I was surprised to learn that there is a translation of the Koran that is supposedly being distributed by the United States Pentagon. This Koran translation was put together by Dr. Abdul Hye and is available for purchase at the Final Revelation website. [1] Here is the statement from one of the banners at that website:
The U.S. Pentagon distributes our simplified translation of the Qur’an to our service members all over the world. See how this easy interpretation is educating them about Islam.
On this banner is the U.S. Department of Defense logo.[2]
Is the Pentagon really distributing this Koran to military personnel “all over the world,” and do Pentagon officials know what is in it?
On March 16, I went to the “Contact” section of the Final Revelation website and requested more information about the Pentagon distribution of this translation of the Koran. I have not received a reply.
However, in response to inquiries I made to military personnel about how religious materials are distributed within the U.S. military, I learned that there is no central distribution system or procedure. This distribution is rather handled at a local level by military chaplains, depending on the needs/requests of the personnel they serve.
We do know that in 2007 and 2008, Hye’s Koran was obtained for distribution to certain military personnel. On the Final Revelation website is a link to a “preview” of this Koran, titled “Easy Interpretation of Qur’an.”[3] On p. 13 of that preview are copies of two “Letters from Pentagon [sic].”
The first letter was not actually from the Pentagon. It was from the Marine Corps Recruit Depot, Parris Island, South Carolina, and was signed by Chaplain John Connelly, Lt. U.S. Navy. This letter was dated December 10, 2007. Here are excerpts from that letter:
Dr. Hye, I cannot begin to express my gratitude enough for your gracious contribution to the Muslim recruits currently going through their initial training here at Marine Corps Recruit Depot Parris Island. I only had the copies of the Qu’ran in my hands for about an hour before I already was able to place some in the hands of recruits who were looking for them. Since we currently have around 6,000 recruits at Parris Island, I also took the step of sharing this wonderful gift with my fellow chaplains so that they could in turn share them with the recruits under their care. These Qur’an are a perfect size…and I am sure will keep the spiritual well-being high for Muslim recruits currently going through training…Thank you for helping us keep our Muslim recruits spiritually fed. Salaam…
It appears that Hye donated these Korans to the Parris Island Marine Corps Recruit Depot.
But the second letter did come from the Pentagon. It was dated February 14, 2008, and it was signed by CH (LTC) Alan Pomaville, Deputy Pentagon Chaplain, Pentagon Chaplain’s Office. It had a “Pentagon Chaplain’s Office” stamp at the bottom. Here are excerpts from that letter:
Dear Dr. Abdul Hye, The Pentagon Chaplain’s Office is grateful for your graciousness in helping to provide Qurans our [sic] personnel serving here in the Pentagon community…During times of war, hostile fire, and stressful vocations, people need to be able to draw strength from their respective Scriptures. The Qurans you are allowing us to purchase will help bring strength to our Muslim Soldiers and help foster understanding to others who are seeking to learn more about Islam. Your efforts are a blessing to those serving in the Pentagon and you have our sincere appreciation for your extraordinary care and support.
So Hye was “allowing” the Pentagon to purchase these Korans?
Here we have two letters expressing a large amount of gratitude for Hye’s translation of the Koran. But there are some things in this Koran that were apparently overlooked by Lt. Connelly and Lt. Col. Pomaville.
On p. 10 of the 2006 edition of this Koran, we find a map of the Middle East, showing locations of “Places, Nations, Landmarks.” This map is made to be used in conjunction with a list of prophets mentioned in the Koran and the “Places, Nations, Landmarks” associated with those prophets (p. 9). Muhammad is, of course, the final prophet.
This map of the Middle East shows 76 towns/locations related to the previously listed prophets, and the countries in which those towns/locations are now located. This map lists modern country names such as Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Tashkent, India, and Sri Lanka. But the map does not show the name Israel; instead it shows “Palestine.”
So the Koran that was distributed to military personnel at Parris Island and at the Pentagon contained a map of the Middle East denying the existence of the State of Israel.[4]
According to Lt. Connelly, this particular Koran “will keep the spiritual well-being high for Muslim recruits”; and Lt. Col. Pomaville wrote that it “will help bring strength to our Muslim Soldiers.” So when a Muslim member of our military sits down and reads through this particular translation of the Koran, what words and messages will he or she see in the Koran verses? Here are a few that stand out:
1. The Jews are the worst enemies of the Muslims:
Surely, you will find most hostile among people in enmity to those who have believed (Muslims), the Jews… (5:82)
2. Allah curses Jews and Christians:
The Jews say: “Ezra is the son of Allah,” and the Christians say: “Christ is the son of Allah”…Allah’s curse is on them, how they are deluded away from the truth! (9:30)
And Allah commands Muslims not to take Jews and Christians “as allies” (5:51).
