In this new video, I discuss the case of Arafat Nagi, a jihad terror plotter in Lackawanna, New York who was turned in to law enforcement by his fellow Muslims.
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Lebelsays
It is because you are selective in your reporting in order to encourage hatred against Muslim and collective responsibility. You are supposed to emulate Christ but you are doing the opposite because it is impossible that you are unaware of the below events.
Here is a non-exhaustive list from 2002-2010:
October 2001: The conviction of “Portland 7” case was substantially helped after a local police officer encountered the suspects engaged in target practice. The police officer had been sent to the area after a local citizen notified police that he heard gunfire.
September 2002: Members of the “Lackawanna 6” are arrested. FBI first becomes aware of their activities in June 2001 when a local Muslim community member tips off the FBI.
March 2002: FBI become aware of a possible terror plot by Imran Mandhai (and later Shueyb Jokhan) after they are notified by an American Muslim named “Saif Allah” who attended Mandhai and Jokhan’s same mosque provides a tip.
June 2003: FBI receive two tips from community members notifying them “military-style training” was being conducted suspect by Ali Al-Tamimi. The tip set in motion an
investigation later leading to the arrest of the so-called “Paintball 11” in Northern Virginia.
August 2004: James Elshafay and Shahwar Matin Siraj are arrested largely based on the controversial use of an informant in the investigation. However, NYPD were first notified of Siraj after a Muslim community member anonymously notifies New York police about consistently troubling rhetoric coming from the suspect.
February 2006: Muslim community members in Ohio provide information helping to arrest and eventually convict 3 suspects planning attacks in Iraq.
July 2009: Mosque leaders in Raleigh, North Carolina, contact law enforcement to notify them of “violent, threatening action … considered to be dangerous” leading to the arrest of Daniel Boyd and 6 other individuals.
November 2009: Five Virginia Muslim youth are arrested in Pakistan, allegedly seeking to join a terror group, after family members told American federal authorities they went
missing.
April 2010: Senegalese Muslim Alioune Niass first spots the suspicious vehicle used as a bomb to attack Times Square in New York City. Clues from the vehicle and defused
explosive immediately led to the suspect, Faisal Shahzad’s, arrest.
June 2010: Suspects Mohammed Mahmoud Alessa and Carlos Eduardo Almonte are arrested, after the FBI first receives an anonymous report in 2006 from one of the suspects’ family members. News reports indicate one of Alessa’s family members provided the tip.
• October 2010: Former Hawaii resident Abdel Hamid Shehadeh is arrested for attempting to join the Taliban. Local media noted that the Muslim Association of Hawaii “assisted law enforcement agencies in the case” and that it has “in the past reported suspicious activities.”
• October 2010: Farooque Ahmed is arrested on charges of allegedly attempting to bomb the Washington, DC metro railway system. The FBI first learns of Ahmed’s intentions from a community tip-off.
• October 2010: An attempt by Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula to bomb Western targets using air cargo transportation is prevented by US and European authorities. Intelligence that prevented the plot came from ex-militant Jabr al-Faifi, who voluntarily handed himself into Saudi authorities.
• November 2010: Mohamed Osman Mohamud is arrested for attempting to bomb a Christmas tree-lighting ceremony in Portland, Oregon. The New York Times notes, “In the Oregon [Mohamud] case, the FBI received a tip from a Portland Muslim.”
• December 2010: Antonio Martinez is arrested for attempting to bomb a military recruiting center in Maryland. Statements from Justice Department officials indicate a Muslim community member reported Martinez to the FBI during its ongoing investigation.
• June 2011: Two Al-Qaeda inspired violent criminals planning to attack a military installation in Seattle are arrested by law enforcement. FBI officials first become aware of the planned attack after a fellow Muslim who was trying to be recruited into the conspiracy went to Seattle Police and informed them of the plot.
• January 2012: Violent Al-Qaeda sympathizer Sami Osmakac is arrested for planning to attack several sites in Tampa, Florida using guns and explosives. The U.S. Attorney for Central Florida noted, “This investigation was also predicated, in part, by assistance from the Muslim community.”
In support of Honest Ali’s deep and fact-rooted analysis. I can now confirm that this is Taqqiya level: Grandmaster. It’s to give the naive infidel the impression that not all Muslims are evil and should not be eradicated to the last one. Well done, honest Ali.
LeftisruiningCanadasays
Wonderful, some muslims ignore the dictates of mohammad and inform on their brothers to the infidel police.
Great!
It’s truly a good thing when people ignore mohammad.
Ray Searssays
YES, ” IT’S TRULY A GOOD THING WHEN PEOPLE IGNORE MOHAMMAD “. and are truthful about the child molesting pervert and all around scumbag named Mohammad.
Ashleysays
I think it is refreshing to see Muslims report nefarious activity among their own, Lebel. I mean that sincerely.
I propose you post such findings here for the sake of balance. Please include citations when available.
I don’t see the names of these Muslim heroes that ratted out their brethren. Why did they not want to be identified? Did they fear reprisal? Are they not deserving of recognition for their courage?
The brief snips you posted are a tad dated. Got anything hot and recent, say, from the last six years?
Always like to hear about a Muslim ratting out a potential Islamic terrorist. Hey…it isn’t too often that you can buy a unicorn ranch!
Thanks, Lebel. This is indeed refreshing and welcome news.
My concern is that you might be framing these incidents of Muslims alerting authorities to potential Islamic extremists as the rule and not the exception. I don’t see it that way.
We know radicalization is being promoted in prisons, mosques, social media, the dark web, propaganda, Islamic periodicals, etc. We know that the Quran is a pretty grim read. We know infidels are fair game for annihilation.
Do mosques boast a “SEE SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING!” poster on their bulletin boards?
Again, I think it is terrific that some Muslims see fit to report suspicious behavior. You cited some 30 examples.
That is about how many posts Robert pens in two days warning about the Islamic threat…
gravenimagesays
Exactly, Ashley.
gravenimagesays
The appalling Lebel wrote:
In support of Honest Ali’s deep and fact-rooted analysis. I can now confirm that this is Taqqiya level: Grandmaster. It’s to give the naive infidel the impression that not all Muslims are evil and should not be eradicated to the last one…
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The repulsive Lebel had pretended before that if any Infidels are concerned about pious Muslims waging violent Jihad against us then it is they are genocidal.
Talk about projection. *Ugh*.
Bindon Bloodsays
If you read your own scriptures and sunnah you will see that Believers must not support or offer friendship or trust to non believers; if they do they will be considered to be as one of the non believers. On the other handbelievers are allowed ,indeed encouraged to do whatever is necessary ,lie etc. even pretend to be Christians if it serves the purpose of Islam.
So these Muslims who report the terrorists to police are either not practicing Islam , doing what they consider best for Islam in the long run or apostates too frightened of their own people to come out but wanting to do the right thing.
libertyORdeathsays
Lebel, you act as though all Islamic supremacists are on the same team with the same ideals and tactics while that couldn’t be further from the truth.
The amount of violent and non-violent infighting between Sunnis, Shias, Sufis, Ahmadis, Kurds, Persians and Alawaites (amongst others) would be enough to motivate a “fellow muslim” to be opposed to one or more types of jihad but support others. This alone could explain the paltry number of cases that you cited. (BTW, all of the cases you mention have also been covered here or on other anti-jihad sites)
The issue being discussed by Robert is of the shroud of secrecy and the passive involvement of a huge number of Muslims in jihad terror by allowing it to go on unchecked. This is why we must totally change our immigration policy and our handling of the war on terror.
Do u not think that we are fully aware of the one way flow of immigration when it comes to Muslims? Do u think we don’t notice that the Islamic republics refuse any non-muslims to emigrate to their countries, ensuring the homogenous culture of ignorance that islam requires to survive? Do u think we are unaware of the stealth jihad and demographic warfare being waged on our modern civilization?
