The hospital believes the woman is not in breach of the law. A day after the incident the hospital reached out and apologised for the unfortunate event and promised to investigate the situation further. The hospital stated it was unacceptable for a patient be given favourable treatment in this case.”
Good, but it’s noteworthy that this favorable treatment always goes only in one direction. We rarely, if ever, hear stories in Europe about non-Muslims inadvertently violating Islamic norms or offending Muslim sensibilities. It’s always the non-Muslims who are placed at a disadvantage.
“Muslim patient forbids Austrian father from entering hospital room and visit his ill daughter,” Voice of Europe, March 24, 2018:
Having a sick child is one of the most horrible cards a person can be dealt in life and not even being allowed into your child’s room is even worse. In Vienna the family Salfenauer experienced exactly that and not because of medical reasons but because of the religious beliefs of another patient.
The family Salfenauer brought their daughter (23), who is suffering from multiple sclerosis, to the hospital for treatment. Since the treatment can be fatal they always accompany her.
On entry into the hospital the family was quickly taken aside and instructed, that the father shouldn’t enter the room due to a ‘radical Muslim woman’, who does not allow any men to enter the room. Therefore the father of the sick woman had to stay in the door frame and could not be at his daughter’s bed to hold her hand.
Even though he followed the baffling instructions, the fully veiled woman heard him and demanded he left [sic] the room even though she was lying behind a partition wall. Understandably he got into a verbal argument with the woman. Eventually he and his wife left to cool off in the waiting area.
There the hospital staff and security asked them to leave for disturbing the peace. He told the newspaper Krone: “We were shocked that a radical, in this case a religious radical, gets to decide how we have to behave in Vienna. She gets to decide that I can’t see my daughter? Every form of radicalism is to be fought especially this type of psychological terror.”
Since the burqa was banned last year Mr.Salfenauer, a lawyer, has issued a formal complaint. The hospital believes the woman is not in breach of the law. A day after the incident the hospital reached out and apologised for the unfortunate event and promised to investigate the situation further. The hospital stated it was unacceptable for a patient be given favourable treatment in this case….
mortimer says
Austria has got used to this pandering it seems, but now there is a new government that banned the face veil..
However, the Left is still eager to pander to its violent ‘pets’, and established, traditional rights of ordinary people are quickly set aside whenever the Left’s violent ‘pet’ snarls. They seem to say, “We don’t want to upset them. Just help us keep them calm.”
Is this not a backhanded acknowledgment by the Left that they also FEAR THE VIOLENCE OF UPSET MUSLIMS? They will do anything to APPEASE their violent pets.
However, the Left doesn’t realize that at a certain level of population, Islam usually MAKES ITS MOVE to establish Islamic supremacy. At that stage, the Left which has enabled the jihad will be cast aside as being of no further use and then deprived of any political power.
Westman says
In a narrow vein, this is good publicity. Distributing a true picture of Islam among the citizens, by exposing real incidents, is the most effective way to defeat the subterfuge that has been accepted by government from smiling bearded faces.
The hospital would not, “investigate the situation further”, if it had not been exposed to the public. We can be certain that the hospital received a call from a government entity, “recommending” action.
Karen says
Excellent point.
PRCS says
Another consideration:
Has the Muslim woman refused treatment from male doctors?
If so, has the hospital acquiesced to that?
Ray Jarman says
Great question.
gravenimage says
True, Bonita.
PRCS says
” they play a game than is not meant for anyone but them to win”
Only if they’re allowed to.
Per the original question: if she has refused treatment from a male doctor–what was the hospital’s response, and are they permitting her religious beliefs preference in other areas (like her demand to prohibit male visitors from the room)?
Peter says
“At that stage, the Left which has enabled the jihad will be cast aside as being of no further use and then deprived of any political power.”
As a minority, islam demands rights from the majority. As a majority, islam gives NO rights to the minority. Time to STOP the islamification of the West.
J D S says
In my opinion on this matter, and to the Muslims,invading countries today, my opinion is worthless….and WE must change this or die in the process of trying…Muslim supremacy in a. Country other than a mid eastern Muslim country should not be tolerated if one wants to retain his country’s identity..Is no one standing up go these unwanted, unlawful invaders? These and many atrocious acts are being carried out all over Europe do we want this in America???
