“According to the law, the call for annihilation constitutes incitement to violence. Naturally, I know that the preacher merely recites supplications he knows by heart, and does not realize that this might be seen as incitement to violence, or anything.”
This is not reform or “moderate Islam.” He is not calling for the prayers for the annihilation of the Jews to be discarded. He is just calling upon imams to be more careful about cameras and microphones when reciting them. There have been numerous incidents recently of imams in the U.S. and Canada calling for Allah to kill the Jews; this imam is trying to stop the PR damage, which has been minimal in any case, since to report fully on such matters would be “Islamophobic.”
“NJ Imam Mohamed Moussa: We Have Started a Workshop Training U.S. Imams How to Avoid Incitement and Hate Speech,” MEMRI, February 2, 2018:
During his February 2 Friday sermon at the North Hudson Islamic Educational Center in New Jersey, Imam Mohamed Moussa, Secretary-General of the Tri-State Islamic Council, called on preachers and Islamic teachers to be mindful of what they say in sermons and schools and to avoid anything that could be considered incitement to violence. His remarks came against the backdrop of several inciting Friday sermons, including from the New Jersey area, published by MEMRI in recent months. Imam Moussa warned that there are “institutions of Islamophobia” with “budgets in the millions, whose only job is [to monitor] us,” and said that “every [Islamic] institution must make sure that anyone speaking on its behalf… is knowledgeable, informed, and responsible.” He suggested that mosques be required to only hire preachers who have been instructed by the Tri-State Islamic Council on what they are allowed and not allowed to say. The Tri-State Islamic Council invited all the imams in the area to a workshop on this issue that was held on February 1. Imam Moussa said that 45 imams attended the successful workshop. He further said that the supplications to Allah to “count [the Jews] one by one, disperse them to the very last one, and not leave a single one of them” – which many preachers recite by heart – are illegal in America and should disappear from the sermons. Imam Moussa’s sermon was posted on the NHIEC YouTube channel.
Following is a transcript:
Mohamed Moussa: Setting our priorities straight had an effect on our Islamic discourse in this country. I am saying this because there are entire organizations with budgets in the millions, whose only job is [to monitor] us. These are called “institutions of Islamophobia”. Their job is to monitor everything that we say. There are no longer any hidden mosques, schools, or even small study groups. Out of the blue you find yourself in the mainstream media, and even though you may be preaching in a small mosque, you are harming the entire American Muslim community. It happens all of a sudden. You don’t even notice it.
We need to set our priorities straight, so that our discourse becomes more disciplined. Ever since President Trump announced that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, and that the U.S. embassy would be moved there, the feelings of Muslims have undoubtedly been inflamed. Therefore, [preachers] who are not skilled speakers have spoken badly.
In this country, you enjoy total freedom. However, this freedom ends where the rights of others begin. In other words, this freedom ends if you rip the social fabric of society, by attacking a minority or a certain religion, for example. If you attack a minority or a certain religion, this is defined by the law and the constitution as hate speech. It might even be considered a hate crime, if it contains incitement to murder or to violence.
The congregation is undoubtedly a source of pressure on the imams and preachers at the mosques. Many imams and preachers in mosques and teachers in [Islamic] schools give in to the pressure of the common people. An imam like that wants to please the people, so he delivers undisciplined fiery sermons. Then he finds himself in a dilemma: either he is forced to apologize publicly – or the Muslims are forced to apologize on his behalf or to disavow him – or else Islamophobia will exploit this to make much greater strides.
After [Trump’s] declaration, some preachers… As I said, about 2,000 or 2,300 preachers and imams deliver sermons in the U.S., and only six preachers were found [delivering inciting sermons]… Six imams is nothing, but they were used in a lot of propaganda. All the newspapers wrote about them, and the entire media spoke about them. They described the Jews in words that were considered to be hate speech. Furthermore, what some of them said in their supplications could have been interpreted as incitement to violence against that minority. Now there are calls to monitor the mosques, and to deny the preachers any immunity if something like this happens. The New York Post published an extensive article about this. The media has been dealing with this ever since, and this has caused many problems.
