Erdogan is likely right about most of the members of NATO. But President Trump ought to have “the cheek” to acknowledge the present realities regarding Turkey, end our sham alliance with it, and boot it out of NATO.
“NATO members are not powerful enough to stand up to Turkey – Erdogan,” Ahval, March 10, 2018 (thanks to Joshua):
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, in a speech to crowd in south city of Mersin, slammed fellow NATO members, saying that “if NATO members were strong enough in Syria, they would have stood up to us openly and clearly. But they do not have the cheek, and hence Turkey is standing up.”
A day before, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Çavuşoğlu told a German newspaper that “NATO is our home.” Çavuşoğlu also responded to talk that Turkey no longer fit into the NATO alliance, saying to the same German paper, “We are one of (NATO’s) key allies. This is our strategic choice. Nobody can expel us, it is technically impossible. We will not permit our NATO membership to be questioned.”…
Older Canadian says
Sounds like turkey is becoming a north korean wanabe.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
order canadian, we want Turkey to be harsher than North korea for It to be respected by evil united states. savage mad devil Trump is now calling for négociation with North korea. is that not because of fear of showering Hydrogene nuclear bombs to obliterate all of this evil entity, a cancer to humanity ?
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Indiana Tom says
we want Turkey to be harsher than North korea
I am glad you said that statement, oh Gog.
Richard says
Brilliant! Who, then, is Magog?
Linnte says
Exactly. Maranatha!
And to Richard says, Magog is a human being, the AntiChrist. Turkey has Pergamus, the Seat of Satan. And Magog will sit on that seat/throne. If you don’t know Yeshua/Jesus, please read his word and seek him out! The alliance between Turkey, Russia, Syria and Iran were prophesied in the Bible, and never before in History has that specific alliance happened until now. It is a sign of pre Tribulation before the AntiChrist comes. And before Jesus return to earth.
Phil Copson says
In a word – No.
Carolyne says
I was in Pergamum once. Didn’t see Satan, though.
don vito says
itace, mad devil savage erdogan killing your abdullas. Shouldn’t allah stop him, by your hand? Maybe you should bite the penis of erdogan as quoted from your “holy” books no?
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
order canadian, we want Turkey to be harsher than North korea for It to be respected by evil united states.
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Well, this is just ludicrous. Does Ibrahim itace muhammed really believe that Americans *respect* North Korea? We know that it is a god-forsaken, oppressive poverty-striken hell hole that cannot even feed itself, whose citizens are so desperate for any kind of freedom that they are willing to risk their lives to *escape to Communist China*–this is the very definition of desperation.
Americans regularly make fun of Kim Jong Un–no one respects this tin pot hitler.
But this opens up a glimpse into the Muslim mindset, that Ibrahim itace muhammed conflates inspiring fear (or so he hopes) with inspiring respect. What a tool.
More:
savage mad devil Trump is now calling for négociation with North korea. is that not because of fear of showering Hydrogene nuclear bombs to obliterate all of this evil entity, a cancer to humanity ?
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Just hilarious–Ibrahim itace muhammed has this *entirely backwards*. It ws Trump who for the first time in a long time didn’t cave to North Korea’s threats, and now it is North Korea asking for negotiations:
“North Korea Asks for Direct Nuclear Talks, and Trump Agrees”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/08/us/politics/north-korea-kim-jong-un-trump.html
mortimer says
Agree with GI. Ibrahim takes the Koran as the literal words of a vicious deity, when it is only the epileptic fits of a vicious, sick man, Mohammed.
Here’s the point: RESPECT IS EARNED by GOOD, NOBLE, DECENT, HONORABLE BEHAVIOR. Some individual Mohammedans may behave with great humanity and honor, but that is IN SPITE of the fact that they are Mohammedans and BECAUSE they refuse to imitate Mohammed… a bona fide PSYCHOPATH.
Ibraham clearly thinks that ‘godliness’ means to act like a VICIOUS SOCIOPATH.