The fact that you would go to the trouble to “monitor” a counter-jihad site and then try to scold the writers and readers is enough for me to see your intentions. I also know that we strike fear into the hearts of every Islamist who is aware of the counter-jihad.
LeftisruiningCanadasays
+1
Lebelsays
“The fact that you would go to the trouble to “monitor” a counter-jihad site and then try to scold the writers and readers is enough for me to see your intentions. I also know that we strike fear into the hearts of every Islamist who is aware of the counter-jihad.”
Nonsense, there are literally no opposing viewpoints on this forum. Where are all the Muslims trying to debate with you? there are none.There is one guy named Ibrahim who comes in sometimes and there’s me. The rest of the time it’s an echo chamber, The main point of debate is whether all Muslims are really evil or just evil.
Tillysays
Dear lebel says
The reason for few muslims engaging with others on this site is the fact. When comments are made concerning islam and its koran. it is a bit difficult to refute the evidence of how mad it is.
Sorry for the lowercase as it is the only form of dissension I can use without being arrested.
Kind Regards
Some one who has had to see family members suffer because they are classed as non-human.
Vann Bosemansays
Go ahead. Debate. So far you have only posted incidental findings of Muslims who have ratted out other Muslims. @libertyORdeath raised numerous points that you ignored and merely responded by invoking your perceived status of being a victim. Your silence on this speaks to the truth that you or other Muslims have no points to make to counter with.
More non-Christians make comments here than professed Muslims. So when you say, “You are supposed to emulate Christ but you are doing the opposite because it is impossible that you are unaware of the below events,” one must recognize that you are so paralyzed with bigotry that you are incompetent to admit that Islam is unique in consideration of it as a religion in that it is first and foremost a blight upon the entire world.
It is mostly for Christians to speak to what I see as an overly broad interpretation of Christians obligation to emulate Christ. But you are vague in stating this. Christianity is strong enough to allow discussion and debate among denominations and within denominations. For example, I am aware that many devout Christians take strong exception to the question, “What would Jesus do?” I think you are just picking up the talking points of people in your circle without knowing what you are talking about.
libertyORdeathsays
This forum is simply one side of the story, but it’s a story that is often corrupted or completely covered up by most liberal media outlets.
BTW, there is VASTLY more television, newspaper and online coverage of the “opposing viewpoints” that you speak of and even quite a few Muslims who freely contribute to even this site that you label an “echo chamber”.
So what about the liberal echo chambers like the hundreds of television, online and newspapers that regurgitate the same stories and viewpoints that I’m sure you love.
What about the monolithic reporting of Muslim produced news outlets who spread false stories about fraudulent “islamophobia”? How about the Muslim and liberal outlets that completely ignore the non-muslim side of the story? Some recent examples are the coverage of the violence in Myanmar and now Sri Lanka.
How about the lack of reporting on the Muslim grooming gangs in the U.K. in the MSM? How about the long term denial regarding the spread and even the mere existence of no-go zones run by (illegal) immigrant muslims?
I’m sure you and the ummah would be thrilled if these stories were ONLY covered by fellow Muslims and dhimmis, but thankfully people have the ability to get different and often more accurate coverage of news regarding muslims from sites like this.
I can feel the fear in your response, and you should be afraid. People who have experienced true freedom will never submit to tyranny, whether thru despotic beaurocracy or autocratic religious regimes.
I also know that your real fear is that most of the world has moved beyond the idea that our lives should be completely ruled by religion and superstition. They are no longer willing to hate, kill, and destroy based on schizophrenic rants from 1400 years ago.
And just to be clear, I am NOT a Christian or the member of any other religion. I’m just a thinking human being who is always willing to see the other side of the story. I abhor ALL religious violence and believe that freedom loving people of any faith are good people including muslims.
Always remember that there is only one major religion with the stated goal of world domination and the slaughter of non-believers. Please don’t act so surprised when the modern world and a website stands up to Muslim aggression.
gravenimagesays
Lebel wrote:
“The fact that you would go to the trouble to “monitor” a counter-jihad site and then try to scold the writers and readers is enough for me to see your intentions. I also know that we strike fear into the hearts of every Islamist who is aware of the counter-jihad.”
Nonsense, there are literally no opposing viewpoints on this forum.
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This is an Anti-Jihad site. Is Lebel claiming that what we *really* need here is the pro-Jihad point of view?
God knows, we see enough of this in every bloody story of violent Jihad here.
More:
Where are all the Muslims trying to debate with you? there are none.There is one guy named Ibrahim who comes in sometimes and there’s me.
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Well, this is just bizarre. Firstly, there have been quite a few Muslims weighing in here over the years, including “Muslim2018” (“Muslim2017” of last year), Rezali Mehil, Sham, and many others.
They tend to be either dishonest Taqiyya artists or else Muslim supremacists, gloating over our supposed immanent conquest by Islam.
And there is nothing preventing Muslims from posting here. Unless they directly threaten people individually, they are free to comment. It is just that few of them actually have any interest in debating well-informed Infidels.
One of the strangest things is that Lebel now appears to be specifically allying himself with Ibrahim itace muhammed–a vicious Muslim surpremacist who confirms that Muslims can rape Infidel women and use them as sex slaves, that they can “marry” little children, that they can beat their wives, and that they have the right to slaughter any Infidels who do not submit to Islam.
Is this something that Lebel–who tries to pose as someone who is civilized–*really* wants to do?
Originally, Lebel presented himself as an ordinary Anti-Jihadist who just took issue with this or that discrete issue here. Of course, that was never very plausible, considering that he never had anything to say against Jihad itself (in all the years he has been posting here, I have only seen one post I might reasonable consider Anti-Jihad, where he acknowledges that one attack is probably Jihad). But now he seems to have dropped the mask completely. Just recently, he admitted that he hates Jihad Watch.
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The rest of the time it’s an echo chamber, The main point of debate is whether all Muslims are really evil or just evil.
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What a lot of claptrap. Jihad Watch exposes Jihad. Lebel may pretend this is not an issue, but there have been over 32,000 Jihad terror attacks just since 9/11–and things are getting worse.
No one–certainly not Robert Spencer–has ever said that all Muslms are evil. But Jihad *is* a serious threat, and–despite Lebel’s lame attempts to convince us otherwise–all too few Muslims stand with us in opposing it.
it is totally irrelevant that there are good Muslims who are reporting on the extremists…Ayan Hirsi Ali, Raheel Raza, Tarek Fatah, Salim Mansour, Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, and several others have been warning us for years of the dangers of CAIR, IRFAN, ISCC and other numerous Islamic organizations promoting the supremacist Wahabbi form of Islam which promotes violence and hatred. In Canada we can see the violence and hatred when Muslims are marching in the streets in the thousands celebrating al Quds day – their faces contorted in hatred promoting the death of Jews. The same goes for Palestine House in Toronto where the hatred of Jews is open and sickening….and Imams in the mosques can openly call for killing Jews and proclaim it is just peachy for an old man of 50 or 60 to marry a 10 year old. All this hatred and violence and nothing results from it but a deafening silence except to condemn anyone who actually exposes this hatred and violence emanating from Muslims. The Muslim rape gang epidemic in England in which thousands of girls some as young as 10 were raped, terrorized and prostituted was allowed to continue, and apparently is still a problem, out of fear of offending Muslim community sensibilities. This should have been front page news around the world but was so muted as to be non-existent news. The few good Muslims who are actually fighting against the jihadi fanatics are ignored and are irrelevant because the fanatics always win especially if society refuses to expose the violence and hatred emanating out of the Religion of Peace. Our politicians are too eager to charge anyone who criticizes Muslims as hate mongers and Islamophobes and allow the festering hatred to grow in our communities. The Trudeau govt is actually bringing back ISIS fighters and attempting to re-integrate them – this is what terrorist traitors are treated like in Canada now while anyone criticizing this atrocious travesty is treated with contempt and labelled a racist. The same type of people condoned the Nazi and Stalinist atrocities as being morally equivalent to the Western democracies.