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As I told you, six out of 2,000 spoke in an irresponsible manner. Now, the New York Post is saying that it was a grave mistake to succumb to pressure and stop the NYC mosque monitoring program. In other words, they want to monitor everything that’s going on in the mosques. Tomorrow, they might move on to the schools, and say that these Islamist schools produce potential terrorists, and people who hate our society, all because of videos that might emerge from these schools of teachers who thought they were speaking behind closed doors. This way, the money, blood, and expertise we have invested in these schools will become at risk. Tomorrow, they might tell us to close those schools. What are we going to do? It will all be done in keeping with the law.
So every [Islamic] institution must make sure that anyone speaking on its behalf – I am not speaking for myself, right now… They must make sure that anyone speaking on their behalf is knowledgeable, informed, and responsible. Responsible! Otherwise, all the Muslims will pay the price, especially in the coming days.
Yesterday, we conducted a full-day workshop by the [Tri-State] Imams Council. We invited imams and teachers in Islamic schools. About 45 people accepted our invitation. The workshop lasted about six hours, 10:30 to 16:30. We discussed everything: legal perspectives, the characteristics of religious discourse, and what you should and should not say. There were many questions yesterday. Many questions! Everybody who attended benefited from the workshop, Allah be praised. At the [Tri-State] Imams Council, of which I have the honor to be Secretary-General, we demand that no mosque appoints any imam before he obtains a certificate from us that states that he sat down with us, and received an explanation about what he should and should not say. Otherwise, the mosque will be held responsible.
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I have followed all the articles on this subject. Most of the [cases of incitement] were quoted from the supplications. You know, sometimes when we get to the supplications… Our sheikhs remember supplications by heart, and they just recite them. So they start saying: “Oh Allah, count them one by one, disperse them to the very last one, and do not leave a single one of them”. Naturally, people say “Amen”, and then they write [in the press] that the people got all excited, and that they agree to this and want Him to annihilate [the Jews]. According to the law, the call for annihilation constitutes incitement to violence. Naturally, I know that the preacher merely recites supplications he knows by heart, and does not realize that this might be seen as incitement to violence, or anything.
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We should be mindful of what we say. This is prayer, not war. I am not declaring war against anyone. These negative supplications should disappear from our mosques. Who are we cursing? There are Jews standing next to us in our demonstrations. There are Christians in Palestine and elsewhere who support the cause. Why should I curse them? Why? What have they done?
Ashley says
Good video. Kudos to the individual behind the camera for releasing this gem.
I bet New Jersey Imam Mohamed Moussa is pretty pissed off that his little sermon about avoiding detection is now featured here on JW!
Andy says
Let’s see if this New Jersey imam can tell where this chicken is from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOWW9s-MZx0
mortimer says
World Anti-Semitism Index : Muslims are Number 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvmKNtffobE
mortimer says
Toronto Mosque Kill them one by one
https://youtu.be/5MtYaJkCvsI
gravenimage says
Hating Jews is one of the only things where Muslims are #1…
Vlad Tepes says
To Mortimer who posted the Toronto Star video. I would suggest reading the Honest Reporting article(s) on this event. The Star hired translators who had been convicted for doing fake translations to cover this sort of thing before. It was a well choreographed attempt to exonerate this imam from his very deliberate and heart felt words.
Do check the Honest reporting site. They did a thorough and honest, scientific and reason based analysis on the Star Apologia.
Andy says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBgTkYq2VKY
President Donald J. Trump Delivers a Message for Passover and Easter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrcrcrYWRn0
gravenimage says
True, Ashley!
Ashley says
Thanks, Graven.
I like when this esteemed Inman bitched about nosy folks inquiring about children being educated behind “closed doors” in Islamic schools.
What the hell are they teaching?
I doubt it is math, spelling, or science.
PRCS says
“all because of videos that might emerge from these schools of teachers who thought they were speaking behind closed doors.”
