There is a two-tier justice system in Pakistan, which essentially means that Christians and other non-Muslims rarely get justice. If there were any country in which Muslims were treated the way Christians are in Pakistan, there would be screaming international headlines for weeks or longer. But no one will take any particular note of this.
“Pakistani Court Frees 20 People Suspected of Burning Christians Alive in Industrial Kiln for ‘Blasphemy,’” Associated Press, March 24, 2018:
LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) – A Pakistani court has acquitted twenty people suspected of involvement in the lynching and burning alive of a Christian couple accused of blasphemy in 2014.
Shahzad Masih, 26, and Shama Shahzad, 24, brick factory workers and parents of three, were burned alive in an industrial kiln by a mob incited by accusations that the couple desecrated the Qu’ran in the town of Kot Radha Kishan.
Police arrested scores of villagers and a court in November 2016 sentenced five men to death while ten others were given varying jail terms.
Prosecutor Abdur Rauf says the court Saturday acquitted twenty suspects indicted in the case at a later stage….
LeftisruiningCanada says
There will be great honor for people like these two, in the Kingdom to come.
But the horror in this current kingdom…unimaginable.
Keys says
from Revelation regarding “the kingdom to come” and “the current kingdom”.
I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slaughtered because of the witness they bore to the word of God.
10
They cried out in a loud voice, “How long will it be, holy and true master,* before you sit in judgment and avenge our blood on the inhabitants of the earth?”
11
Each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to be patient a little while longer until the number was filled of their fellow servants and brothers who were going to be killed as they had been.
Lydia Church says
Amen!
LeftisruiningCanada says
Yes, thank you Keys.
And for all we know, one of those who stood by and watched may yet be of the elect and come to Christ. Such stories are not uncommon from the times of the Colosseum.
christianblood says
Pakistan is evil, satanic hellhole where Christians are routinely discriminated against, beaten, forced into conversions and marriages and murdered with impunity. Post-Christian US and the West are more concerned about pushing other countries to legalize “gay pride marches” over the slow genocide against Christians in Pakistan and Iraq and other islamic countries
and that is why they give many billions of dollars to Pakistan and are allied
with the head-chopping satanic Saudis where Christian is legal to this day!
gravenimage says
Trump has cut aid to Pakistan, and has issued warnings to the Saudis. Christianblood hopes that we haven’t noticed that.
gravenimage says
And I’m afraid that Pakistan is now turning to Russia:
“Pakistan turns to Russia and China after US military aid freeze”
https://www.ft.com/content/81aea830-0238-11e8-9650-9c0ad2d7c5b5
They’ve already bought helicopters from Russia. I *hope* Putin says no more.
balam says
May the WRATH OF GOD be on the MUSLIMS OF THE ISLAMIC STATE OF PAKISTAN!!!!
christianblood says
balam posted
(..May the WRATH OF GOD be on the MUSLIMS OF THE ISLAMIC STATE OF PAKISTAN!!!!..)
I say Amen to that and I add:
May the Wrath of God be on the US and other Western countries for being much more concerned the illegality of “gay pride marches” in other countries over the murderous religious genocide against Christians in the islamic world.
christianblood says
The materialistic and pro-islamic satanic West is much more concerned the illegality of “gay pride marches” in other countries over the murderous religious genocide against Christians in the islamic world! THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS AND EVIL!
balam says
The poor victim Shamma which means {light} was my niece and I could do nothing for the poor couple.
gravenimage says
Yes–Christianblood has said before that he finds gay parades more objectionable than Muslims waging violent Jihad.
LeftisruiningCanada says
CB: It seems to me that Russia has had it’s times in history when nasty ideas held sway, just as we in the West see our nations being influenced by ideas that we would much rather not have leading the way now.
balam: Is that so?
christianblood says
balam posted
(..The poor victim Shamma which means {light} was my niece and I could do nothing for the poor couple..)
You are right, balam! Shamma means light from candles! what I can do is to cry with you you and to pray to God that He destroys islam and its international supporters! Amen!
christianblood says
balam
Keep fighting back for your dead Pakistani Christian relatives.
Pray against the evil islam and its Western supporters! Carry the cross, Speak out the truth an never, ever compromise!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b11-37Me_a4
J D (Steve) Stephenson says
I would hope that all of the free world would be up in arms for this, another muslim, atrocity, against Christians..There should be plenty so called blasphemy against their prophet, their so called religion,their book of hate, the Koran and the Muslims themselves, by all those who love freedom……All those people who claim to be Christians,and hopefully are, should be appalled but also should be doing SOMETHING.
gravenimage says
Pakistan: Court frees 20 Muslims suspected of burning Christian couple alive in industrial kiln for “blasphemy”
………………..
Absolutely horrifying–but it does not surprise. There is no justice for Christians of other Infidels in Pakistan.
mortimer says
Pakistan’s blasphemy law is a convenient way of punishing a Christian, Sikh or Hindu to whom Muslims owe money or if the Muslims want them to lose their job or buy their property at a low price, destroy their business, etc.
gravenimage says
Exactly, Mortimer.
Larry Singleton says
Is Pakistan on the UN Human Rights Council yet? (Pun intended)
Larry Singleton says
Found it!
“Palestinians Tortured; Media Remains Silent” by Bassam Tawil-Gatestone. And “Farce: Meet 2018 Membership of U.N. Human Rights Council-UN Watch.
It makes me sick to my stomach to read the Gatestone Institute articles about the Islamization of Europe. Particularly Britain.
But here’s a video about Sweden’s dhimmi police state I ran across that even if “dated” should be spread far and wide. It’s heartbreaking:
“BREAKING : Swedish Lady Speaks Out Against Islam & Open Borders – Raided By Police !! Her Testimony”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=172&v=iJLKBqUm_Dw
I was permanently kicked off WND for my cussing early in my Internet experience. I’ve toned it way down but I’m still kicking over the furniture and bouncing off all four walls during my “morning reading” where I absorb the dozen or so articles I print out from JW, Gatestone, FrontPage, Middle East Quarterly, etc.
