“The man, who refers to himself as Abu Marwan, 41, killed his wife, 37, by stabbing her four to five times in the neck…”
Where did he get the idea to treat his wife this way? From his religion that mandates beating disobedient women and striking the necks of unbelievers:
“When you meet the unbelievers, strike the necks…” (Qur’an 47:4)
“Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them.” (Qur’an 4:34)
Is Germany diverse enough yet?
“Syrian man in Germany appears on air with blood on his face after killing wife,” Al Arabiya, March 3, 2018 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
A Syrian refugee residing in Germany took to Facebook Live immediately after killing his wife on Friday, reported German newspapers.
The incident took place in the town of Mühlacker, Baden-Württemberg.
The man, who refers to himself as Abu Marwan, 41, killed his wife, 37, by stabbing her four to five times in the neck, then ran away with one of his children.
Murder is a message to all womenAbu Marwan appeared on his Facebook stream panting and bleeding due to a cut sustained in his hand. Next to him, appeared his son….
In an attempt to justify the crime, Abu Marwan said that his actions were a message to all women who irritate their husbands saying “this is how you’ll end.” The man and his son urged viewers to share the video….
Ashley says
There’s fucked up, and then there is bat-shit crazy fucked up.
This dude broke through both barometers…
Doghouse Riley says
This one’s goin’ out to all you ladies out there…
gravenimage says
*Ouch*!
Undaunted says
Yeah, what you said.
Kay says
I was just thinking that I can never imagine how horrible tis gets. And then there’s something else!
Kay says
this
Holy Connoli says
More love from the “religion” of peace.
J D S says
I’ll wager he learned that from watching I love Lucy reruns…. just couldn’t pass that up….. of course no one needs to joke about this awful unloving, ungrateful, bunch of pure hate …the hate that Satan put in the mind of muhammad (no historical proof that he ever existed) and passed down from generation to generation thereby held in place by FORCE THEN FEAR……and I dare ANYONE to prove different.
BC says
I think you mean parameters
Norger says
True but the point is well taken nonetheless.
gordon miller says
Is this man going to walk scot- free after this atrocity?
Mamo says
He is white white Germany,it has problems with cultural diversity issue.
Bre says
Enough of the “white” crap already. I guess it is easiest to blame the wiote race than take responsibility for one’s own actions
Marco says
So you admit murder is part of Islamic culture?
gravenimage says
This has nothing to do with race–white Muslims are just as savage as are any other Muslims.
roger woodhouse says
‘Nothing to do with Islam’though.Probably ‘mental issues’.
Steve says
It’s the knife’s fault. Ban Knives!
Garfield says
This is parenting Islam?
Is anyone surprised?
Islam is a death cult.
Sarah says
That video he put up is cold hard undeniable proof of what will occur for the coming generations – our children and grandchildren – and what they will suffer as a result of these moronic Politician’s making these decisions about immigration and Muslims.
I’m less concerned about the man, to be honest. He is a scumbag Muslim, no surprises that he just slaughtered his wife and is now not only boasting openly about it on the internet but is also threatening women everywhere, full stop. I hate what he has done and is doing – and I hate him for it. But he’s not my biggest problem – because he’ll be thrown in jail very soon.
It’s the son. That kid alarms the hell out of me. There he is, next to his blood-spattered father, agreeing along with him over the MURDER of his OWN MOTHER by his OWN FATHER – his father is literally dripping with the blood of his dead mother and there he is, happy as a clam.
That little vile devil will grow up, in the West, hating the West. Hating women. He will treat his sister’s like dirt and his future wife like dirt. He’ll probably threaten to kill his future wife, or perhaps slaughter her too – if he feels wronged in some way, as the precious Muslim male that he is.
And our kids and grandkids will have to deal with it. Their world, their society will be irrevocably altered from what we know society and our culture to be today – because a whacking good % of their population, will be mass-breeding utter savage primates like that boy.
That boy scares the life out of me. He is proof, of the sickening, obscene attitude’s that the West is importing with these scumbag Muslims. And our future generations will pay for OUR consequences of OUR actions.
May Merkel go down in history with her filthy name up on the wall of disgrace, along with Hitler. It is no less than she deserves.
