What else could he possibly have preached? Do French authorities really think that other imams don’t preach this?
“The Jews or the Christians will never approve of you until you follow their religion. Say, ‘Indeed, the guidance of Allah is the guidance.’ If you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, you would have against Allah no protector or helper.” (Qur’an 2:120)
“Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers. And whoever does that has nothing to do with Allah, unless you do it to guard yourselves against them.” (Qur’an 3:28)
“O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you – then indeed, he is of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.” (Qur’an 5:51)
“A Moroccan imam will be expelled from Torcy,” Yabiladi, March 28, 2018 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
A Moroccan imam, settled down in Torcy, was arrested on the 28th of March in front of his house, reports Europe 1. He will be «expelled to Morocco on the same day».
The arrestee identified as Mohammed Tlaghi, an imam at the Rahma mosque in Torcy, was arrested after a request for expulsion was issued by the Ministry of Interior «because of his radical sermons», said Le Parisien.
The Rahma mosque was closed on April the 10th 2017, after being considered as «a place of Salafist movement influence». The first target was the imam who «incited Muslims to distrust non-Muslims».
According to him, his comments were misinterpreted…
Of course! As always!
Billy Chickens says
Wow! So they can do it – they CAN DEPORT MUSLIMS. And on the SAME day.
Therefore how hard can it be too round them all up and fly them back to wherever – on the SAME day.
Just plane after plane after plane after plane – load them up, fly them back on the SAME DAY they are rounded up.
Then CLOSE the borders, man up (that includes you wimpy men in Sweden too…you whose all female government have made you Swedish men impotent) and join the army that will have to fight the returning Islamic invaders. They will return, only this time as a fighting force.
You let them in the first time. Next time you will have to fight to keep them out.
mortimer says
A MUSLIM DEPORTED FOR TEACHING THE AUTHENTIC DOCTRINES OF THE KORAN???
EXCELLENT!
Hopefully, ALL Muslims will soon be deported for teaching the Koran!
THE KORAN is: a troop motivator, a Machiavellian hoax concocted by Arab dictators for the benefit of their own emolument and power, a plagiarized text that is self-referentially incoherent, ungrammatical, illogical and unhistorical, incomprehensible in the original text, a racist manifesto of hatred towards non-Arabs, a solicitation of murder, an anti-Semitic hate text, an anti-Christian death warrant, an extortionist’s manual, a justification for slavery, pedophilia, polygamy, rape and violence against women. The Koran appears to be the rantings of a schizophrenic. There isn’t a single useful idea in it, and much that is in it is obviously erroneous, stupid and morally repugnant. It preaches implacable hatred and endless world war against non-Muslims until victory. So long as there is this book, there will be no peace in the world. The viciousness of the Koran cannot be edited out of it for it is alleged to be the ‘perfect, complete and eternal words of Allah’, no matter how absurd, irrational or amoral they are. The viciousness of the Koran cannot be edited out of it, for it is allegedly the ‘perfect, complete and eternal words of Allah’, no matter how absurd, irrational or amoral those words are.
Nige31 says
What an excellent summary, Mortimer. I have copied this into a word file that I will post on many HYS’s in mainstream media.
Andy says
21st Century Anti-Semitism in France
https://israelunwired.com/holocaust-survivor-brutally-murdered-france/
Westman says
Finally! Action against kafirophobia in France. Now the OKC (Organization of Kafir Countries) must insist upon international laws preventing the demeaning of kafirs into dhimmihood and punishing blasphemy against freedom.
Kafirophobia, 1400 years of existence and just recently discovered by amazing sleuths.
mortimer says
KAFIROPHOBIA is the same as the AUTHENTIC ISLAMIC DOCTRINE of “Al-BARAA” … Islamic apartheid.
Baraa means ‘to be cleansed from” kafirs and their from their cultures…
It is the HATRED of Kafirs ‘for the sake of Allah’…Al Bughoud or Al Mu’adaat (hatred) is the opposite of Al Muwalaat (love of Muslims), it is:
– To Hate
– To keep distance from
– To be enemy to
– To desert
– To decline to help
– To disrespect
– To put down
– Not to ally with
– Not to support
Allah ordered Muslims to have Baraa (to be cleansed) from the kufaar and from kufr and shirk.
-Imam Abdul-Latif ibn Abdur-Rahman Rahimullah said, “It is not possible for someone to realize Tawheed (Islamic faith) and act upon it, and yet not be HOSTILE against the mushrikeen (i.e. wrong worshippers). So anyone who isn’t HOSTILE against the mushrikeen, then it cannot be said that he acts upon Tawheed nor that he realizes it.” [ad-Durar as-Saniyyah 8/167]
-“The doctrine of al Walaa wal Baraa is the REAL IMAGE for the actual practice of this faith.” – source “Al Walaa wal Baraa According to the Aqeedah of the Salaf”, by Sheikh Muhammad Saeed al Qatani, authoritative Saudi Sharia lawyer and imam at the Abu Bakr and Al Furqan Mosques in Mecca.
