Nureddin Yıldız said: “Women should be grateful to God because God allowed men to beat women and be relaxed.”
This is a sarcastic reflection of what is actually stated in the Qur’an: “Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them.” — Qur’an 4:34
Will Nureddin Yıldız be arrested for insulting Islam? It could easily happen in Erdogan’s rapidly re-Islamizing Turkey.
“Don’t stain women in the name of Islam: Erdoğan,” Hürriyet Daily News, March 9 2018:
The commandments of Islam can and will never change, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has said, amid criticism over his earlier comments on the necessity for an “update” of Islamic regulations.
“It is wrong for some individuals, who have no relation to the realities of life, to utter some words and confuse people. Nobody has the right to accuse our religion,” Erdoğan said at an event in Ankara on March 9.
He had criticized specific preachers on March 8, following Social Fabric Foundation head Nureddin Yıldız’s controversial comments about violence against women. “Women should be grateful to God because God allowed men to beat women and be relaxed,” Yıldız said on March 3 in a video posted online, stirring outrage….
“We do not seek reform in religion, which is beyond our capability … Our holy Quran has and will always have words to say. Its commandments will never change. But the independent reasoning derived from them, the developed rules and their implementation will surely change according to the time, the conditions and the possibilities,” Erdoğan said.
Erdoğan also reiterated his call for the Directorate of Religious Affairs (Diyanet) to take a more active role in addressing the issue.
“I do not have the authority to speak on such matters. But as a president, as a Muslim, and as a person who has responsibility, I cannot tolerate such discord brought to my religion,” he said.
“We cannot ignore the stain and the shadow that such people’s random words about women and youths have brought to Islam. Nobody has the right to cause such confusion and caricature our religion as such,” he added.
Ren says
Nobody has the right to accuse a fucked up religion, islam.
Save Europe says
You do. I do. So I will say the following – Islam is the cancer on Earth.
gordon miller says
Yes, I have the right as citizen of the United States to proclaim that your so-called religion is a pile of ancient garbage.
Carolyne says
Erdogan will indeed tolerate it because he is a mouse who roars. Get over it Recep. You are a fool in badly made suits.
gravenimage says
Guys, Ren is being sarcastic.
Ren says
?
larry says
Well, here in America, we have the right to “accuse” or criticize anything or anyone we damn well please.
J D S says
I can’t believe that some power has not taken this nut out yet…but I guess he is one of our allies and will be protected…What a farce.
morty mooze says
DOES ERDOGAN BEAT HIS WIFE?
morty mooze says
DOES ERDOGAN BEAT HIS WIFE ???
FYI says
..Except the True God who will NOT let islam win.
MATTHEW chpt 24 verse 30
The day THAT happens is the day islam will no longer be able to exist.
Both Christianity and Israel will survive.
islam won’t.
koukdb says
Israel’s long held dreams of cleansing the Middle East & Africa of as many Muslims as possible, then claiming the lands for Jews (as they’ve done with Palestine & the Golan Heights in Syria), is one of the main reasons the west & Europe is now inundated with Muslims. And forget not that the similarities between Judaism & Islam are overwhelming. Right down to women in both cults wearing burqas. Wake up!
Wellington says
Bullshit, koukdb. Similarities between Judaism and Islam? Like what? How many Jewish suicide bombers have there been? Do you not even understand that the Old Testament is often only descriptive while the Koran is always prescriptive? Judaism, like Christianity and other religions, contra Islam, has a Golden Rule for all. Islam has a Golden Rule only for Muslims. Islam is the only religion that calls for war to be made upon all mankind “until all religion is with Allah.” {Sura 8:39} Judaism doesn’t call for this at all. And your assertion that Israel has “long held dreams of cleansing the Middle East & Africa of as many Muslims as possible, then claim the lands for the Jews…..” is absolute rubbish. Respecting your equivalency thinking about Muslim and Jewish women, this too is utter nonsense. Compared to Islam, Jewish women have far, far, far more rights than do Muslim women. And speaking of rights and putting the lie again to your comment of 2:55 P.M., Israeli Arabs, the vast majority of whom are Muslim, have more rights than do Arabs in any of the over twenty Arab nations that exist. How do you explain this?
You are a liar and I’m calling you out on it. Get lost. You will make no headway here at JW because, with few exceptions, regular commenters here are Islam savvy and thus will reject your bogus assertions just as I have. Done here.
Lesley Ward says
Wellington, thank you for correcting this obviously Islamic person who is full of absolute rubbish regarding Israel.
Unfortunately though like most muslims, he is just one more who has absolutely NO knowledge of Israel or the West and is brainwashed with the greatest load of rubbish and believes it.
Erdogan is a very dangerous man, watch this space as he is carefully setting the scene and people up for HIM to once more create the caliphate with him as its leader and to once again march across Europe to conquer what the Ottomans won and lost and finish the job!
75million turks at home and millions more already in place across Europe, this man is a meglamaniac and a danger to the entire world.
Jack Dawkins says
From Rabbi Joseph Teitelbaum:
“The danger for the Jewish People is because those who are irreligious and who are heretics are the leaders of the Jewish People. Therefore because of them the nations of the world are misled into hating Jews, so one of the greatest things to do would be to selflessly proclaim to the nations that the Zionists are not the representatives of the Jewish People, and that religious Jews have no connection with them. We should have had self-sacrifice to do this, but because of our many sins, people are frightened of public opinion, and if anyone should say these things about the Zionists, there will be religious leaders who will fight against them with all sorts of excuses.”
CRUSADER says
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/3e15df9d-83d4-412c-8ca1-ae6c32b98be3
“DONE HERE.”
(Classic scene with DELTA from “Blackhawk Down”)
Wellington says
Jack Dawkins: Teitilbaum was an Hasidic Rabbi who like certain other Ultra-Orthodox Jews ( a small minority among Jews across the world) believed that only God could re-establish Israel and not man. Thus, he and those Jews who thought (still do) like him looked upon the establishment of modern Israel as heretical and thus opposed Zionism, founded in the late nineteenth century by Teodor Herzl and other prominent European Jews (a major motivator in the founding of Zionism was the Dreyfus trial in France which convinced Herzl and many other Jews that anti-Semitism functioned under the surface of many European societies and could rear its ugly head without much effort often times).
Zionism had many goals, including the revival of Hebrew as a spoken language (quite successful here), but its principal goal was to found a homeland for the Jews. Many places were at first considered, including in South America, but before long it was clear there could be only one place: Palestine. Via the Balfour Declaration, the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in WWI, the British Mandate, the 1947 UN partition plan, et al., modern Israel came into being in 1948. But Hasidic Jews (or at least some of them, I’m not sure if all or most) cling to this day to the idea that Israel was not properly founded because man founded it, not the deity, and thus Zionism must be opposed.