If not …DO SOMETHING! STAND FOR SOMETHING! or sooner or later one wil not stand at all.
Bee says
I would have marched into that room to be beside my child and to hell with their stupid ideology, if everyone did that, these situations would turn to favour the non-muslim.
Abu Nudnik says
That would have been the correct response. Then he’d have been arrested for visiting his daughter. BIG lawsuit.
gravenimage says
Yes–as it was, this man and his wife were thrown out of the hospital for conplaining in the waiting room that he was not able to visit his daughter. *Ugh*.
Stacy Girl says
You better believe it.
Ray Jarman says
That is what would happen here in the land of litigation (US) but not in Austria or in most EU states.
Clive J Maclennan says
I was just thinking the same, my family comes first before any of this crap, this world is going mad.
rubiconcrest says
Absolutely correct. Non-Muslims have every right to be offended by the intolerance of Muslims and to call them out on it by ignoring their demands.
Aaron says
Finally someone points out the obvious
We must state that we are offended by Muslim
Intolerance
Or are we to weak
Savvy Kafir says
Yes. We should ignore their demands.
Or tell them flatly “No — we don’t do things that way in the civilized world. Maybe you’d be more comfortable somewhere else. Someplace still mired in the seventh century.”
Or maybe just a simple “Kick rocks, b*tch!”
Save Europe says
Spot on Bee ?
Linda says
Yes.
Jayell says
This is just plain outrageously insolent. The muslim woman had absolutely no right to throw her weight around in this appallingly arrogant fashion and should have been thrown out of the hospital by the authorities since she clearly had no respect for the rights of others.
PRCS says
Well, as further investigation was called for, did the hospital staff remove one of the patients to another room as the first step in doing so, or were they left as they were?
IMO, it was their responsibility to rectify the problem, and the 23 year old woman’s family (Dad is a lawyer, eh?) to initiate relevant legal procedures.
Abu Nudnik says
“Favourable treatment?” How is that an accurate description? They allowed a patient to determine hospital policy!
Kay says
What if she had said she didn’t want Black people to visit? Would the hospital have upheld her wishes then?
Karen says
The Muslim woman shows her heart of stone. At a time of her own illness, couldn’t she show compassion for the sick woman in the next bed? If she was displaying her piety and superior moral values to impress the infidels, she has failed miserably.
Linda says
I don’t believe “compassion” is a trait that can be found among these people.
gravenimage says
Linda, the Muslim scriptures even tell the faithful “do not let compassion deter you”. What a vicious creed.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Yep. Religions generally try to have a person suppress their negative inclinations, while good ‘ol islam would have you suppress whatever good inclinations you might have towards people in general.
gravenimage says
*Exactly*, LeftisruiningCanada.
KRJ says
It’s a dangerous religious sect, they are like zombies – and we are pandering to them!
LeftisruiningCanada says
Well said Karen and H Ali. Hard as stone.
Michael Copeland says
If the muslim woman’s male owner – husband/father/brother – were to hear that she had been sullied by the presence of a filthy kaffir in the same room she becomes a candidate to be killed, to assuage the male supremacy of the muslim (also mis-termed “honor”-killing).
revereridesagain says
Allhahoockiekitciekoo will reward her by sending her to their whorehouse paradise instead of to hell where their child-raping “prophet” said most women go because we are too stupid. That’s all that she cares about. The suffering of a kuffar? What does that matter to one of the “Ummah”?
Carolyne says
The suffering of non-Muslims is not a consideration to Muslims. They have no morals and no compassion.
gravenimage says
Grimly true.
Joe Creho says
Yes, just go in and tell the woman to get lost. It’s time to make a stand.
And who the h*** does this Moslem woman think she is? She should just f*** o** back to wherever she came from.
And we in Europe are tolerating this. WE SHOULD BE DEEPLY ASHAMED.
