Timmermans is right: Islam is a part of European history, is certainly a part of its present, and most assuredly will be in its future. In my forthcoming book The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS (which you can preorder here), I detail how the Islamic jihadis first attacked Europe in the seventh century, as Islam itself was coming into being, and continued to harass and terrorize Europeans for centuries thereafter. If Timmermans and other European leaders knew the history of the jihad against Europe (and elsewhere) that I detail in the book, they might not be so sanguine about Islam’s presence on the continent.
On the other hand, maybe they do know this history, and know what’s coming, and just don’t care, as long as their “diversity” imperative stays on track. But those are the only two choices. Timmermans and other members of the European political elite are either suicidally ignorant, or treasonous beyond measure.
“EU: Islam is part of our history, present, future,” Kuwait News Agency, March 30, 2018:
European Commission First Vice-President Frans Timmermans chaired a roundtable Wednesday with ten European imams hailing from six EU Member States (Belgium, Bulgaria, France, Germany, Italy and The Netherlands)….
Timmermans said in press statements after the meeting that “the Commission is strongly committed to promoting diversity in Europe. Islam is part of our history, Islam is part of our present and Islam will be part of our future.”
“The way we help our citizens – whatever their background may be – to embrace the diversity that is a reality in European societies is going to determine much of our collective future,” he said.
The meeting was an occasion to commence an open and deeper dialogue with Muslim communities on a number of issues of common interest and concern including, the role and training of imams, the discrimination faced by Muslims, the role of education, religious freedom, the threat of right-wing and “Islamist extremism” and the challenges and opportunities posed by migration, he noted.
Timmermans indicated that this would be the commencement of an ongoing dialogue, which he intends to develop and to foster with Muslim leaders and civil society going forward.
DogOnPorch says
Yeah…Islam has been invading Europe since the Middle Ages trying to destroy it. Where’s Charles Martel when you need him?
Gart says
Charles Martel, also known as the ‘The Hammer’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo
Andy says
Where is the international outrage from the EU?
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Where-is-the-international-outrage-547273
christianblood says
(..EU top dog: “Islam is part of our history, Islam is part of our present and Islam will be part of our future..)
He should have added:
(And in a few decades Islam will indeed be taking over of our EU countries and islamic Sharee’a rule will be the law of the land).
Every day, all around the globe, the satanic Western political and cultural establishment elites are favoring and supporting islam and its fanatical homicidal followers while ignoring and ridiculing the true victims of the global islamic jihad.
roger woodhouse says
Islam has played only a minor part in our (English )history ,the crusades in wbich our people were recruited to travel to the holy land to free it from the muslim hordes.With some sucess.The Ottoman empire eas crushed during and just after the 1st world war.Since then very little was heard of it..In fact I would venture to suggest that few in the West had even heard of ‘Islam’ before 9/11.The Europeans have now come face to face with this evil cult without ever being asked.The powers behind this invasion will pay in blood for their instigation of this crime.
Andy says
EU top dog: Do you hate your European Culture so much that you want to destroy it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UK4s-FR2iA
gravenimage says
Christianblood has said before how much he looks forward to Muslims taking over the West.
Andy says
Strange Things Happen To European Countries Resisting George Soros Assault – Migrant Crisis Europe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfOYoiJujRo
JM says
To Andy
Thank you as well for the warm welcome. I think that thoughtful and incisive reader comments on Robert Spencer’s excellent articles have a greater impact than it might seem on the surface.
Butterfly effect.
Warm regards
mortimer says
Part of European History
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP16DwOQcBE
mortimer says
MUSLIM ATTACKS ON EUROPE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuxqXjhl13Y
DFD says
nice link, thanks mort.
Chantal says
Why does Timmermanss likes wars and hate so much. He sounds proud to imply that wars and hate will continue. If everyone was christians, it would be paradise on earth. No more slavery, no more adultery, no more polygamy and cheating, no more FGM, no more jihads and jihadists, no more wars. Muslims are just looking at perverting the good. The evilest cult on earth!
gravenimage says
Christians are not perfect people. But if the world were Christian rather than threatened by the horrors of Islam, it would be a much, much better place.
leo says
Timmermans is a devil in sheepsclothes
Lydia Church says
Right.
The history is called THE CRUSADES in defense of the invasion of islam; part 1.
J D S says
“political elite are SUICIDALLY IGNORANT OR TREASONOUS BEYOND MEASURE”
This statement could fit most leaders in the west who have succumbed to the present Islamic take over of their countries…
Ramon says
Islam will have diversity within itself. But it will not accept diversoty from outside forces.
What surprises me about European policy makers is why is it bending over backwards to enforce diversity but for only one particular religious sect? Islam is not a race of people.
Would the same be said of improvished Buddhist from Sri Lanka or Catholics from the Philippines?
Andy says
Can we talk about Islam without being accused of a hate crime!
Stop being Politically Correct!
The TRUTH about “grooming gangs”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsI0GD0WKZc
Andy says
EU top dog: “Islam is part of our history, Islam is part of our present and Islam will be part of our future”
Irish Government Embraces Mass Immigration | Ireland 2040
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX3s6lxUeRc
Michael Copeland says
See
“A Million Parasites for Ireland”
“The Crushing of Irish Culture — It Has Been Decided”:
http://gatesofvienna.net/2018/02/a-million-parasites-for-ireland/
http://gatesofvienna.net/2018/03/the-crushing-of-irish-culture-it-has-been-decided/
Andy says
END OF THE EMPIRE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmZ38U-Zgmw
David says
Ireland is a small entity that will be easy to overwhelm; then Wales, then Scotland, then the entirety of England. It is like triffids spreading across the land.
