As I show in my forthcoming book The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS, which you can preorder here now, the history of Islam is full of non-Muslims who thought that they could use the warriors of jihad for their own purposes. History is littered with the broken bodies of short-sighted people who thought they could ride this wave. But this never works well for the non-Muslims in the end.
“Saudi prince denies Kushner is ‘in his pocket,’” by Karen DeYoung, Washington Post, March 22, 2018:
…Discussing his reform efforts at home, including giving women the right to drive and have more rights outside the home, Mohammed said he has worked hard to convince conservative religious leaders such restrictions are not part of Islamic doctrine.
“I believe Islam is sensible, Islam is simple, and people are trying to hijack it,” he said. Lengthy discussions with clerics, he said, have been positive and are “why we have more allies in the religious establishment, day by day.”
Asked about the Saudi-funded spread of Wahhabism, the austere faith that is dominant in the kingdom and that some have accused of being a source of global terrorism, Mohammed said that investments in mosques and madrassas overseas were rooted in the Cold War, when allies asked Saudi Arabia to use its resources to prevent inroads in Muslim countries by the Soviet Union.
Successive Saudi governments lost track of the effort, he said, and now “we have to get it all back.” Funding now comes largely from Saudi-based “foundations,” he said, rather than from the government….
Mac-101 says
I can’t believe that I agree with the Crown Prince. Just how are the Globalist goin to control a Europe controlled by fundamentalist? If Islam is goin to be their enforcers, how are they going to keep them as puppets?
John Lloyd Scharf says
The claim the US encouraged rape, robbery, and murder of unarmed men, women, and children sounds like propaganda.
gravenimage says
Yep.
Indiana Tom says
Mohammed said that investments in mosques and madrassas overseas were rooted in the Cold War, when allies asked Saudi Arabia to use its resources to prevent inroads in Muslim countries by the Soviet Union.
This would not surprise me as the West were playing the radicals against the Soviet Union.
Of course it is stated by moderate Muslims that Saudi Arabia exports more than oil.
Saudi Arabia would send radical missionaries to moderate Muslim countries to rev them up.
Alien Republican says
I remember when I first saw a stinger wielding mudjadeeen introduced by the reporter as a god fearing weapon of god against the godless soviets. Gone are the soviets and gone are way more liberties than the sovjets could ever supress.
solange Silverman says
I do not understand why you are so down on this man who obviously wants to change things. He has already given women the right to drive and has extended a hand to Israel, while declaring Iran to be the enemy of the Middle East, among other things. Jeez, I mean, he just took control and, much like Trump, has to fight the cabal as well as his jihadist and sharia clergy. Give him a break. Give him a chance. Give him a little time before jumping all over him and assuming he is just like all the rest. His energy tells a different story He is one of our best hopes in the Arab world. Giver the guy a chance.
utis says
There have been examples of generous, open-minded leaders like Akbar of India, but their good policies did not outlive them, and things went back to “normal” after them. Even if you are right about this prince, I don’t think change for the better will be permanent.
janwoG says
I am afraid to agree with you.
Johan Elzinga says
The ideas of this prince are good. But his actions are all meant to get more power. The man is a sociopath, able to sell his own family to slave drivers if he has to. Do not mistake the motives of this man – his ideas may be enlightened and he is obviously extremely intelligent, but his actions turn out to be selfish only. There is no justification of the slaughter in Yemen, even though it was terrorists he was after. He has been responsible of torture of his own family members. It may be handy to the west to have him as an ally against radical islam and to get his country into more enlightened phases, but this has only been half the story.
gravenimage says
solange Silverman, Saudi Arabia is one of the most hideous Shari’ah states in existance. And now he is lying about the West. None of this bodes well for the future.
Mark Swan says
Saudi Arabia must face U.S. lawsuits over Sept. 11 attacks
https://www.reuters.com/
jihad3tracker says
HELLO MR. SWAN —
This is for you (I agree about 9-11 lawsuits) and ALL of the commenters asking for us to believe the good intent of this Saudi “prince” — a very wealthy, ultra privileged, sexually fortunate worshipper of murderer, liar, thief MUHAMMAD.
ROBERT SPENCER STUDIED ISLAM FOR AT LEAST 14 YEARS. He has written at least 14 books, plus thousands of posts here at Jihad Watch, dozens of public venue appearances, advised for national security, risked his life to tell truth about Islam.
“SHORT SIGHTED PEOPLE” — YES INDEED. By the way, for any one who missed Andrew McCarthy’s excellent item establishing why September 11th 2001 is AN ACT OF WAR, do a Google search for that article in The Federalist.
Mark Swan says
Here is a link—-Saudi Arabia must face U.S. lawsuits over Sept. 11 attacks
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-sept11/saudi-arabia-must-face-u-s-lawsuits-over-sept-11-attacks-idUSKBN1H43A1
gravenimage says
Thanks for the links, Mark.
balam says
graenimage: I would rather have a POISONOUS SNAKE in bed and have a peaceful night sleep than TRUST a Muslim. They are indoctrinated with HATRED against the Jews and Christians from early childhood. Please read the story in the PAKISTAN CHRISTIAN POST about a young Christian pregnant woman who requested to be seen by the lady doctor but the MUSLM LADY DOCTOR refused and called the patient an unclean Christian .The male staff and security beat up her three brothers and one of them died. That happened at civil hospital LAHORE,PAKSTAN. Where is the conscience of the leaders of the Western Christian countries ?The Muslims always unite and raise their voices when any wrong is done to other Muslims in the WEST .It is a CURSE to born and live as a Christian in Pakistan which literally means ;Land of the PURE.
gravenimage says
*Horrifying* story, balam.
And Lahore is often described as the most cosmopolitan Pakistani city–this shows how little that means.
Terry Gain says
You win the prize for Most Naive Person Of The Day.