Save Europe says
I like what you did there. Our response to the OIC ?
J D S says
If the whole western world’s law enforcement agencies would put undercover
agents in mosques they most likely could export instead of importing these radical imams or would actually find out that those they thought
we’re preaching soft sermons were actually NOT! Nooooo that would be racist and islamophobic and the Muslimss would probably cry entrapment.
When it comes to these Muslims who don’t want to conform to a modern civilized society police should take a complete no nonsense,”YOU’RE OUTA HERE” attitude.. But Noooo, the upper crust won’t let that happen.
FYI says
It is hard not to laugh at k5:51 “take not the Jews and Christians as friends”.
What about Moses,Elijah,Jesus Christ and His Apostles,the mother of Christ etc?
They were all JEWISH and we know allah doesn’t like the Jews{“apes,despised and to be hated” k2 v 65}
so you see is allah saying muslims shouldn’t be friends with them??
If Abraham,Moses,Elijah and Jesus Christ came back to the world tomorrow for a tour of the middle East,there is one place they would certainly not be welcome.
mecca.
Why?
Well,you see..they are ALL Jews(although allah isn’t sure about Abraham..”Abraham was not a Jew”k3 v67)They would probably have to disguise themselves as muslims…especially since allah and his islamic followers seem to think that all the (Jewish)Biblical prophets were muslims.
It is best not to offend the muslims I guess with the unpalatable truth that these “apes” are actually the True God’s Real prophets.
CogitoErgoSum says
The fact that some parts of the Jewish or Christian scriptures contradict the Quran or Muhammad can be explained away by “corruption” of the Jewish and Christian scriptures. Also, anything in the Quran that contradicts the Quran can be explained by “abrogation.” Jesus, Moses and all the prophets actually being Muslims can also be explained by “corruption” of the earlier scriptures OR because the first prophets didn’t know they were Muslims OR they didn’t use that terminology. It’s all very simple actually ….. if you are simple minded and don’t think about it too much.
BUT what if people decided to put the Quran under the same scrutiny that’s been given to the Christian and Jewish scriptures that came before the Quran? See below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jOS6zGiN_Q
CogitoErgoSum says
P.S: Is it possible that something that is fake (Quran) has been put off limits to critical analysis while something that MAY actually be authentic (Shroud of Turin) has been encouraged to be met with skepticism? I encourage everyone never to stop looking for the TRUTH.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRB16BARvz0
Wellington says
In the first 15 seconds or so of this video, CES, the narrator states that “It is well documented that the Shroud existed before the Middle Ages.” No, this is not well documented. Most scientists still adhere to the assessment that the Shroud is from the thirteenth or fourteenth century.
To maintain within the first minute of this video the “well documented” assertion GUARANTEES that the rest that follows is tendentious and should be treated with very skeptically. And even assuming that the Shroud is much earlier than the late Middle Ages (personally speaking I don’t think it is), but not to take into account that many authorities, most actually, still dispute this, only diminishes the initial contention which puts forward an hypothesis as fact. I trust you see my point here.
CogitoErgoSum says
Wellington, I have no problem with your skepticism. Plus, I would add to your remarks that even if the image is authentic, it still is not proof that the image is of Jesus or that the image is proof of Jesus’ resurrection and ascension into Heaven. I want to encourage more scientific study of it …. just as I encourage more study of the scientific and historic evidence pertaining to Muhammad and the Quran. I say do your best to prove or disprove such things as these.
Indiana Tom says
Some of the controversy surrounding the Shroud of Turin is carbon dating. The problem is that the original fabric is surrounded by different material and the fact that the shroud survived a fire.
Interesting history of the shroud mentioned in history.
https://www.shroud.com/pdfs/guscinvtxt.pdf
My own analysis is that if the shroud is a fake, it is a really good accurate one.
CogitoErgoSum says
For Wellington and other skeptics:
I chose the video above concerning the Shroud of Turin because it was one of the shorter yet more concise summaries that I could find on the Shroud. If you are interested in learning about the recent discoveries concerning the Shroud I suggest you watch a video that was posted on YouTube Mar. 7, 2018 by Thy Second Coming with the title of “Shroud of Turin new evidence challenges sceptics.”
Wellington says
Thanks for your reply, CES. Appreciated.
gravenimage says
FYI, Muslims just claim that Jesus and the Jewish prophets were all actually Muslims. This makes no sense, of course, but when has Islam ever had to be rational?
