“Europe will be Muslim.” That fact is fairly obvious to everyone at this point, and that is likely why the May government in Britain is moving so swiftly to persecute and destroy all resistance to Sharia and Islamization. The British authorities see the writing on the wall, and well they should, because they wrote it. And they’re not alone. The European political elites have the Europe they wanted and made, and for which they alone are responsible.
“One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.” – Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, at the UN in 1974
Unless there is some massive change, in another generation or two, it will be all over in Europe, and Sharia will descend, courtesy the globalist internationalism, short-sightedness and fear of being accused of “Islamophobia” of European officials.
“Kurdish Afrin Falls to Turkey,” by Uzay Bulut, Gatestone Institute, March 19, 2018 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
…MP Alparslan Kavaklıoğlu, a member of the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) and the head of the parliament’s Security and Intelligence Commission, recently stated:
“The fortune and wealth of the world is moving from the West to the East. Europe is going through a time that is out of the ordinary. Its population is declining and aging. It has a very old population. So, people coming from outside get the jobs there. But Europe has this problem. All of the newcomers are Muslim. From Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Turkey. Those who come from these places are Muslim. It is now at such a level that the most popular name in Brussels, Belgium is Mohammed. The second most popular name is Melih [Malih] and the third one is Ayşe [Aisha].”
According to Kavaklıoğlu, if this trend continues,
“the Muslim population will outnumber the Christian population in Europe. This… has increased the nationalistic, xenophobic and anti-Islam rhetoric there. Hence, marginal, small parties have started to get large numbers of votes… But there is no remedy for it. Europe will be Muslim. We will be effective there, Allah willing. I am sure of that.”
Diane Harvey says
Or as Kent Brockman, himself representatively as gutless as any of our MSM and politicians and other slavish worshippers at the PC altar, might put it,
“Ladies and gentlemen, er, we’ve just lost the picture, but, uh, what we’ve seen speaks for itself. The Corvair spacecraft has been taken over — ‘conquered’, if you will — by a master race of giant space ants [Muslims]. It’s difficult to tell from this vantage point whether they will consume [convert] the captive earth men or merely enslave them [or exercise the third Muslim option, kill them]. One thing is for certain, there is no stopping them; the ants [Muslims] will soon be here. And I, for one, welcome our new insect [Islamic] overlords. I’d like to remind them that as a trusted TV personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to…toil in their underground sugar caves.”
No Fear says
Yes indeed. For those who don’t know Kent Brockman:
h t t p s : / / w w w .youtube.com/watch?v=W4jWAwUb63c
gravenimage says
+1
Sons of Liberty says
+1 ,…or as the King of the Wood Elves said so perfectly in the The Hobbit , The Desolation of Smaug ,..” Such is the nature of EVIL ,…out there in the vast IGNORANCE OF THE WORLD… it festers and grows like the oncoming wall of night ! ” This Islamic invasion has been IGNORED by Europe and now the ONCOMING WALL OF NIGHT is at hand ! If not for President Trump the same would be true for the United States .
J D S says
Sons of liberty is right about president Trump…Now how long he can hold on with the democrats at and some repubs falling in with them, I dint know, but I hope he is strong enough to withstand anything they throw at him.
J D S says
There is a very important key point here and I reiterate here.
“THE MUSLIM POPULATION WILL OUTNUMBER THE CHRISTIAN POPULATION”
People in America need to look closely st this. If you ave been slack in your Christian worship, not worshiping at all, wondering about Christianity, and are concerned about your country losing its identification,and the flood of migrants, then may I suggest you get involved.
Churches are closing their doors on a daily basis and just think of the churches that have been destroyed by Muslims in Muslim countries and that is just what……….
the Muslims and Satan based religions are hoping for…Don’t be a part of the fall of America and don’t “let George do it” George don’t exist! I’m not a preacher……..
I’m not even good…There’s none good but God..but I see the pattern in Europe and am a concerned citizen. All I’m asking is to give Christianity a chance to help save America. NOTICE I DIDN’T SAY SAVE. I SAID HELP SAVE..Get “Into Church”
don vito says
What’s to say? If present trends continue…blah, blah, blah, How to change present trends, must start with the replacement of Western leadership, not Western people.
christianblood says
Isn’t Western leadership come from Western people?
Mirit says
Elected people – yes. Eurocrats – no.
gravenimage says
Yes–most EU bureaucrats are unelected.
