red on Saturday in solidarity with persecuted Christians, particularly Asia Bibi, a woman condemned to death under Pakistan’s blasphemy laws….
The Catholic woman has been living on death row in Pakistan since 2010, when she was condemned for allegedly making derogatory remarks about Islam after neighbors objected to her drinking water from their glass because she was not Muslim.
Human rights groups such as Amnesty International say the blasphemy law is increasingly exploited by religious extremists as well as ordinary Pakistanis to settle personal scores.
Walter Sieruk says
The only real reason that Muslim nations, as Pakistan, have “blasphemy laws” enacted is because Islam, with its many falsehoods, is such a weak and fragile religion that it can stand up to or hold up to criticism, at all. No matter how very mild those criticisms might be.
Peter says
Is one of your shoes slipping off Walter?
CRUSADER says
Why would one of his shoes slip off?
gravenimage says
What are you trying to say, Peter? Walter is correct.
Gjallarhornet says
What was wrong with his comment? It was obviously just very good. Islam cannot exist unless backed up by internal threats. Their own top dogs openly say so themselves.
So what is supposed to be wrong here?
Charlie Martel says
I assume Walter meant to say “can’t” rather than “can”.
Terry Gain says
Funny, I read it as if he had.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
walter, mithraist christians and evil Jews are not making objective criticism against islam as Muslims do to pagan doctrines of christianity líke Godman and begotten son of God infused in christianity. you resort to mere insults ,lies and nastiness against Islam.
gravenimage says
The vile Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
walter, mithraist christians and evil Jews are not making objective criticism against islam as Muslims do to pagan doctrines of christianity líke Godman and begotten son of God infused in christianity. you resort to mere insults ,lies and nastiness against Islam.
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What Walter Sieruk has to say is objectively true–any creed that has to resort to imprisoning and murdering people who dare to criticize an idea *is* weak.
And note that Ibrahim itace muhammed is saying that lying about other faiths and not backing it up with any reference–such as his endless claims that Christianity is actually a minor Roman military cult or that Jews worship an ancient Near Eastern pagan mother goddess–is “objective” is just absurd.
And no–threatening to murder people is *not* objective criticism. Is it any wonder that a pious Muslim like Ibrahim itace muhammed does not know what “objective” means?
Carolyne says
There was a time when Christians (Catholics, of course as they were the only Christians at the time) resorted to torture and death for minor infractions of their faith. The Auto de fe is a prime example. Also, when Protestantism came along, Catholics were persecuted in England and even today, a Catholic may not be heir to the throne. When Mary Tudor became queen, Protestants were murdered and there is even a memorial in the middle of the street in Oxford where Bishop Fisher and others were martyred.
But Christianity has progressed in humanity and these acts no longer take place, nor would civilized law allow them. Today, true Christianity seems to endeavor to follow Christ’s example. Islam, however has not changed from the barbaric, bloody, inhumane creed that it was and is today. Centuries of first-cousin marriage have deformed their brains to the extent that they are unable to progress.
If one wishes an example, look no further than Ibrahim.
gravenimage says
Carolyne, there is not doubt that some Christians have done terrible things.
But violence is not part of Christian teachings–would that we could say that of Islam.
Richard says
Beautifully put!
LeftisruiningCanada says
Ibrahim,
While you repeat your idle false nothings,
People are dieing because of the teachings of mohammad.
Does that ever occur to you?
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Leftruinigcanada, because of the inspirations from the Satan in mithraist Bible, mass killings (genocides) ,ethnic cleansing, colonisation and deprivations of nations by mithraist christians have been going on.
Alain Barchichat says
I believe a prophet should be named according to the religion he espouses , so what do you think of mohamerde? It is much more representative of islam, don’t you think?
LeftisruiningCanada says
So Ibrahim, i’ll take your return to form, and the avoidance of making a sensible reply, as a sign that you admit mohammad was a disgusting murdering scum bag.
Why don’t you show me where Christ taught His followers to do those things you mentioned, before you attempt to make poorly thought out comparisons to your prophet of evil….
gravenimage says
“Deprevations”–Ibrahim itace muhammed has made this ludicrous claim before–that if it were not for Christian nations that Muslims would dominate the world, enslaving everyone else.
Of course, he has never said why this would be a good thing…
Terry Gain says
Ibrahim
How many virgins are you expecting to have in Islamic paradise.
gravenimage says
He’s not going to wait–he has affirmed that Muslims can rape Infidels in Jihad and use them as sex slaves.