Frankly, I find this extremist religious thinking, but such people have a right to it. Unfortunately, many anti-Semites use this opposition to Zionism by this minority of Jews as just further “evidence” that Israel should not exist. Hence, such Hasidic Jews effectively play the stooge for those who want no Israel at all. IMHO, such Jews should simply be ignored as impractical in the extreme and, I would argue, ungrateful. Invariably when I see such Jews invoked to denounce Zionism there is an anti-Semitic agenda lurking behind a metaphorical veil that should be obvious to all but the most obtuse.
gravenimage says
Good posts, Wellington.
gravenimage says
The dishonest koukdb–whom I have never seen posting here before–wrote:
Israel’s long held dreams of cleansing the Middle East & Africa of as many Muslims as possible, then claiming the lands for Jews (as they’ve done with Palestine & the Golan Heights in Syria), is one of the main reasons the west & Europe is now inundated with Muslims.
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What a load of tripe. Israel defends against Jihad attempts to destroy her; pretending defense is genocide is just grotesque calumny. In fact, Israel never acts unless she is under attack.
And Israelis are not claiming other parts of the Middle East, and have never claimed any part of Africa. What rot.
It seems that koukdb is also pretending that the sectarian Muslim-on-Muslim violence in Syria and Iraq and the Islamic State is actually perpetrated by Jews is obvious crap. Would he have us believe that ISIS is actually Mossad?
As for the West being flooded with invading Muslims being due to the existence of little Israel, this is obviously absurd.
Most Muslim migrants are not from Israel or the “Palestinian territories”, or even from Syria or other parts of the Levant, but from places like Afghanistan, North Africa, or sub-Saharan Africa–places with few to no Jewish people, and none in any sort of majority.
Israel is tiny–it has only 8.5 million people, or about the same number of people as in the San Francisco Bay Area, where I live.
The idea that this small nation–surrounded by dozens of large, far more populous Muslim nations–is causing millions of Muslims to flee to the West is just ridiculous.
More:
And forget not that the similarities between Judaism & Islam are overwhelming. Right down to women in both cults wearing burqas. Wake up!
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What *absolute crap*. There is no codified abuse of women in Judaism as there is in Islam, and the Burqa is not Judaic, but Islamic. There is nothing even vaguely similar in Judaism.
Is koukdb this ignorant–or does he just hope that we are?
CRUSADER says
That’s why koukdb is a KOOK !
Eur says
Europe is flooded with Moroccans, Algerians, Pakistanis, Somalies … What does Israel have to do? In all attacks on European citizens there were Moroccans, Algerians and Tunisians of first or second generation … What has Israel and Palestine to do with all this? In the UK the Pakistanis behave in a supremacist manner, in France, Spain .. Algerians and Moroccans attend mosques where the Salafist sermon radicalizes them .. what does Israel have to do with all this? In European prisons there are thousands of Pakistani, Moroccan and Algerian jihadists … nobody bombs those countries, in the Philippines also the Muslims are with their damn jihad for centuries. In Trinidad and Tobago 20 years ago the Muslims made a coup d’état … the same thing happens on the whole planet. Is it all Israel’s fault? I do not defend Zionism, I find it horrifying what happens in the West Bank … but it is clear that Islamism uses that as a victim card. Islam is a religious political movement of conquest, always has been. You need to read a bit of history.
CRUSADER says
If you read Alan Dershowitz’s book “The Case FOR Israel” you would understand how what transpires in the West Bank is nearly all justified and how much that is reported against Israel is slanted on purpose.
There is also this, vidclip from Prager U:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhbCtAz_BQc
“Are Israeli Settlements the Barrier to Peace?”
Is Israel’s policy of building civilian communities in the West Bank the reason there’s no peace agreement with the Palestinians? Or would there still be no peace even if Israel removed all of its settlements and evicted Israeli settlers, as it did in Gaza in 2005? Renowned Harvard professor and legal scholar Alan Dershowitz explains.
gravenimage says
Good post, Eur. My only disagreement, Eur, is your comment about the “West Bank”. I don’t find this horrifying–unless you believe that defending against violent Jihad should be so characterized.
Agreed, CRUSADER.
Granddaddy says
Where do you people get these strange ideas? I don’t want to argue, I’m just curious. “Israel’s long held dreams of cleansing the Middle East & Africa of as many Muslims as possible”. Where’s that from?
christianblood says
koukdb
Please watch 3 minute video clip below and see who the real subjects of ethnic cleaning in the middle east are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35eEljsSQfc
gravenimage says
Excellent link, Christianblood.
Yes–virtually the entire Middle East, Levant, and Mahgreb has been cleansed of Jews–despite many of these communities actually predating Islam.
Granddaddy says
So just about everything Muslims say cannot be trusted, and the only they can be trusted to do is to lie. They are all very good. They don’t show an atom of guilt about it. Maybe there should be a Nobel prize for Lying. So Muslims could win a prize now and then. Otherwise, they’re pretty useless.
Granddaddy says
Okay. So now we know that they know that their accusations against Israel are not true. If they actually believed their own lies, they would have continued lying like the common Muslim (who they lie to continually and who believes what he is told by his superiors whom he trusts), but they don’t.
So now my question is, Why do they hate Israel?
It must occur to some of them that if what they believe about Israel were true, then why do they have to lie? If Israel is really as evil as they seem to believe, then why not just tell the truth? And if they believed their lies, then why were they silent? Obviously, they know that the things of which they accuse Israel are not true.
So the question now is, Why do they hate Israel?
christianblood says
gravenimage
You are right, Graven. Arabs have 22 independent countries of their own and yet they still refuse recognize the one and only Jewish state, the State of Israel and would wish to annihilate it.
gravenimage says
True, Chirstianblood.
Savvy Kafir says
“Except the True God who will NOT let islam win.”
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If God is going to step in & solve our Islam problem, I wish He/She/It would get on with it. Doesn’t seem to be in any great hurry. Meanwhile…tick-tock, tick-tock….
Maybe a better plan is for us to deal with the problem ourselves, without relying on divine intervention or any sort of hocus-pocus or magic books.
LeftisruiningCanada says
It’s not generally an either/or situation.
Savvy Kafir says
Still, maybe we would accomplish more in our resistance to Islam’s encroachment in the West, if we assume that divine assistance will not be forthcoming.
Desperation can be a great motivator. And false hope reduces that sense of desperation.
LeftisruiningCanada says
There are many accounts of how hoping and trusting for God’s intervention has given people the courage to wade into hopeless situations.
The OT is a good place to start.