I’m sixty years old and I don’t even have to add the new Marxism of the Democrats in the last twenty years in the list of things that set me off; This entire world has gone stark raving nuts.
I keep harping on those Audio Terrorists in their “boomer cars”. Here we have, incredibly, a large segment of our population, including these thugs in our college, that I call the “New Rude”. Even growing up in the 60’s I never imagined the disrespect, contempt for others and the sheer rudeness that I’m seeing today.
I grew up watching Sherlock Holmes movies filmed during WWII, like the one where he goes to Washington to take on a gang of Nazis and gives a speech about the “special relationship” between the US and Britain. Hearing the words “God and the “Bible” used regularly in TV shows and westerns in the 60’s and 70’s. Growing up literally surrounded by the Greatest Generation who took their memories and the stench of the concentration camps they liberated to the graves after passing them on to people like me. Where I had a brother who, in his teens, robbed an elderly couple in their home but didn’t tie up the “old lady”. It would have never occurred to him to even think about it. And this long-haired rebellious hippie wouldn’t have dared either, to disrespect my elders under any circumstances. “It just wasn’t done”. And “There are just some things you just don’t do”. I had this all reinforced when I hitchiked back East and traveled through Tennesse and Arkasas and personally experienced what “Southern Hospitality” was all about. It was no American myth. I still remember when a deal was sealed with a handshake, a man’s word was his bond and the customer was always right. But then in those days we actually “dialed” the telephone.
Watch that video; Being a JW reader I know that you’ll appreciate it. But if you’re my age and remember when France was “French” and Sweden was “Swiss” and England was “British”; We wouldn’t have imagined what’s happening today in our wildest nightmares.
I went on a rant the other day where I said:
“I could follow this up with the Bible and Scripture and the kumbayah that is this “interfaith” and “we all worship the same God” nonsense. Jesus and his disciples taught us to be wise, not stupid.
“And maybe include my hunch that the Antichrist isn’t so much a person as an ideology. The genocidal ideology of Islam which is producing more, and has produced more, Christian and Jewish “martyrs than Hitler, Stalin and Mao combined.
“I think about verse 20:4 in Revelation: “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God…”
“I don’t think I need to mention why this is relevant.”
(“Unsealed: A Closer Look At Revelation 6 and ‘The four Horsemen of the Apocalypse’” by ICA 05/02/2013 Ask me; I’ve got other related articles.)
I read a Christian magazine called Beyond Today. Next to my subscription to Imprimis from Hillsdale College and Biblical Archaeological Review magazine, this is one of my most valuable resources. It includes articles about politics, current events Biblical archaeology, everything you can imagine; from a Biblical angle. (And it’s free! Including the ass kicking booklets!!)
I happened to be reading about the “End Times” in one article and what we’ll be going through before Jesus shows up. (“burning in hell” and the “Rapture” is a farce “Heaven and Hell: What Does the Bible Really Teach?” Beyond Today-United Church of God. I’m going to add here a mention of another article I read about The Bible vs. Evolution. Question: Why don’t you ever see any “in between: fossils? Why are they always found “full grown”?) According to Biblical accounts, (If Biblical accounts are true); We ain’t seen nothing yet. And the atrocity inflicted on that poor woman in the video is just a hint of things to come…
…And it’s going to come from “Islam”.
Again; If there is any Biblical “Beast”, and if you’re a student of the Bible and History, there is no hope for Europe. And if you read Soeren Kern who writes about the “Islamization of Europe” and Raymond Ibrahim, who writes about the genocide being inflicted on Christians worldwide, than all that we see happening is simply the “writing on the wall”. It’s a done deal.
I’m one of these happy ending guys. I hate movies where the good guy dies in the end. I keep hoping us humans will get our shit together and God will change his mind.
And things WON’T get worse before they get better.
balam says
Human Rights are awarded by HUMAN BEINGS to other humans. You can not put Muslims in that category. TAKE HUMANITY OUT OF A HUMAN BEING AND YOU WILL BE LEFT WITH A GOOD MUSLIM!!!
gravenimage says
True, Larry–Pakistan, and other Islamic thug states–being on the UN Human Rights Council is an utter travesty.
balam says
Also to abduct their women,rape them and convert them to Islam.Recently,a young christian boy was accused for blasphemy against Islam and the FEDERAL INVESTIGATION BUREAU OF PAKISTAN caught his cousin and told him to perform ORAL SEX on his cousin which he refused and jumped from the fourth floor of the building.He survived but was badly hurt.THAT IS PAKISTAN WHICH RECEIVES SO MUCH AID FROM THE U.S.A and other so called Christian countries.
christianblood says
balam
The West is AN Antichrist, pro-islamist, pro-ISIS entity! The West is your ENEMY!
gravenimage says
The US *has* cut aid–I hope we soon cut Pakistan off entirely.
LeftisruiningCanada says
CB: Please, i know you only see the bad parts of that large and complex entity which is “The West”, but please, when you say things like that, don’t you see that you are also saying that most of the people who post on this website are also the enemy?
I AM NOT THE ENEMY! Gravenimage IS NOT THE ENEMY! So many other posters on there are NOT THE ENEMY!
mortimer says
The COURT CASE EXONERATION regarding the cruel death of Shahzad Masih and Shama Shahzad and the SILENCE regarding it AMONG WESTERN JOURNALISTS show that 1) Islamic law is systemically DISCRIMINATORY and 2) Western journalism is controlled by the RED-GREEN AXIS of EVIL.
The GLOBALISTS do not want their vicious MUSLIM PETS to be OBSERVED to be such, so evil deeds of Muslims are intentionally concealed from Western readers/viewers so that they will not reject the policy of MASS ISLAMIC MIGRATION.
Jack Diamond says
Burn every detail into your mind what they did to this couple. The genocide of the Christians of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Murder Inc. Case in point. President Trump? John Bolton? Paying attention?
“Shama and Shahzad Masih were poor Christians who lived in the small village of Chak 59 in the Tehsil (subdivision) of Kot Radha Kishan near Lahore. Like many other poor people in their village, they worked as modern-day slaves in the local brick kiln.
