When have you ever heard of a convert from Christianity to Islam saying, “The Christians are trying to kill me”?
Right, never, because Christianity does not have a death penalty for apostasy. Islam does. It’s based on the Qur’an: “They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.” (Qur’an 4:89)
A hadith depicts Muhammad saying: “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” (Bukhari 9.84.57). The death penalty for apostasy is part of Islamic law according to all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence.
This is still the position of all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence, both Sunni and Shi’ite. Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the most renowned and prominent Muslim cleric in the world, has stated: “The Muslim jurists are unanimous that apostates must be punished, yet they differ as to determining the kind of punishment to be inflicted upon them. The majority of them, including the four main schools of jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’i, and Hanbali) as well as the other four schools of jurisprudence (the four Shiite schools of Az-Zaidiyyah, Al-Ithna-‘ashriyyah, Al-Ja’fariyyah, and Az-Zaheriyyah) agree that apostates must be executed.”
Qaradawi also once famously said: “If they had gotten rid of the apostasy punishment, Islam wouldn’t exist today.”
“Christian Convert in Uganda Suffers Sudden Loss of Father, Wife, Children,” Morning Star News, January 31, 2018:
NAIROBI, Kenya (Morning Star News) – In a village in eastern Uganda, it took no more than a day for Munabi Abudallah to lose his wife and seven children after putting his faith in Christ.
“The Muslims are searching to kill me,” Abudallah, 37, told Morning Star News by phone. “My family members have deserted me. I am spending sleepless nights.”
The former Muslim is in hiding after a few simple inquiries of Islamic and Christian leaders in Tirinyi sub-county, Kibuku District, put him on a short journey to faith in Christ.
About two months ago he asked an Islamic teacher, or sheikh, why Arabic was used during Friday prayers at Kataka mosque in Kataka II village. He did not understand Arabic, he told the sheikh.
“When I questioned the sheikh about the use of Arabic language, he said that Arabic is the language in which Allah communicated his message to prophet Muhammad, hence it should not be questioned,” Abudallah said.
Troubled by this reply, he began asking Christians how their God communicated to them.
“The church pastor said that God is the God of all people who communicates to people in various languages,” Abudallah told Morning Star News. “After several private sessions with the pastor regarding the God of Christianity, it was on Jan. 20 at 4 p.m. when I was convicted that the God of Christianity is a God of love and then decided to put my faith in God’s son, Jesus, for which I received a unique peace that I had not experienced before.”
After departing, he returned home. That evening, with an irrepressible joy in his heart, he shared his experience with his wife, Aisha Namukoli. She became furious, he said.
“My wife shouted at me in front of the children, saying, ‘Kafir, Kafir [infidel]! You are a big shame to the family,’” he said. “She then pushed me out of the house.”
That night Abudallah managed to get back in and slept in the kitchen. Early in the morning he got up and went to see the pastor of a church, undisclosed for security reasons, and told him the hardships he was facing. The pastor prayed for him, and he turned back toward his home.
As he approached his house at about 6 p.m., Abudallah was surprised to see several people, including his father and members of the Kataka mosque. Their anger was evident, he said. He greeted them, and there was total silence.
His father, he said, stood up and said, “You are no longer my son, be cursed forever.”
“He hit me with a walking stick that was in his hand and hurt my left hand,” Abudallah said. “I managed to escape through a banana farm, and after a short while I was at the pastor’s house.”…
CRUSADER says
Christians need to be saying this to the Muzzies:
” as-samu alaykum ”
‘Death to you’
boakai ngombu says
they may also ask the Lord of Abraham to bring much confusion to them, so much so, that they turn from the ways of the allah god of islam (unknowable; the best of all deceivers) and seek His righteousness and life in His presence.
J D S says
One more of millions of reasons to destroy this Cult…using current or newly enacted laws of course…May sound silly but it will take laws to
destroy Islam..LAWS that forbid any religion from practicing what they do. Let’s say that one of our established Christian religions decided that they should incorporate into it’s religious practices
such things as the Muslims are doing in Islam…..How long would it be before the doors of that church would be nailed shut???
