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After UK bans three free speech activists from entering, RT asks: “Free speech or hate speech?”

Mar 12, 2018 4:32 pm By Robert Spencer

Hate speech is not free speech: this is an increasingly common slogan that is being used right now to shut down those who dissent from the Leftist line. The idea is that hate speech is an objectively identifiable category, and it does not enjoy the protection that the freedom of speech ought to be given. Who gets to decide what is hate speech? To whom should be entrusted this governing authority so that we know what hate speech is and rule it out of free speech protection? To give anyone, even Theresa May, the right to determine what hate speech is and silence it on that basis is giving a tool to the powerful to silence the powerless, and a tool to tyrants to silence their critics. The freedom of speech, the right to enunciate what others may find objectionable, is our foremost protection against tyranny. “Hate speech” is not an objectively verifiable quantity; what it is depends entirely on who is doing the judging.

Thus the question “free speech or hate speech” is wrongly framed. If a government, like Theresa May’s government, is identifying certain speech as “hate speech” and banning it accordingly, there is no free speech at all. What you can and cannot say depends entirely upon the decision of the people in power. And that is no longer a free society, it is an authoritarian regime.

“Free speech or hate speech? Right-wing activists ‘banned’ from Britain (VIDEOS),” RT, March 12, 2018:

Right-wing activists have been banned from entering the UK and held in ‘detention centers’, sparking a free-speech debate on the streets of London. Members of Generation Identity (GI) and Antifa clashed on Sunday.

Border police held three high-profile members of GI just months after the group opened its UK wing. Martin Sellner, Brittany Pettibone and Lauren Southern were detained as they tried to make their way to London.

GI, seen by some as the European equivalent of America’s so-called ‘alt-right’ has been recruiting in the UK and attempting to spread its message, but a fierce left-wing opposition has seen meetings shut down and rallies interrupted. GI has an anti-Islam, nationalist message propagated through slick social media videos.

First, Sellner, the Austrian co-founder of GI, was held with activist and American girlfriend Pettibone at Luton Airport on Friday. The pair was detained when their plane touched down.

Speaking to fans on Periscope before she too was detained, Southern, from Canada, said her peers were being kept in a “detention center.”

“I’m just in absolute shock right now. They took them away in different locked vehicles and drove them to detention centers,” she said.

“[Pettibone]’s having to call people from a detention centre phone. They gave them very specific reasons. One they were going to interview Tommy Robinson and Martin Sellner is part of GI – a right wing group – they said ‘we are detaining you and banning you from the united kingdom because you are right wing.’

“This is political discrimination – this is political profiling. I was supposed to go there tomorrow. God knows what will happen to me, will I be put in a detention centre? I can’t see my friends because of their political opinions. I can’t meet one of my best female friends to talk about right wing politics.”

On Monday morning, Southern took to Twitter to announce she was being held in Calais after trying to enter Britain by bus. Southern joked online she had self-identified as “Pakistani” to French police as she was held in Calais.

However, angered supporters called on the government to be clear about what was happening.

A free-speech row erupted in the UK over the trio’s detention. On Sunday, Speaker’s Corner was surrounded by police as left-wing activists Antifa attempted to stop a rally by right-wing groups, including GI. Sellner had been due to talk at the event.

Vinnie Sullivan of Veterans Against Terrorism and a number of other groups said right-wing groups are having free speech denied to them.

“I don’t have a platform unless I create it myself. We have to sneak around and use underground means just to get our message out,” he told RT UK. “In this country today it’s becoming a crime to be white, a crime to fly your own flag and a crime to have right-wing opinions.

“They [Antifa] turn up with their faces covered – we would be arrested for that. There is no free speech anymore – not even here.”

Sirens blared as left wing campaigners chanted “Nazis off our streets” and said there is a “difference between free speech and hate speech.”…

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  1. jihad3tracker says

    Mar 12, 2018 at 4:49 pm

    COMBINING THIS POST’S TOPIC WITH ANOTHER ONE CURRENTLY SEIZING MINDS OF AMERICANS WHO WANT THE 2ND AMENDMENT TO GO AWAY —

    Ask Leftists and Progressives and Democrats (if you happen to know any) whether they think students ought to be excused from classes to attend protests of slaughter from gun violence.

    The response will almost certainly be “Yes, of course.” Now, set your trap: ask those same persons if students should be excused from classes to attend protests of slaughter from jihad violence.