That is the ISLAMIC MINDSET… hatred and rage.
mortimer says
Ibrahim, DO YOU ACT LIKE MOHAMMED? Do you commit VIOLENT DEEDS EVERY THREE WEEKS? Why not? Are you a lax, HYPOCRITICAL Mohammedan?
Ibrahim, WHY ARE YOU AVOIDING JIHAD? Wish to die if you are truthful!
Linnte says
Boom! hahahahah! Well said Mortimer.
LeftisruiningCanada says
NK is ‘respected’ in the same way that a man waving a knife around while foaming at the mouth is ‘respected’.
Everyone with any sense is calmly waiting for the first safe chance to drop him.
BC says
Erdogan is a reincarnation of Hitler, threatening his neighbours with territorial claims, Imprisoning his political opponents real and imagined without trial, Shutting down news outlets and imprisoning any journalists who criticise him. He also uses Hitler’s tactic of inciting Germans permitted to live in other countries to resist integration and claim their ‘rights’ What great role models you have. Nazi Germany and North Korea.
Rob says
I laugh every time I read your posts. Pure comedy!
Bev says
Evidently English is not your first language. So why don’t you take your troll butt over to Huffpo or some other ignorant of islam site and spew your lies there. You are pathetic right along with your schizophrenic totalitarian ideology. When you’re not on your knees praying to kill the kuffar, you’re out busy trying to please the voices in the head of a madman.
J D S says
Ibrahim…did you mean for us to “order canadian” well I will place my orders In America I don’t need to order from canada.
Kind of confusing…but so are you…you need to find some way to evaporate…you are just bowing smoke anyway
LeftisruiningCanada says
He was just letting us know what kind of house slave he was going to order in from the catalog.
Billy Chickens says
islam is the anti-Christ.
Vlad says
Watch this Ibrahim, but engage your remaining 2 brain cells first.
If you cannot see how wrong and terrible your so-called “religion” is then you really have no right to be breathing/stealing our oxygen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9ZSII3qADI
CRUSADER says
AMAZING !
christianblood says
Older Canadian
Let us give this story in its right context: Turkey, which is a part of the US-led Nato made a deal with Russia last year to buy Russia’s S-400 service to air missiles, this deeply annoyed US and some of its Nato allies and recently US threatened to sanction Turkey if they finalize the deal with Russia and buy the Russian made S-400 missiles and this (rightly) outraged Turkish leaders. Please read the whole story on the link below:
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201803101062398398-turkey-us-sanctions-cavusoglu/
gravenimage says
Now that Russia is cozying up to Turkey Christianblood seems to be defending this appalling Islamic state.
christianblood says
gravenimage
Not defending, I am only stating the facts in their own context. What is wrong with that?
The Turkish FM just said,”US won’t even sell us rifles’: Turkey’s FM also explains purchase of Russian S-400 air-defense systems”. US and Nato are mad a Turkey for buying Russian missiles and Turkey is (rightly) outraged at this. More below:
https://www.rt.com/news/420955-turkey-explains-s400-russia/
christianblood says
gravenimage posted
(…Now that Russia is cozying up to Turkey Christianblood seems to be defending this appalling Islamic state…)
Just as the Saudi Arabia is a US ally, this is ‘appalling Islamic state’ Turkey, is too a US ally and a member of Nato. Get over it cause you can’t have it both ways! Watch:
https://heavy.com/news/2017/05/trump-bows-to-saudi-king-photos-video-bowed-bowing-obama/
Prebanian says
Turkey has the goal of getting all the countries of the Organization of Islamic Counties (OIC) into a war with the West. He wants to provoke this war to re-establish Turkey as Islam’s Caliphate.
Richard says
A lot of those countries who were under Turkish rule before remember what it was like and the atrocities the Turks wrought on their own Islamic subjects. One Turk recently referred to Arabs as” animals”.
epistemology says
That’s the problem Erdogaga wants a new Turkish caliphate. Robert is absolutely right Turkey has to be kicked out off NATO and out off the European council. Turkey can’t be part of Europe the Ottomans always wanted to dominate us.
