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London Police threaten arrest for doing something legal for the wrong reasons

Mar 21, 2018 10:15 am By Robert Spencer

They withdrew the threat after being ridiculed, but it remains to be seen whether or not they will act upon it. Thoughtcrime such as believing that Islam is not a religion of peace is already getting people persecuted by British authorities. Britons have no reason not to expect much, much more of this. Criticism of Islam is swiftly being criminalized in Britain, in accord with Sharia. If Britain were a sane society, this would be enough to cause the fall of the government. But it isn’t.

“London Police Edit ‘Thought Crime’ Threat After Ridicule Online,” by Liam Deacon, Breitbart, March 20, 2018:

People can be “charged” with an “offence” if their actions are within the law but their “reasons for doing it” are perceived as illegal hate by others, London police have said, before withdrawing the claim.

Social media users began drawing attention to the Metropolitan force’s new, and highly unusual, definition of a ‘hate crime’ on the 16th of this month. It remained like that until the 18th, according to Google cache, before the police edited it again on Monday.

The definition did not match that given by the College of Policing or Crown Prosecution Service, and critics online claimed it could be read as a threat against “thought crimes”.

Breitbart London asked the Metropolitan Police for comment on their change of heart over hate crime, but no reply had been received at the time of publication.

“London’s Metropolitan Police inform you that you can be arrested for doing something that isn’t illegal, if someone else thinks you had bad thoughts while doing it,” joked U.S. commentator Jeff Jacoby.

“In 21st century Britain you could be charged with a hate crime, if ANYONE THINKS your actions could have been motivated by hate,” added another Twitter user.

“The Met seems to imply that a person can face two charges, one for the assault, and another for ‘their reasons for doing it.’ That is not true,” added criminal barrister Matthew Scott in an extensive blog post.

He explained that “although there are some cases where doing an act is illegal irrespective of your state of mind, there are no cases where your state of mind can make you guilty of an offence if you don’t actually do anything capable of amounting to a crime”.

Mr. Scott accused the Met of writing “gobbledegook” and argued that “a badly written website misleads the public and damages the reputation of the Metropolitan Police”….

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  1. balafama says

    Mar 21, 2018 at 10:24 am

    same reason the judge used in convicting count dankula

    • mortimer says

      Mar 21, 2018 at 11:50 am

      The UK police college made the following EXTRAORDINARY ADMISSION in its document ‘Hate Crime Operational Guidance”:

      “1.2.1 Monitored hate crime
      THERE IS NO CRIMINOLOGICAL CONSENSUS on the definition OR EVEN THE VALIDITY of the concept of HATE CRIME, but it is important that this policy has a framework. This section defines the areas for monitored hate crime.”

      CONCLUSION: THE POLICE COLLEGE DOES NOT RECOGNIZE THE CONCEPT OF “HATE CRIME”.

    • mortimer says

      Mar 21, 2018 at 2:32 pm

      HOW TO LIVE LIKE A DHIMMI – MESSAGE TO BRITISH COPS – ENJOY the PACT OF OMAR !!!

      https://youtu.be/CmA4lsxYJ1Q

      • mortimer says

        Mar 21, 2018 at 2:34 pm

    • David says

      Mar 21, 2018 at 3:26 pm

      The UK is gone.

      • Anne Smith says

        Mar 22, 2018 at 7:51 am

        Most of this rubbish comes from the indoctrination courses run by Common Purpose.

        Attendance on a Common Purpose course is now seen as almost obligatory if you want to elevate your career in the Police, or Local Government or politics of any sort.

        Common Purpose is steadily ruining our once great country.

        • thesailor says

          Mar 23, 2018 at 5:44 am

          Yes. I think there is an awful lot more of it than we realise. For those not yet aware of this insidious threat I suggest Pat Condell’s videos:

          https://youtu.be/WJzDmZDfQI8

    • BC says

      Mar 23, 2018 at 6:56 am

      Of course we cannot expect to see Muslim clerics accused of thought crime despite the fact the call for the death of non believers very time they utter sermons

  2. Mac-101 says

    Mar 21, 2018 at 10:28 am

    Commin to America soon, Vote Donkey or RINO to insure it.
    .
    It is 1984 on da Animal Farm in the Brave New World at a Toasty 451*F!