    BE PREPARED FOR COMPLETELY PUZZLED SILENCE, OR GRAY MATTER EJECTED, OR CHARGES OF ISLAMOPHOBIA.

    • Wellington says

      Mar 12, 2018 at 6:08 pm

      Seconded.

    • abad says

      Mar 12, 2018 at 8:21 pm

      Thirded.

    • CRUSADER says

      Mar 12, 2018 at 9:41 pm

      Motion PASSES !

    • Peter says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 12:44 am

      Yes indeed
      Those crickets are deafening

      • J D S says

        Mar 13, 2018 at 12:31 pm

        Does this sound like what was happening in Europe,, well maybe Germany, in 1939 and forward that encompassed the most of Europe eventually until the U.S. saved them…On one might say…wait a minute the U.S. didn’t do it by themselves…
        Well what if?????
        I don’t think America is going to spill their blood again when Europe comes begging for help as did Churchill when they were about last hold out in the whole of Europe. and just think of this…….. There I’d no Grinding of tank tracks, no V2 rockets no drone of aircraft engines overhead no fire bombs dropping on helpless cities no sound of Jack boots stomping the streets……well I could go on….Shameful to be taken over without even defending oneself. Your leaders are on a destructive path taking you with them. WAKE UP CALL FOR EUROPE and lest we boast…..The U.S. ain’t far behind.

        • roger woodhouse says

          Mar 13, 2018 at 6:43 pm

          We lack the quality of leadership to handle the present situation.British goverents are not good at handling domestic issue since being in the EU.They have never needed to be.They just need to turn up at Westminster and go through the motions of playing at governent ,never being challenged never in fear of making the ‘wrong’decision’because there never was a ‘wrong’decision to make.Their jobs were secure once elected.The British people(those living outside the metropolis)twigged this long ago.Brexit was our only chance to express in a meaningfull way just what we thought about them.The established parties and their masters are doing all they can to stop Brexit.They will not succeed.

        • Carol (the 1st) says

          Mar 13, 2018 at 11:33 pm

          Many posts on this site indicate that Englishmen are becoming afraid for their livelihoods, afraid for their children, and afraid due to a lack of proper loyalty from their government. It appears that extermination/dhimmitude is what is planned for their cultural future:

          The UN General Assembly lists five forms of genocide:
          (a) Killing members of the group;
          (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
          (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
          (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
          (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

          Raymond Ibrahim discusses how Islam has gained more converts by these spiritual/cultural purges than by actual killing:

          http://raymondibrahim.com/2018/03/13/islams-slow-motion-genocide-christians/

    • Shmoovie says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 3:02 am

      Great idea! Tried it; got rolling eyeballs and “it’s not the same.” No explanation offered as to WHY it’s not.
      Then an obviously annoyed change of subject to how nice it is that the snow is melting.

    • Dalit says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 3:46 am

      brilliant

    • Charles T Lawson says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 7:05 am

      And thirdly ?

    • Mark says

      Mar 15, 2018 at 4:06 am

      Or ask them if these students should be let out of class to protest the murder of over 3000 unborn US citizens every day. Watch the outrage at this suggestion!! You will be called a hater and worse.

  2. gravenimage says

    Mar 12, 2018 at 5:13 pm

    After UK bans three free speech activists from entering, RT asks: “Free speech or hate speech?”
    …………………….

    That the UK is increasingly barring non-violent people from even entering the country is just appalling. There is no freedom of speech in Britain today.

    • Paul says

      Mar 12, 2018 at 6:39 pm

      Basically, we’re screwed. It shouldn’t be any surprise to anyone at all that the same
      lot who disgracefully banned Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller from entering the
      UK five years ago would pull something like this.
      Meanwhile, the piece of shit who blew up kids at a pop concert was known to the
      authorities and they allowed him back into the country. Goodness knows how
      many more are “known to the authorities” right now.
      In a nutshell, civil war is absolutely inevitable.

      • roger woodhouse says

        Mar 13, 2018 at 5:27 am

        It cant come soon enough!

        • Paul says

          Mar 13, 2018 at 10:40 am

          Very true, Roger.

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 13, 2018 at 8:14 pm

        Don’t despair–stand up for your civilized culture! What is happening in the UK now is an affront to every brave Briton who fought for freedom there.

