“Our Muslim soldiers are undertaking their fight in line with Islam’s principles. That is why they are moving slowly in Afrin. They are moving with the conscience of not causing even one person’s nose to bleed; after all, this is Islam’s order.”
In reality, the Turks are moving slowly in Afrin because of mountains and mud, and because the Kurds are fighting back hard, shooting down two Turkish helicopters within a twelve-hour span.
But anyway, who is Ali Erbaş trying to kid? He says: “All our conquests in history were undertaken to prevent oppression. Our soldiers fire their bullets against oppressors, to protect those oppressed.” This risible statement proceeds from the assumption that all non-Sharia government constitutes “oppression”; in reality, as I detail in abundance in my forthcoming book The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS, throughout history jihadis launched unprovoked attacks against non-Muslim lands solely because they were non-Muslim. These attacks were often characterized by unimaginable brutality. Ali Erbaş is relying on Infidels not knowing this history, and indeed, most don’t, and wouldn’t even believe it if they were told.
“Turkish soldiers advancing slowly in Afrin to fight in line with Islamic ethics: Top religious body head,” Hürriyet Daily News, February 11, 2018 (thanks to David):
Turkish soldiers are advancing slowly in Syria’s Afrin district to avoid harming civilians in the area, according to Religious Affairs Directorate (Diyanet) head Ali Erbaş.
“Our Muslims [sic] soldiers are undertaking their fight in line with Islam’s principles. That is why they are moving slowly in Afrin. They are moving with the conscience of not causing even one person’s nose to bleed; after all, this is Islam’s order,” Erbaş said on Feb. 10 during a speech at the Orhan Gazi Culture Center in the western province of Sakarya’s Adapazarı district.
“All our conquests in history were undertaken to prevent oppression. Our soldiers fire their bullets against oppressors, to protect those oppressed. Our soldiers are clashing for this, because there are terror organizations there, and they are constantly oppressing,” Erbaş said.
Speaking about the “exploitation of Islam by various groups like Boko Haram, al-Shabab, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant [ISIL] and the Fethullahist Terrorist Organization [FETÖ],” he said they can be tackled by giving people the “right knowledge on religion.”
“If we do not undertake our duties at this point, then we will face groups that are promoted as religious formations but which later turn into terror organizations. How did ISIL, Boko Haram, al-Shabab, and FETÖ show up? They did through incorrect interpretations of religion,” he said.
elee says
Background: Erdogan has recently proclaimed that the Turkish Republic is a continuation of the Ottoman Empire, which was Caliphate for centuries. His AKP buddies recently proclaimed that he will be Caliph by 2023.
So is he promising a return to the Ottoman/Muslim policies of 1915?
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
“they are moving slowly in Afrin. They are moving with the conscience of not causing even one person’s nose to bleed”
Afrin causes nosebleeds? Fortunately, there’s a cure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFKXfwDPRIo
mortimer says
The stench will be rotting bodies from Turkey’s GENOCIDE AGAINST THE KURDS.
First the mullahs will declare the Kurds KAFIRS and then the Turkish army will declare JIHAD against the Kurds, and finally they will exterminate AS MANY KURDS as possible making ‘A GREAT SLAUGHTER’ as the Koran says:
“It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners until he had made a GREAT SLAUGHTER in the land. You desire the good of this world, but Allah desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.” — Koran 8:67-68
K.8.67-8 is NORMATICE ISLAM, rather than an aberration
gravenimage says
Very funny, Mark.
Gjallarhornet says
Flowery language … clearly the Turk is losing. Who knows what he has run into down there in Syria, maybe even … the good old, US of A? Which would explain the humanist-shrouded way of telling us — that they are getting nowhere.
CRUSADER says
Looking forward to the terse prose in Spencer’s new book on JIHAD HISTORY !
Still trying to get through the rest of Spencer’s growing library…
What a font of knowledge….
(Stanford blows!)
J D S says
Turks need another Ataturk……No that’s wrong….THEY NEED JESUS!
CRUSADER says
Afrin is used for nasal congestion, that’s right isn’t it?
Philip McDonald says
Why do all the Islamic Imam’s, so full of knowledge and wisdom, always find themselves behind the lines. With the full protection of Allah, they should be leading the charge. What are they afraid of?
