The Qur’an teaches that men are superior to women and should beat those from whom they “fear disobedience”: “Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them.” — Qur’an 4:34
The Qur’an likens a woman to a field (tilth), to be used by a man as he wills: “Your women are a tilth for you, so go to your tilth as you will” — Qur’an 2:223
It declares that a woman’s testimony is worth half that of a man: “Get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as you choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her” — Qur’an 2:282
It allows men to marry up to four wives, and have sex with slave girls also: “If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if you fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly, then only one, or one that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice” — Qur’an 4:3
It rules that a son’s inheritance should be twice the size of that of a daughter: “Allah directs you as regards your children’s inheritance: to the male, a portion equal to that of two females” — Qur’an 4:11
It allows for marriage to pre-pubescent girls, stipulating that Islamic divorce procedures “shall apply to those who have not yet menstruated” — Qur’an 65:4
Islamic law stipulates that a man’s prayer is annulled if a dog or a woman passes in front of him as he is praying. “Narrated ‘Aisha: The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, “Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people).” I said, ‘You have made us (i.e. women) dogs.’ I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away. for I disliked to face him.” — Sahih Bukhari 1.9.490
Another hadith depicts Muhammad saying that the majority of the inhabitants of hell are women:
“I looked into Paradise and I saw that the majority of its people were the poor. And I looked into Hell and I saw that the majority of its people are women.” — Sahih Bukhari 3241; Sahih Muslim 2737
When asked about this, he explained:
“I was shown Hell and I have never seen anything more terrifying than it. And I saw that the majority of its people are women.” They said, “Why, O Messenger of Allah?” He said, “Because of their ingratitude (kufr).” It was said, “Are they ungrateful to Allah?” He said, “They are ungrateful to their companions (husbands) and ungrateful for good treatment. If you are kind to one of them for a lifetime then she sees one (undesirable) thing in you, she will say, ‘I have never had anything good from you.’” — Sahih Bukhari 1052
And in another hadith:
The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) went out to the musalla (prayer place) on the day of Eid al-Adha or Eid al-Fitr. He passed by the women and said, ‘O women! Give charity, for I have seen that you form the majority of the people of Hell.’ They asked, ‘Why is that, O Messenger of Allah?’ He replied, ‘You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religious commitment than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.’ The women asked, ‘O Messenger of Allah, what is deficient in our intelligence and religious commitment?’ He said, ‘Is not the testimony of two women equal to the testimony of one man?’ They said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Is it not true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?’ The women said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her religious commitment.’” — Sahih Bukhari 304
“‘Islam places womenfolk at higher pedestal,’” APP, March 10, 2018:
Islam has placed womenfolk at a higher pedestal in society as a mother, wife, daughter and sister.
These views were expressed in a seminar here on Saturday to mark the World Women’s Day.
The speakers said that Pakistani women struggled hard and rendered sacrifices to secure their rights, but women are still forced to compromise with outdated and obsolete customs, which demanded a change in mindset.
The seminar titled “Problems faced by Pakistani women – challenges and opportunities” was organised at the Aiwan-i-Karkunan-i-Tehreek-i-Pakistan.
A gold medallist worker of Pakistan Movement Begum Khalida Munir-ud-Din Chughtai presided over it while Convener Madar-e-Millat Centre Begum Mehnaz Rafi, leading intellectual Dr Perveen Khan and other intellectuals spoke on the occasion….
mortimer says
The split-brain RUBBISH of Islam: 1) Women are on a PEDESTAL, but 2) Men have a degree HIGHER (Koran 4.34).
So WHO is actually on the PEDESTAL? Men or women? Who is superior to the other? Here is what Mohammed says in the hadiths that degrade all women:
– I think that women were created for nothing but evil.
– Women have ten ‘awrat (vulvas). When she gets married, the husband covers one, and when she dies the grave covers the ten (of her shameful parts).
– A straw mat in the corner of the house is preferable to a barren woman.
– Women are toys, so choose (your ‘toys’).
– The woman is a toy, whoever takes her, let him care for her [ or do not lose her ].
– Had it not been for women, God would have truly, truly been worshipped.
– Men perished the day they obeyed the women.
– Obedience to a woman’s advice causes regret.
– Consult women and act contrary (to it).
– Sneezing, drowsing, yawning in prayer, also menstruation, vomiting and nose-bleeding are from Satan.
– When…your affairs are in the hands of your women, the interior of the earth (hell) will be the better for you than its surface.
– If a woman offered one of her breasts to be cooked and the other to be roasted, she still will fall short of fulfilling her obligations to her husband. And besides that if she disobeys her husband even for a twinkling of an eye, she would be thrown in the lowest part of Hell, except she repents and turns back.
– Mohammed asked some women, “Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half that of a man?” The women said, “Yes,” He said, “This is because of the deficiency of the woman’s mind.”
– I have not seen any one more deficient in intelligence and religion than you (women).
– I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers are women.
– Bad omen is in the woman, the house and the horse.
– After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women.
– Don’t wear false hair for Allah sends His curse upon such ladies who lengthen their hair artificially.
– Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur’an.
– Women, slaves and camels are same.
– Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman.
– If you relax the woman’s bridle a tiny bit, she will take you and bolt wildly. And if you lower her cheek-piece a hand span, she will pull you an arm’s length … Their deception is awesome and their wickedness is contagious; bad character and feeble mind are their predominant traits.