We have had similarities happening and it didn’t take long for action to take place to shut them down.
So why is Islam allowed to continue without total revision or at least some revisions to make it half way palatable?? No, half way would not work.
J D S says
Added to my above comment…Does one think that just because Islamic happening, that we read about in Muslim and other foreign countries, will not happen in America, if not curbed? If one does not believe that…then one is delusional.
Gjallarhornet says
Uganda is mostly christian. Idi Amin, clearly in the top ten of worst people in history, was muslim. Needless to say, the country was not in very good shape when Amin jetted of to his friends in Saudi Arabia and a life in perpetual luxury there,
This all you need to know.
gravenimage says
All true.
Terry Gain says
Over to you “savvy kafir”, YFI.
abad says
I know I have said this before and will say it again:
Christians want to convert you.
Moslems want to kill you.
Terry Gain says
Tell that to misnamed Savvy Kafir.
gravenimage says
What did Savvy Kafir say?
Terry Gain says
Graven Image
Here is his ignorant comment.
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Savvy Kafir says
Feb 2, 2018 at 6:52 pm
I’d rather avoid this sort of issue in a counter-jihadi venue such as JW — but since you brought it up….
Christianity gave us the Dark Ages, in which science was sidelined for many centuries, and heretics were burned at the stake for more than 1,000 years.. And many (though not all) Christians fought every step of the way, as forward-thinking secular humanists, deists, & freethinkers (along with the most liberal/progressive Christians) dragged us out of that darkness — which bore more than a passing resemblance to Islam — into the light of reason, science, & modernity.
I hate to quibble; but that’s a much more accurate description of what actually occurred over the last 2,000 years or so.
Man didn’t suffer some catastrophic fall from grace. For thousands of years, he’s been slowly & painstakingly dragging himself out of a world of barbarism towards a more humane & civilized condition. And many (but not all) of the really major setbacks have been caused by religious superstition.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Terry. I actually did reply to those comments–but I had forgotten the poster.
Dale Netherton says
Demanding someone believe by any means is a demand they do not think but agree.
gravenimage says
Uganda: Convert from Islam to Christianity says “The Muslims are trying to kill me”
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I hope this poor man stays safe.
Unfortunately, murdering apostates is completely Islamic.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Christ draws,
islam chases with machetes
Lord keep him.
MFritz says
I wonder how bloody the war will be that our society has to fight one day to end this barbarism. It’s already creeping into the midst of our own places and towns. It took the Spaniards centuries. How long will it take us? And what do we do with the places where it came from if we ever want to avoid getting the same issue again? And again. And again.
StellaSaidSo says
The longer we delay, and the more we allow the enemy numbers to grow, the bloodier it will be. The biggest mistake we made in the past was our failure to eradicate it completely when we had the chance. W.E. Gladstone was right when he said ‘There will never be peace in the world while this accursed book exists.’
Bertrand says
Question: Why are the Saudi authorities not able to find the mysterious city of CHARMUTHA? Because CHARMUTHA is proof that Mecca is not the holy place of Muslims … The big river becius is a problem for the story of Agar and Ismael … How could they die of thirst?
https://nantt44.wordpress.com/2018/01/03/chapiter-iv-charmutha-becius-the-tropic-of-cancer/
Ray Jarman says
There are some good points made concerning this article but the point that jumps off the page for me is that most muslims have never read the quran much less in Arabic. I had friends who thought they were muslims in Nigeria and when I asked them about their religion, especially after having just read Robert Spencer’s “The Truth About Muhammad,” I knew more about islam than they. In over three years living in Abuja, and also working in Kaduna and Lagos when problems arose, I never met one Nigerian, even the predominant muslims who speak Hausa, who spoke or read Arabic.
boakai ngombu says
and yet they will learn to recite their creed and salah and listen to the guidance of the imam as he interprets the Koran and follow along with the other slaves (Muslims) of the allah god of islam to do the will of the allah god as if they knew all it demands
gravenimage says
Ray, most Muslims know enough about Islam to slaughter Christians and other Infidels–as we see in this story. This is what concerns me.