TruthWFree says
You cannot change Islam. The true Muslim believes their allah god revealed the Quran to Mo and it is full of hate against the unbeliever and the allah god exhorts Muslims to fight until Islam is supreme. They’ve been doing this for 1400 years and this guy won’t change anything even if he is sincere. Islam is a religion revealed by Satan, “the father of all lies”…see Gospel of John 8:44 Islam lies about the divinity of Christ and His death on the cross written by eye witnesses 600 to 700 years before the Quran. Islam is Satanic.
Linda says
I agree. Even if he and any other “moderate” Muslims are sincere, Islam can’t be changed. When they become radicalized, they change. It’s not the person you need to watch. It’s the ideology.
gravenimage says
True–even if these reforms are sincere–doubtful at best–it might make things marginally less horrific in Saudi Arabia, but will do nothing to change Islam itself.
TruthWFree says
This guy likely has an Islamist agenda. Probably think that by softening Islam in SA, he can further it in the world. If he goes too far, real Muslims will kill him. Any Muslim who believes the Quran is their allah god’s word, is complicit with the Islamic Jihadist killers.
Carol (the 1st) says
This statement by the Prince is giving me cognitive dissonance:
““I believe Islam is sensible, Islam is simple, and people are trying to hijack it,” he said. Lengthy discussions with clerics, he said, have been positive and are “why we have more allies in the religious establishment, day by day.”
My goodness! And so (after all our hand-wringing) it turns out that all these religious loony tunes needed was a fine Arab prince to pat them nicely on the head and lead them by the hand back to the TRUE sensible and simple Islam (the one victimized by hijackers of course).
Nice PR. I guess Arab leaders don’t need to use tommy guns any more like Ibn Saud did.
annie says
I think he may be correct. Anwar Alawaki was born in New Mexico, in the 1960’s, while his father studied “Farming” at a University there.
ktchnsnk says
Agreed.
Skepticism is fine, but let’s not be SO CYNICAL that we refuse to take YES for an answer.
If the previously brutal practices of other religions were reformable, then just MAYBE those of Islam are also.
The proof will be in the pudding, but hoping for the best and giving MBS’s stated plans a chance to succeed is undeniably better than is eternal war.
christianblood says
(..Saudi crown prince: Spread of Wahhabism done at West’s request during Cold War..)
The West still loves and supports islamists and jihadists! Look at what is happening Syria where the US and the West are directly backing the jihadists that are fighting to overthrow the secular government of Assad that protects Christians and other minorities. Libya, Egypt, Kosovo and Serbia are all good examples where the West directly sided with islamic jihadists.
David says
Breszinski had some brainstorm that bringing back Jihad would help beat the Soviets in Afghanistan. How has that worked out? The problem is that unlike Churchill who understood history, Zbigniew B proved himself to be a complete moron.
Kepha says
Brzenzinski saw everything through the prism of Russia vs. Poland. Back in the day they told the following:
President Carter wakes up one morning and finds that the Soviet Union has collapsed. The Communist Party is disbanded, it becomes a multiparty democracy with Sakharov of president; Solzhenitsyn recalled from exile to serve as foreign minister, Rostropovich as minister of culture, and, when the Ukraine stays with Russia, they recall Grigorenko from exile and put him in charge of the military (for younger folks: these were all Soviet-era dissidents). The new government in Moscow apologizes to the Baltic states, and allows referenda there and in Central Asia. Carter calls in Brzezinski and says, “Isn’t this wonderful news? We can really work with them now!”
Brzezinski scowls and says, “They’re still RUSSIANS”.
TruthWFree says
Brezinski was Carter’s National Security Adviser. A moron advising a moron.
gravenimage says
I see that christianblood is pretending that Muslims are always as honest as the day is long, and that Muslims have no interest in spreading Islam unless told to so by the West.
Just ridiculous.
Alien Republican says
Do you see any actions, patterns in the behaviour of the West that impeded the spread of Islam in the past 70 years ? If not intentional than certainly an incredible amount of political ineptitude and corruption.
christianblood says
Alien Republican posted
(..Do you see any actions, patterns in the behaviour of the West that impeded the spread of Islam in the past 70 years..)
Collaborating with Islamism is intentional on the part of the West
and Satan is the root of it because the West is under the grip of Satan!
dumbledoresarmy says
Don’t forget simple folly.
Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.
And remember: Muslims are past masters at deceit and manipulation. The Cold War – a HUUUUUGE split in the ‘camp of the infidels’ – was just *jam* for them. They profited from *both* sides.
gravenimage says
True, DDA. Most in the West–including politicians–are still largely in denial over the threat of Islam.
Baucent says
The guy is a troll.
seabird says
CB, yes look at Syria where Russia withdrew its troops at 6 bases in the Afrin area allowing the Turks (with about 10,000 cut-throat FSA terrorists) to invade that country for concessions from Turkey which include a “southern stream” gas line, S-400 missle system and Turkey’s first nuclear power plant.
Add to that, Russia’s sale to Saudi A of an S-400 missle system, an AK weapons factory and up to 16 nuclear power plants.
Or how about the sale of about $4bil. of weapons to Azerbaijan which uses these weapons to attack Christian defenders of Ngorno Karabahk despite a cease fire which has been in place for over 20 years?
How are those policies (pandering to and enabling Muslim countries) any different from the West?
Better take a closer look at Russia before stepping up on your soap box-and Happy Easter.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Good points Seabird.
And CB, : “the West is under the grip of Satan”
satan has influence everywhere in the world, Russia included. If you cannot reflect on your own country’s failings, there is little chance for any balance in one’s outlook. You will notice that everyone here is quite willing to admit which parts of our nations are failing us….
christianblood says
LeftisruiningCanada
No doubt the West is under the the tight grip of Satan! Liberalism and Islam are values rooted in Satan and both are running the West and tare anti-Russian to the core! The satanic West hates Russia because of Christianity and because Russia will not legalize their satanic “LGBTQ” agenda that the West is pushing!