The young couple had 4 children: Solomon (8) and Zeeshan (5) had been given to an uncle for adoption, probably due to the parent’s poverty. Sonia (4) and Poonam (18mths) lived with them and Shama was pregnant again with her fifth child. Her father-in-law had died recently and a few days later Shama cleaned out his room and disposed of his old papers by burning them. He had been an “amil” (a folk healer) who used various religious texts in his amulets and suchlike, and the burnt papers apparently included some with arabic writing on them. Shama, who was illiterate and so could not read them in any case, burnt the lot and threw the remains on a nearby garbage heap.
“A few people recognized partially burned pages in the ash and raised a cry that Shama had burned the Qur’an.”
Shahzad Masih and his five brothers worked for many years at the brick kiln, owned by Yousuf Gujjar. Parveen said Shahzad and his brothers went to Gujjar to resolve the matter after the situation got tense in the village. “Gujjar on the one hand assured us that nothing would happen, and on the other hand asked his accountant not to let Shahzad and Shama flee the village without paying back their bond money”, (taken from them as an ‘advance’ against their employment and wages).
By Monday night, some Muslim neighbors had informed the police of the alleged desecration and warned of a possible attack on the Christian couple, Parveen said. “That night I had Shahzad and Shama sleep in my home so that if the police arrested them, at least we would know.”At about 6 a.m. when Shahzad and Shama went back to their own home in order to prepare for work, an angry mob began pouring into their quarters. Sensing the danger all the Christians fled except Shama’s sister Yasmeen (married to Shahzad’s brother Fiaz Masih).Yasmeen said they were still preparing breakfast when a few more people knocked at their door and enquired about Shama.
****WE COULD HEAR ANNOUNCEMENTS BEING MADE FROM MOSQUE LOUDSPEAKERS IN NEARBY VILLAGES – THAT A CHRISTIAN WOMAN HAD DESECRATED THE QUR’AN”.YASMEEN SAID PEOPLE FROM FIVE SURROUNDING VILLAGES – CHAK 60, ROSEY, PAILAN, NAWAN PINDI AND HATNIAN – WERE GATHERED TOGETHER BY THE RESIDENTS OF CHAK 59 AND THEIR BRICK KILN COWORKERS.”
SOON THOUSANDS OF MEN ARMED WITH CLUBS, HATCHETS AND AXES LOADED ONTO TRACTORS AND TROLLEYS BEGAN POURING IN.
“The angry protestors then climbed on to the roof, and broke it in, “as if it was made of wood, straw and mud” said Yasmeen.She says these men then opened the door from inside and brought the couple into the open, where the highly-charged protestors were ready to attack.
“They beat them with wooden clubs on their heads, and hatchets, before they were both tied to a tractor and pulled out onto a road which was under construction, covered with crushed stones.””I think they were unconscious, but still breathing, but the mob was still not willing to leave them alone,” said Yasmeen. “They took some petrol from a tractor and doused their bodies and threw them in the kiln. Then I lost hope and fled with my children from there.”
THE DEAD WOMAN’S SISTER YASMEEN SAYS THAT DURING THE ENTIRE VIOLENT ATTACK, A POLICE VAN WAS PRESENT, BUT BECAUSE THEY WERE SO FEW, THE POLICE DID NOT TAKE CHARGE. “Some men asked them to fire into the air to quell the protestors, because the mob had no weapons to fire back…Shama and her husband might have survived if the police had taken timely action.”
Heavy contingents of police did arrive at the scene after the crowd had killed the couple. A local media reports that the police have arrested at least 42 people in connection with the case.
ANOTHER EYEWITNESS REPORTS THAT WHEN THE YOUNG COUPLE, BEATEN TO NEAR DEATH, WERE PUT INTO THE FIRE, A LARGE HEAVY IRON SHEET WAS PUT ON TOP OF THEM TO HOLD THEM DOWN; AS IF THE CROWD WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WOULD BURN.
—“Brown Pundits” November 8, 2014 see also World Watch Monitor “Pakistani Christian couple brutally killed by mob for alleged ‘blasphemy’ Nov. 5, 2014
gravenimage says
Yes–just unmitigated savagery against these poor victims.
J D S says
Graven…..that was in Pakistan…nothing to do with America right? WRONG!!!
It has everything to do with America….Do we not classify Pakistan as an Ali…Do we not give them loads of tax payers money…oh I should say borrowed money…that American tax payers and their descendents will have to repay…Now just let that sink in….we are borrowing money, giving it, not only to Pakistan,, but to many Muslim countries who believe what their book of hate teaches, not only believe but as seen in this article practice it…..
Now they want to, in fact already have, brought this to Ametica just waiting for our so called leaders to implement it for them.
Are the American citizens not going to do anything….
Personally I.am mad enough to fight but am held in place by my belief that Jesus, in so many words said for us to submit to those appointed over us…He also said for us to turn the other cheek….However I don’t think he really ment for us to submit as we are submitting today…….In many ways our submission is into Satan’s hands.
Not time yet to pick up the sword, time to.pick up the pen, so to speak and at least let our leaders know what we believe to be the way our government should operate.
Laws can be passed to beret Islamic teachings without stepping on our relig freedoms set up in our constitution but it will take some forwardness that is not found in congress today
So….are we supposed to just let this creeping cancer take over America……I guess that’s what I’m asking all JW posters.
balam says
J.D..S, Jesus never told to keep turning the cheek all the time. Pakistan Government has taken over all the Christian schools and colleges which were managed by the Christian missionaries.Only one college called FORMAN CHRISTIAN COLLEGE,LAHORE was handed back to the Americans through Pakistan Army under American pressure .Islam has not changed a bit over the last 1400 years and nor will it ever change .It has got to be defeated with extreme force. That is the only language the Muslims understand and respect.Finally ,ISRAEL is the first line of defence against the wobbly WEST.
gravenimage says
J D S, I have said many times that Pakistan is no ally of America’s–or any other part of the West. We *have* started cutting aid to Pakistan, which is a very good thing.