Prophecysays
Well stated, Dwight Hogg.
gravenimagesays
The appalling Muslim apologist Lebel wrote:
It is because you are selective in your reporting in order to encourage hatred against Muslim and collective responsibility. You are supposed to emulate Christ but you are doing the opposite because it is impossible that you are unaware of the below events.
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How often do we hear *this* from Muslim apologists–that Christians are not being Christian enough if they dare notice the savagery of Islam–including, of course, Muslims being told never to cooperate with Infidels against other Muslims–including Jihadists?
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Here is a non-exhaustive list from 2002-2010:
October 2001: The conviction of “Portland 7” case was substantially helped after a local police officer encountered the suspects engaged in target practice. The police officer had been sent to the area after a local citizen notified police that he heard gunfire.
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Is there any reason to suppose that this “local citizen” was Muslim?
Muslims make up less than .1% of the population in the Portland, Oregon area, so this is damned unlikely.
Moreover, there is little reason to think that whoever called this in had any reason to suppose that the shooter was Muslim.
Pretending this is a case of a Muslim turning in a fellow Muslim to law enforcement is just ridiculous. That this is what Lebel leads with does not bode well for the rest of his post.
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September 2002: Members of the “Lackawanna 6” are arrested. FBI first becomes aware of their activities in June 2001 when a local Muslim community member tips off the FBI.
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This is the same community Robert Spencer cites in the story above.
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March 2002: FBI become aware of a possible terror plot by Imran Mandhai (and later Shueyb Jokhan) after they are notified by an American Muslim named “Saif Allah” who attended Mandhai and Jokhan’s same mosque provides a tip.
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Good–an actual case of a tip about Jihad from an actual Muslim. If only this happened more often.
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June 2003: FBI receive two tips from community members notifying them “military-style training” was being conducted suspect by Ali Al-Tamimi. The tip set in motion an
investigation later leading to the arrest of the so-called “Paintball 11” in Northern Virginia.
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“Community members” is pretty vague. We are just to assume that this means the Muslim community. I have read a fair amount about this case, but have never seen a specific reference to who tipped off authorities about Al-Tamimi. If it was someone in the Muslim community, kudoes to them.
And yes–it was a Muslim street vendor who spotted Faisal Shahzad’s smoking vehicle in Times Square. Of course, he may have been more concerned about not being blown up himself than in turning in a Jihadist–but still, this counts.
In all, Lebel has come up with a handful of cases over the past twenty years where Muslims have alerted authorities about Jihad activity.
Unfortunately, this is still vanishingly rare–hence Robert Spencer’s characterizing this as a “man bites dog” story. It is not that these stories do not happen; but it certainly the case that they are not the norm.
And this should not surprise–the Qur’an itself tells Muslims that they should never ally with Infidels.
And groups like CAIR tell Muslims not to talk to Western law enforcement, with posters like “Build a Wall of Resistance — Don’t Talk to the F.B.I.”:
“CAIR Flyer Spread: Does CAIR Oppose Law Enforcement Efforts to Counter Jihad Terrorism?”
Is it any wonder that there are so few cases of Muslims actually reporting Jihad?
Infidelsays
AWESOME Vid as usual.. Robert…. OF COURSE, THEY WILL NOT ANYTHING HERE OTHER THAN A SLAP ON THE WRIST… and of course, they will arrest some harmless teachers or old men who speak the truth about Islam and Jehaad… VOW!!! And yes, they will vilify U too for speaking about it.. I’m telling U folks, if not for the likes of Spencer, so many Islamic crimes would be swept under the carpet by our own powers that be….. Make no bones about it..
Jedotheksays
Robert’s remarks are an ungracious and Churlish response to an action we should be praising: a good Muslim reporting a homicidal Muslim to the authorities.
gravenimagesays
So, Jedothek–daring to notice how rare this is is churlish?
PATRICIA FRANCES KOENIGsays
This is a refreshing change. That Muslim who reported the jihadi Muslim better watch his back…as he is now in danger of being killed as an apostate. RE: accusations that we hate Muslims are false. We are just practicing self-defense – and defense of our families which is required.
WPMsays
They turn him in because of his big mouth attract attention to Islamic activity in the town of Lackawanna .It would be like in a organized crime family one member was drawing attention to his illegal racketeering{shooting off his mouth to non-members} the people on top would take him out or let him take the fall and go to jail. Hand over the small fish to keep the long term bigger Jihad safe. After this idiot goes to jail he will not spill the beans on the members above him his family safety would be endangered here and overseas.
Maran Athasays
The Bible tells us that in the last days lies will become truth, and ‘truth’ will become ‘lies.
Is this not happening before our very eyes?
If we really want to look at the example set by Jesus, note that he called the Pharisees, ‘whitewashed gravestones.’ In other words they liked to be seen as ‘pure as snow’, but inwardly they stank of death.
Jesus had no problem calling out the wrongdoers.
Truth must be upheld irrespective of who it offends. Yes, we know it will cost us in the end, but woe betide the perpetrators. They will suffer the wrath of a righteous God, and the Bible tells us that;
all of Adam’s race – that’s every man, woman and child, will stand before the Great White Throne of Judgement and declare that Jesus Christ is Lord. He is also referred to in the Bible as ‘The Lord of Lord and King of Kings’.
King of Kings – whilst the term never appears in the Koran itself, it does appear in the Hadith, the tradition of Mohammed. In Sahih Bukhari, the most trusted and reliable Hadith collection within Islam, we learn something about Allah.
Here is what Mohammed says about Allah and the name ‘King of Kings’.
“Allah’s apostle said, “The most awful name in Allah’s sight on the day of resurrection will be (that of) a man calling himself Malik AL-Amlak = King of Kings=Jesus Christ.
Interesting, don’t you think.
Politicianophobiasays
When Khomeini said “I spit on the soul of any man who says Islam is the Religion of Peace”, was he not speaking the truth Lebel?
Lebelsays
There are plenty of Muslims who say that. I also don’t think Islam is a religion of peace.
gravenimagesays
Notice that Lebel never says that the considers that a bad thing…
Lebelsays
Why? why should it be a religion a peace (or war for that matter)?
Politicianophobiasays
When Imam Sayed al- Ghitani of the Al-Andalous Centre in Montreal said “Destroy the accursed Jews and kill them one by one and give victory to our brothers who engage in jihad for your sake everywhere.”, was he just kidding around Lebel?
Lebelsays
No, that is an extremist.
So that means that not every single Muslim agrees with him.
gravenimagesays
Lebel knows full well that Islam teaches endless hatred of the Jews, as well as genocide of the Jews in the Hadith.
There is nothing “extremist” about this–this is mainstream Islam.
Lebelsays
So everyone misunderstood Islam when the jews were living among the Muslims?
Politicianophobiasays
When Imam Mazim Abdul-Adhim, the leader of Hibz ut-Tharir in Canada, living in London, Ontario, said he agreed with an Imam in Western Canada who said “Kill the Jews” was he just kidding Lebel?
Lebelsays
No he was not, Sir.
Politicianophobiasays
When Imam Abdu Albasset Egwilla of Ottawa, Ontario said “Martyrdom in the name of Allah” was he just kidding Lebel?
Politicianophobiasays
When Imam Wael-al-Ghitawi, of Montreal said “Jersusalem is Arab and Islamic and Jews are descendants of Mongols.”, was he just kidding around Lebel?
Lebelsays
In this particular case I think he was being a bit of a dumbass, good Sir.
gravenimagesays
Polireallyticianophobia, this is the claim that Jews are not really Jewish, but are all the descedants of the central Asian Khazar tribe.