  3. Beagle says

    Mar 21, 2018 at 10:29 am

    The Met posting shows every Kafkaesque and Orwellian authoritarian aspect law can have. A subjective test of a vague rule can be enforced for any behavior. There is no safe harbor. As a legal matter, the prudent advice would be to avoid any interaction with anyone, but don’t make it obvious you’re avoiding engagement. That could also be criminal.

    • Guy Forester says

      Mar 21, 2018 at 12:32 pm

      Looks to me like a test run to see if anyone was paying attention. If not, then there would be a few test run arrests to see if they would fly in court. At this point, MET backed down. Watch for a rerun with new words, but same meaning.

      “If we can find a way to shut you up and keep you from awakening others, you are TOAST.” How is that for a “Not Brave New World?”

  4. elee says

    Mar 21, 2018 at 10:32 am

    There are good reasons for having legislators rather than police officers write legislation. The reasons are based in lots of experiences of what happens when the police create ad hoc laws in the heat of the moment. These reasons are embodied in a lot of American Constitutional doctrines. Pay attention, Britain, before you start locking people up for telling the truth like the French are doing with Marie LePen.

    • Guy Forester says

      Mar 21, 2018 at 12:35 pm

      Dear Elee,

      Unfortunately, here in the land of the previously free, we see legislatures enact feel good laws all the time in response to a demand to “do something.” All that is accomplished is further destruction of the Bill of Rights.

      Furthermore, as Mr. Spencer has documented on JW, people are currently in jail in the UK for daring to attempt to speak up.

  5. Sentinel says

    Mar 21, 2018 at 10:36 am

    The UK is re-introducing blasphemy laws, but only relating to Islam not Christianity, and are just a step away from making apostasy an offence. Quite how any offence can be determined when it relates to thoughts alone but there is a historic precedent whereby witches were convicted if they were thrown into a pond and floated. If they sank and drowned they were innocent, All they need is to appoint is an Islamophobia Finder General.

  6. Japetto Danatelli says

    Mar 21, 2018 at 10:43 am

    British law enforcement remind of that old Jack-in-box when I was a kid. You just turn their little muslim crank and “Pop goes the weasel!” There’s little intelligence in their reaction to conservative views, it’s simply a mechanical over-response to a miss-perceived threat. We conservatives who voice rational opinions about muslim immigration and violent jihad are not the threat, it’s the jihadis and the islamic doctrine that inspires them that is killing, raping, and terrorizing. But they are too feckless to tackle the real problem, so they humiliate themselves instead with foolish policing that most children wouldn’t try. It so pains me to say this, but Britain is finished without a revolution in thought and action. I really mean this, this is truly the end of freedom in Britanistan.

    • mortimer says

      Mar 21, 2018 at 11:56 am

      They want to arrest you if you are RUDE to a Muslim. THAT IS CALLED DHIMMITUDE !!!

      Dhimmitude is defined as “a behavior dictated by FEAR (of terrorism), PACIFISM when aggressed, rather than resistance, SERVILITY because of cowardice and vulnerability. … By their PEACEFUL SURRENDER to the Islamic army, they obtained the security for their life, belongings and religion, but they had to accept a condition of INFERIORITY, spoliation and HUMILIATION. As they were forbidden to possess weapons and give testimony against a Muslim, they were put in a position of vulnerability and humility.”

      • Japetto Danatelli says

        Mar 21, 2018 at 12:15 pm

        You described the situation perfectly, Mortimer. Britain isn’t educating their citizens in mutual respect for each other, they are conditioning the public for a new era of muslim superiority. The ruling class have adopted islam’s totalitarian method of total control over its people, no more thinking for oneself, you must respect islam so much that you disrespect and humiliate yourself. I fear that such treatment of good people will not come with out serious and painful consequences. Civil war is not unlikely.

    • Guy Forester says

      Mar 21, 2018 at 12:38 pm

      Japetto,

      Can you get someone to photo shop either a May or Merkel head/face on that thing?