Paul Carr says
Hard to say, David. Muslim population of England and Wales is 6.3% of total population as of 2016. Up from 4.8% in 2011. In the Republic of Ireland, it’s still under 2%.
Paul Carr says
Some of the Republic of Ireland’s population increase will be accounted for by natural population increase.
nick relton says
Could this be another reason why the EU are so intent on having open boarders in Ireland, just a thought.
John Magee says
Alan Shatter is the architect of mass migration into the Republic of Ireland. It seems this is mission in life and his perverted way to say thanks to the Irish people for giving his parents a home after WW II. He was born in Dublin to a Jewish family, Shatter is the son of Elaine and Reuben Shatter, an English (originally from Poland and survivors of the Holocaust) couple who met by chance when they were both on holidays in Ireland in 1947. He was educated at The High School, Dublin and Trinity College, Dublin. In his late teens he worked for two months in Israel on a kibbutz. He has an obsession with changing the demographics of Eire which equally as self loathing, hateful, and racist as Timmerans. Of course Shatter has so far said nothing about Israel getting ready to deport over 40,000 Sub-Saharan African migrants and others from Israel this month. All of Ireland has about the same size population as Israel yet liberal Jews and a Catholic like Timmerans will never lecture Israel about deporting its migrant invaders. Race and DNA matter to Israel and Jews but if indigenous Irish dare mention they are concerned about the DNA of their Celtic ancestor’s and other Europeans in The Republic of Ireland they are Immediately branded as haters and racists. What is frightening about Timmermans is when he says over and over that Europe WILL become multicultural. That is his direct order and warning to all Europeans. Race matters to these people. Timmerans and Shatter along with others like Barbara Spectre are the true racists to and their hatred of Europe is the acceptable bigotry today. Anyone who dares question their motives will be destroyed by the liberal media. The sad irony is the fact European Jewry is sealing its own fate and will be doomed to destruction by the invading Muslim refugee Jihadist armies.
J D S says
I will predict by 2030 the green of Ireland will be blood red.
Hmmmm… Is the IRA still an active organization in Ireland?
John Magee says
Believe it or not former Provisional IRA leader Gerry Adams SUPPORTS the mass migration of Eire. The modern IRA are Marxist scum of the earth.
roger woodhouse says
The police and local authorities were told to ignore these attacks by our government because they were frightened that to do so would upset ‘”community relations’.What was actually meant by that is that action would have to be taken which could be used by organisations calling for the halting of muslim immigration.Fear by our government has led to this outrage.
Walter Sieruk says
Those jihadists /Muslims with their insidious Islamic scheming for the Islamic, subtle and not so subtle, conquest of Europe by every possible means, including the stealth and violent jihad which is, indeed, awful.
As explained by William Wagner in his book HOW ISLAM PLANS TO CHANGE THE WORLD .Which informs the reader n page 195 “Of all the continents of the world, Europe is probably the number one target by Muslim strategist who are seeking world dominance.”
Therefore, the Europeans would be wise to be on guard.
Niemoller says
Add the name Frans Timmermans to the list of EU quislings who have colluded with the bloodthirsty pervert imams to ethnogenocide a continent and destroy once model communities.
May Timmermans and his buddies the pervert imams sit in the same cage on trial for crimes against humanity, the architects of the islamoassault of Europe, the collaborators of mass islamorape and islamocriminality against a continent.
Michael Copeland says
“Europe WILL be diverse!” barked the arrogant Timmermans, “Diversity is humanity’s DESTINY!”.
Timmermans also stresses, “The Europe WE built”.
This is the mindset. It is impenetrable.
SHUALI says
Ignorance, arrogance and fear masquerading as open mindedness.
JM says
To SHUALI
Some people are so open-minded that their brains fall out.
Andy says
I saw a comment by I think it was John Smith, Which said: Liberals love diversity, just not in their neighborhood!
JM says
To Andy
That pretty much sums up the current crop of limousine liberals and champagne socialists plaguing Hollywood. The current Prom King among these smug and pampered elitists is George Clooney, whose nonstop virtue signaling and haranguing of the West to take in ever larger numbers of Muslim migrants belies his own actions.
Clooney dropped his palatial mansion near Lake Como in Italy like a hot potato, after the adjacent public grounds were swarmed by African migrants seeking refuge. He then took took refuge himself in another of his mansions, this one in England, only to soon move back to the US for “safety reasons”.
The word hypocrite is not strong enough to describe George Clooney. Of course, he’s no doubt been brainwashed by his lovely, elegant, polished, Oxford-educated Muslim “human rights” lawyer wife Amal (who has a striking resemblance to Hillary Clinton’s Human Abedin of Muslim Brotherhood fame).
If not for brainwashing, how could poor George have been taken in by the despicable and mendacious Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC)?
To wit, the Clooney Foundation for Justice has just proudly entered into a partnership with the SPLC, to “combat hate groups in the United States”.
Source:
https://cfj.org/
Readers of Jihad Watch are no doubt familiar with the SPLC’s extremely suspect pro-Islamic background, motives, agenda, and methods.
roger woodhouse says
And still our governments refuse to acknowledge the evil intent that is Islam.I call on the British people to attend all the marches planned ahead.Join Tommy Robinson in May at speakers corner and his planned walk into central london.Only by taking to the streets in large enough numbers can we hope to get this government to take real action against this pernicious attack on our freedom.
Michael Copeland says
“Muslims have a long shared history with Britain”, said an imam in a recent pro-Islam propaganda video by Lincolnshire Police in the UK.
indeed. Muslim jihadi slave-takers have “a long shared history” with Britain’s coastal villages.