Ray Jarman says
Graven, I should have been more succinct because that was my point. They kill and slaughter without even knowing why. I also become tired of people referring to the cult as a religion. It is a cult of death and destruction where ever it exists and Nigeria is no different.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Why is a death cult excluded from being a Religion?
Ray Jarman says
Can you name one religion that believes that perfidy, slaughter of innocent people, pedophilia and the list goes on? I have never heard of any religion that believes that its version of heaven/paradise is one huge orgy. Also would you consider those who followed Jim Jones, the pedophilic group at Unida around the late 1800s or those at Waco, Texas a religion? If so then maybe one could call islam a religion. I used to think that not all muslims believed in Islam but now I not sure. Things have changed so much since 2007.
LeftisruiningCanada says
How are you defining the word “religion” Ray?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion
I usually go for option 1 when talking about belief systems involving the supernatural, and option 4 when talking about the more zealous kind of political beliefs like Marxism.
Ray Jarman says
Leftisrunningcanada, You answered the question for me. It is more intent on conquering everyone in the world with the stated goal as to have only one government (theocracy or Communism) and its own set of laws (sharia) in which no variance is permitted. Like most cults such as the Jim Jones cult which perverted an ongoing religion to suit his own lust for pedophilia (just like the muslims’ leader Muhammad). No one refers to those who pervert the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints by raping of young girls and even boys who are often their own children as a religion and I fail to see any difference with (as I call it) the pernicious cult of the pedophilic mass murdering monster. This cult has perverted both Christianity and Judaism to an unrecognizable entity. One of my favorite authors Eugene O’Neil, in “The Ice Man Cometh” wrote, “You can’t build a marble temple out of a mixture of mud and manure,” and pray tell how is this not a description of islam. What religious leader of another church would put a hit just like the mafia on a man for saying, “Angels don’t have much in the way of a will. To will is to disagree; not to submit; to dissent.” Salman Rusdie’s “Santanic Verses.” This cult refuses every person the right to think originally or go his own way. No religion would be in opposition to Hegel’s words concerning man’s free agency, The essence, the substance of Spirit is freedom. Spirit is endowed with Freedom and it is the sole truth of Spirit.” Spirit for Hegel was agency. This is not even permitted by the cult. I stand by my assertion that islam is a cult viz. religion. It does not adhere to the definition of either Webster’s nor Oxford’s regarding religion.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Hi Ray, thanks for replying. I find this subject interesting.
” No one refers to those who pervert the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints by raping of young girls and even boys who are often their own children as a religion and I fail to see any difference with”
No, but then again that would be a perversion of the LDS religion’s teachings rather than part of the foundational and norming life of it’s founder. (Though of course, J Smith did have rather a few wives himself, not that i’m saying anything about rape etc)
The point is that Islam does have these behaviours as part of what it is. This makes it part of the religion. A cult is an offshoot of a religion, which is not what islam is.
“This cult has perverted both Christianity and Judaism to an unrecognizable entity”
I’m not one that subscribes to the idea that islam is simply a cult of Christianity/Judaism. mohammad clearly had so little understanding of either religion that he didn’t know enough to pervert it imho. There are also many different teachings in islam that i think it’s proper to consider islam it’s own entity.
” I stand by my assertion that islam is a cult viz. religion. It does not adhere to the definition of either Webster’s nor Oxford’s regarding religion.”
Which is your right to do so, of course. But i’m not sure why we could say that islam doesn’t fit the description given on the link above:
1 b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural
(2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
islam of a certainty qualifies according to the above. It just does so in a way quite different to what we are accustomed to in the West. The desire for Sharia across the entire globe is a very good example of “devotion to religious faith or observance”.
Definition 4 is just as appropriate, though it lacks reference to the supernatural, which is why i tend to work off that one when talking about secular/political zeal.
If i might ask, what is it really that bothers you about describing islam as a religion?