Western postmodernist liberalism, represented by the US, and radical islamic salafi jihadism, represented by Saudi Arabia are the two legs of the anti-Christ. They are the two ends of an EVIL spectrum. These two EVIL and destructive ideologies are connected at the root and their root is SATAN, LUCIFER!
gravenimage says
Anti-Jihadists here criticize *anyone* who enables Jihad, wittingly or not, even if it is their own nation–in fact, *especially* if it is their own nation.
Not Christianblood–he is fine with Russia enabling Jihad.
And he has said before that he considers peaceful gay parades a much bigger threat than Muslims slaughtering people–including Russians–in the streets.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Like i said then….. no balance.
CB may be just like any other “my country right or wrong” flag waver.
Ah well. Shame. But at least he loathes islam almost as much as “the West”, whatever he means by that.
gravenimage says
True–Pakistan is also turning to Russia as the US withdraws aid, and Russia is actively enabling a nuclear Iran. *All* infidels have to be smarter about Islam–the problem is not just in the West.
christianblood says
seabird
The Turks have the right to fight the US-backed SDF and other islamist terrorists in that part of Syria and the Assad regime, Iran and Russia understand that very well. It was only after the US announced that they are building a 30.000 Kurdish and Arab terrorist (border force) in that part of Syria that the Turks reacted and everyone knows that. Concerning the S-400 SAMs, Turkey and many other countries are interested in buying them and there is nothing wrong with that as Russia needs the hard currency from those legal purchases. Both Azerbaijan and Armenia are Russia sphere of influence and the situation of Nagorno-Karabach is under control and the last Russian organized agreement is being maintained by both sides. These issues you pointed out to smear Russia and basically non-issue.
gravenimage says
Christianblood only appeared to start supporting the Islamist Turks after Putin started playing footsie with them.
Does he care that Turkey slaughtered most of its Christian population and oppresses the few who are left? Not so you’d notice…
mortimer says
Saudi prince says, “Lengthy discussions with clerics have been positive and are why we have more allies in the religious establishment, day by day.”
Yes, it’s amazing who compliant the clerics become after LENGTHY sessions on the RACK in the Saudi torture chambers.
And, all the other clerics who were known to be stubborn? Well, we’re not exactly sure where they are.
mortimer says
correction: “it’s amazing HOW compliant the clerics become after LENGTHY sessions in the Saudi torture chambers”
Vlad says
“it’s amazing HOW compliant the clerics become after LENGTHY sessions in the Saudi torture chambers”
IMHO, that’s a very good place to be for all those “clerics”
David says
Clerics pretend to become compliant! They should all be put into prison. Any mosques caught radicalising should be destroyed, everywhere.
There are over a thousand mosques in the UK
balam says
I could never trust the Saudi Prance or any Muslim leader because like the SNAKE they also have FORK TONGUE.
RCCA says
The social reforms are a positive and hopeful step in the right direction but I am doubtful that the Crown Prince has an altruistic bone in his body. This is why the US needs a Bolton and not a McMaster as our National Security Advisor.
In addition to traveling throughout the US to develop business relationships MBS is negotiating with Russia to shore up petroleum prices. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-oil-exclusive/exclusive-opec-russia-consider-10-to-20-year-oil-alliance-saudi-crown-prince-idUSKBN1H31SK
utis says
Robert, I am not a scholar, but I have read a lot of history. I know you are right about short-sighted alliances between Christian kings and muslim ones. I hope China and Russia and what is left of the West learn from the past, join together, and defeat militant islam. We can go after one another after the worst enemy is rendered forever harmless. Let leaders have some sense or this will go on forever.
P.S., I’ve pre-ordered your book, because I want to use it as a refresher and a resource as necessary.
Ren says
@Utis
“…defeat militant islam”?
Making a difference between islam and militant islam shows ignorance on islam. The core of islam is militant. Saying “militant islam” is redundant.
Terry Gain says
Adjectives such as militant, radical and extreme to describe Islam are not just redundant, they are misleading.
balam says
@Ren: There is no such thing as tolerant and moderate ISLAM. Sir .Winston Churchill wrote that ISLAM IN A MUSLIM WAS LIKE RABIIES IN A DOG. Won’t you agree with that?
Carolyne says
If one were to stand on a corner in Hyde Park and read that quote from Churchill, he would be arrested. Actually, I wrote that Deputy Chief of Police in London and told him he should be ashamed to do what he is doing in the land of Churchill and Magna Carta. I got an auto response that I would have a real response within five days. Still waiting. If I lived in England and sent such an email, which was polite but disagreeing with his policy, I would have been arrested and possibly sentenced to 15 years.
Churchill was absolutely right about Islam and many other things.
Eric jones says
What ever reforms the crown prince is doing may be well meaning to a degree. I believe that his reforms are an effort to consolidate his power in Saudi. Saudi has a young population that must be placated to some degree so that steam from them can be let off. The crown prince recently did a shake down and extortion of other Saudi royals so he is trying to smooth those feathers out.
Robert is right. Non Muslims may make short term geopolitcal arrangements with Islam. But Islam never loses sight of its long term goal, the whole world under Sharia. 1400 hundred years of single mined discipline cannot be under estimated.
Eric
Thomaspj Poovathinkal says
The ONLY cure for ALL EVILS is obedience to the SON OF GOD. It means PROMOTING more and more people TO Apostleship as it was the CASE with Jesus the Lord and in the PRIMITIVE CHURCH. This we all can learn in the present day world from the Fathers, Sisters and Brothers in The Divine and the SEHION Retreat Centres, Kerala, INDIA.
gravenimage says
Not all young people want reforms. Many young Muslims are particularly fanatical.
Glenn says
I’m always amazed how the relevant, recent history of Saudi Arabia and Jihad is just not discussed. Wahabbis threw a revolution and occupied the holy shrine at Mecca. There is no greater insult to the house of Saud than that, but it was already done by the time the Saudis realized what was happening. They negotiated with these militant, radical lowlives and agreed to fund the building of Madrassas and Mosques around the world in exchange for being left alone in Saudi Arabia.