Shmoovie says
Agreed about the son. Can’t see much of his face, but a child raised to love and respect his mother would be cowering and screaming after witnessing this butchery. The calm doll’s eyes show that the boy’s mind is poisoned beyond salvation.
Doubtless the savage took video & photos of his work to boast to friends and add to the family album.
gravenimage says
Yes–*very* disturbing.
andra says
In the Video you can see more of the boy. He is all calm. I do not understand what he is saying then but it sounds as if he his agreeing with his father.
SJ says
Absolutely correct. It is a horrendous injustice that Merkel and others, are doing in Europe to all future generations. In a different way she is doing the country wrong (and our civilization), and the effects of her policies will bring shame and regret on Germany once again. England will also pay dearly!
Germania says
I am a German wife and I am very frightened about what happens in my country. And no other European country gives help to the Germans which are demonstrating in many cities, not even take notice about this. Germany seems to be DDR 2 now and in the future if we ain’t got help from other people in other countries. We don’t want Merkel to behave in this way any longer, but democracy ain’t here any more! Please help us to delete her, please!
Carol R. says
England is already too far gone. They have a Muslim mayor of London and numerous other small towns as well. Oxford University has a New Islamic cultural center. They do not have a Christian Cultural center or Jewish cultural center or any other religion at Oxford. It was indorsed by the Christian Bishop. Sad.
Savvy Kafir says
Right on all points, Sarah — except one, maybe. I’m still hoping that the millions of Islam-friendly sleepwalkers in the West will wake up in time to help save their societies by ejecting Islam, entirely.
But at this time, your prediction seems distressingly realistic.
Mickey says
This is why I am constantly putting out there in social media to Ban Islam and any Muslims from being in America. If you watch the elections, more and more Muslims are infiltrating our government. If we obeyed the Constitution, these Muslims should not be allowed to be political in our Country. They will never hold allegiance to the United States and taking the oath of office depicts that.
The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952. On the USCIS web site. In Section 212 Chapter 2, it Prohibits entry into America Aliens belonging to an organization seeking the unlawful overthrow of the federal government of the United States by force, violence and other unconstitutional means.
Islamic immigration would be illegal under this law. Why? The Koran, Sharia Law and the Hadith all require complete submission to Islam. To which are against our values and violate the Constitution as it requires them to kill the infidel, which happens to be citizens of the United States.
The Islamic faith also requires total submission to Islam and its form of government. The law states that Aliens affiliated with any “organization” that advocates the overthrow of our government are prohibited”.
So Obama(who advocated for Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood) and all who advocate Syrian Islamist refugees into the nation are violating the law, as well as allowing any Muslims into America that practice Sharia law.
18 U.S. Code § 2385 says, “Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States … shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.”
PLEASE PASS THIS ON AND PLEASE FIGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY. Obama, along with the Bushes and Clintons started the infiltration of this Country to destroy it and create a globalist/socialist country and to tear down our Constitution and hand our Country over to the Muslim.
Mickey says
What every non-Muslim needs to know about Islam!
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-encyclopedia-westerners-need-to-know-list.htm
CRUSADER says
Muslim Brotherhood has been planning inroads into US government influence and American education system for decades, but it did seem to find a path (a shari’ah)
through mindset afflicted among Bush globalists and Clinton triangulators and the
Obama socialists.
Holy Land Foundation case certainly exposed much of the long standing plan of the Muslim Brotherhood and its tentacles.
The Tipping Point: Embracing the Muslim Brotherhood – Center for …
https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/…/the-tipping-point-embracing-the-muslim-b…
Jul 2, 2011 – To understand why the Obama administration’s embrace of the Muslim Brotherhood is so ominous, consider three insights into the organization’s nature … the General Strategic Goals of the Group,” entered into evidence by the Department of Justice in the 2008 Holy Land Foundation terrorism-finance trial.
Kathy C. says
Agree. Merkel brought this Trojan horse to the West.
gravenimage says
Oh, Muslim migration into the West predates Merkel by decades, I’m afraid. But things have gotten *much worse* under her.
Ashley says
In an attempt to justify the crime, Abu Marwan said that his actions were a message to all women who irritate their husbands saying “this is how you’ll end.” The man and his son urged viewers to share the video….