      • Japetto Danatelli says

        Mar 21, 2018 at 1:02 pm

        lol, oh my gosh, you are so creative! I wish I had thought of that! I could have froze the video right after the clown popped up and edited in a pic of Merkel! haha! You are brilliant!

        However, I don’t feel at liberty to do so, I try rather hard to respect copyright and that’s not my video. There’s been problems with this before with vid owners claiming their stuff is getting misused that way. And if I alter that video then I am definitely in violation of copyright. I’m sure I sound like a namby-pamby chicken-sh*t, but I know I’d be ticked off if someone stole my videos and created derivative works without my permission. What makes it worse is some may resent their vids getting posted in a racist bigoted islamophobic site like this one, wink wink. So I need to be extra careful. 🙂

        • Guy Forester says

          Mar 21, 2018 at 1:09 pm

          Thanks for the laugh! Unfortunately, I am not a techno wizard or I would have tried to come up with something myself.

    • Bill says

      Mar 21, 2018 at 3:35 pm

      I read somewhere that a significant number of police are assigned to sit and surf computers all day looking for online “hate crimes”. Now there is one sweet civil service job. Then they go out an visit people who voice online concerns about violent Islam, Sharia and muslims.

      I wonder if it could simply be that the vast majority of the British police are basically cowards? They only confront the law abiding for their alleged trumped up “hate crimes” , prevent them from speaking and prefer charges. At they same time they pointedly ignore all manner of of anti-infidel “hate speech”, and stabbings, beatings, murders, rapes and rape gangs. Confronting those crimes takes a certain kind of courage, the kind that perhaps British police no longer possess.

      • Guy Forester says

        Mar 21, 2018 at 9:11 pm

        Mr. Bill,
        Please consider this:

        1. The law abiding citizens of the UK are disarmed
        2. The law abiding citizens are becoming disenfranchised
        3. The law abiding citizens of the UK do not behead soldiers, stab police, run over anyone intentionally, bomb public venues, riot, loot, or burn.
        4. Only select police are armed
        5. The predominate culture right now is a largely leftist snowflake dominant generation, with no connection with, nor apparently any knowledge or interest in the sacrifices and courage of the WW2 generation.
        6. Political correctness, fear of the MSM, and love of OPEC oil money now control our so called leaders.
        7. Who really knows who is counting the ballots during elections?

        These are my opinions based upon life experiences and observations. I hope this helps.

      • Anne Smith says

        Mar 22, 2018 at 7:53 am

        Not so much cowards as bone idle. Much easier to sit in the warmth and scoff buns, drink coffee and gaze at a computer all day.

        Much easier than going out and arresting rioting Muslims who feel aggrieved by free speakers.

        • dsinc says

          Mar 22, 2018 at 11:36 am

          They are cowards, they are sh*t scared of the Muslims, so is the government.

  7. Nige31 says

    Mar 21, 2018 at 11:22 am

    Ok here goes. I live in the UK and I hate:
    soggy toast
    under cooked chips
    fatty meat
    tripe
    chili flavoured cheese
    Adolf Hitler because he was anti-Semitic, amongst other things
    Islam because it is anti-Semitic, amongst other things
    So which particular hate crime am I going to be arrested for? The first five are subjective and so cannot be proven. The last two are objective and can be proven by quoting from Mein Kamph and the Koran.
    So come on – I’m waiting for that knock on the door.

    • Guy Forester says

      Mar 21, 2018 at 12:41 pm

      And I absolutely detest greasy, mushy, nearly fishless “fish & chips.” I also hate these fake fish & chips since they are not served in traditional newsprint.

      Does this mean I will end up being put in jail when I arrive in Heathrow?

      • garbut says

        Mar 21, 2018 at 8:25 pm

        No…..You will be executed for treasonous comments about our National dish.