This bizarre assertion is usually intended to discredit Jews having any historical connection to Israel and the Levant.
Politicianophobiasays
What about the sweet muslim who said “The vengeance for the blood and dignity is a debt and a pledge that we will not abandon, the time for punishment is coming, and your fortresses and castles will not stop us, you will see what you were warned against from us, we will come out for you from every lane, every street and every square, we will destroy your fortresses from above and below you will find the revolutionaries where you never expected. Allah is Greatest.”, was he just kidding Lebel?
Politicianophobiasays
One of my Favourite Imams is Imam Sayyed Adly, of South Carolina who said “A man OWNS the woman and that women should be as prisoners in your house.” Note he said womem–like 4 wives, to say nothing of the sex slaves. How charming, caring and sweet. HA HA HA he was just kidding, right Lebel?
Politicianophobiasays
When Imam, Louis Farrakhan said ” Adolf Hitler was a great man and white people are subhuman created by an Ancient African scientist”., he was just kidding, right Lebel?
5:51 “Oh you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are allies of one another. And whoever is an ally of them among you–then indeed, he is one of them.”, Allah was just kidding, right Lebel?
Lebelsays
I hope you are aware that Farrakhan is not exactly representative of orthodox Islam?
gravenimagesays
This is true–Farrakhan is not an orthodox Muslim. But Black Muslims share genocidal hatred of Jews with orthodox Islam, and the quote is from the Qur’an, which is entirely orthodox. Is Lebel pretending it is not?
Moreover, many mainstream Muslims also admire Hitler and the Holocaust. In fact, Mein Kampf is a bestseller in the Muslim world to this day.
gravenimagesays
Robert Spencer video: Man bites dog – Muslims alert police to jihad terrorist
In this new video, I discuss the case of Arafat Nagi, a jihad terror plotter in Lackawanna, New York who was turned in to law enforcement by his fellow Muslims.
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This *is* a man bites dog story. Kudos to the Muslim community in Lackawanna for turning in Arafat Nagi. I just wish there were more stories like this.
Politicianophobiasays
Lebel, surely you jest, when you speak of Ibrahim, the thighing master as a person who debates. The same Ibrahim who refers to the President as “Mad devil Trump”, the Ibrahim who says women who are not muslim smell down below, the same Ibrahim who raves on about filthy Jesus lovers , do you mean that Ibrahim?
Lebelsays
Do you see any other dissenting viewpoints on jwatch?
Everyone here more or less agrees that Islam is pure evil and must be eradicated. The main disagreement is whether we should kill all Muslims or just forcibly deport them and fence ourselves from them until they leave Islam.
CogitoErgoSumsays
Is there any dispute among Muslims that Jews, Christians and other “infidels” follow a belief system that is pure evil? Does the Quran not tell Muslims to fight until every human being either submits to the rule of Islam or is dead? Do you not recognize that your words can be turned against you? Just what do you see when you look into the mirror?
Lebelsays
Muslims would never say that Jews and Christians follow a system that is pure evil since they believe that their books are revelation as well.
`says
I see the loathsome Lebel is still claiming that our concern over Jihadists murdering us is–somehow–actually genocide against Muslims. Talk about projection!
gravenimagesays
The above post is mine.
Marcsays
The Muslim-reports-Muslim incidents are insignificant compared with the 30 thousand or so Islamic terrorist incidents since 9/11.
What is your argument? That because there is a handful of Muslim reports, then that cancels out the tens of thousands of Islamic terrorist attacks? You cannot be serious.
The superficial Muslim reported incident figures, by themselves, prove nothing. How many were motivated by sect-vs-sect, Sunni vs Shia, disgruntled neighbor vs neighbor? A deeper analysis is required. The raw numbers by themselves mean little.
You say that Robert Spencer’s site is an echo chamber.
Yes, it is.
An echo chamber of the truth…
Politicianophobiasays
The Islamic homeland is a refuge for any who accepts the Islamic Shari’ah to be the law of the state, as is the case with the Dhimmies. But any place where the Islamic Shari’ah not enforced and where Islam is not dominate becomes the home of Hostility (Dar-ul-Harb) for both the Muslims and the Dhimmi. A Muslim will remain prepared to fight against, whether it be his birthplace or a place where his relatives reside and where his property or any other material interests are located.
And thus Muhammad–peace be upon him–fought against the city of Mecca, although it was his birthplace, and his relatives lived there, and he and his Companions had houses and property there which they had left when they migrated; yet the soul of Mecca did not become Dar-ul-Islam for him and his followers until it surrendered to Islam and the Shari’ah became operative in it. Sounds really, really friendly to me Lebel.
ounds really friendly to me Lebel.
Terra Novasays
It “is” a fact, that people who have been oppressed for a long time and have not lived in some kind of freedom will become the way muslims are, for them it was already so long.
And then, when you place them into a modern society where people “live in the assumption of freedom” but at least “had much more “freedom” they are getting angry and upset and want to have all what they always missed and never were able to accomplish it in their countries.
You had the same with the people in concentration camps when they were liberated, they could not believe it that they were free, and first they did not want to leave the camps. But it was different, because they came from the civilised countries, so after some time, they could pick up their own lives again( most of them with a terrible PTSS.
But Muslims always kept living in the Middle Ages with conquering, wars, beheadings, flogging, stoning raping, etc., because they keep on believing in their Islam and their Prophet, which are so barbaric, but that is the only way for them to live.
That is why you can not put so many millions of those people in civilised countries and into Western Governments. You have signed your own black destiny, leftists.
The same would happen if the North Koreans would be free all of a sudden. They would not know what to do with their freedom, now, they think they would, but when it happens, it is a different story and they would probably behave very irrational too. That is why in my opinion they can not live with western countries together or in them. They first need long periods of time to learn what it is to live by dictators, kings Priests, imams, pandits, rabbis, etc. They have to learn to think for themselves and not being forced in one or another religion. We had our times in the Western worlds and here and there there are still places. And whatever you want to do or believe is your business, but don’t force the citizens to live by Sharia. If you want to live by Sharia, pls go back where you came from. You have to live by the laws of the country you came to live in, who feeds you etc. And get out of this ridiculous victim role.
You will not conquer the world, you can not conquer the world and you are walking a very thin line.
How come that all those young men came, without their wives, some have been here without their wives already for 6, 8 years and their wives are living with their children in a war zone? And you think we believe it all? Go back to your own country and try to put everything straight there and get rid of your corruptions there, we in the west are still trying to do that, but a different time is busy already to come,
Every company who does not have integrity will FALL, NOT TOMORROW, BUT YOU WILL SEE, BIT BY BIT AND SO WILL PEOPLE. Because time has come that you will have to listen to the Universal Laws, and that does not say, dictatorship, but there are Universal laws, that absolutely have to be obeyed,
and that time has started already in 2012. If these few laws are not obeyed, we will destroy this planet
we will perish. You will have to stop killing and make wars, you will have to stop to be cruel to animals and to nature and to hunt for fun, when you don’t need to kill animals for your surviving, you need to stope being cruel to your fellow men, only for a quick profit, etc. then there is a chance for all of us.
If you don’t nature will do it for you as she goes along with the collective human consciousness.
libertyORdeathsays
Great post.
Cultural progression is a long and difficult path that takes generations if not centuries to complete.
Just look at the arc of progression in Christianity…it took 1600 plus years and many challenges to church domination to reach the age of enlightenment. Islam is at least 600 years behind Christianity and actually further due to a host of factors that I’m not willing to go into.
The main barrier to Islamic enlightenment is the backwards looking nature of the religion itself.
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Lebel says
It is because you are selective in your reporting in order to encourage hatred against Muslim and collective responsibility. You are supposed to emulate Christ but you are doing the opposite because it is impossible that you are unaware of the below events.