This was in 1979. We need to begin to understand these people better if we are going to stop getting rolled by them. There is no Saudi on earth who is good for us, they only come in varying degrees of awful. This guy is less awful. Yay…I mean it’s an incredibly undemocratic, unfree govt, filled with excess and the open enrichment of a powerful elite. They don’t even try to hide it. The 5000 or so Saudi royals are parasitic, exploitative lowlifes. They live off of vast oil holdings and buy the people off with modest welfare benefits. Best part though? They are going to run out of oil. Lol, oh, it’s too rich. They can go back to living at the level their mostly pre-modern civilizations brought them to. Like Somalia or Sudan maybe. Very poor.
We don’t need their oil anymore. They could drive de-dollarization of the oil trade. But then again, that wouldn’t destroy us. There would be some adjustment but I we’d be fine. Particularly if we are net exporters of oil and gas.
Try to imagine how corrupt our political leaders are. We cut the Aramco deal and then the dollar based oil trade, turn a blind eye to the Royals global corruption festival, ignore their funding of terrorism while back home constraining oil and gas exploration. Whether offshore or onshore, private or public lands. The left in particular drove this, making us dependent on foreign oil. Enriching these lowlifes. When in fact, we didn’t need to do so if we’d just kept developing our own resources.
Is the Left masochistic or even suicidal?
dumbledoresarmy says
There was a scholar named Palgrave who knew Arabic, knew Islam. He is quoted by an astute American scholar named James Freeman Clarke.
Palgrave spoke of “the great Wahabbi revival”. So-called ‘Wahabbism’ is NOT some weird fringe heresy or aberration. It is an attempt to restore pure Islam; to conform Muslim societies to the Sunnah as perfectly as possible.
Just as the Reformation was a movement within Christendom to ‘return to the source’ of Christianity; SO ALSO Wahabbism is a ‘return to the source’ of Islam.
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Karen says
Excellent, fascinating post. I’ll read more about the mosque occupation you mention. I was quite shocked at the prince’s assertion that the export of vile Wahhabism was a favor to the West. Sadly, he likely won’t be challenged. To hear the pious leadership of Islam and the Middle East tell it, every atrocity done for the sake of Islam can be traced to a backfiring Western plot that encouraged it. I noticed that the prince didn’t go so far as to claim that Wahhabism wasn’t introduced to KSA in this same plot; he apparently knew that would be going too far.
gravenimage says
Yes–Wahabbism is orthodox Islam.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
The Saudi royal family has, throughout the twentieth century, successfully manipulated American politicians. The Saudi royals are skilled at playing both sides and getting away with it. They and their state are and will continue to be the NUMBER ONE financial backer of international Mohammadan terrorism. They do this because it is their obligation (zakat) as Mohammadans. They are duplicitous about it because Mohammadism allows, no requires, them to do it.
balam says
Muslims follow a great leader who was a great POLITICIAN and a GREAT WAR LORD but never a prophet sent by HOLY GOD!!!
MTMLA says
Follow the $$$$ why the US politicians are so cozy with the Saudis..
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
The petrodollar.
Westman says
Successive Saudi governments lost track of the effort, he said, and now “we have to get it all back.”
Could somebody explain the meaning of, “we have to get it all back”?
Alien Republican says
Problabyl a reference to sura one.
Karen says
A bit of hand waving. He doesn’t get too detailed, does he? They just lost track, ya know? Like leaving a faucet on in the basement.
His main point? “Here’s my irrefutable summary, and don’t ask me any questions about it”.
Carol (the 1st) says
Lest we forget, there’s a memorable Breitbart photo of a Crown Prince and the head of the “religious” side of the Saudi tag-team beaming at each other as they opened a huge mosque in France. I think it was taken on or near Bastille Day when one of Allah’s warriors mowed down dozens on the promenade with a barreling truck attack.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/03/26/saudi-crown-prince-meets-u-s-entertainment-tech-executives/
mgoldberg says
It is no longer Expedient to have openly jihadist goals or the constraints that have held the iron grip of sharia in the west. The mosques have been established, the political influence peddling long established and the sharia movement well established making demands and erasing opposition or minimizing. That he is softening the outward appearance will change nothing.
mgoldberg says
And the Prince met in NYC yesterday with a reform jewish rabbi, a conservative jewish rabbi, and a rep of the OU an observant jewish group. ” Prince Mohammed has said he wants to ease the country toward “moderate Islam, open to the world and all religions.”
Uh huh. And Mecca will allow all religions to come visit? And Islam will allow other religious adherents to bring their holy texts to Saudi Arabia? All very very unlikely. But even if hell froze over and he was able to pull that one off, for the first time ever- the Jihad will indeed go on. It will not stop. This Islamic kingdom has helped seed the non muslim world with mosques and muslims and sharia demands upon non muslim nations- the OIC controlling the dialogue at the UN. This is a new phase of the Jihad, and it will essentillay be the importation of Sharia demands to non muslim nations and the infiltration of ‘immigrants to non muslim lands.
Remember, Saudi Arabia and the emerates refused to take in any Syrian Refugees and publically announced such back in sept 2015. They clearly stated that they couldn’t tell who the Jihadists were in those peoples, and secondly, people from different cultures had difficulty absorbing into new cultures- this explaination is too precious, since its arabs, muslims almost entirely, going to another arab, muslim country- and he refused. Has that been rescinded? Not at all.
This is a sucker move to allow the next phase of the Jihad, and that is all. It is not some conspiratorial
scenario, merely the next logical step. And I don’t think he can allow but a few freedoms, a few sparse allowances in that society.
mgoldberg says
“… In the wider culture, it is becoming beyond the bounds of acceptable discourse to oppose jihad terror in any way, if one even suggests a knowledge of its root causes. This will not, and cannot, end well.”