I hope the American politicians will understand that American bases in Turkey aren’t that important, America can do without them and NATO will be a better organization without Turkey.
Wellington says
Seconded, my friend.
gravenimage says
+1
LeftisruiningCanada says
USA bases could move to Israel.
There is an opening for business towards the end of May, just after the new embassy in Jerusalem opens.
Risto Kantonen says
In light of the Turkey’s continuing actions, this article is becoming more and more relevant: https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2017-11/news/us-nuclear-weapons-turkey-raise-alarm
I wrote the same thing on Jihad Watch’s post of this article on Facebook, but it was marked as spam.
gravenimage says
Thanks for the link, Risto.
RichardL says
Trump will act. It is way too obvious that Turkey is the enemy.
CRUSADER says
Ataturk as LURCH would arise from the grave and say: “YOU RANG?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPMKlEwrIs8
Carolyne says
I didn’t know John Kerrey was in movies.
CRUSADER says
I attended the DNC Convention in 2004 dressed up as Frankenstein in honor of Kerry!!!!
Whereupon I ironically met the thin, lanky, purple lipped Obama, at a nearby park….
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
He’s got the cudgel to take on Europe with assets like the advanced weaponry sold to Turkey by the U.S., the economic inter-dependencies got by membership, the growing alignments with Russia and Iran, and the permanent threat of opening the flood gates again. It could be that the Ottoman is coming back from the dead. Ataturk must be rolling in his grave.
Westman says
“…the Ottoman is coming back from the dead…”
As a doppelganger with manic fantasies and a pronounced lurch.
Sam says
We need to get all nuclear weaponry out of Turkey now. Turkey has not been any use to US for a long time. In fact I don’t see the benefit of NATO to us Americans other than financing their military.
Just cut aid to Turkey and help Israel which is the only friend of US in the middle east anyhow.
Savvy Kafir says
I agree. Israel is the only country in that part of the world that we should be aiding in any way. And having nukes in Turkey is nuts.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Sam.
Jacqueline says
I agree Sam, except we need to cut off the foreign aid to everybody except our proven friends. That would save the U.S. billions and help reduce the 21 TRILLION dollar deficit. For decades our foreign aid has subsidized governments who hate and despise us.
CRUSADER says
MURDERGON needs to speak softly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paMulmvrlbc
Peter says
Time for a wall along Europe’s land border with Turkey!
Eur says
Turkey should be divided into at least three parts. Kurdistan, secular Turkey where Islam would be banned and the largest part … the Islamic Republic of Turkey. The secular zone could enter the European Union and the Islamic Republic should be isolated and permanently threatened by Western nuclear missiles. All the Turks living in Germany The Netherlands … should choose, renounce Islam or go to the Turkish Islamic Republic. Something similar should be done with the Magrebies Muslims living in Europe. All of them should choose, stay and mix in a secular and democratic Europe … or return to their Islamic infected well where they could wipe their asses with their hands without anyone looking at them badly.
The Europeans should say enough to this Muslim invasion. Muslims are vague by nature do not contribute anything of value to society.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Eur, so you want the same church decree “convert to christianity or be killed or leave “issued to Muslims and Jews in spain be applied to Turks in Europe ? This is exactly how mithraist christianity spread, but Apologist liars now telling us that filthy christianity is peacefu, no religious war no persecutions. Idiots !!
don vito says
itace, Constatinople back to Greece and the West. Kufr Power.
epistemology says
Eur is absolutely right a very good idea and you ibrahim are a moron, an idiot, a fool like all moon idol, worshipers.
Indiana Tom says
The secular zone could enter the European Union and the Islamic Republic should be isolated and permanently threatened by Western nuclear missiles.
Actually, had the Greek Army did better in the 1919 war, this might have become a reality.