Save Europe says
You mean ‘doesn’t.’
balafama says
this idiot calls europeans anti-islam and xenophobic while celebrating the ”imminent” take over of europe by muslims, stunning arrogance .but i don’t blame him we all know the folks who have given him the power to spew such nonsense.
what is it with islam that makes its adherents so envious of successful non islamic nations that they have no other ambition but to conquer and appropriate the hardwork and success of such nations. they have been trying to conquer europe since the 8th century and succeeded in conquering constantinople and eastern europe.what a greedy and amoral religion. the only religion in the 21st century that wants to exercise dominance and enslave humanity.
Jack Diamond says
Muhammad was a brigand, a robber and pillager. The Muslims lived off the “booty” of the hard work of others, not to mention their enslavement. What’s new?
JawsV says
Plus, Muhammed told his Muslims: “Everything belongs to you.”
That includes Infidel lands, achievements, inventions.
mummymovie says
Will every new achievement, invention, and construction we’re creating end up being a habitat for inhumanity?
What teat will they have to milk off of after they run the ship aground?
Outside of Merkel et al, I still don’t understand why the Mediterranean route can’t be closed off. The route through Turkey may always be problematic, unless some drastic measures are taken that would likely trigger war, but they haven’t been using this one as much, to my knowledge… but NGO “rescue boats”?
Sheesh!
Meet them with gunboats.
gravenimage says
All true, guys. Good exchange.
DFD says
Graven & Jaybo
There was no reply button on Jaybo’s post, so I a’m yours. Sorry, though I trust it’s OK…
Jay Boo “….My question to Muslims is: Have you no shame? — Ditto to…”
You better explain to them the meaning of ‘shame’, then you can ask that question. All you can get at the moment with that question is blank stares. Note: Shame is a human thing.
AleX says
Islam is a parasitic form of governance, based upon appropriating by force the wealth of the dhimma (through jizzya) and suppressing the host culture (regardless of type) by means of slavery, tyranny, warfare, intimidation, assassination, theft, ambush, dissent, undermining of state authority, deceit, genocide, mass rape, dishonest biological reproduction through polygamy, treason, double standards, dualism and conniving duplicity.
To hell with it!
Pet Charles says
They succeeded with Constantinople because the UK and France stopped the Russians from taking it back after the fall of the Ottoman Empire around World War I. The UK and France are two of the most two faced nations on the planet.
gravenimage says
This is just silly. The idea that the Soviet Union was poised to invade and take over Turkey at the end of WWI is just ahistorical claptrap.
DFD says
@ Jay Boo
What you are referring to is called the “Constantinople Agreement” from 1915. Essentially it collapsed for various reasons, one of these was Germany’s victory in WW1 in 1917, and the subsequent Bresk-Litovsk treaty. Essentially this stipulated that Russia was permitting free voting/self determination for the Poles, Lithuanians, Estonians, Belorussians and Ukranians etc. – **Yes, NATO is now where Germany was in 1917 !!!!** Of course, given the US determination to never ever let a situation of friendship, or mutual, or one sided dominance to develop, between Russia and Germany, the US had to enter the war under any pretext. Refer here to the speech by Freedman of the Stratfor institute in 2015 in Chicago. I.e. “.,..it’s US policy for the last 100 years to not…. and to prevent… the only power that could rival the US… et cetera est”.
As far as the Constantinople agreement is concerned, there is a good lead in with this Wikipedia, link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople_Agreement
The Zimmerman telegram and the sinking of the U.S.S. Housatonic were just minor issues. Germany’s victory and it’s dominance of the east in conjunction with the willingness of the French and Brits to call it quits and go home, it was that what caused the US to enter the war. (See footnote) As in the second world war, its industry and safe distance would guarantee victory.
A.J.P. Taylor, a notable British historian wrote a lot more about that.
See also:
emersonkent.com/map_archive/eastern_front_1917_8.htm
and 40 maps that explain World War at
vox.com/a/world-war-i-maps
It’s a bit of a learning curve, a bit to study, but you’ll be stunned. What really happened…
BTW, if you are unfamiliar with Stratfor, LEARN! It has more influence on US foreign police than the American foreign office. Pentagon? Complicated question, is the Pentagon part of Stratfor or is the other way round? Let me put it this way, when freedman/stratfor holds a conference or gives a lecture, THE WORLD pays attention. US speakers and participants for instance range from various Presidents to the likes of Kissinger – ever heard of him? Plus numerous other Bildergers.
Have fun!