LeftisruiningCanada says
actual martyrs, unlike coward muslims.
Thank you for the expanded information JD, so ever terrible and sad it may be.
Carol (the 1st) says
It’s surprising the police were even there. This story follows a pattern as revealed in the many news stories that have been gathered by Raymond Ibrahim (over the years and in a number of countries). The “police” manage to arrive well after the fact – and this is not justified by their having to travel long distances.
Carol (the 1st) says
Group “swarming” is part and parcel of the pattern too, of course.
gravenimage says
The police appear to have been there just to cheer the murderous thugs on.
balam says
The Police being Muslims themselves never protect the Christians and are considered UNCLEAN AND INFERIOR. There is so much hatred and prejudice against the Christians that I decided to leave the wretched country although I had a good job .The ghost of Mohammad lives in every Muslim which turns them INSANE .Islam in fact is a form of MENTAL ILLNESS.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Yes. It is the same spirit of evil, i am convinced.
Glad you could leave when you did. I’d be happy if Christians from such places were put to the top of the immigration lists to the West.
gravenimage says
Balam. are you from Pakistan? I’m glad you got out.
balam says
Yes gravenimage>I am Indian by birth ,Pakistani by accident because the Christian village I was born in , being near the Indian border became part of PAK-SATAN and I am
British by choice and Christian{although not a good one} by the GRACE OF GOD .Shama was also born in the same village but moved a few miles away with her husband and both worked on brick kiln where they were burnt to death by the Muslims .I was lucky ,my late father, whose ancestors were SIKH who accepted Christ during studies at Murray college which was established by the Church of Scotland.My late younger brother studied there and got his M.A and later he moved to America and his children are highly educated and well settled in America .I worked in defence services of Pakistan as a loyal citizen but suffered immensely because of my faith ,Finally ,I decided to leave .Now ,thank God, all my brothers and sisters live peacefully in America which is a great country.
Japetto Danatelli says
Islam is like a giant puzzle that is very quickly getting put together right under our feet. As more and more pieces fall into place we can infer the remaining pieces. We know in time that horrendous, unspeakable crimes like this one in Pakistan will someday be part of that puzzle. There’s nothing extraordinarily different about Christians getting murdered and burned for blasphemy that makes it any less likely than the rape of our women or our kids getting murdered at a concert. Of course this piece of the puzzle is coming, because it fits perfectly with all the rest. In time the gradual dissolution of our values and laws will wear the people down, resistance to the inevitable will seem futile and less troublesome than simply giving in. Muslims know this, it’s death by a thousand cuts. Even if we stopped muslim immigration 100% today we’d still have a tremendous up hill battle. Reform in islam seems an absurd notion given the dramatic increase in terrorism for allah. And except for a few dissenting voices that often get murdered there is virtually no indication they are willing to compromise their dedication to allah’s supremacist agenda. It should have sunk in by now for all non-muslims, Europe is on the verge of collapse under islam and we’re next. The consequence of letting muslims in to America will be no less damning than losing a total war. Because muslim societies are based on principles and aims totally dedicated to the destruction of freedom and our subjugation for allah–islam has only one trajectory. They will never want us to live in peace and equitable tolerance with them. Their god commands we live in submission to them. So we can be sure this piece of the puzzle is coming just like all the rest, the piece where we get murdered for blasphemy and burned like all the rest. Ho-hum, maybe there’s something good on t.v.
janwoG says
Since our dear moderate Muslim friend do not support an anti-Pakistanis campaign, they are only interested to their Muslim victims in the West, one can assume, if USA will have a Muslim majority, it will become a new Pakistan.
balam says
Moderate Muslims in the WEST are like the POISONOUS SNAKES in your sleeve .They are more DANGEROUS than the I.S.I.S. Have you heard of Akbar Ahmed-the ex-ambassador of Pakistan to Britain. He is worth watching .About Muslims in general ,one can say that they all are like snakes ,some more poisonous than others.
gravenimage says
Yes, balam–Akbar Ahmed is a nasty piece of work, and has infiltrated academia in both the US and Britain.
Here he is, pretending that Jihad is purely “tribal” and has nothing to do with Islam:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/akbar-ahmed/terrorism-tribal-roots_b_3141191.html
He also essenitally say tht the Tsarnaev brothers had to blow up innocent people in a Jihad terror attack. Why? Because some Americans have become suspicious of Muslims waging violent Jihad….
Both circular logic and a vicious blaming of the victims.
Lots more nastiness from this Taqiyya artist.
balam says
It is like the story of the wolf and the lamb drinking water at a stream and the wolf blaming the lamb for making the water dirty although it came from where he was drinking . You can never win the argument with the WOLVES OF ALLAH called MUSLIMS/MOHAMMADANS.
Jayell says
Whilst I have absolutely no desire to play Devil’s (or Mohammed’s) advocate, we don”t seem to have anything like the full facts of this case here. Following traditional UK standards, if those acquitted were just ‘suspects’, they could not be convicted without proper evidence. However, it would be a different story if there any convenient problem appearing that prevented any proper evidence reaching the court, just like in current UK kangaroo justice (ask Tommy Robinson et al). Now, I wonder where any ‘convenient problems’ might come from?
I believe that Pakistan is currently still a properly accredited member of that most honourable of international institutions, the British Commonwealth. WHY?
LeftisruiningCanada says
Evidence, especially witness statements, is surely impossible in such a case. What muslim would help convict his brother (who he has seen torture others), and what Christian would speak up (knowing they would be next)?
No, the gang of islam is fully protected and insulted there.
Heck, it is in so many parts of the West already.
I don’t doubt you know it, but this is coming to our nations too, this exact same thing. The young vulnerable girls are already feeling it, but only because they are on the fringes of society and easy prey.
Jayell says
So islam effectively fundamentally corrupts society through its inherent manipulative supremacist dishonesty. We never tolerated that sort of thing for long in the UK in the past. So if we told the EU to get stuffed, why not this lot?
LeftisruiningCanada says
Why not indeed.
Babboo says
It is indeed a corrupt society. Orthodox, suppressed with Shiria Laws.