Rob says
“Tolerating” it? Here in the UK just to criticise the muslima is to invite the thought police offering you 15 years hospitality to consider the error of your ways!
thesailor says
In a prison full of particularly violent moslems who the authorities will ensure know exactly why you are there. As I believe they did with Tommy Robinson.
emma says
the worst thing about this is she probably never paid taxes but is getting free health care, while the father of the ill girl may have paid taxes all his life and has to abide by her new rules.
gravenimage says
Also likely the case.
utis says
If the muslims want full-shariah hospitals, they should build and pay for their own. The Catholics did that in America, though they now rely on government funds and accommodate general populace. If the muslims had their own hospitals, patients could choose to go there, if they were masochistic dhimmi.
In the meantime, hospitals everywhere could have muslim-only rooms, so they don’t have to inflict their whack-job faith on others. That rude bitch wasn’t sick enough. I’ve had visiting members inflicted on me in hospital rooms, but I’ve usually been too sick to give a damn, and I had compassion on my “roommate.” I hope that lawyer rakes the patient and the hospital over the coals for this disgraceful behavior.
Kay says
Catholics are responsible for the building of hospitals in general. Their creed is to care for everyone, especially the most needy. They didn’t build hospitals for only Catholic patients nor to make people follow any Catholic rules but to care for others as their God commands.
gravenimage says
+1
Isntlam says
He has kufar germs.
elee says
NEVER IN MY WORLD
CogitoErgoSum says
Next time give her a sleeping pill along with a cup of camel urine prior to visiting hours.
CogitoErgoSum says
Of course, there may be another solution to this problem (as prescribed by Muhammad himself):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae1_ef5o7x0
Andy says
Why the Left Loves Mass Immigration
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu1trFe9BsI
LeftisruiningCanada says
Quite good that one Andy
Tjhawk says
It’s a long slow process. The parasite always works to change conditions to gain advantage for the parasite at the expense of the host. Good parasites damage, but don’t kill off, the host. After all, who will perform the necessary tasks that insure the survival of the parasite. That’s why the system of dhimmitude exists. However, being less intelligent than a parasite, many islamics play a zero sum game, and kill off the hosts, thus insuring their own failure.
Could anyone give me an example of an Islamic society that developed and maintained a successful without parasitizing off of a better culture? Maybe there is one, but I think generally, Islam is parasitic. This nasty piece of work is parasitizing the Austrian host.
JM says
Tjhawk,
You made an excellent observation on the parasitic nature of Islam, and on the necessary characteristics of successful parasites. Islam is too doctrinaire and ideological to understand how to be a successful parasite, which is one of the seeds of its inevitable failure (a few other reasons being tribalism, banning innovation and a work ethic, encouraging plunder, rape, slavery, torture, and killing against infidels and apostates from Islam).
Islam made life unbearable for its dhimmis (non-Muslims living under Islamic rule as third-class citizens and subject to paying the very high jizya tax) over the centuries. This made most of the dhimmis convert to Islam, which dried up tax revenues.
So Islam killed the goose that laid the golden egg. It was an unintelligent parasite, to use your metaphor.
The problem is that in the meantime, Islam is exceptionally deadly, and has killed 280 million people in 1,400 years. The main reason that Islam is such a threat to the developed world in our times is that the enormous oil wealth in many Muslim countries has given the Muslim world renewed hope for dominating the world. Unless Middle East oil runs out quickly, or the West turns to domestic oil and other energy sources, we are looking at a long and increasingly ugly conflict ahead of us.
Tjhawk says
Thanks for the further discussion. I think we have a very similar outlook on islam.
By the way, I think socialism/communism is also parasitic in nature.
gravenimage says
+1
JM says
I agree entirely that socialism/communism is also parasitic in nature.
“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” is a recipe for disaster, as has been amply proven in every such experiment through the ages, even well before the 20th century and its ghastly body count over 100 million victims to this evil ideology.
And both Islam and socialism/communism are totalitarian, intolerant, vicious, as well as leading to mass murder. The individual is worth nothing, as only the utopian vision matters.