The Greek campaign was launched primarily because the western Allies, particularly British Prime Minister David Lloyd George, had promised Greece territorial gains at the expense of the Ottoman Empire, recently defeated in World War I. The armed conflict started when the Greek forces landed in Smyrna (now Izmir), on 15 May 1919. They advanced inland and took control of the western and northwestern part of Anatolia, including the cities of Manisa, Balıkesir, Aydın, Kütahya, Bursa and Eskişehir. Their advance was checked at the Battle of Sakarya in 1921 by forces of the Turkish national movement. The Greek front collapsed with the Turkish counter-attack in August 1922, and the war effectively ended with the recapture of Smyrna by the Turkish forces and the Great Fire of Smyrna.
As a result, the Greek government accepted the demands of the Turkish national movement and returned to its pre-war borders, thus leaving East Thrace and Western Anatolia to Turkey.
Manos says
The Greeks were sold out by the western alliance, it wanted the Greek forces to go to Smyrna instead of constanopile , also the western alliance failed to provide naval support. If France and the U.K, did provide naval support to Greece, all Turks would have gone back to Mongolia.
gravenimage says
Actually, I doubt that Greece ever could have held Turkey. By this time, Muslim Turks had wiped out almost the entire surviving Christian population of Turkey.
I realize the Greeks were trying to protect the remaining Greek population of Turkey, but it was probably already too late at that point.
nicu says
The Hitler from Bosporus : megalomaniac and always a Salafi !
duh swami says
I think Tayip has dreams of bringing back the Ottoman Empire with himself as chief honcho…He may be tough, but is he tough enough?
CRUSADER says
Does he have enough buy-in outside of Turkish borders….that’s the question….
If not, it’ll be a little empire for MURDERGON….until he is gone…..
Then the cycle of power hunger starts all over again.
Foolish Fig that he is!
Victoria C. Howard says
We should err on the side of prudence and remove our nukes.
gravenimage says
+1
Thelastvirgingoat says
No just detonate them.
Gjallarhornet says
What’s that he is holding in front of him? A thigh bone, so called *femur bone*, isn’t it?
So, guess he has eaten somebody now, and goes around bragging about it. No surprise there.
CogitoErgoSum says
Could be what he uses to beat his wife.
Gjallarhornet says
Maybe … And maybe that is the bat for wife number four …
CogitoErgoSum says
………. made from the femur of wife number three …. Who says Islam can’t be fun?
Gjallarhornet says
And is that a stadium he is in? My guess that this is Erdogan preparing for a public beating of his wife (number three or four, I think) with his favourite bat – a femur, from a slayed infidel or kurd. This is to show the world how sharia is to be melted out, and money to be handed over to him quickly for this.
Anyone who does not applause is an islamophobic.
CogitoErgoSum says
You know, that could very well be a new Olympic event one of these days once people come to realize how much fun it could be for the spectator as well as the participants.
I think it was Khomeini who stated that there is no fun in Islam but I’ve heard that this sentiment evolved from an old saying that actually goes back to the days of Muhammad. It went something like “Nothing is funny when you’ve got a femur up your arse.” I don’t think it was Muhammad who coined the phrase but it was a common remark used quite often by the people who were around Muhammad on a daily basis.
Now, I’m just saying and I could be wrong about all that ….. just as I could be wrong about how popular such an event would be with sports fans …. but who knows?
Indiana Tom says
“We are one of (NATO’s) key allies.
With allies like this, who needs enemies?
BTW, Gog and Magog are in Turkey, not Russia,
Manos says
Just release Ratko Miladic, re arm to the teeth and finance the Bosnian Serbs, they will Finnish of all Islamic scum.
Raja says
Lots of strength or power maniacs had to bite the dust. Prime among them was Hitler and his legacy is long since dead. Erdogan is itching to be on the list of infamous people like his prophet. They are ALL bullies, will be destroyed by God appointed time.