    • laura ann says

      Mar 12, 2018 at 6:42 pm

      Another country over there implementing sharia law while the citizens are not protected against any crimes. Muslims do as they please as police ignore their actions. Again, they let it all happen.

  3. Indiana Tom says

    Mar 12, 2018 at 5:18 pm

    If a government, is identifying certain speech as “hate speech” and banning it accordingly, there is no free speech at all. What you can and cannot say depends entirely upon the decision of the people in power. And that is no longer a free society, it is an authoritarian regime.
    Geeee…..all these years I was getting lonely thinking I was the only one who realized that about the faux hate speech labels.

    • Flavius Claudius Iulianus says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 3:11 am

      Most “hate speech” laws in Europe lack the defense of the truth. Therefore, the label of “hate speech” is little more that a cover for muzzling dissent.

      • christianblood says

        Mar 13, 2018 at 4:34 am

        Western MSM has met its maker! Watch its funeral:

        • CRUSADER says

          Mar 13, 2018 at 7:51 am

          Lame-stream Drive-By Media:

          REST IN HELL !
          (May you never meet Walter Cronkite, who resides in Heaven.)

          ….There ARE Alternatives to LSDBM, now….

        • christianblood says

          Mar 13, 2018 at 7:59 pm

          CRUSADER

          Very well-said, CRUSADER!

  4. John 1423 smith says

    Mar 12, 2018 at 5:21 pm

    The British, in particularly the English, are having their country stolen from them. Antifa, otherwise known as the Communist-Marxist Not Working Unwashed, receive backing from the globalist Soros. Liebour has been taken over by the Marxists from Momentum. The footsoldiers for this scum are the islamists and immigrants. Not just here but right across Europe.

    Because these globalist pro-EU scum can see anti immigration parties winning right across Europe they are running scared. Hence they ban free speech.

    They hid the mass gang rape of 1400 white girls in Rotherham as they knew the British public would be horrified if they knew the truth. All of these facts are pouring out now.

    Civil war is INEVITABLE.

    • Guy Forester says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 12:39 am

      Civil war is inevitable ONLY if the peasants/serfs can rise against the tyrants. Unfortunately, the UK and EU serfs and peasants have been disarmed with few exceptions. Unless your military and armed LEO’s are going to back up the slaves, I mean serfs, I mean citizens, there will only be a brief slaughter of the unarmed foolish enough to challenge their masters. In other words, feudalism, Czarist Russia, the USSR, PRC, or the old Imperial Rome model of governance.

      l hope I am wrong about the UK military and LEO’s, but remember that in most countries of the world, the military are not there to defend the country or to attack any country that might even remotely fight back if attacked. They are there to protect the despots and keep the serfs in their place.

      • Martin Luke says

        Apr 6, 2018 at 3:08 am

        Well said

        • josh martin ynti says

          Apr 6, 2018 at 3:10 am

          makes sense .

    • Westman says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 2:20 am

      One should keep in mind that revolutions occur when a nation’s indigenous military is no longer in support of the government and refuses to kill citizens for the political ends of the Elites.

      The EU administration is attempting to create an EU Miltary, making it into another incarnation of the USSR. The EU Antifa is just another bunch of idealistic Bolsheviks. Listening to the rhetoric of Juncker, Merkel, and their lieutenants, who could doubt that if they had an army, they would be the new invaders of Poland to force their immigration agenda?

      The days for the sovereignty of the EU’s states are numbered as the old communism sneaks in the back door with a new Halloween mask. Hopefully, nations beyond the UK will revolt against the power grab of the EU before it’s too late, culture destroyed, and freedom gone.

    • laura ann says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 10:11 am

      John: And who will stand up and fight against Muslims and Europe’s leaders supporting them?

  5. Indiana Tom says

    Mar 12, 2018 at 5:28 pm

    Ask Leftists and Progressives and Democrats (if you happen to know any) whether they think students ought to be excused from classes to attend protests of slaughter from gun violence. The response will almost certainly be “Yes, of course.”
    Of course, because they are the organizers of the event. Think Nazis and Hitler Youth.

    Now, set your trap: ask those same persons if students should be excused from classes to attend protests of slaughter from jihad violence.
    Of course not because the Jihadis are their allies in the Red Green Axis. Think Nazis and Hitler Youth.
    The National SOCIALISTS were actually Leftists.
    Mussolini proved there was not much difference between Communism and Fascism. He was both.