Also, the apparent difference between the two systems that socialism/communism is atheistic is a false conclusion, because the latter is very religious. It has simply replaced God with Man. Karl Marx was a rabid God-hater in his youth, for example. His attempts at poetry show a very disturbed mind and soul who is obsessed with spiting God and destroying the world, and makes a pact with Satan.
(The book Marx & Satan by Richard Wurmbrand is very enlightening in this regard.)
Since socialism/communism does have a God, but its God is evil, and socialism/communism and Islam have much in common, this begs the question regarding Islam: is Muhammad’s Allah good or evil?
Rob Crawford says
There are hospitals in Muslim countries. Anesthetize her and send her to one of them.
Sarah says
I would have sauntered straight past the nasty piece of work and flat ignored her rantings. My family comes first, not the hate filled rantings of some primitive savage who frankly, should never have been in Vienna in the first place.
gravenimage says
Austria: Hospital allows “radical Muslim woman” patient to forbid non-Muslim father of another patient to enter room
………………….
Utterly shamful. That this happened in a hospital to a man trying to take care of this sick daughter makes this all the more appalling. That this man and his wife were then thrown out of the hospital is grotesque.
PRCS says
And:
Has the Muslim woman refused treatment from male doctors?
If so, did the hospital acquiesced to that?
As further investigation was called for, did the hospital staff remove one of the patients to another room as the first step in doing so, or were they left as they were?
IMO, it was their responsibility to rectify the problem, leaving the 23 year old woman’s family (Dad is a lawyer) to initiate relevant legal procedures.
The father should have sat right there, politely, letting the Muslima to make an ass of herself, and making the hospital’s staff responsible for “fixing” the problem.
As others have noted here, these events must NOT be withheld from the public.
revereridesagain says
If some “fullly veiled” whore of Mohammed had tried this on my father — who was about 5’6″ in his socks — when either I or my mother were in hospital she would have ended up with that hijab wrapped around her neck and stuffed down her throat. The hospital should have made it clear to her and her family before she was admitted that the Shari’a would not be observed, and thrown her out if she did something like this.
But of course, I guess in Austriastan the powers that be won’t allow that any more.
Indiana Tom says
On entry into the hospital the family was quickly taken aside and instructed, that the father shouldn’t enter the room due to a ‘radical Muslim woman’,
I would have demanded another room, if not…
I at least would have pulled my daughter out of the hospital and went to another.
JW_Reader says
Why should he move to another hospital that is not only time consuming but may also endanger the life of their daughter? Or, why should he even demand another room? He did the right thing. He should sue the hospital and may be all hospitals in Austria will change policy to not accommodate any savagery from Muslims. This is one of those cases that every one should take note of and make sure such thing do not happen again.
gravenimage says
Agreed.
Matthieu Baudin says
‘… “We were shocked that a radical, in this case a religious radical, gets to decide how we have to behave in Vienna. She gets to decide that I can’t see my daughter? Every form of radicalism is to be fought especially this type of psychological terror.”…’
Very well articulated by the parents involved. Here he uses the term ‘radical’ but he could just as accurately used the description ‘militant’. This is the problem, while it’s inevitable that we’ll face occasional tensions and misguided expectations coming from the cultural baggage of traditional Muslims, what we have at this juncture in Europe and abroad is a distasteful ‘militancy’ that has intentionally set itself on course to create waves, to make people uncomfortable and to force ‘compromises’ that are in reality ‘concessions’ from the broader community. Hospitals have no moral or legal obligation to kowtow to the rigidities and fixations of any radical individuals or groups including obnoxious Muslimas whose obligation is to ‘put up and shut up’ or book a room in a hospital in an overseas Islamic sanctuary for their treatment.
JM says
If Muslims didn’t allocate a large part of zakat money (obligatory alms and one of the five pillars of Islam) to financing global Islamic terror, they’d have enough money to build Muslim hospitals even in infidel lands like Austria. Then this devout Muslim woman would be with her own kind, instead of terrorizing infidels. Problem solved? More like the can kicked down the road.
JW_Reader says
It does not take much money to make bombs. It costs whole lot more to build a hospital. As most muslims in Europe are on welfate, they do not have the extra money laying around to build a hospital and run it. You need doctors to run a hospital. The Kaboom training that most muslims get in Afghanistan is of no use to treat patients.