3. Christians are, by definition, disbelievers:
Surely, those who disbelieved, say: “Indeed Allah is the Messiah (Jesus), son of Mary.” (5:72; see 5:73, where belief in the Trinity is considered disbelief)
4. Here is what Allah says about disbelievers in this particular Koran translation:
a. Disbelievers are “open enemies” to the Muslims (4:101).
b. Muslims are commanded to not take disbelievers “as friends” because they are “enemies” of Allah and of the Muslims (60:1).
c. Disbelievers are the worst of creatures (8:55 and 98:6). 98:6 includes Jews.
d. Muslims are commanded to “fight the disbelievers” and be harsh toward them (e.g., 2:193, 2:216, 4:76, 8:38-39, 9:5, 9:29, 9:36, and 9:123), and during the fighting with disbelievers Muslims are commanded to “strike at their necks till you have killed and wounded many of them” (47:4).
e. Allah does not like disbelievers, and he curses them in general (e.g., 2:89 and 3:32).
f. Allah will punish disbelievers in a severe, humiliating manner (e.g., 3:56, 3:141, 4:37, 4:151, 33:8, 35:7, 41:27, 41:50, 42:26, 45:11, 46:20, 57:20, 58:4-5, 64:5, 76:4, 79:1, and 88:23-24).
g. Disbelievers will go to the Fires of Hell (e.g., 3:12, 3:56, 3:131, 3:151, 9:73, 13:35, 17:8, 18:102, 21:98, 22:72, 29:54, 29:68, 30:16, 33:64, 35:36, 39:8, 39:32, 39:71, 40:6, 40:10, 41:28, 42:7, 46:20, 46:34, 47:12, 48:13, 57:19, 64:10, 66:9, 76:4, and 77:29-32).<
h. Not surprisingly then, “it (this Qur’an) will be an anguish for the disbelievers” (69:50), and “Perhaps (the day will come when) those who disbelieve wish that they were Muslims” (15:2).
Lt. Connelly wrote that this particular Koran “will keep the spiritual well-being high for Muslim recruits,” and Lt. Col. Pomaville wrote that it “will help bring strength to our Muslim Soldiers.” Considering how denigrating and hostile this Koran translation is toward Christians and Jews, one has to wonder what kind of “spiritual well-being” and “strength” Muslim military personnel will be experiencing when, after reading this particular Koran, they look at the Christians and Jews around them?
Lt. Col. Pomaville also wrote that this particular Koran translation will “help foster understanding to others who are seeking to learn more about Islam.” Considering Pomaville’s glowing letter to Hye about this Koran, Pomaville apparently had not looked at the contents of this Koran and didn’t realize what it was teaching: it denies the existence of the State of Israel and expresses Allah’s denigration of, and commands for violence toward Christians and Jews.
In terms of religion, hate speech is generally considered as speech that offends, threatens, or insults particular religions. Hye’s translation of the Koran certainly falls within these parameters, and I would hope that this particular Koran is no longer being distributed to U.S. military personnel.
My sincere thanks to Barbara Rabinowitz at Militant Islam Monitor for letting me know about Hye’s Koran.
Dr. Stephen M. Kirby is the author of five books about Islam. His latest book is The Lure of Fantasy Islam: Exposing the Myths and Myth Makers.
[1] https://www.finalrevelation.net/index.php
[2] In case this banner is removed from the website, a screenshot of the banner, taken on March 9, 2018, is at https://islamseries.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/final-revelation-screenshot-3-9-2018.jpg.
[3] https://www.finalrevelation.net/preview_files/118Easy-Quran.pdf. I have saved a copy of that presentation at https://islamseries.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/easy-interpretation-of-quran-powerpoint.pdf.
[4] The same map was used in the latest printing of this Koran (September 30, 2011, p. ix), and is on p. 8 of the above-mentioned “Easy Interpretation of Qur’an.”
Niemoller says
Ideologically clueless officers are by far the rule in DOD. Just to broach the topic of jihad with these fools–who are sent out to defeat jihad–is to incur a cold ignorance that does not want to be bothered with ideology. These officers right up to the generals are overwhelmingly careerist fools who are just wind-up robots who who have as much intellectual strength to discuss jihad in critical terms as a retarded koala.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
A bit off-topic, Niemoller, but your name recalls the poem “First they came for the Niemollers”; see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_…
I looked up this Wikipedia article in search of the original German text of this poem, but under the “Languages” listing in the left margin, there is no listing for “Deutsch”. Holy Google! What happened?
First they came for the German version of this poem …”
Andy says
END OF THE EMPIRE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmZ38U-Zgmw
Andy says
Mattis and President Trump Now Discussing the Use of Defense Funds to Build Border Wall
http://www.ourvetsbeforeillegals.com/mattis-and-president-trump-now-discussing-the-use-of-defense-funds-to-build-border-wall/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=PostUp&utm_campaign=30_March-VBI
Andy says
Wishing you all a Happy and Blessed Easter/Passover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBgTkYq2VKY
Andy says
President Donald J. Trump Delivers a Message for Passover and Easter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrcrcrYWRn0
Niemoller says
Yep, that’s why I chose that moniker, you’re the first to note it!
Mike Ramirez says
YES! The Pentagon knows what is in the Qur’an.
(Article from 2006) Suicide bombers follow Quran concludes Pentagon briefing –
Tasked with pinpointing motivation, analysts find terrorists ‘rational actors’ following ‘holy book’
Posted: September 27, 2006 © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
With suicide bombings spreading from Iraq to Afghanistan, the Pentagon has tasked intelligence analysts to pinpoint what’s driving Muslim after Muslim to do the unthinkable.
Their preliminary finding is politically explosive: it’s their “holy book” the Quran after all, according to intelligence briefings obtained by WND.
In public, the U.S. government has made an effort to avoid linking the terrorist threat to Islam and the Quran while dismissing suicide terrorists as crazed heretics who pervert Islamic teachings.