        • Guy Forester says

          Mar 21, 2018 at 9:13 pm

          AAARGH!
          🙁

      • Brother Charles says

        Mar 22, 2018 at 10:30 am

        It will come to a point where all non muslims will boycott takeaways ,taxi,s Kebab shops ,and any business to do with people they do not get along with ? And it should happen sooner than later .
        It is not against the law to by pass the apples ( BOYCOTT ) in a shop and buy the Bananas ,Just because you do not like the apples . Is that an hate crime against the APPLE ? Wher eis the line being drawn ,.

  8. HugoHackenbush says

    Mar 21, 2018 at 11:27 am

    I will be spending my vacation dollars in the USA thank you.

    • Anne Smith says

      Mar 22, 2018 at 7:53 am

      Suggest you avoid Dearborn.

      • Guy Forester says

        Mar 22, 2018 at 2:26 pm

        And Chicago, LA, and San Francisco. San Diego is heading downhill also.

  9. mortimer says

    Mar 21, 2018 at 11:43 am

    Thank God for barrister Matthew Scott!

    There’s a song in the musical ‘GUYS AND DOLLS’ that goes “Brother, you can’t arrest a man for what he’s thinkin'”.

    Yes, in the UK the METROPOLITAN POLICE have decided THEY CAN ARREST YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE THINKING … or for what they GUESS, SURMISE, INTUIT or SUSPECT you MIGHT BE THINKING.

    How does the MET plan to determine what someone is THINKING?

    Will the MET now get MINDREADING DEVICES and strap them onto people to DETERMINE WHAT THEY ARE THINKING?

    Absurd !!! … With such ABSURDITY, the MET makes itself a LAUGHINGSTOCK … if this were not so sinister!

  10. mortimer says

    Mar 21, 2018 at 11:52 am

    This comes from SADIQ KHAN who wants to arrest you if you RUDE TO A MUSLIM.

    This is DHIMMITUDE.

  11. Mccode says

    Mar 21, 2018 at 11:53 am

    When one considers the direction that ‘law enforcement’ is heading in the UK and the censorship of free speech, both on line and in real life, it doesn’t seem unreasonable that even having access to websites such as JW and others will be blocked, similar to how China filters Internet usage.

    I fear it is coming to that.

  12. Sentinel says

    Mar 21, 2018 at 12:09 pm

    The fundamental flaw in the concept was that it was more of a fatwa than anything that any court could take seriously.

    How could the police have been so foolish ? Presumably it had nothing to do with Sadiq Khan’s visit to the USA where he was trying to promote his clampdown on free speech.

  13. Steve K says

    Mar 21, 2018 at 12:10 pm

    Britain has become a disgusting leftist fascist country. Intellligent Englishpersons should be deeply ashamed.

    • Anne Smith says

      Mar 22, 2018 at 7:54 am

      Don’t worry we are. Some of us actually attend talks and challenge the left wing thinkers. Do you?

  14. Guy Forester says

    Mar 21, 2018 at 12:47 pm

    What happened to the MEN that fought to save the UK from the Hun and Nazi hordes? Oh, sorry, they lie in Flanders fields and similar locations, or have long since passed on to their rest.

    The blue collar jobs that helped make England an industrial giant are long gone and sent to the sweat shops and gulags of China and Asia. People may not realize this, but that hard factory work also made real men, as did the family farms (now being replaced by industrial farming).