Save Europe says
Correct Ma’am. Let us also look at some non Muslims’ conversion to Islam. The truly insane ones deem themselves to be ‘reverts.’ Why so? Albeit, Islam occurred circa 600 years after both Judaism and Christianity, they ‘believe’ that everyone was born a Muslim, and those who aren’t, currently, chose to ‘leave Islam’ their supposed religion. Yes! Seriously!!!!!
J D S says
There were no tribes called Muslims till long after the birth of that wild ass (God’s words) Ishmael and if Abraham had kept his pants zipped
or cloak closed,or whatever, we wouldn’t have these Muslims or whatever they are, trying to force their fake religion down our throats.
But guess what…….All this Is God’s plan for the end times..just hope
Jesus returns soon….Is everyone ready?…When the bridegroom arrives will your lamp be full of oil ? (Which one of the parables of Jesus was this called?) We have a lot of bad times ahead …..BE READY!
Emilie Green says
“Do French authorities really think that other imams don’t preach this?”
As the phrase goes, hatred for the non-Muslim, especially the Jew, is baked into the Qur’anic cake.
DBM echo says
Two minutes of musical truth, It’s In The Quran song,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtePF8p-eIo
Older Canadian says
Great. Now how many more like him are also inspired. Is this the beginning of a plan or just a token for msn.
Sentinel says
As welcome as it is that any extremist Imam is deported, the truth is that it is merely a cosmetic approach. He didn’t turn up out of the blue in isolation and the support structure that enabled him to operate remains untouched, only now, they will know better to keep their activities underground. In the UK a teacher at an Islamic school has received a lengthy prison sentence for attempting to recruit children as Jihadists in planned terror attacks and this was at a school declared to be ‘excellent’ by OFSTED.
The concern among Muslims will not be that he was allowed to preach, but how he was found out.
mortimer says
The argument of THE PUBLIC GOOD or SOCIAL COHESION (whatever that means) is often used in Western countries to prevent speakers from criticizing the VERY SAME, HATE-FILLED, AUTHENTIC, ISLAMIC TEACHINGS that got this mullah EXPELLED from France for teaching hate !!
What he taught is NORMATIVE Islam… a doctrine called AL WALAA WAL BARAA (Islamic apartheid).
NOW it is illegal to CRITICIZE THOSE TEACHINGS, but it is also ILLEGAL TO TEACH THOSE TEACHINGS!!!!
Ah- ha… we are getting somewhere.
When the HATEFUL TEACHINGS of AL WALAA WAL BARAA are understood by Western judges and Western politicians, the ENTIRE LEGAL APPROACH TO ISLAM WILL BE CHANGED!
I hope that the KORAN will soon be DRAGGED INTO COURT in some country with HATE SPEECH LAWS and declared by a judge to be actual HATE SPEECH.
The Koran is actual HATE SPEECH by most definitions of the term, since the KORAN CALLS FOR THE RAPE, ROBBERY, ENSLAVEMENT, RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION, TORTURE and GENOCIDAL KILLING of disbelievers.
The KORAN DECREES that Muslims should commit CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
One Frenchman also got an African Christian lady deported back to Africa for refusal to have sex with his dog and horse,because she refuse to adapt to western culture of having sex with animals . Thanks to people of freedom !!
Ecosse1314 says
Illiterate buffoon.
Wellington says
Western culture and sex with animals are wrapped up with one another? No, an extremely warped and perverted version of Western culture might be guilty of this but there is nothing in Western Civilization that condones or lauds sex with animals. Quite the opposite in fact.
Again you lie. And again I sense projection from you.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Prove what you just said muslim, otherwise stop with your lies.
But then, why would you stop lying to us non muslims?
You think god is pleased when you do it, don’t you.
Benedict says
https://www.facebook.com/notes/god-free-zone/the-ayatollah-khomeinis-booksex-with-children-and-animals/156350977771408/
Salah says
READ YOUR “HOLY” BOOKS, IDIOT.
Al Iqna’a fi Hal Alfaz Abi Shja’a, Al-Khatib Al-Sherbini 2/521
وطء الميتة والبهيمة فلا حد فيه
Translation:
There is no punishment for having intercourse with a dead woman or with an animal.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2010/03/necrophilia-in-islam-necrophilie-en.html
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Salah, this is an isolated juristic opinion.The holy prophet muhammad said “qutilal bahimata waman ataha (both animal and the person Who has sex with it shall be killed as had). Even that isolated opinion never says that person shall not be punished, he Will be punished under Taazir (discretionary or lesser punishment).