People are forced to change to their belief; They are told that if they will leave their belief, punishment is death. So even sensible people live in this society with a fear of losing their lives.
Jack Diamond says
There was a mob of more than 1,000 that attacked the family. The man who prevented Shazhad and Shama from leaving the village, which would have saved their lives, and who instigated the blasphemy charge with the local imam, which got them killed–the brick kiln owner Yousaf Gujjar–was acquitted, along with 90 other people. Shama’s sister Yasmeen was a witness to at least fifteen men directly involved in the brutal violence and murders.
No, this being Pakistan, the only thing unusual here is that 8 people were sentenced to two years in prison, and that five were sentenced to be hanged (no timetable was set however).
but then there is this: (The Christian Post 11/23/16)
“Shama’s father, who is now the guardian of the couple’s three children, said he and his grandchildren are now receiving death threats from the family members of of those accused and convicted.”
gravenimage says
Just repulsive.
balam says
Graven Image, how could these victims of ISLAM be taken out of the HELL HOLE OF PAKISTAN?
Karen says
Balam, I would love to welcome the oppressed minorities of Pakistan to the U.S. It seems to me, however, that the UN controls who gets refugee status, so that route has become something of a racket. There is probably no hope for these people to immigrate, other than to get in line, which will take forever if done legally.
gravenimage says
balam, I would like to see Christians and all other Infidels flee Pakistan–either to India or to the West. I agree with Karen–the US and other Western nations should give these people asylum.
Jack Diamond says
Here is a more typical example of how justice works for Christians in Pakistan.
The death of 17 year old Kristin Masih, Christian. I will quote it at length for the picture of life in the Islamic Republic for Christian girls.
“A Christian girl has been killed after she and two friends shrugged of the advances of some young drunken Muslim men from one of the elite areas of Lahore, Defence Colony.
Kiran (17 years), Shamroza (18 years) and Sumble (20 years) three Christian girls were simply walking home through Defence Colony after a hard day’s work as beauticians, on their way to their deprived Christian community in Baowala.
They had set off at 9pm on 13th January, with intention to get home quickly before it got too unsafe so they could get some rest before returning to work the following morning. On this fateful night however they were accosted by four allegedly drunk Muslim in a maroon car, who started to misbehave with them.
The intoxicated men shouted suggestive and lewd comments at them and were harassing them to get into the car with them for ‘a ride and some fun’.
The three girls explained that they were devout Christians and did not practice sex outside of marriage and bravely scolded the young men for their untoward advances. This caused an immediate change in the demeanour of the boys who became more aggressive and started to threaten the girls to enter the car or to be physically forced in.
Terrified of the increasingly dangerous situation they were in the girls started to run in a fit of panic. This only enraged the young Muslim men further, one of them shouted out at the girls, he said:
“How dare you run away from us, Christian girls are only meant for one thing the pleasure of Muslim men.”
The inebriated men drove aggressively after the girls and crashed their car into them. The impact on Shamroza and Sumble threw them to the sides of the vehicles and sharply to the ground. The result of crashing into the hard street surface caused Shamroza to break several ribs and Sumble broke her hip. Kiran was even more unfortunate as the impact of the car lifted her off the ground and on to the bonnet of the car, where she thumped the windscreen. The young men continued to laugh in their drunken stupour and increased their speed, finally braking when they could see another car before them. The momentum of the emergency stop threw Kiran up into the air and rapidly onto the floor where she cracked her head open and smashed numerous bones, the resulting internal bleeding killed her within minutes.
The families of the three girls have demanded justice but despite the cruelty of this brutal attack and the death of an innocent young girl, unscrupulous police forced them to pay a bribe in order to have a First Incident Report (FIR), registered. The family are calling for a murder enquiry but because of the wealthy status of the young men, little hope exists that justice will prevail. Police are said to be doing little to apprehend the young men and are allegedly delaying the investigative process. Often in such cases evidence goes missing and witnesses are either threatened or bought out by the families of wealthy criminals in a country where corruption is rife and lauded. ”
—BRITISH PAKISTANI CHRISTIAN ASSOCIATION website 20 Jan 2016
“Christian girl killed for shrugging off advances of wealthy Muslim boys”
Michael Copeland says
Pakistan is a failed state.
Karen says
This was not an isolated incident in Pakistan. Crimes against religious minorities are numerous and routinely shrugged off by the Muslim-majority population, the police, and the elected government officials and institutions. Occasionally a brave official will blurt out something in defense of minorities, but not much happens to improve the lot of Christians, and others. So, it is an accepted fact of life that Christians in Pakistan are permanently at the bottom of the social order, by design and with the full approval of the majority. The tyranny of the “democratic”, Islamic majority has made the lives of their non-Muslim neighbors a living hell, and they appear to be, from the outside looking in, just fine with that.
But why is this? If Islam and it’s Sharia legal traditions are so deeply aligned with democratic ideals as many Western elites would have us believe, just the opposite should be happening. Devout Muslims, imams, and the “democratically” elected leaders, most of whom are legally required to be Muslim in order to hold office, would be demanding the elevation of their downtrodden neighbors.
But wait, didn’t Americans own slaves? Isn’t this just the same thing? Yes, until the church, prominent Christians and others, and a civil war finally demanded otherwise. Of course, not every church or congregation was on board, but the point is that Christian leadership finally became significant enough to force the issue into consciousness as a point of Christian morality. In other words, we finally admitted in our hearts that slavery was wrong.
Where is the leadership in Islam demanding a change in the social consciousness? This is a pressing question for Islamic leadership to urgently ponder. If Islam is as egalitarian as apologists assert, a simple and righteous demand for equal rights based on Islamic tradition should be a slam dunk. But, if no convincing, sustainable argument for equal rights for non-Muslims can be formulated from the scriptures, laws and traditions of Islam, then we have a serious, on-going problem.
gravenimage says
Yes–I remember that hideous case, Jack. Thanks for reposting it.
gravenimage says
Good post, Karen.