JM says
Can you imagine the screaming if a male doctor entered the room, even if only to read the Muslima’s chart?
If the situation weren’t so grotesque, it might actually be funny.
Come to think of it, comedy sketches about situations like this would ridicule Islam and kick the legs out from under it in short order. It’s like the Emperor’s New Clothes. People would start to openly laugh at Islam and recognize its horrific, evil nature. Also, the enforced myth of multiculturalism would be shown as morally and intellectually bankrupt. And even the dhimmified globalists politicians and technocrats would have to concede that they can’t stop the process of entire populations awakening to the prospect of their impending doom just in time to avoid plunging from a cliff into the sea like a pack of lemmings.
simpleton1 says
JM
Yes, some succinct meme about islam, using some truth, like a verse or two from the koran, or hadith, that gels easily.
For a muslim then it will be explaining is losing.
Then easily their explanation may be again debunked, with another form of repartee.
Rinse and repeat, using skits, bill boards, songs, poems, chants, cartoons, etc.
We virtually have more than enough knowledge now, to be able to figure their explaining losing answers, to have another repartee, meme on the go.
We need to be relentless, and with out mercy.
The hardest ones to correct are our own, but we can gain inspiration, from Trump, Robert Spencer, and many other counter jihadists, then also knowledge, from the ages that also opposed islam.
JM says
simpleton1
+1
JM says
David Wood makes short work of Islam’s wretchedness with excellent humor and unassailable logic.
And he really knows his stuff when it comes to Islam. He’s also brilliant. Many of his videos are real gems.
Gjallarhornet says
This also shows how utterly frightened people have become. You should very well be able to imagine a nurse or a doctor saying to the jihadi woman “Rubbish” and thus canceling her whole show. This could and should be said be nurses or doctors who were just mainstream, perhaps having even a positive view of immigration. It is just common sense. Dosen’t happen. When they comply this nonsense, it is because they are *afraid*. A nurse will go a long way to give empathy for a suffering family. When they cave in to muslim pressure if is because they are afraid to get fired – by someone higher up. That’s where the problem lies. The system is rigged – in favor of islam, Lover ranking employees, like nurses and assistants, are terrified of making the papers as ‘racists’.
This is all a great shame. It also show how rotten and heartless the jihadis are. She imposes all of this suffering on a family in great pain and she doesn’t even remotely care. I don’t see the problem in checking out the options for deporting such people. Why is there never a minister after incidents like this that goes through the whole jihadits life story, in search of a reason to deport them? I’m sure you would find something that warranted deportation in there somewhere.
Gjallarhornet says
Oh, by the way. If I was in the father’s shoes, I would have marched right in. Then I would have sat there as long as my daughter wanted me to. If my daughter feel asleep, of course I would still be there. While I was waiting I would take out my computer and look up the page ‘Jihad Watch’, clearly visible to everybody around I hope, including the radical 🙂
Sarah says
Quite frankly, if I were that man I would have told the stupid dipshit draped in the black bedsheet to rot in hell – and I would’ve marched straight past the steaming pile of filth in order to hold the hand of my daughter. Probably with a long stream of profanities as I marched past her. Just for kicks and giggles.
A daughter suffering from complications from MS is always going to come first, well above and beyond some inbred, self-entitled, nasty piece of work – or any cowardly hospital employee.
Frankly, as far as I’m concerned, the father is a coward for submitting to this and standing patiently in the doorway (WTf?!?!), to begin with! If he’s telling the truth and his daughter’s life was at genuine risk from the procedure – then would any of us REALLY prioritize the demands of some Muslim over standing by our daughter’s bedside and holding her hand through that dangerous and traumatic ordeal?
That’s not a real man. Sorry, but it’s true.
gravenimage says
He was thrown out of the hospital for even complaining–he probably would have been arrested if he had insisted on staying in the room. I’m sure he *was* thinking of his daughter when he left.
I’m glad that he is speaking out to the press.
