Had Charles Martel and the Franks lost their battle against the jihadis at Tours in 732, the eighteenth-century English historian Edward Gibbon envisioned the continent’s complete Islamization:
A victorious line of march had been prolonged above a thousand miles from the rock of Gibraltar to the banks of the Loire; the repetition of an equal space would have carried the Saracens to the confines of Poland and the Highlands of Scotland; the Rhine is not more impassable than the Nile or Euphrates, and the Arabian fleet might have sailed without a naval combat into the mouth of the Thames. Perhaps the interpretation of the Koran would now be taught in the schools of Oxford, and her pulpits might demonstrate to a circumcised people the sanctity and truth of the revelation of Mahomet.
And now here we are: the jihadis lost at Tours, but their defeat was not complete, and now victory is at hand: “the interpretation of the Koran” is now “taught in the schools of Oxford,” or at least at the Oxford Centre for Islamic Studies. Is there a Center for Christian Studies at al-Azhar? Of course not. Has any Islamic entity ever sought improved ties with the Catholic Church? Don’t be silly.
“Dialogue” and interfaith outreach always and in every case go only one way, with fond Christians such as Vincent Nichols appealing for peace and friendship to Muslim leaders, who use the resulting “dialogue” to silence Christians who are talking about Muslim persecution of Christians and the Qur’an’s teaching regarding Christianity, and to engage in subtle dawah, Islamic proselytizing, with the participating Christians, and in any documents resulting from the “dialogue.”
So Vincent Nichols is pictured here planting a tree at the Oxford Centre for Islamic Studies, but that isn’t the only hole he is digging.
“Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14)
“Catholic Church sets out a vision for closer ties with Islam,” by Michael Binyon, The Times, March 3, 2018 (thanks to David):
How can dialogue between faiths lead to a deeper spiritual understanding? Is there not always a danger that both sides will talk across each other without listening or just agree on the bare minimum they have in common?
These questions were raised this week by Cardinal Vincent Nichols, the Archbishop of Westminster, when he made the first visit by the head of the Roman Catholic Church in Britain to the Oxford Centre for Islamic Studies, the dazzling new college that aims to become the country’s principal centre for the academic study of Islam.
He said that dialogue between faith and society would be “significantly impoverished” if dialogue between faiths were characterised by suspicion and hostility or were simply non-existent….
Emilie Green says
Obviously enough this guy doesn’t see all the one-way signs on the road he’s traveling.
Richard says
Almost no one does. How many people know even tiny portion of the things we read daily on this web site? There is a black out on it in the press. What thanks does Pam Geller get for her web site? The liberals have just destroyed her daughters’ careers. Islam is indeed the religion of peace – but it is the peace of the grave.
jihad3tracker says
HELLO TO EMILIE AND RICHARD — Pam Geller is the most courageous civilian in the United States, as I have written many times prior here on Jihad Watch. Go here to find her blog: http://www.pamelageller.com.
She is also our planet’s best defender of Israel, against the pathological anti-Semitism of Iran and 1400 years of Islamic Jew hatred.
As to Robert Spencer’s point in the post above: I am about as “White” as humans can get — half Irish & half Norwegian. The Archbishop of Westminster’s suicidal idiocy leaves me in profound regret about Western European inbreeding.
jihad3tracker says
By the way, for those readers who found Jihad Watch only recently — I have often mentioned DAVID WOOD’S excellent videos.
Here again are some short, and some long: “The Jihad Triangle”, “Three Questions For Moderate Muslims”, “What Is Taqiyya?”, “Three Stages Of Jihad”, “The Psychology Of Islam” [3 parts], “Muhammad – The White Prophet With Black Slaves”.
Please find enough uninterrupted time to watch one or two — maybe over our next weekend or when you have a day off from your work schedule. “The Jihad Triangle” runs just 4 minutes, and “Three Questions For Moderate Muslims” runs under 8 minutes.
SEND THEM TO CLUELESS FAMILY, FRIENDS, CLERGY, ELECTED OFFICIALS, MAINSTREAM MEDIA IN YOUR CITY.
More truth: www [dot] thereligionofpeace [dot] com / www [dot] inquiryintoislam [dot] com / www [dot] www [dot] politicalislam [dot] com / www [dot] barenakedislam [dot] com.
WE ARE IN THIS FOR THE SURVIVAL OF OUR CHILDREN.
Carol R says
Another good website is:
Prophetofdoom.net
It is the Qur’an translated into English and put into order. It paints a picture of a murdering fake prophet who used bribery, money and power to get his followers to do his bidding. They and he engaged in murder, rape, slavery, robbery and paedophilia to convert others to his sick cult.
gravenimage says
Yes–David Wood is great.
gravenimage says
is great
Cicero says
This a shocking but not totally unsurprising outcome in terms of how Ms Geller,’s daughters are being treated by the liberal establishment . However speaking the truth can cost us dear. But we must persist.
In any case I feel.certain that if her daughters are cut from the same cloth as Ms Geller they must survive and lead meaningful and successful lives.
May they be peaceful, May they be happy
gravenimage says
+1
Andy says
Why doesn’t the Catholic Church start with it’s own flock of Christians first before Islam.
Stop trying to convert those who are embedded in there dogma.
Take the plank out today Catholic Church!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYDYJYM2ms8
BC says
Do these Christian clerics and theologians ever read anything about Islam and look at the teachings of their bibles as opposed to the teachings of Mohammad? I suspect not or they would not consider for a moment compromising with Islam
Lavéritétriomphera says
The Christian clerics and theologians know Islam. I know it because I Speak with them in private. They are aware of the situation and they do not all agree with the pope. There is some chance that they speak in public with a forked tongue.
Mark Swan says
They hope to placate them—this of course is not possible.
Muslims serious about their belief, would focus on strength and weakness.
If they are given help they see it as obligatory of the non-believer—they feel entitled.
Their belief system has hardened their hearts—they are calloused emotionally
with no regard for any non believer’s humanity.
They view themselves at war with any non-believer—they view themselves as
superior to any nonbeliever—the only compromise they offer is subjugation
for any non-believer.
The World will have to decide—will it push back at this non-compromising
belief—or will it submit to it—there is no middle-ground with Islam.
Lavéritétriomphera says
The priest I know, says that many Muslims convert to Christianity, but they do not say it because they fear their community. I know atheist ex-Musilms too.
gravenimage says
Yes–most Muslim apostates stay very quiet out of fear.
J D S says
Once again I say that Catholics should be upset with their pope.Does the pope not know about the plan Muslim Islamist have to push their cult over the entire world. Does he not know Who is the driving force in islam.
Lavéritétriomphera says
The pope probably thinks that Islam will collapse. From the Catholic point of view, the revelation is not over, this is not the case with Islam.
Kay says
We can pray that Islam will collapse, but there remains the issue of how the younger generations are being guided these days.