Baucent says
At least the story was picked up by the “AP” but the point is correct. Imagine if Palestinians had been treated this way but Israeli settlers, it would be daily media overload and UN condemnation. But none of that here as muslims are always the victims, because so says the ideology of the Left.
Brian hoff says
Robert is causeing hated against Islam
The way I see this case 29 people where arrest for burning two people to death. 9 where found guilty 4 where given the death penalty and 5 given lengthy jail time. 20 have nothing to do with are not charge sound fair to me..In Florida than white man murder than black teenager in cold blood.
Keys says
Robert is telling the truth about Islam.
Islam is causing hatred against Islam.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Mr Hoff,
What exactly are you getting at?
Do you think we oppose islam because a few people had charges dropped against them?
Might it not be that this one case of utter barbarity is far from the only such case? Maybe it might have something to do with the fact that those 2 people you mention, one of them a pregnant woman, were brutally tortured before being thrust into the burning furnace FOR ALLEGEDLY BURNING A KORAN?
It’s hard to believe you can operate a keyboard, and not be aware of how shallow your comment is.
Jack Diamond says
ah, the Dumber member of Dumb and Dumber (itace muhammad the former) shows up.
At least 103 people were arrested. Over 1,000 took part in the beating and lynching and then burning to death of two people (there actually was an attempt to include one of the children in the kiln). The man who incited the murders and kept the couple from fleeing so they could receive allah’s extra-judicial “justice” was acquitted. The blood-thirsty mob was stirred up by five mosques and their imams demanding vengeance for allah by loudspeaker. There were no consequences for them. Nor for the police who stood by and did nothing to stop it.
Yes, 8 men who took part in, for instance, pouring gasoline over the couple they had beaten near to death, so they could be burned (in front of their family) got sentenced to a resounding 2 years. That is not a lengthy jail time for murder and how much of it will they actually serve? 5 men (I know math is not your thing) were sentenced to be hanged. This is a result of the publicity this incident received around the world and how revolted most everyone is with this shithole country. There is no date for the hanging, the sentence still can be overturned, in the meantime the family of the couple is being threatened with death (and those threats are real, not a maybe).
The hatred comes from one direction. From Islam. Toward the Christian community that it is free to
torture and pillage and abuse and rape as essentially slaves (Pakistan is but one example of what happens when Muslims get the upper-hand, it becomes a fist) and to even murder, largely with a free hand. They’ve known they can get away with it and the police will do little or nothing. They’ve had the law, the blasphemy law (which is the law of Islam even if the Pakistani state were to revoke it) on their side. The hate comes from the author of:
“between us and you, hostility and hatred forever”;”take not the Jews or Christians as friends or allies… they are the worst of creatures”; “fight to kill the unbelievers” “fitna (opposition to Islam) is worse than a slaughter”; “strive hard against the disbelievers and hypocrites and be harsh against them”; “you will not find those who believe in allah or the Last Day, loving those who resist allah and his messenger, even if it is their father or brother or son”; “Muhammad is god’s apostle, those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.”
Jack Diamond says
should have read “the burning to death of 3 people”, Shama was 5 months pregnant.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Bingo. Thanks for your continued posting on this case.
gravenimage says
I see the appalling “Brian hoff”–really, “DefenderofIslam”–is outraged that we are bothered about pious Muslims slaughtering Christians.
He doesn’t see burning a couple to death over fake “blasphemy” accusations as hate–but he does consider criticizing the vile tenets of Islam in whose name they were murdered to be “hatred”.
If “DefenderofIslam” ever has his way, this will be happening to Infidels all over Texas. *Ugh*.
balam says
Brian Hoff: you sound like a hoof of a Muslim Donkey Go and get a little educated at some Madrassa.Your prophet was ILLITERATE,hence what can one expect from you.You simply disgust me
Sarah says
Look, call me a heartless bastard and all – but what idiot decides to openly be a Christian (or Jew -or anything non-Muslim) in a nation like Pakistan?
I mean – there’s being faithful to your religion – and then there’s missing the basic survival instinct gene…
I think it’s terrible that this couple suffered such horrific abuse – and died an utterly unforgivable, torturous death – but the reality is – IT IS GODDAMN PAKISTAN…
I’m a White, natural blonde, blue-eyed Western woman who is also an Atheist. Now if I up and moved to Pakistan – the freaking LAST thing I’d do is let anyone around me know I was an Atheist. I’d 100% dye my hair too, while I was at it, just to avoid the inevitable gang rape in the town square on Friday afternoon – but that’s beside the point, really.
The point is – if I lived in a nation that was openly Islamic, the freaking LAST thing I’d do is declare Jesus to be my Lord and Saviour. Unless I wanted to die for Jesus, of course.
Yeah, its cold of me to say that – but it’s realistic.Come on guys, go pray to Jesus at home, by all means. But learn the prayers and babble 5 times a day to Allah if you want to live in Pakistan.
dumbledoresarmy says
They are indigenous to Pakistan. They are probably descended from people who became Christian several generations ago, during the time of the British raj.
And the advice you just gave is the reasoning that has been used by many, many people down through the centuries.. and has resulted in the devouring and laying-waste of vast swathes of territory, because the indigenous non-Muslims – overwhelmed by Muslims – ‘broke’ under the pressure of ISlam.. and joined the bully-murder-rape-robbery Gang, rather than continue to resist.
balam says
Shama was born in a small Christian village called ‘CLARK-ABAD after the name of British Missionary Rev. Clark who bought thousands of acres of farming land and established a beautiful village and the Christians were the tenants. There is a high school called St. Peter’s high school for boys and girls and St .Monica school for girls .In the centre of the village is St .Peter’s Church .There were three fruit gardens .The land was supplied with water for irrigation by a canal all the year round Later the Pakistan Government took over all the land and schools There was a small hospital which served even the surrounding Muslim communities by Dr.Hart F.R.C.S and sister Edwards along with local staff. TheMissionaries left because the Muslims often attacked them Now the same village is in ruins because the Muslims can not run even a BROTHEL properly.