Here is a non-exhaustive list from 2002-2010:
October 2001: The conviction of “Portland 7” case was substantially helped after a local police officer encountered the suspects engaged in target practice. The police officer had been sent to the area after a local citizen notified police that he heard gunfire.
September 2002: Members of the “Lackawanna 6” are arrested. FBI first becomes aware of their activities in June 2001 when a local Muslim community member tips off the FBI.
March 2002: FBI become aware of a possible terror plot by Imran Mandhai (and later Shueyb Jokhan) after they are notified by an American Muslim named “Saif Allah” who attended Mandhai and Jokhan’s same mosque provides a tip.
June 2003: FBI receive two tips from community members notifying them “military-style training” was being conducted suspect by Ali Al-Tamimi. The tip set in motion an
investigation later leading to the arrest of the so-called “Paintball 11” in Northern Virginia.
August 2004: James Elshafay and Shahwar Matin Siraj are arrested largely based on the controversial use of an informant in the investigation. However, NYPD were first notified of Siraj after a Muslim community member anonymously notifies New York police about consistently troubling rhetoric coming from the suspect.
February 2006: Muslim community members in Ohio provide information helping to arrest and eventually convict 3 suspects planning attacks in Iraq.
July 2009: Mosque leaders in Raleigh, North Carolina, contact law enforcement to notify them of “violent, threatening action … considered to be dangerous” leading to the arrest of Daniel Boyd and 6 other individuals.
November 2009: Five Virginia Muslim youth are arrested in Pakistan, allegedly seeking to join a terror group, after family members told American federal authorities they went
missing.
April 2010: Senegalese Muslim Alioune Niass first spots the suspicious vehicle used as a bomb to attack Times Square in New York City. Clues from the vehicle and defused
explosive immediately led to the suspect, Faisal Shahzad’s, arrest.
June 2010: Suspects Mohammed Mahmoud Alessa and Carlos Eduardo Almonte are arrested, after the FBI first receives an anonymous report in 2006 from one of the suspects’ family members. News reports indicate one of Alessa’s family members provided the tip.
http://prospect.org/article/terror-plots-foiled-assistance-american-muslim-community
Lebel says
Here’s more:
• October 2010: Former Hawaii resident Abdel Hamid Shehadeh is arrested for attempting to join the Taliban. Local media noted that the Muslim Association of Hawaii “assisted law enforcement agencies in the case” and that it has “in the past reported suspicious activities.”
• October 2010: Farooque Ahmed is arrested on charges of allegedly attempting to bomb the Washington, DC metro railway system. The FBI first learns of Ahmed’s intentions from a community tip-off.
• October 2010: An attempt by Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula to bomb Western targets using air cargo transportation is prevented by US and European authorities. Intelligence that prevented the plot came from ex-militant Jabr al-Faifi, who voluntarily handed himself into Saudi authorities.
• November 2010: Mohamed Osman Mohamud is arrested for attempting to bomb a Christmas tree-lighting ceremony in Portland, Oregon. The New York Times notes, “In the Oregon [Mohamud] case, the FBI received a tip from a Portland Muslim.”
• December 2010: Antonio Martinez is arrested for attempting to bomb a military recruiting center in Maryland. Statements from Justice Department officials indicate a Muslim community member reported Martinez to the FBI during its ongoing investigation.
• June 2011: Two Al-Qaeda inspired violent criminals planning to attack a military installation in Seattle are arrested by law enforcement. FBI officials first become aware of the planned attack after a fellow Muslim who was trying to be recruited into the conspiracy went to Seattle Police and informed them of the plot.
• January 2012: Violent Al-Qaeda sympathizer Sami Osmakac is arrested for planning to attack several sites in Tampa, Florida using guns and explosives. The U.S. Attorney for Central Florida noted, “This investigation was also predicated, in part, by assistance from the Muslim community.”
In support of Honest Ali’s deep and fact-rooted analysis. I can now confirm that this is Taqqiya level: Grandmaster. It’s to give the naive infidel the impression that not all Muslims are evil and should not be eradicated to the last one. Well done, honest Ali.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Wonderful, some muslims ignore the dictates of mohammad and inform on their brothers to the infidel police.
Great!
It’s truly a good thing when people ignore mohammad.
Ray Sears says
YES, ” IT’S TRULY A GOOD THING WHEN PEOPLE IGNORE MOHAMMAD “. and are truthful about the child molesting pervert and all around scumbag named Mohammad.
Ashley says
I think it is refreshing to see Muslims report nefarious activity among their own, Lebel. I mean that sincerely.
I propose you post such findings here for the sake of balance. Please include citations when available.
I don’t see the names of these Muslim heroes that ratted out their brethren. Why did they not want to be identified? Did they fear reprisal? Are they not deserving of recognition for their courage?
The brief snips you posted are a tad dated. Got anything hot and recent, say, from the last six years?
Always like to hear about a Muslim ratting out a potential Islamic terrorist. Hey…it isn’t too often that you can buy a unicorn ranch!
Lebel says
Ashley, more recent examples:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/27/man-arrested-over-incident-in-whitehall-near-parliament
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/11/terror.plot1010/index.html
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-arrests-muslims/canadas-muslims-highlight-role-as-tipsters-in-train-plot-idUSBRE93M1CO20130423
Ashley says
Thanks, Lebel. This is indeed refreshing and welcome news.
My concern is that you might be framing these incidents of Muslims alerting authorities to potential Islamic extremists as the rule and not the exception. I don’t see it that way.
We know radicalization is being promoted in prisons, mosques, social media, the dark web, propaganda, Islamic periodicals, etc. We know that the Quran is a pretty grim read. We know infidels are fair game for annihilation.
Do mosques boast a “SEE SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING!” poster on their bulletin boards?
Again, I think it is terrific that some Muslims see fit to report suspicious behavior. You cited some 30 examples.
That is about how many posts Robert pens in two days warning about the Islamic threat…
gravenimage says
Exactly, Ashley.
gravenimage says
The appalling Lebel wrote:
In support of Honest Ali’s deep and fact-rooted analysis. I can now confirm that this is Taqqiya level: Grandmaster. It’s to give the naive infidel the impression that not all Muslims are evil and should not be eradicated to the last one…
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The repulsive Lebel had pretended before that if any Infidels are concerned about pious Muslims waging violent Jihad against us then it is they are genocidal.
Talk about projection. *Ugh*.
Bindon Blood says
If you read your own scriptures and sunnah you will see that Believers must not support or offer friendship or trust to non believers; if they do they will be considered to be as one of the non believers. On the other handbelievers are allowed ,indeed encouraged to do whatever is necessary ,lie etc. even pretend to be Christians if it serves the purpose of Islam.
So these Muslims who report the terrorists to police are either not practicing Islam , doing what they consider best for Islam in the long run or apostates too frightened of their own people to come out but wanting to do the right thing.
libertyORdeath says
Lebel, you act as though all Islamic supremacists are on the same team with the same ideals and tactics while that couldn’t be further from the truth.
The amount of violent and non-violent infighting between Sunnis, Shias, Sufis, Ahmadis, Kurds, Persians and Alawaites (amongst others) would be enough to motivate a “fellow muslim” to be opposed to one or more types of jihad but support others. This alone could explain the paltry number of cases that you cited. (BTW, all of the cases you mention have also been covered here or on other anti-jihad sites)
The issue being discussed by Robert is of the shroud of secrecy and the passive involvement of a huge number of Muslims in jihad terror by allowing it to go on unchecked. This is why we must totally change our immigration policy and our handling of the war on terror.
Do u not think that we are fully aware of the one way flow of immigration when it comes to Muslims? Do u think we don’t notice that the Islamic republics refuse any non-muslims to emigrate to their countries, ensuring the homogenous culture of ignorance that islam requires to survive? Do u think we are unaware of the stealth jihad and demographic warfare being waged on our modern civilization?