See “Jihadi Pirates Who Took British Slaves”:
https://libertygb.org.uk/news/jihadi-pirates-who-took-british-slaves
Andy says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEbaRRtL9Ho
England explained – with Tom from Generation Identity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcrkqxxbNhI
revereridesagain says
Looked into the history of Islamic slave-taking and realized that with both coastal Irish and Newfoundland ancestors I might have as good a chance of having slaves in my distant ancestry as some “African-Americans”.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Michael.
revereridesagain says
“Dog” is the right designation for this quisling. Of course, it’s never going to affect HIS life, his Muslim masters will know him as a friend in “dialogue” and exempt him from dhimmitude, won’t they? He can always convert. And if there are daughters and granddaughters involved, well, you know, to make an omelet you have to, um, CUT corners. Or whatever…
There’s a fine old custom of shaving the heads of traitors and marching them through the streets. Not sure how that would play out with someone this close to bald.
Jack Diamond says
First Annual Colloquium on Fundamental Rights
[Official EU Transcript Brussels, 1 October 2015]
First Vice-President Frans Timmermans:
“Diversity is now seen, in some parts of Europe, as a threat. Diversity comes with challenges. But diversity is humanity’s destiny. There is not going to be, even in the remotest places of this planet, a nation that will not see diversity in its future. That’s where humanity is heading. And those politicians trying to sell to their electorates a society that is exclusively composed of people from one culture, are trying to portray a future based on a past that never existed. Therefore that future will never be.
Europe will be diverse, like other parts of the world will be diverse, the only question is how do we deal with that diversity. And my answer to that is by ensuring that our values determine how we deal with diversity and not giving up our values to refuse diversity. That will bring us down as a society. We don’t get this right, I truly believe Europe will not remain the Europe we’ve built, Europe will not remain a place of peace and freedom for very long.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9_VSp3_564&bpctr=1522436258
{note, he was not being ironic in calling Europe a place of peace and freedom}
Also from Timmermans:
“Anti-Muslims incidents are multiplying across Europe. We’re seeing a huge spike of attacks. Verbal insinuations, closed-mindedness, prejudice, discrimination.
The rise of islamophobia is the one of the biggest challenges in Europe. It is a challenge to our vital values, to the core of who we are.
Never has our societies’ capacity for openness, for tolerance, for inclusion been more tested than it is today. Clearer procedures are needed for the effective prosecution and taking down of hate speech on the internet… (to) fight hate speech by working with IT companies, civil society and the media. Hate speech online is considered the main contemporary manifestation of anti-Semitic, anti-Muslim and other racist and xenophobic behaviour. ”
{somehow one doubts Timmermans means to include Muslim hate speech in his censorship}
Timmermans and the EU is telling Europe (and “humanity”) what it’s social engineered future must and will be, for the sake of “our values”. EU values. OIC values.
Timmermans has been a flack for the EU and the “Palestinians” since he took over as Foreign Minister of the Netherlands from the praiseworthy Uri Rosenthal, in 2012. Rosenthal was a brave and often lone supporter of Israel. Timmermans, among the most pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel, which explains his current high position in the EU.
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TImmermans also called for a legal ban on Geert Wilder’s Freedom Party, so while Timmermans meets with Imams to decide Europe’s future, we’ll quote someone who has a better grasp of history and a very different vision for the future, Geert Wilders at the Ambrosetti conference at Villa d’Este, Italy. 2017:
“The EU is characterized by cultural relativism and enmity towards patriotism. But patriotism is not a dangerous threat; it is something to be proud of.
It means defending a nation’ sovereignty and independence, and not selling it out in shabby compromises to the EU and its bureaucrats.
As Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has said — I quote — “Europe is a community of Christian, free and independent nations. The main danger to Europe’s future comes from the fanatics of internationalism in Brussels. We shall not allow them to force upon us the bitter fruit of their cosmopolitan immigration policy.” End of quote.
I couldn’t agree more.
The European Commission has recently started procedures against Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic because they refuses to take in immigrants. Two years ago, Mrs Merkel invited millions of immigrants to come to Germany.
A historic mistake. She didn’t just let millions in; her policy encouraged them.
Her “Wir schaffen das — We can do it” call was one of the greatest pull factors in Europe’s migrant crisis. It is impossible to preserve your identity if you are inundated with millions of newcomers from an entirely different culture. A culture that — as is the case with the Islamic culture — aims to dominate and refuses to assimilate.
The EU resembles a cartel of governments dominated by Germany and France. These two powerful nations decide almost everything.
But the Poles, the Hungarians, the Dutch, the Italians — they did not elect Mrs Merkel, nor did they elect Mr Macron.
They did not elect Mr Juncker, and we, Dutch, in last March general elections have decimated the most pro-EU and pro-Islam party of The Netherlands: the social democratic party of my fellow countryman Mr Timmermans, sitting next to me here this morning, his party lost 75% of its seats. My party, the most anti-EU and anti-Islam party of The Netherlands won 33% more seats.
Out of the 13 parties in Lower House of Parliament of The Netherlands we are no. 2 now for the first time ever. And next time we will be no. 1.
Another thing we Dutch hold dear is our safety and security. In our streets today, as in many other European cities, we can see what the EU together with pro-EU national leaders have brought us. We are confronted in our inner cities with places that no longer look and feel like the Netherlands, and where Dutch people are no longer safe. We have people in our country who were born in our country, but who do not share our basic values, and it even gets worse.
Parts of Europe even resemble war zones. The EU did not prevent war. There have been horrible murderous attacks in Barcelona, London, Manchester, Berlin, Brussels, Nice, Paris, Stockholm, Copenhagen, Madrid, Amsterdam.