Jack Diamond says
You’re the one quoting a doubtful ahadith. A death penalty for bestiality is not mentioned in either Bukhari or Muslim. Abu Da`ud, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah, and Ahmad who mention it do not have a favorable opinion of the ahadith. Abu Da`ud said, This is not strong. (Abu Da`ud 3871) {“If anyone has sexual intercourse with an animal, kill him and kill it along with him”}.
and in the following narration, Ibn ‘Abbas in fact says something completely different:
“Ahmad bin Yunus related to us that Sharik, Abu al-Ahwas and Abu Bakr bin ‘Ayyash related to them from ‘Asim (bin Bahdalah Abi al-Najud) from Abu Razin from Ibn ‘Abbas who said: “There is no prescribed punishment for one who has sexual intercourse with an animal.” Abu Da`ud said: “‘Ata also said so.” Al-Hakam said: “I think he should be flogged, but the number should not reach the prescribed punishment (for zina`, that is, 100 lashes)”. Al-Hasan said: “He is like al-zan.” Adu Da`ud said: “This hadith of ‘Asim weakens the hadith of ‘Amr bin ‘Amr.” (Abu Da`ud 3872)
Ibn ‘Abbas himself says clearly, “there is no prescribed punishment for sex with an animal” and he was the source of the supposed death penalty.
“as noted in ‘Awn al-Ma‘bud, the four Sunni schools of fiqh are unanimous that death is not prescribed for one who commits sexual intercourse with an animal, but may be given some other punishment (yu‘azzar wa la yuqtal). Such an agreement among the fuqaha` would have been difficult to develop if they generally knew and accepted a hadith, in which the Prophet ordered to kill the one who has sex with an animal.”
“It is also worth noting that all the ahadith about the death penalty for deviant sex, i.e. sex with animals, a mahram, or a member of one’s own gender come from the same very small group of transmitters in the first four generations: Ibn ‘Abbas, ‘Ikrimah, Da`ud bin al-Husayn, ‘Amr bin Abi ‘Amr, Ibrahim bin Isma‘il etc. If the Prophet prescribed the death penalty for all these crimes, it is strange that its knowledge in all three cases remained limited to a few Hadith students for about one and a half century.
—Dr. Ahmad Shafaat “Death Penalty For Homosexuality, Incest, And Bestiality”
“Not only are there no sound narrations prescribing any specific punishments for bestiality, we actually find at least one scholarly reference that seems to support the permissibility of engaging in this perverted act.
“We found one text worded in such a manner as to suggest that a person can take a mate, a partner from cattle. Other texts seem to support it by saying that individuals are to protect their private parts except from their spouses and what their right hands own. Since animals are part of what a person owns this seems to suggest that intercourse with beasts is permissible. Even if one wishes to argue that the author didn’t mean to imply that bestiality is permissible, at the very least this shows that the Quran is far from being as eloquent and as clear as Muslims believe.”
–Sam Shamoun “The Quran’s Confused Stance on Sexual Ethics”
Jack Diamond says
Animals as right-hand possessions to be enjoyed?
“Successful indeed are the believers, Who are humble in their prayers, And who keep aloof from what is vain, And who are givers of poor-rate, And who guard their private parts, Except before their mates (azwajihim) or those whom their right hands possess”
(s.23:1-11)
The Arabic words for spouses/mates and “those whom your right hands possess” are not limited to wives or female slaves, at least not in these specific texts. The context of these verses refer to all the believers, whether male or females, and implies that the words refer to either spouse, i.e. to husbands or wives, and to whatever a person owns or possesses such as animals, property etc. There is even one place in the Quran that presents a list of persons and things that a man possesses:
“Fair in the eyes of men is the love of THINGS they covet: women and sons, heaped-up hoards of gold and silver, horses branded for blood and excellence, and wealth of cattle and well-tilled land. Such are the POSSESSIONS of this world’s life, but in nearness to Allah is the best of the goals to return to.” S. 3:14
Even though the above text doesn’t use the same Arabic expression found in Suras 23 and 70, the meaning is the same since “those whom your right hands possess” obviously encompass all the above persons and items. That is unless, of course, Muslims want to argue that a person’s possessions are different from what his right hand owns!
Furthermore, there are places in the Quran where the phrase “those whom your right hands possess” includes more than just the female captives (cf. Suras 4:36; 16:71; 30:28).
In fact, had the Quran wanted to limit this group to wives and to the women slaves it could have qualified it in the same way it does elsewhere:
“If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women (al-nisa) of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice. S. 4:3
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and….
Commentary of Imam Al-Nawawi ( a renowned scholar) on the Hadith of Sahih Muslim,
“Chapter of Hadith: Abrogating a fluid with water and the necessity of washing”
“Our companions have said that if the penile head has penetrated A WOMAN’S ANUS, or A MAN’S ANUS, or AN ANIMAL’S VAGINA or ITS ANUS then it is necessary to wash whether the one being penetrated is alive OR DEAD, YOUNG OR OLD, whether it was done intentionally or absentmindedly, whether it was done willfully or forcefully.”