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Mar 12, 2018 at 11:42 pm

      In reading about the history of both the Italian and German Fascist movements, it is very telling to see just how many members of Socialist, Workers and Union type groups switched to the Fascists once they started to gain momentum.

      Il Duce himself was involved in a Socialist party, and large number in both the NSDAP and the associated SA all joined after leaving communist/workers parties.

      National Socialism is exactly what it says on the can. It promises all the same welfare state, government funded, capitalist bashing, communitarian workers paradise, just with a more strident interest in the people of which ever country it is operating within, rather than the internationalism so central to communist thinking.

      • MFritz says

        Mar 13, 2018 at 12:18 am

        And that also explains why the German, Spanish and Italian nationalists, the military, the catholic and/or protestant church AND big business financed and supported Hitler, Franco and Mussolini?

        Somebody here REALLY wants to blame the left for everything. And hasn’t read ANY decent history book – yet.

        ALL totalitarian ideologies are WRONG. EVERY… SINGLE… ONE.

        • Guy Forester says

          Mar 13, 2018 at 12:43 am

          It seems to me that if one goes far enough to the left, or far enough to the right, the end point is the same. Only the name changes.

          The churches get involved because they have become “institutions.” Which means that they no longer exist to promote whatever they started out doing. They now exist only to perpetuate themselves. They will go along to get along and to hold off getting absorbed into the government or abolished.

        • MFritz says

          Mar 13, 2018 at 12:51 am

          A “center” (balance) between ideologies may not exist! But there are always alternatives. And (any) political extremism does not start at the fringes.

          And the churches have always been power opportunists (ever since their worldly power was taken away), but they also strongly agreed with any ideology fighting communism. And so they – very willingly – made the deal with the devil.

        • CRUSADER says

          Mar 13, 2018 at 7:55 am

          Totalitarian ideologies….yeah.

          But perhaps not certain Totalitarians/Authoritarians:

          Julius Caesar
          Cromwell
          Napoleon
          Tito

          ….to name a few who brought change….

        • MFritz says

          Mar 13, 2018 at 8:15 am

          “Some” examples you have given us…

          1. Julius Caesar – waged war against Gallian celts for personal gain and exterminated whole tribes in the process, ended the Roman republic (and democracy) and was murdered before he could declare himself emperor

          So, what “good” did he do?

          2. Cromwell – started a bloody civil war, oppression of catholics, planned to become king, had no plans what would happen to England after his death

          Without Charles II. following up, England’s population would have been split AND the country ruined.

          3. Napoleon – a couple of million dead Europeans thanks to war, famine and disease

          The Napoleonic code may be considered an “improvement”, but the French revolution also influenced the rest of Europe in this direction. Without waging bloody war.

          4. Tito – oppressed the people of Jugoslavia instead of uniting them, mainly responsible for the split and the bloody civil war that followed afterwards

          Sorry, no benefits with this one.

          No, thank you. Both totalitarian AND authoritarian are BAD choices.

        • CRUSADER says

          Mar 13, 2018 at 5:38 pm

          Oh, MFritz, please spare us.

          Me thinks thou protesteth far too much!! Art thou a John Wilkes Booth?

          Caesar got a bum-rap! Thanks to Shakespeare (who had to play it cool under a monarch) and many of the other historical writers who had to display coolness under imperial pressures…

          > For his times, Caius Julius Caesar was a revolutionary.
          He, being a patrician populist, was of the similar ilk of the Gracchi…and Marius.
          He countered the reactionary Sulla. He opposed the greedy Optimates who were wrong to think the Republic could withstand as it devolved into a shell of what it once had been. Romans had to take on the mantle of empire to administrate the cosmopolitan breadth they had expanded. Caesar expanded Roman influence into Gaul and secured a buffer against tribes that would aggress Rome. Much of what we take for granted as Europe came about first with this expansiveness. Caesar wanted to place plebes and veterans in more self-sustaining colonies by taking away the control economy of the factory owners (who were greedy conglomerates of the Optimate class).
          Caesar travelled the expanse of Roman reach and was able to learn what needed bolstering and what could be gained to improve Rome, itself. Egypt’s medicines and sciences and literature and philosophies were all admired by Caesar who deemed it possible to help make Rome better: bringing in commerce, libraries, schools, wider avenues, etc. His plans were cut short by the Optimates who wanted to do his ideas and plans in. They wanted to shut him up and shut him down. That led to Civil War.

