On this new edition of The Glazov Gang, we were joined by Armin Navabi, an ex-Muslim who is the founder of Atheist Republic.
Armin discussed the Terror of Islamic Hell, sharing how he attempted suicide at the age of 12 because of his dreadful fear of it.
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LeftisruiningCanada says
The fear of Judgment and Hell is a legitimate concern. It is one of many curses upon muslims that islam offers no sure way to avoid condemnation, other than being killed in the act of murdering others.
Apart from the death of a shahid, allah’s totally arbitrary ‘justice’ turns the muslim in on him or her self and their performance as an imitator of mohammad.
No peace can be found under such a burden, no surety or confidence that God is pleased with you, because there is always something more you could do if you really tried.
Thanks be to God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ that He is pleased with His Son, and that in Him we are accepted for His own sake.
Granddaddy says
I can understand why a child might believe in such a thing. It’s all they know, and everyone around them says it’s true. So why shouldn’t they believe it? What puzzles me is how adult people can believe they’ll go to Heaven for doing something even Allah won’t do himself (killing unbelievers, for instance) and will even kill themselves in the process. And then when they get there they supposedly get 72 virgin sex machines and a permanent erection (this is for the men, of course, who are apparently permanently horney also). On the other hand a Muslim can go to Hell for all kinds of reasons, and the Muslim Hell is ten times worse than the Christian version. So I can understand why a 12-year-old kid growing up as a Muslim could find all that incomprehensible and frightening and might even want to kill himself.
None of this stuff (Muslim Heaven, Muslim Hell, Christian Heaven, Christian Hell) is supported by reality. And what reality does support generally contradicts such beliefs. So I can even understand why that same 12-year-old boy might grow up to be an atheist.
What I don’t understand is why throw out the good with the bad. One of the reasons the Western world is in such straights with Islam is that they rejected Jesus and so could not see the spiritual side of the invasion that’s been attacking us for the last 30 years (this stealth war, I mean). If we had, we would not have allowed this new Caliphate to indoctrinate our children with Muslim beliefs in our schools and universities for the last 20 years (at least). And so now we have an elite in the media and government that believes the US is evil and Jesus is evil and Islam is good and Muhammad is good, even though there is absolutely nothing to support such beliefs. And so we see not just children in the big cities, but children in the Heartland who have no contact with Islam, growing up and suddenly turning into violent jihadis for no apparent reason. And you won’t talk them out of it, not even with reality to back you up.
I have nothing against atheism, personally. This is still a free country (so far anyway) so if a person doesn’t want God in their life, then they can live without God in their life. You won’t hear of any Christian demanding atheists become Christians or die (as the Quran commands Muslims to demand the non-Muslim to become Muslim or die). It’s not supported in the New Testament. Muslims on the other hand can do such things and know that they are doing exactly what Allah tells them to do. And this has been going on for 1400 years.
So there is no end of evil in the world. Which Jeremiah pointed out so well 2500 years ago (Jeremiah 17:9). There was evil in the world long before Muhammad came along. So I can understand why there are so many atheists in Western culture. It’s the rejection of the good that bothers me.
Aussie Infidel says
Granddaddy, You say, “One of the reasons the Western world is in such straights with Islam is that they rejected Jesus and so could not see the spiritual side of the invasion that’s been attacking us for the last 30 years (this stealth war, I mean).”
I am an atheist, and I will grant you that many of us did not see the Muslim “invasion that’s been attacking us for the last 30 years”. But that’s simply because atheists were not interested in religious matters, and allowed Muslims and their ‘religion of peace’ to slip beneath their radar. But that problem is not unique to atheists. Many Christians are still denying that Islam is a problem, and are engaging in interfaith dialogue with Muslims, in the forlorn hope that they will build bridges between the two. However, more people from all sides are now waking up to Islam’s pernicious nature and demanding our governments do something about it.
One of the reasons many of us reject religion, is not that we hate Jesus – although some of us, myself included – have been persecuted by Christians. It’s mainly that all religions are contrary to scientific evidence. How do you define the supernatural? Heaven or Hell? How can there be an afterlife? Where is God? How do you know He listens to your prayers? Is man made in the image of God? Or is God made in the image of man? Supernatural means above or beyond nature – that’s outside the universe. All this exists only in the imagination of the believer. I’m an old communications specialist and astronomer, and I can say categorically that it is physically impossible to have any knowledge of anything outside the universe. We don’t even know yet where the edge of the universe is, let alone some fictitious realm beyond that. We are still discovering galaxies further out there, never before seen by human eyes.