Lavéritétriomphera says
hi,
Islam is a totalitarian ideology unable to evolve and it cannot be reform. This “religion” is obsolete, it will disappear. We all know Theory on Natural Selection. People lived before Islam, they will live after the collapse of this sinister ideology.
As a french man I prefer philosophies to religions.
Amitiés.
gravenimage says
I don’t think the Pope is counting on Islam collapsing–I think he is sucking up to it and thinks that it is here to stay.
Lavéritétriomphera says
If the pope is Catholic, the Holy Spirit is working, that’s why Islam will collapse and Protestant churches too, because they are wrong (as I have heard).
From the Catholic point of view, the Lord is the living God who continues to speak to mankind : “God speaks to us”.
Catholics are right when they say they conquered the Roman Empire with their faith. The powerful cross annihilates evil while retaliation (islam) is weakness.
Frank Anderson says
In 1400 years islam has killed about 300 Million people. More die every day. Please read Viktor Frankl’s Man’s Search for Meaning to see his coining the term “delusion of reprieve”. This is what death camp inmates did to keep going from one day to the next. I don’t think we need delusions, however pious. Please consider the teaching, “Pray as though everything depends on God; But act as though everything depends on us.” How many Christians died conquering Rome?
Lavéritétriomphera says
I answered Gravenimage. The pope as a Catholic can only believe that Islam will collapse. In my own region we have bad memories of crusades http://www.cathar.info/cathar_wars.htm and of the wars of religions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1562_Riots_of_Toulouse.
The Cathars, the Catholics, the Huguenots were/are Christians.
Frank Anderson says
1. I humbly beg your pardon for my inability to translate your name. I mean no discourtesy.
2. You and I are free people unless we surrender that freedom (submit) to others. I have had to see where a group I enjoyed has been taken over by people who changed it to make it clear to me that moving on was the appropriate action. I am satisfied with my decision and saddened by my loss. But, I need to close that door in order to open others.
3. I cannot honestly identify myself as a Christian as I understand Christianity; BUT I have many Christian friends of many persuasions. We seem to get along well and have in some cases for most of our lives. I have some understanding of the conflict I believe a Christian feels when a leader appears to sell out to anti-Christians who take great pleasure in slaughtering Christians. I see similar amazement with Jews who refuse to see what islam has planned for them.
4. I wish you well in freedom and liberty. When I was asking all questions starting with, “Who is God and What does He have to do with me?” my uncle was the only one who did not become speechless, saying. “That’s all right to ask those questions. They are the most important of your life. When you find your answer it will be the right one for you.” I share that for you in hope that my uncle’s thoughts from the late 1960’s might help you find peace and better company.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Hi Frank Anderson.
Sorry for the spelling mistakes.
My nickname means truth will win and God is truth. As I said before and as a french man, I prefer philosophies to religions.
Islam is a totalitarian ideology as Communism, Nazism, and” Christian”inquisition. I think totalitarian ideologies must all be defeated if we want peace in the world, and I do not want to say the words of my grandfather when the second world war was declared: “war again”, and I do not admire Napoleon https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Napoleonic_Wars_casualties.html.
Amitiés.
Frank Anderson says
As far as spelling mistakes, I live in a glass house.
Your preference for philosophies instead of religions is your personal and inalienable right to decide, with no comment or criticism from anyone else. After my 7 years of really harsh questioning, God finally communicated (to my satisfaction) that He is present. Now for 45 plus years my search continues. Free people do not do well in totalitarian environments, Hitler cursed Freemasons in the same breath as Jews and all others who would dare question his goals or methods. From what I have seen in my life God wins, sometimes in His time instead of mine; and sometime because I helped. I cannot support the idea that leaving our lives in the hands of those who are not Godly, but who are in fact in every measure Anti-Godly, violates what I call the trusteeship I have over the life that belongs originally to the God who created us all. Those who would encourage our conformity with the list of evil, with the complete absence of what we consider good, are not worthy of leading us. Nobody appreciates peace like the people who have to fight for it: They know what peace costs. Peace be with you.
Lavéritétriomphera says
I agree with you : the tyrants in the trash. The best way to defeat totalitarianism is free thought. We think Americans are much more religious than we are, and it’s hard to say what I think about religions. I do not wish to offend anybody, but I leave the gods where they are, and Allah is a god among the others.
I believe that there is a life after death, and I meditate on this sentance of the ancient Mediterranean wisdom: “It is better to suffer injustice than to commit it”.
Pax vobis.
Amitiés.
Frank Anderson says
I have written this true story before and feel it is so relevant to our conversation that I would like to share it again. When I was 15 and a junior in a military high school, the school principal, who served as one of my guardian angels after my adopted father’s death, ordered me to take a course called Intellectual History, which was really a course on comparative religion (What the Great Religions Believe). The teacher had a masters degree and was working on his Ph.D. He provoked me into making my own decisions about what I believed, and why should I believe anything. My entire family except my uncle went ballistic when I would ask really harsh questions. That went on for 7 years. Then another of those angels whom God puts in our lives invited me to come to her church. When the invitation was given I told her of my wish to hear a preacher who had read at least 1 book in addition to the Bible. She said that whenever the time was right, this preacher had read a whole bunch of books in addition to the Bible.
Several months later, totally unknown to anyone except God and myself, I decided to take up her invitation. The sermon of that day was on the Parable of the Two Sons in Matthew. I swore he made it up just for me. I went home and found it, whereupon I read the entire Bible cover to cover 3 times. The preacher and I spoke and 3 weeks later I was baptized. I have worked ever since to understand that God creates all of us. God gives us a choice to accept Him as Father, or not. I feel that God is with us even when we think we are not with Him. I believe God’s power of understanding and forgiveness exceeds anything humans can comprehend, because He continues to show me signs of His presence. It satisfies me to think of Jesus as my brother, along with all who seek the blessings and guidance of a God who teaches life and freedom instead of death and slavery.
I am now over 60 years old. That happened 45 years ago. The only time in my life that the Parable of the Two Sons has been presented other than that day was when I wrote and conducted my adopted mother’s funeral. “The Father says to one son, ‘Go work in my vineyard’. The son says, ‘I go not Father’ but later he repents and goes. The Father says to another son, ‘Go work in my vineyard.’ That son says, ‘I go Father,’ but he goes not. Whether of them twain does the Father’s bidding?” God treasures His gift to us of our minds and has absolutely no fear of our questions. Our questions bring us closer to the truth each time we ask them. We will know the truth only when we come into His presence at death. By all means for what it is worth and in honor of my uncle, keep seeking your truth. God smiles that it means so much to you that you are willing to do the work.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Bonjour,
Thank you for this exceptional testimony, I sent it to my brother.
The gospels are also a testimony while the Koran is, according to the muslims, the word of God (stupid).
Amitiés,
Anne says
Who is the ‘Driving force ‘behind Islam ?
gravenimage says
Muslims.