Please understand, i;m not trying to be rude, and am not attempting to convey an aggressive or disrespectful tone. 🙂
Ray Jarman says
Leftisrunningcanada, I am not offended and I love to debate with someone whom I respect and I have read quiet a few of your comments and seldom do I disagree. Regarding the reason why I refuse to accept that it is a religion is derived from Robert Spencer’s “The Truth About Muhammad” and one of his debates (don’t remember who the imam was) where he purported that the Muhammad character was invented by the hordes as they slaughtered everything while making their way across the Christian Middle-East and North Africa. His argument was that it was invented to justify their actions and maintain their domination over those remaining. I do agree with you that he probably was too ignorant of Judo/Christianity to pervert it but those who led the hordes certainly knew enough. If he did exist, he was probably nothing more than a plunderer and a thief who stole from the caravans and merchants to which Gabriel granted him vouchsafe for his actions.
I have mentioned before that I once dated an Indonesian girl when I was stationed in Frankfurt am Mein in the 1970s. She performed her daily prayers and I traveled with her to Djakarta to visit her family and friends. Never once did I encountered anyone that was not friendly but they were not the hard core islamist. In Nigeria, I had a large staff and about half were muslim but religion never became a problem and one of the men apologized when the islamists in Jos killed a lot of their Christian neighbors because a female tourist strayed on muslim land while hiking and wearing shorts and a tight blouse. Needless to say she was not wearing an hijab. As I stated before, none of the people who professed to be muslim had a clue about islam and none could read Arabic.
Once again I am never offended by well founded arguments and I hope that I haven’t showed any offence towards you.
Most Cordially, Ray
LeftisruiningCanada says
Hi Ray, thanks for replying, and the kind words.
“he purported that the Muhammad character was invented by the hordes as they slaughtered everything while making their way across the Christian Middle-East and North Africa. His argument was that it was invented to justify their actions and maintain their domination over those remaining”
It could be that this is true. Inventing a figurehead is not a bad idea if you want to use him/her to focus a set of beliefs on. “Big Brother” was one such invention, and we see the role he played in 1984.
It would still seem to me though, that even if a figurehead was entirely fabricated, it would not harm the systems definition as a religion. The often mentioned Mithraism had, so far as a know, a figurehead, Mithra, who had no historical basis, and yet we would probably agree that Mithraism was a religion according to the definition given above.
“If he did exist, he was probably nothing more than a plunderer and a thief who stole from the caravans and merchants to which Gabriel granted him vouchsafe for his actions.”
Personally im more inclined to this idea…but i would say that the man who is known as mohammad was a tool of satan.
From what i can tell, it seems that the main objection to calling islam a religion, from your point of view, is that, by doing so, we are according it a higher and more noble position than if we merely refer to it as a cult or ideology.
Does that sound somewhat like it could be the case?
To me, the term ‘religion’ carries no such connotations of the belief’s acceptability and does not imply any morally elevated status. It is merely a man’s religion, that is, it is what he devotes himself to in practice and belief; it shapes his worldview and his actions in the world. It may or may not have a supernatural element. Islam obviously does.
Thanks again Ray. I look for your comments, as you often mention some interesting experience to go with your views on islam. Sounds like you had the chance to see some revealing aspects over the years!
regards and yours most cordially also,
StellaSaidSo says
‘…most Muslims have never read the Koran, much less in Arabic…’
Indeed, most Muslims are illiterate in their own language.
Even amongst ‘educated’ Muslims, familiarity with their ‘holy’ texts is rare. They often have no idea how explicit the hatred is for kuffar, or any understanding of the true significance of the hijab, and genuinely believe that ISIS is ‘unIslamic’. Unfortunately, these are the Muslims that the Left listens to most.
Ray Jarman says
I am sure that you know the inconcinnity of their thinking. Islamist hate atheist almost as much as they hate Jews and speaking of Jews, I hope some day for the far left Jewish people will explain why they support groups that hate Jews. I have asked two and one was a professor at San Diego State who stated that he supports the Arabs in former Jordan. He refused to listen to reason as does the LBGT community even when they witness homosexuals being thrown from the roofs of buildings.
StellaSaidSo says
‘…he refused to listen to reason…’
Indeed, Leftism is a scourge almost as toxic as Islam.