Terrorists have entered Europe among the flow of immigrants which the EU and the national governments allowed in. Meanwhile, home-grown terrorists are already one of the biggest problems our nations are currently facing. There are thousands of them, all over Europe, able to travel around unhindered and strike wherever they want. This morning in a Belgian newspaper the European anti-terrorism coordinator Gilles de Kerckhove says that there are 50,000 radical Muslims in Europe today. They can commit a terror attack any moment, as has already happened so many times recently.
Brussels together with the pro-EU leaders in the national capitals created the conditions that made these horrible events and attacks possible by allowing millions of immigrants to enter Europe — often unchecked, by making no assimilation demands whatsoever, by refusing to impose a leitkultur, a dominant culture, by being politically correct and because of a total lack of leadership.
In my office in The Hague, there is a huge portrait of Sir Winston Churchill. In 1946, he gave a speech advocating what he called — I quote — “a kind of United States of Europe.” But by this, he did not mean at all what the Europhiles meant. He referred to the British Commonwealth as an example: a loose federation of nations, economically cooperating and bound by a set of principles.
But when he became Prime Minister in the 1950s, Churchill did not apply for membership of the precursor of the EU. He was horrified by the idea of giving up national sovereignty. Because he knew that this would lead to the end of democracy, identity and safety for his people.
And neither does the EU care much about the preservation of the Judeo-Christian culture.
On the contrary, it facilitates Islamization.
Our European civilization, based on the legacy of Jerusalem, Athens and Rome, is the best civilization on earth. It gave us democracy, freedom, equality before the law, the separation of church and state, and the notion of sovereign states to protect it all. The remedy to all the misery and terror is clear: We have to reassert what we are. Only then will we be able to ensure a future for our children in a safe, strong and free Europe.
The problems Europe faces today are existential. Not economics but Islamisation, terrorism and mass-immigration are our main problems. Existential indeed, it determines who we are, what we are and if we will exist as free people in the future.
We want a Europe without the EU. Sovereign democratic nations are perfectly capable of working together where there are common interests — without needing a supranational political institutional like the EU.”
gravenimage says
Thanks for all the background.
Save Europe says
As a Limey who has lived, worked and still spends much time in the Netherlands, I truly hope you are correct that the PVV will win the next elections.
As for the 50,000 radical Muslims in the EU. Not a chance!!! It is unquestionably MUCH higher than that. If there are 30,000 in the UK alone, and France has the biggest problem, which EMNI admit – then it’s impossible that France’s number alone aren’t around 60,000, at least. Then there’s Belgium, Sweden and Germany to consider, per se.
Gene says
“Islam is part of our history”
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Correct, it’s part of European history, don’t forget:
The battle of Tours (October 10, 732)
Conquest of Sicily (827–902)
The siege of Vienna (September 27-October 15, 1529)
The battle of Lepanto (October 7, 1571)
The Battle Of Calugareni (1595)
The siege of Vienna (September 12, 1683)
To name a few historic European dates.
And don’t forget millions of slaves and murdered Europeans, not to mention acts of terrorism that continue to this day.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Great list! Have you seen this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo
Michael Copeland says
The millions of slaves included Miguel de Cervantes, author of Don Quixote. He was enslaved to secure a ransom. He lost an arm at the Battle of Lepanto. Islam was very much part of his history.
gravenimage says
+1
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Hey Frans Timmermans, you ninny, Mohammadism is against diversity, especially diversity of opinion!
Ren says
Islam is part of dumb people like Frans Timmermans, not part of the smart ones.
Sam says
EU top dog: “Islam is part of our history, Islam is part of our present and Islam will be part of our future”
F******* IDIOT
Granddaddy says
I think “treasonous beyond measure” is the correct description. This Timmermans meets with 10 imams, and then he calls it “diversity”. He’s just another authoritarian liar. And he speaks of European history as if he’s now an expert historian because he’s the European Commission First Vice-President. If he were an actual historian, he would be a fool, but I don’t think he’s a fool, I just think he thinks everyone else is. I think Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic have a fight on their hands. Maybe they should band together. They seem to be the only ones who understand what’s going on.
Carolyne says
Treasonous, certainly. But I believe it can be measured. Measured by the number and amount of petro dollars given by the Middle Eastern barbarians to the leaders of Western Europe, the EU and certain of our American politicians.
Saudi Arabia said, during the 2016 elections, that they owned Hillary Clinton to the tune of $30 million. And that’s just what we know about. Why did George W Bush allow a planeload of Saudis to leave the US the day after the bombing of the World Trade Center? Why did John McCain say that he knew the Al Qaeda fighters in Syria were not Jihadists. He had lunch with them and, he said, they told him so. Why did Obama make a deal with Iran detrimental to the US? In his case, it might not have been money, but loyalty to his so-called religion, Islam. The list goes on and on.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
By opposing diversity of cultures not recögnising islam as part of Europe, it means Mr Spencer is advocating for totalitarianism against muslims in the West
Benedict says
Come back with your complaint when diversity of cultures are recognized in Saudi Arabia and the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Save Europe says
….Pakistan, Kuwait, UAE, Indonesia, Somalia, Nigeria, Bangladesh etc etc etc
gravenimage says
This is rich coming from Ibrahim itace muhammed, who has affirmed that Muslims can kidnap, rape, and use Infidel women as sex slaves; can murder gay people; can commit genocide against the Jews (he said he looks forward to taking part in this); and can slaughter any Infidels who do not submit to Islam. Not a lot of tolerance for diversity there, huh?