R Russell says
Satan
bonnie louise loranger says
Not many know. A for me I left the Catholic church because of the pope
Lavéritétriomphera says
Not a chance, the Pope knows about the plan Muslim Islamist, but he is a Catholic, and he believes that Muslims will convert to Christianity and that the holy spirit will take over.
The cross according to Catholic faith, is the divine sacrifice that annihilates evil and defeats death and Islam is an ideology of death
Cicero says
I was gobsmacked to open the British quality newspapers yesterday to read of the utterly misguided and hopelessly Dhimmified behaviour of a prominent representative of the Catholic Church in the above) A dark cloud is settling over Britain and its repellent and noxious vapours are swirling into every nook and cranny in the U.K.
Methinks the Monsignor has truly sniffed vast amounts of toxic fumes and is almost semi comatose. Matters will have to get much much worse inevitably. We are in this war for generations to come.
Jim says
He definitely has no knowledge of the Quran. Deception is a blessing if they do it for Allah.
JF says
Suicide. And they’ll love to behead the Pope while he sleeps.
tim gallagher says
That’s what I think whenever I read these reports about Christian churches attempting to cosy up to satanically evil, murderous Islam., JF. Suicide is definitely not something which is condoned in any Christian church ( although, of course, there is sympathy from Christians for people who are driven too far into misery or insanity and kill themselves) and these types of policies of accommodating Islam are definitely suicidal. So they are morally wrong and monumentally foolish. The MUslims will only take advantage of the weakness shown. Instead, the Christian churches should be naming Islam as the clear evil that is and fighting it. They are meant to fight evil not cosy up to it. These suicidal policies are very wrongheaded. Then again, maybe an honest “academic study of Islam” will shine a spotlight on how evil Islam is. That would be a great result.
Joy D. Brower says
The Episcopal Church in our area that my late husband and I attended for many years (when the Episcopal Church of N.A. wasn’t as far gone as it is now!), just announced another “learning’ seminar or some such to celebrate (that old canard!), “the 3 Abrahamic Faiths!” Listening to sappy Episcopals engage in ANY form of “outreach” to the local muzzie community (still relatively small here, thank God!!) seems to be less productive – and more provocative – with every passing month!!
mortimer says
Joy, Anglican theologian Rev’d Mark Durie of Australia has written about the ‘ABRAHAMIC FAITH’ fallacy and he calls it ‘DHIMMI THEOLOGY’ invented by some Palestinians to produce a living arrangement for Arab Christians in Jordan and the West Bank. There is actually no agreement on the true identity of Abraham, so referring to him as a unifier is disingenuous because he actually has THREE SEPARATE identities in the three different faiths. Abraham is thus actually a source of division.
Kay says
Yes, the local Episcopal Cathedral here has that kind of welcoming false equivalency plastered across their website. It’s disheartening.
When we had an influx of Chinese immigrants recently there was no such thing regarding Buddhists, who simply went about their lives peacefully. While our Hindu population is smaller, there are some and in a like way they don’t call attention to themselves nor do churches feel the need to point them out or defend them.
J D S says
Hmmmmm… could it satan?????? wonder of wonders!
gravenimage says
Yes–Mark Durie has debunked this claptrap about the “Three Abrahimic Faiths”.
Wellington says
So, the Catholic Church wants closer ties to Islam even though 1) Islam denies Jesus was crucified (to be found in Sura 4 of the Koran); 2) even though Islam treats Jesus as one of the greater Muslim prophets before the last and greatest of the prophets, Mohammed, and who (Jesus) will come back at the end of the world and throw all Christians into Hell for deifying Him; and 3) even though ALL Christians, Catholic or non-Catholic, must accept pure second-class status across the board in comparison to Muslims wherever and whevever Islam dominates.
Show me a Catholic, show me any Christian, who wants to cozy up to Islam (other than for pure, short-term tactical reasons) and I will show you a traitor to the Christian faith. Hell, I’m an agnostic and can see this, so how can any Christian not see this?
Right now, the current pontifex maximus, one Francis I, is doing immense harm to Roman Catholicism. By now, one knows this or should know it. Glad I am a Catholic no longer. It would break my heart to see such a willful ignoramus as Francis as head of the Catholic Church. The man is a fool to the core of his being and (worst of all) he is appointing cardinals and bishops aplenty who “think” like him (and who will long outlive him). Oh yeah, the Catholic Church is in deep shit right now, courtesy of Francis I in particular and Vatican II in general (which makes John XXIII, who called Vatican II back in 1962, a fool too) and this does not bode well not only for the Catholic Church but for the West in general.
Anyone who values Western Civilization should want a strong, informed and resilient Roman Catholic Church. Any Christian thinking otherwise is part of the problem. Ditto for skeptics like myself.
Terry Gain says
All of your questions will go unanswered. I am a Catholic and I am disgusted by this Pope. He is an idiot.
Jenny H says
Ditto. Was he not paying attention in his catechism classes and Church History classes at the seminary? Why isn’t he defending and doing all possible to support and protect persecuted Catholics and other Christians throughout the World, instead of trying to play nice with people whose theology has the Pope clearly lined up in their crosshairs?
Anne says
Is it possible, that the Pope realises that he had better join up with Islam , in order to save the Catholic Church ? Of course it’s cowardly.. no doubt about that , And in the short turn Islam may humor this man , with a false sense of security. The Pope cannot protect his flock , so, he joins the enemy , who he sees at the gates of his empire. Catholics are being sold down the river now.. by a manipulative leader .. Is the Christian Church about to capitulate too ?
gravenimage says
Cozying up to Islam will not save the Catholic Church, nor will it save Catholics.
SEB says
100% correct,
Segzy says
Wellington, I love to read your POV, always punchy, don’t stop sharing.
What the West us going through, sad and unbelievable as it seems, was the result of the choice made, she is making, and will make, in her history.
We all know the effect of Christianity, when it was the order of the day, in the West, which effect becomes termed as ‘Western civilisation’, born and shaped in Christianity. Gone are those days.
There’s a rule of thumb, that nature forbids vacuum. The problem is, we, many people, aren’t aware that this same rule is applicable to spiritual things.
Remember the demonic man, who was delivered, but refused to fill himself up with good stuffs! The demon came back, and brought more powerful demons with him, as the space could not be left empty. Jesus said, this will be applicable in this generation. How fitting is this, in our days. When Charles Mantel defeated Islam, Christianity was budding, even blooming. Westerners reject Christianity, starting from mid twentieth century, not long, the alternative began to bud. It is Islam.
The Catholic Church, and other common sense, unreligious folks, will not stop this, it is a curse. If anything, they will abet this vile.
The course of defeating Islam appear to be lost day by day, as our hypocrisy deepens, bringing to fore our rejection of the truth, Jesus Christ.
It’s sad, but this will go on, in my humble opinion.
Nevertheless, dear JW readers, fight we must, with our own, our speech, etc, as you never know who will be the next Muslim/ignorant westerner to be enlightened to the doom gathering upon this generation. If nothing, at least, the light being shone on Islam, by you/me, will inform the next decision of such Muslim/ignoramus.