“The terrorists distort the idea of jihad into a call for violence and murder,” the White House maintains in its recently released “National Strategy for Combating Terrorism” report.
But internal Pentagon briefings show intelligence analysts have reached a wholly different conclusion after studying Islamic scripture and the backgrounds of suicide terrorists. They’ve found that most Muslim suicide bombers are in fact students of the Quran who are motivated by its violent commands – making them, as strange as it sounds to the West, “rational actors” on the Islamic stage.
In Islam, it is not how one lives one’s life that guarantees spiritual salvation, but how one dies, according to the briefings. There are great advantages to becoming a martyr. Dying while fighting the infidels in the cause of Allah reserves a special place and honor in Paradise. And it earns special favor with Allah.
“Suicide in defense of Islam is permitted, and the Islamic suicide bomber is, in the main, a rational actor,” concludes a recent Pentagon briefing paper titled, “Motivations of Muslim Suicide Bombers.”
Suicide for Allah a ‘win-win’
(more)
http://www.bereanpublishers.com/suicide-bombers-follow-quran-concludes-pentagon-briefing/
Terry Gain says
I don’t get your point. Are you being sarcastic? Surely any knowledge the military had about Islam was destroyed under Obama.
Mike Ramirez says
The point is that the Pentagon was and is still aware of what is in the Qur’an. Additionally, the Pentagon, Congress and all branches of National Security are also aware – not just of what is in the Qur’an but also of the “Mission Statement” of the Muslim Brotherhood that was written in 1991. The irony is WHY are we allowing the Muslim Brotherhood to continue their “Civilization Jihad”? After reading the following proclamation by the Muslim Brotherhood, it is evident that our past Administrations have known but have done nothing; nada; zilch; to address this issue and designate the Muslim Brotherhood a Foreign Terror Organization. Read for yourself:
4- Understanding the role of the Muslim Brother in North America:
“The process of settlement is a “Civilization-Jihadist Process” with all the word means. The
Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim’s destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who chose to slack. But, would the slackers and the Mujahedeen be equal.”
(An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America: Page 21 in the sequential order of document pages)
http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/20.pdf
Terry Gain says
There is a difference between what the Pentagon knows and what it is allowed to know. The knowledge to which you refer was deep sixed and wiped clean by Hussein Obama. What evidence is there that it has been resurrected and restored?
PRCS says
As civilian and military Pentagon personnel have the same research resources as you and me (television, newspapers, magazines, home computers, etc.) they cannot be prevented from learning and knowing what Islam teaches. As I’ve read (from a variety of sources, including JW), they are, apparently, and unfortunately, not allowed to use or cite that knowledge in the performance of their duties.
As but one example, this rridiculous CENTCOM procedure (in which U.S. military personnel (read “filthy unbelievers”) had to wear clean, white gloves in order to handle a Muslim detainee’s taxpayer provided Qur’an) was in effect at GITMO a dozen or so years ago. Don’t know if it still is.
A truly stupid regulation, enforced by the “leadership” there and followed by the troops it demeaned; all of whom surely knew how idiotic it was.
GONZO GITMO CHARADE
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2005/jun/9/20050609-092940-3178r/
Mike says
I hear Trump reads Jihad watch you would think he would put an end to this stupidity? then again Trump sighned a hundred billion dollar defence deal with Saudi Arabia Islam uses our biggest weakness greed to defeat us.
Politicallyincorrectistruth says
How many koalas have you had discussions with before you could pick out the retarded ones?
william says
these are some “SICK” Misguided FOOLS.. MOOOHAMMMIDDDD was known as the “SHAERON MAJNOON” “THE MAD POET”!!
BC says
Why does Mohammad claim to be the ‘final prophet’? Simply because he wanted people to think he was better than all his predecessors which begs the question, how did he know he was the ‘final’ one? (I expect Muslims would say because Allah told him he was! How convenient? However another question is if ‘allah god’ or whatever it is supposed to be not only omniscient and all seeing, why did he need so many prophets. Was or is he not smart enough to get it right the first time, and not have to have so many tries at it
like a learner driver!
Herman Snerd says
BC,
you might with benefit take a look at the FAQ on Islaam and the Muslims, found at the bottom of the Knowledge Base on the right margin here:
http://www.thenoblequran.com/sps/nbq/
on a website posted by Dar us Salam Publishing, Riyadh, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
One of the most Salafist English-language websites anywhere.
Allah made Muhammad the final of 28 prophets and Messengers, going from Noah to Adam to Abraham (et al) to Jesus. They claim Jewish and Christian prophets are actually Muslim.
Since today is Easter, canonical Islam also claims Isa (Jesus) had only human nature, was a Messenger of Allah, was not crucified, was taken up by Allah in body and soul, and will return to judge everyone until he dies.
Since you sound atheistic and proud of what you don’t know, you’re just as much a Kufr to an observant Muslim as a Jew or Christian is. So you might put a little more effort into knowing what you’re talking about and a little less into being snarky.
Naildriver says
They are entitled of only one designation, fools that they are, and that is traitors!
They are by definition giving aid and comfort to our enemies.
These particular officers, and all those who have taken part in the willfull un contested distribution of the Koran; this one or any version, should upon degree of complicity be subject to court martial and dishonorable discharge.