    • Jayell says

      Mar 21, 2018 at 5:09 pm

      Whatever has happened to British MEN, full stop? Like Sweden, the U.K. has deteriorated into an anti-British fascist malevolent matriarchy where the rule of law has been corrupted into an obscene engine of legalised repression against its menfolk.
      1. The feminist-inspired, blatantly corrupt CPS policy on rape allegations is a sick international androphobic joke, as are the divorce and family courts. Strange that all this ‘progressive’, ‘high-minded’ trash is conveniently ignored where Muslims are involved, though!
      2. Why has a blatantly unfair, pro-female prison sentencing policy been allowed to persist, even though it has been glaringly obvious fo decades?
      3. How precisely does one explain ‘women-only’ parliamentary short lists in a free democracy committed to equality of opportunity for each of its citizens regardless of gender?
      4. Why is there a governmental ‘women’s’ minister’ but no ‘men’s minister’; or, even more ridiculous, an ‘Equalities Minister’ doubling as a ‘Women’s Minister’?
      5. Why do we get all the incessant belly-aching about ‘women in boardrooms’ (which should be based on individual ability alone) when there has barely been a mention of the way in which women have been allowed to dominate the education system where gender DOES matter to the consumer (the pupils); and why has the connection between this and the increasing failure of boys in schools and universities conveniently ‘not been noticed’, despite the well-documented psychological evidence that the average male routinely scores about 4 IQ points higher than the average female, and even greater at University level?
      6. Why was blatant feminist propaganda allowed to be incorporated into the UK GCSE History syllabus, and no doubt elsewhere?
      7. Why has it never been publicised that well over 80% of the UK’s NHS budget is routinely spent on women whilst there is also suppressed evidence that specifically male health issues are routinely neglected?
      8. Why has the connection between the increasing failure of the British GP system and the increasing proportion of relatively uncommitted female doctors been swept under the carpet?
      9. Why has the concept of ‘equality’ been promoted in the armed forces, emergency services and other professions where physical strength is vital, when it is well documented that the average 20-year-old fit female has the physical ability of the average 55-year-old male? And why are these females then promoted to senior positions when they clearly have inferior specific capabilities? How does society expect these services to perform adequately when they are not appropriately staffed?
      10. Why are the concepts of gender-exclusivity and gender-inclusivity not applied in an impartial fashion in schools and youth organisations, where in the UK the Boy Scouts and Cub organisations have been compelled to include girls, but Guides and Brownies have been allowed to retain all-female status on the grounds that ‘girls require their own space’. Don’t boys have that right? And why are there at least 20% more all-girls schools than all-boys schools, especially in the light of boys deteriorating performance in the education system?
      11. Why is there a glaringly obvious pro-female bias in the media? Why are there ‘women’s’ sections’ in certain UK national newspapers when there are already a ridiculous number of specifically ‘women’s’ magazines and barely any specifically ‘men’s’ magazines, and why is the BBC’s ‘Woman’s Hour’ still running in this age of ‘equality’? Why is there an excessive number of female presenters on the BBC and elsewhere?
      12. Why do feminist-inspired claims of pay inequality routinely ignore the transparently unequal demands of, or performance in, jobs that logically and properly result in the differentials in rewards, and why should men be expected to be UNDERpaid where such a discrepancy can be shown to exist? A glaringly obvious example example of this can be seen at the Wimbledon tennis tournament, where females demanded equal prize money despite doing only 60% of the work that the men do, and arguably of inferior entertainment value, and attracting only about 25% of the gate receipts; furthermore, by having to spend less time playing these matches, were at an unfair advantage to earn more money elsewhere. But, strangely, all this has never been mentioned. And this is just one example.

      You don’t need the IQ of a Ph.D. candidate nor a library the size of the British Museum to discover that the achievements of the West, and the U.K. In particular, have overwhelmingly been the results of the efforts and dedication of its men. And that the author of the philosophical basis of it all (Jesus Christ) was a man. Bearing in mind the recent gender-related trends in Western society, it should be obvious why it is all now falling to pieces. It is however unfortunate to reflect that its ruin is being hastened by a pseudo-religious ideological monstrosity created by a somewhat different quality of ‘man’ – aided and abetted, apparently, by women.

      OK, so now for the flak!

      • Guy Forester says

        Mar 21, 2018 at 9:19 pm

        Jayell,

        How dare you ask such questions and point out facts? You might awaken some sheeple! We can’t have that, can we?

        Otherwise, great post!

  15. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Mar 21, 2018 at 1:13 pm

    Britain should adopt a constitution, that way people could speak freely without… oh, wait a minute, we here in America *do* have our Constitution, with the First Amendment, and free speech is being systematically shut down here.

    Never mind. I got mixed up there for a minute.

    • MoInTheKnow says

      Mar 22, 2018 at 4:46 am

      You should look at article 61 of The Magna Carter which implies lawful rebellion.
      You/We can legally stop treasonous acts by Crown agents/employees.

      This is a truism in English Common Law.