Kay says
+1
infidel numero uno says
Catholic Church leaders…..GET YOUR COLLECTIVE HEADS OUT of your collective anuses!!!!! You cannot reason, you cannot compromise, you cannot do anything that will further the quest of the most evil, most backward, least humane 17th century death cult aka izlaam. It MUST be eradicated from the face of the Earth!!
R Russell says
Maybe someone will buy them copies of the book, The People V Muhammed
JawsV says
“the academic study of Islam”
Is this a joke? Islam is a fraud and a hoax. Allah is Muhammed. The Quran is a Jihad war manual. Islam is the Religion of Terrorism. That concludes the academic study of Islam. The West’s 21st century groveling and kowtowing to murderous anti-Jew/Christian backward and barbaric Islam is disgusting. 9/11 started it. Geo W Bush and his “Islam is peace” utter camel cr**.
Donovan Nuera says
Why won’t Oxford and other “higher centers of learning” also give Scientologists their own department to “study” their texts? They have many followers in many countries (albeit banned in Germany). Many are powerful and movers-and-shakers in part because of their devotion to the example set by L. Ron Hubbard. . At least they don’t outright kill apostates unlike one singular cult that does only only harass them and key their Lexuses?? Is islam “too big to fail”??
WPM says
It because the Saudi,s have effected bought Oxford and many universities in the West with large donations. They have bought into Western society large area of real estate, corporations and local government leaders. There influence thru money Jihad ,they want the upper elite to sell us the common man to be the in Deminitude to Islam. They use the SJW and the commie Pope as useful idiots to be done away with when there usefulness is over.
Cicero says
Yes they have already bought out vast swathes of land, developments and buildings of great value in the U.K.
Vic says
I concur. The rich Muslim countries are not known for producing anything other than oil and gas. They import everything else and have decided that as much as they abhor western values and infidels, they can certainly ensnare those infidels using their greed and desire to be seen as tolerant powerful globalist. Conquer them from within by their own miserable hand!
Follow the Saudi, Qatari, Kuwaiti and other mega rich Arab $$$$$ via real estate investments, industrial and commercial contracts, donations to endow academic institutions, building mosques and Islamic Centers, and thoroughly lying in the Interfaith dialogues with low and high ranking Christian leaders, etc. This same MO is prevalent everywhere–not just in the UK, but many (if not all) of the Western countries. This love fest and outpouring of money continues to blind them.
Look at the Iranian Nuc Agreement–why did Iran receive such enormous support from European countries, China, Russia and the US–The ink wasn’t even dry, and Boeing was making a deal with the Mullahs–I doubt Boeing people have read the Qur’an or know anything about Mohammed. What a delusion! Blind leading the blind.
On the good news side, I am encouraged by the growth of knowledge at the grassroots level that I see when I talk to different people. There is an awakening of the younger generation in Christian circles that seems to be more curious and desirous of listening to their pastors and older people in their churches who have spent time working in the ME as well as vets returning from Iraq and Afghanistan who understand Islamic supremacist ideology. Very encouraging.
May the Lord lead us all with His wisdom to speak the Truth boldly and love our neighbors as passionately as He does.
gravenimage says
Jaws, Robert Spencer studies Islam. Not everyone involved in the study of Islam is a Muslim supremacist or a dhimmi. Some are exposing the threat of Islam.
Cheer Bear Girl says
I am glad I am protestant. I don’t hate Catholics, I do pity them because their leaders are corrupt.
Wellington says
Yes, many Catholic leaders are pathetic, starting with the current head of the Catholic Church, but so are many Protestant leaders as well. Right now, much of Protestantism has let down Western Civilization approximately as much as Catholicism has (N.B., so have many leaders from the third main division of Christianity, i.e., Orthodoxy, even though Russian Orthodox aplenty would have one believe they are tough and informed about Islam when, in fact, they are anything but).
The Christian world in general is in the process of losing its collective mind and the Islamic world (the Leftist world too) is salivating at this ongoing, useless, self-defeating, tragic and suicidal event.
jan sobieski says
Why are so many Christian clergy and its leadership so blind to the truth about islam? You have to work at hiding islam’s true colors,and by doing that, they have shown to me they are not disciples of Christ,more like Judases.
StellaSaidSo says
The churches have received enormous amounts of UN money for their assistance in ‘resettling’ ‘refugees’. This has had the effect of silencing criticism, and incentivising continued co-operation.
Mark Swan says
Yes Indeed StellaSaidSo.
Kepha says
Wellington, your point about how many Protestant leaders have failed us is well-taken. This is the fruit of the liberalization of the Protestant “Mainline” during the 20th century.
However, those of us who are Evangelical are not enamored of Islam. We are not blowing up mosques because we have Paul’s admonition to be at peace with all men, as much as it is up to us. That being said, many of us find Augustine’s just war theory sensible, and we are ready to act on it if God should see fit to enter into one of his more terrible temporal judgments with his servants.
But, since we are also interested in the salvation of our fellow man rather than his destruction, we are at the same time humbled and grateful to our merciful God that he has been opening more Muslim eyes to the salvation there is in Jesus Christ than at any time in history.
I would further add that the furor islamicus now plaguing the globe ought to be a call to the West to re-appropriate the Gospel of Christ. That means recognizing that our message is of how the Word of God became flesh, dwelt among us, and brought us grace and truth through his life, teaching, and, most of all, the atonement he worked for us on the cross and in his resurrection from the dead.
Too long have we been willing to do all the running we can to remain a respectful five paces behind our cultured despisers–the selfsame ones who have led us to the point where the West is crippled by a vapid, shallow EmCeePeeCee ideology that will meekly submit to Islamic rape while screaming bloody murder at Christian preaching.
Kay says
There are faithful Christians in Catholicism and Orthodoxy who agree with you, as well as many Protestants. But many in all faiths remain ignorant or unconcerned (not meaning that they simply trust Christ’s victory) and leadership in all the denominations is inconsistent. Though perhaps since the Pope is the most visible, his stance is most vital.
Frank Anderson says
I am in agreement that many religious groups, including many Jewish communities in the US are not in touch with the truth about Islam’s view of non-muslims. I’d like to know if any do understand what islam teaches and intends? Are they all hell-bent on personal and societal suicide?
esther says
Here I am—-I do know—-because I came into contact with educated muslims
WAY BACK in the 1960s—–people here for further educations—-young doctors.
I BEFRIENDED them and they spoke to me candidly. They repeated the LESSONS
of their youths——–it is what people do when far from home. I was a very soft
target—–young and somewhat shy. I grew up——I married a person born a dhimmie
in the Islamic shit hole in which he was born. His relatives also told me what life
became for their communities after the rapist pig of mecca was born and then THEIR
lands invaded. The situation and the DANGER TO US—–cannot be over-stated.
It is NOTHING NEW—-it has been going on since the unfortunate inception of islam.