This was written by R Spencer in another post about that prof not being hired because he was concerned about the Jihad. Here too, the Prince of Saudi Arabia is but continuing the next phase of the expansion of islam- by pretending away any and all connection to the serial homicidisms of Islam, the Jihad, are not of Islam, nor of polite conversation, and never to to be discussed as being part of Mohammed, nor of his Islam.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
mithraist Christian first used obnoxious wahhabism,which breeds terrorism, when fighting ottoman Turks. The wicked mithraist Christian West, especially apartheid evil united states,also invoked wahhabism by sponsoring the so-called Arab spring, which gave rise to the emergerce of more deadly terrorist groups líke IsIs funded by evil saudi royal family,armed by evil united states and and coordinated by fascist evil zionist state of Israel to weaken muslim nations for the benefits of fascist evil zionist state of Israel.
christians and Jews are, therefore, the worst of mankind working for the Satan the father of all evils
Baucent says
Worst of mankind? Oh I think you could include your friends at Boko Haram in that club.
mgoldberg says
You’re an idiot…. but I would’t blame Islam.
Okay…. I’ll blame Islam too… since even the smart ones speak as do you.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Bàucent, Boko haram is also one of the worst of mankind because they belong to you People of evil
Jack Diamond says
People of Sunnah for Islamic Propagation and Jihad, i.e. Boko Harem, sounds like your spawn not ours. A goal of establishing a pure Shari’a state sounds like your spawn not ours. Eradicating Christianity from the land sounds like your spawn not ours.
Does this sound like a pious Muslim or an infidel? “Let the world know that we have been enjoined by Allah to kill the unbelievers. We shall continue to kill those who strive to stand against the will of Allah by opposing Shariah. We don’t mind if we die doing this because it is even a blessing for us to die in this cause and gain paradise.”
–Abubakar Shekau (nicknamed “Darul Tawheed”, meaning “specialist in tawheed”)
A few at random:
April, 2012 Boko Haram bombs Christian churches celebrating Easter, killing 39.
Oct. 2012, Boko Haram storms Federal Polytechnic College separating the Christian students from the Muslim students, and proceeds to shoot or slit the throats of some 30 Christians. Sounds like Islam spawned them, all right.
Feb. 2014, 53 Christians murdered as armed Muslims enter Church during services, lock the doors, and slit the throats of those trying to leave.
Are they shouting “Allahu akbar!” every single time? Your team, Bubba. Same Qur’an, same Muhammad, same jihad, same shari’a end game.
They have also attempted to “strike fear into the Christians of the power of Islam by kidnapping their women.” An official threat, made along with one to poison the food
supply of the Christians. Where would a Muslim read about striking fear in the heart or about “fighting to kill” the People of the Book?
Their jihad went into gear with the election of a Christian ruling over them, a no-no in Islam for non-Muslims to rule over Muslims. Doesn’t that make them….Islamic?
Now, you may favor some of your little monsters more than others, they may even fight with each other, but they are all your spawn. The spawn of Muhammad.
Jack Diamond says
“Boko Haram”, of course, though Boko Harem is also what they are about. Kidnapping Christian girls for sex, a thing MUSLIMS do for reasons of Islam. Yet they “belong to us”
no matter that every “worst of mankind” action they take is derived solely from the Qur’an and Sunnah, Islam must remain blameless. Here again, as Nonie Darwish says, they (Muslims) “never take responsibility for their own problems, actions and terror.”
Baucent says
My friend you could lie straight in bed.
AleX says
@ibe
Mithraist itace has a very limited vocabulary of 30 words.
Satan-inspired moon-god mithraist worshipper is better than his illiterate prophet though.
epistemology says
What you’re saying is utterly stupid. Jews and Christians were the first ones to declare the human rights In Islam you only practice atrocities. Sharia is the most obnoxious law on this planet. .
gravenimage says
The grotesque Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
mithraist Christian first used obnoxious wahhabism,which breeds terrorism, when fighting ottoman Turks.
…………………………
Of course, this claim is ridiculous–the West had no presence in 18th century Arabia, and Wahabbism is orthodox Islam.
And Ibrahim itace muhammed has no actual ideological disagreements with Wahabbism–he just wants his own faction in power in the “Kingdom of the Two Holy Places”.
More:
The wicked mithraist Christian West, especially apartheid evil united states,also invoked wahhabism by sponsoring the so-called Arab spring, which gave rise to the emergerce of more deadly terrorist groups líke IsIs funded by evil saudi royal family,armed by evil united states and and coordinated by fascist evil zionist state of Israel to weaken muslim nations for the benefits of fascist evil zionist state of Israel.
christians and Jews are, therefore, the worst of mankind working for the Satan the father of all evils
…………………………
What a load of crap. The “Arab Spring” was Ibrahim itace muhammed’s own pious corelgionists. The idea that thes pious Muslims are actually Americans and Jews is ridiculous.
Needless to say, his constant claims of Christianity being “Mithraist”, the United States being an apartheid state, and civilized, democratic Israel being “Fascist” are claptrap, as well.
More:
Bàucent, Boko haram is also one of the worst of mankind because they belong to you People of evil
…………………………
The idea that Boko Haram are Americans and Jews makes no more sense.
In fact, Ibrahim itace muhammed has no ideological disagreements with them, either–he agrees with them on kidnapping and raping underaged Christian girls and slaughtering Infidels–again, he just considers Boko Haram rivals to his own gang.
Daniel Triplett says
All Ummah monarchs and dictators worship their own power more than they worship Allah.
I believe if we forced such men to choose between:
1. Forced apostasy and Islamic proscription of your own populations, but keep your power, territory, and resources
or
2. Random, incremental, nuclear annihilations of your cities/strategic targets until you surrender unconditionally, after which we strip you of your power, territory, and resources
…most all would choose Option #1.
Of course, we must have the stomach and Will to deliver on our ultimatum. If we did, we could possibly collapse the OIC inside of six months, for under $10 Billion, with 20 nuke strikes or less.
This would then just leave the more difficult problem of winning the counter-insurgency, and forced proscription, against Ummah conventionally inside non-OIC states: A difficult task, but would be easier if we could first weaken their Will to Fight as a result of our forcing Dar al-Islam’s surrender in Stage 1.