Save Europe says
It is not enough to ‘hope’ what you have said. You must tell people about the threat which Islam represents to every Western Country – whether they are Christian, agnostic, atheist, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh etcetera
Carolyne says
Civilized people may wish that a mythical all powerful being will miraculously appear to save them. There are even people who believe that the sun stood still at Medjugorje, stopped by an unseen hand, but of course the sun always stands still in relation to the earth. If the earth stood still, we’d all fall off. Miracles sent by a God just don’t happen, however much we wish. The more logical and effective method of ridding ourselves of Muslims is taking up arms and deporting them back to the “Hellholes” they came from.
LeftisruiningCanada says
I agree with your last sentence Carolyne
We should try to do that with all of our abilities and strength, all the while asking and hoping that God will allow us to succeed.
It’s not clear to me why people seem to believe that Christians are taught to just sit idly by and wait for the big ‘kazam’ miracle to occur. This idea simply doesn’t square with the general history of Israel in the OT or the history of Christians in the NT.
There are some examples where ONLY God’s action can solve a problem, but these examples are not normative. They are called ‘miracles’ partly for the very reason of their seldom occurrence.
And they do happen. No doubt about it. You personally may not have experienced it, but that by no means rules out their existence.
Tom S. says
We do in the USA. Hey Erdogan: I criticize your so called religion of peace daily, whenever it come up, you and the rest of your clit-chopping misogynists. My First Amendment right says I can, backed up by my 2nd Amendment ability to enforce it.
Get a life past the dark ages, will ya?
LeftisruiningCanada says
+1
Those are the freedoms that you are fighting for, and that the rest of the world wishes they had to begin with.
nicu says
Erdogan is a Bosporus – Hitler ! He wants the Osmanian Reich , back !
And his so called religion is nothing than a sick ideology !
762x51FMJ says
. Islam – this theology of an immoral Arab – is a dead thing. Possibly it might have suited tribes in the desert. It is no good for a modern, progressive state. God’s revelation! There is no God! These are only the chains by which the priests and bad rulers bound the people down. A ruler who needs religion is a weakling. No weaklings should rule.
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Didn’t mince his words did he.
Savvy Kafir says
An enthusiast of the European Enlightenment, Ataturk was an amazing man who did amazing things for Turkey in terms of secularization, education, modernization, etc. Too bad it’s all being undone today, by just the sort of pious, backwards-looking ignoramuses he struggled against so heroically.
Norger says
True. And Istanbul is one of the world’s great cities. The tourist industry there has been ruined by the events of the last few years (terrorist attacks, failed coup etc.) I wonder if it (and Turkey’s economy) will ever recover. He has taken the country several giant steps backward,
Save Europe says
Due to Erdogan, the tourist decline is absolutely merited. I hope Turkey’s tourism is so concretely ruined, that he is deposed….albeit I doubt it.
CRUSADER says
Let’s not put Ataturk fully on the high throne for admiration.
He did some dastardly things as well. Just add that salt to the Turkish Delight for a modicum of spicy sensibility.
Norger says
He wasn’t a saint, but managed to abolish the Caliphate, abolish the veil and the fez, and secularize Turkey’s government and military. He went a long way towards making Turkey into a more modern, westernized country. Now Erdoğan—and Islam—is dragging the country backwards again.
gravenimage says
True, CRUSADER.
The worst thing under Attaturk is that he did not stop the Armenian Genocide, which had begun under the Ottoman Empire and continued under the “Young Turks”. It did not end until after the horrific destruction of Smyrna, when almost all Christians had been slaughtered or driven out of Turkey.
There is no doubt that he understood the degrading effects of Islam better than most–but this did not extend to his protecting Infidels.
Tjhawk says
“Nobody has the right to accuse our religion”
Really?
Everybody has th right to observe your religion, use reason to determine the facts, pass judgement based on knowledge, then if an accusation needs to be made, they DO have the right to accuse your religion.
That’s what living in the free world is all about. That, in large part, is what makes us free.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Exactly. This one comment from erdogvan tells us everything we need to know about how completely incompatible and antithetical islam is to the West.
How many muslims disagree with what he said there?
Islam, and the evil culture and mentation that go with it, have NO place in our parts of the world.
Savvy Kafir says
Agreed! We should thank Erdogan for showing the infidel world the true face of Islam. He’s not much of a taqiyya artist, that one.
As you say, Islam is totally incompatible with free societies, and has no place in the civilized world. It’s time to root it out of the West, entirely.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Rooting out would be great. I’d be glad to see even so much as pruning job happen at the moment.
Leondegrance2 says
He’s gone power mad after that “coup” he organised worked out so well for him. Getting rid of those very dangerous teachers along with actual threats like the military has swollen his head so far he’s not capable of controlling what is coming out of his gob.
The man is a ridiculous caricature of an Islamic nutcase spewing Quran gibberish anywhere he has a microphone. It works out well because some of these western leftist globalists can’t ignore an Islamic leader as much as they usually ignore fundamentalist shouting from the rooftops. And those who choose to put their heads in the sand might actually take note.
It won’t be long though until he makes a fatal mistake because of his earlier success. I’m waiting for it.
CRUSADER says
Open the Gates of Ijtihad again!
Let REASON fill the heads of Muslims…..
Tjhawk says
Not holding my breath for that one.
CRUSADER says
“Hold your breath, make a wish, and count to three”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSAt3IJjAlE
Trumpian Triumphalism:
(“Actually it makes a lot of sense if you understand evolution, darling…..”)
gravenimage says
I’m afraid I’m not holding my breath, either. And while the formal “closing of the gates of Itijihad” were a blow to any chances of Islam being reformed, there was not much of a chance, in any case.
The texts and tenets of Islam and the model of the “Prophet” all tend towards violence and Muslims being discouraged to question the smallest article of their vicious creed.
CRUSADER says
Which is why Ayaan Hirsi Ali has spelled out a path for “islamic renovation” in her book “HERETIC”….
Take a gander at it, and also compare it to what Irshad Manji has said about reform…
….and then see if there is a remote chance.
The point is this: with over a billion Muslims, there has to be some avenues for them to take when the “fit hits the shan” other than:
a) siding with the Salafi
and
b) converting to a calmer religion
Because, in the future, there won’t be much of a choice for the majority of Muslims to remain silent.
Norger says
Yes, a non-Muslims are are discouraged even more from criticizing Islam’s violent, supremacist ideology.
gravenimage says
CRUSADER, I have the greatest respect for the brave Ayaan Hirsi Ali–she is a particular heroine of mine–but I have studied enough history to consider her hopes of Islam reforming pretty unlikely.
I would, of course, love to be wrong–but I think there is little chance of that.