Islam is VIOLENTLY imperialistic and horribly oppressive. I did not learn it at home—
or in school, or in any religious setting (I have no such education AT ALL) —I learned it
right here in the USA ——-in English long before 9-11-01—–long before Bin Laden—-
long before the era of the personal computer and right here in the USA—just getting to
know lots of people
gravenimage says
Thanks for your account, esther.
Indiana Tom says
You are right, the collective Christian churches are worthless PC organizations bent on accommodating infiltrating Muslims who working towards Western Civilizations destruction.
Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, is is all SSDD.
Granddaddy says
Yes. The Pope is leading a billion people down the road to Hell. There is no dialogue with Islam.
Donovan Nuera says
The “dialogue” should be only be comprised of merciless non-stop mockery and strongly worded criticisms of what a joke islam is. Every ecumenical exchange should end with “…and you BELIEVED this Mohammad guy????!!! Were your ancestors that damn stupid????! DUHHHHHHHH!!”
jan sobieski says
I have read several direct strategies to defeat islam and mockery of islam is top priority. Fraud does not like mockery.
StellaSaidSo says
Absolutely. Ridicule is the best weapon against silly ideas.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Donovan, Jan, and Stella.
gravenimage says
Good exchange–yes, I’m afraid many Christians–and Jews–are clueless and enabling of Islam. Of course, so are many secularists. There’s a lot of dhimmitide to go around.
Voytek Gagalka says
At the background of subconscious’ dreams of the Catholic Church is (and always was) regaining the power once it held over all people of Europe and fully exercising anti-blasphemy law in all Christendom. As late as 1657 the Roman Catholic Church in Poland was able to put the law through Polish parliament (Sajm) for capitol punishment for anyone abandoning the RCC faith. So they dream to this day, and here we are. They ENVY Mohammedans on that point and would be eager (with their help, if needed) to squash any dissident, any secularism once and for all and regain, they think, past glory of absolute rule (theocracy). Their yearning for that is equal (if not bigger) of their myopia and utter STUPIDITY to even think that Mohammedans would share their power with them! HA! Nice dreams! I see it through!
Westman says
African Cardinal Robert Sarah: “Not only is the West losing its soul, but it is committing suicide, because a tree without roots is condemned to death,” Sarah said. “I think the West cannot renounce its roots, which have created its culture, its values.”
Without realizing it, Cardinal Sarah has also explained why chumming up to Islam will be a disaster for the West – it requires abandoning its roots while Islam will not.
Gottahavehope says
Was raised Catholic born a Catholic have been shifting away from the Catholic church for many years with so many disappointments. And this Pope made it official I jumped ship .
Lydia Church says
Turn to the true Jesus, Who can only be found in Scripture.
A KJV 1611 Bible is highly recommended.
Start in the NT and after, read the OT.
I could say a million things, but God’s Word says it best.
If you turn to Him with all your heart, He will baptize you in the Holy Spirit, like
promised.
The Reformation happened for a reason but we are living in dangerous times
to go anywhere, just read the Bible and pray to God. He will lead you.
God bless you.
Indiana Tom says
A KJV 1611 Bible is highly recommended.
After you are befuddled by Elizabethan English, then you can pick up the NASB Bible.
Start in the NT and after, read the OT.
Start with the Gospel of John, the Roman epistle written by Paul, the Gospel of Luke and the Acts written by Luke. Genesis in the OT is highly recommended for a foundational history.
ben t says
Alas. Alas. I think we are both on the same page. How can we have slipped sooo far, so fast from the ideals of that Great Defender of the West, the sainted St. John Paul II. He, along with fellow Pole, Sobieski,saved the West from marxism and islamization. When he was Pope I gave considerable thought to going back to my Roman Catholic upbringing. No more. No more. This American of Sicilian-Irish descent will pray to God in my own way. The Almighty knows what is in my heart. How can the Church be so damned (literally) ignorant of the history of the past 1400 yrs.
Wellington says
John Paul II was a stalwart and shrewd enemy of Communism but, unfortunately, he seemed not to know that much about Islam, which his successor, Benedict XVI, knew a great deal about, said so, and was hit with untold number of death threats from the Islamic world for telling the truth about Islam (he later went quiet but I believe this is because he knew that many Catholic lives were at stake in Muslim lands and elsewhere).
Benedict, like John Paul, grasped the iniquity of Marxism but Benedict also grasped the iniquity of Islam, which is why I hold him in even higher esteem than his predecessor. As for Francis I, he is a Latin American leftist who does not grasp the greatness of Western Civilization, America and capitalism and is deplorable where statements he has made about Islam are concerned. Most popes have been wise, informed, three-dimensional men. Francis is an exception to this rule. Easily so. Frankly, he is a disgrace.
SEB says
Just a pity ,we Catholics have no way of getting rid of this Pope.
Frank Anderson says
SEB, there is at least one way to lawfully remove his control over you: Leave the church. Find another or start your own that satisfies your connection with God. God made you and wants you to be free of all forms of tyranny and slavery, including the slavery of following evil or ignorance, or guilt for any failings you have had. Religious apostasy is just as appropriate now as it was when the Children of Israel left Egypt at the time of Exodus. God created us to live and be joyful.
gravenimage says
I’m afraid this is true.
While I have a great deal of respect–and affection–for Pope John Paul II, he himself kissed a Qur’an. Of course, he had much more excuse for not seeing what a threat Islam has become than does Pope Francis.
Lydia Church says
Oprah is a puppet of the puppet masters in every way. As are pretty much all media mouthpieces.
Right, it’s all double standard, one sided, etc.
All of this is leading to the abominable one world religion under antichrist.
One cobblestone at a time.
There is no common ground, there is a chasm in between Christianity and false religion,
but all false religion will unite into the one world religion.
All will worship antichrist under it.
The true Christians who of course will refuse and resist will be martyred.
Donovan Nuera says
Her TV show and magazine are only enjoyed by ugly fat women who own >2 cats. Oprah is on the cover of EVERY issue of her magazine; how narcissistic.
Kepha says
If my wife were not allergic to them, I’d be an ugly fat man owning two or more cats (and possible selling the kittens to families that would take good care of them). They are quiet, affectionate, very good at keeping themselves clean, and easy to train to go out in all weathers to “do their business”. They’re also great if there’s a rodent problem.
That being said, I think that Oprah would be another major disaster in public office.
Phil Copson says
Kepha – are we talking about the same animal here ? Far from being quiet, affectionate, clean etc, the one I have most to do with howls if you pick him up,hisses when you come near, tries to bite you as often as possible, rugby tackles you from behind with all four paws wrapped round your leg as you walk past, and the closest he ever comes to being affectionate, is that occasionally he will climb onto your shoulder and sit there like a particularly dangerous ginger parrot while you try to watch “Casablanca” / “The Blue Dahlia” etc with his tail blocking half the view.