Like most Muslims, he is just willing to use Western concepts like “diversity” to conquer us.
Also, his claiming that our not allowing Islam to conquer us is “totalitarianism” is grotesque.
Keys says
Here, here, gi. There is no respected diversity in Islam.
Allah is one, not diverse. Allah has one rule for all, and rules all through his believers, the best of people; the purpose of jihad is supremacy “uber alles”.
Ironically, the EUs idea of diversity means the death of the diversity of European cultures. A hodgepodge of different cultures means no culture. Culture becomes a mish-mash of nothing enduring or valued.
With imperious agenda, confusion, and identity/guilt/indulgence crisis of many European leaders (self-damned fools !) the malevolent agressive cult of Islam becomes a menacing threat to all the good in European culture. And with no courage (or encouragement) to resist, evil aggressively metastasizes.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Keys, even though your Satan god is diverse as function of 1satan (1+1+1)=Godman =3gods, you Will not allow muslims to believe in ONe indivisible Supreme God,because the Satan created the soils in thé West exclusively for you ? 7
Lavéritétriomphera says
Muslims believe in Baal (the master) the Moon god http://www.british-israel.ca/Islam.htm#.Wr9wieuvirV. They offer their divinity animal sacrifices (Eid al-Adha) exactly as the pagans did in pre-Islamic Arabia.
gravenimage says
Muslims have the right to believe anything they want.
They *don’t* have the right to rape and murder civilized people in the name of their foul deity, though, as Ibrahim itace muhammed claims.
Save Europe says
Ummm….don’t you mean ‘non Muslim Europeans are FED UP with Islam, which is a totalitarian aggressive political ideology’, in itself.
After all, you prove it every time you post by constantly using insults like ‘mithraist Pagans worshipping Satan’, and the rest of the verbal diarrhoea you usually post.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Islam is a totalitarian ideology, and the god of Muslims is the same bloodthirsty god of Communists and Nazis.
Chand says
Lavéritétriomphera, total nonsense from you.
Communists have no god. They believe in scientific materialism.
The Nazis pretended and propagated that God was a German blue eyed blonde hero, a German Christ, the destroyer of Jews. But they never officially renounced Christianity.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Communists and Nazis practice cult of personality and their materialist god is a bloodthirsty idol. They have/had their theologians and their priests who serve leaders power-hungry.
gravenimage says
Communism, Fascism, and Islam are certainly all totalitarian creeds.
Save Europe says
You miss the point. Islam is a political system not unlike Communism and Nazism. Wouldn’t you prefer posting on the Huffington Post?????
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
No, Mr Leveritetriomphera, we don’t believe in Baal.Allah explicitly stated in the Quran that we shall not worship Sun, moon and Baal, we shall worship him alone Who created all. Baal was god of Israelites like yahweh and his wife Ashera hero gods inspired by the Satan christians Call holy spirit.
gravenimage says
What an idiot.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Ibrahim itace muhammed,
I do not care the god your worship. Allah as a pagan god, allows violence, murder (of enemies) slavery and so on.
Save Europe says
And the Crescent Moon on ALL your vile flags?????
gravenimage says
EU top dog: “Islam is part of our history, Islam is part of our present and Islam will be part of our future”
……………………..
Well, yes–Islam has been threatening Europe since the 7th century, raiding the coasts for slaves and booty, and invading and conquering entire countries–Spain, Portugal, Greece, all of the Balkans, southern France, southern Italy, Sicily. Some of these lands were reclaimed, at the cost of many brave lives; Albania and Kosovo are still under the Muslim heel.
Islam has caused untold suffering in Europe–and continues to do so today, with the invasion of Muslim migrants and resultant explosion of rape and Jihad.
And there will be nothing *but* Islam in Europe’s future with dhimmi tools like Timmermans in charge.
Paul Carr says
Without Islam, there would be no Europe. Before Islam, there was the Greco-Roman world that surrounded the Mediterranean sea and beyond. Islam defined the boundaries of Europe. It excluded Al Andalus but included Anatolia until the 11th century. Then Al Andalus was reclaimed for Europe and Anatolia was lost to the Muslim Turks.
gravenimage says
One can make a case for this–but it is a pretty grim one. Yes–the destruction of the classical world and Muslim piracy on the Mediterranean caused Europe to turn inward and to the north.
JM says
To gravenimage
Darío Fernández-Morera’s outstanding book ‘The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise’ destroys the trendy academic theory of “convivencia”, tolerance, and cooperation in Islamic-controlled medieval Spain.
The European Dark Ages were largely caused by Mediterranean routes being blocked by Muslim pirates. So Islam can at least take credit for that. Give credit where credit is due.
What Islam cannot take credit for is reviving classical Western learning. The best Muslim scholars were generally Persians, not Arabs. And one wonders how many of them were forced to convert to from Zoroastrianism to Islam in the first place. Most of the other excellent scholars were Europeans, usually working as de facto slaves for the Muslims.
The Muslims also destroyed countless priceless non-Muslim masterpieces over the centuries. So they can take credit for that.
And their “invention” of Arabic numbers is a sham. These numbers had been invented in India hundreds of years before. The same goes for the number zero. The credit for all of this goes to Hindu mathematicians.
As for the thousands of brilliant Muslim inventions, these claims are the laughingstock of the serious academic world.
The score for Islam so far in our comparative study of the Islamic Golden Age:
You do the math (using Arabic numbers, please).
gravenimage says
Agreed. JM. A fine book on the subject is historian Henri Pirenne’s important book, “Mohammed and Charlemagne”.