“If a man wraps a sheath around his male member and then ejaculates inside a woman’s vagina, then there are three opinions from our companions. The most famous is that the man must wash. The second is that he does not have to wash because he ejaculated inside the sheath. The third is that if the sheath is thick and prevents climax and wetness (in the vagina) then washing is not necessary, otherwise it is necessary and Allah knows best.
“If a woman inserts (in her vagina) AN ANIMAL’S PENIS she must wash, and if she inserts A DETACHED PENIS (thakaran maktu-an, lit. “a severed male member”) there are two opinions; the most correct is that she must wash.”
Some reason the renowned scholar even mentions a penis in an animal’s vagina or anus, which then must be washed (whether it, human or animal, was alive or dead)?
Or an animal’s penis in a woman’s vagina, which she must then wash? Does this not suppose there were Muslims doing such things that they need to be told to wash after?
“Our companions have said that if the penile head has penetrated a woman’s anus, or a man’s anus, or an animal’s vagina or its anus then it is necessary to wash whether the one being penetrated is alive or dead, young or old, whether it was done intentionally or absentmindedly, whether it was done willfully or forcefully.”
Forcefully? So Muslim, if you raped, young (child) or old, dead or alive, animal or human, you better wash yourself after!
–same source, Sam Shamoun “The Quran’s Confused Stance on Sexual Ethics”
gravenimage says
Good posts, Jack.
Sentinel says
It must be true – you heard it at the mosque.
Let us know who the Imam was and the name of the mosque.
Indiana Tom says
Here are some excerpts from “Tahrirolvasyleh” which Muslims probably don’t want you to know about Islam:
A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, but selling the meat to a neighbouring village is reasonable.
If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned.
David M says
Google statistics show the No 1 country in the world for searches on beastiality is Pakistan.
gravenimage says
Yep.
gravenimage says
The perverse Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
One Frenchman also got an African Christian lady deported back to Africa for refusal to have sex with his dog and horse,because she refuse to adapt to western culture of having sex with animals . Thanks to people of freedom !!
………………………..
The dishonest Ibrahim itace muhammed has made this grotesque claim numerous times before. Of course, there is no such case.
But then, pious Muslims don’t believe in having to supply proof. They just repeat their lies, and threaten people if they are not believed.
Sex with animals is actually rife not in the West, but *in Islam*. Despite lower rates of computer usage, the greatest searches for all forms of bestiality come from Muslim countries.
And–infamously–the Ayatollah Khomeini said that it is fine for Muslims to have sex with animals so long as they immediately slaughter the poor victim and sell its meat in the next village over.
There is, needless to say, *nothing* like this in the West.
Save Europe says
You’re an insane troll. As for bestiality – well, you’d know ALL about it, as you’re such a desensualised group of totalitarian fools.
Jack Diamond says
If “inciting Muslims to distrust non-Muslims” is going to be the criteria for a “radical sermon” and expelling an imam or closing a mosque, there won’t be many (or any) left. That would be brilliant but it’s doubtful the French have anything like that in mind. Usually, mosques have been shut down because “war-grade” weapons have been found along with leaders of terrorist cells in the so-called houses of worship (just emulating their model of conduct in that regard).
Are we to suppose there is a new intolerance toward orthodox Islam (i.e. “salafism”) being preached in France?
Wellington says
An imam who wouldn’t encourage fellow Muslims to distrust non-Muslims would not be a good Muslim, now would he? Again can be seen that for a Muslim to be a good person they must be a bad Muslim.
Telling. Damning. Rather says it all.
Gjallarhornet says
Good. A step, maybe even a first step of some sort.
Muslims will yell ‘islamophobia’ and playthe victim card, no doubt. But it is ceasing to work – the sheen has come of. Then some of them will do some bad shit. Then there will be another step from France and us here in the west, this time harder and faster.
We have just begun to fight, we’re getting warm. Islam will loose.
Vive le France!
Daniel Triplett says
A tiny baby step in the right direction.
Le Pen would’ve instead been making giant strides.
Garfield says
Misinterpreted? There’s a toasty spot in hell for liars. That hate preachers words were not “misinterpreted”.
More and more people are waking up. The Koran is a foul book of hate. And the taquiyya IS NOT WORKING ANYMORE!
Because we see past the lies, there is nowhere for the criminal mafia death cult of Islam to hide anymore. People are STARTING TO NOTICE that all Islam REALLY brings is idiocy, violence, division, rape, abuse and that adherents to the antisemitic, misogynistic hate filled koran are either deluded or evil.
The era of anyone believing that Islam is a religion of peace is ending. It has to. That is just too grossly *blatantly* untrue.
Islam is a death cult run like a mafia.
We have so many technological advances, so much luxury and potential…..it is only Islam that hates life and wants to destroy anything good. The future DOES NOT BELONG to brainwashed zombies.
gravenimage says
France: Imam to be deported for inciting Muslims to distrust non-Muslims
…………………….