The fact that you would go to the trouble to “monitor” a counter-jihad site and then try to scold the writers and readers is enough for me to see your intentions. I also know that we strike fear into the hearts of every Islamist who is aware of the counter-jihad.
LeftisruiningCanada says
+1
Lebel says
“The fact that you would go to the trouble to “monitor” a counter-jihad site and then try to scold the writers and readers is enough for me to see your intentions. I also know that we strike fear into the hearts of every Islamist who is aware of the counter-jihad.”
Nonsense, there are literally no opposing viewpoints on this forum. Where are all the Muslims trying to debate with you? there are none.There is one guy named Ibrahim who comes in sometimes and there’s me. The rest of the time it’s an echo chamber, The main point of debate is whether all Muslims are really evil or just evil.
Tilly says
Dear lebel says
The reason for few muslims engaging with others on this site is the fact. When comments are made concerning islam and its koran. it is a bit difficult to refute the evidence of how mad it is.
Sorry for the lowercase as it is the only form of dissension I can use without being arrested.
Kind Regards
Some one who has had to see family members suffer because they are classed as non-human.
Vann Boseman says
Go ahead. Debate. So far you have only posted incidental findings of Muslims who have ratted out other Muslims. @libertyORdeath raised numerous points that you ignored and merely responded by invoking your perceived status of being a victim. Your silence on this speaks to the truth that you or other Muslims have no points to make to counter with.
More non-Christians make comments here than professed Muslims. So when you say, “You are supposed to emulate Christ but you are doing the opposite because it is impossible that you are unaware of the below events,” one must recognize that you are so paralyzed with bigotry that you are incompetent to admit that Islam is unique in consideration of it as a religion in that it is first and foremost a blight upon the entire world.
It is mostly for Christians to speak to what I see as an overly broad interpretation of Christians obligation to emulate Christ. But you are vague in stating this. Christianity is strong enough to allow discussion and debate among denominations and within denominations. For example, I am aware that many devout Christians take strong exception to the question, “What would Jesus do?” I think you are just picking up the talking points of people in your circle without knowing what you are talking about.
libertyORdeath says
This forum is simply one side of the story, but it’s a story that is often corrupted or completely covered up by most liberal media outlets.
BTW, there is VASTLY more television, newspaper and online coverage of the “opposing viewpoints” that you speak of and even quite a few Muslims who freely contribute to even this site that you label an “echo chamber”.
So what about the liberal echo chambers like the hundreds of television, online and newspapers that regurgitate the same stories and viewpoints that I’m sure you love.
What about the monolithic reporting of Muslim produced news outlets who spread false stories about fraudulent “islamophobia”? How about the Muslim and liberal outlets that completely ignore the non-muslim side of the story? Some recent examples are the coverage of the violence in Myanmar and now Sri Lanka.
How about the lack of reporting on the Muslim grooming gangs in the U.K. in the MSM? How about the long term denial regarding the spread and even the mere existence of no-go zones run by (illegal) immigrant muslims?
I’m sure you and the ummah would be thrilled if these stories were ONLY covered by fellow Muslims and dhimmis, but thankfully people have the ability to get different and often more accurate coverage of news regarding muslims from sites like this.
I can feel the fear in your response, and you should be afraid. People who have experienced true freedom will never submit to tyranny, whether thru despotic beaurocracy or autocratic religious regimes.
I also know that your real fear is that most of the world has moved beyond the idea that our lives should be completely ruled by religion and superstition. They are no longer willing to hate, kill, and destroy based on schizophrenic rants from 1400 years ago.
And just to be clear, I am NOT a Christian or the member of any other religion. I’m just a thinking human being who is always willing to see the other side of the story. I abhor ALL religious violence and believe that freedom loving people of any faith are good people including muslims.
Always remember that there is only one major religion with the stated goal of world domination and the slaughter of non-believers. Please don’t act so surprised when the modern world and a website stands up to Muslim aggression.
gravenimage says
Lebel wrote:
“The fact that you would go to the trouble to “monitor” a counter-jihad site and then try to scold the writers and readers is enough for me to see your intentions. I also know that we strike fear into the hearts of every Islamist who is aware of the counter-jihad.”
Nonsense, there are literally no opposing viewpoints on this forum.
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This is an Anti-Jihad site. Is Lebel claiming that what we *really* need here is the pro-Jihad point of view?
God knows, we see enough of this in every bloody story of violent Jihad here.
More:
Where are all the Muslims trying to debate with you? there are none.There is one guy named Ibrahim who comes in sometimes and there’s me.
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Well, this is just bizarre. Firstly, there have been quite a few Muslims weighing in here over the years, including “Muslim2018” (“Muslim2017” of last year), Rezali Mehil, Sham, and many others.
They tend to be either dishonest Taqiyya artists or else Muslim supremacists, gloating over our supposed immanent conquest by Islam.
And there is nothing preventing Muslims from posting here. Unless they directly threaten people individually, they are free to comment. It is just that few of them actually have any interest in debating well-informed Infidels.
One of the strangest things is that Lebel now appears to be specifically allying himself with Ibrahim itace muhammed–a vicious Muslim surpremacist who confirms that Muslims can rape Infidel women and use them as sex slaves, that they can “marry” little children, that they can beat their wives, and that they have the right to slaughter any Infidels who do not submit to Islam.
Is this something that Lebel–who tries to pose as someone who is civilized–*really* wants to do?
Originally, Lebel presented himself as an ordinary Anti-Jihadist who just took issue with this or that discrete issue here. Of course, that was never very plausible, considering that he never had anything to say against Jihad itself (in all the years he has been posting here, I have only seen one post I might reasonable consider Anti-Jihad, where he acknowledges that one attack is probably Jihad). But now he seems to have dropped the mask completely. Just recently, he admitted that he hates Jihad Watch.
More:
The rest of the time it’s an echo chamber, The main point of debate is whether all Muslims are really evil or just evil.
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What a lot of claptrap. Jihad Watch exposes Jihad. Lebel may pretend this is not an issue, but there have been over 32,000 Jihad terror attacks just since 9/11–and things are getting worse.
No one–certainly not Robert Spencer–has ever said that all Muslms are evil. But Jihad *is* a serious threat, and–despite Lebel’s lame attempts to convince us otherwise–all too few Muslims stand with us in opposing it.
gravenimage says
Fine post, libertyORdeath.
LeftisruiningCanada says
+1
Yours too
Dwight Hogg says
it is totally irrelevant that there are good Muslims who are reporting on the extremists…Ayan Hirsi Ali, Raheel Raza, Tarek Fatah, Salim Mansour, Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, and several others have been warning us for years of the dangers of CAIR, IRFAN, ISCC and other numerous Islamic organizations promoting the supremacist Wahabbi form of Islam which promotes violence and hatred. In Canada we can see the violence and hatred when Muslims are marching in the streets in the thousands celebrating al Quds day – their faces contorted in hatred promoting the death of Jews. The same goes for Palestine House in Toronto where the hatred of Jews is open and sickening….and Imams in the mosques can openly call for killing Jews and proclaim it is just peachy for an old man of 50 or 60 to marry a 10 year old. All this hatred and violence and nothing results from it but a deafening silence except to condemn anyone who actually exposes this hatred and violence emanating from Muslims. The Muslim rape gang epidemic in England in which thousands of girls some as young as 10 were raped, terrorized and prostituted was allowed to continue, and apparently is still a problem, out of fear of offending Muslim community sensibilities. This should have been front page news around the world but was so muted as to be non-existent news. The few good Muslims who are actually fighting against the jihadi fanatics are ignored and are irrelevant because the fanatics always win especially if society refuses to expose the violence and hatred emanating out of the Religion of Peace. Our politicians are too eager to charge anyone who criticizes Muslims as hate mongers and Islamophobes and allow the festering hatred to grow in our communities. The Trudeau govt is actually bringing back ISIS fighters and attempting to re-integrate them – this is what terrorist traitors are treated like in Canada now while anyone criticizing this atrocious travesty is treated with contempt and labelled a racist. The same type of people condoned the Nazi and Stalinist atrocities as being morally equivalent to the Western democracies.