CRUSADER says
“Keep on Rockin’ in the Free World!!!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnAgc1kgvLc
gravenimage says
Erdogan hates freedom.
Lavéritétriomphera says
No surprise in all totalitarian systems, the freedom of thought and conscience is forbidden.
gravenimage says
So true.
David B says
Nice to see another Obama success story in the news once again…
Norger says
Exactly the opposite is true. Everyone has the right to criticize Islam, Judaism, Christianity etc. It’s called the Enlightenment. The future may or may not belong to those who do slander the prophet of Islam, but it sure as hell better belong to those who can.
kouldb says
It is astonishing to me that billions of otherwise intelligent people in the 21st century willingly observe ancient texts, written at times of extreme ignorance, by unknown persons who claim to have had direct communications with an imaginary friend in the sky. That so many are so committed that they’ll even slaughter their own children for the cause. Incredible! Meanwhile, if Islam were a religion invented in the west, and considering the barbaric acts that have been committed in its cause — it would have long ago been declared a cult. Then made illegal. But instead, because the majority of its followers are people of colour — entire civilised nations go out of their way to appease it. Even at the risk of a mass collective genocide of their own people.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
There is a distinction between criticism and lies. Nureddin yildiz was just mocking and making caricature of Islam, not raising real issues on the ground. Islam never mistreats women. women are part of the society as mothers, sisters and wives.There must be a leader in the family Who shall be the husband. It is unnatural for wife to be leader even among animals. Let the mithraist Christians have families with wives as heads for them not be accused of mistreating women, we less concern .
CRUSADER says
Mr Irritates needs to remember how Ijtihad had made Islam at one time seem like it had a chance at being rational and reasonable….
Gates of Reason got closed.
Islam has been closed minded ever since.
Brains rot when they can’t get fresh air and breathe in God’s Grace.
+++++++++
DEUS VULT
+++++++++
LeftisruiningCanada says
” Islam never mistreats women.”
Perhaps not as mohammad defined it.
But normal people don’t think it’s ok to beat your wife, punch them in the chest, or have sex with nine year old girls, or force your wife to wear a bag, or count a woman’s testimony as worth half that of a man’s, or desire to cut a woman’s private parts out, or whip them for showing their hair, or create toxic family situations that see women either dominating or envying the other three wives, or any number of other disgusting degradations that belie what a foul demon mohammad was channeling.
Norger says
Hear, hear!
Save Europe says
But respectfully, Moh married a 6 year old girl and told all his followers it was okay to rape and marry non Muslim sex slaves.
LeftisruiningCanada says
“There must be a leader in the family Who shall be the husband. It is unnatural for wife to be leader even among animals. Let the mithraist Christians have families with wives as heads for them not be accused of mistreating women, we less concern .”
I agree with you on this point Ibrahim. The NT is quite clear that a husband is to bear the final responsibility in family matters.
But that doesn’t mean a husband can hit is wife or act like a tyrant.
Do you understand the difference?
CRUSADER says
Well, Mr Irritates, in astonishingly one of his most lucid moments of writing (above), does make a point that Muslims can’t completely brutalize their baby-makers, since they need to create more clones and drones for their Jihad* and Hijra*….
*(all words which by the way autocorrect doesn’t seem to have a problem with, but it does with other words stemming from the Occident world! Odd, that autocorrect would be aligned so well with Orientalism…….ooops!, spellcheck didn’t like that last word!)
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Lifruinicanada, according to NT wife is under absolutely control of the husband. is that also tyrany ? Again, NT recorded that wife is a servant of the husband and servant is the same thing as a slave who jesus said shall obey his Master even If he maltreats him.
LeftisruiningCanada says
You will have to start referencing scripture Ibrahim, if you want to discuss this any further.
Nothing you say is truth, everything is lies.
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Lifruinicanada, according to NT wife is under absolutely control of the husband. is that also tyrany ? Again, NT recorded that wife is a servant of the husband and servant is the same thing as a slave who jesus said shall obey his Master even If he maltreats him.
…………………
No–women are not slaves in Christianity, as the sickening Ibrahim itace muhammed would have us believe.
Here is some of what the Bible says about marriage:
Ephesians 4:2-3: “With all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.”
Ephesians 5:25-33: “Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her…In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself…”
Funny–no mention of beating and terrorizing your wife here…
LeftisruiningCanada says
Precisely GI.
If Ibrahim has ever looked over the book of Ephesians, i’m a Canada goose flying north for the summer.
AleX says
@ibe itace moe
ibe needs to learn submission from a master woman. (Wonder Woman?)
Then and only then could ibe discover the pleasures of the masochist.
islamic masochism is no longer appealing, nor is it productive.
For allah is all-knowing, wise.
gravenimage says
LeftisruiningCanada, considering that Ibrahim itace muhammed has said such grotesque things as there being passages in the Bible that instruct Christian clerics to crucify and rape women, and for Christian parents to dip their fingers into their daughter’s vaginas and then prostituting them, I would be very much surprised if he has ever so much as cracked the cover of a Bible.
The truly bizarrre thing is that he continues to make such ludicrous claims, even though he is called on them all the time here.
Eur says
What a barbarity!!!! these aberrations just a day after the international day of the woman’s day. Muslims do not know what it is to have a life partner … as an equal.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Leftruinigcanada,see Deuteronomy 15:11-12 for violence against women and endorsed by mithraist Jesus (not prophet Isa of the Quran).
CogitoErgoSum says
Deuteronomy 15:11-12 (KJV) reads as follows:
11 For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’
12 “If your brother, a Hebrew man or a Hebrew woman, is sold to you, he shall serve you six years, and in the seventh year you shall let him go free from you.
This supports violence against women? You are a very confused person, Ibrahim.
gravenimage says
Thank You, CogitoErgoSum.
CRUSADER says
Eur,
Mr Irritates wants you to tell LIRC to go see Deuteronomy….
Carolyne says
1 Corinthians 14: 33-34
Carolyne says
And 35.
gravenimage says
Carolyn, whatever you think of these verses, they are not telling Christians to beat women.
gravenimage says
Sorry–I meant Carolyne.
Dallas says
Do you not know that elephants are lead by a female and they do it brilliantly.
gravenimage says
+1
LeftisruiningCanada says
It’s true. And she sure as heck knows what she’s doing.
boakai ngombu says
itace, i don’t know of many “mithraist Christians” who would give one woman who “is of the right hand” to a guest for a night or two
and
do you plow your tilth so well that she happily desires more of your plowing?
and
how are you and the daughter of your father’s first wife getting along (or, is she still in the “women’s room” under lock and key with a bit’o’bread and a rag for sanitary purposes)?