– “[A man’s wife] fears him, while he fears her not, a kind word from him satisfies her, where nothing of hers has importance in his eyes, it is she who must tolerate the presence of concubines, and it is she who worries when he is ill whereas even her death would leave him indifferent.
– If a man calls his wife to his bed and she refuses, and he spends the night angry with her, the angels curse her until morning.
– Treat women well, for they are [like] domestic animals [awan] with you and do not possess anything for themselves. You have taken them only as a trust from God and you have made the enjoyment of their persons lawful by the word of God, so understand and listen to my words…
– Muhammad’s last words on women during his farewell speech:
– God allows you to put them in separate rooms and to beat them but not with severity. If they refrain from these things they have the right to their food and clothing with kindness. Lay injunctions on women kindly, for they are prisoners with you having no control- of their persons. Sirat Rasul Allah.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Thank you, Mortimer, for this selection of Quotations from Chairman Mo. But your argument would be strengthened if you cited the sources, as proof that you are not tendentiously paraphrasing. For example, in the last quote, what are “these things” that women should refrain from?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotations_from_Chairman_Mao_Tse-tung
mortimer says
Mark, ONE MORE TIME” There is no room for everything in a short post. NOT EVERYONE IS A SCHOLAR. If you want the full references for YOURSELF, then look them up. They are all on line. I will not post them all here. It makes it unreadable for ordinary folk. I believe they won’t BOTHER to look at them if they are TOO COMPLICATED.
gravenimage says
Mark, I like “Chairman Mo”.
Lydia Church says
If the pedestal is inverted upside down, then this flies.
mummymovie says
Yep- More”flipping the script”/ shameless PR taaqiyaa BS.
Voytek Gagalka says
Women are on a PEDESTAL in Islam but men are singing (yelling) from minarets demanding absolute SUBMISSION. And, as everyone knows, nothing can be higher than minarets.
Jayell says
“…nothing can be higher than minarets….” How about the Empire State Building?
gravenimage says
Traditionally, nothing in Dar-al-Islam was supposed to be higher than minarets–certainly not church steeples.
Carolyne says
On the subject of women’s intelligence:
1 Corinthians 14: 33, 34, 35
gravenimage says
Carolyne, I take your point–but Christians do not claim that women are less intelligent than men, nor is wifebeating sacralized in Christianity.
In fact, it was in the culturally Christian West that women have achieved equal rights.
Indiana Tom says
Islam has placed womenfolk at a higher pedestal in society.
Yeah, like on top of tall buildings before they throw them off.
bodega says
Such clear lies are more than disgusting. The men should be punished for uttering them. There will be no relief for women of Islam until the last man dies.
Timothy McAlee, Sr. G.eD. says
I was sleeping with Mohammed & another Man, when Mohammed rolled over & stuck his hand between my two buttocks & when I objected, he said, “I thought those were two Pillows!!? “Allowah Ackbar!!!
Lydia Church says
Okay, I won’t make a comment here about ibrahim going and putting his mouth to some good use for a change with his harem. But I will add to a comment someone made recently about him getting a goat due to a lot of talk about sex. At first I felt sorry for the goat. But then…. I realized…. that the goat….. won’t even NOTICE ANYTHING!!!!
Haaaaah!!!!
Sorry, I couldn’t resist.
: D
J D S says
They just want their squak boxes to be higher than a church steeple or bell tower…
As far as women in islam….They are considered lower than dirt and that will never change till Islam is gone and with the stupidness in governments, allowing this non God based religion to continue, it might be the end time before women in Islam are placed on a pedestal.j D S
Carolyne says
A menage a’ trois?
Westman says
“The speakers said that Pakistani women struggled hard and rendered sacrifices to secure their rights, but women are still forced to compromise..”
At least they are talking about the problems. That takes real courage for women who might be subject to beatings for just listening.
Here in the US, we have the opposite problem of feminists disparaging women who choose to invest in their children, and it’s making women who are in careers, who would prefer to be with their children, unhappy. Hopefully, future feminists will become more flexible about letting women make their own choices and supporting it.
Karen says
Yes. Nobody should have to be a thrall to some political group or identity.
Georg says
Must be odd to lie like that without any sense of embarrassment or irony.
boakai ngombu says
in the village this skill was known as: lying with confidence
Wellington says
“Islam places womenfolk at higher pedestal.”
Yeah, only if you are subservient to males and only if, Allah forbid, you don’t reveal a neckline, bare arms, wear make-up, bare calves, show cleavage, etc. If you do, then you are not on a higher pedestal and thus deserving of rape, sodomy and/or death.
Oh yeah, who but a rank and bigoted Islamophobe would assert otherwise about the enlightened religion for women which is Mo’s creed? Meanwhile, Western feminists in droves continue to harp on how terrible the Western man is while completely overlooking the total denigration of women which Islam is so culpable of.
As much as I detest Islam, and I do, I detest Western feminism (a subset of Western Leftism) even more because at least Islam is not as hypocritical as Western feminism. It’s a deuce difficult thing to outdo the misogyny of Islam but Western feminism has “accomplished” exactly this where assessing what Islam holds in store for women is concerned. Just as the EU and UN should be rejected because they are bureaucratic hypocrites who are control freaks, full of bad ideas and overlook who the real bad guys are, so can this be said of Western feminism, which, bitterly ironically, has become inimical to women’s interests many times over.
Arthur says
In Islam, women are placed on a pedestal.