Even President Trump, as commander in chief, bears some responsibility for allowing the egregious enemy infiltration persist.
I do understand that their first bewildered look of surprise and response of injured defense will be that the Constitution grants unfettered freedom of religion! But the Constitution does not permit our enemies to seek victory through their claims of religion. Those who assist the spread and establishment of Islam are traitors.
Islam is our country’s enemy.
Ashley says
It won’t be long before the Qur’an replaces the standard Gideon’s Bible tucked in every hotel and motel bedside drawer.
Or the current issued of Inspire Magazine for those seeking an abridged version of Islamic scripture.
Lydia Church says
Yup, and why aren’t they sending them Bibles???
Separation of church and state?
Ridiculous!
christianblood says
(..Does the “U.S. Pentagon” know what is in this Koran?..)
US and the Pentagon don’t care what is in the Koran. The only thing thing they care is following their childish political delusions.
gravenimage says
Russia is as foolish, I’m afraid. Here is an offical Imam visit to Muslim troops in the Russian army:
“Russia: Muslims Oppose Bill To Add Chaplains To Army”
https://www.rferl.org/a/1066820.html
And while I’m sure this disgusting Muslim gloating is much overstated–this article dates from 2005–it is concerning that Pakistan is crowing over the Russian army becoming Muslim-majority:
“Russian Army will be a majority Muslim Army by 2020”
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/russian-army-to-become-a-muslim-majority-army-by-2015-2020.18530/
The US army is not in this much trouble–not yet.
christianblood says
gravenimage posted:
(..Russian Army will be a majority Muslim Army by 2020..)
Your statement above is like saying that the US army will be a majority gay and transgender by 2020! In any case, my prediction my prediction is closer to the facts than yours! The two pictures below will tell you more:
America:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/33300524/world-landmarks-lit-up-in-rainbow-colours
Russia:
https://www.rt.com/politics/319490-chastity-faith-and-patriotism-/
christianblood says
Jay Boo
America is fighting a war in Afghanistan to spread feminism to tribal groups. America is fighting another war in Syria to make sure that the terrorists like Al-Nusra and anti-Assad jihadist “rebels” have a chance of unseating one of the few remaining secular regimes in the ME. America fought a war in Libya to make sure that the terrorists had a fighting chance to win there and to open Europe up to a migrant invasion, etc, etc.
At the moment, it is the Russian government that is the defender of all things good and healthy and the American government that is the defender of all things evil, decadent and degenerate.
gravenimage says
Christianblood wrote:
gravenimage posted:
(..Russian Army will be a majority Muslim Army by 2020..)
Your statement above is like saying that the US army will be a majority gay and transgender by 2020! In any case, my prediction my prediction is closer to the facts than yours! The two pictures below will tell you more:
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This was *not* my statement–it was Pakistan’s, as I made quite clear. You can refute Pakistan’s claims if you want–in fact, I very much hope you can.
I notice you didn’t bother, though, but just decided to insult Americans, instead.
gravenimage says
Christianblood wrote:
Jay Boo
America is fighting a war in Afghanistan to spread feminism to tribal groups.
………………………
Wait–Christianblood would prefer that Afghans were stoning women in the streets? Is this *really* what he wants?
More:
America is fighting another war in Syria to make sure that the terrorists like Al-Nusra and anti-Assad jihadist “rebels” have a chance of unseating one of the few remaining secular regimes in the ME. America fought a war in Libya to make sure that the terrorists had a fighting chance to win there and to open Europe up to a migrant invasion, etc, etc.
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More ludicrous calumny.
More:
At the moment, it is the Russian government that is the defender of all things good and healthy and the American government that is the defender of all things evil, decadent and degenerate.
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*All things”? Poisoning people is good, and so is enabling a nuclear Iran, but standing up for Israel and freedom is not?
Is even Christianblood sure he wants to stand by such a blanket statement? If he does, he proves that this is just shilling for Russia and hatred for the West, no matter what.
I would never say that everything Russia does is evil, and that everything the West has ever done is good, because such a blanket statement would obviously be ridiculous.
Bu then, he has said before that he looks forward to the destruction of the West by Islam–very troubling.
christianblood says
gravenimage
The so-called poisoning in the UK is an staged false flag which was done to isolate and demonize Russia even more. Please watch this talk about the subject matter on the link below:
https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/422754-russia-west-hysteria-conflict/
gravenimage says
Uh huh…Britain is murdering her own people in order to make Russia look bad. (Is he also claiming that 9/11 waqs a “false flag” operation to make Islam look bad?)
Besides, this does not jibe with what Christianblood has said previously about this case, when he said that Russia had the right to go after this former agent and his daughter anywhere.
Daniel Triplett says
If FDR and Stalin could cooperate, so can Trump and Putin.
There are only two sides in this global war; it’s time everyone pick one. Let’s stop the pissing match inside the same tent.
We all share a common foe. The point in history to win this 1400 year war has arrived.
christianblood says
Daniel Triplett
(..If FDR and Stalin could cooperate, so can Trump and Putin.
There are only two sides in this global war; it’s time everyone pick one. Let’s stop the pissing match inside the same tent. We all share a common foe. The point in history to win this 1400 year war has arrived..)