Not too sure about the “keeping clean” theory – he never showers and “covered in dried cat-spit” might be nearer the mark – as for going outside in all weathers to “do their business”, well, this is the only cat I know who comes scratching urgently at the door to come in, then rushes straight past his litter-tray to use the nice soft absorbent wood-ash in the fire-place instead.
However, he certainly takes his job of being a cat seriously – catching and eating house-flies on the windows, plus you soon get used to cleaning rat blood off the tiled floor, and the dead mice can always go out with the recycling.
All in all, he’s a very good sort of cat to have about the place, and if Oprah Winfrey does become US President, I shall certainly try to set him onto her….
gravenimage says
Phil, I am sorry to hear about your cat.
Have you considered reading some of the work of Jackson Galaxy? He has tips on behavorial problems–he does the Animal Planet series “My Cat From Hell”, and has been able to help a lot of people and their pets.
Donovan Nuera says
Is his Mohammad’s mission statement boiled down to its greasy essence: “If you don’t believe that I spoke with Allah by myself without any witnesses or miracles,…..I WEEEELLL KEEEEEELLLL YOU!\…so there!!
gravenimage says
Yep.
Donovan Nuera says
“Beg you pardon, Guvner……I must have accidently backed over that special ecumenical Oxford Islam tree with my landscaping golf cart…..again. How careless of me….” – Oxford head groundskeeper to whom we should send some quid to every month for no reason in particular…[eyes looking up and away while softly whistling…]
Donovan Nuera says
Talk about a tree of “Good and Evil”…………
gravenimage says
Catholic Church sets out a vision for closer ties with Islam
………………
These suicidal fools want closer ties with a creed that codifies oppressing and murdering them. Madness.
Wellington says
Not to mention, gravenimage, that this creed, i.e., Islam, specifically denies the Crucifixion, the Resurrection and the divine nature of Jesus. I can see how a devout Christian could, actually should, respect Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucianism, Taoism and other faiths for one or more reasons, but if one is a Christian and respects Islam then such a person is actually a traitor to their own faith.
I see no “flexibility” here. None. Especially when added to all this is the character of the reputed founder of Islam, which character demonstrate a psychopath, narcissist, ignoramus and pedophile (among other negatives) and which religion unambiguously calls for pure second-class status (if even this) for Christians in this world.
gravenimage says
Absolutely, Wellington.
Islam also rejects all of the moral teachings of Christianity, like the Golden Rule and loving your neighbor.
Westman says
What part of Islam’s claim that, “Isa was not the Son of God, he’s coming back to annihilate the Jews, and we hate unbelievers”, does the Pope not understand?
He can only be a dolt or have some hidden agenda to destroy the Catholic Church. There is no logical sense to his actions toward Islam; an Islam which was correctly characterized by his predecessors.
gravenimage says
True, Westman.
Oh, and Isa is supposed to murder all Christians as well as Jews.
Granddaddy says
The Pope is being paid off. The Vatican is being paid off, actually. They’re getting millions of dollars for what they call “refugee relocation”. If it were me, I’d relocate them back to where they came from and keep the money. I suppose that’s why I’m not the Pope.
gravenimage says
The Pope is already rich. I don’t believe he needs to be paid off.
StellaSaidSo says
You are right, Granddaddy, the RCC has received enormous amounts of UN money for assistance in ‘resettling’ ‘refugees’. This has had the effect of neutralising criticism, and incentivising further co-operation. And the Pope is totally on board with the Marxist-globalist NWO agenda, which the third world invasion of the West is designed to serve.
Granddaddy says
You mean there are actually people who consider Oprah presidential material? God help us.
Indiana Tom says
There are people who considered the Muslim Kenyan to be presidential material. Of course, his contenders for the presidency were pretty underwhelming RINOs as well.
gravenimage says
I’m afraid so–I have neighbors here in California who think she’d be great.
Billy Chickens says
Did Christ want closer ties with Lucifer?
Bezelel says
Rhetorically asked.
Kay says
Now that’s something to ponder. It was Lucifer who turned away from God.
Bezelel says
Not that I’m an expert but, There is every indication, outlined in the scriptures, that although God is patient, not willing that any should perish. Some without a doubt will perish. Heaven is not all inclusive. There are standards to meet. The leftards demand for “all inclusiveness” and the consequences of it, serve as an earthly example of Why standards must be met. Dante wrote about the degrees of hell and he may be right.
Kay says
Oh yes, the one who turns away must turn back.
sidney penny says
“Oxford Centre for Islamic Studies, the dazzling new college that aims to become the country’s principal centre for the academic study of Islam.”
dazzling new interpretation of Islam?
Jack Diamond says
The OCIS that I know of was founded in 1985 by Prince Charlie and it has had as chairmen of the Board of Trustees Muslims like Abdullah Omar Naseef, the al Qaeda godfather and principal of the SAAR Network; and trustees like Sheikh Qaradawi, guide of the Muslim Brotherhood. No “suspicion or hostility” to be found there…
Roger says
Islam and Catholicism are both Satan’s puppets with the same aim, and that is to destroy Christianity.
gravenimage says
Oh, good grief–Catholicism stood against the depredations of Islam for centuries. There are a lot of dhimmi fools these days–they aren’t all Catholic.
Indiana Tom says
Ask Charles Martel how well the Cathoholic Church stood with him. They did not!
gravenimage says
Indiana Tom, I have seen this claim before. Actually, the Catholic Church only objected to Charles Martel seizing some Church lands. (Europe at its best was a chaotic place at the time).
The Church did *not* object to his beating back Islam–far from it.
StellaSaidSo says
Indeed, GI, the Church did not object to Charles Martel ‘beating back Islam’. But it resented the fact that Charles was not afraid to disagree with Rome, and was cautious about forming an alliance with the Church. It should be noted that the property Charles seized from the Church was used to pay local nobles to provide a continuous supply of trained infantry for the defence of the Frankish kingdom and Christendom.
Aaron says
The day is coming that many will be lead astray
Even the very elect if we’re possible
I may not have the statement exactly correct but the message is there
Looks to me many Christians are being lead astray to
Their
Even catholic leadership can’t tell the signs of the times
The anti Christ is not your friend wake up Christians
janwoG says
Everybody can know the essence of Islam. Western apologists of Islam are deceiver, thus criminals. The battle in Western Europe seems to be lost. Americans wake up and cleanse your country from the religion of war and their Leftist supporters.
Michael Copeland says
“Christianity should be destroyed and wiped from the face of the earth.”
Sheik Farook al-Mohammedi,
“The Global Islamic Civilization: The Power of a Nation Revived”, United Muslim Nations International
“Okay, they have three choices, either they became a Muslim, or they have to pay the jizya [Islamic extortion tax], or to be killed.”
Syrian interviewed by Sky News, 8 December 2012
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him.”
Koran 3:85, part of Islamic law
https://libertygb.org.uk/news/mr-cameron-islam-hostile
gravenimage says
Yes–“ChristLam” could not be more perverse.