Particularly those infidel women.. in the center of the slave market… during the auction–they bring a higher price that way.
Strange though, that Islam claims weary multiparous mothers are highest on the pedestal, as they generally bring in the lowest prices in the slave market.
https://www.christianpost.com/news/young-girls-sell-for-165-at-islamic-state-slave-markets-price-list-verified-by-un-official-142345/
gravenimage says
Spot on, Arthur.
Cheer Bear Girl says
I am not buying this nonsense. You’d have to be a complete fool to buy.
HugoHackenbush says
Yes, indeed. And safely encapsulated in Carbonite (philosophic and as close to physical as possible).
Sarah says
Sure, Islam places women on a pedestal.
It’s just that their pedestal is seated down in the dirt amongst the ‘unclean’ animals that every Muslim seems to hate so much, like dogs and pigs, while the men are on thrones, looming over it all.
sidney penny says
The news report does not say what evidence was provided to show that
“Islam has placed womenfolk at a higher pedestal in society as a mother, wife, daughter and sister.”
“These views were expressed in a seminar here on Saturday to mark the World Women’s Day.”
By who? and what evidence did they provide?
Why did they not do what Robert Spencer did and give us the evidence from the sources?
Islamic mirror says
An in-depth 2016 analysis of all the world’s nations ranked them with respect to a whole range of women’s rights. Of the bottom 20 nations, 17 were Muslim-majority, as one can learn here:
http://www.goo.gl/dVLRDs
“They(muslims) will call bad good and good bad,'(Isaiah 5)
Muslim always say good but action always bad
Marriage of a prostitute in Iran is VERY well known then the guy divorces them when your done with them….I was told about this while living in UAE, they claim it’s not fornication. (doing this in another country they also think their sin won’t be known) that’s actually why many Saudi’s go to UAE for the weekend….no one in their family will see them buy & drink alcohol etc.
They constantly LIE about their beliefs & what they actually do. Neways just sharing. I loved the TRUTH in this video. Thanks!
Read page 50 of ‘The Little Green Book’ by the famous (infamous) Ayatollah Khomeini. It will tell you in detail about the biology of females, and how, if they bleed from the left or right side of their vagina ?????? (I forgot which) it is either menstrual blood, or blood from an abcess! Yes, indeed, the Ayatollah will also instruct you how much money you must pay if you have sex with your wife during her menstrual cycle (depending on which day and depth of insertion), and how you are allowed to sodomize her during this time.
In yet another section of the book, he will tell you that it is ok to have sex with your wife’s dead body, as long as the body is still warm! Mmmmm ….
There is also a section of advice on how to sexually abuse animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, but selling the meat to a neighbouring village is reasonable, I guess when a wife is not available.
(Are (marine animals) such as dolphins and tuna forbidden for the adventurous Muslim male, or is that just an oversight from the desert dwelling Bedouin self-indulgent messenger of Allah’s list of Revelation Wet Dreams?)
{A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable. If a man does penetrate and damage the child then, he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl will not count as one of his four permanent wives and the man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister… It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband’s house, rather than her father’s home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven. [“Tahrirolvasyleh”, fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990]
Women being less worth than men? “It’s the will of Allah.” Daughters being sold off like cattle to old perverts? “It’s the will of Allah.” Rinse and repeat.
Sahih Bukhari (62:58) – A woman presents herself in marriage to Muhammad, but he does not find her attractive, so he “donates” her on the spot to another man.
Women have NO rights, not even to their own bodies!
Forgiving and merciful when it comes to the male attackers.
It is a staple of Islamic supremacist rhetoric that the West is a sinkhole of immorality, where all women dress like prostitutes and are insatiably promiscuous. Muslim *raping infidel is not immoral. “punishment”.
He was probably INSTRUCTED this in the mosque, Koran. “It is their punishment for disbelief” – Maulana Bulandshahri.
[This is sadly, pretty much a daily occurrence in Western Europe. Please Google – with a heavy heart – the very young British girl who was raped repeatedly, by Muslim Turks, then murdered, and made into ‘kebabs’ so as to dispose of her body, in their Kebab Takeaway. Or the Italian teenager last week who was raped, hacked to death, and whose body parts were dumped in several suitcases. These examples are the work of inhuman Denons. —Save Europe]
Quran 4:24 : and married women(are also forbidden), except all that your right hand possesses. This is the decree of allah for you. And it is lawful to you, beside this, to seek out women with your money, chaste without fornication So whatever you enjoy by it from them, so give them their wages; it is an ordinance. And there will be no sin on you about what you have mutually agreed on after the ordinance. Surely allah was knowing, wise.
Quran (4:24) and Quran (33:50) – A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage. Note that the verse distinguishes wives from captives (those whom their ‘right hand possesses”).
Marriage for fun (prostitute) – Hadith muslim 3476-3501
The contrast between Islamic and Christian teachings cannot be further apart: “Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her” (Ephesians 5:25). To Timothy, Paul instructs: “Treat younger men as brothers, 2 older women as mothers, and younger women as sisters, with absolute purity.” (1 Tomothy 5:1,2)
To see the difference, women in Christianity and islam . Please google to see,
• Women in islam u-tube video by a Egyptian scholar Usama Dakdok.
• Christian Prince – Wife beating u-tube video
Virgins, Raisins, and Sexy Serving Boys – Heina Dadabhoy – The Sexy Secular Conference
Please google WOMEN IN ISLAM: How did Muhammad REALLY Treat Them?