Jack Diamond says
Shama was your niece, balam? You have all our condolences and best wishes for the family. There are concerns for the safety of her children and relatives there. Do you know
of any plans to get them out of Pakistan?
gravenimage says
Thank you, DDA and balam. Yes–the victims did not move to Pakistan–they came from Christian families that predated the creation of Pakistan.
balam, are there plans to get some of these Christians out of Pakistan to safety? How did you ge out?
balam says
Sarah: in the Muslim countries ,it is the religion that matters to Muslims. The ATIESTS also face the same fate as Non-Muslim Kafirs . If you were living there as a WHITE WOMAN on your own ,the wolves Allah would take you as a captive ,gang rape you and even put you in a BROTHEL to make money .Soon, you would get used to that .I could give you the names of a few White women who ended up like that. Try to go to Pakistan on holiday on your own and find out unless you are EASY!!!!
gravenimage says
Yes–Atheists are in as much danger there as are Christians, Hindus, and other Infidels.
balam says
Gravenmage::An ATHEIST to me is like a spiritual bankrupt who has nothing to lose.A few years ago,a German girl was walking alone in Lahore.She was abducted and gang raped by Muslim men and later dumped.RAPE SEEMS TO BE A HOBBY IN ISLAM learnt from their perfect role model.
gravenimage says
balam, I don’t want to see Muslims harming Atheists, either.
Islam threatens *all* of us.
sidney penny says
“But no one will take any particular note of this.”
Once again, Robert Spencer, you are 100% correct.
dumbledoresarmy says
The Barnabas Fund *and* the British Pakistani Christian Association are in touch with the surviving family members, and are giving assistance.
Action in response to this latest – and utterly typical – mohammedan mob atrocity, is to support Barnabas Fund and/ or British Pakistani Christian Association, both of which are energetically lobbying the British and other western governments to try to get them to impose *consequences* on Pakistan to punish it for its gross and ongoing human rights abuses perpetrated against indigenous non-Muslim minorities. The BPCA wants Britain to STOP giving ‘aid’ to Pakistan. I think that is an excellent idea. All of us should lobby our respective governments on that subject. Encourage President Trump to END ‘aid’ to Pakistan. And Aussies and Canadians and New Zealanders should be demanding that Pakistan and other Islamic sh*t-holes be EXPELLED from the Commonwealth, in disgrace. They should be subjected to a *sports* boycott, including a Cricket boycott. And I wouldn’t buy a thing from them. If I see ‘made in Pakistan’ on some cheap clothing or a bag of rice in the supermarket, no way will I buy it.
Barnabas and BPCA also give practical help to the suffering Christians, including assisting the *very* brave lawyers – mostly Christians – who stand up for these people within the corrupt and complex Pakistani court system.
The British Pakistani Christian Association have often held public rallies in major cities in the UK to raise awareness, particularly focusing on the plight of Asia Bibi. I would love to see as many British jihadwatchers as possible attending those rallies, to get the numbers up , and up, and up, so as to strengthen their voice.
LeftisruiningCanada says
+1
I wish our disgusting leaders would go on the TV and internet declaring our borders open to all such persecuted Christians, instead of welcoming every illegal criminal that can afford to make it here.
The Pakistani Christians would be a genuine benefit to Canada and the US. No problems at all.
So sad. Leftists don’t really care about justice or equality people, it’s all lies.
gravenimage says
+1
Politicianophobia says
Pakistan where Amir Mushtag Kahn, the Jamel-e ISLAMI leader said “I will cut the tongue and eyes of those who want to end the blasphemy law. I will never turn my back on God no matter how many Pakistani, Muslims introduce blasphemy laws in Canada. They can go to hell where they belong.
balam says
@Jack Diamond: Thank you for your kind thoughts`. I am trying to locate them It is next to impossible to get them into Britain Canada or America. My cousin ‘Alwin Gill was a very scholarly young man with great knowledge about Islam He assisted Dr, Annis Shorosh- a Palestinian Christian against Muslim debater DEEDAT in England. When he went back to Pakistan,his tongue was cut off .by the Muslims .No body was arrested…and punished. .That is Pakistan where you have to declare your religion on your I.D card and even PASSPORT..THE POPE FRANCIS SADLY HAS NEVER SAID A WORD TO HELP ASIA BIBI WHO IS A CATHOLIC AND ON DEATH ROW FOR DRINKINMG WATER OUT A BUCKET OF HER MUSLIM COLLEGUES WHO WERE COTTON PICKER WITH HER………….
gravenimage says
Is there anything we can do to help. balam? I am in the US.
balam says
Gravenimage: your kind offer brought tears into my eyes. I am well settled in Britain with a Canadian wife. Most of my brothers and sisters live in America and done very well .One of my nieces went to school for gifted children and did her M.D at a very young age .She is married to a Pakistani Christian who is also a doctor .America is a great country .All my relatives are very happy to be living in this great country .They work very hard and are LOYAL CITIZENS .Thank you again for your kind sentiments.
gravenimage says
So glad you and so many of your loved ones got out, balam.
I have been urging US authorities to give priortity to threatened Christian and other Infidel refugees from the Muslim world.
Jack Diamond says
I was under the impression the BPCA was helping the family. Do you know Wilson Choudhry? I know they have helped Christians flee Pakistan to Thailand, at least, which is no picnic either since they have no legal status and can’t work there and their status as refugees would depend on the UN High Commissioner, another bad deal.
Rimsha Masih managed to get asylum in Canada (she was also falsely accused of burning a Qur’an).
The Canadian immigration minister had taken an interest in the case and facilitated the visas–Jason Kenney, under Stephen Harper. Not sure Trudeau’s Minister of Immigration, Somali refugee Ahmed Hussen, would feel the same inclination…
Another Pakistani Christian teenager, Julie Aftab, who was the victim of a horrendous acid attack, made it to America. Even after the attack, the Muslims wanted her dead for “insulting Islam”. Her family home was burned down. A bishop in Pakistan contacted Shriner’s hospital in Houston and arranged for reconstructive surgery, she got away. A local couple took her in and she has lived in Houston since.