_____________________
I irritate my husband 24/7. It is how we bond.
Exposing a child to this shit is reprehensible…
Allen Combs says
I have been married for 20 years and my wife and I both irritate each other at times. We talk it over and resolve the situation after we calm down and there is never any violence. My philosophy is taken from Ephesians 5 verse 25,”Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it” That is the Word of God. Allah is a demon and a false god leading people straight to HELL.
Norger says
Not just reprehensible but also morally bankrupt, depraved and criminal. Yet consistent with orthodox Islamic theology.
gravenimage says
In even the most loving marriages, husbands and wives irritate each other sometimes. My husband even jokingly says, “all mammals are irritating at times”–he includes our sweet but sometimes irksome cats in this, as when they decide the vintage LPs are more fun than the scratching post to sharpen their claws on.
With them and each other, we just deal with it as a minor bother, know it is not intentional, try to work things out, and know that our love will carry us through.
Not Muslims, though, where wife beating and “Honor Killing” are part of the creed. *Ugh*.
Pete says
Fast forward 20 years and his son[to the left] is doing the same thing
Who knows perhaps he has more than one killer….err I mean “son”
Let’s have more of these psychopaths ….err “dreamers” into America
FlakeBook will probably make it “Video Of The Year”
Sarah says
Wow Merkel, if this is what your so-called ‘middle class Syrian’ migrants can offer up to Germany, then I’d hate to see what your third world African, Paki, Afghani etc etc migrants can contribute to your country?
You really didn’t pick the winning nag in this race, did you, you abominably stupid woman.
Phil Copson says
“…. you abominably stupid woman…..”
————————–
Dear Sarah,
no matter how severe the provocation, you should never refer to German Wunderwoman Angela Merkel as “abominably stupid”; the correct description is, of course – “you demented dwarf”….
Sarah says
OK, ‘demented dwarf’ made me laugh. 🙂
Indiana Tom says
You really didn’t pick the winning nag in this race, did you, you abominably stupid woman.
No, she is not stupid. This is the George Soros plan for a New World Order.
StellaSaidSo says
Spot on, Indiana Tom. ‘Stupid’ is an act designed to distract and deceive. It has worked very well for the globalists and their puppets.
Lydia Church says
Bullseye.
Julius Legatus says
An Islamic New World Order. That is the real intent of the whole “European project” These murders are the new “normal”.
It is time people took to the streets and removed the traitors responsible and try them in a new Nurenburg. Obama was an Islamic stooge of the Moslem Brotherhood as is Sadiq Khan. These are the leading lights of the Islamic takeover. Clinton was a facilitator.
Khan will find a way to stay in power. Obama is still causing havoc as a “Shadow President”- still actively organising through the SPLC and in league with Soros waging a street revolution. All of Obama’s brothers and uncles are Moslem Brotherhhod.
The current mass migration is in fact an Islamic “Hijra”- they did this to Byzantium- flooded the place and destroyed most of Roman North Africa around 640AD. The taking of Europe has always been the Moslem goal and now they have all but succeeded. A local Orthodox Bishop in Cyprus told me that Islam and its followers were a “Pestilence”…..
Those that attack peaceful protest and blithely call for “No Borders” are traitors and accessories and should be treated accordingly. We are at war for survival of everything we love. Trust me these “honour killings” are “normal” in the Moslem world. The Police rarely interfere.
StellaSaidSo says
Right on all counts, Julius Legatus.
CRUSADER says
Right…. Mudmammam announced,
“First… Byzantium, then… Rome”
sarah says
But does that make her smart or intelligent?
Don’t get me wrong, I happen to agree with you completely.
I just think that this still makes her, an abominably stupid idiot. 🙂
Yogi says
And she won again and again, no words how this German people not learn the lessons, she will be finished this country and Europe for sure , it’s just heartbreaking, feel sorry for young generations to come.,
Indiana Tom says
Abu Marwan said that his actions were a message to all women who irritate their husbands saying “this is how you’ll end.” The man and his son urged viewers to share the video….
This message has been approved by the Council Of Muslim Marriage Counselors.