CRUSADER says
boakai ngombu ~
Compliments!
Thank you for your comment on this article at CounterJihadReport, by the way.
God Bless You!
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“PERFECT MAN”
Center for Security Policy, by Frank Gaffney, June 7, 2017:
In America’s heartland, a much-needed debate has been prompted by an unlikely muse: a pair of billboards in Dallas and Indianapolis. They simply list six attributes of “The Perfect Man.”
Sharia-supremacists like Indiana Congressman André Carson, however, have recognized the description of this so-called exemplar as, for example, a “rapist,” “mass murderer” and “slave-trader” as their prophet, Mohammed. They are furious, and insist that the billboards are mischaracterizing the founder of their faith and are “Islamophobic.”
In fact, the sacred texts of Islam make clear that the perfect Muslim – and the Sharia code his life and conduct make an obligatory model for its adherents – revere personal qualities and behavior completely at odds with our Constitution and civilization.
Let the debate begin – but let it end with an affirmation that the model for Americans, Muslim and non-Muslims alike, should not be that of Mohammed.
https://counterjihadreport.com/2017/06/07/a-most-imperfect-man/
boakai ngombu says
thanks, CRUSADER. i got … i needed to vent.
by the way, i do appreciate your “lyrics” but, i’m a little tonedeaf at present and on these topics can only “hear” something like dirges in Cflat demolished.
gravenimage says
Great post, boakai ngombu.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Boakai, go to Nigeria ,wild christians give their wives on hire for sex.
Lavéritétriomphera says
The behavior of some people does not justify what other persons are doing. We are Mediterranean as the sultan is, and as a real Mediterranean Erdogan is a loudmouth and he eliminates all his opponents.
Jack Dawkins says
Ibrahim the idiot is a Boku Harlam jiihadist with his own harem of female sex slaves.
boakai ngombu says
i’ve been there long enough to know the plight of the professional sex workers … allowed by the government. despicable, yes.
corruption and influences upon the society, especially SHARIA, have brought on grave conditions; people have been made destitute. wrong, yes.
you have no solution to that for the society as a whole itace.
oh, itace, there’s a whole lot of “women business” interrupting otherwise nonproductive lives of the brothers at the mosque (yours? perhaps) seems when the LEADER goes to Lagos or Abuja or anywhere else, the girls will play. fines by the “informal” courts vary, depending upon the sex of the issue and the value of alliance that can be formed. shady and wicked, itace.
esther says
who told you that, itace——the imam pimp at your mosque?
walter says
since when do animals have wives ?
gravenimage says
Muslims believe that monkeys stoned a female monkey guilty of having sex outside marriage to death.
Muslims are apparently too ignorant to know that animals to not practice marriage.
Carolyne says
Yabba, dabba, yabba, yabba, yabba, dabba, dab said the monkey to the chimp,
Yabba, dabba dabba (etc) said the chimpy to the monk.………..
And the big baboon by the light of the moon, married them and very soon,
They went off on a yabba, dabba honeymoon.
And she took up with a gorilla and was stoned to death
gravenimage says
The vile Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
There is a distinction between criticism and lies. Nureddin yildiz was just mocking and making caricature of Islam, not raising real issues on the ground.
………………………….
Yeah–because how could saying anything negative about *wife beating* possibly be a valid point? Certainly, it is not for the vicious Ibrahim itace muhammed.
More:
Islam never mistreats women. women are part of the society as mothers, sisters and wives.
………………………….
That the foul Ibrahim itace muhammed does not consider FGM, child marriage, forced marriage, polygamy, wife beating, summary divorce for men only, “Honor Killing”, rape, sex slavery, and stoning to death to be mistreatment, we see how pious Muslims actually regard women. *Ugh*.
Several of these horrors–child rape and the rape and keeping of sex slaves–are things that Ibrahim itace muhammed has specifially *lauded*. *Horrifying*.
More:
There must be a leader in the family Who shall be the husband. It is unnatural for wife to be leader even among animals. Let the mithraist Christians have families with wives as heads for them not be accused of mistreating women, we less concern .
………………………….
What crap. Pious Muslims are incapable of conceiving of equality–that one spouse need not beat the other one, but that things can be worked out between adults who respect each other. But he cannot–if men are not terrorising their wives, then he assumes that wives are doing the same to their husbands.
He considers love and caring between husband and wife to be “unnatural”, as well.
And of course, he is wrong about animals, as well, which have a whole spectrum of behaviors. The idea that all male animals terrorize and murder females just shows both his ignorance and his sick view of the world. *Ugh*.
boakai ngombu says
graven,
itace’s concept of leadership is: obey or else. the leader of the family arrogates all authority to himself because he (like the allah god of islam – unknowable; the best of all deceivers) seeks vengeance, not understanding. that’s just the way it is around islamophrenics.
itace has no example of patience, forgiveness, reconciliation, to imitatie. slaves (Muslims) of the allah god follow their exemplar, muhammad (lately contrived; full of lusts; having no compassion). the writings depicting his life indicate an islamomaniac.
your earlier reference to Eph 5:22-31 is very meaningful and could assist this person …
in the meantime, i found that in the bush, women have tremendous power because they control the poisons. first wife dominates the other wives who hold and administer them at her command. AND women (wives) often used the threat to divulge the husband’s secrets. perhaps itace has already learned that CONTROL has limits.
gravenimage says
True, boakai ngombu. And thanks for your contributions here–I always look for your posts.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Mediteraneans and especially Muslims like to enter into polemic, they often do not believe a word they just said. Be careful when you get into arguments about religion, they could talk utter rubbish to destabilize people.
gravenimage says
Lavéritétriomphera, Muslims like Ibrahim itace muhammed lie constantly.
Lavéritétriomphera says
They lie to the point of not knowing what’s fact and what’s fiction.
Save Europe says
Interesting to note that you did NOT say that both a husband and wife cannot be equal leaders in a family, and I’m not female.
gravenimage says
+1
ronald says
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/women-worth-less.aspx
gravenimage says
Thanks for the link, Ronald.
Granddaddy says
“Islam never mistreats women”? The Quran says very plainly, “Beat them.” How do you get “Islam never mistreats women” out of that?
Carol (the 1st) says
Maybe someone like Ibrahim is more closely related to a chimpanzee than say to a bonobo? Bonobos are FEMALE dominant and newer studies seem to reveal that they may actually be more closely linked to humans than are MALE dominant chimpanzees. The article below might seem a little “lurid” but the last sentence sums up the theory it proposes:
“In the end, perhaps the most successful reconstruction of our past will be based not on chimpanzees or even on bonobos but on a three-way comparison of chimpanzees, bonobos and humans.”