JawsV says
“I believe Islam is sensible, Islam is simple, and people are trying to hijack it.” — Saudi Prince
No, Islam isn’t sensible. Islam is sheer lunacy. Yes, Islam is simple: “Kill the Infidels for Allah” (Quran 9:111). Additionally, Islam is for simpletons. Anyone who can believe that rap (put a c before rap) isn’t much in the brains department. No, Islam’s not being hijacked. The only things hijacked were planes on 9/11.
Speaking of, how about an apology for 9/11, Prince? No? Saracens don’t apologize to Infidels.
balam says
Jaw V;I think Quran 9:111 inspired the Saudi Terrorist to attack on 9-11 and year 1 of Second century.
balam says
Sorry ,second Millennium.
Peter says
Even if true, the Cold War ended in 1991, not 2018.
Anti-Communism is not the same as predatory INFIDELPHOBIA, which is inherent to orthodox Islam, and a threat to 80% of humanity.
Keys says
Nixon: Yes, hello ! King Faisal, Dick Nixon here. May I be frank ? We need you to do all you can to help us stop those Soviet bastards from taking over the world.
KF: I see, how can we do that, and what can you give us in return ?
Nixon: Let me be frank. I’ve heard you have some pretty radical sheiks over there who will tolerate nothing but Islam. My sources say they’re called Wabbies, or some shi ….
KF: Yes my infidel friend, they are called Wahabists and they tolerate only the law of Allah, like Mohammad. All other ideologies are put to the sword, if you see what I mean.
Nixon: Yes, I see. I think we can work together. These Wabists sound just like the people that Lawrence of Arabia fought with. The American people will love that !
KF: Mmmmmm ….. and what are you, my kafir friend, prepared to do for we Saudis who are poor, proud, Arab Bedouin Mohammadans continually exploited here in the scorched sands of the Middle East?
Nixon: Well, you know you SOBs are not charging much for a barrel of oil. If you charged more, you could spread those Wabbies where ever you have influence – in your part of the world, and all over the world.
KF: Mmmmm, yes, I see. You are enlightened by Allah. You would let us raise oil prices 10 times current rate, and allow us to build our mosques throughout the world?
Nixon: Damn right ! Let me make this crystal clear. I will tell my fellow Americans, and the entire world, there is an oil shortage, and real Americans should only drive 55 mph to conserve energy. Oil prices will go from 34 cents to almost $4 per gallon, so those Omar Sharif types can help stop those damn communists.
KF: Allah Akbar
Nixon: I’ll send Henry, the Jew, over to work out the devilish details. By the way, thanks for calling me a kafir.
**************
“The Cold War isn’t thawing; it is burning with a deadly heat. Communism isn’t sleeping; it is, as always, plotting, scheming, working, fighting.” – Richard M. Nixon
Mohammadan jihad isn’t thawing; it is burning with a deadly heat. Islam isn’t sleeping; it is, as always, plotting, scheming, working, fighting.”
Karen says
One of the best posts…ever!
gravenimage says
God knows I am *no* fan of Nixon–but he was generally as ignorant about Islam as more modern Western leaders. At one point he said, “Islam has no doctrine of terrorism.”
seabird says
And what’s his excuse for the other 1300+ years of murder, mayhem and genocide?
balam says
ISLAM!!!
MTMLA says
Yes. Watch his interview with 60 minutes..a bunch of lies.
Karen says
Lol. As him no questions, and he’ll tell you no lies.
Karen says
Ask.
gravenimage says
Good question.
WESTPAC Spy says
“History is littered with the broken bodies of short-sighted people who thought they could ride this wave. But this never works well for the non-Muslims in the end.”
That’s the only silver lining I see in the evil leftist/Islamic alliance.
The useful infidels are the first ones the Muslims will execute when they implement Sharia.
gravenimage says
We saw this in Iran with the savage liquidation of the Communist Tudeh Party after the Mullahs had consolidated their power.
gravenimage says
Saudi crown prince: Spread of Wahhabism done at West’s request during Cold War
………………..
What a load of claptrap. Muslims have always been intent on spreading Islam. Da’wa and Jihad are the principle methods.
balam says
gravenmage: You are absolutely right.
gravenimage says
Thanks.
Raja says
This is akin to saying, We always had the snake in our bag but we let it loose at the request of the West.
This might well be true BUT Islam can never be tamed or reformed can only be eradicated.
The concept of Islamic supremacy runs deep in the veins of Muslims as they invariably judge a person whether the person (upon death) was true Muslim or not.
Islam is the biggest scandal on the mankind sneaked in by slimy Satan.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Raja, but the Satan in Durga goddess and Dharma idols commands you to commit atrocities more than wahhabists in India where you slaughter muslims líke rams and rape outcaste ladies using sticks Instead of penis. you are among the worst of mankind as mushrik barbarians.
Alien Republican says
You managed to learn a language from the civilized world. My compliments for trying to escape the gravitational pull of your backward bedouin master.
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed thinks that the “atrocity” in India is that Hindus are living there lives freely there.
And notice that–once again–he is calling for the rape of women. *Ugh*.
BigTideFan says
“I believe Islam is sensible, Islam is simple, and people are trying to hijack it,”
Sure, it is.
Nonie Darwish says
I don’t agree with the Saudi leader because he reinforces Muslims’ tendency to never take responsibility for their own problems, actions and terror. Wahabism is a Saudi Arab problem they should resolve.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Nonie Darwin, if wahhabism is only saudi problem why did wicked mithraist christians and evil Jews used it in their deceptive wars against ottoman Turks ,soviet Union and now against progressive muslim nations for the benefits of fascist evil zionist state of Israel ?
gravenimage says
The foul Ibrahim itace muhammed has already said that he would personally murder brave apostates like Nonie Darwish. *Ugh*.
By the way, what the hell is a “progressive Muslim nation”? I suppose that would the worst Shari’ah hell hole imaginable.