Trinity channel Beithe Grove
Canadian Muslims Preach Patriarchy, Wife Beating: In Their Own Words u-tube video
Comments: Dictatorial Lunacy and hypocrisy passed on, as allah words . Presented as a religion…. Wao! Wake up world! barbaric religion that says….. beating women is love
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– men are in charge of women https://quran.com/4/34
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– women worth half https://quran.com/2/282, https://quran.com/4/11
– sex slavery https://quran.com/4/24
– women are your fields https://quran.com/2/223
– men above women https://quran.com/2/228
– women are deficient in intelligence http://quranx.com/Hadith/Bukhari/USC-…
– women are satanic http://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/USC-M…
– women are weak http://quranx.com/Hadith/Bukhari/USC-…
– women belong to men https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farewel…
– women must always submit to husband’s sexual desire http://quranx.com/hadith/bukhari/In-B…
– women should be worshiping men http://quranx.com/Hadith/IbnMajah/Dar…
– you can take women captive and rape them http://quranx.com/Hadith/AbuDawud/Dar…
– countries led by women are doomed http://quranx.com/Hadith/Bukhari/USC-…
– women shouldn’t complain when beaten http://quranx.com/Hadith/AbuDawud/USC…
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In Afghanistan 92% of WOMEN think a man is justified in beating his wives for several reasons http://www.prb.org/Publications/Artic…
In Sudan 47% of women think a man can beat his wife, while more, the majority of men think the same. https://mics-surveys-prod.s3.amazonaw…
In Balochistan, one of Pakistan’s 4 provinces 62% of women agree that a husband is justified in beating his wife: https://mics-surveys-prod.s3.amazonaw…
In Iraq more than 51% of WOMEN agree: https://mics-surveys-prod.s3.amazonaw…
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Islamic mirror says
In the Coran, Hallah NEVER talks to women. He indeed talks ABOUT women (to men) but never to them. I think that’s proof of misogyny.
Qur’an’s justification beating women/The mandate to beat one’s wife is in the Qur’an
Is this the standard set by that fabled civil rights hero, Mohammad, who set all the slaves free, elevated women to equality, and hugged all the infidels?
The constitution of Saudi Arabia is the Quran
The Qur’an, Hadiths (mohammed’s saying/speech) , and Sira (life) all condone wife-beating. The “Prophet” himself beat his wives, including his favorite wife, young Aisha.
“Australia – Broadmeadows : Muslim who gouged out his wife’s right eye in June 2016 before slaughtering her with knife in front of their 3 children told police it was “normal” behavior in the Middle East, “I’ve done nothing wrong.” . the removal of his wife’s eye was indicative of the man’s religious beliefs and his “extreme interpretation of his own religion”.
“Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God’s guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All-high, All-great.” — Qur’an 4:34
Good Muslim. Allah is obviously a male too.
A woman deity would defy this Pig-dom. Allah is prideful too. (All Muslims PARTNER with Allah.) The core texts of Islam in effect carefully explain that it is a Muslim’s greatest duty to PARTNER with Allah. This is so obvious that Islam includes a … Disclaimer of Denial.
Forget Islam’s diversion of the Islamic disclaimer of not partnering with Allah. That is merely a ploy to divert attention and it has no more validity than the oft repeated phrase (Allah the ….. Compassionate one)
For starters, Islamic teachings state….
Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. (Qur’an 4:34)
Contemporary translations sometimes water down the word “beat,” but it is the same word “Darb” used in verse 8:12 and clearly means “to strike.”
Qur’an 4:34 gives the practice divine sanction. it is a husband’s prerogative according to the words of Allah himself
Why are so many Quran passages so hard to understand? Let’s take chapter 4, verse 34 as an example. It goes:
“Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other [ Allah has made the one *what* superior the other what? Is Allah comparing one sex to another sex, or one religion to another religion, or alternating current to direct current?
And which one is superior and which is inferior?], and because they spend their wealth to maintain them [Pronoun problems: Who spends whose wealth to maintain whom?] .
Allah has trouble with antecedentless pronouns too (in 4:34, who are “they” and “them”?). About 1/5 of his classical Arabic is said to be garbled, and his English is not very clear either.
Good women are obedient. [Obedient to whom?] woman with no choices, forced into the strict parameters that her filthy religion caged her in for her entire life
Mohamed, not the West, is the one who mandated that women “Abide contentedly in their houses” (Qur’an 33: 33) And it is Muslim men who enforce this edict with honor killings. stop playing the victim.
They guard their unseen parts [What are the unseen parts of good women? Their internal organs, like their spleen, liver, and duodenum? How do they guard these unseen parts?]
because Allah has guarded them [If Allah has guarded good women’s unseen parts, why has Allah stopped guarding these parts, leaving the task to the good women themselves?
And what are the good women guarding their unseen parts *from*? From infection? How?].
who must guard in the husband’s absence and cannot go anywhere without a relative, could go to work or college while the husband is also at work? And that striking the wife? Moderate?
As for those [meaning those good women?] from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them.” [This last passage is fairly clear, but why are the other passages so vague? Is this just a bad translation of the classical Arabic, or was Allah just as mealy-mouthed in the original language as in this translation?]
Quran (24:31) – Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye
Quran 24:31 commands women to cover so thoroughly as to reduce their capacity to provoke temptation, and to hide their “adornments.” If a woman does not completely cover, then she is fair game to be “abused” (Quran 33:59).