Footnote:
Bismarck: Whenever there is friendship between Germany and Russia, all of Europe prospers, whenever there’s enmity between Germany and Russia, all of Europe suffers.
Stalin: The western allies will watch and wait as long as we (the Russians) and the Germans kill each other, and they will help us doing so. When the winner is clear, they move.
See also:
google.co.uk/search?q=stalin+on+western+allies&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=iEWxWtm2NOzagAaDmKqADw
and in particular….
markedbyteachers.com/as-and-a-level/history/assess-the-view-that-stalin-a-a-s-suspicions-of-his-western-allies-between-1941-and-1945-were-justified.html
Unless you have something better to do over the next few days ….. 🙂
Turtler says
@DFD Where are you getting this utter codswallop?
“What you are referring to is called the “Constantinople Agreement” from 1915.”
Again, I doubt it since it sounds like he’s referring to the Russo-Turkish War of 1878, but let’s go on here…
“Essentially it collapsed for various reasons, one of these was Germany’s victory in WW1 in 1917, and the subsequent Bresk-Litovsk treaty.”
Germany was only winning ONE Front of the War in WWI in 1917, the Eastern one. So If you’re talking about its’ defeat of Russia (in part with help from the Bolshevik coup) you’re right. Otherwise you’re wrong.
” Essentially this stipulated that Russia was permitting free voting/self determination for the Poles, Lithuanians, Estonians, Belorussians and Ukranians etc. – **Yes, NATO is now where Germany was in 1917 !!!!** ”
CODSWALLOP.
How do I know this, chowderhead?
For one, NATO never financed and armed an overthrow of the Russian Government. The OHL under Ludendorff, Hindenburg, and Hoffmann did exactly that with Lenin’s “sealed train” and the support he gave elsewhere.
Secondly, the Central Powers gave absolutely ZERO INTEREST to giving anybody in the conquered territories of Brest-Litovsk voting rights. They barely bothered giving them cultural autonomy. Which the Polish Legions under Pilsudski learned the hard way with the farce that was the “Kingdom of Poland”, and why after fighting for three years under Habsburg and German control they preferred to REVOLT, OR BE IMPRISONED rather than declare allegiance to the Kaiser. In contrast to Poland, Estonia, Romania, etc. being their own strong, independent members of NATO.
Oh and finally, there’s the little itsy bitsy fact that the Central Powers of WWI were totalitarian, with the John the Baptist of both National Socialism and Communism- Erich Ludendorff- preaching endless total war as the natural state of society.
In contrast, NATO members remain democratic, even if imperfectly so and even if unduly exposed to subversion by totalitarian forces. Like our friends the Shaddah goons.
“Of course, given the US determination to never ever let a situation of friendship, or mutual, or one sided dominance to develop, between Russia and Germany, the US had to enter the war under any pretext. ”
Again, this is codswallop.
The US not only was not opposed to friendship, mutual, or one sided dominance between Russia and Germany, the US supported exactly such things after WWII, and particularly for the several years after the Cold War when it seemed like Russia might become a free nation. Though the US would certainly have AVID reasons to be suspicious of a Russo-German alliance, both because of its’ power and because of the REALLY SHODDY TRACK RECORD it has been for the world ( mean, let’s see: “Holy Alliance” between Russia-Austria-Russia in the 19th century sent refugees as far afield as the US, the Forty-Eighters; the Central Powers-Bolshevik alliance that helped give birth to the world’s first totalitarian regimes and destabilized Eurasia for a century, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and predecessor support that STARTED WORLD WAR TWO…).
But no, the reason the US entered the war against the Central Powers was very, very simple. The fact that the Central Powers- especially Imperial Germany- had viewed the US as an ideological enemy for decades and during the war had started lashing out against it.
“Refer here to the speech by Freedman of the Stratfor institute -”
I agree, but that is also utterly unsurprising. Most dominant powers try to accomplish the same.
” The Zimmerman telegram and the sinking of the U.S.S. Housatonic were just minor issues. ”
Yeah, because we’re supposed to believe that ACTS OF WAR AGAINST NEUTRAL SHIPPING and TRYING TO GOAD A THIRD PARTY INTO INVADING THE UNITED STATES were “minor issues.”
Do you even believe the nonsense you’ve written, or are you just dishonest?
Notably, this stance was not believed for one iota by the actual contemporary experts in the matter, the German government itself.
“This is the end of negotiations with America, once and for all! If Wilson wants war, let him provoke it and then have it.” – Wilhelm II on the German renunciation of the Sussex Pledge banning Unrestricted Submarine Warfare.