I agree, Daniel. Trump was willing to work with Russia but the “Deep State” is so far preventing him from doing that. A very happy Easter (Pashka) to you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvOQohXPjQU
roger woodhouse says
Islam is a political creed masquerading as a religion.It needs exposing as such and proscribed.
Ewanda says
I wonder which edition of the Koran inspired Colonel Nidal Hasan? Remember Orthodox Muslims cannot integrate and become Americans. They have come to implement Sharia all over the world so what makes North America think that it is has been granted a divine exception to being conquered? What is the military thinking to supply Islamic manuals to the Islamic soldiers who are sharing the same spaces as the American soldiers? I hope someone wakes up before we get the fifth column, now secreting themselves into the military, ready to act as its own separate unit, answering some secret signal to “slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Obviously, aside to providing Korans, there is a lot more education that has to be distributed to the Navy, Army, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard, … etc., that clarifies exactly what is in the Koran in order to keep those in the military safe.
DBM echo says
Political correctness is rampant in the service academies. Whether the officers involved here were at Annapolis is not important since stuff taught at Annapolis works its way down. Obviously what’s reported here is disgusting. These officers took oaths of office and little regard for that oath.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“War between Saudi Arabia and Iran may happen in just 10-15yrs – Crown Prince “:
https://www.rt.com/news/422748-saudi-war-iran-interview/
When the Crown Prince says Saudi Arabia he means US “advisers” fighting for Saudi Arabia.
christianblood says
Flavius Claudius Iulianu
You are right. There are thousands of US troops already placed on the soil of their head-chopping Saudi buddies! And many of them are directly involved in the Saudi bombing of Yemeni women and children.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
I’m way more concerned about the US troops and their families than I am for the Yemeni women and children. Mohammadans have been killing each other for all of its history and will continue to do so. (If Mohammadans want to stop dying, generation after generation, then they should leave Mohammadism.) This is not the US’s fight.
christianblood says
Flavius Claudius Iulianu
You are right. Mohammadans have been killing each other for all of its history and will continue to do so. And the US is working the worst of Mohammedans (the jihadists & terrorists) to overthrow secular governments in the M.E. and replace them with their jihadist buddies. Afghanistani mujahedin, Bosnia, Kosovo, Libya, Egypt and Syria are places where the US directly and indirectly worked with Mohammedan jihadists and overthrew secular governments. In the case of the Balkans, the US and its satanic, anti-Christ, pro-jihadist allies (Nato) bombed Christian Serbs and created two islamic states (Bosnia & Kosovo) in Eastern Europe. Please watch what the US-backed islamic jihadists done to hundreds of Serbian Orthodox Churches and monasteries in Metohija:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHSav7TbYBM
kangi_yotaka says
The fact is that Islam is considered a religion. The US government cannot, per the constitution, deny free exercise of a particular religion – no matter how bad it is. If someone were to start a Nazi religion tomorrow, which included the same stuff as is in the quran, there would be a real horserace as to whether it could be allowed rather than being a “hate group,” but Islam has enough history it can’t be legally discounted as a “religion.”
The government, including the DOD, is required by federal law to allow free exercise. The role of military chaplains – regardless of faith – is to aid in that free exercise. If a unit’s chaplain is Jewish and a soldier in that unit wants a quran, the chaplain must do all he can to get the soldier a quran. Same with halal meals and any other religious items provided by the DOD or religious outreach groups. (E.g., the DOD doesn’t provide tefillin for Jews, but a chaplain can reach out to the Jewish Chaplains Council or the Aleph Institute and get them for a Jewish soldier.)
Encouraging Islam is bad, yes. But the constitution is the constitution and the law is the law.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
A few points:
– I’m no scholar on the US constitution but I do know that your religious freedom statues are based on Enlightenment philosophy. No Enlightenment philosopher would ever grant *unconditional* religious freedoms. John Locke, for example, explicitly stated in his letters that religious tolerance should only be granted to those religions that extend it to other religions. Under this rule Mohammadism would not be tolerated.
I don’t know if the lack of this caveat was an error on the part of your founding fathers or not, but its absence is sorely felt; your enemies are using to great advantage.
– “If someone were to start a Nazi religion tomorrow…” In fact, Nazism had a nascent cult. See .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blutfahne .
kangi_yotaka says
Yeah, well, Islam wasn’t a thing in America when they were working all this out. Also, plenty of christians in the early US weren’t very tolerant of other christians, either; in fact christmas was banned as a celebration for a quite a while in the early years of America. So specifying ‘tolerance’ probably didn’t occur to them.
I realize Nazism had a cult, but that one was basically eradicated with denazification in the 1940s. If someone started one *now*, that would be different.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
You are probably talking about Mormonism, among other denominations, correct?
An interesting note on the “blood flag”: it disappeared and has never been found.
Ewanda says
If a “religion” is trying to overthrow the American government you can be sure that religious freedom is no longer on the table. Nazism is used as an example but it had no particular religious ceremonies like Islam having to obey its god’s directives. Maybe a more pertinent example of a religion arising in America would be the entire belief system including its practices, of the Aztecs or the Mayans. Do you really think that human sacrifice would be allowed under religious freedom? There are limits and I think that Islam has gotten a free ride under that edict for long enough. I think it is showing itself to not be worthy of the trust that the people of North America have entrusted to it.