Prophecy says
Well stated, Dwight Hogg.
gravenimage says
The appalling Muslim apologist Lebel wrote:
It is because you are selective in your reporting in order to encourage hatred against Muslim and collective responsibility. You are supposed to emulate Christ but you are doing the opposite because it is impossible that you are unaware of the below events.
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How often do we hear *this* from Muslim apologists–that Christians are not being Christian enough if they dare notice the savagery of Islam–including, of course, Muslims being told never to cooperate with Infidels against other Muslims–including Jihadists?
More:
Here is a non-exhaustive list from 2002-2010:
October 2001: The conviction of “Portland 7” case was substantially helped after a local police officer encountered the suspects engaged in target practice. The police officer had been sent to the area after a local citizen notified police that he heard gunfire.
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Is there any reason to suppose that this “local citizen” was Muslim?
Muslims make up less than .1% of the population in the Portland, Oregon area, so this is damned unlikely.
https://www.bestplaces.net/religion/city/oregon/portland
Moreover, there is little reason to think that whoever called this in had any reason to suppose that the shooter was Muslim.
Pretending this is a case of a Muslim turning in a fellow Muslim to law enforcement is just ridiculous. That this is what Lebel leads with does not bode well for the rest of his post.
More:
September 2002: Members of the “Lackawanna 6” are arrested. FBI first becomes aware of their activities in June 2001 when a local Muslim community member tips off the FBI.
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This is the same community Robert Spencer cites in the story above.
More:
March 2002: FBI become aware of a possible terror plot by Imran Mandhai (and later Shueyb Jokhan) after they are notified by an American Muslim named “Saif Allah” who attended Mandhai and Jokhan’s same mosque provides a tip.
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Good–an actual case of a tip about Jihad from an actual Muslim. If only this happened more often.
More:
June 2003: FBI receive two tips from community members notifying them “military-style training” was being conducted suspect by Ali Al-Tamimi. The tip set in motion an
investigation later leading to the arrest of the so-called “Paintball 11” in Northern Virginia.
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“Community members” is pretty vague. We are just to assume that this means the Muslim community. I have read a fair amount about this case, but have never seen a specific reference to who tipped off authorities about Al-Tamimi. If it was someone in the Muslim community, kudoes to them.
And yes–it was a Muslim street vendor who spotted Faisal Shahzad’s smoking vehicle in Times Square. Of course, he may have been more concerned about not being blown up himself than in turning in a Jihadist–but still, this counts.
In all, Lebel has come up with a handful of cases over the past twenty years where Muslims have alerted authorities about Jihad activity.
Unfortunately, this is still vanishingly rare–hence Robert Spencer’s characterizing this as a “man bites dog” story. It is not that these stories do not happen; but it certainly the case that they are not the norm.
And this should not surprise–the Qur’an itself tells Muslims that they should never ally with Infidels.
And groups like CAIR tell Muslims not to talk to Western law enforcement, with posters like “Build a Wall of Resistance — Don’t Talk to the F.B.I.”:
“CAIR Flyer Spread: Does CAIR Oppose Law Enforcement Efforts to Counter Jihad Terrorism?”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/05/cair-flyer-spread-does-cair-oppose-law-enforcement-efforts-to-counter-jihad-terrorism
Is it any wonder that there are so few cases of Muslims actually reporting Jihad?
Infidel says
AWESOME Vid as usual.. Robert…. OF COURSE, THEY WILL NOT ANYTHING HERE OTHER THAN A SLAP ON THE WRIST… and of course, they will arrest some harmless teachers or old men who speak the truth about Islam and Jehaad… VOW!!! And yes, they will vilify U too for speaking about it.. I’m telling U folks, if not for the likes of Spencer, so many Islamic crimes would be swept under the carpet by our own powers that be….. Make no bones about it..
Jedothek says
Robert’s remarks are an ungracious and Churlish response to an action we should be praising: a good Muslim reporting a homicidal Muslim to the authorities.
gravenimage says
So, Jedothek–daring to notice how rare this is is churlish?
PATRICIA FRANCES KOENIG says
This is a refreshing change. That Muslim who reported the jihadi Muslim better watch his back…as he is now in danger of being killed as an apostate. RE: accusations that we hate Muslims are false. We are just practicing self-defense – and defense of our families which is required.
WPM says
They turn him in because of his big mouth attract attention to Islamic activity in the town of Lackawanna .It would be like in a organized crime family one member was drawing attention to his illegal racketeering{shooting off his mouth to non-members} the people on top would take him out or let him take the fall and go to jail. Hand over the small fish to keep the long term bigger Jihad safe. After this idiot goes to jail he will not spill the beans on the members above him his family safety would be endangered here and overseas.
Maran Atha says
The Bible tells us that in the last days lies will become truth, and ‘truth’ will become ‘lies.
Is this not happening before our very eyes?
If we really want to look at the example set by Jesus, note that he called the Pharisees, ‘whitewashed gravestones.’ In other words they liked to be seen as ‘pure as snow’, but inwardly they stank of death.
Jesus had no problem calling out the wrongdoers.
Truth must be upheld irrespective of who it offends. Yes, we know it will cost us in the end, but woe betide the perpetrators. They will suffer the wrath of a righteous God, and the Bible tells us that;
all of Adam’s race – that’s every man, woman and child, will stand before the Great White Throne of Judgement and declare that Jesus Christ is Lord. He is also referred to in the Bible as ‘The Lord of Lord and King of Kings’.
King of Kings – whilst the term never appears in the Koran itself, it does appear in the Hadith, the tradition of Mohammed. In Sahih Bukhari, the most trusted and reliable Hadith collection within Islam, we learn something about Allah.
Here is what Mohammed says about Allah and the name ‘King of Kings’.
“Allah’s apostle said, “The most awful name in Allah’s sight on the day of resurrection will be (that of) a man calling himself Malik AL-Amlak = King of Kings=Jesus Christ.
Interesting, don’t you think.
Politicianophobia says
When Khomeini said “I spit on the soul of any man who says Islam is the Religion of Peace”, was he not speaking the truth Lebel?
Lebel says
There are plenty of Muslims who say that. I also don’t think Islam is a religion of peace.
gravenimage says
Notice that Lebel never says that the considers that a bad thing…
Lebel says
Why? why should it be a religion a peace (or war for that matter)?
Politicianophobia says
When Imam Sayed al- Ghitani of the Al-Andalous Centre in Montreal said “Destroy the accursed Jews and kill them one by one and give victory to our brothers who engage in jihad for your sake everywhere.”, was he just kidding around Lebel?
Lebel says
No, that is an extremist.
So that means that not every single Muslim agrees with him.
gravenimage says
Lebel knows full well that Islam teaches endless hatred of the Jews, as well as genocide of the Jews in the Hadith.
There is nothing “extremist” about this–this is mainstream Islam.
Lebel says
So everyone misunderstood Islam when the jews were living among the Muslims?
Politicianophobia says
When Imam Mazim Abdul-Adhim, the leader of Hibz ut-Tharir in Canada, living in London, Ontario, said he agreed with an Imam in Western Canada who said “Kill the Jews” was he just kidding Lebel?
Lebel says
No he was not, Sir.
Politicianophobia says
When Imam Abdu Albasset Egwilla of Ottawa, Ontario said “Martyrdom in the name of Allah” was he just kidding Lebel?
Politicianophobia says
When Imam Wael-al-Ghitawi, of Montreal said “Jersusalem is Arab and Islamic and Jews are descendants of Mongols.”, was he just kidding around Lebel?