EnolaGay says
Another question. So the ill girl is left unprotected with a radical Muslim woman in her room who at any time can decide to smite the neck of the unbeliever. Which then would be another mental health diagnosis. But to try to prevent such an occurrence it would be called islamaphobic and a crime.
I was in hospital recently and a fat veiled woman came into my room. Thank God it was not to administer any medication because I would have had to refuse. She was there to remove my bedside toilet. Although still on alert I figured that was safe enough. I did not want her in my room period.
grool says
European men will continued to be cowed and neutered until they’re not anymore. Either they’ll rise up en masse and in force, or be killed off/eventually outbred out of existence. They have no third option; neither the Mohammedans nor the Left which imported them allow them one.
gravenimage says
Ridiculous. Europeans and others in the West need to vote in better politicians. The idea that there is nothing between surrender and blood in the streets is absurd.
Politicianophobia says
All in the name of Islam, the religion of bull shit.
grool says
The more I think about it, indications seem to suggest that European WOMEN may be the first to get sick of the madness and rise up. Who knows, it could happen just that way.
Kay says
We must all rise up. The ex-Muslims, the Jews, the Christians, the Hindus, the women and men.
White men have been most shamed into remaining silent because they are so often told their views don’t count because of “historical injustices” or that they can’t possibly understand.
Carolyne says
You can only be shamed if you allow yourself to be shamed. Stand up to this oppression. Say what you like wherever and whenever you like. Defeat the dictators.
JM says
grool
Agreed. And it may already have started. A number of Western European women in several countries have recently engaged in street protests against the abuse and violence visited upon them by the “cultural enrichers”. Hopefully this trickle will grow into a torrent and then a tsunami.
Carolyne says
As we discuss this horrendous action by the Austrian hospital, I am reminded that we can sit here and discuss it, while our English friends would go to jail if they did so. This is true in other countries too, but especially offensive that it can happen in the country of Magna Carta and Winston Churchill.
“And gentlemen of England now abed will think themselves accursed they were not here,” to fight against this tyranny of censoring free speech. From Shakespeare, of course, the greatest Englishman who ever lived.
gravenimage says
+1
JM says
Carolyne
Thank you for those wonderful words from Shakespeare.
The situation looked bleak just before the epic battle of Agincourt, just as it looks dire for Europe today. Such stirring words can awaken heroism in the meekest mortal.
Full text of the St. Crispin’s Day speech:
Henry V | Act 4, Scene 3
http://shakespeare.mit.edu/henryv/henryv.4.3.html
Ezra says
The radical moslem woman should have been beaten by the man as any god-fearing moslem man would have beaten her for insolence. Right?
LeftisruiningCanada says
ahh….no.
JM says
Where do non-Muslim (kuffar) men rank in the Muslim pecking order?
Do they rank below Muslim women (although above kuffar women)?
In any case, no one but a Muslim man can beat or otherwise touch a Muslim woman according to Islam.
If a kuffar man beat a Muslim woman, and since all Muslim women belong to a Muslim man,
the kuffar man would be guilty under Sharia of damaging the Muslim man’s property.
And it would take much less than bodily injury to earn a death sentence for a kuffar.
A simple insult or an insufficiently humiliated glance toward any Muslim, man or woman, will do the trick in Islam.
The world of dhimmitude is a deeply unpleasant prospect. Navel-gazing and hand-wringing time is over.
It’s time to spread the word.
gravenimage says
Under Shari’ah law, the rankings are carefully spelled out in blood money rates–Muslim men, then Muslim women, then Christian men, etc. A Muslim man is worth 15 times that of a Hindu woman.
gravenimage says
And no Infidel is allowed to strike a Muslim–not even in self defense.
Diane says
Iz-lam, enacted in any country, is like living with an abusive spouse/parent, who has a hair-trigger temper, lashing out at the slightest provocation; causing everyone to tip-toe around; walking on eggshells, with the oft-repeated phrase, ” Don’t say anything”, becoming a mantra. Even if the abuser were to stab you, and draw blood, you know you’re not even allowed to say, “Ouch! That hurts!”, because that be perceived as a rebuke… further offending the abuser.