MTMLA says
Hi Nonie, love you!!! I learrned a lot about evil islam from your books. Thanks
I listened to MBS interview on 60 minutes 2 Sundays ago. Lots of misinformation about Islam. Taqiyya (sp?)
gravenimage says
Yes–Nonie Darwish is a real heroine!
Karen says
Exactly right. KSA taking responsibility for its actions would be most “sensible”.
mv says
These Arab fools,Pakis, Afganis or Iranians are not dangerous in future. IQ is low. But Euro mongoloids such as Turks, Azeris, Tajiks are huge threat. Then Mongol Muslims such as central Asians are also dangerous. Russian and European Muslims are controllable. There is a huge geographic gap between Russian and European Muslims, and other Muslims. Refer Muslim world.
gravenimage says
What a lot of claptrap. This has nothing to do with race–all pious Muslims are dangerous.
infidel says
TERRORIZED HINDUS migrate out of their ancestral land and homes in the state of WB.
MUST READ:
http://www.abplive.in/india-news/asansol-riots-hindu-community-migrating-after-the-clashes-during-ram-navami-675537
Chand says
For the last three years the Hindu supremacist party, the BJP, with its Narendra Modi as Prime Minister, has begun a new trend in West Bengal. They are not in power there and are keen to take it politically. They are organizing rallies with Hindus armed with weapons, like spears, tridents and swords, on a holy day celebrating Lord Rama. Processions celebrating Rama never were armed rallies. This is a new agressive malicious kind of Hinduism being falsely propagated. This is a planned technique to instigate communal tension by provoking the Muslims by going into their neighborhoods with arms. This way communal harmony would be destroyed and Hindus will thus gravitate towards the Hinduist parties like the BJP out of fear of Muslims, instead of supporting the secular party now ruling in West Bengal.
gravenimage says
UH huh–Hindus are causing a problem with communal harmony by complaining when Muslims murder them. Bad, bad dhimmis…
Brian hoff says
The biggest fear in america in 1950 s that Soviet Union take over Iraq or Iran or Pakistan.
Baucent says
Haji Hoff is back. No, that particular fear was way down the list.
gravenimage says
Why would this have been America’s biggest fear? How retarded.
Keys says
Ya, Brian Scoff, that’s why thousands of Americans in the 1950s built and stocked nuclear bomb shelters on their property; that’s why 4th graders were taught that radiation travels in straight lines; … … … because our “biggest fear” was that “Soviet Union take over Iraq or Iran or Pakistan.”
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
https://www.rt.com/usa/422633-us-court-dismisses-motion-saudi-arabia-lawsuit/
hans Moll says
Yaroslav Trofimov argues in his ‘The Siege of Mecca’ that the siege of 1979 was the start of mondial wahabbism.
duh swami says
‘Beware of Greeks bearing gifts’, and Muslims who sound reasonable…
Manos says
What do you mean beware Greeks bearing gifts? Greece has been screwed from all sides. Beware Greeks if it has a real leaders, just like it once had during ancient times as well as during the 1821 uprising to get rid of the ottoman Turks. In the mean tim Greece has no leaders but globalist traitors. The only hope for Greece is a military coup just like in 1967 under Georgios Papadoupoulos.
duh swami says
don’t let sarcasm get you down…
gravenimage says
Manos, this is a reference to the Trojan Horse. In Virgil’s Aeneid, Laocoön, priest of Troy, tells his countrymen to “Beware of Greeks bearing gifts”.
This is *not* a condemnation of Greeks or Greece.
In popular parlance, it is just a proverb that means if a rival or enemy shows one generosity or kindness, one should be suspicious of their motives.
Terra Nova says
I have the same question as Westman. We get it all back, what is : it all?
And what about the funding, not his government’s fault, the “Islamic foundations are doing it”
USA and all the other countries have to stop the funding of every mosque, towers, universities, etc.
And if they have money, they have to show where it came from. Mind you, they will find a way.
Taqqia is in their blood, that is why you never can trust a muslim.
But you know, that can never happen as people are too greedy for that, look at your own governments.
Like they always say: FOLLOW THE MONEY, and they do, from all sides, no matter where it comes from.
Sickening !!!
Chand says
“………….investments in mosques and madrassas overseas were rooted in the Cold War, when allies asked Saudi Arabia to use its resources to prevent inroads in Muslim countries by the Soviet Union.”
This is an old story. Fundamentalist Islam was used by the West as one of the weapons to fight atheist Communism.
Steadily and surely secular Muslim leaders were weakened, opposed and maligned as puppets of the USSR. Then direct Western aid was provided to the Mujahideen and the Arab militias in Afghanistan and with the collapse of the USSR the genie of Jihadism was let loose on the world and so we are now all free from the menace of totalitarian communism but have to contend with greater demon called Islamic Jihadism.
gravenimage says
Uh huh. Chand *hates* the free West, but rarely says any critical about the horrors of Islam.
gravenimage says
anything critical
mgoldberg says
The attempts to remove draconian sharia impediments to ‘others’ in that kingdom, will not change
what attempts are made to examine Islam and it’s sharia imposition upon ‘others’, especially will be forbidden from discussion. The opening of the kingdom to others, may happen to some extent with some strict controlls but it will mean little.
The conspiratorial ideology about how all others are preventing Islam from it’s rightful ascendancy cannot be ‘removed’ from it’s schools since that is what Islamic eschatology commits itself too- and the hatred of others and the hatred of other ideology’s cannot be removed since that is what Mohammed taught… forever, everywhere it goes.
Mike says
Meanwhile , in Quebec city, Alexandre Bissonnette is pleading guilty for the assassination of 6 muslins.