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
It is true, jîhad fighting has to avoid too much casualities because the objective is to subdue the confronting forces not to terminate their lives , more especially when fighting Muslim rebels (Bugat) like these idiot agents of treacherous evil united states.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Yes, your lot prefer jizya paying dhimmis don’t they ibrahim…saves them from having to produce their own wealth.
But death is never far away as a dhimmi, because your death cult also loves to indulge it’s viscous side by making pagan offerings to allah.
Oh Ibrahim, worshiper of a rock far away, how many times a day to you bow down before your idol?
Guy Forester says
Well, they need to raise money some way to keep the king of the hill fat, fed, and with a full allotment of dancing girls.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Leftruinigcanada, what about filthy churchmen crucifying sex slave girls before penetrating with large hard foreskins and castrating male slaves for hard labor, all pursuant to obnoxious mithraist Bible inspired by thé Satan (holy spirit)?
Champ says
More filthy comments from the repulsive “ibrahim itace muhammed” …
Tick, tock!
StellaSaidSo says
Keep both hands on the keyboard there, Ibby old chap, take it easy now.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Careful there ibrahim.
Your demons are showing.
Robin says
Maybe he’s got what Freud would have called “foreskin envy”.
LeftisruiningCanada says
It’s not healthy, whatever it is that ails him.
gravenimage says
The unhinged Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Leftruinigcanada, what about filthy churchmen crucifying sex slave girls before penetrating with large hard foreskins and castrating male slaves for hard labor, all pursuant to obnoxious mithraist Bible inspired by thé Satan (holy spirit)?
………………………..
Ibrahim itace muhammed has made all of these bizarrre claims before–that the Bible instructs Christian churchmen to crucify and rape women. Of course, there are no such Biblical verses.
And it is Muslims who regularly castrated African boys and men seized for slavery.
And it is the Christian West that *ended* slavery–something Ibrahim itace muhammed has affirmed is still perfectly Halal in Islam.
Also bizarrre is his claim that uncircumsized men torture women with their “large hard foreskins”, showing that he understands nothing about basic human anatomy.
As for this torturing women, this seems to be just more projection on the part of this Mohammedan, since the abuse of women is such an intrinsic part of Islam.
al-uzza bint allaha says
throughout history, the turks were known to be a cruel and barbaric people. for instance, they would cut off the women’s breasts after raping them, among other islamic ways of waging war.
you pray to a pig god, muhammed, and as a black muslim, your only reward will be to mop the floors in madame allah’s bordello which you muslims call heaven.
Ray Jarman says
Another human way to perform capital punishment was to force feed a person and place a hole in a boat where the water was about neck high and place his head through the hole. Then the fun began; they would place lobsters and other bottom feeders to slowly eat the person while he was alive.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Uzza bint satan(holy spirit), you lied. Turks never committed such things. It has been the practice of churchmen crucifying sex slave girls before penetrating. If they resist they kill them and mutilate them. mutilation is Haram under sharia
StellaSaidSo says
‘Turks never committed such things’
Oh yes they did, you filthy liar. Turks raped and crucified Christian girls en masse during the Armenian genocide.
gravenimage says
What crap from Ibrahim itace muhammed. The Muslim Turks regularly raped, murdered, and mutilated Christian girls during the Armenian Genocide.
And note–he has no problem with rape and murder, but just pretends to be offended over mutilation.
And then he makes the same bizarre charge against Christian churchmen. And note–he also puts this in the present tense.
More projection–there is no slavery in the West–it was abolished long since here. But it is still rife in Dar-al-Islam–somthing this Mohammed has himself affirmed with admiration.
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed is here to tell us how humane Islam is.
Don’t forget, he has affirmed that Muslims can enslave, rape, slaughter and evern commit genocide against their victims. He himself has said how much he is looking forward to taking part in the gencide of the Jews.