Ashley says
If my “religion” condoned rape, sodomy, beheadings, honor killings, pedophilia, polygamy, wife beating, FMG and a host of other atrocities I would not expect my government to satisfy my request for a copy of the Qur’an.
As an astute contributor here on JW (I apologize for forgetting the name) once stated: “If you remove all the vile content from the Qur’an you will be reduced to a three page pamphlet.”
I get your point. I just don’t like the idea of the Pentagon distributing the Qur’an to our military personnel.
kangi_yotaka says
The thing is that they have to be able to distribute it. If we stripped muslims of their religious freedoms (which a big part of me is all for), then a) we’re trashing what the country was founded on. Additionally, what then? The rabid left decides to strip freedom from *everyone.*
Your christian house prayer group? Banned – too many cars parked in the neighborhood. Circumcision on the eighth day for Jews? Banned. Churches taxed or even fined. Maybe religion banned completely, a la the USSR. The bible is “hate literature” like the quran. Expressing any view to the contrary lumps you in as an “extremist.”
I don’t like them distributing qurans either, but there’s no way to maintain the freedom of religion that got this nation started without allowing it.
Wellington says
See my 4:25 P.M. post. I’ll sum it up here: We don’t have to strip Muslims of their religious freedoms under the Constitution but, by God, we do have to very publicly describe their religion as iniquitous.
Terry Gain says
The government has no obligation to distribute religious literature. And it certainly shouldn’t be distributing hate filled seditious war manuals under the guise that they contain the word of God.
Wellington says
The HUGE problem here lies not with the free exercise of religion but rather with the continued willful ignorance by so many in authority in the US government and military of the nefarious nature of Islam, whereby Islam is still treated as a good thing.
Time is way overdue to identify Islam as a bad thing; oh yes, still allow it for constitutional and legal purposes but nothing in the Constitution and the laws made in pursuance thereof should require any government official to treat a particular religious belief as good or innocuous just because it is a religious belief (another example here other than Islam: Satanism). After all, the Constitution is not a suicide pact, but the continued approbation of Islam by sundry American government and military personnel persisting in their massive ignorance of Islam and describing it as something benevolent has suicide (and stupidity) written all over it.
The Constitution was not created so that the malevolent and ignorant can destroy it in the name of it. But this is what is happening right now because, perish the thought, should Islam ever become the major religion of America (highly unlikely I know but I am presenting theory here to illustrate my overall point), the Constitution would either be shredded of all meaning or simply extinguished.
Law without common sense and a proper moral compass is law gravely in danger. Islam and all those who defend it, whether Muslim or non-Muslim, are woeful in the common sense department, as they are in the proper moral compass department.
kangi_yotaka says
So if a Jewish soldier wants a religious item, and the unit chaplain, a muslim, thinks judaism is bad (as they do)… then the soldier is shit outta luck?
What if the chaplain is a fundamentalist christian and thinks all jews are hellbound? Also shit outta luck?
Wellington says
You see, you help prove my point. Law without proper knowledge, an enlightened moral compass and sound common sense can lead to “neutral” assessments such as yours, which lead to suicide of a nation through the back door.
I am an agnostic but Judaism and Christianity are not a mortal threat to liberty as Islam most certainly is. Again, think about the Constitution not being a suicide pact and reflect too on the premise that arid and uninformed objectivism is itself not sapient but moronic.
Try thinking outside the box. Give it a shot.
kangi_yotaka says
The issue is that we can either a) declare Islam “not a religion but a political system,” which would solve a lot of problems – but open the door to declaring *all* religions except maybe buddhism “political systems,” or b) continue to let them be a religion, but the government has to extend all the opportunities to them, too.
The government cannot be, even in the military, in the business of deciding which religions to support and which not to. It’s fundamentally unfair, and when the government is unfair, that’s a problem.
Ashley says
+1
As always…
Ashley says
That was to Wellington…
Niemoller says
Muslims are to freedom of religion what school shooters are to the second amendment.
Niemoller says
My bad, meant to write that Muslims are to freedom of religion what shoot shooters (and jihadists) are to the second amendment i.e., a challenge, or “Why we can’t have nice things.”
gravenimage says
I don’t believe that the Consitution demands that we supply Mohammedans with Qur’ans.
kangi_yotaka says
No, the constitution states that the government cannot infringe upon religious freedom.
The regulations of the various military services, however, do mandate providing items to service members. The entire raison d’etre of the chaplain corps is to help accommodate religious practice by service members – regardless of their religion or lack of it. That is, a chaplain has to minister to troops of all faiths. A battalion (about 1,500 soldiers) has one chaplain. There are protestants, catholics, jews, mormons, every flavor of everything. And one chaplain – who may also be anything. They must provide assistance to all. Naturally, a protestant chaplain isn’t going to administer mass; there are multiple chaplains in a brigade or division, so worship services are pretty plentiful.
But they must provide books (within reason; many organizations send scriptures/commentaries for distribution; these cost the military nothing). They also often provide regulation religious jewelry (saint medals, crosses, stars of david, etc.) and other items. If my battalion chaplain is a protestant and I am a jew trying to get to a passover seder, he must still help arrange that, because his job is to facilitate my religious practice.
I’d love to see islam eradicated just as much as anybody, but we cannot legally stop chaplains in the DOD from handing out qurans. It’s literally *what they’re there for.*
Terry Gain says
Kanji
Not distributing “religious holy books” is not infringing on anyone’s religion. A better argument is that it is unconstitutional to distribute relious literature.