Well, this is good. Unfortunately, as noted, this is mainstream Islam.
Gjallarhornet says
Never give in to apathy or defeatism, good people. The future is unwritten, nowhere is it written that islam’s victory is unavoidable. Islam will only win if we think it will win. We musn’t.
There will be more action coming, just wait and see. And don’t just complain that islam is taking over – do something. Write, discuss, file complaints – but never just believe the fight is already lost. it isn’t.
Daniel Triplett says
That’s right. The Spanish spent 781 years vanquishing Ummah control of the peninsula.
Never give up.
Gjallarhornet says
+1
gravenimage says
Hear, hear, Gjallarhornet and Daniel!
dumbledoresarmy says
Indeed. Hear, hear!
Indiana Tom says
The first target was the imam who «incited Muslims to distrust non-Muslims».
I dunno, I really do not trust Muslims.
I suppose the Imam advocated more than just mistrust, but I have problems with blasting people just because they do not like or mistrust other people.
No not a Muslim sympathizer, as you can tell from my other posts that I am hardly a fan of Islam.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Jack Diamond, this is how you make mischiefs making references to the Islamic sources without knowledge. Do you know what is the Legal implication of classifying offences into hudud and Taazir under sharia ? Hudud refers mostly to grave capital offences with prescribed punishments from the Quran or Hadith, while Taazir are also mostly grave offences without such prescribed punishments.According to preponderance of opinion of muslim jurists bestiality is under hudud offences which carries death penalty,while according to isolated opinion it falls under Taazir on which the state could prescribe commensruate punishment like tërms of imprisonment or 100 lashes like zina by a person Who never married.
No accepted muslim jurist have equated sex with female slave with sex with animal. sex with female slave not assigned is zina. As such your reference on that is a forgery ,if at all you have come across it. Ignorant fool !!
6woods says
So, Ibby, you admit that in your religion from hell, rape of “sex slaves” is allowed, including that of small children? It doesn’t bother you, as a human being, that sex-slavery (or any kind of slavery) is sanctioned by your ‘religion’?
This is all anyone needs to know to thoroughly abhor islam, though there are innumerable reasons to do so.
There are so many rules in islam, most of them sanctioning depravity, or covering ridiculosly mundane things such as which way to face when you’re having a dump; none of them encouraging simple human kindness.
Islam kills off the humanity of its adherents – you can always see this in their cold, dead eyes.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
6wood, churchmen had sex with slaves by crucifying their hands and legs before penetrating pursant to mithraist Bible commands christians to kill all those living with exception of small girls Who did not expérience sex to be kept as slaves. In Islam, only war captives in a valid jihad fighting are permissible to have sex provided they are put under family system so that when they give birth they automatically become as wives.
6woods says
You are truly an idiot. There’s nothing in the Bible which tells clerics to rape children, but your disgusting prophet says it’s ok, and that it’s a form of worship.
However, my comment was about Islam sanctioning sex slavery, and I asked you if that doesn’t bother you as a human being. Of course you haven’t answered that. You are disgusting, your ugly prophet is disgusting, and your putrid fake religion is disgusting. You should be ashamed.
Keys says
Once again itace verifies the depravity and deceit of Islam by his postings.
I celebrate his posts to the music of the Gentrys.
Keep on, keep on, keep on posting !
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VeEs6e0FdwU
6woods says
Piggy Ibrahim thinks it’s ok to rape women if they’re at war with islam. What he doesn’t say is that anyone who doesn’t submit to islam is deemed to be at war with this piggish ideology. And Ibby, you pig, you think raping women is ok as long as their rapists “marry” them and raise any resulting children as muslim. No woman wants to marry a rapist. No woman wants to have have a rapist’s child.
The fact that you think rape is wonderful and noble underscores every ugly thing I’ve learned about islam. I’ve read the Koran and much of the surra and hadith, and found it hard to believe that anyone could actually take this ugliness seriously. But I thank you, Ibrahim Itace Muhammed, for showing me that there are actually people (millions and millions of you) who think that this behaviour is noble and holy. The more you post, ibrahim, the more you awaken people to the horrors of islam. You are horrific. Your ugly prophet was horrific. Your unspeakably ugly ‘religion’ is horrific.
Ashley says
I sincerely hope you’ll consider donating your brain to a psychiatric institution upon your death, Ibrahim.
Scientists will be astounded by the vacancy of a single brain cell.
Jack Diamond says
Have you ever explained to us why, by far, the leading consumers of bestiality pornography are Muslims in Muslim countries like Pakistan, Egypt, Iran? Why would that be? Can you show me the hundreds if not thousands of Muslims who have been put to death for having sex with animals, since it is a capital offense according to you, and since it is known to occur rather frequently in dar al-Islam?