Ray Jarman says
I would like to ask this clown of the cult about Constantinople. The people of that great city and empire fought valiantly against overwhelming odds to remain free. It took centuries for the pernicious cult to destroy one of the greatest cities ever built. I still defy anyone to name one place on earth that this horde has been welcomed and adopted this evil way of living by persuasion. Not even Arabia itself willingly accepted this evil.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Ray Jarman, your god the Satan you Call holy spirit is the source of all evils. That is why filthy mithraist christians have been carryingout mass killings as they did during crusade wars in the name of mithraist Christ.
LeftisruiningCanada says
You have nothing of value ibrahim.
Nothing.
You prove it with every utterance here.
Thank you. It helps our determination to oppose islam all the more.
StellaSaidSo says
+1
Ray Jarman says
I have studied the history of the Crusades and obviously you have not. The Crusades happened only after the murdering pernicious cult of the pedophilic slug refused passage through lands and cities such as Aleppo and Antioch which had been Christian. The only wished to visit the Holy Lands. These people had become Christian through the teachings of Jesus Christ through his disciples such as Paul of Tarsus not by the sword that your cult used to force a conversion. I guess that you don’t know that the Virgin Mary died in Ephus which is near the city of Smyrna. The house foundation is still there and as is the foundation of St. Paul’s first church. I suggest that you do your homework before posting fallacious comments on subjects of which you are clueless.
Robin says
“the murdering pernicious cult of the pedophilic slug”
Hey go easy on the technical jargon please Ray, Muslims may be listening here and they have very sensitive nerves which need to be soothed with gentle rhymeing ayats, preferably wailed with no discernible tonality or rhythm.
StellaSaidSo says
Beautifully put, Ray.
Ray Jarman says
Thanks, Stella
Robin says
“Beautifully put, Ray.”
Oohh….
“after the murdering pernicious cult of the pedophilic slug refused passage”
Surely more beautiful would be:
“after the faithful followers of Allah’s esteemed Prophet (pbuh) deterred unworthy mischief-makers from intruding into the Land of the Believers”.
Though such things are clearly a matter of personal taste.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Ray Jarman, you lied. Brutal crusade wars were unprovoked.Did Jews kill à single Christian when they were burchered together with muslims ?
LeftisruiningCanada says
Ibrahim, you lied.
So there.
StellaSaidSo says
@ Robin
The beauty I invoked was the beauty of precision of language. A subject does not need to be itself beautiful to be described beautifully.
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed considers not being happy about being murdered by Muslims to be “source of all evils”.
Guy Forester says
I ignore Ibbi. In fact, I do not know if this is even a real person. This may simply be a troll trying to get attention. Maybe someone with linguist training could recognize all of his grammatical and spelling errors and relate them to a specific language. Clearly, Ibbi is either not very adept at English or else puts on a good act.
Ray Jarman says
Agreed but I just wish he would read about the subject he attempts to write about. His reply did not even address my comment. I have yet to receive one that made any sense what so ever.
LeftisruiningCanada says
The only things Ibrahim ever reads are short quotes from dawa websites, at least it seems that way from previous things he has said that i’ve looked into.
This is why he avoids any real interactions on subjects. Being a particularly unpleasant muslim, he thinks he knows everything anyway, so why should he bother learning anything extra. We’re only filthy kuffar to him, so what’s the point?
gravenimage says
Guy, here’s his Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/people/Ibrahim-Itace-Muhammed/100008365110176
I’m not sure why you and a few others here doubt that pious Muslims like him exist. This is, in fact, exactly what we are fighting against here at Jihad Watch.
Robin says
“This is, in fact, exactly what we are fighting against here at Jihad Watch.”
But doing an outstandingly crrrap job of it in these comments. Here you have a muslim who is actually coming to a kaffir site and presenting his words. Sure they are rubbish, but rather than taking the opportunity to engage with his nonsense, by presenting the documentation of FACTS in response, you just indulge in unfriendly ad hom accusations and even assertions that he is lying. How ridiculous. Just identify where he is stating things that are untrue, then point him towards the truth.. Links to http://www.IslamHoax.com and http://www.BecomeaTerrorist.com for a start.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Robin,
Everyone commenting here has spent considerable time making full and respectful answers to Ibrahim, some for many years, only to have him ignore these efforts completely while replying with diversion and insult.
Personally i have spent quite a bit of time countering his ‘mithra’ claims, only to have them completely dismissed with single sentence replies, if i was lucky to have any reply at all.