Here is what happened to Julie, if you can stomach yet another horror story:
She took a job at age 16 as a telephone operator in Faisalabad to support her family (her father had broken his back). A customer spotted the cross she wore. “You are living life in the gutter” the Muslim man said. “You are going to hell, you are living in darkness.”
Her “criminal” reply? “I am living in the light”.
The man got angry, “So you think Islam is in darkness?”
Aftab knew all about the blasphemy laws and how words are twisted into attacks on Islam.
“No, you said that,” she replied. “Not me.”
Half an hour later the man returned, with another Muslim man, and a turquoise bottle. Filled with acid. And he threw it at her.
“Aftab tried to block the arc of battery acid, but it melted much of the right side of her face and left her with swirling, bone-deep burns on her chest and arms. She ran for the door, but a second man grabbed her hair, and they poured the acid down her throat, searing her esophagus.”
“When she finally broke away from them, the acid searing her skin and throat, she ran down the street. As she screamed, teeth fell from her mouth and hit the ground.
“A woman heard her screams and threw her head cover on Aftab so she could touch her without getting burned. The woman took Aftab to her home and poured water on her. Others eventually came to help take her to the hospital.
“People in the neighborhood detained the two men who assaulted her until police arrived.
Why did you do that? the men were asked.
They said Aftab insulted Islam, that she said Muslims are living in the darkness and are going to hell.
“They all turned against me,” Aftab said. “Even the people who took me to the hospital. They told the doctor they were going to set the hospital on fire if they treated me.”
The police let the two men go, and did not even file an official report on the assault until Christian leaders complained, she said.”
–Houston Chronicle July 9, 2012
LeftisruiningCanada says
I apprehend it, but it is so difficult to comprehend it.
balam says
COULD YOU KINDLY DRAW THE ATTENTION OF PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT OF AMERICA WHO ARE GOD FEARING AND GOOD PEOPLE.THAT MIGHT HELP THE SUFFERING CHRISTIANS IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES SPECIALLY PAKISTAN WHICH HAPPENS TO BE THE WORST.
gravenimage says
That’s what I–and others here–have been trying to do.
gravenimage says
*Horrifying*, Jack.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Ugh, Deedat. Never a more arrogant, dishonest and ill-informed man have i ever listened to. Ever.
That this cheap street performer is one of the most highly regarded dawah practitioners by the islamic population in general is so very very telling.
balam says
@ Leftisruining canada: You could watch on U TUBE as to how DEEDAT died like a RABID DOG.
balam says
@gravenimage :I really thank God that I managed to get out of Pakistan although I had a good job about which I can not go into details .I studied at the American Missionary college which granted me free tuition fee ,free board and lodging .These missionary Institutions always helped the poor Christians like me to get good education so that they could get jobs otherwise the jobs reserved for the Christians in Pakistan were toilet cleaners or street sweepers .Recently ,there were job adverts in Pakistani News Papers for SWEEPERS :::.ONLY CHRISTIANS COULD A:PPLY.NO CHRISTO-PHOBIA THERE!!!VERY PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT THOUGH. Thank you Pakistan .What an honour to be a Christian in Pakistan!!!!
gravenimage says
Yes–I remember that disgusting ad.
Glad to hear about the Christian school, balam. But I know that now Pakistan is seizing school lands:
“Missionary school land declared ‘state land’”
https://www.dawn.com/news/1246430
They don’t want any Infidels to have a chance.
Are you in the United States now?
balam says
gravenimage: I live in Scotland with my Canadian wife .My oldest son has done PHD in English literature and my oldest daughter has done her M.A in FINE ART from the Goldsmith college of Art London .My other son is in business. I owned a couple of small hotels and owned a 15 room house not far from American consulate .I sold everything and retired but now I help my son in his business.It is great to live in a Christian country with social justice.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Happy for you balam, believe me.
What would you say is the best way that us Western Christians can help those persecuted Christians in Pakistan, and perhaps elsewhere?
gravenimage says
Great to hear that, balam.
By the way, I am an artist and writer, and my husband is a writer.
Babboo says
Many wise people wants to get out of Islam but are compelled due to social ties.
Thanks to Internet that World has started understanding this belief. As on date, the definition of Religion is Love for the Humanity, Freedom to everyone choosing their belief, equal rights for Women, dresses they wish to wear etc.. Lack of proper education and good belief is the root cause of fanaticism. They are actually Non-believers of God.
Carol (the 1st) says
babboo…I think you’re right that they actually are non-believers. They don’t seem to trust or appreciate universal benevolence and intelligence at work in this world. Instead they ply “sanctity on steroids” like a showpiece talisman to fend off imaginary evil-folk while they cling to and perform vain, selfish, and inhumane actions supposedly on behalf of an odd god with highly suspect Mohammed-derived “authority”.
The example of responsible and productive Western civilization and the Information Age will surely bring the eventual collapse of this dangerous carcass – but, as they say, “the only thing to fear is fear itself”.
gravenimage says
Social ties? Well, yes–and that fact that the penalty for leaving Islam is death, and all too many Muslims are happy to enforce it.
balam says
@left is ruining Canada: Please pray for the PERSECUTED CHRISTIANS and let the world know why.Mohammad was ANTI-CHRIST and his followers called Mohammadans are likewise also ANTI-CHRIST AND ANTI=CHRISTIAN.The brain of a Muslim s like COCO NUT which has ears which can not hear.Eyes which can not see and is hollow like a brainless skull and yet most expensive because it has hardly been used
LeftisruiningCanada says
Prayer is certainly on the top of our list balam. Speaking about islam to those that don’t know is also important.
Do you know of any trustworthy charities that are operating in Pakistan and other areas of persecution?
gravenimage says
I know you asked balam and not myself, LeftisruiningCanada, but the best is probably the Barnabas Fund:
https://barnabasfund.org/us
LeftisruiningCanada says
Thanks GI. You hear some unhappy things about certain charity groups, so it’s always nice to know of organizations that can be trusted tp put your donations where you want them to go.
Odo Saunders says
It is time for Europe and the Commonwealth to cut off any financial or other types of aid to Pakistan.
gravenimage says
Agreed. The whole of the West should cut them off.