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/bonobo-sex-and-society-2006-06/
Timothy says
Guess what Erdogan, it is are right to do much more than be a critic of your religion. It is a must for all non-Muslims to crush Islamic supremacism.
CRUSADER says
MURDERON wants to become another ATATURK and UTHMAN all at the same time!!!
If he wants that lofty seat (toilet throne), he has to learn what to do: Life is Short, so hop to it!!!
————————————————————————————————————–
Turkey’s Kemal Ataturk Had an Entire Menagerie Called Abdul…
(BY PATRICK NON-WHITE)
That’s a line from an old Monty Python skit. Repeating it will not land you in prison.
But suggesting in academic debate that Ataturk was not a progressive will. It will get you a fifteen month suspended sentence in a Turkish prison. Think “Midnight Express”.
(OH! those wondrous Turkish Prisons! Just ask T.E. Lawrence! Anus baths are the best!)
Now, the law under which Dr. Atilla Yayla was convicted is not the same as the more famous crime of “Insulting Turkishness,” which the European Union uses as an excuse not to admit Turkey to member status even as it imports thousands of Turkish guest workers to provide it with cheap labor.
It’s a specific prohibition on insult to the founder of the Turkish State, who has been dead for seventy plus years. The American equivalent would be a jail sentence for suggesting that the Potomac River is so broad that, in fact, George Washington could not possibly have thrown a silver dollar across it.
I write about this because, while it’s easy to laugh from across the pond at the barbarous Turks and their uncivilized laws, America is in some ways committed to open immigration, both legal and illegal.
And while that’s a good thing in many respects, in taking in people of other cultures, we also take in their beliefs, many of which are at odds with our own, particularly on the value of unrestrained speech and debate. Turkey is, compared to much of the rest of the world, a beacon of liberalism.
Considering that every legal immigrant has a chance at citizenship (and depending on who wins the Presidential election, many illegals may as well) it doesn’t take a Cassandra to see that we’re in for some interesting times down the road with an electorate that may become, as much as the homegrown variety that sponsors flag-burning amendments and speech codes, hostile to the idea of open debate.
This is of particular concern in an era of identity politics and multiculturalism which, for all their merits, do no encourage immigrants to assimilate American cultural or political values.
Oh, and since I can say it, Kemal Ataturk was guilty of genocide.
https://www.popehat.com/2008/01/29/kemal-ataturk-had-an-entire-menagerie-called-abdul/
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Now for something completely different:
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“Kemal Ataturk – The Man”, book foreword by Paul Anka
who had an entire menagerie called Abdul….(video minute marker 3:30)
Monty Python — “Fish License” (“Cat Detector Van”) skit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5MnyRZLd8A
This is what to expect as maddening Muslim populations grow to agitate
and overwhelm our civil services and licensing departments….
Oh! What a future to look forward to…just ask Sweden and the UK.
Gjallarhornet says
For his own sake, Erdogan had better croak before he is ripe for the nursing home. Because the person that would wipe Erdogan’s ass voluntarily can not possibly exist. Not for a million dollars would somebody take on such a job. Since he seems to be the most evil and vile man around these days.
Sorry for a lack of respect of Erdogan ..
Well, come to think of it …. Not really sorry, no.
No Fear says
Erdogan + goats = true love
CRUSADER says
I’m envisioning this image:
BAPHOMET !!!
https://ultraculture.org/blog/2016/02/08/baphomet-sabbatic-goat/
No Fear says
🙂
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Leftruinigcanada, but in réality christians use violence against women even in the West. In Nigeria and in my original home country, christians are more violent to women than Muslims. In Nigeria, christians treat women like chartels or donkeys that can be hit. That is why Nigerian Christian ladies prefer to marry a muslim for good treatment.
Note:As ï stated in my previous comments, a husband cannot béat his wife at Will.there are strigent conditions that makes such resort to beating very hard, and prophet muhammad advised Muslims to exercise restrain in losing their temper up to the extent of beating their lovely wives.
CRUSADER says
Mr Irritates:
Despite your inclinations and proclivities, I wish you a pleasant death,
as had occurred to this great spiritual man. But it’ll mean you will have
to convert to a True Religion to find such peace!!!! May CHRIST bless you…
Orthodox Christian Monk – Final Moments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OePqt2xXJYk
Orthodox Christian Elder Euphimye of the Mount Athos at his final hours. (1915-2004)
> May we all go out so peacefully….and old….ready to drop the mortal coil, as a tight shoe.
+++++++++
DEUS VULT
+++++++++
Norger says
Well that completely changes my opinion. I didn’t know that there were such strict rules around when Muslims are allowed to beat their “lovely wives.” If that’s the case, I’m totally fine with wife beating. Are there strict rules around child rape as well?
CRUSADER says
NAUGHTY!!!
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Norger ,what are church rules for churchmen to have anus and vaginal sex with Kids under their care ?
6woods says
Hey Ibby – the – Idiot, there are laws against rape in the West. These clergy go to jail for a long time, and are reviled by the rest of society.
In islam, child rape is normal and celebrated; there are no laws against it. Your filthy swine of a prophet did it, so you muzzies have zero problem with rape of children or anyone else. Take your hypocritical outrage and shove it up your ass.
Norger says
Mr. Muhammed I make no excuses for pedophiles, whatever religion. (I am an atheist, by the way). But the subject here is Islam. One of my many issues with Islam is that Muhammed married a 6 year old girl and that his conduct is considered normative, if not ideal, in the Islamic world. Again, I’m not Christian, but Christian theology does not justify pedophilia. Islam does.
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed has made the ludicrous claim many times before that the Bible instructs Christian clerics to rape children. Of course, there are no such verses.
Save Europe says
Yet it’s illegal in Western countries, but permitted in so many Muslim countries – because WE actually have morals and normal boundaries, you fool!
Carol (the 1st) says
@6woods…ibrahim is not outraged, he’s just smearing S^#t around his cage for the fun of it. You expect something different?
LeftisruiningCanada says
Yes, i’m sure that Christians do beat their wives, even without encouragement from their role model, Jesus.
Imagine how much more regularly muslims beat their wives, having a role model like mohammad and an entire law which ignores complaints from women while blaming them for the abuse they receive.
The point you seem to miss is that there NO circumstances where it is OK for Christians to beat their wives. NONE. It’s never recommended as a way to solve problems. EVER.
If Christians do beat their wives, it is ALWAYS WRONG and against everything Christ and the NT stand for.
Is this getting through to you?
JawsV says
“Is this getting through to you?”
There’s no getting through to morons and sociopaths. So, you’re wasting your time. This Muslim you’re trying to get through to is hopeless. A moron and a sociopath.