There comes a time when it is simply not worth the effort anymore, especially because of Ibrahim’s utterly hostile and irrational behavior.
If he was willing to engage in proper discussion it would be very different.
As things are, some posters are still willing to address his comments on subjects they know, which you will note even in this thread have been ignored.
Sometimes the only correct response to filthy and abusive language like Ibrahim spits out is mockery.
Feel free to reply to Ibrahim in the way you recommended. After a few months, you will also likely tire of it.
Robin says
“Sometimes the only correct response to filthy and abusive language like Ibrahim spits out is mockery.”
Not really. A far more sensible response is to ignore, as in “dont’ feed the troll”. He will eventually get fed up with being ignored. And it will meanwhile result in a lot less space being taken up in the distasteful hostile responses to him, which serve only to make this site look like it’s inhabited by nasty anti-Muslim mockers. And that public image is VERY IMPORTANT. Don’t waste this valuable space on responding unless you do it constructively and informatively!
LeftisruiningCanada says
“distasteful hostile responses to him”
Do you see many of those here Robin?
Everyone has been very restrained if you ask me, which might say better things about the posters here than leaving such nasty posts as ibrahim’s unanswered.
Each to their own.
Carry on.
Robin says
……….“distasteful hostile responses to him”
“Do you see many of those here Robin?”
YES.
“Everyone has been very restrained if you ask me”
I don’t think I would waste my time asking a person who on being shown a square insists that it is a circle instead. Anyway, Merry Ramadan (or not….lol)
StellaSaidSo says
@ LeftisruiningCanada
I agree, LIRC. Everyone here has given Ibrahim a fair chance to engage in rational debate. He is incapable of it, and therefore should be ignored, or ridiculed for his hateful nonsense. I doubt that ‘Robin’ would be as considerate or as patient as you have been in your responses to Ibrahim’s often vile provocations.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Thanks Stella, and yes, Ibrahim gets way more patience and tolerance from most here than he perhaps deserving of.
We can look forward to Robin’s interactions with Ibrahim. Hopefully Robin will be more polite and patient with him than he has been with me!
Linnte says
You are a coward Muslim. At least Anjem Choudry was brave enough to be honest about Islam. And slandering the Holy Spirit is the ONE unforgivable sin, and so, when you die, you’ll get to see your buddy Muhammad in hell. Eternity is a long time to burn.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Linnte, you and holy spirit (the Satan) Will be casted into hottest lake of hellfire. There is nothing líke Holy spirit except Satan the cursed one
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed believes that opposing Muslim savagery sends you to hell. He holds, however, that abusing and slaughtering innocent people means an eternity of raping magic sex slaves.
This is the Muslim mindset. *Ugh*.
utis says
And they say there’s no comedy in Islam. Shecky Erbas had me LMAO. So, O.K. Who’s doing the honest body count (nose-bleeds to decapitations & bombing)?
Sam says
What a jjoke!
Ray Jarman says
Sam, I have many friends in Erbil and I don’t see an attack of any kind a joke. This is serious as many will die if Erdogan continues his attack on the Kurds in Syria.
gravenimage says
If this is the poster I am thinking of, Ray, Sam himself is from Turkey. I have never seen him making light of Muslim savagery there. Something can be a sick joke and yet grimly serious.
I hope your friends in Erbil stay safe. A century ago, this was one of the bloodiest sites of the Armenian Genocide.
Ray Jarman says
Graven, Thanks for the kind words and I did not realize that he was Turkish. As much as I admire, Mustafa Kemal, not even he ever apologized for the Armenian massacres.
The reason I love the Kurds is that during the fighting in Iraq, they invited Christians and Yazidis to go the Kurdish held territory. They are the Druze of Iraq, Syria and Iran. When one visits a Druze or Kurd, you are treated with respect and kindness. I just read the airports in Erbil are permitted to operate in order that the people may perform their Umrah.