Texas Dave says
Right, maybe now they’ll tear down the wall around the Vatican there was built to keep the Muslims out… They all have a death wish
tgusa says
Closer ties with islam? Distancing myself, and not from God but from the nuts that seem to abound these days in organized religion. Good luck with your idiotic theory you world class fools.
CogitoErgoSum says
I have nothing in common with Islam. The god of the Muslims is NOT MY GOD. I pray to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I will neither accept nor honor any other god before my GOD. This has been commanded of me. The entity to which Muhammad submitted IS NOT MY GOD. I WILL NOT SUBMIT TO A FALSE god … even if the leaders of my Church do submit. I shall worship the Lord my God and only Him shall I serve. Christ shall once again cleanse His temple of those who would befoul it. This is MY vision.
SEB says
AGREE
mortimer says
Dope Frank is like a QUACK DOCTOR in regard to Islam.
Dope Frank is like a QUACK DOCTOR who has not studied Gray’s Anatomy and hasn’t even heard the name Gray or Galen or Lister or Semmelweis or William Harvey… and yet, preposterously, presents himself as a MEDICAL EXPERT.
Dope Frank doesn’t know the MOST IMPORTANT names in Islam: BUKHARI, IBN ISHAQ, IBN HISHAM, IBN TAYMIYYA, IBN KHALDUN, Al-GHAZALI… and yet, preposterously, Dope Frank presents himself as an EXPERT on Islam!
Dope Frank is a FRAUD, a POSEUR, and a QUACK in the matter of Islam.
Dope Frank doesn’t know the BASICS about Islam and yet, he PONTIFICATES as if he is an EXPERT.
A real EXPERT WOULD HAVE ACTUALLY READ Islam’s primary source texts. Dope Frank doesn’t even know the NAMES of those books or their authors.
HE’S A PHONY.
ben t says
AGREED!!
Georg says
“How can dialogue between faiths lead to a deeper spiritual understanding? Is there not always a danger that both sides will talk across each other without listening or just agree on the bare minimum they have in common?”
Gee, what a simmering intellect. I’d have expected in the 21st century West we’d show more sophistication, incisiveness and nuance. But no, we’re on Sesame Street. Um… they hate you. Maybe start there, you show-off imbecile sacrificing posterity’s well-being for your geriatric ego.
Granddaddy says
“Muhammad is the weakest LINK.”
Yes. Both Allah and Muhammad claimed that Muhammad was the last prophet of the Jews and Christians starting from Adam extending to Jesus (Quran 33:40, and Sahih Bukhari). The Muslim scholars all point to Deuteronomy 18:18 where God tells the Israelites that He will send them a prophet, and they also point to John 14:25-26 where Jesus promises to send the Apostles the Holy Spirit. What they don’t talk about is the fact that Muhammad was an Arab and descended through the line of Ishmael. So Muhammad can’t be the prophet promised in Deuteronomy (because the prophet is promised to the line of Isaac, not Ishmael), and the fact that Muhammad contradicts just about everything Jesus teaches, so he can’t be the Holy Spirit either. Add to this the “sordid life of DISGRACE” of Muhammad, and the way he gets just about every story of Jesus, Mary, Moses, Abraham, Solomon, Noah, etc, etc, totally wrong, and how supposedly they’re all Muslims and slaves of Allah (no free will, in other words), how according to Allah and Muhammad all Jews and Christians have been totally wrong for three-and-a-half thousand years, and you have to come to the conclusion that Islam doesn’t continue Judaeo-Christianity. I don’t know what it is, but it’s not a continuation of Judeo-Christianity (which some Jewish and Christian clerics seem to think it is, even though the Quran contradicts even itself, which they would see if they took the time to read it instead of lying like the above Cardinal is obviously doing).
And then there’s the fact that Muhammad said himself that he can lie (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 49, Number 857), and even their sharia says Muslims can lie to each other (r8.2, “Permissible Lying”, Reliance of the Traveller) and you see a religion with a lot of serious problems.
Excuse me if I’m telling you something you already know. But you make a valid point: Islam is vulnerable.
FERNANDO A O PRIETO says
I agree completely. We must mock Islam whenever possible! It is just ridiculous, besides being dangerous.
We should also, in my opinion, never support Leftist ideas,not only because almost all of them are wrong but also, specially, because, in our times, the Left is strongly pro-Islam (blindly – The leftist will surely be among the first victims of an Islamic takeover…).
As for this Pope, in no way sholud we follow his political advice! He is wrong! God help us. May his successor be good.
God help us in our fight! As we know, the war has already started (perhaps it never ended — This is the third time muslims invaded Europe)…
R Russell says
The Bible speaks of a time towards the end times when:
1. There will be an apostate church.
2. All religions will be forced to amalgamate into one, none being allowed take precedence over the other. ……Looks like that is falling into place…..
Michael McDermott says
+++Nichols acolyte, now bishop of Salford, literally marches along the same road – including the promotion of visiting mosques!
duh swami says
If you can’t beat them, join them, before they hurt you…
Chris Malan says
These Catholics. If they’re not molesting boys they’re brown-nosing to Islam.
gravenimage says
I’m afraid dhimmitiude is not restricted to the Catholic Church.
MFritz says
And many muslims have a very similar “vision” – all catholic churches have their crosses replaced with crescent moons, being turned into mosques. I’m sure the Catholic church doesn’t mind giving up their property for such a “good” cause?
FYI says
Closer ties with islam?
The fact of the matter is that allah,..
1.curses the Christians koran 9:30 simply for believing in Christ.
2 tells muslims “Oh ye who believe! take not the Jews and Christians for friends”
koran 5:51
3 denies Christ k4:157,even claiming Christ’s passion to be a fake
But when we know that the great heretic Mr Bergoglio{or francis as he likes to be known } thinks allah to be the same as God,it should come as no surprise to many.
Catholics are just as scandalized by this heretical “pope” and false shepherd as they were when his friend,the previous Josef Ratzinger{“Ben 16”} chose to abandon his flock.Most catholics may not realize that the former pope introduced fraudulent,questionable liturgy that turned the Mass into the mass.
[but never mind that..just follow the Bergolio “Loving the poor” show..}
Wellington says
I have to wonder if Benedict XVI wasn’t forced out. Officially he resigned because of health reasons (I do believe he was diagnosed with heart problems) but he is still living five years later so I’m not sure where the truth lies here.
As for the Mass, what really wrecked it was Vatican II, which was unnecessarily called by John XXIII to fix something that wasn’t broken and which ushered in liberal reform which has transformed the Church for the worse. Francis I is an inevitable result of the debacle which was Vatican II (1962-1965), an end product so to speak but, as I have written before here at JW, the real harm that Francis is “accomplishing” is in all the cardinals and bishops he has appointed, men who think like him, and who will carry on his “legacy” long past his own lifetime. It is possible, perhaps likely, that the Catholic Church will never recover from the harm done it by Vatican II and its many consequences.
ganesh says
“I’ll punch anyone who insults my mother!”