Raja says
Ibrahim, you are either ignorant or just hell bent on spewing venom about Christianity exactly like your brethren of Islam.
Unlike Islam, the Bible does not incite violence or any kind of hatred. The violent history is reported as truth AND how much God hates transgression of HIS law.
Nowhere does the Bible command colonization or other evil practices.Jesus the perfect man and God incarnate divided the domain of God from the king. The more you compare Bible and koran you will understand that Islam is an antithesis of God.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Raja, mithraist Bible incite genocidal killings and the carriedout during crusade wars. was that not example of violence ?
gravenimage says
The Crusades were defensive wars against Islam.
Ibrahim itace muhammed has aid before that Infidels have no right to defend against Jihad.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Again, Ibrahim, you clearly agree with us that mohammad was a disgusting murdering scum bag who taught his half witted brawling followers to wage war upon anyone outside of their tribe.
What else can we think, when all you do is avoid answering properly?
Gjallarhornet says
Oh, and by the way: Hail Mithras! and Hail the evil United Staes! Mithras will triumph!
Champ says
+100 😀
Carolyne says
Too funny.
gravenimage says
Ha ha
LeftisruiningCanada says
devil mithra devil trump evil mithra devil i refute you thus.
IIM
westpacwill says
The Crusades are tarred by historians for something they were not. At the time they were launched first in 1095, Islam had conquered 2/3 of the previously Judeo-Christian world, and Islamic armies continued their attempts to conquer and occupy all of Europe. Certainly, 400 years of not dispatching armies against Islam was long overdue. Crusaders were manned by heroes and rogues, like every other army in the world, and tainted by popes and kings who attempted to profit from them, true enough. But there is no need for the Christian world to consider apologizing to Islam for the Crusades, not then, not now, and not ever.
gravenimage says
+1
LeftisruiningCanada says
+1
Save Europe says
Very true indeed.
Hugh Fitzgerald says
Here’s a better idea if you are an Italian in Italy.
First, buy a few copies of Magdi Allam’s just-published “Il Corano senza veli”(The Qur’an Unveiled) — one to read, others to give away to those who might profit from such a book.
”””””””””””
Second, vote for Matteo Salvini’s La Lega party (formerly La Lega Nord). Whatever his faults, he has promised to shut down all illegal mosques in Italy, leaving only a handful of legal ones.And sometimes, in his speeches, he seems to suggest he is prepared to shut them all down. Either way will be a great improvement.
Every week another new political party is announced in Italy, Vote only for those parties, such as La Lega, that make decreasing the menace of Islam a main part of their program.
cyrus basile says
In Italy it cannot entitle a square or a street to the great writer Oriana Fallaci figured if they do this to Magdi Allam, you loved most Americans Oriana Fallaci that Italians, now ten years after his death someone from the center right admits that he was right on Islam. Remember what he wrote after eleven September on an American newspaper? The Rage and pride, that phrase has become a sacred amercani you
PRCS says
I have two of her books (rage and pride, force of reason).
gravenimage says
+1
WPM says
Is this election coming up in early March?
cyrus basile says
yes 4 march
Isntlam says
No, of course this won’t mean anything the Pakistanis.
But it’s amazing to see the Vatican actually acknowledging there is any kind of problem with Islam.
Isntlam says
No, of course this won’t mean anything to the Pakistanis.
But it’s amazing to see the Vatican actually acknowledging there is any kind of problem with Islam.
CRUSADER says
Good point.
gravenimage says
I don’t believe this was the Vatican–the Colosseum is not in the Vatican. City of Rome? Nation of Italy? Does anyone know specifically?
Carolyne says
I don’t think the Vatican has anything to do with the Colosseum. The Vatican is an independent state to itself and Rome is not a part of it. I do not believe the heretic Pope Francis would have anything to do with this.
Emilie Green says
Rome’s learning. It’s at Step 4,
http://www.parsonrob.com/emergency-plan-for-the-next-muslim-terrorist-attack-in-europe.html
CRUSADER says
Funny link!
Weirdly true, too.
Gjallarhornet says
This is pointless, and western shallowness. It it not possible to disagree with Spencer here.
These things are put right by cold, hard political pressure. That is where the arena for the decisions are. Or on the battlefield, if things get to the extremes.