LeftisruiningCanada says
” When one visits a Druze or Kurd, you are treated with respect and kindness”
I’m sure you have had good experiences, but let’s not get all sentimental over Kurdish people. They and their culture can be every bit as hostile and violent as any islamic culture can be.
gravenimage says
Turks moving slowly in Afrin to avoid “causing even one person’s nose to bleed; after all, this is Islam’s order”
……………………
This is grimly laughable.
sidney penny says
“Ali Erbaş is relying on Infidels not knowing this history, and indeed, most don’t, and wouldn’t even believe it if they were told.”
If the current Pope can get fooled what hope is there for other infidels?
Guy Forester says
Please do not confuse willful ignorance with true lack of knowledge. We need to keep sending out the truth. It will get out.
gravenimage says
True, Guy. Ignorance is one thing, and is usually easily amended. Willful ignorance is *much* harder to cure.
sidney penny says
“They are moving with the conscience of not causing even one person’s nose to bleed; after all, this is Islam’s order.”
REad this short chaper and note that not one person’s nose bled.
Read about Jihad in India and elsewhere and you will understand why the Muslims followed Islam’s order and “not even one person’s nose bled”
Note the words like:Slaughter and Plunder,Rates of Jizya,.Hajjaj recommends Harsh
Measures and
Dealing with a Defeated Enemy
³Noon had not arrived when the Musalmans had wreaked their vengeance on the infidelenemies of Allah, killing 15,000 of them, spreading them like a carpet over the ground, andmaking them food for beasts and birds of prey« The necklace was taken off the neck of Jaipal,- composed of large pearls and shining gems and rubies set in gold, of which the value was twohundred thousand dinars; and twice that value was obtained from necks of those of his relativeswho were taken prisoners, or slain, and had become the food of the mouths of hyenas andvultures.
Plenty of noses bled here!
https://www.scribd.com/document/78119550/Jihad-in-India-Sita-Ram-Goel
https://www.scribd.com/document/78119550/Jihad-in-India-Sita-Ram-Goel
“The principles of Jihad elaborated in countless compendia composed by Islamic scholars,have been generalized from concrete practices of the Prophet, and confirmed by Allah through³revelations´ in the Quran.In turn, these principles have guided all swordsmen of Islam throughout these fourteen countries and in many lands.
India has had a prolonged experience of Jihad from the day when the first Muslim army stepped into Sindh in 712 CE and won its first victories after suffering a number of defeats for 78 years. Lands in Seistan, Khurasan, Transoxiana and Afghanistan where Hindu religion and culture had flourished for long had been subjected to Jihad in earlier years.
We are citing some of the prominent Jihads waged in India by the most famous mujahids….”
gravenimage says
Yes–Islam is utterly savage, and nowhere more so than in India.
Guy Forester says
Let the muslims fight amongst themselves all they want.
Linnte says
Can’t wait for this book Mr. Spencer!
Robin says
Judging by his recent thoughts the first chapters will be pure fiction then suddenly about 633 AD will switch to more or less standard documented history. I think there are huge problems with his “did m exist” thesis, not least that the quran was so clearly written by an Aspergers case, and that according to the RS thesis, armies “just happened to” start rushing out of Arabia for some “unknown” reason (never remotely explicated), whereas the standard (M existed) account is an utterly true-to-life explanation of how one obnoxious ignorant thug hugely changed history.
gravenimage says
Robin, Robert Spencer had every right to explore the early days of Islam.
I also agree that Muhammed seems like too much of a very specific head case not to have existed–but if there is no historical evidence to prove this, then it is important for us to know this.
Remember–Robert Spencer asked “did Muhammed exist?”–he did not assert that he did not.
Robin says
“if there is no historical evidence to prove this”
Considering it was an oral and nomadic culture of primitive people there is a huge amount of facts and seeming facts about the matter. Rather than whether anyone can “prove” x or y, it makes more sense to consider which are the more credible alternatives. The idea that M did not exist and that this huge miltary outburst happened for some unknown reason is simply bonkers given the very clear story from the society itself of how one obnoxious ignorant nutcase changed history.
“Robert Spencer asked “did Muhammed exist?”–he did not assert that he did not.”
His correspondence indicates he is rather convinced. He appears tp have a very narrow education, albeit wider than that of most “graduates” nowadays. The contemporary world is far too obsessed with specialists as supposedly the most competent..