Problem is that something similar happened in the Amish Community in Adams County.
CogitoErgoSum says
I always appreciate the way Robert presents supporting verses from the Quran to show that despicable acts such as this one do not actually constitute any sort of grave sin for the Muslim perpetrator. If such a similar act did occur in the Amish Community of Adams County did anyone point out the verses from the Bible that could be used to show that no grave sin was committed by the Amish perpetrator? I don’t know of any such Biblical verses, do you? Does anyone?
CRUSADER says
>> “….supporting verses from the Quran to show that despicable acts such as this one do not actually constitute any sort of grave sin for the Muslim perpetrator….” <<
Do you suppose that has to do with Muslim actions having a direct correlation with the dictates of the Queer'an?
Wellington says
No woman in her own mind, possessing a proper mind and divorced from all other factors as much as it is possible to be divorced from all other factors, should willingly be a Muslim.
Yes, there is no reason, no good reason that is, for a woman in the integrity of her own gray matter which she alone possesses, to be voluntarily a Muslim. No reason.
gravenimage says
+1
utis says
Let me guess: the boy is deprived of his mother, so Dad doesn’t go to jail, doesn’t go back to his rat-hole of origin (sorry, rats) and the punk doesn’t go with him. Shariah “justice” prevails in Merkelland. I’m getting so good at this prediction, I may change my name to Nostradamus.
LeftisruiningCanada says
You may be more accurate in your predictions.
Niemoller says
If Jihad Watch was checked daily by a few million voters, we would soon have loyal politicians instead of the quisling traitors we have now, and we would make short work of dealing with smug, supremacist islamists. Islam would have equal status with the North Korean regime and nazism, like it deserves. There would also be more Ex-muslims than muslims. They would be free to leave it, while muttering, dead-ender imams would be disgusting medieval embarrassments to the world.
Lydia Church says
It is all plotted by the globalists.
But by the dumbness of the herd of humanity, and spiritual blindness; they accomplish their goals.
StellaSaidSo says
Yep. All going according to Plan…
jack cade says
Pussy German males are making this possible.
Aaron says
Good point
What’s it going to take to wake up the so called German males to defend their country and women
andra says
The German women start rising and getting to the streets. This may be the wake-up call for the men.
StellaSaidSo says
+1
The women of Europe need to unite and conduct simultaneous mass protests.
And the men need to be marching alongside them.
CRUSADER says
120 DECIBELS in GERMANY: real feminist movement!
============================================
#120db or 120 decibels — the “sound intensity of rape alarms” — the group issued a video challenging German leaders. [Pat Condell refers to this.]
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/migrant-assaults-provoke-backlash-among-young-german-women
German women rise up! #120
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJxU8iiyOS0
Aaron says
This is what Germany ask for when they took in sharia heathens
Now tell me if this isn’t evil
gravenimage says
Germany: Bloodied Muslim migrant makes Facebook video after killing wife to warn other wives to obey husbands
…………………….
Mu God, how sick. I see from the picture he involved his little boy in this, too.
gravenimage says
My God
CRUSADER says
At first I was thinking you are referring to Mu’s “God”…..
gravenimage says
Nope–just an embarassing typo, I’m afraid…
Kay says
Yes, the boy may have been terrified into dissociating but he is certainly indoctrinated.
gravenimage says
*Islam* teaches this behavior.
Lydia Church says
That is how you spell “love and marriage” in islam.
Lydia Church says
A totalitarian horror movie.
Lydia Church says
Blood red all over for Valentine’s Day,
and a note that says:
“Honey, I love you… to death!”
underbed cat says
The warfare doctrine has no use for women, in fact, there may never be a word allowed to be spoken since the religion of no tolerance sees only justice. South African white farmers had their lands and lives taken, children get abused and swept up in horror, yet you would never know it.
The time is not right the punishments come first to shame…our culture to destroy it with a heart of revenge for diversity. This is as Lydia C says,” it is a totalitarian horror movie” to video his face after slaying his wife who did not obey…but the diverse ideology has been on for a long time, we just can’t get them to get it.