Suras 24:31 and 33:59, as with 4:34, all have the same motive, that good women cover themselves and bad women don’t.
women are not covered as per the dictates of Islamic doctrine? (Quran 24:31, Quran 33:59)
sharia law involving an adulteress being flogged in the city square…. moral police armed with long canes who can whip women for showing too much hair or skin?
That might familiarise the locals with what happens in parts of the world where hijabs are compulsory….It was only late last year when women in Iran were disfigured and blinded in acid attacks for daring to contravene the country’s strict hijab code.
The hijab -Shrouding the identity of women is a symbol of the lower status of women in the House of Islam, and in the House of War, it is often a public declaration of sharia adherence and supremacist pride
What about the uncovered body parts blown up by suicide bombers?
How do you personally determine when it’s the right time to beat your wife and how severely? No the verse that says beatins is to be done in front of several witnesses
Islamic mirror says
**Yes**. This is the truth on the ground. 4.34 revelation is mohammed’s deception
Muhammad said don’t beat your wives. “Allah” specifically overruled Muhammad on precisely that point, and “forced” him to reveal 4:34, commanding that Muslim men beat their wives. Here is the context of 4:34 provided by al-Wahidi
“(Men are in charge of women…) [4:34]. Said Muqatil: “This verse (Men are in charge of women…) was revealed about Sa”d ibn al-Rabi”, who was one of the leaders of the Helpers (nuqaba’), and his wife Habibah bint Zayd ibn Abi Zuhayr, both of whom from the Helpers. It happened Sa”d hit his wife on the face because she rebelled against him. Then her father went with her to see the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace. He said to him: “I gave him my daughter in marriage and he slapped her’. The Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, said: “Let her have retaliation against her husband’. As she was leaving with her father to execute retaliation,
the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, called them and said: “Come back; Gabriel has come to me’, and Allah, exalted is He, revealed this verse. The Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, said: “We wanted something while Allah wanted something else, and that which Allah wants is good’. Retaliation was then suspended”.
Sa”id ibn Muhammad ibn Ahmad al-Zahid informed us> Zahir ibn Ahmad> Ahmad ibn al-Husayn ibn Junayd> Ziyad ibn Ayyub> Hushaym> Yunus ibn al-Hasan who reported that a man slapped his wife and she complained about him to the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace. Her family who went with her said: “O Messenger of Allah! So-and-so has slapped our girl”. The Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, kept saying: “Retaliation! Retaliation! And there is no other judgement to be held”. But then this verse (Men are in charge of women…) was revealed and the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, said: “We wanted something and Allah wanted something else”. Abu Bakr al-Harithi informed us> Abu’l-Shaykh al-Hafiz> Abu Yahya al-Razi> Sahl al-“Askari> “Ali ibn Hashim> Isma”il> al-Hasan who said:
“Around the time when the verse on retaliation was revealed amongst the Muslims, a man had slapped his wife. She went to the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace and said: “My husband has slapped me and I want retaliation’. So he said: “Let there be retaliation’. As he was still dealing with her, Allah, exalted is He, revealed (Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other…). Upon which the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, said: “We wanted something and my Lord wanted something different. O man, take your wife by the hand’ “.
http://www.altafsir.com/AsbabAlnuzol.asp?SoraName=4&Ayah=34&search=yes&img=A
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Muhammad successfully negotiated a deal with Allah to reduce the number of prayers from 50 per day that Allah wanted to 5 per day that Muhammad insisted upon. Allah backed down and gave in.
So how is it that Muhammad the perfect example for all Muslims could not negotiate a deal for Muslim men to not beat their wives?
Since Aisha was MO’s favorite wife this must have caused him great distress to have to beat on her at Allah’s insistence.
Qur’an 2:223 — Your women are your tilth, so come into your tillage how you choose; but do a previous good act for yourselves, and fear God, and know that ye are going to meet Him; and give good tidings unto those who do believe
002.223: “Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe.”
Quran (2:223) – “Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will…” A man has dominion over his wives’ bodies as he does his land. This verse is overtly sexual. There is some dispute as to whether it is referring to the practice of anal intercourse. If this is what Muhammad meant, then it would appear to contradict what he said in Muslim (8:3365).
[the quran says wives are “tilth” to be seeded, whenever and however the husband pleases…..
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=2&verse=223%5D
Qur’an (38:44) – “And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath…” [Allah telling Job to beat his wife]
What crap. Qur’an 3:43 affirms that Muslims can beat their wives if they so much as fear disobedience. And this Sura says *nothing* about the beating being light or symbolic.
PREPOSTEROUS: FRAUD! From the Hadith:
Bukhari (72:715) – A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being “greener” than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires.
(Of course not all Muslims practice this, but to say that it is not in Islamic teachings — well, shall we say, this is not the first effort to conceal the teachings within Islam that are used to justify human rights abuses against women.) Yet time and again, violence against Muslim women is framed as “honour-based,” further stigmatizing victims. labelling violence against women as honour-based could actually deter victims from reporting it, for a variety of reasons: They might believe they were deserving of such treatment, or might fear stigmatizing their entire family or community if they were to speak up.)
(Sahih Bukhari 7.72.715)– “Aisha said, ‘I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women’” This is Muhammad’s own wife complaining of the abuse that the women of her religions suffer relative to other women.