Ray Jarman says
I am sorry but Mr. Spencer did advocate that muhammad did not exist in a debate with a couple of imams. He pointed out that there is no evidence of his existence at the time he was supposedly to have lived and only later was he created.
Robin says
“He pointed out that there is no evidence of his existence at the time he was supposedly to have lived…”
I have got his non-existent book here. (Cripes, why can’t I find it now?)
I don’t think anyone is seriously doubting that point of “no evidence”. Just it is a million miles from strong evidence that M did not exist.
There’s little doubt that the D Scarlatti existed 300 yrs ago (who composed 550 sonatas, most of them NEVER PUBLISHED). Yet there is piddling little documention of his life in a literate civilised society. It is clear that a lot of Bach’s compositions have been lost, in probably the most retentive society in history. Even my own father’s father, all I know of him is the little told me by my mother over the years, and inferred from the fact my father was born in UK in Nov 1918 (i.e. during ww1). Namely he was a German (in uk during ww1….) and my grandmother was disowned and somehow not able to marry him and only one name on my father’s birth cert. Oh and my grandmother looked remarkably “Jewish” in the one photo we have (she died early, of broken heart I guess), which might “just!” go with surname “Goulding” and her being disowned after being one of the first women to go to a grammar school.
Contrast this with a guy living in army tents in a society of illiterate semi-savages, where the absence of “evidence” is to be expected and it would be seriously weird IF there WERE any evidence! Plus hugely more internal and external evidence leading to the strong conclusion that M did exist. RS’s thesis is simply totally unrealistic, and as one reviewer rightly wrote on Amazon, sadly tends to undermine his reputation relative to his other competent books.
Ray Jarman says
Robin, I think we can both agree that whether he existed in the flesh is rather irrelevant and it is the horrible crimes against humanity that he or character there of that was committed and is being perpetrated upon mankind even today. I have had a debate whether islam is a religion or a cult and I stand firm that it is a cult built predicated upon a pernicious murdering pedophilic monster that etiolates everyone in its vicinity. I love to debate with informed people as it provides insights that often I have not considered.
Robin says
The religion v cult question – I favour saying it’s a person’s “religious beliefs” for practical reason that this tears apart the anti-freedom of speech people who insist that “hate speech” must be criminalised and yet all must be free to “express their religious beliefs” and they must be “respected”, which of course poses a problem considering the “clear” “easy to understand” quran is most definitely hate speech. The only resolution is either accept either
– that not all “religions” are worthy of respect (and so ban the quran);
or
– that the most hate speech document in history mustn’t be banned (and neither “islamophobic” views either) (and so freedom of speech must INCLUDE all “hate speech”.
I think we should get the fascists’ knickers in a twist with that dilemma at every opportunity. A clear distinction between cult and religion seems undefinable anyway.
Ray Jarman says
Robin, It is not about respecting one’s religious beliefs. The quran and hadith all preach the overthrow of the Constitution and I think that a court would convict an imam of sedition if someone in the Justice Department had the courage to bring charges against him if after inciting the idiots listening to his rants about killing the non believers and attacking our military and other symbols of our nation carries out his urgings. When their beliefs are that they have the right to overthrow the our system of government and replace it with a theocracy, that is sedition by definition.
Robin says
“The quran and hadith all preach the overthrow of the Constitution”
Really? Please show me the verses in question. I don’t think the primitive arabs even had a concept of a constitution.
Ray Jarman says
Does the quran say that all states must submit to islam which means that the current state must be overthrown? Anyone who incites others to overtly or covertly overthrow a government and its institutions is sedition. Trying to drive into a military installation by force with the intentions of killing those there is an attack on the very fabric of our nation.
Robin says
Ohoh. I asked you to tell me what verses say to overthrow a constitution. Your reply doesn’t indicate any. I don’t think there are any. .
Ray Jarman says
I realize that I took awhile in answering your reply about Islam equals sedition but I have been busy working.