Ewanda says
I don’t understand … When do we start winning?!! This Islamic Self-Determination has gone on for 1400 years extending into countries now that are supposed to be enlightened, civilized, and having fought many major wars to free oppressed citizens from their 20th century despots and yet they can’t recognize nor deal with this set of despots taking up residence in their freed countries? It is incredible indeed!
I think the reason is that everyone doesn’t know what actions to take that wouldn’t be called bigoted, discriminatory, or anti-Islamist.
Suits me to endure those monikers if it makes for a safer future that ensures the survival of humankind. Jesus brought the Blueprint for the survival of mankind whereas Mohammad brought the Blueprint for Last Man Standing .. and that’s the way it will end unless we have courage and figure out how to stop this relentless jihad.
By the way, some reject the term “Islamist” saying that it is all the same, but an Islamist is the Implementor.
I also wonder about the teaching of sex education in the younger grades which includes Physiology. How
do they explain to the little girls the parts of the female body when they have had their little clitorises removed?
Tony Holland says
We are well along the road to victory over the Godless heathens,so fear not, just study the direction that European politics are headed with victories or strong showings for Patriotic (a more accurate description than Rightwing) parties in Austria,Germany,Holland,France,Poland,Hungary,Czech republic and the latest wonderful result by 5star in Italy,not only are they ‘on the march’ against the filth of islam but have a strong anti Brussels thread running through them all which is ESSENTIAL as it is this nightmare unelected cabal of mafia crooks who have,and still are, trying to change the demographics of the continent to fit some nightmare vision of a ‘brown europe’.The answer is in OUR hands,if the British people can be persuaded to lose their shyness and follow and elevate the ‘fringe’ organisations, whose objectives are at ‘street level’,i.e the same as most people whose major fear is islam,so we MUST ignore the “facist” labels and try to unite these factions and get behind one coherent party,NOTHING will change under the Con/Lab gravy train riders,NOTHING.
C says
Smile all you want. Your wife will return the favor when you die.
Jayell says
This is just yet more proof of how you allow these orgsnisms into civilised society and they simply drag everything down to their gutter level. Merkel and the rest of her gang of deluded, cock-eyed optimistic, terminally naive morons failed to realise that these ‘poor refugees’ were actually very much part and parcel of the savagery of which it was idiotically assumed they were ‘innocent victims’ by failing to research the situation in Syria and elsewhere properly and failing to heed the evidence of the appalling behaviour and attitudes of these so-called ‘victims’ once they were removed from the place of their presumed ‘oppression’. One lesson that one learns from being in the teaching profession is that “cause and effect’ in ‘victim and oppressor’ situations is frequently not as clearcut as it might first appear, and both patties involved might be as bad as each other.
Davegreybeard says
Told you so…
MFritz says
Before 2015 these incidents rarely happened. Murder rates were VERY low. The media here made a fuzz about every single incident and even caused panic, but overall – since the 1970s – homicide numbers were WAY down.
Well, not anymore. Thanks to a couple of millions of “special workers” the numbers are rising. And not only murder, also rape, theft, burglary, drug dealing and, as is to be exptected, extremist/terrorist activities.
THANK YOU, Mutti Merkel, for letting THESE people in. And THANK YOU SPD for supporting her regime for another 4 years. We shall not forget.
And now let’s hope for Italy…
Marym says
His quote “this is how you’ll end” speaks of more than just his wife’s tragic death. This iindeed is how the West will end unless we can knock some sense into the politicians.
Lebel says
Disgusting
andra says
This Video was shared on many Muslim sites in the web. In a German thread I could read that the majority of those who watched it there approved of the murder. And These sites are mainly viewed by Muslims living in Germany. Welcome to the middle ages.
StellaSaidSo says
Chilling, but unsurprising.
These people are savages; and, ultimately, we will be obliged to deal savagely with them, or be ourselves destroyed.
andra says
I am afraid that you are right. I have never believed that I – after my grandparents and parents – would live through a war on European soil. But I now am sure that this will be unavoidable.
gravenimage says
I wish I could say that Muslims approving of this horror shocks me–but it doesn’t.
CRUSADER says
Germany, eh? The nation which opened its borders and social programs, so that Muslim Migrants would traipse across other nations and cross other national borders just to have Germans place the welcome mat for them….