          > Cromwell did away with the Royalty, and tried to have the English find within them a sense of greater independence and power at levels not tried without monarchy. He had a devil of a time accomplishing such a revolutionary act, since the sense of most in power had believed that monarchy was imperative, and thus they couldn’t conceive of how a revolutionary concept (which anticipated AMERICA) could be achieved. Many of this royal ilk would’ve balked at the model of Caesar! They took after the later imperial model of Rome, which in part was Rome’s own downfall, due to not enough political and economic liberty — while having too much frivolity and libertine cultural pursuits.
          Cromwell’s efforts were cut short in his brief political career. Civil Warring already occurred, he was successful as a leader in it. Cromwell hoped the puritan ethic would put England on more competitive terms with the Netherland’s in commerce and power. Cromwell had to put the Protestant view in place, as the Catholic influence had jeopardized England. Cromwell’s actions led to eventual Glorious Revolution by the Dutch influence, with William becoming King.
          Cromwell has a statue of him at Parliament!

          > Napoleon tried to bring order to what the French Revolution fostered. As if the Bourbon restoration was really a better choice? Volumes are written on what Napoleon brought to Europe, aside from the warring. He was a change agent. He had not wanted to war anymore, having already predicted it played itself out. He wanted to have France become a beacon of high civilization, which he might’ve been able to achieve if the Monarchies hadn’t wanted to do him in. Those darned Optimates again!

          > Tito tried to be a wedge between the West and Stalin, he stood up to Stalin, which wasn’t physically hard to do, but was exceedingly difficult politically to do. Tito kept the factions inherent to Yugoslavia under-wraps.

          As we have seen in Eastern Europe, much had been preserved in way of architecture and old ways, which seem to be playing out in terms of battling the Muslim incursion, which the wily and wayward West can’t seem to cope with, due to being lax with it all.

          These are far stellar examples of what is possible under some forms of authoritarianism, if enlightened enough. Remember what Platon had sought!

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 13, 2018 at 8:21 pm

          Yes–both the “far right” and “far left” are totalitarian, and not much different from each other.

        • LeftisruiningCanada says

          Mar 14, 2018 at 3:06 am

          “And that also explains why the German, Spanish and Italian nationalists, the military, the catholic and/or protestant church AND big business financed and supported Hitler, Franco and Mussolini?”

          Too many generalizations there MFritz. Some elements from those groups supported the NSDAP. Some didn’t. It depends what time frame we would want to talk about during their rise to power, and once in power.

          The ‘big business’ support is largely a myth, especially during the years before Hitler was given the Chancellorship. Afterwards, it wasn’t like they had much choice, seeing as the State laid claim to everything anyway.

          “Somebody here REALLY wants to blame the left for everything. And hasn’t read ANY decent history book – yet.”

          No. It’s just that National Socialism owes more of it’s ideas to the left than to the right. The very fact that it places so much emphasis upon the power of the State (indeed, the State is everything) means it is not a creature of the right, which typically desire less state intervention.

          Please, feel free to address any of the points i made in this or the previous post about the characteristics of Nazi or Fascism, and let’s get down to specifics rather than insults (which i have noted you are quick bring out).

          “ALL totalitarian ideologies are WRONG. EVERY… SINGLE… ONE.”

          If we are meaning political ideas granting the State unlimited scope of influence in the lives of individuals, then yes, i agree fully.

  6. DHazard says

    Mar 12, 2018 at 6:10 pm

    “…. a tool to the powerful to silence the powerless, and a tool to tyrants to silence their critics”

    Hate speech laws are actually used by the powerless to silence people who are smarter than they are. If you are smart enough to discern truth from lies than you understand more than the leftist who seeks to silence you. The left doesn’t understand anything except their own ideas, which they got from somebody else.
    Those ideas cannot stand up to scrutiny so anyone who can effectively dismantle their ideology is a threat that MUST be shutdown before they infect other people with reality.

    • Norger says

      Mar 12, 2018 at 7:59 pm

      Hear hear!

    • Guy Forester says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 12:46 am

      This is also why the left ultimately will resort to violence to silence any critics. This goes for any totalitarian regime, ideology, tin pot dictator, or religion that has become established within the government.

  7. Ren says

    Mar 12, 2018 at 7:04 pm

    Hate speech is certainly free speech.

    • David M says

      Mar 12, 2018 at 8:07 pm

      Yes, free speech means I have the right to offend you.