Robert Spencer wrote: “There is no doubt that mainstream Islam advocates the separation of Muslims from non-Muslims, believers from infidels, clean from unclean. Koran 5:51 warns Muslims against “taking the Jews and Christians as friends and allies … whoever among you takes them for friends and allies, he is surely one of them,” that is, he too becomes an infidel, or kafir, the worst human classification in Islam. Koran 3:28, 4:89, 4:144, 5:54, 6:40, 9:23 all have the same message; 58:22 simply states that true Muslims do not befriend non-Muslims — “even if they be their fathers, sons, brothers, or kin.” But Koran verses further call on Muslims to have enmity — hate — for non-Muslims: “We [Muslims] renounce you [non-Muslims]. Enmity and hate shall forever reign between us — till you believe in Allah alone” (Koran 60:4).”
Mr. Spencer further wrote of ”Jihad — war on non-Muslims for no less a reason than that they are non-Muslims — is the physical manifestation or realization of enmity for “infidels.” Not only is it natural to attack and seek to subjugate those whom one is bred on hating, but the doctrine of jihad, including to spread and enforce Sharia around the world, is part and parcel of Islam; it is no less codified than Islam’s Five Pillars. As the Encyclopaedia of Islam’s entry for “jihad” puts it, the “spread of Islam by arms is a religious duty upon Muslims in general … Jihad must continue to be done until the whole world is under the rule of Islam … Islam must completely be made over before the doctrine of jihad can be eliminated.”
Other verses:
3.145 And Muhammad is only a Messenger. Verily, all Messengers have passed away before him. If then he die or be slain, will you turn back on your heels? And he who turns back on his heels shall not harm Allah at all. And Allah will certainly reward the grateful.
47.4 “When you encounter the unbelievers, Strike off their heads.
47.6. And He will admit them into Paradise, that He will have made completely known to them.
2.154 O ye who believe! seek help with patience and Prayer; surely, Allah is with the steadfast.
9:14 The Clear Quran, Dr. Mustafa Khattab, ˹So˺ fight them and Allah will punish them at your hands, put them to shame, help you overcome them, and soothe the hearts of the believers
47.19 So know, [O Muhammad], that there is no deity except Allah and ask forgiveness for your sin and for the believing men and believing women. And Allah knows of your movement and your resting place.
8.72 Lo! those who believed and left their homes and strove with their wealth and their lives for the cause of Allah, and those who took them in and helped them: these are protecting friends one of another.
9.5 So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for ….. so they slay and are slain; a promise which is binding on Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Quran; and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah?
9.29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture.
When all is taken together, and some imam insights members of the group to kill or even plot in secrecy, it is SEDITION. Since their numbers are not great enough to start an all out war, those who follow the teachings of the cult of the pernicious pedophilic monster are content to employ havoc such as shooting people in night clubs, ramming a truck into people simply enjoying an outing in the city they live, slicing the throat of a fellow worker and many more in an effort to cause fear on a daily basis. Until America and the rest of the non-cult world begin to force these cult members to abide by the principles of the nation’s political and moral systems, we are all in peril.
I have asked before and have yet to receive an answer from anyone like the infamous Ibraham Itace Muhammed why is it that muslims find it impossible to live in amity with their neighbors even when they are provided refuge. Never in the history of America has there been a group being granted refuge from the ravages of war or famine committed the acts of aggression and violence against those who have granted them the opportunity to live without fear of being slaughtered as have these people of the un-holy book.
The actions that are praised by the cult concerning muhammad’s attacked the Jewish village of Khaybar Oasis after he swore an oath not to attack because Gabriel told him that perfidy is perfectly acceptable in defense of allah attests to the fact that no muslim can be trusted.
Robin says
Thanks Ray for your somewhat lengthy reply. I’m already familiar with such quotations and more. I have carefully compiled such lists myself for “educational” purposes. I miss out quite a lot of your list of verses because there are others which speak far more clearly without need for getting bogged down in so-called “interpretation”. For instance the famous 9:5 would be asserted by Islamophiles to be specific to a particular year (EVEN though it does not state an end point!)
See here: http://www.BecomeATerrorist.com for a hot list.
I’m well aware of the strongly hostile messages of the verses. And also of how Jihadists have through the centuries taken control of nations by one means or another. But…
But none of those verses you quote say anything about constitutions, or governments, or kingdoms or states, let alone overthrowning them. The nearest I am aware of is:
“You shall be called upon to fight a mighty nation, unless they accept Islam.” [48:16].