Mark Swan says
Agree Terry Gain,
I would like to add this—
The military soldier’s purpose is to combat the enemies of this Nation,
when called upon to do so, regardless of the specific job duties, this is every soldiers,
primary duty.
Although Chaplains have made immense contributions to emotional support for soldiers,
this can hardly be considered combat—no religion should be paid for in tax payer money.
If these chaplains want to serve in military situations, they should be allowed to do so, on a voluntary bases only—no commission, no rank, and no pay.
Religious reading should be purchased by the individual soldier and not the tax payer.
The military is ran by the State, which is funded by tax payer money.
The Quran should be exposed for what it is.
All one has to do is sit down and read it.
Nearly all should be appalled.
mach37 says
When the First Amendment was adopted Islam was a minimum of 30 days, and sometimes as much as 60 days, travel from the North American eastern seaboard. I can’t help but believe the founding fathers of the constitution believed that Islam was too isolated from the New World to be a religious problem. Now that Islam has moved in and is less than a day’s travel from massively invading the USA, the First Amendment must be altered to recognize the fact that some religions are NOT equal to others. The First Amendment must acknowledge that Islam does not deserve equal standing with other religions because of its clear hostility toward other religions, and especially hostile to Jews and Christians.
Jayell says
It’s not just in the US military that you’re likely to find ‘wind-up robotic, careerist fools’who are short of a few IQ points, they have always been the ‘jobsworth’ backbone of every sizeable organisation worldwide, parroting the company/party line with their brains selectively disconnected and saying or doing anything as per the latest official memo for the sake of keeping their pensions. They’re the run-of-the-mill useful idiotic minions who’ll practise institutional negligence or/and mutate into institutional thugs when it comes to terminating whistle-blowers or anyone/anything else that doesn’t suit official policy; the Third Reich wouldn’t have got anywhere without them, just like Facebook, the current UK, Canadian, Swedish and German establishments, the C of E, Stanford University, Oxford University, the BBC and ABC in Australia, CNN, the London Met, South Yorkshire and West Mercia (Telford) Police – and anywhere else where the Islam/PC viruses have got into the computer systems. Doesn’t look too good, does it?
gravenimage says
Does the “U.S. Pentagon” know what is in this Koran?
………………………..
This is not being distributed to educate Infidels, but just distributed to to Muslims who have infiltrated our armed forces. Suicidal insanity.
Wellington says
“Infiltrated” is an accurate word, gravenimage. Muslims are superb at infiltration, even the nice ones who don’t really know their religion and truly believe that Islam is just fine, compatible with democracy, women’s rights, equality under the law, etc. In their own way, such “nice Muslims” are themselves useful idiots just as all the dhimmi excuse makers for Islam are.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Wellington.
Jack Diamond says
Apparently no one in the military can simply google the corpus Qur’an with every mainstream english translation. They rely on the Pentagon to provide a “simplified” annotated version for the dumbed-down? If for the benefit of Muslim-recruits, they assume Muslims aren’t familiar with the unsimplified Qur’an? Or this is part of “re-educating” them by translating “kill the unbelievers” into “kiss the unbelievers” or maybe “buy them a sandwich”?
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=9&verse=29
How about a companion piece so our soldiers know who and what is making war against them, and why? Robert Spencer’s “The History of Jihad” for instance, or the “The Complete Infidel’s Guide to the Koran”. They might even return Stephen Coughlin to his position at the Pentagon, advising the Joint Chiefs.
And for sure a transcript (or DVD) included of the lecture (and power-point presentation) Major Nidal Malik Hasan, M.D., delivered at Walter Reed Hospital in 2007, as to why Muslims should not be allowed in the United States military (aka “Why I Intend to Murder 13 American Soldiers at Foot Hood”).
gravenimage says
Yes–a great resource.
But most of these tools have not so much as cracked the cover of a Qur’an.
MBR says
JD, that is a useful link you give, with seven mainstream translations for every verse. I haven’t seen the Hye Koran but from the snippets Kirby gives matched with the options in your link it appears that Hye relies heavily on the hardline Muhsin Khan and Hilali translation, their ‘The Noble Qur’an’.
That is supported by a reference in the pdf link Kirby provides for a powerpoint presentation.
Have you or anybody here seen the Hye version to comment on the degree and nature of simplification involved?
Jack Diamond says
No, not gonna pay to read it. It just seems to add elements (context) from the sira etc.
So, we get summaries like the following da’wa rubbish heap
“During the last 10 years of his (Muhammad’s) life…
he destroyed idolatry in Arabia;
raised status of women to complete legal equality with men;
stopped drunkenness and immorality in the society;
made people live with faith, sincerity and honesty;
transformed the nation from the ignorance of darkness into
fully knowledgeable societies.
His mission transformed a society from all forms of injustice
into universal human brotherhood as servants of Allah.
Within 100 years, Islam and his way of life had spread from the remote corners of Arabia to as far EAST as Indo-China and as far WEST as Morocco, France, and Spain.
He is the LAST messenger for the entire world from the SAME Allah of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus. The Qur’an is the FINAL REVELATION”
MBR says
So this ‘simplified’ version (though listed as coming in at 464 pages) is actually a ‘stealth Koran’, based on a Saudi-approved translation, slipping in a payload of extra editorial dawah between innocent-looking covers…?