-Aisha commenting on a Muslim wife whose skin was green from beatings (Sahih al Bukhari 5825)
Islamic mirror says
“Hang up your scourge where your wife can see it.” Kash-shaf (the revealer) of al-Zamkhshari (Vol. 1, p. 525)
– Umar Instructs A Man To Beat His Wife and Have Sex with a Slave
Malik Ibn Anas:
Yahya related to me from Malik that Abdullah ibn Dinar said, “A man came to Abdullah ibn Umar when I was with him at the place where judgments were given and asked him about the suckling of an older person. Abdullah ibn Umar replied, ‘A man came to Umar ibn al-Khattab and said, ‘I have a slave-girl and I used to have intercourse with her. My wife went to her and suckled her. When I went to the girl, my wife told me to watch out, because she had suckled her!’ Umar told him to beat his wife and to go to his slave-girl because kinship by suckling was only by the suckling of the young’.
Muslim (4:2127) – Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission. Aisha narrates, “He struck me on the chest which caused me pain.”
In reality, Aisha reports that Muhammad struck her. Once he went out at night after he thought she was asleep, and she followed him surreptitiously. Muhammad saw her, and, as Aisha recounts: “He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?” (Sahih Muslim 2127)
Mohammed himself once deliberately struck ‘Aisha “on the chest which caused me pain”, according to Sahih Muslim vol.2 book 4 ch.352 no.2127 p.462.
There was other discord too. One incident, started by A’isha was so bad, Mohammed kept away from his wives for a month 29 days) Ibn-i-Majah vol.3 no.2060 p.241. Ibn-i-Majah vol.3 no.2063 p.243. This is the context of Sura 50:1.
[Islamic monument of “justice”: “Apostle of allah” striking his child-bride in her chest (causing severe pain) and then blatantly naming it “justice”! Whom those Mohammedans have had chosen as their “role model” to emulate? – Voytek Gagalka]
Muhammad is known to beat Kinana’s sister who wailed over the dead and beheaded body of her brother and her husband. Next as she was laughing and wailing loudly, the butcher prophet had her beheaded.
Muslim (9:3506) – Muhammad’s father-in-laws (Abu Bakr and Umar) amused him by slapping his wives (Aisha and Hafsa) for annoying him. According to the Hadith, the prophet of Islam laughed upon hearing this.
Abu Dawud (2141) – “Iyas bin ‘Abd Allah bin Abi Dhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not beat Allah’s handmaidens, but when ‘Umar came to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave PERMISSION to beat them.” At FIRST, Muhammad forbade men from beating their wives, BUT he RESCINDED this once it was reported that women were becoming emboldened toward their husbands. –
Abu Dawud (2142) – “The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife
o – Abu Dawud (2142) – The Prophet.. asked: why he beat his wife?
See how it works. Devil is in the details.
o *********Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Salik) – Classic Manual for Islamic Law
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“The husband may forbid his wife to leave the home…because of the hadith related by Bayhaqi that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, ‘It is not permissible for a woman who believes in Allah and the Last Day to allow someone into her husband’s house if he is opposed, or to go out if he is averse’” (Reliance of the Traveller m10.4).
That is from a manual of Islamic law that al-Azhar, the foremost institution in Sunni Islam, certifies as “conforming to the practice and faith of the orthodox Sunni community.”
m 10.12 – DEALING WITH A REBELIOUS WIFE , page 540:
“Rebelliousness on the part of the wife nullifies the husband’s obligation to support her, gives him permission to beat her and keep her from leaving the home.” This is Sharia law. They can’t be true muslims without Sharia law.
“When a husband notices signs of rebelliousness in his wife whether in words, as when she answers him coldly when she used to do so politely. or he asks her to come to bed and she refuses. contrary to her usual habit; or whether in acts, as when he finds her averse to him when she was previously kind and cheerful). he warns her in words without keeping from her or hitting her, for it may be that she has an excuse. The warning could be to tell her, “Fear Allah concerning the rights you owe to me,” or it could be to explain that rebelliousness nullifies his obligation to support her and give her a turn amongst other wives, or it could be to inform her, “Your obeying me is religiously obligatory”. If she commits rebelliousness, he keeps from sleeping (0: and having sex) with her without words, and MAY HIT HER, but not in a way that injures her, meaning he may not (A: bruise her,) break bones, wound her, or cause blood to flow. (0: It is unlawful to strike another’s face.) HE MAY HIT HER whether she is rebellious only once or whether more than once, though a weaker opinion holds that he may not hit her unless there is repeated rebelliousness.
Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 11, Number 2138:
Narrated Mu’awiyah ibn Haydah:I said: Apostle of Allah, how should we approach our wives and how should we leave them? He replied: Approach your tilth when or how you will, give her (your wife) food when you take food, clothe when you clothe yourself, do not revile her face, and do not beat her.
Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 11, Number 2137:
Narrated Mu’awiyah al-Qushayri:
Mu’awiyah asked: Apostle of Allah, what is the right of the wife of one of us over him? He replied: That you should give her food when you eat, clothe her when you clothe yourself, do not strike her on the face, do not revile her or separate yourself from her except in the house.
But then there was this:
Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 11, Number 2141:
“Narrated Abdullah ibn AbuDhubab: “Iyas ibn Abdullah ibn AbuDhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) as saying: Do not beat Allah’s handmaidens, but when Umar came to the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them.
Then many women came round the family of the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) complaining against their husbands. So the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) said: Many women have gone round Muhammad’s family complaining against their husbands. They are not the best among you.””