All I did was show how confused Islam is regarding this subject, in its core texts, as admitted by Muslims. The Qur’an says zero on the subject. Nor do the two Sahihs. Remember, this unpleasant discussion began with your lie that sex with animals is western culture, as your moral condemnation. Our laws and our religions have always strictly forbidden bestiality. You seem to be the ones confused. It is Islamic scholars like Khomenei who go on about having sex with animals. Muslim countries that seem rife with the practice.
What you said was “The holy prophet muhammad said “qutilal bahimata waman ataha (both animal and the person Who has sex with it shall be killed as had).”
What I did was show that this is not considered a reliable ahadith and, in fact, is contradicted by the original source. And “as noted in ‘Awn al-Ma‘bud, the four Sunni schools of fiqh are unanimous that death is not prescribed for one who commits sexual intercourse with an animal, but may be given some other punishment (yu‘azzar wa la yuqtal).”
{Abu Dawud Book 38, Number 4450:Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:”There is no prescribed punishment for one who has sexual intercourse with an animal.”}
“there can be little doubt the hadith in question is a false hadith, yet some later scholars accept the hadith and then try to reconcile it with the opinion of the fuqaha`. Thus some say that killing is mentioned in the hadith only as a threat not meant to be carried out. Some say that the killing of the man is only a threat but killing of the animal is to be carried out in actuality.”
In general, Islam disapproves of bestiality. Goody. What varies immensely are the penalties, which are usually fines, sometimes prison. Punishments, contrary to what you say, the majority of which are discretionary (Ta’zir). Show me all the Muslims being executed for having sex with their livestock. Why aren’t they if Muhammad laid down the law, as you say?
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“Imam Nawawi was a renowned Muslim scholar whose works such as the Forty Hadith Qudsi and his commentary on Sahih Muslim are considered to be some of the greatest.
“One Muslim source which we cited even states that Imam Al-Nawawi’s commentary on Sahih Muslim was second only to Imam Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalani’s commentary of Sahih Bukhari.”
The source of Nawawi’s commentary came from the Al-Azhar website itself.
You, of course, are invited to state your credentials.
Dr. Ahmad Shafaat is a well-respected contemporary scholar.
You, of course, are invited to state your credentials.
Anecdotes:
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“An Afghan soldier was detained by police after being caught having sex with a donkey in southeastern Afghanistan, a police officer told AFP.
The soldier was discovered with the donkey in an abandoned house in a small village of Gardez, the capital of Paktia province, last week, a local police officer said.
“He was caught in the act by a small boy who immediately told police about what he had seen and police arrested him in action,” the Gardez-based officer told AFP, requesting anonymity.
The soldier claimed he committed the act because he did not have enough money to get married.
After being caught with the donkey in a village about 100km south of the capital Kabul, he was jailed for four days and then released without charge.”
–The Age March 16, 2004
Released without charge. Why is that? Why not EXECUTED?
Report from Health Officers, British Mandate in Palestine, on sexual practice of the Muslim Arabs, 1923:
“The Nablus officer finds sodomy and “similar vices” “not uncommon in some of the towns but less so in the villages where…bestiality is by no mean unknown” and “immorality…rather lightly regarded” in those villages that are closer to the larger towns. He comments, “in the villages there seems to be curiously little feeling against bestiality which I have heard admitted in a very airy way on more than one occasion. Sodomy is considered disgraceful but not I think more so than ordinary immorality”
—-Ellen L. Fleischmann, Jerusalem Quarterly File, Issue 10, 2000
“In southern Punjab, much of NWFP, Sindh and Balochistan sodomy and bestiality are common among rural youths. In fact, he caught two boys trying to rape a goat in the vicinity of the mazar of Hazrat Sultan Bahu. The punishment meted out to them was 10 blows with a chhittar (shoe) each on their butts. They protested however that in many rural areas having sex with an animal was considered a rite of passage on the way to becoming full members of the male society!”
—-Ishtiaq Ahmed (associate professor of political science at Stockholm University), Daily Times, June 27, 2006
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Jack Diamond, as ignorant as you are about Fiqh how can you assume the position of mujatahid Attarjihi (scholarly analysis) on the divergent juristic opinions to know which one to accept or reject. Non of these Analysts had suggested that bestiality is permissible. Even khomaini never said so. The scholars only said that where one has committed this sin of bestiality he has to take ritual bath, but it never exonerates him from legal punishment
LeftisruiningCanada says
Have you ever considered posting up something other than your own opinion, Ibrahim?
You might have noticed by now that the non muslims here are handling your islamic materials in such a superior manner than your yourself have shown capable of, that every time you now reply without citation you only make yourself look worse.
Yes. Even worse, surprising as that is.