  16. No Muzzies Here says

    Mar 21, 2018 at 1:29 pm

    This is not a sincere “Change of heart.” In a few weeks, the London Gestapo will go back to arresting people for their thoughts. This is what you get when you elect a Muslim.

  17. Grrrrrrrrr...... says

    Mar 21, 2018 at 2:12 pm

    The UK police is totally corrupt. So you better watch out. I even expect them to fabricate evidence against you to frame you.
    They are so filthy and corrupt that they even arrested a father who tracked down the muslim rapists of his daughter and called the police! There are thousands of cases of rapes by muslims like the one where a nail was driven through the tongue of a young girl to pin her to a table while fifty muslims were waiting outside in line to rape her. Such are the outrageous and disgusting cases where the police do absolutely nothing except treat the poor girls as prostitutes. Not even the hospital where the girls need treatment does anything, so shame on them too.
    Don’t trust the police! They are not your friend, not part of your community, but a total disgrace.
    On jihadwatch the other day: Officers parading around in high heels while ignoring crime:
    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/10/uk-policemen-parade-around-in-high-heels-and-paint-their-nails-as-jihad-terrorists-plot

  18. LeftisruiningCanada says

    Mar 21, 2018 at 2:25 pm

    This kind of ‘law’ would still be terrible even if it wasn’t only going to be used against people opposing islam.

  19. Z says

    Mar 21, 2018 at 3:35 pm

    So the British police admits that they’re abusing their powers

    • Bill says

      Mar 21, 2018 at 6:42 pm

      Only against the defenseless and law abiding citizens. The exercise no powers against rapists, thugs and criminals.

  20. WPM says

    Mar 21, 2018 at 7:14 pm

    The rapist are family clubs and are Islamic a protect species in the Uk . It is easier with less confrontation to arrest some grandmother who complaints on the web that the Islamic “refugees” are harassing her calling her a whore when she walks her dog without her head and arms covered. Lets have a army of police officers surfing the web for hate speech while the streets go unprotected.

  21. Matthieu Baudin says

    Mar 21, 2018 at 9:18 pm

    If the U.K. government expects it’s citizenry and people in far away lands to appreciate it’s principled approach to dealing with the clandestine actions of foreign states on its soil, then it should do a u-turn in it’s policy of ever increasing censorship against it’s own population. Totalitarianism ensures compliance but is the sure route to the destruction of civil society.

  22. Lydia Church says

    Mar 22, 2018 at 2:05 am

    islam is evil.

    That is my statement everywhere and at all times, unashamedly.

  23. kouldb says

    Mar 22, 2018 at 2:08 am

    The rise of the totalitarian state.

  24. MFritz says

    Mar 22, 2018 at 2:34 am

    The very same “logic” they used on Count Dankula (Mark Meecham).

  25. UNCLE VLADDI says

    Mar 22, 2018 at 5:17 am

    Canadian “law” has ALWAYS been like this, in that if you get sued for defamation, the main thing the court looks at is if you were telling the truth out of “malice” or not!

    • Guy Forester says

      Mar 22, 2018 at 2:33 pm

      That was one of the reasons we have a First Amendment in the US Constitution Bill of Rights. Look up Peter Zenger.

  26. Gjallarhornet says

    Mar 23, 2018 at 2:59 pm

    So if you pay your taxes, having the hope that the British government uses your money to fight islamic terrorism you have suddenly done something illegal? Well, of convicted at least you should have your money back?

    I braked my car yesterday for an old lady crossing the street. I was fantasizing about having all the pedestrians like her joining up in an anti-islamic alliance. My motives for stopping were thus pure islamophopbia:: I did want to hurt possible members of the coming crusade, so I drove carefully Should I go to jail?

    • Gjallarhornet says

      Mar 23, 2018 at 3:00 pm

      Typo: It should read: “I did NOT want to hurt”. That was kind of the whole point ….

  27. Infidel says

    Mar 25, 2018 at 5:39 am

    Not even Stalin or Hitler, in their wildest dreams, would have thought of criminalizing thought.
    This is a first for British police.
    Next thing the force will be running a Mao Tse Tung style cultural revolution.

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