Lebel says
In this particular case I think he was being a bit of a dumbass, good Sir.
gravenimage says
Polireallyticianophobia, this is the claim that Jews are not really Jewish, but are all the descedants of the central Asian Khazar tribe.
This bizarre assertion is usually intended to discredit Jews having any historical connection to Israel and the Levant.
Politicianophobia says
What about the sweet muslim who said “The vengeance for the blood and dignity is a debt and a pledge that we will not abandon, the time for punishment is coming, and your fortresses and castles will not stop us, you will see what you were warned against from us, we will come out for you from every lane, every street and every square, we will destroy your fortresses from above and below you will find the revolutionaries where you never expected. Allah is Greatest.”, was he just kidding Lebel?
Politicianophobia says
One of my Favourite Imams is Imam Sayyed Adly, of South Carolina who said “A man OWNS the woman and that women should be as prisoners in your house.” Note he said womem–like 4 wives, to say nothing of the sex slaves. How charming, caring and sweet. HA HA HA he was just kidding, right Lebel?
Politicianophobia says
When Imam, Louis Farrakhan said ” Adolf Hitler was a great man and white people are subhuman created by an Ancient African scientist”., he was just kidding, right Lebel?
5:51 “Oh you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are allies of one another. And whoever is an ally of them among you–then indeed, he is one of them.”, Allah was just kidding, right Lebel?
Lebel says
I hope you are aware that Farrakhan is not exactly representative of orthodox Islam?
gravenimage says
This is true–Farrakhan is not an orthodox Muslim. But Black Muslims share genocidal hatred of Jews with orthodox Islam, and the quote is from the Qur’an, which is entirely orthodox. Is Lebel pretending it is not?
Moreover, many mainstream Muslims also admire Hitler and the Holocaust. In fact, Mein Kampf is a bestseller in the Muslim world to this day.
gravenimage says
Robert Spencer video: Man bites dog – Muslims alert police to jihad terrorist
In this new video, I discuss the case of Arafat Nagi, a jihad terror plotter in Lackawanna, New York who was turned in to law enforcement by his fellow Muslims.
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This *is* a man bites dog story. Kudos to the Muslim community in Lackawanna for turning in Arafat Nagi. I just wish there were more stories like this.
Politicianophobia says
Lebel, surely you jest, when you speak of Ibrahim, the thighing master as a person who debates. The same Ibrahim who refers to the President as “Mad devil Trump”, the Ibrahim who says women who are not muslim smell down below, the same Ibrahim who raves on about filthy Jesus lovers , do you mean that Ibrahim?
Lebel says
Do you see any other dissenting viewpoints on jwatch?
Everyone here more or less agrees that Islam is pure evil and must be eradicated. The main disagreement is whether we should kill all Muslims or just forcibly deport them and fence ourselves from them until they leave Islam.
CogitoErgoSum says
Is there any dispute among Muslims that Jews, Christians and other “infidels” follow a belief system that is pure evil? Does the Quran not tell Muslims to fight until every human being either submits to the rule of Islam or is dead? Do you not recognize that your words can be turned against you? Just what do you see when you look into the mirror?
Lebel says
Muslims would never say that Jews and Christians follow a system that is pure evil since they believe that their books are revelation as well.
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I see the loathsome Lebel is still claiming that our concern over Jihadists murdering us is–somehow–actually genocide against Muslims. Talk about projection!
gravenimage says
The above post is mine.
Marc says
The Muslim-reports-Muslim incidents are insignificant compared with the 30 thousand or so Islamic terrorist incidents since 9/11.
What is your argument? That because there is a handful of Muslim reports, then that cancels out the tens of thousands of Islamic terrorist attacks? You cannot be serious.
The superficial Muslim reported incident figures, by themselves, prove nothing. How many were motivated by sect-vs-sect, Sunni vs Shia, disgruntled neighbor vs neighbor? A deeper analysis is required. The raw numbers by themselves mean little.
You say that Robert Spencer’s site is an echo chamber.
Yes, it is.
An echo chamber of the truth…
Politicianophobia says
The Islamic homeland is a refuge for any who accepts the Islamic Shari’ah to be the law of the state, as is the case with the Dhimmies. But any place where the Islamic Shari’ah not enforced and where Islam is not dominate becomes the home of Hostility (Dar-ul-Harb) for both the Muslims and the Dhimmi. A Muslim will remain prepared to fight against, whether it be his birthplace or a place where his relatives reside and where his property or any other material interests are located.
And thus Muhammad–peace be upon him–fought against the city of Mecca, although it was his birthplace, and his relatives lived there, and he and his Companions had houses and property there which they had left when they migrated; yet the soul of Mecca did not become Dar-ul-Islam for him and his followers until it surrendered to Islam and the Shari’ah became operative in it. Sounds really, really friendly to me Lebel.
ounds really friendly to me Lebel.
Terra Nova says
It “is” a fact, that people who have been oppressed for a long time and have not lived in some kind of freedom will become the way muslims are, for them it was already so long.
And then, when you place them into a modern society where people “live in the assumption of freedom” but at least “had much more “freedom” they are getting angry and upset and want to have all what they always missed and never were able to accomplish it in their countries.
You had the same with the people in concentration camps when they were liberated, they could not believe it that they were free, and first they did not want to leave the camps. But it was different, because they came from the civilised countries, so after some time, they could pick up their own lives again( most of them with a terrible PTSS.
But Muslims always kept living in the Middle Ages with conquering, wars, beheadings, flogging, stoning raping, etc., because they keep on believing in their Islam and their Prophet, which are so barbaric, but that is the only way for them to live.
That is why you can not put so many millions of those people in civilised countries and into Western Governments. You have signed your own black destiny, leftists.
The same would happen if the North Koreans would be free all of a sudden. They would not know what to do with their freedom, now, they think they would, but when it happens, it is a different story and they would probably behave very irrational too. That is why in my opinion they can not live with western countries together or in them. They first need long periods of time to learn what it is to live by dictators, kings Priests, imams, pandits, rabbis, etc. They have to learn to think for themselves and not being forced in one or another religion. We had our times in the Western worlds and here and there there are still places. And whatever you want to do or believe is your business, but don’t force the citizens to live by Sharia. If you want to live by Sharia, pls go back where you came from. You have to live by the laws of the country you came to live in, who feeds you etc. And get out of this ridiculous victim role.
You will not conquer the world, you can not conquer the world and you are walking a very thin line.
How come that all those young men came, without their wives, some have been here without their wives already for 6, 8 years and their wives are living with their children in a war zone? And you think we believe it all? Go back to your own country and try to put everything straight there and get rid of your corruptions there, we in the west are still trying to do that, but a different time is busy already to come,
Every company who does not have integrity will FALL, NOT TOMORROW, BUT YOU WILL SEE, BIT BY BIT AND SO WILL PEOPLE. Because time has come that you will have to listen to the Universal Laws, and that does not say, dictatorship, but there are Universal laws, that absolutely have to be obeyed,
and that time has started already in 2012. If these few laws are not obeyed, we will destroy this planet
we will perish. You will have to stop killing and make wars, you will have to stop to be cruel to animals and to nature and to hunt for fun, when you don’t need to kill animals for your surviving, you need to stope being cruel to your fellow men, only for a quick profit, etc. then there is a chance for all of us.
If you don’t nature will do it for you as she goes along with the collective human consciousness.
libertyORdeath says
Great post.
Cultural progression is a long and difficult path that takes generations if not centuries to complete.
Just look at the arc of progression in Christianity…it took 1600 plus years and many challenges to church domination to reach the age of enlightenment. Islam is at least 600 years behind Christianity and actually further due to a host of factors that I’m not willing to go into.
The main barrier to Islamic enlightenment is the backwards looking nature of the religion itself.