There is no point in lighting up a building in different colors, in a country where the pope is an appeaser of the most spineless kind.
Want to see proof of how superficial it all is? Just change the light bulbs and the effect is all gone. Lighting up things is more than basically … a great *nothing*. It dosen’t even mark the building for posterity.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Agree with your point, but it’s better than green lights 🙂
Gjallarhornet says
Or white … for surrender.
Carolyne says
This is somewhat akin to teddy bears placed at sites of mass murders. It has no effect.
Gjallarhornet says
Agreed.
CRUSADER says
Isn’t it the thing with ISIL, Islamists, Jihadi
that the Vatican is to be over-run with blood?
(After the refusal of conversion and also of jizya.)
Gjallarhornet says
Yes, and as a such, if we want to be mean, we can see this project as a sort of prophecy and a homage to the people they claim to fight, instead of an awareness raising campaign throwing money out the window.
CRUSADER says
That’s how I “saw” it, literally, upon first “seeing” it.
underbed cat says
Blue would really piss them off…or a lighted picture of the God Father Don Corleon…I am sure they could assist..or put them on Gladiator call. Maybe he was calling them weak like fragile…….or a black bird…
Gjallarhornet says
How about making the lights form crosses, bouncing up and down all over the Colosseum? And since such big lighting machines are unstable to hold stuff, they might bounce forth and back a bit, maybe happening to plant a lighted cross or two on some nearby mosque? Ops!
Now, that ought to get somebodys blood pressure up …
LeftisruiningCanada says
Are you not entertained?
Renee says
Agree, at least it is some form of protest.
David says
I wish the UK government would do something similar.
The awful truth says
Yes. Sadiq Khan lighting up Trafalgar Square as the first Muslim mayor?
Champ says
“(Reuters) – Rome’s ancient Colosseum was lit in red on Saturday in solidarity with persecuted Christians, particularly Asia Bibi, a woman condemned to death under Pakistan’s blasphemy laws….”
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Asia Bibi must be feeling great comfort from this …”thanks guys, this really helped me” ..sarc
dumbledoresarmy says
If the Pope had any guts he would pay an official visit to Pakistan. And as soon as he got there he would do the rounds of every Catholic church… and he would *demand*, of the Pakistani Head of State, that he be permitted to visit Asia Bibi in prison and celebrate the eucharist for her, in her prison cell.
And then if they refused to let him pay her a pastoral visit he would denounce their wickedness and cruelty loudly and incessantly and demand that Catholics the world over put pressure on their governments to press Pakistan – by measures such as the cutting-off of aid, trade embargo, and similar measures – to release her and to cease from abusing the human rights of Christians and of other non-Islamic minority groups.
And if he *was* permitted to visit her.. then he would carry out the pastoral visit, administering communion to this courageous confessor of Christ; and *then* he would … denounce the wickedness and cruelty of Islamic Pakistan loudly and incessantly and demand that Catholics the world over put pressure on their governments to press Pakistan to release her and to cease from abusing the human rights of Christians and of other non-Islamic minority groups.
gravenimage says
I would *love* to see this.
PRCS says
Asia Bibi central to trade deals, EU tells Pakistan
https://www.worldwatchmonitor.org/2018/02/asia-bibi-central-to-trade-deals-eu-tells-pakistan/
Jack Diamond says
Maybe something is finally going to happen for Asia Bibi after 8 years, though the demand should concern the law itself (in the name of Asia Bibi)–with the question of any trade deals with Pakistan a whole other matter…
Things seem to have changed since two years ago. So, now the Pope receives the husband and daughter of Asia Bibi and says he thinks of her often? Two years ago he had nothing to say to her husband and daughter when they made the trip to Rome and were in his receiving line:
“In the fleeting encounter along the barriers – as can be seen in the video – the pope brushes past the two, accompanied by the children’s tutor. He does not listen to them, he does not speak, he does not bless them. The girl looks at him with amazement at such coldness. Everything takes place as if the name of Asia Bibi means nothing to Francis…next to their little daughter is Ignacio Arsuaga, founder of the humanitarian association HazteOir.org. Who tried uselessly to tell the pope, in Spanish, who the man and his daughter were, not even succeeding in handing him the dossier he wanted to give him.”
http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1351264?eng=y
This, after the letter Asia Bibi had written to him:
“I am holding tightly onto my Christian faith and trust that God my Father will defend me and give me back my freedom. I also trust in you, Holy Father Francis, and in your prayers. Pope Francis, I know you are praying for me with all your heart. I know that, thanks to your prayer, I could be set free. In the name of the Almighty Father and his glory, I thank you for your support in this moment of suffering and disappointment. My only hope is that I will one day be able to see my family reunited and happy again. I believe that God will not abandon me and that he has a plan of happiness and well-being for me, which will come into being very soon. I am grateful to all Christians across the world who are praying for me and doing everything to help me.”