JM says
The late Patricia Krone, an eminent Danish scholar of Islam at Cambridge, Oxford, and Princeton, shook up the staid Oxbridge dons and their rose-colored view of a relatively benign Islam. Krone’s groundbreaking work mercilessly laid waste to the decades of cookie-cutter scholarship on Islam that sacrificed truth for political expediency, and substance for form.
gravenimage says
Yes–Crone is an important scholar.
Bacherbazistan says
Globalist EU elite are treasonous beyond measure and accessories to terrorism to boot. Remember the Kalergi and Hutton Plans, it’s all well planned in advance. In no way are they some kind of well meaning imbeciles who bring these people in out of naïve humanitarianism, they’re too cold blooded for that.
There’s also a UK specific plan called the Lancaster plan.
thesailor says
I believe you are quite right. No-one capable of tying their own shoelaces could possibly be that stupid, which leaves only one conclusion – collusion.
On March 8th in this forum, in answer to the claim that “The Moslems have apparently been told by HM Govt that 2023 “UK will be Islamic state.”, StellaSaidSo wrote this:
“In 1973, in order to end the Arab oil embargo, the EEC agreed to increased ‘cultural exchange’ between member countries and the ME (which, of course, has all been one-way), and to being sympathetic to the ‘Palestinian’ ’cause’, at the expense of Israel.”
Given that that is a classic “Trojan Horse” setup, I cannot see much difference in reality between those two claims.
It is time for the ordinary civilised folk of Europe to prepare the lamp-posts.
Michael Copeland says
THE EU PROJECT EXPLAINED
The reason for this massive transformation?
We intend to de-homogenise the nation.
Just promote the lying claim
It’s all for “economic” aim,
When we know it’s really planned disintegration.
We’ll blacken and demean the native race,
And drive established peoples out of place.
Turn them into refugees,
Pack new voters in with ease,
And force the change to run at quite a pace.
Plant these new invaders in their town,
And make the native culture swiftly drown,
Let them infiltrate the schools,
And then impose their foreign rules,
To drive the local standards ever down.
We won’t let peoples’ borders be controlled,
We’ll make them do exactly what they’re told,
Use police at our behest,
So no dissent can be expressed.
Then bend the rules to help the plan unfold.
Give them mass invasion by migration,
A demographic gross manipulation.
Keep the project under wraps,
Ensure the old traditions lapse.
And later bask in self-congratulation.
DFD says
This man, Timmerman, is a liar. He falsifies European history, and he is a megalomanic in its purest, definite form. An utter proponent of his (EU) version of the NWO. Note, there are at least 5 different major groups pursuing the aim of an NWO, often overlapping, sometimes competing and equally often mutually exclusive – upon this I am currently writing.
He even claims that ALL countries will have to diversify – one cannot help but marvel at the… What? Idiocy or audacity? It doesn’t seem to bother him that this has also been heard by the offices of China, Japan, et cetera est.
What am I talking about? Listen to him: Ultra short here: youtu.be/q94syUDDhxA about 1.5 mins, and more extensively here: “A DANGEROUS LUNATIC” https://youtu.be/7F221Oqc1f0 about 15 mins.
Like Merkel, he is everything but stupid. He speaks four lingos fluently, etc. Good education, diplomatic background. He is not stupid nor ignorant nor any lack of understanding. But evil.
He, or rather people like him, are the reason why I am fully supporting Brexit and want to see the EU fail. And that whilst I am a unionist as firmly committed to a European union as Lincoln was to the American union. Now you get the idea about Frans Timmermans. Next to him I’d consider Goebbels to be a paragon of modesty, a man of the utmost truthfulness and integrity. By the way, Goebbels wasn’t stupid either.
gravenimage says
Yes–he is not demanding that the rest of the world become diverse–certainly not Dar-al-Islam.
Bacherbazistan says
Timmermans deserves a one way flight to Gitmo, extraordinary rendition class. He’ll find plenty of diversity there.
Benedict says
“Islam is part of our history, Islam is part of our present and Islam will be part of our future”
…………………….
Islam has no intention of being part of anything. Islam wants all or nothing while using terror and deception to achieve this goal. That’s why Islam should be expelled from Europe.
gravenimage says
+1
Lavéritétriomphera says
Islam should be expelled from Europe and from all the entier World. As long as a totalitarian ideology will exist, the world will not be at peace.
Richard Paulsen says
What a fool. Lack of feelings for Europe. Destroyed.
Save Europe says
The Islam facet of Europe’s past was not a good one. The Islam facet of Europe’s present is not a good one. The Islam facet of Europe’s future will be a disastrous one….for anyone who is non Muslim.
There. I corrected it for you, you EU Globalist stooge and traitor.
John says
I wonder how many baghead neighbours has this unelected elitist globalist cunt within his gated exclusive community?
Arthur says
Bombs, beheadings are part of islam, and part of our future.
Reminder: 2 years and 1 week ago Brussel bombings – 32 dead, over 300 wounded
gravenimage says
They are already part of our present–but this will get worse if idiots like Timmermans get their way.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Frans Timmermans, look at this video : https://youtu.be/iJLKBqUm_Dw, I hate EU.
Rasmussen says
Timmermans is very much part of the biggest problem in Europe : the EU…..
Infidel says
SPOKE LIKE A PERFECT DHIMMI… I thought that such types only existed in India…
Chand says
Europe, built on the values of liberal democracy plus the Judeo Christian ethos, has no choice but to embrace all cultures and peoples and religions as it expresses the highest and most noble trait in us. Or should Europe go into a hole of fear and then intolerance and then bigotry, state sponsored discrimination and finally fascism and another form of Nazism?
gravenimage says
The disgusting Chand wrote:
Europe, built on the values of liberal democracy plus the Judeo Christian ethos, has no choice but to embrace all cultures and peoples and religions as it expresses the highest and most noble trait in us. Or should Europe go into a hole of fear and then intolerance and then bigotry, state sponsored discrimination and finally fascism and another form of Nazism?