Well, it seems things are shifting….in Italy, for instance:
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A surge for populist and far-right parties in Sunday’s Italian election could result in a hung parliament with a right-wing alliance likely to win the most votes, but no majority.
With over half the ballots from Sunday’s vote counted, the right-wing coalition was at 37 percent, including the far-right, eurosceptic League party with 18 percent and media mogul Silvio Berlusconi’s Forza Italia (Go Italy) party with 14 percent.
That raises the prospect of League leader Matteo Salvini, who has promised to shut down Roma camps, deport hundreds of thousands of migrants and tackle the “danger” of Islam, becoming Italy’s next prime minister.
The eurosceptic, anti-establishment Five Star Movement, which has drawn support from Italians fed up with traditional parties and a lack of economic opportunity, was predicted to come second to the coalition.
….
StellaSaidSo says
Thankyou for the update, CRUSADER.
No Muzzies Here says
But if you or I post a truthful statement about the ideology that inspired this inhuman attack, we are banned.
Sam says
What a good Muslim. Let’s bring in to America two million of those for our liberal women.
afrostreetwise says
The way to deal with this Satan’s agent should be very simple- Just incarcerate him with inmates more merciless than him who have been given the incentive to administer the same treatment to him. It’s a known fact that inmates fights all the time. Oh, maybe before that, a brief period of internship how to serve in paradise as a pearl in paradise alongside the Horris. Surely it would be an honour to serve the martyrs for eternity.
StellaSaidSo says
Indeed, Jay Boo, many Muslims believe in this mythical Utopian Islamic sect, either thru ignorance of the Koran, or sheer wishful thinking.
LeftisruiningCanada says
It’s like the twenty-something lefty who believes that Communism is perfect and the solution to all mankind’s ills, but was just never tried properly.
Their mystical idea persists regardless of the proven impossibility of it’s realization.
gravenimage says
Exactly, LeftisruiningCanada.
CRUSADER says
Certainly the Ismaelis and Shi’a are more esoteric and mystical than the Sunni sect.
Isma’ilism ;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isma%27ilism
gravenimage says
True–that doesn’t mean they are less violent, though.
mortimer says
WAS THIS A FIRST-COUSIN MARRIAGE? If so, there is NO blood money required if the common grandfather agrees with the execution.
In an Islamic country, the matter could be dropped if the grandfather approved the killing of one of us grandchildren (a married first cousin).
terry says
EVIL!!!
Politicianophobia says
Just another manic muslim.
LeftisruiningCanada says
they don’t like Sunday
cause it’s the Son’s day
they’ll come for you anyway
just another manic muslim
Fred Alan Medforth says
Bremen / Germany: Syrian man calls for further honour killings in Germany and praises the murders of Mühlacker and Laupheim — Announces that he will throw his wife out of the 4th floor (VIDEO)
http://searchlight-germany.blogspot.de/2018/03/bremen-germany-syrian-man-calls-for.html
Manny says
He had his kid watch the murder of his mother? And the kid wasn’t upset? This is sick. Get these people off the planet, let alone out of my country.
Lina says
No the kid said his mother was a whore and diserved it.
And this kid will go to school with German kids
Jacqueline says
No matter how carefully immigration authorities vet Muslim potential immigrants someone in the umma will be violent. It’s inherent in the religion. Moreover the Koran’s message inciting cruelty against infidels attracts society’s disaffected, the insane, and sociopaths of every community. I can’t figure out if Andrea Merkel is trying to redeem Germany for the Holocaust or get revenge for Germany’s WWII defeat by flooding Europe with believers of this cancerous religion.
Valkyrie Ziege says
; Absolute power corrupts absolutely,
and religions have absolute power.
LeftisruiningCanada says
You will of course be including Communism, Fascism and the general worship of wealth and power in the definition of “Religion”….
gravenimage says
Valkyrie, no other faith teaches men to beat and murder their wives.
Eric jones says
Has Marwan been arrested yet? Are the authorities looking for him? Bringing his son into this is child abuse.
Eric
Warren says
This is just another normal day in fascist Islam. I keep hearing that Islam loves women, never knew Islam did jokes.
Hogdude says
It appears Islam sometimes is a conspiracy to commit murder.