While Benedict had called for her release, Francis would not speak her name. Now, apparently, he’s changed his tune, as if 2016 never happened. Guess this is progress, as Asia Bibi gets closer to a decade in prison.
Funny how the objections to the blasphemy laws center upon how they are “misapplied” (to settle scores, make false accusations) rather than the very idea of a blasphemy law or it’s origins in Islam.
As if it might be okay to kill someone for legitimately insulting a dead man and his creed.
gravenimage says
Glad to hear this, PRCS and Jack.
dumbledoresarmy says
Those of us who identify as Christian must pray, and pray, and pray, and never give up; and apply what pressure we can .
I have never forgotten Asia Bibi.
gravenimage says
The whole world should be up in arms over this case.
Gjallarhornet says
Just light the building up in white … for surrender. Once that is done, light it up in green, and it’s all over.
JawsV says
Fine. Now, how about getting the Allah-worshipers out of Italy? The invaders don’t belong there.
concerned citizen says
Pointless! It probably is a case of “too little, too late”! But it is better than nothing.
If it is true that Pope Francis has received Asia Bibi’s husband and daughter, it is possible he is beginning to stop being voluntarily blind to the evil of Islam, May it be so! And specially, may his successor be better. God help us,
Has this Pope forgotten what, for example, St thomas Aquinas (among others) wrote about Islam? Perhaps he just doesn’t know it… He isn’t like Pope Benedict who was a very erudite theologian. By the way, I’m catholic, but Church Doctrine tell us the Pope is not INFALLIBLE when he speaks about politics. There are many of us who just don’t accept his word about such matters. We should agree with him only under well defined restrictions and conditions, which is not the case when he speaks about Islam (not a religion, but an ideology).
Lydia Church says
So far, this pope has been only fallible, no matter what he speaks about.
Carolyne says
No human is infallable no matter the subject. Nonsense.
Lydia Church says
As for the event, several things can be noted.
1. On the surface, it looks like a step in the right direction, at least as far as acknowledgement goes. That is a first step. I do want to recognize that. However, I don’t anticipate a second step, actually following with action and stronger words.
2. It is a public relations move, there has been a lot of criticism about the pope not speaking out against persecution of Christians and not doing enough to help them, and to the contrary, favoring their enemies. So at best this is double-talk.
3. I think the symbolism goes deeper than what it claims to be. Like one commenter said, and I mentioned last time, it might signal a sort of invitation of an ‘open season’. As we know, many early Christians were martyred in the Colosseum and their blood was shed there. Maybe this is a call for more of the same.
4. Despite all of that, WE can use it as news for the purpose of shedding light on the real issues of the persecution against Christians in places like Pakistan.
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RodSerling says
The lighting up of the Colosseum is not the problem. The problem is that those with the power to do something about the problem aren’t doing anything. Even if there were so much international coercion on Pakistan that they revoked their blasphemy laws, and somehow convinced their nearly 200 million Muslims (roughly 97% of their population) not to enforce them, this wouldn’t be enough to solve the problem in the long term. The West itself is becoming more Islamized by the day. The Muslim voting block grows larger, the original non-Muslim population gets smaller. In 30 to 50 years, would the West be able to maintain its pressure on Pakistan? I doubt it, unless we make large-scale drastic changes in what would be, in historical terms, a short period of time.
One could dismiss all awareness-raising and even educational efforts on this vital issue as foolish and useless, in the West, if these efforts are not tied to two programs of action: Ending most if not all Muslim immigration, and removing most Muslims from Western countries. If we don’t do these two things, we might as well just whistle in the dark. There is even majority support among Europeans and Americans for stopping Muslim immigration. The challenge is to get our authorities–who are overwhelmingly and strongly opposed to ending Muslim immigration–to actually implement these policies.
dumbledoresarmy says
“…two programs of action: Ending most if not all Muslim immigration, and removing most Muslims from Western countries. If we don’t do these two things, we might as well just whistle in the dark. There is even majority support among Europeans and Americans for stopping Muslim immigration. The challenge is to get our authorities–who are overwhelmingly and strongly opposed to ending Muslim immigration–to actually implement these policies.”