      • Ren says

        Mar 12, 2018 at 11:31 pm

        Free speech also means that I have the right to express the aversion that I feel for whatever.

  8. Roland says

    Mar 12, 2018 at 7:05 pm

    Well, if you love something, the opposition would be to hate the other, or is that too simplified?
    So then who decides where the milemarkers are, wars are fault for such reasons, so the benchmark must be based on truth, not ideals.

  9. Timothy says

    Mar 12, 2018 at 7:42 pm

    The detainment of the people at the airport and detention centers is like Nazism.

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Mar 12, 2018 at 11:44 pm

      It is certainly showing signs of becoming authoritarian. If it will end up moving in a Fascist, Communist or some other unpleasant direction, is to be seen.

  10. PRCS says

    Mar 12, 2018 at 7:42 pm

    “Hate speech” in the U.S.:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_in_the_United_States

    “Effectively, the Supreme Court unanimously reaffirms that there is no ‘hate speech’ exception to the First Amendment.”

    A good bumper sticker, I think.

  11. mortimer says

    Mar 12, 2018 at 7:50 pm

    The Left says, “OUR HATE SPEECH IS AUTHORIZED, but YOUR hate speech is censored.”

    • CRUSADER says

      Mar 12, 2018 at 9:46 pm

      “DENIAL” is a film about Free Speech.

      (Notion of: …No Holes, so No Holocaust….)

      But it showcased a legal battle in UK which makes the burden of defense on the accuser not the victim… thus the accuser/victim has to be properly defined, in order for the court to proceed with trial.

      Quote from the movie advocates free speech but not wrong facts and not lies and not false opinions.

      Thinking about how all this applies to Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller.

      If they were making claims but then they became the victims, the onus is upon the accusers NOT them, so the UK Government should be on trial.

      ======================

      Denial (2016 film) – Wikipedia
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_(2016_film)

      “Denial” is a 2016 British-American historical drama film based on Deborah Lipstadt’s book History on Trial: “My Day in Court with a Holocaust Denier”. It dramatises the Irving v Penguin Books Ltd case, in which Lipstadt, a Holocaust scholar, was sued by Holocaust denier …

  12. Axolotl Grunch says

    Mar 12, 2018 at 8:13 pm

    Brittany Pettibone, an American citizen, had come to the UK interview Tommy Robinson, a free British citizen. She was handcuffed then ‘detained’, incommunicado, at a secure facility, without charges (having broken no law) for three days. She was then deported.
    Her companion, Martin Sellner, received the same treatment. He had come to give a talk about free-speech!
    They must have wondered if they had arrived in 1950’s East Germany.

    Next weekend will be interesting.
    Tommy Robinson will attempt to give Sellmer’s talk at Speakers Corner at 3pm on Sunday

    • CRUSADER says

      Mar 12, 2018 at 9:50 pm

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK9dsTaH-7c

      BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU !!!

    • roger woodhouse says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 7:04 pm

      Yes indeed.3pm Sunday.Be there.(if you can)Should be quite interesting!I will be there.

  13. Mike says

    Mar 12, 2018 at 8:18 pm

    It says enough when the Russians can lecture the English on the topic.

    • Flavius Claudius Iulianus says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 3:05 am

      The Russians aren’t lecturing. They are just reporting (and snickering under their breath.) Showing someone’s hypocrisy is far more effective than lecturing.

  14. Arthur says

    Mar 12, 2018 at 8:39 pm

    A brief message from the British Crown,

    “Speech which incites violence is hate speech. Hate speech is prohibited. Your political views are prohibited because they will incite violence. Namely, if you speak, we will beat you to death.”

  15. Prebanian says

    Mar 12, 2018 at 8:47 pm

    “there is a “difference between free speech and hate speech.”…there certainly is: free speech is to be found on a free Speaker’s Corner while hate speech in found in the Koran.

    • roger woodhouse says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 7:05 pm

      Hear hear

  16. Grizzly says

    Mar 12, 2018 at 9:19 pm

    That is insane!! That is actually the behaviour of Communist Russia & Communist China & Nazi Germany! Are they REALLY that stupid!?

    One of them is Laura Southern, a Canadian national. How can we be sure, with the sudden turning of England into a totalitarian state that she’s being treated humanely? Of course, since she’s neither Leftist or Muslim then our current current government under Justin Trudeau couldn’t give a rat’s ass about her.

    How deeply the West has fallen in such a short time.