~Red Francis (defending the Islamist murderers of Hebdo cartoonists)
We (the West) have a moral obligation to save our civilization from Pope Francis’ foot fetish obsession with cultural suicide.
Evidence that this is a hijrah (not a humanitarian crisis) is heresy in this Vatican regime and almost forgotten by the Catholic laity. The Islamic State published a document entitled, “Libya: The Strategic Gateway for the Islamic State.” Gateway into Europe, that is: the document exhorted Muslims to go to Libya and cross from there as refugees into Europe. This document tells would-be jihadis that weapons from Gaddafi’s arsenal are plentiful and easy to obtain in Libya – and that the country “has a long coast and looks upon the southern Crusader states, which can be reached with ease by even a rudimentary boat.”
ISIS thugs are making a fortune smuggling Muslim “migrants” into Europe. Vatican officials anguish over the plight of people crossing the Mediterranean to get to Europe. But the migration has proved an invaluable business opportunity for groups like ISIS. So valuable that international crime experts believe ISIS might have launched some attacks specifically in order to drive people to flee, and then profit from their flight.
Politicianophobia says
II played in a band, so they cut of my hand. I wore a short skirt , was raped, because I am a flirt. I use to have a little boy, now he is a Mullah’s toy. I married boar, and am wife number four. Oh, it hurts when I pee, but Mo said “alter me”. I wear a ghost outfit so people cannot see, the colour of my body since he beat me. “Their is only one law that ought to be followed, and that is the Shari’ah from God- lol lol lol lol lol lol-anything else is mere emotionalism and impulsive”
Michael McDermott says
Saudi Arabia!
Sarah says
There is not a snowflake’s chance in hell that the RCC has somehow managed to forget centuries of history and the terrible violence and atrocities that occurred between Islam and Christianity. Let alone the fact that the Vatican is a repository for reams of information stored since the Crusade’s, regarding the Crusade’s. They remember they know very well.
And I don’t believe for a heartbeat that the RCC is capable of suddenly ‘reforming’ its views thanks to one Pope who has been on the throne for just a handful of years. Francis is an idiot – but given that the RCC won’t even make the smallest of changes in areas where you’d be hard-pressed to find opposition for true reform – such as pedophile Priest’s – I cannot swallow for a heartbeat, any nonsense that the RCC is suddenly implementing such a sweeping, fundamental reform like ‘binding’ itself closer with a competitor religion, one which has been the cause of so much misery for the RCC and its followers – for centuries and centuries.
Are they going to give up on the notion then, that their way is the right way to God?
I doubt it. To do that is to signal the death of the RCC.
No, I think the RCC know very well what Islam is all about and in today’s day and age, do not have the stomach for another few centuries of open holy war. That and the fact that since the Age of Enlightenment, the RCC doesn’t have the power anymore (or the ‘right’) to directly influence its followers to go fling themselves at the enemy and die for the RCC.
So the RCC, in my view, is taking the appeasement approach. They don’t want closer ties with Islam. They’re worried about Islam like anyone else with half a brain – they just misguidedly feel that this is the best way to approach the problem in the modern era. It’s an out of touch sentiment that is doomed to fail – and the consequences will greatly impact the future of the RCC itself, but hey, that’s their damage, not mine.
The RCC are cowards, hoping that becoming more friendly with their major rival, will somehow delay or even assay altogether, the very real threat that their rival poses to them.They know the truth – that Islam is vicious and warlike. They don’t wield the power anymore, to command their followers, let aone entire nation’s -to go die in defense of their church.
That just puts them onto the path leading straight to jizya and eventual submission. That in itself, will lead to the destruction of the RCC and while I personally won’t shed a tear for its downfall, it’s a crying shame for every follower out there who has given so much in loyalty and devotion to their faith.
Politicianophobia says
Why do so many people say there is no God but defend Islam? Mo was a pervert, nothing more, he was Charles Manson of old. Shame on all church leaders who defend Islam–they must know they are bring down the church. The religion of peace has surely ruined the peace of most of the world–I long for the old days when “they” stayed in the East and killed one another–sigh
Politicianophobia says
they are bringing down the church
R Russell says
I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. – Jesus.
Dexter Wilson says
Mohammad married a 9 year old.. The Catholic church is responsible for 5000 priests and their pedophilia. The Mormon leader who built a following in Texas was discovered to promote pedophilia. Jim Jones, the leader in Waco all of these promoted pedophilia and what is the real sign of an evil religion?
Raja says
The Roman Catholic Chuch”s part in Christian apostasy is well known by the prophecy that has already been fulfilled.
1 Timothy 4:
1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
2 by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,
3 men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.
They seem to be highly disoriented viz a viz the scriptures and losing the target (way off the mark) on doctrine. Little wonder her flock’ number count is on a steady downhill the world over.
in the present scenario, with the pandering to a perceived strong magnetic pull to the evil ideology of Islam, she is doomed all the more.
StellaSaidSo says
The Oxford Centre for Islamic Studies was funded by Qatar.
No Muzzies Here says
What happens when you get closer to someone who has vowed to kill you, rape your women, and totally replace you and your brothers? Do they see your love and have a change of heart, and vow to treat you with kindness, respect your women, and live side by side peacefully with no coercion?
You’re a fool if you don’t know the answer. Even if you’re an Archbishop.
Isabellathecrusader says
Unfortunately what you see out there today as the Catholic Church is not Catholic. And while as a Catholic I am not supposed to disparage the Pope, he is not a Catholic but a Marxist plant and so what you see is what you get. People need to dig deeper and put two and two together instead of just looking at the surface and thinking they understand the situation. The Red/Green Alliance is alive and well so no one should be surprised that the man who is identified as the Pope supports the Islamic part of the agenda to usher in the one world order and enslave us all. Like the state sponsored “Catholic church” in China, there is the True Church and the fake church. For anyone who sees through the BS this situation makes perfect sense.
StellaSaidSo says
Exactly right, Isabellathecrusader. It is good to see another JW reader who understands the bigger picture. The Pope is a Marxist globalist, committed to the Marxist globalist ‘One World’ agenda.
Ken says
This should come as no surprise. According to the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church and Islam worship the same god. And I would agree – the Devil.
The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.” (CCC, 841).
Sara says
Jihad3tracker. I couldn’t agree more. Will try to get to some David Wood videos. And yes we do this for OUR CHILDREN
Richard Paulsen says
Like the protestant Bishops in Sweden. Claiming Adhan and churchbells being the same and calling to prayers and Christians and muslims having the same god.
Historicallyther another thing. “Det Türke ist gottes Rute und des Teufels Diener. Das hat keinen Zweifel.”
Martin Luther advised to fight against the attacking turks. However being well prepared and united. Aware of that the Turks and their Koran will wipe out everything that is Christian.
Today Europe is growingly in the hands of the Koran. Intending not to assimiliate but to conquer.