Sentinel says
Isn’t there a law against distributing anti US propaganda among the military ?
CogitoErgoSum says
Things for the Pentagon to consider:
1. The Quran is a military text.
2. Jihad is not the exclusive domain of the professional soldier, nor is it restricted to the application of military force alone (all Muslims play a role in Jihad).
3. The Umma (the unified society of Muslims) has a duty to clear the path for Islam (The manifest destiny of Islam is to rule the world.)
4. Muslims may conclude treaties with non-believers but only for a temporary time.
5. Jihad is a continuous and never-ending struggle waged on all fronts including political, economic, social, psychological, domestic, moral and spiritual.
6. Islam gives a strategy of war that penetrates deep down to destroy the opponent’s FAITH and render his physical and mental faculties totally ineffective.
7. Jihad is a continuum, across peace and war. It is a constant and covers the spectrum from grand strategy to tactical; collective to the individual; from the preparatory to the execution phases of war.
For more details see the link below:
http://insct.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/MyersJoseph.Quranic-Concept-of-War.pdf
D-spot says
There was a time when a persons religion was a private matter, learned and practiced at home, gathering in places of worship together on specific days was the norm. School was for learning tools to survive in the world, acquire a trade or preparation for university. The military was to protect citizens and countries. It would seem to me, that a return to such basic thinking might be a good thing as we have complicated everything trying to accommodate everyone and this, with the best intentions, seems to lead to dissatisfaction all round. This sounds simplistic and naive even to me, but governments routinely overstep the mark, our freedoms, so hard won, are slowly being reined in – bound to end badly.
Ewanda says
I can’t believe that after all the knowledge and lectures and presentations that have been gifted to us by Robert Spencer, Bill Warner, Jay Smith, Usama Dakdok, Pamela Geller, Sandra Solomon, Sam Solomon, Daniel Shayesteh, David Wood, Annie Cyrus, Sam Shamoun, Frank Gaffney, John Guandolo, Ayyan Hirsi, and many, many more credible personages, that there are still those who post comments here that will say Islam is a religion, rather than saying Islam includes religious aspects. Islam is no more a religion than Aztec and Mayan conquerors were practicing their religion – by overrunning their surrounding neighbours. Those bloodthirsty, cruel ceremonies and practices changed the brains of those who watched and made them capable of destroying rather than respecting. It is the same with Islam. Their clever inhumane practices have honed them into a perfect, desensitized killing machine among enlightened peaceful inhabitants. The sooner that is grasped, the sooner we may be able to save ourselves and our civilization, hopefully.
ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION
Daniel Triplett says
We’re not required to tolerate any ideology or “religion” that pursues our extermination. Co-existing with such peoples is impossible.
If today a man were to invent Islam, by next week he’d be locked up in prison. Why are we giving Constitutional Rights to a 7th Century psychopath, or his adherents?
Ren says
Islam, quran and the like is all bullshit. No one should ever believe it.
Billy Chickens says
No problem. I have a shredder.
duh swami says
‘Dilution’ will kill Islam…What this world needs is more ‘versions’ of the Quran, lots of them, each a little different than the others..Soon, no one, not even scholars, can determine what Islam actually is, weakening the ideology by means of dilution…
I might even write my own version, just to muddy the waters a little more…
gravenimage says
All translations of the Qur’an are virtually identical,
duh swami says
A liberal woman told me that ‘Alef Lam Mim’, means ‘Hail Satan’…Is that correct?
gravenimage says
Nope. This is Qur’anic mumbo-jumbo, but it does not refer to Satan:
https://www.quora.com/In-the-Quran-what-does-alif-lam-and-meem-mean
The Qur’an is hideous enough as it is–no reason to make things up.
AP says
duh swami, best idea yet!
No Muzzies Here says
I resent the fact that my money was used to promote one religion and to spread hate.
JAK says
. No different than when the handed out copies of Mein Kampf to the troops b4 D day. OH Wait, that didn’t happen did it? Neither should this!!
gravenimage says
+1
Indiana Tom says
The U.S. Pentagon distributes our simplified translation of the Qur’an to our service members all over the world. See how this easy interpretation is educating them about Islam.
On this banner is the U.S. Department of Defense logo.[2]
Oh heck, let us all be PC and just replace the Bible with the Quran and the Communist Manifesto.
Convert the Troops now!
tedh754 says
I am always amazed at how muslims believe that allah is not constrained in any way…so what if he changed is mind and sent another “prophet?” And if the koran was written before time, why didn’t allah just send it to someone who wouldn’t “corrupt” it in the beginning? I’m beginning to think that muslims aren’t very bright.
gravenimage says
They *aren’t* very bright–but they will still murder you if you point out their logical inconsistencies.
reyol says
Military chaplains have a duty to provide religious materials to meet the spiritual needs of the servicemembers within their unit. As far as they know, Islam is a religion like any other. The question is: why are the recruiters signing up all of these disloyal Mohammedans? Why are they getting security clearances? Their religion requires them to be loyal only to the Umma and enemies to all infidels. Have we not enough murdered soldiers and officers that we must recruit more murderers?
Jeff says
“Palestine” is not in the actual Koran once. It wasn’t a place-name known by any of Mohamad’s authors, or him.