…………………..
Ah, right…if Europe does not embrace its destruction by violent barbarians then they are Nazis. One would expect nothing else from the appalling Muslim apologist Chand.
Also, look at the false claim that not accepting the invasion of Muslims and imposition of Islam is “state sponsored discrimination”.
Why not just demand that Europe should have accepted Fascism? Wouldn’t that have been “diverse”?
And no–embracing evil is *not* the most noble trait in us. Defending our good and decent values is.
Save Europe says
Yep, you’re correct. Islam is modern Nazism. Those who rail against the Islamofascists are actually trying to protect fools like you. However, I bet you also think Muslims are a race of people, when they aren’t.
FYI says
Treasonous Quisling politicians are always happy to sell out in the name of “diversity”.
Timmermans most likely doesn’t know allah’s teachings {in his commandment-of-God violating,anti-Christian,anti-Semitic “holy” koran} ….make it clear that muslims must never be part of western society.
“Oh ye who believe!Take not the Jews and christians as friends”
koran 5 v 51
The more “devout” the muslim,the less likely they are to be friendly with Jews and Christians.
Thus,mass islamic immigration is a catastrophe permitted by political elites.
The Quisling,leftard,anti-christian elites of Europe and elsewhere have created this problem.
Gjallarhornet says
He forgot to mention that the all-European identity was forged when coming together and fighting the muslim oppressor?
Vienna? Charles Martel? Lepanto? El Cid?
Baucent says
“the Commission is strongly committed to promoting diversity in Europe.”
Perhaps someone should ask Timmermans why? Promoting diversity is not a goal of Kuwait or any Muslim majority country.
Steven says
Christianity and Jewish are always part of so-called islamic countries, middle eastern and gulf countries and are always part of its history, Christianity and Jewish should be part of present and future………or am I being too offended and called “racist”, and “islamophobia”???
andra says
One German church historian put it correctly some days ago: The European history is a history of defence against the invading Islam.
I still do not get it why the left politcians are in love with Islam.
JM says
To andra
“As long as there is this book [the Quran], there will be no peace in the world.”
4-time British Prime Minister William Gladstone (1809–1898), speaking to the House of Commons
andra says
Timmerman is one of the most dangerous genoziders in Europe. Along with Schulz – who has been crashed in the German votes 2017 – and Junkers.
The German Schäuble – former Minister of finances – has stated that we have to accept Islamisation, because we are not able to avoid it. I am so filled up with these murderers I can not express it any more.
AP says
timmerman will one day have to eat these words, yum!
No Muzzies Here says
Translation: I desperately want to remain in power and am ready and willing to turn over all of Europe to their new masters to keep that power.
JM says
lavéritétriomphera
Chand strongly disagrees with your statement that “the god of Muslims is the same bloodthirsty god of Communists and Nazis”, and gives two reasons:
(1) “Communists have no god. They believe in scientific materialism.”;
(2) “The Nazis pretended and propagated that God was … a German Christ, the destroyer of Jews. But they never officially renounced Christianity.”
On point (1), I respectfully disagree with Chand.
a) Marx was influenced by Hegel, a Hermetic thinker fascinated by the occult, mysticism, and paranormal phenomena.
b) The occult roots of Marxist thought are well documented. Communism worships man as its god. Communists lower in the pecking order swallow the party line of scientific materialism. But many of its leaders have been initiated in the darker, occult nature of collectivist thinking.
c) The visceral hatred of Christianity in Communism goes far beyond mere political expediency.
d) Richard Wurmbrand’s book Marx & Satan is a treasure trove on Karl Marx’s motivations.
On point (2), I disagree with Chand’s conclusion, though the facts as presented are correct.
First, early Nazism was imbued with occultism (for example, the Thule society and the Vril society). Many of Hitler’s closest associates were either paganists or, as in the case of Heinrich Himmler, pagan occultists.
Officially, Christianity was not totally banned, but rather considered as a traditionalist prop barely tolerated to keeping the masses content (shades of Marxism). Even then, Nazism was relentless in its effort to distort and debase true Christianity.
Adolf Hitler was raised as a Catholic, but proudly announced to his closest followers in 1937 that he had finally succeeded in freeing himself from “weak” Christianity.
Hitler’s twisted version of Christianity was violent, tribal, supremacist, and brutal, very akin to Islam. In fact, Hitler openly despised Christianity and praised Islam.
Link:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
Also, Nazism (National Socialism) is closer to Communism than it seems. The “left vs. right” distinction is largely a red herring from the neo-Marxist Frankfurt School, trying to gain a new lease on life for Communism in America post-WW II by distancing it from National Socialism.
Ultimately, Communism and Nazism both worship man as their god. But that boils down to worshiping Satan.
And Islam worships either man as God (if Muhammad invented Allah), or indirectly Satan (as the Islamic deity is the opposite of the Christian God to anyone who cares to look). In either case, Islam worships Satan, whether intentionally or not.
The only reasonable conclusion is that whether consciously or not, Communism, Nazism, and Islam all worship a god, the same god, and it is not the Christian God. Draw your own conclusions as to who this god is.
Bob Dylan’s lyrics in his song Gotta Serve Somebody (1979) sum it up nicely:
“Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you’re gonna have to serve somebody…”
Whether examining this question from a non-Christian perspective changes anything is a question for another day.