YES.
And getting a stop put to Muslim immigration is going to be easier than getting authorities to *remove* the damn mohammedans already present (which would have to include those persons of ‘native’ western stock who have betrayed their non-Islamic ancestors, by *converting* to Islam; such persons would have to be defined as traitors, and sentenced to lifelong exile).
gravenimage says
Rome’s Colosseum turned red to protest Pakistan blasphemy law
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Maybe my standards are too low, but I’m glad to see anyone in the West speaking out against this. Hell, most of them don’t even notice it. So–kudos (of a sort, at least) to Italy here.
CRUSADER says
Any attention is at least acknowledgement of awareness, or some modicum of it.
Good point.
Awareness can lead to alertness….etc….
Once we learn more, we care more, and thereby defend more.
Green Infidel says
Somehow I can’t see such a gesture ever happening in Britain, where anyone proposing it would probably be dismissed as a ‘phobe… so while it’s only symbolic, it’s still something – and perhaps will motivate some curious onlookers to find out the story of Asia Bibi.
Carolyne says
In England, anyone proposing such an act would be arrested for “Hate speech.”
sidney penny says
“Rome’s Colosseum turned red to protest Pakistan blasphemy law”
Better still stop giving money/aid /arms to them
dumbledoresarmy says
“Better still stop giving money/aid /arms to them”.
YES.
Does Italy give any ‘aid’ to Pakistan? If they do, then it could be stopped. Italian jihadwatchers could press their government to end whatever jizya – er, ‘aid’ – it pays to Pakistan.
gravenimage says
Foolishly so, DDA:
“Pakistan: New aid from Italy”
https://www.esteri.it/mae/en/sala_stampa/archivionotizie/approfondimenti/2010/08/20100824_pakistan_aiutiitalia.html
Terry Gain says
And it has the added benefit of being one of the Pope’s two favourite colours. The other one is green.
CRUSADER says
Iran Rev-Guard threatens to turn Tel Aviv RED….by nuke strike….
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/269419/deadly-threat-iran-kenneth-r-timmerman
If that happens, the only upside would be that many of the Lefty / Libtard Israelis will vanish….
making way for the strident and stalwart of that nation to bolster their defenses…
* * *
Raja says
Not just Asia Bibi, there are so many persecuted communities. There must be some semblance of order in the Islamic world and the West must do more to make that happen.
It is sad that the Western leaders have helped eradicate human liberties and freedom through modern day slavery of PC and MC.
Older Canadian says
Will they do the same thing when canada’s PM trudeau and his liberal government pass M-103 into law?
LeftisruiningCanada says
Nah…they’ll turn the CN tower into the largest adhan-broadcasting minaret in the world as a celebration.
Mary says
Only Christians from countries that have blasphemy laws should be given permission to enter Western nations. All aid to these countries should be stopped. Expose all crimes. These are the real solutions to help persecuted Christians.
Aya says
As a Pakistani, it is shameful to know the country created for the purpose of religious freedom and in the name of Islam, has developed a constitution which itself is unIslamic. The blasphemy laws in Pakistan give anyone the power to blame others, insinuate riots, and give undue punishment to innocent people. These laws forbid any sort of critical discussions from taking place in the country, hence halting the education and understanding of it’s own citizens. We are forced to follow mullahs and everything they say, rather than understand religion ourselves.
gravenimage says
Aya wrote:
As a Pakistani, it is shameful to know the country created for the purpose of religious freedom and in the name of Islam, has developed a constitution which itself is unIslamic.
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With all respect, this is ridiculous. Pakistan drove out, persecuted, and slaughtered Infidels from the very beginning.
And if you look at history, there is *nothing* unIslamic about oppressing non-Muslims–in fact, there is nothing so Islamic as this.
More:
The blasphemy laws in Pakistan give anyone the power to blame others, insinuate riots, and give undue punishment to innocent people. These laws forbid any sort of critical discussions from taking place in the country, hence halting the education and understanding of it’s own citizens. We are forced to follow mullahs and everything they say, rather than understand religion ourselves.
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This is, I’m afraid, also mainstream Islam.