  17. CRUSADER says

    Mar 12, 2018 at 9:42 pm

    Why won’t UK banish Holocaust denier David Irving ?

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 8:30 pm

      CRUSADER, I am *no* fan of Holocaust deniers–but if they are non-violent I don’t think they should be banned, either–just vigorously countered.

  18. Grizzly says

    Mar 12, 2018 at 9:59 pm

    I just remembered the old saying that it’s always darkest just before the dawn. Our political masters are getting very afraid of the backlash & uprising they can start to see among ordinary people. Witness not only these three but what has happened with the English Defense League, Robert Spencer, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Bridgette Gabriel… the list goes on.

    It’s very dark right now.

    People like Elizabeth May & Angela Merkel are terrified that the average citizen is going to actually understand just how much desperate danger their civilization is in… the backlash is going to be huge. They’re desperate to shut it down & shut people up; as all dictators are. I just hope that it’s not too late in the game to stop & reverse the policies & effects of these traitors to thousands of years of civilizational development.

    But we have Cassandras like Robert Spencer (& many others) to thank for sounding the warnings. If only they’re heeded in time. Cassandra was an ancient Greek woman gifted with stating true prophecies & cursed with not being believed.

    • Guy Forester says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 12:49 am

      Please see my note above you regarding an uprising. Good luck.

  19. Lydia Church says

    Mar 12, 2018 at 10:08 pm

    Another thing to look at in this regard is the following:

    Take speakers who oppose islamic terrorism.
    They have evidence, history, statistics and so on to back up their claims.

    So what is next, they won’t allow certain people into a courtroom
    to use their freedom of speech to express the evidence against
    who is guilty, because that is now ‘hate speech’ depending on who
    they like and don’t like?

    This is the new normal.

    • Guy Forester says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 12:52 am

      Actually, that happens more than we would like to believe. A number of people have been finally exonerated after pro bono third parties, many years after the trials, showed an appeals court evidence, testimony, and witnesses that were withheld from the defense. So yes, it happens.

  20. Lydia Church says

    Mar 12, 2018 at 10:18 pm

    “she too was detained,”…”said her peers were being kept in a “detention center.””

    “They took them away in different locked vehicles and drove them to detention centers,” …

    “call people from a detention centre phone. They gave them very specific reasons… they said ‘we are detaining you and banning you from the united kingdom because you are right wing.’ ”

    “This is political discrimination – this is political profiling. …God knows what will happen to me, will I be put in a detention centre? I can’t see my friends because of their political opinions. I can’t meet one of my best female friends to talk about right wing politics.”

    “right-wing groups are having free speech denied to them.”

    “We have to sneak around and use underground means just to get our message out,”

    “In this country today it’s becoming a crime to be white, a crime to fly your own flag and a crime to have right-wing opinions.”

    “There is no free speech anymore – not even here.”

    ***

    This is how the road to the holocaust is paved.

    We are well on our way.

  21. Cheer Bear Girl says

    Mar 12, 2018 at 10:23 pm

    Freedom no longer exists in the UK. I don’t want to visit Europe if they’re refusing to protect their people. It is a crime to criticize the Muslim migrants as the rape and pillage Europe.

    • Guy Forester says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 12:53 am

      The UK, Scandinavia, and most of Europe are now off my bucket list. I refuse to spend money there.

  22. LeftisruiningCanada says

    Mar 12, 2018 at 11:49 pm

    It very bad when the physically violent actions of some can determine the peaceful free speech of others.

    Isn’t it one of the very foundational purposes of government to prevent this from happening?

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 12:21 pm

      I did not forget it.

      I never knew it!

      Thanks!

      I’m also in favor of some kind of idea which requires citizens to earn the franchise. Not quite along the lines you suggest, but something. Even if it’s just raising the voting age and paying income taxes for a few years.

  23. MFritz says

    Mar 13, 2018 at 12:21 am

    The globalists have decided and UK politics want to replace the population. And any criticism stands in its way.

    • StellaSaidSo says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 5:46 am

      Succinctly put, MFritz.

  24. Guy Forester says

    Mar 13, 2018 at 12:57 am

    Another good example of why the US Constitution, and especially the Bill of Rights (first 10 Amendments) must be protected AT ALL COSTS. Loss of the Bill of Rights will leave us as slaves to an ever growing, powerful, and corrupt dictatorship.