Doubt Turkey was ever a secular nation. May she experimented with secularism due to the political exigency of its time being the sick man of Europe.
gravenimage says
Erdogan: NATO members not “strong enough” and “do not have the cheek” to stand up to Turkey
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Wow–now Erdogan is just openly taunting NATO. How can we continue to pretend Turkey is an ally?
Sarah says
OK, so someone here correct me if I’m wrong because cold war geopolitical arrangements aren’t my strongest suit.
NATO was originally, an alliance created by a bunch of Northern Hemisphere, Western nations to combine together and resist the big bad Soviet Union, post WW2, right? The whole idea was to make sure that the Soviet’s didn’t roll through Europe and risk Northern America with invasion and more warring, right?
And the only reason why Turkey was ever added was that strategically speaking, Turkey offered a great location, geographically speaking, for easy military mobilization into the European continent – should the Soviet’s decision to roll out the tanks and invade Europe, right?
Their sole contribution was and still is – ‘hey, we are situated in a great spot on the map that allows easy access into Europe – and the Middle East’. And this was back in the late 40’s and early 50’s when military mobilization and general travel technology and capabilities were considerably more primitive to what we have today?
So why is Turkey still in NATO? They’re not needed. Sure it may be a little inconvenient if you need to mobilize armed forces from overseas to thunder into Europe or the Middle East, but it’s not like kicking Turkey out of NATO will somehow mean it is now impossible to mobilize.
Hell, if NATO wants a convenient entry point into the Middle East from which to base themselves from, then go to bloody Israel! They’re the only real ally in the entire region anyway. Far more advanced, equipped and capable then literally every single other nation in the entire region, as well.
As for a convenient location for Europe mobilization, let’s see. There’s Portugal, Spain, Germany, France, the UK, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland – hell Iceland would even offer a good starting base to send in troops from which to kick off protection for the European state’s in NATO. It’s not like they’re suffering with few options.
Turkey is going to slide backwards into a turn-of-the-last-century savage cesspit. It won’t take long, because it had only just started crawling out of that Ottoman cesspit in the last few decades. It has no value to the West. And by keeping it in NATO, allows that bully, Erdogan, to hold the NATO member state’s hostage to his savage whims.
gravenimage says
Good points.
Sarah says
Thanks, Graven. 🙂
I missed my calling as a Diplomat ha ha
LeftisruiningCanada says
I wonder if Georgia has even been considered as a possible location for Western military bases.
Moving stuff there would a great way to annoy pretty much everybody, but i doubt Georgia would get invaded again.
Eric jones says
With the sea launched and air launched standoff weapons we have today Turkey is no longer a strategic location. NATO mobilization can be done from Germany and Greece. Any military and intelligence assets we have in Turkey should be moved to Greece. No Turkey should no longer be in NATO because of the Islamist actions it has taken recently.
Erdogan is just another insane evil man with a mustache.
Eric
CRUSADER says
Turkey in Russia’s underbelly.
That was the concept.
Infidel says
This fellow is even more mad than that insane IDI AMIN… Just imagine if Turkey was indeed a superpower?? The whole world would have been wiped out by this beast..
Infidel says
As I have said earlier on this forum: Edrogan is VILE ISLAMIC CREATURE who would not hesitate to plunge a knife in the back of the next UNSUSPECTING non-Muslim standing next to him, if given half a chance and also if he could get away with an evil grin and cover it up. And of course he would then consider this as his good deed for the day and for Allah
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
https://www.rt.com/news/420956-turkey-nato-erdogan-syria/
londo says
And when the pendulum swings to the other side, we will teach Erdogan, not only that there are real men in Europe but also that these men want the occupied Christian lands back. He should know that this is not a win-win for Turkey. At best, it’s a win-lose.
Linnte says
YES!
LeftisruiningCanada says
With a big enough boot, it would be easily possible to kick both of his cheeks at the same time, and hard enough to eject him from more than just NATO.
ploome says
https://www.memri.org/reports/turkish-newspaper-close-president-erdogan-calls-form-joint-islamic-army-fight-israel
and USA is wary of N. Korea???