The gist of his sermon was not lost on his “flock”. They, too, know he’s not renouncing or denouncing those of Islam’s texts which incite–even command–murder and violence. Rather, just to not cite them where the intended victims can hear them.
gravenimage says
So true.
mortimer says
Give us victory over a disbelieving people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13WTFjcZWes
PRCS says
As always, the willing “flock”.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
The “discipline” he is talking about is taquiyya. He admits that the verses (supplications) from the Koran are hate speech and counter to the law. He is against the citing of the supplications because it creates bad publicity and hurts the uhma, NOT because they are wrong. He never denies their truth in his eyes. All the more reason to continue keeping an eye on them.
And it is ironic that the word “islamophobia” has found its way into Arabic.
Ashley says
+1.
The only words I could decipher were “Islamophobia” and “Trump.” The rest of the speech sounded like a cat pinned under the wheels of a bicycle.
Save Europe says
Spot on ?
Niemoller says
“Muslims pay the price” translates to jihadists murder and rape, and an imam complains of faux Islamophobia.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Niemoller.
herbert says
Actually my focus was on the following comments he made which really is a tribute to American values. Too bad condescending Europe can’t imbue the same. Perhaps this is the seed of reformation
“In this country, you enjoy total freedom. However, this freedom ends where the rights of others begin. In other words, this freedom ends if you rip the social fabric of society, by attacking a minority or a certain religion, for example. If you attack a minority or a certain religion, this is defined by the law and the constitution as hate speech. It might even be considered a hate crime, if it contains incitement to murder or to violence.”
“We should be mindful of what we say. This is prayer, not war. I am not declaring war against anyone. These negative supplications should disappear from our mosques. Who are we cursing? There are Jews standing next to us in our demonstrations. There are Christians in Palestine and elsewhere who support the cause. Why should I curse them? Why? What have they done?
Karen says
Herbert, I also was impressed by the nod to our free and democratic social order. Anyone who wants to embrace American social and political life receives my full approval and welcome. But … in reference to his closing statements, I have deep concern; I *don’t* stand in support of his cause in Palestine. Does that mean he curses me, or declares war on me? That is my clear reading of his statement. Only the imam knows what is in his heart, and for that and other reasons (including the chilling “Explanatory Memorandum” self-describing the Muslim Brotherhood’s plans for North America) I will remain extremely cautious. In my mind, Islamic leadership here and throughout the West has much to prove.
herbert says
Agree
gravenimage says
Herbert and Karen, this is not really a tribute to decent American values–just a careful note that Muslims should not openly run afoul of our values until they have the power to do so.
Here is Imam Mohamed Moussa, urging Muslims to wage “social Jihad” by infiltrating security and the armed services:
“‘Social Jihad’: Why a New Jersey Imam is Calling on American Muslims to Join the U.S. Army, FBI and CIA”
https://www.theblaze.com/news/2015/12/29/social-jihad-why-a-new-jersey-imam-is-calling-on-american-muslims-to-join-the-u-s-army-fbi-and-cia
herbert says
Fair enough. However, it is still a small advance over Europe.
Ashley says
I vote this the BEST LINK EVER!
Thank you, Graven!
I like “Muslims should become U.S. police officers, Moussa added, because they have the cultural sensitivity to know “the right way to treat our women and daughters.”
gravenimage says
Yes–very ugly.
herbert says
Just saw this. Thought it was interesting
http://www.jpost.com/International/Saudi-crown-prince-meets-with-US-Jewish-groups-and-is-attacked-547478
Karen says
Yes, he’s been making the rounds. He was just on 60 Minutes, saying that all that Wahhabism they’ve been exporting around the globe was just a nice favor per request of the West. So, he may have his good points, but until he proves me wrong, I’m assuming he is also a bit of a liar. Time will tell; he also has a lot to prove, imo. 🙂
Karen says
“Social Jihad”….sheesh … disturbing. We cannot let our guard down for one second.
J D S says
Error…user name should be J D S don’t know how the extra letters got in there.