Religions describe themselves as ‘faiths’, or beliefs without proof. Having said that, I believe in freedom of religion, but I’ll still choose not to believe in any of it. I agree with Armin that “when people speak for God and they know what God wants, then the opinion of us mere human beings becomes irrelevant.” And that’s a very bad thing!
In my particular case, I have been fighting against the Islamic menace for over 50 years – since the Lebanese Civil War in the 1960s. We in Australia were infested with thousands of ‘refugees’ from that conflict – and ironically many of them were aggressive pious Muslims (Palestinians), who started the conflict. They simply took advantage of the change in our legislation to exercise their doctrine of Hijra or ‘migration in the cause of Allah, and pulled the wool over the eyes of our politicians who allowed them into the country.
Our main problem is our politicians – most of them haven’t got a clue about Islam. They have also allowed many leftist ideas to creep into legislation – often in the guise of Human Rights Acts to prevent ‘offense’ to minority groups. But these laws have been hijacked by aggressive Muslims and allowed jihadists to infiltrate our countries and institutions. This has nothing to do with “rejection of Jesus” or any other religious issue, except the Muslim doctrine of Hijra (Quran 2:218 etc). Westerners were simply ignorant of such pernicious doctrines.
Many religions regard evil as the product of a living entity – Satan – which is simply supernatural gobbledegook. And lastly being an atheist doesn’t mean that we “reject the good.” I fully understand that the Judeo-Christian tradition gave rise to Western civilisation, which is far superior to anything Islam pretends to be. I just don’t need to believe in some supernatural God to be good. That sort of thinking belongs in our deep dark past, when our scientifically illiterate ancestors were trying to fathom the answers to life and the world about them. And while it is true that we still haven’t figured it all out – and probably never will – we have come a long way from the primitive superstitious nonsense our ancestors believed.
You are correct about the issue of indoctrination of our children – but it goes back a lot further than 20 years. Also, it was a political issue rather than a religious one. I came from the Left, and in the 1950s and 60s I was a member of Leftist policy committees which endorsed such ideas as ‘progressivism’, ‘cultural relativism’, ‘political inclusivism’, ‘feminism’ and ‘political correctness’. That was when all this post-modernist crap started. It was a fallout from the Cold War, when the communists realised they weren’t getting anywhere politically here in Australia (and other western nations). Even socialism and Marxism were tainted by association with the USSR and Stalin’s purges of his own people; so Leftists re-badged themselves as ‘Progressives’. The university people on those committees, were busy introducing those topics into Education, Sociology, Political Science and Journalism courses; which is why we are now reaping the poisoned fruits of the seeds they sowed back then. And since those days, virtually every university student – at least in the Arts faculties, has been indoctrinated with Marxist ideology to a greater or lesser extent – and without even knowing it. And more recently, that has included the Left’s love affair with Islam.
I can only wish this young man, Armin Navabi, every success in his quest to alert the rest of the dhimmis out there about the dangers of Islam.
blitz2b says
Jamie,
It’s funny that your guest is speaking of morality as though atheism actually had a moral compass…
Who decides what is wrong or what is right… I mean in a world of survival of the fittest, why should the one who loves his neighbor be better than the one who eats him?
It’s a fundamental question that breaks down atheistic morality.
Before you decide to bring an atheist to your show to discuss Islam, you should talk to him about his “faith” and it’s absurdities.
I realize that in a battle against Islam we need to make allegiances to defeat the enemy, however we have to understand that the threat to society comes not only from theistic authoritarian ideologies but also from atheistic ones.
Hitler’s Germany was one where Christianity was despised, Islam and atheism were his guides.
Inevitably, the way that the thinking of young ones in our nation’s universities are being rapidly transformed, Christians will soon be fighting a two pronged battle against both Islam and atheism.
I hope you bring this guest back to debate a inalienable former atheist like David Wood… It would sure change this lad’s perspective on Christianity.
Thanks.