And even there there is nothing about constitutions or governments or kingdoms, merely fighting unless/till they accept Islam. This can be seen as equivalent to the women in UK who acted violently to get votes for women. Or the anti-Apartheid movement violence in South Africa. In neither case was it a matter of overthrowing a whole system, but merely of gaining a change of some rules or policy. Much like those (far from all so-called “far right” people) who are demanding that Islam be banned in fact. Anyway, thanks for trying to make the case.
StellaSaidSo says
@ Robin
The point being made by RayJarman, as you well know, is that the Koran specifies the overthrow of all systems which do not adhere to Islam.
Robin says
“The point being made by RayJarman, as you well know, is that the Koran specifies the overthrow of all systems which do not adhere to Islam.”
“as you well know”
On the contrary, I ASKED to be shown what verses of the quran specify this. No such reply has been forthcoming. Which is in line with there not even being any quranic mention of constitutions or systems let alone “overthrowing” them.
And yet supposedly despite this non-answer, it is asserted “as you well know”.
This site could be so hugely valuable as a highly public place for people to make usefully informative responses. Instead it is clearly just a small handful clique of regulars echo-chambering their uninformative drivel and insults at anyone else who intrudes on “their” space. I apologise to myself for wasting my time typing here. Good riddance.
StellaSaidSo says
On what evidence do you base your claim that the Koran was written by ‘an Asperger’s case’?
Robin says
Good question, am busy but will try to find a minute to explain briefly.
Actually Aspergers is basically the same as relatively mild autism syndrome condition. A very notable characteristic is “pragmatic” communication disability, with competent grammar, vocab etc, but still hopelessly defective due to failing to present the context needed for understanding it. The quran is famously completely full of PRECISELY this defect, as indicated by all the experts including RS here telling you that it CAN ONLY BE MADE ANY SENSE OF(<<get it?!) with reference to the related hadiths.
For instance see 59:2-7. What the Heil Hilton is that about? Well, as Pickthall's intro explains, it is about M's expulsion of the Bani-Nadir community. Sadly Pickthall had to add in the explanation that "Allah" was too dumb to provide himself in this famously "perfect" book.
And NO WAY would some ancient illiterate arabs have been able to compose a whole book from "Allah" in which "Allah" turns out to be autistically handicapped, while meanwhile all the other sacred scriptures of Islam don't have that disability (precisely because they were the only ones NOT written by that autistically-handicapped man).
PS Important point – autistic/Asp people are NOT more likely to be nasty or psychopathic, most are totally honest and responsible. But the sometimes lack of empathy can of course reflect in a character such as this supposedly non-existent one. Again, that's yet more internal evidence rather than hearsay.
Ray Jarman says
I hate to interject a comment here but from my readings, mohammad did not write anything. I was written by a scribe of sorts. I understand he or the caricature was illiterate so he or it could not have even proof read the words.
Robin says
You are surely not unaware that the MOST CENTRAL BELIEF of ;people who call themselves “Muslims” is that the Quran (in its perfect unchangeable wordings) was “revealed” EXCLUSIVELY to Mohammed (a merchant who had somehow been granted a monopoly on this most important ever text). In other words the first person to speak etc these words was M. Whether he wrote them down is irrelevant. Either “Allah” had the autistic communication handicap or his “Messenger” did. Either way it doesn’t add much to the credibility of Islam but certainly adds to the credibility of the viewpoint that a very real psychopath originated those words and therefrom caused one of the largest upheavals in history. And there were no scribes in his war-band, which is why so many hadiths instead of just “Prophet Mo’s big Blood-soaked book”.
StellaSaidSo says
@ Robin
So that would be ‘very little evidence at all’, then. As I expected.
StellaSaidSo says
@ RayJarman
Exactly right. Mohammed did not write anything. He was illiterate, and others recorded his rantings. The Koran was compiled by a committee, and underwent numerous changes at the hands of further committees before being ‘set in stone’ in its present (still disjointed and incoherent) form.
Ray Jarman says
Thanks Stellasaidso
Robin says
“As I expected.”
Indeed a fool always finds his expectations confirmed no matter what the facts are. Good riddance.