Hadith , Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 11, Number 2142:
“Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.”:
(Muslims should be very proud of their prophet, especially women, who tend to be more religious than men!
There is a growing trend among modern Muslims to distance themselves from any hadith (or all of them) that shames Islam. They find it an easier option, as it preserves Mohammed’s integrity. They find the vagueness of the Quran helpful to interpret the verses as they wish.)
Islamic mirror says
It’s not just one verse of the Qur’an, but the whole Muslim mind-set. Beating is not just for women, children, slaves and dhimmis: it’s a part of the very fabric of how Islamic society controls its members. “protecting the abuser” is but entirely consistent with the concept of the Islamic umma. Here is a very chilling modern source http://muttaqun.com/abuse.html.
Bukhari 3:509. Ocba ibn Al-Harith said: “When An-Nuaman or his son was brought in a state of drunkenness, Allah’s Apostle ordered everyone present in the house to beat him. I was one of those who beat him. We beat him with shoes and palm-leaf stalks.”
A mere thump of the type Muhammad and Abu Bakr were wont to give Ayesha did not count as a “beating”. Note that Abu Bakr saw nothing wrong with striking Ayesha after she had married Muhammad, and Muhammad had very little problem with it either.
An-Nasaai. The Prophet never beat any of his wives or servants; in fact, he did not strike any living being with his hand except in the cause of Allah or when the prohibitions of Allah had been violated, and he retaliated on behalf of Allah.
There is a level of violence that counts as real “beating” yet still has certain limits. Muslims proudly cite traditions like the following as evidence of serious compassion and moderation.
Bukhari 3:734. Abu Hurayra said that the Prophet said: “If somebody beats somebody then he should avoid the face.”
The types of rebellion that attract a beating are clearly defined.
Abu Dawud. As-Sabura said: “The Prophet said: Order your children to pray at the age of seven. And beat them if they do not do so by the age of ten.”
Bukhari 883. Nafi said, “Omar’s son used to beat his children for mistakes in diction.”
Beating was a widely-approved method of corporal punishment in the time of Muhammad, according to the hadith. There is no question according to the hadith that Muhammad’s final policy regarding wives and slave girls is that they were to be beaten (or worse). Here is further confirmation that beating was a standard practice,
Beatings approved by Muhammad or at least one companion who became a rightly-guided caliph:
• Beating for not doing prayer:
Narrated As-Saburah: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Command a boy to pray when he reaches the age of seven years. When he becomes ten years old, then beat him for prayer. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book #2, Hadith #0494)
Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-‘As: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: Command your children to pray when they become seven years old, and beat them for it (prayer) when they become ten years old; and arrange their beds (to sleep) separately. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book #2, Hadith #0495)
• Beating for doing the wrong kind of prayer or wrong timing:
Malik’s Muwatta: Yahya related to me from Malik from Abdullah ibn Dinar from Abdullah ibn Umar that Umar ibn al-Khattab used to say, “Do not intend to do your prayer at either sunrise or sunset, for the horns of Shaytan rise with the rising of the sun and set with its setting.” Umar used to beat people for that kind of prayer. (Book #15, Hadith #15.10.49)
Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab from as-Sa’ib ibn Yazid that he saw Umar ibn al-Khattab beating al-Munkadir for praying after asr. (Book #15, Hadith #15.10.50)
• Beating for asking “foolish questions”:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab that al-Qasim ibn Muhammad said that he had heard a man asking ibn Abbas about booty. Ibn Abbas said, “Horses are part of the booty and personal effects are as well.” Then the man repeated his question, and Ibn Abbas repeated his answer. Then the man said, “What are the spoils which He, the Blessed, the Exalted, mentioned in His Book?” He kept on asking until Ibn Abbas was on the verge of being annoyed, then Ibn Abbas said, “Do you know who this man is like? Ibn Sabigh, who was beaten by Umar ibn al-Khattab because he was notorious for asking foolish questions.” Yahya said that Malik was asked whether someone who killed one of the enemy could keep the man’s effects without the permission of the Imam. He said, “No one can do that without the permission of the Imam. Only the Imam can make ijtihad. I have not heard that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, ever said, ‘Whoever kills someone can have his effects,’ on any other day than the day of Hunayn.” 3 (Malik’s Muwatta, Book #21, Hadith #21.10.19)
• Beating a wife for objecting to her husband’s slave girl:
Yahya related to me from Malik that Abdullah ibn Dinar said, “A man came to Abdullah ibn Umar when I was with him at the place where judgments were given and asked him about the suckling of an older person. Abdullah ibn Umar replied, ‘A man came to Umar ibn al-Khattab and said, ‘I have a slave-girl and I used to have intercourse with her. My wife went to her and suckled her. When I went to the girl, my wife told me to watch out, because she had suckled her!’ Umar told him to beat his wife and to go to his slave-girl because kinship by suckling was only by the suckling of the young.’ ” (Malik’s Muwatta, Book #30, Hadith #30.2.13)
• Beating for playing games:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi from Abdullah ibn Umar that when he found one of his family playing dice he beat him and destroyed the dice. Yahya said that he heard Malik say, “There is no good in chess, and he disapproved of it.” Yahya said, “I heard him disapprove of playing it and other worthless games. He recited this ayat, ‘What is there after the truth except going the wrong way.’ ” (Sura l0 ayat 32). (Malik’s Muwatta, Book #52, Hadith #52.2.7)
gravenimage says
Good posts, Islamic Mirror.