Happy Easter!
Lavéritétriomphera says
@JM,
You summed up everything, Islam Nazism Communism are totalitarian ideologies, and the disciples of these cults worship a god who says : “crush the weaks and praise the strongs”.
Muslims believe in the evil eye, magic, and probably dark magic and so on … https://islamqa.info/en/20954.
Joyeuses Pâques.
JM says
@Lavéritétriompher,
Thank you for your feedback and the link.
I think that you are entirely correct in your assessment of the brutality required by the “god” of these three ideologies. They exemplify the exact opposite of “Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.” (Mathew 5:5)
You also mention the evil eye and dark magic in Islam. I remember the following items of interest, as described in the Islamic texts:
First, Muhammad’s nanny and others were convinced that Muhammad was possessed by demons as a child. Some modern (non-Muslim) scholars believe that Muhammad suffered from hallucinations, possibly induced by epilepsy and perhaps also acromegaly (a disorder resulting from excess growth hormone affecting the extremities, often including the head).
Second, when Muhammad received his revelations from the “angel Gabriel” in Hira (a tiny 1.5 meter x 4 meter cave), he feared that he would die from being repeatedly crushed by Gabriel and commanded to speak Allah’s truth.
Third, for some time after the revelations from “Gabriel”, Muhammad was suicidal, convinced that he had become possessed by a demon. He would have jumped off a mountaintop but for his wife Khadijah, who convinced him that he was not insane or possessed, but was a prophet of God.
Fourth, Muhammad issued the infamous Satanic Verses, written about by Salman Rusdhie in his novel The Satanic Verses (1988). By the way, the fatwah and the death sentence issued by the Ayatollah Khomeini in 1989 against Salman Rusdhie has since been lifted, but the fatwah against him remains in effect.
Fifth, almost every conceivable evil (murder, rape, torture, theft, pedophilia, sodomy, polygamy, slavery, genocide, incest, etc.) is allowed in Islam under certain conditions.
The level of acceptance varies between toleration and glorification. Even necrophilia, cannibalism, and bestiality are not exempt from the list, unless ISIS and other groups diverge from a proper understanding of Islam.
This is only scratching the surface. What is striking is that Islam is virtually the mirror opposite of Christianity in many and striking ways. The so-called “Satanic Law of Reversal” referred to by Satanists is especially revealing in this regard, and warrants further investigation.
Joyeuses Pâques à vous aussi.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Hi JM,
Their credo is : blessed are the strongs, the Earth will belong to them.
Islam is the continuation of paganism. Allah is Baal, Beel-zebub the lord of the flies http://www.keyway.ca/htm2002/20020324.htm. People did human sacrifices to honor Baal. Suicide bombings are human sacrifices.
As in pagan societies sacred prostitution exists in islam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_jihad, and it would seem (ritual) cannibalism could exist too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQF7JXXPwgA.
The pilgrims in Mecca are naked under the white clothe (ihram), in the pre-islamic Mecca, they did not wear clothes at all.
Amitiés.
Caro says
Scroll back up to the link to the Battle at Poitier. Charles Martel won that battle by stepping outside the box. He dispatched a phalanx from his besieged stronghold to rout the Islamic camp from the rear. That’s what we need to do: an unexpected doubling back. Preferably intellectually. We must quickly strengthen our verbal routing ability.
JM says
@Caro
Agreed. What works against Muslims? Reason doesn’t work, because of duality in the Muslim mindset (good is bad, bad is good, etc).
Interfaith dialogue is a joke on the gullible West and a Taqiyya-fest for Muslims.
Self-induced guilt and misguided tolerance have landed the West in its current predicament.
Islam interprets kindness as a sign of weakness, and as an invitation to press forward with jihad.
That leaves three possible options:
1. Showing Christian values, friendship, turning the other cheek, etc. on a private level to Muslims.;
(or)
2. Relentless public ridiculing of Islam’s lunacy and evil in the form of devastatingly accurate humor;
(and)
3. Using overwhelming and relentless diplomatic, political, economic, and/or military power.
In my opinion, #1 is always the preferred approach in any case, on a private basis. Miracles can happen.
How much of #2 and #3 to use, and when, depends on the stage of Islamic encroachment in one’s country. Unfortunately, our backs are increasingly against the wall. That doesn’t bode too well.
If and when things get even worse than now (as they most likely will), some European countries may suggest segregating newly-arrived Muslim “refugees” and migrants from the general population, probably in guarded, walled or gated compounds outside the city. That will be the real test of where everything is headed.
gravenimage says
Here’s a good article:
“5 Reasons why Frans Timmermans of the EU is a Dangerous Lunatic”
http://www.debatetheleft.com/5-reasons-why-frans-timmermans-of-the-eu-is-a-dangerous-lunatic/
JM says
@gravenimage
Thanks for the link to the excellent article entitled:
“5 Reasons why Frans Timmermans of the EU is a Dangerous Lunatic”
And debatetheleft.com is an outstanding website. A definite bookmark.
gravenimage says
Thanks, JM.
I think you are fairly new here–I’d like to welcome you to Jihad Watch!
Andy says
I second what gravenimage has said.
Welcome abroad JM!
Thank you for fighting the good fight against Islam!
Andy says
The Ugly Truth About Diversity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2398&v=byB3a0eMhE0
JM says
To gravenimage
Thank you for the warm welcome. JW is by far my favorite website, because of the quality of Robert Spencer’s prolific work, and also the quality of many of the posted comments, obviously including yours. Keep up the good work!
gravenimage says
Thank you, JM.
Mike says
To understand, follow the ( Soros ) money .