    The people of the UK are subjects of the Crown. The Crown will tell you what your rights are and can apparently change these without consent of the slaves, I mean governed.

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 12:24 pm

      +1

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 8:48 pm

      Good post.

  25. Flavius Claudius Iulianus says

    Mar 13, 2018 at 3:02 am

    It seems that being banned from the UK has become a rather prestigious club for independent thinking intellectuals. Where do I apply?

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 12:27 pm

      Posting here may be a good start.

      Now go make a youtube channel, and get a few hundred thousand followers who agree with your conservative views. Perhaps submit a few pieces to the Rebel.

      Then all you have to do is publically state that you are headed to the UK for some small political activity such as talking a walk through tower hamlets, and you will almost certainly be detained for purposes of preserving the public peace.

      Your ban will follow soon after.

    • CRUSADER says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 5:42 pm

      RIGHT!
      I want to follow those who get banned!

      Change Agents, whistleblowers, these are who lead us into something different!
      We are not accepting of the current reality and status quo, so we seek else-wise.

      +++++++++
      DEUS VULT
      +++++++++

  26. Baucent says

    Mar 13, 2018 at 3:39 am

    The attack on free speech is related to the Establishment attempting to stamp out any and all expression of views that undermines the goal of multiculturalism. The politicians talk of “community cohesion” as if they believe they can hold Britain together if only they achieve it. But the evidence of the last thirty years is melting pots don’t work. Cultures and belief systems and old animosities don’t dissolve as migrants are absorbed into melting pot of Western civilization.There is some hope if the immigrants have some shared values and empathy with the majority culture. But immigrants from vastly different cultures (and religions) are least likely to find that common ground. What they do is find others like themselves and so congregate together. There is no cohesion in the future, only separation, isolation and no go zones. And the politicians can talk about “common purpose” until they are blue in the face, but no one is listening.

  27. No Fear says

    Mar 13, 2018 at 4:44 am

    I hope Lauren Southern will take her detention like a man……which she is…….. 🙂 ha ha

    Seriously how could a government think Lauren Southern was a threat to ANYONE? She is a reporter! Do they think she will throw her microphone at someone? F***ing stupid UK govt.

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 12:29 pm

      ha, yes, i remember that.

      Show how low UK politics has gone when (let’s face it) small time media personalities attract the attentions of the state like this.

      Smells like islam to me. They are petty enough.

  28. David M says

    Mar 13, 2018 at 5:05 am

    Tommy Robinson will be at Speakers Corner 3:00 PM Sunday to deliver the same speech Sharia May banned. If any freedom lovers are nearby & can go support him & send a message to the fascist English government that will be appreciated.

    https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiPjIvh9-jZAhXLULwKHfjVB6UQtwIIPjAG&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DtXyJ-QxfTwM&usg=AOvVaw0d9IOCc16AMiaFl2fdTulU

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 12:31 pm

      What are betting that some ProtoFa goons and/or islamic jihad will be there to make it more interesting?

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 8:53 pm

      Bravo, Tommy Robinson!

  29. Gjallarhornet says

    Mar 13, 2018 at 6:03 am

    Islam is the problem. Not the people pointing that out.

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 12:31 pm

      Sadly, islam and the UK establishment disagree 🙁

  30. Anne Smith says

    Mar 13, 2018 at 6:45 am

    As a resident of UK and an Englishwoman, I am absolutely horrified at this news. We have the foolish Theresa May in Parliament issuing ultimatums, which she can never enforce, to Putin and the papers are full of the latest attempted murder of a Russian double agent and his daughter, but no mention whatsoever on any of the news of these detentions and deportations.

    We are not allowed to deport illegal immigrants or immigrant rapists, murderers or violent criminals back to their own countries, but it seems we can quite easily do deportations for the wrong sort of ideas.

    What on earth is happening to our country?

  31. UNCLE VLADDI says

    Mar 13, 2018 at 7:47 am

    Hate is only the perfectly natural human response of perpetual anger towards ongoing crimes.
    It is not a “sin” nor a moral defect, nor even a cause of anything – it is an effect and a tool.
    I hate crimes and the criminals who commit them – how is that wrong?

    😉

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 12:32 pm

      No….can’t think of a reason 😉

    • CRUSADER says

      Mar 13, 2018 at 5:43 pm

      RIGHTEOUS ANGER !!!!

      ==================

      +++++++++
      DEUS VULT
      +++++++++

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