On radio, FM 93 , Dr Pierre Mailloux , psychiatrist and psychoanalyst , ask the reporter if Alexandre is medicated . The reporter answered yes . Dr Mailloux ask again : ” Could you tell me , then ,where is the logic behind all this . If Alexandre Bissonnette take medicine to fight his anxiety due to the consequences of his act , according to what I have learn in medicine schools and my 38 years of practice , it is impossible to plead guilty in such a case. A real murderer do wrong and feel no guilty after that because he did a bad thing in complete accord with his thinkings .I want to do a bad thing and I did . That’s all. Anxiety following a murder is incompatible with a real murderer. First caracteristic of a murderer: lack of empathy for his victims. “
gravenimage says
Some murderers *do* feel guilty and remorseful after the fact. Not all that common, though.
Mike says
Body language 101 : When someone smiles and keep his teeth hidden , he is hiding a secret to you .
Karen says
Interesting…
gravenimage says
Not always–sometimes this is just anatomy or embarassment over bad teeth. Often this is the case, though.
Carol (the 1st) says
Or a cultural thing – no strong emotions, smiles or laughter encouraged (but rage is A-OK).
Thomaspj Poovathinkal says
The ONLY cure for ALL EVILS is obedience to the SON OF GOD. It means PROMOTING more and more people TO Apostleship as it was the CASE with Jesus the Lord and in the PRIMITIVE CHURCH. This we all can learn in the present day world from the Fathers, Sisters and Brothers in The Divine and the SEHION Retreat Centres, Kerala, INDIA.
staffsgt7 says
Did anyone tell the moronic sowdie barbarians that the Cold War was over in the 1980s? And that they sped up their spread of their filth in the 20th century – after their jihadists attacked us in a overt declaration of war on 9/11?
staffsgt7 says
I should also add that the sowdie in the pic is giving us the old, tiring excuse of ‘they are hijacking islam’ bull poop. He is full of the camel piss he drinks.
terry says
When S.A. and islam embraces secularism, equality for all, civil rights and democracy get back to me.
Islam is extreme on it’s face , an evil ideology and always will be.
I’m at the point that i will never trust the word of a muslim.
WESTPAC Spy says
“…History is littered with the broken bodies of short-sighted people who thought they could ride this wave. But this never works well for the non-Muslims in the end.”
The only silver lining I see as leftist aid the Islamization of the west is that the “useful infidels” of the West will be the first to be beheaded or thrown of a tall building.
duh swami says
“I believe Islam is sensible, Islam is simple, and people are trying to hijack it,” he said
Sensible? Is that a joke?
Simple? Is that a joke?
Hijacked? Where have I heard that before?
Jedothek says
I’m sure Robert is thinking also of those such as von Papen and apparently some industrialists who thought they could use the Nazis and control them.
Bindon Blood says
There is a grain of truth in this but a ton of prevarication. The West ,the EU actually, did indeed enter into agreements with Islam ,via the OIC to , to spread Islam and Arab culture in Europe and it was partly to freeze out Russia ,as it still is. But the full truth is worse. The project that the EU is pushing so fanatically is the creation of a Power bloc of Europe and the OIC countries.
The ambition is to become the largest bloc on the planet with its own army and other military capabilities. It is not only Russia it wants to freeze out but also America.
The EU is constantly pushing East ,as National Socialism did before it, stepping on Russia’s toes.
Other Western style countries will in time be forced into this entity for their own survival . This is why it is vital that the EU is exposed and destroyed.
Bindon Blood says
There is a grain of truth in this but a ton of prevarication. The West ,the EU actually, did indeed enter into agreements with Islam ,via the OIC to , to spread Islam and Arab culture in Europe and it was partly to freeze out Russia ,as it still is. But the full truth is worse. The project that the EU is pushing so fanatically is the creation of a Power bloc of Europe and the OIC countries.
The ambition is to become the largest bloc on the planet with its own army and other military capabilities. It is not only Russia it wants to freeze out but also America.
The EU is constantly pushing East ,as National Socialism did before it, stepping on Russia’s toes.
Other Western style countries will in time be forced into this entity for their own survival . This is why it is vital that the EU is exposed and destroyed.
George Williams says
The Saudis have unleashed the dogs of war and their leader fears being mauled by them. Decades of openly cooperating with the West have made the King and his Westernized family the most hated of traitors within the orthodox Muslim community. Ironically, it is the Wahhabis that the House of Saud has bought off with oil money that has created the worldwide orthodox Muslim diaspora that would massacre the royal family if they were not protected by the Saudi Arabia National Guard (SANG). The House of Saud seems to have made a choice, fall in with the West or perish under the sword of the very evil they have created.
Gjallarhornet says
There is some truth to what he is saying. Yet he is still lying.
Yes, the West pushed for this during the cold war, true enough, but the Saudi were not just dildos without their own will in that game. They pushed the push even further. For their own aims.
This game he is playing, of Saudi Arabia being turned into a willing ally in the fight against jihadis – I don’t buy it. The reason is that the islamic mess we see in the world today comes from Saudi money. If you believed they’ve changed, you must believe that their whole *vision* has changed.
It hasn’t.
It seems like he has studied the most dishonest of Western rethorical device, the one the nazis used. To make people believe a lie – construct the lie upon something that is true. That way, the lie can never
be completely refuted. Something will always stick.
Politicianophobia says
Did the prince say anything about Fridays be designated as ‘Dirty Kafir Day”? Did he say they will allow churches to be built in SA for the Dirty Kafirs?
Susette says
Trump is sadly mistaken and putting our country in danger by befriending the Saudis, as they are looking to infiltrate the USA at the highest levels of government. Looks like they have succeeded in flattering the easily-flattered Trump. Trump’s and Baby Jared’s dealings with the Saudis are highly suspicious and most likely for personal financial gain.
Saudi Arabia is a country with one of the worst human records on the planet. They are not our friends. But I can see why Trump is so smitten by Saudi Arabia…perhaps it’s the monarchy’s “president for life” type of government, that women are second class citizens and should remain hidden, that you can have more than one wife (or multiple lovers while married in Trump’s case), that you can whimsically execute drug dealers and gays, that you can force your own fundamentalist religion on every citizen, etc. He embraces those very same ideologies as evidenced by his own words.