KJW says
Verbally “Attacking a minority or religion” is not covered by the Constitution. You get to practice your religion without fear from the government. The thing is, the holy books have all this, so it’s just as easy to pass handouts with verses from the Sunnah. It’s not as dramatic as a fiery imam, though. What about their daily salats against the disbelievers? What about when they do their mass street prayers? Perhaps I should complain about being offended…
Gary says
“To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.”
gravenimage says
New Jersey imam starts workshop to train imams not get caught on camera praying for genocide of Jews
………………………..
Just another form of fooling the Infidels–until Muslims come to power and drop the mask.
Andy says
The mask has already been dropped, We know exactly what is going to happen if moslems become a majority.
It’s is we who are the fools to continue letting them fool us.
gravenimage says
True, Andy. I just meant even Taqiyya artists like this Imam will drop the mask.
Certainly, anyone paying attention to Islamic history–and just the recent Jihad in the West–has seen enough to know what Islam has in store for us.
Still lots of fools in the West in complete denial, though.
Niemoller says
The bloodthirsty pervert imams incite islamorape and murder, but then like any organized criminal syndicate, they want respectability when they achieve a measure of success. They want to transition to a “genteel” form of slow genocide, draining the jizya, raping the dhimmi, e.g., what is found done to the Christian Copts in Egypt and Christians in any heavily Islamic region.
This is what the EU political quislings introduced to Europe, and why they must be held criminally responsible for cultural genocide.
Andy says
We have to keep the ball rolling on Islam, to educate people, about Islam. That it is not a “religion of peace”: but the complete opposite.
What I don’t understand gravenimage is how and why people keep voting into power, Politicians who don;t do what is right for the country.
I have always voted for the best interest of country at heart.
CogitoErgoSum says
They smile in the faces of the infidels, waiting for the time to stab them in the back. Note that the teacher tells his students they should hate walking down the streets outside filled with infidels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4D_OLm-RV4
Peter says
Tried to view the video but it said it has been disabled by the owner
CogitoErgoSum says
Peter, yes, this video has some restrictions. I can see inside a black box the words “Watch this video on YouTube.” I am able to click on those words and then I am taken to YouTube and the video there. I live in the U.S. Perhaps whether or not you can view the video depends upon the country in which you live.
gravenimage says
Thanks for that link–and kudos to the brave people who got that damning footage.
sidney penny says
great video -see it on youtube by clicking on watch this video
Sentinel says
They can’t get their head around the fact that to claim the protection of the law, they must first abide by it, and that our courts aren’t governed by Imams, not yet anyway.
One problem is that the footsteps of most terrorists can be tracked back to mosques and they will always come under scrutiny. In the West everything we do is under scrutiny, whether by CCTV or electronic devices, so any connection or incitement will be tracked. It’s not like life in Somalia or Afghanistan where they don’t have the facilities for this sort of investigation.
If that’s uncomfortable for them that’s their problem.
Eur says
Crawlers, traitors, fifth columnists, theocratic conspirators … Muslims.
Always remember New York, bataclan, Madrid, Barcelona, London, Belgium, Nice ….
mortimer says
Eur, you left out ‘two-faced’, duplicitous, double-minded’
Save Europe says
Manchester, Stocholm, Berlin, St Petersburg, Vienna etc etc
Georg says
“Islamophobic” institutions ensuring that you all not incite genocide… How oppressive.
mortimer says
Sooooooo…. New Jersey imam starts workshop to train imams not to get caught SPOUTING HATE SPEECH that will BLOW THEIR COVER !!! But most of the KORAN IS HATE SPEECH directed against Jews and the DIRTY KUFAAR.
– The grand total of Jew Hatred in KORAN = 10,242 words / 152,006 total words = 6.7% Jew hatred
– Total number of Jew Hatred VERSES in Koran: 123 verses Jew hatred
– 17% of Medinan Koran is Jew hatred
– 1% of Meccan Koran is Jew hatred
– 8.9% of hadiths are Jew hatred
– 12% of Sira is Jew hatred
– 9.3% of Islamic Trilogy is Jew hatred
– 7% of Mein Kampf is Jew hatred by comparison.