LeftisruiningCanada says
The Lord can turn even the most hateful and filthy scum, JawsV. I should know.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Leftruinigcanada, Jesus was reported to have met wives being beatened, but raised no objection. was that not an endorsement of what was done pursuant to OT ? There is no where in the NT where It is explicitly stated that husbands shall not béat their wives if they misbehave.
LeftisruiningCanada says
“Jesus was reported to have met wives being beatened, but raised no objection.”
You made that up. You are clutching at straws, muslim. Where is it “reported”?
“was that not an endorsement of what was done pursuant to OT ? ”
“Pursuant” to what exactly? Show me.
“There is no where in the NT where It is explicitly stated that husbands shall not béat their wives if they misbehave.”
Typical muslim thinking. You need an injunction to restrain your cowardly vicious nature. How vile.
Can you show me where Jesus can be seen to beat up women?
No, and yet you have the example of mohammad to follow.
If your seared conscience bothers you not, i suppose you will feel free to beat your wife. It will make you just like your idol. A dishonorable coward.
Meanwhile, the civilized world will carry on without you, and all your brothers.
Lydia Church says
I’m done reading your comments as I have given up on you ever waking up to reality.
But I see other’s replies to you and sort of decipher what is going on so all I will say is this:
Why don’t you stop talking, go home, and give your own wife a good licking!
Oh wait…. you can’t. I just remembered why.
(Pun intended: Sometimes they refer to a good beating as a good ‘lickin,’ a very different experience in your pagan religion I imagine than in ours where your women only get the beatings and sex slave existences! If you decide to educate yourself and put that area of yourself to good use for a change as well, which we all can see you have a lot of stamina in… then go read the Song of Solomon in the Bible. But don’t look for any beatings anywhere in the Bible for wives, because that you won’t find in there!) (Make yourself useful instead of continuing your endless and mindless mutterings and ramblings on this site, which we have pretty much tuned out!)
Norger says
@leftisruiningcanada
“There is no where in the NT where It is explicitly stated that husbands shall not béat their wives if they misbehave.” When people are cornered they will say desperate things.
I will give Mr. Muhammed the benefit of the doubt and assume that he’s trying to justify Islamic theology rather than revealing a personal character defect. He knows and acknowledges that Islam justifies the physical abuse of women and is trying desperately to find some sort of moral equivalence in Christianity in terms of modern day treatment of women. Imagine the severely negative impact that Islam has on the future quality of life for a baby girl born today in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Iran, Pakistan, Yemen etc. No other religion is comparably misogynistic. None. Islam= The Real War on Women.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Yes Norger, you put it more nicely than i managed, thank you 🙂
gravenimage says
The vile Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Leftruinigcanada, Jesus was reported to have met wives being beatened, but raised no objection. was that not an endorsement of what was done pursuant to OT ?
…………………………..
What utter crap. There is nothing in the Bible about Jesus meeting beaten women and condoning it–there is no mention of his meeting beaten wives at all.
There is not even anything in the Qur’an or other texts of Islam about the Muslim “Jesus”–really, “Isa”–condoning wife beating. The Islamic texts leave this to the Qur’an and the “Prophet” himself.
More:
There is no where in the NT where It is explicitly stated that husbands shall not béat their wives if they misbehave.
…………………………..
To take this as supposed proof that this means that the Bible condones wifebeating is ludicrous. The Bible so does not say that Christians are not supposed to wage violent Jihad–pretending that this condones their waging violent Jihad is, of course, absurd.
Ibrahim itace muhammed is really grasping at straws here.
CRUSADER says
See, I think ultimately that Mr Irritates is confused.
He sees that LIRC seems to be from Canada.
But LIRC really is from the “Show Me” state of Missouri!
😉
LeftisruiningCanada says
That would be ok 🙂
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Leftruinigcanada, but in réality christians use violence against women even in the West.
…………………………….
There is no culture that is free from violence against women. But there is nothing in the Bible that teaches men to beat women, nor did Jesus ever harm women.
But the Qur’an teaches Muslims to beat their wives, and the “Prophet” himself beat his child bride, Aisha–then taunted her over the abuse being “just”.
Moreover, violence against women–including wives–is *illegal* in the civilized West.
Would that we could say the same about most of the Muslim world.
More:
In Nigeria and in my original home country, christians are more violent to women than Muslims. In Nigeria, christians treat women like chartels or donkeys that can be hit. That is why Nigerian Christian ladies prefer to marry a muslim for good treatment.
…………………………….
Uh huh. Will Ibrahim itace muhammed back this ludicrous assertion up with any proof? Of course not.
He is probably citing the Boko Haram cases where Muslims kidnappped, raped, and forced Christian women and girls to “marry” their abusers. *Ugh*.
And in Nigeria, wife beating is not a crime in northern Nigeria under Shari’ah law. This is *not* the case under civilized law in the Christian and animist south.
More:
Note:As ï stated in my previous comments, a husband cannot béat his wife at Will.there are strigent conditions that makes such resort to beating very hard, and prophet muhammad advised Muslims to exercise restrain in losing their temper up to the extent of beating their lovely wives.
…………………………….
Well, that’s true–in the Qur’an, it makes it quite clear that a Muslim can beat his wife if he so much as *fears* disobedience from her.
Only a pious Muslim like Ibrahim itace muhammed would consider this “stringent conditions”. *Ugh*.
duh swami says
Beat them lightly is a myth…Domestic abuse is a problem, in Islam…
gravenimage says
True, Swami–“lightly” is not in the orignal text at all.
Bob Carrillo says
Using any form of god to justify barbarism is, in and of itself, justifiable This genteleman needs psychiatric help….
JawsV says
Dear Erdogan: Islam sucks.
Have a nice day.
CRUSADER says
God Bless You, JawsV
(I look forward to further sequels.)
Duhdum….duhdum…dumdumdumduhduhdumdum….
JawsV says
Heh! We need a bigger boat! And thank you so much. Same to you, Christ’s blessings.
walter says
He for sure does not look friendly here !
Lesley Ward says
Cant say I have seen a picture of this horrible man where he ever looks “friendly”.
What you see is what you get, a sly, conniving and very ambitious man.
As he once famously said, “Democracy is like a tram, you ride it to your destination and then get off”
christianblood says
Jay Boo
Speak no evil of Erdogan, the leader of Turkey, a US ally a member of Nato.
gravenimage says
Christianblood hopes we will ignore the fact that President Trump himself has been critical of Erdogan and Turkey.
And his implication that Americans are prevented from condemning Turkey and its ugly dictator is of course ridiculous.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Hi CB, hope you are well.