Ashley says
1+
Save Europe says
You’re totally and utterly insane.
gravenimage says
The unhinged Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Jack Diamond, this is how you make mischiefs making references to the Islamic sources without knowledge. Do you know what is the Legal implication of classifying offences into hudud and Taazir under sharia ? Hudud refers mostly to grave capital offences with prescribed punishments from the Quran or Hadith, while Taazir are also mostly grave offences without such prescribed punishments.
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Yes–these Hudud punishments include such “grave capital offenses” as saying anything critcal about Islam, daring to leave Islam, or being the victim of rape.
All these call for the death penalty in Islam. *Ugh*.
And Taazir just refers to offenses mentioned in the Qur’an and Hadith where specific punishments are not spelled out–so Muslims can get creative…
Jack Diamond knows all about this savagery.
More:
According to preponderance of opinion of muslim jurists bestiality is under hudud offences which carries death penalty,while according to isolated opinion it falls under Taazir on which the state could prescribe commensruate punishment like tërms of imprisonment or 100 lashes like zina by a person Who never married.
No accepted muslim jurist have equated sex with female slave with sex with animal. sex with female slave not assigned is zina. As such your reference on that is a forgery ,if at all you have come across it. Ignorant fool !!
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Note–sex with a slave is only unlawful if the slave is “not assigned”. Muslims can not only enslave Infidels, but can rape them with impunity. *Ugh*.
As for bestiality, there is nothing critical of it in the Qur’an, and nothing in any Sahih Hadith.
Also, there is not a single Muslim nation that has the death penalty for bestiality. How can Ibrahim itace muhammed think we don’t know that?
More ugly stupidity:
6wood, churchmen had sex with slaves by crucifying their hands and legs before penetrating pursant to mithraist Bible commands christians to kill all those living with exception of small girls Who did not expérience sex to be kept as slaves.
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Of course, there is *no* such Biblical verse telling Churchmen to crucify and rape women. Ibrahim itace muhammed has been called on this outrageous lie scores of times now, and he has–needless to say–never been able to produce anything to back this up.
More:
In Islam, only war captives in a valid jihad fighting are permissible to have sex provided they are put under family system so that when they give birth they automatically become as wives.
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Here’s the appalling Ibrahim itace muhammed, once again confirming that Infidel women can be kidnapped, enlaves, and raped. His claiming that this treatment is no better than what Muslims do to their wives is all the more damning. *Ugh*.
Eric jones says
This may be one small step in France admitting to itself that Islam is at war with France.
Eric
sidney penny says
“The arrestee identified as Mohammed Tlaghi, an imam at the Rahma mosque in Torcy, was arrested after a request for expulsion was issued by the Ministry of Interior «because of his radical sermons», said Le Parisien.”
Is there a non-radical sermon?
Something like “love the infidels”?
LeftisruiningCanada says
Now that would truly be a radical sermon for muslims to hear preached!
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Lifruinicanada, I am avoiding mere citations because most of the references i am using are in Arabic language, which you could not read and understand to check their veracities. This is the kind of blunders you have been committing here, including Mr Spencer, citing Islamic sources without knowing what they connote.
Andy says
Here decipher this FU
gravenimage says
In other words, Ibrahim itace muhammed is saying that we have everything terribly wrong about Islam, but that he can’t tell what any of it is. Uh huh…
Terra Nova says
I wonder, this imam got expelled. People, jihadists , murderers, rapists, did not even get expelled and now all of a sudden an imam who said: Never to trust an infidel , is expelled, and right away. I wonder if
something else was going on that the French did not want to have publicised about the case, and nobody could ask this man as he was gone right away. Or am I too suspicious ?
Learning Islam says
Read page 50 of ‘The Little Green Book’ by the famous (infamous) Ayatollah Khomeini. It will tell you in detail about the biology of females, and how, if they bleed from the left or right side of their vagina ?????? (I forgot which) it is either menstrual blood, or blood from an abcess! Yes, indeed, the Ayatollah will also instruct you how much money you must pay if you have sex with your wife during her menstrual cycle (depending on which day and depth of insertion), and how you are allowed to sodomize her during this time.
In yet another section of the book, he will tell you that it is ok to have sex with your wife’s dead body, as long as the body is still warm! Mmmmm ….
There is also a section of advice on how to sexually abuse animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, but selling the meat to a neighbouring village is reasonable, I guess when a wife is not available.
(Are (marine animals) such as dolphins and tuna forbidden for the adventurous Muslim male, or is that just an oversight from the desert dwelling Bedouin self-indulgent messenger of Allah’s list of Revelation Wet Dreams?)
Learning Islam says
A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable. If a man does penetrate and damage the child then, he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl will not count as one of his four permanent wives and the man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister… It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband’s house, rather than her father’s home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven. [“Tahrirolvasyleh”, fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990]
Ashley says
UGH!
gravenimage says
Yes–it’s hideous.