Of course, anyone who has read the PRIMARY ISLAMIC SOURCE TEXTS will KNOW that JEW HATRED is NORMATIVE ISLAM, rather than an aberration.
Niemoller says
If islamophobia is going to be a word (etymologically, it means fear of Islam, which is a rational point of view; what the pathetic illiterates mean to say is hatred of islam, which is islamisia) then so should the following words exist:
islamorapist
islamocriminal
islamomurderer
islamoterrorist
jihadomigrant
islamopervert
islamobigot
islamisogynist
mortimer says
And, Niemoller, be sure to include ‘ISLAMO-FASCIST’ next time and also ISLAMO-GENOCIDAL (the tendency of ISLAM to PROMOTE the genocide of dirty kafirs and non-Muslim ‘OTHERS’)
Niemoller says
Mortimer, good eye, how could I possibly have forgotten “islamofascist”?!? (Although now thinking about it, it’s quite redundant!)
Save Europe says
….and Koranderthal…..
mortimer says
There it is: “According to the law, the call for ANNIHILATION constitutes incitement to violence.”
This is an admission that the prescribed NORMATIVE prayers of Islam are GENOCIDAL, and not ‘peaceful’ or benign .
Calling for the physical ‘ANNIHILATION’ of people is called PROMOTING or ADVOCATING or SOLICITING GENOCIDE.
The fact that the PRAYER will not be REMOVED as NON-NORMATIVE shows the HYPOCRISY of Islam. It is the PRESTIGE or ‘HONOR’ of Islam that is important, rather than WHAT ISLAM ACTUALLY TEACHES … Islam teaches GENOCIDE.
ADhimmiSaysWhat? says
The problem with your statement is that it contains WAY too much reason and logic. Mainstream western societies no longer adhere to such ideas.
mortimer says
Toronto Mosque Kill them one by one
https://youtu.be/5MtYaJkCvsI
mortimer says
Toronto Masjid Prayers to ANNIHILATE DISBELIEVERS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13WTFjcZWes
PRCS says
As always, the willing “flock”.
Georg says
The Thought Police already taught us the only victims associated with that video are the genocidal leader and his buddies. We ought to be ashamed of ourselves for what they did.
tgusa says
In my younger days America was hunting down escaped nazi war criminals that had come here and tried to blend in. Now we import those who are even worse. My how things have changed, and not for the better. Way to go US government, we owe you a lot for what you have done.
UNCLE VLADDI says
Yes islam is the world’s oldest and largest ongoing global crime-gang.
If “our” politicians didn’t accept oil-money bribes and weren’t personally scared of being jihaded, and if our cops had the guts to disregard their illegal orders to ignore islam, then maybe we could ban it entirely.
Infidel says
In other words, he is asking them to hold back for a while.. till the numbers build up. I will never trust any of these fellows..
Baucent says
The MEMRI people do great work at turning up embarrassing video of Imams speaking truthfully about Islam. It appears this latest Imam’s main concern was not that their religion promoted obnoxious attitudes towards non believers, but rather that muslims should be wiser to hold their tongue when cameras were around.
Dishonest intent.
gravenimage says
Yes–they do great work.
saturnine says
That’s wrong. There is no such thing as hate speech in US law [1]. Imams who curse and denounce Jews face no legal consequences. And the appalling supplication about killing Jews hiding behind rocks and trees is almost certainly not actionable either, because it’s not a call for immediate violence and is obviously asinine.
The court of public opinion, however, is another matter.
[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/06/19/supreme-court-unanimously-reaffirms-there-is-no-hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment
Eric jones says
How about not praying for the genocide of Jews or anyone else? The perfidy of Islam.
Eric
AleX says
islam is compromised.
Sugar coating the traditional sermons or omit them altogether won’t solve or cover its hateful vector.
The funny part is: the only coherent citations that are consistent are the call to murder, solely based on religious belief of the ‘other’ (see ‘othering’ by Mortimer in Al Walaa Wal Baraa).
The rest of the islamic narrative is either circular reasoning or a babbling cr@p for retards.