Politicianophobia says
When I use to attend court, the judge, who I considered a left loon, was listening to a case about a man beating a woman with a golf club said to the woman —You must have provoked him– I wanted to get up and hit the judge but I walked out instead. I would not last long in the muslim world.
Islamic mirror says
Anyone who accuses someone else of sexual sin must bring four witnesses; Rape is capital offence, but for a Muslim not Rape infidel girl or revealing clothes girl is Allah offence. The penalty for Allah offence is death.
Islam’s own primary source texts and Islamic history prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it is a rape cult.
For a woman to prove rape, four adult males of “impeccable” character must witness the incident. if not, the accuser gets eighty lashes (24:4);
an ideology invented by a rapist? Islam’s doctrines sanctify all acts that other religions consider to be sexual abuse, hence there can be no sexual abuse charges raised against muslim men. Therefore, the number of incidents of sexual abuse go down exponentially. It’s the old argument that if something is not reported, it did not occur. NO ONE SHOULD BUY THIS MAN’S BS.
Systemic misogyny and systemic patriarchy combine in Islam to create a systemic rape culture… just don’t do it to a Muslim woman. However, when a Muslim rapes a Muslim woman or girl… don’t worry! Sharia law requires four males to witness or eight females to witness it … the lights must be on so they can see it clearly and they must see rape from a good angle to know that it isn’t just rubbing against the woman. Since all these conditions cannot be met perfectly, no rape can be proved to the satisfaction of a Sharia court.
20% of quran is loving and peaceful towards allah and muslim brother. Not a single verse peaceful and be nice towards muslim sister. It takes two to commit adultery. Allah/mo condemn women to death by stoning.
The Qur’an teaches that Infidel women can be lawfully taken for sexual use (cf. its allowance for a man to take “captives of the right hand,” 4:3, 4:24, 23:1-6, 33:50, 70:30). The Qur’an says: “O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.” (33:59)
The implication there is that if women do not cover themselves adequately with their outer garments, they may be abused, and that such abuse would be justified.
We’re SHOCKED! So SHOCKED that Muslims are obeying the DECREE of Allah in K.4.24 (taking married captives for sex) and K.33.59 (‘molesting’ unveiled women). Islam has nothing to do with Islam.
At any rate, K.4.24 even clearly states that married captives may be raped…if they are infidel, disbelieving kafirs. This shows that not only is Islam a religion of rape, but a religion of complete bigotry. Rape is shown by K.4.224 to be normative Islam, rather than an aberration.
K.4.24 allows the rape of married captives, but K.33.59 permits unveiled women to be ‘MOLESTED’ as the verse clearly states.
question for Muslims: Look at verse K.33.59 and explain… WHO will do the ‘MOLESTING’ of the unveiled women?
K.4.24 implies that unveiled women will be mistaken for KAFIR women and molested by Muslim males. Enjoy posing this question to Muslims…often.). It is only under Islam that women are raped–or flogged, or murdered–for not adhering to a dress code. the Islamic point of view, the question is that it is a DIVINE ORDANCE and not just a cultural norm. many Muslim women agree with this–that women (Infidels or the “insufficiently Islamic”) should be raped. Wear a tent. Or else. The “Prophet” himself raped women in Jihad and used them as sex slaves. He actually chided his thuggish companions for *not* raping their captives (they were not concerned with the well-being of their captives, of course, but over ransom). He accepted the gift of a sex slave, and raped her. He murdered a woman’s husband and father, and then raped her that night in his tent . Rape is capital offence, but for a Muslim not Rape infidel girl or revealing clothes girl is Allah offence. The penalty for Allah offence is death.
Politicianophobia says
The day I walked into the mosque the women were sitting on the floor–all covered up– and the dude in the long dress, sat on a stool in the middle of them all. At first glance one might think it was musical chairs.
CRUSADER says
Musical chairs — but whereby the women ALWAYS lose out in the “game” men play.
CRUSADER says
YIKES!!!
From the photo, it seems they are CLONING !!!!
LeftisruiningCanada says
Don’t they bud off new ones?
LeftisruiningCanada says
My only question is:
Higher than what?
gravenimage says
+1
Politicianophobia says
I hate looking at that picture of the oppressed women. I love the wind blowing my hair around and the nice, warm feel of the sun on my body. Islam is NOT for me.
gravenimage says
+1
LeftisruiningCanada says
So haram.
Grizzly says
“Islam places womenfolk at higher pedestal.”… the easier to look up their burkas.
paul budrunas says
Apparently this Pakistani dude is unaware that women in the Koran have no place in paradise except as sex slaves for the Muslim men in paradise. Muslim women have absolutely no respected place in paradise…they are only there to be continually renewed as virgins solely for Muslim men in paradise to enjoy as sex objects to be used by men in paradise. Notice that Muhammed promised all these wandering tribal males 72 virgins in paradise but promised women in paradise SQUAT! To become a Muslim requires an IQ no higher than that of a banana.
gravenimage says
Pakistan seminar: “Islam places womenfolk at higher pedestal”
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That “pedestal” is used for flogging them…
MFritz says
Never forget that they NEED women to run their society! So they must pander to them to keep them in line as wifes, servants and accomplices. And nothing will change.
gravenimage says
MFritz, I don’t believe that this seminar is pandering to women–instead, it is pandering to the West. And just for now–this will no longer be necessary once they have conquered us…