Correct me if i’m wrong, but it seems that perhaps there is an assumption in your statement that everyone in the USA agrees, or must agree, with everything the government says or does.
gravenimage says
True, LeftisruiningCanada.
Roderick MacUalraig says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BNP2y7ELus
ANYONE ELSE SEEN THIS GREATNESS? Tommy Robinson out there trying to save the whole continent.
JawsV says
I watched. Wow. Nothing like this when I was in Rome in the late 1980’s. The comments to the video are really good. When they get here the Muslims consider the land theirs. And we were stupid enough to let them in.
Bev says
At least one of our Founding Fathers, Thomas Jefferson, read the Qoran and understood what a fallacy Islam is.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Goodness, what a video!
That poor female journalist who was attacked, i hope she was alright. Bet that changed her outlook on things.
T Robinson wasn’t such an easy target for the disgusting cowardly blahblahblah invaders.
Definite respect to him and cameraman for heading down there and not being intimidated.
(the 3 minute mark. That connected. Good for him)
Terrible. Truly terrible. Those africans are seriously bad news, make no mistake. Look how they behave. Look how incredibly aggressive they are. (Look how they are dressed – these aren’t poor people).
Bottom line: Anyone who wants more of this kind of person in your country is wishing death upon you. What else can you say? They won’t change, they won’t somehow turn into good neighbors or good citizens, EVER. Incredible. If you wanted an army of wild savages to destabilize a country, you couldn’t do better then these people.
Europe, wake the hell up. They are headed your way. America and Canada too.
Thank you Roderick MacUalraig for posting this brand new video. It is required viewing.
JawsV says
I read in the comments Francesca was rescued by a passing taxi driver. I don’t think she was on their (the “migrants”) side. Just reporting.
Roderick MacUalraig says
I hadn’t heard that bit.
LeftisruiningCanada says
So long as she got away safely it’s all good.
It is a generalization, but i tend to assume a leftish bias in reporters/journalists until proven otherwise.
Roderick MacUalraig says
I figured Robert would post it in the next few days, but I was so excited when I saw it that I had to put it on a thread!
Agreed on all points, also.
Lydia Church says
WE ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO CRITICIZE ISLAM!!!
AND WE WILL AND DO RIGHT HERE AND NOW!
What he is saying also is that people don’t have freedom of speech!
And islam by nature criticizes everyone else, so how hypocritical of him!
Lydia Church says
In fact:
EVERYONE MUST CRITICIZE ISLAM!
Let’s get militant right back!
: D
gravenimage says
Erdogan denounces critic of Sharia mistreatment of women: “Nobody has the right to accuse our religion”
…………………….
“Nobody has the right to accuse our religion”–will we soon see “blasphemy” laws in Turkey? With the rapid re-Islamization of Turkey under Erdogan, this would not surprise me.
And note: Erdogan has no problem with women being beaten under Islam; he just has a problem with anyone saying anything ciritcal about it. This is the norm with Muslim apologists. *Ugh*.
G179 says
He has a point: In a sharia state, nobody has the right to question Islam and its horrendous mores.
… which is why sharia is so dangerous to the future of world, and should be exposed and opposed.
gravenimage says
+1
dutch citizin says
Can somebody help me. In Netherlands and Germany the most Turks vote for Erdogan. Erdogan is brought up learned to hate the west. How dangerous can this become? Do I have to prepare? A few jihad attacks don’t scare me a bit, but if its worse. Can somebody say something intelligent about this?
Lavéritétriomphera says
@dutch citizin,
Ask Angela Merkel, and look at the mess she made in Europe.
gravenimage says
dutch citizin, does this mean that you are now sanguine about Muslims murdering innocent people in Jihad terror attacks in Europe? Very disturbing.
Of course, both violent Jihad and support for brutal Muslim dictators like Erdogan are a threat. All of this is aimed at the imposition of Islam on everyone.
dutch citizin says
No of course not gravenimage. All I want is for me and family to be safe. According to Bozkurt Erdogan is helping getting in jihadis. Also our country has quite a lot of turkish people who are getting brainwashed right now. Even when jihad is called in a mosque of Erdogan left people deny it. In world war two europe was nearly lost because of naive pacifism. I feel very unsafe with this government and the left in power combined with this Islamist.Should I leave Netherlands, learn handling guns for self protection. Wait or what?
strong aingel says
Sumerian loan words MUS = snake; LIM = face/presence; IS = pit; LAM =netherworld/hell .. Seems to me islam does a pretty good job of criticising itself; about the only truthful way it knows.
John says
These 2 verses should Convince the World that islam is a Fabricated LIE .Read the LIES quran 5/46 ,(” And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah (Gospels) as guidance and instruction for the righteous”.) allah sent Jesus the Gospels , What BULLSHIT, Jesus had been DEAD for over 70 years before the Gospels were written . So either allah LIED, muhammad LIED or islam is all but a LIE. So therefore allah and the God of Jesus, Moses and Abraham can never be the same God .quran says allah revealed the 1st 5 books of the torah (Gospels) to Moses . quran also says allah revealed the 5 books of the gospels to jesus . The Gospels were NEVER revealed to Jesus as he was DEAD for over 70 years . So how is it possible for allah if he is the same god to Moses , Abraham and Jesus etc to not know this FACT ?? Because he is a Figment of a Murderous Criminal,s Mind , muhammad. How could the Angel of allah, Gabrielle ,the alleged messenger of muhammad get this so WRONG. Then Also, quran 4:157 (“And [for] their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah .” And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain” .) This states that Jesus was not crucified on the cross or resurrected but the same Gospels allah is supposed to have given a dead Jesus and also Moses states that Jesus Was Crucified on the Cross and resurrected. The quran is a Contradiction of LIES to tell Murders, Pedophiles, SATANIC Worshipers to Invade Civilized People and to take over the WORLD. Jesus was the son of God,( Religious View that islam claims as their true God) muhammad is the DEVIL and all who worship him are EVIL as History Proves where ever islam leaves but a Footprint, Death, Destruction and a loss of Civilization and Humanity always follow
utis says
J’accuse. J’accuse. J’accuse. Anyone with a working brain would.
CogitoErgoSum says
If I were to tell someone to beat Erdogan every night before he went to bed would it be my fault if they used a baseball bat?
Carolyne says
No, not at all.
j_not_a says
Good grief, I am soooo sick of er-WOOF and his useless, pompous, self indulgent, tiresome rantings which are like droppings to be picked up with plastic bags and deposited in the trash bin along with the other doggy-doo. Does anybody important pay attention to this annoying, yammering wannabe?
ConnectingDots says
“Nobody has the right to cause such confusion and caricature our religion as such.”
Hey, Erdogan! BILLIONS OF US have the right to caricature your religion as such!