They were absolutely clear that it was German hostile policy towards neutrals in general- and towards the US in particular- that was the root of the US intervention in the war. Not this Eurasianist nonsense.
“Germany’s victory and it’s dominance of the east in conjunction with the willingness of the French and Brits to call it quits and go home,”
Except the British and French weren’t willing to call it quits and go home., after all IN CASE YOU HADN’T FARQING NOTICED, THE FRENCH WERE FIGHTING FOR THEIR HOMES! They had nowhere else to go outside of surrendering like they had in 1871 and dealing with another general occupation of Metropolitan France, only this one promising to be much longer, bloodier, and costlier.
At the absolute most, estimates that Britain and France were about to give up the game were the result of blowing some optimistic signs (like the 1917 French and Italian mutinies) out of proportion, and the belief that hitting them with a general offensive in 1918 would be enough. It was always the product of fairly fuzzy, optimistic thinking among the Central Powers leadership- or worried in the case of Allied powers and the leadership. Treating it as if it were just around the corner and a given thing is nonsense.
“it was that what caused the US to enter the war. (See footnote)”
Again, NO IT WAS NOT.
SEE THE MOTHERFARQING GERMAN KAISER, AS I CITED.
CAN YOU AGREE THAT THE GERMAN KAISER AND HIS GOVERNMENT HAD A GREATER UNDERSTANDING OF WHY THE US ENTERED THE WAR THAN YOU DO?
“As in the second world war, its industry and safe distance would guarantee victory.”
Hardly “guarenteed”, but made it much more likely.
“BTW, if you are unfamiliar with Stratfor, LEARN! I”
I already am familiar with it.
And I am far more familiar with this material than you clearly are.
“Bismarck: Whenever there is friendship between Germany and Russia, all of Europe prospers, whenever there’s enmity between Germany and Russia, all of Europe suffers.”
RIIIIGHT. Totally NOBODY would disagree with that….
Except the Poles, the Lithuanians, the Latvians, the Estonians, the Finns, the Romanians, the Czechs, the Slovaks, the Hungarians…..
Apparently you seem to think Russia’s role as the “Gendarme of Europe” in 1848 resulted in European prosperity, rather than a relapse into autocracy, absolutism, and authoritarianism. Which is what Bismarck wanted (see: absolutist, and what he said about Poles).
Or that the *Farqing Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact* resulted in European prosperity!
“Stalin: The western allies will watch and wait as long as we (the Russians) and the Germans kill each other, and they will help us doing so. When the winner is clear, they move.”
This is blatant, hypocritical projection on Stalin’s part, because that’s exactly the policy the Soviets had.
The Bolsheviks sought to plunge the world into a “Worldwide Conflagration” after WWI, transforming the worldwide national war into a world wide class war. THAT FAILED at places like Warsaw, Daugavplis, and Helsinki, the Soviets were now an isolated, totalitarian, war ravaged rogue state isolated by the Versailles Peace Settlement. So the Bolsheviks sought to undermine the peace by supporting the weaker side of the German-Allied duality.
And they DID it by loyally supporting Germany’s militarists- especially in the Reichswehr- throughout the 1920’s and 1930’s, helping the German military rebuild itself in contravention of the Versailles terms and reconstructing an army that could be used for aggression.
Even the farqing NSDAP coming to power didn’t entirely stop them; Der Fuhrer managed to get a 1935 loan from the Soviets for the SPECIFIC reason of building up the Wehrmacht. Ironically, one reason for the Soviet-German diplomatic breakdown in 1936 was because Stalin offered this regime an EVEN BIGGER LOAN the next year, but Hitler figured he didn’t need it!
So the Bolshevik policy was LITERALLY to build the German Reich back up so they could fight the Western Allies, and THEN try to finish off the weakened survivor while supporting the Axis throughout the first two years, 1939-mid 1941. This of course backfired when the Axis backstabbed the Soviets first.
The irony is that the “Da Western Allies hung back and let the Soviets and Axis fight!” requires ignoring the Motherfarqing Naval War, the Motherfarqing Air War, who was supporting the underground groups in most of Europe, and the commando raids.
And oh yeah, the North African front.
“Unless you have something better to do over the next few days ….. ”
Yeah, I’m pretty sure I’d have a more enlightening time watching Paint Dry.
Jack Diamond says
Who takes Stratfor seriously? George Friedman’s most notable book in the 90s was the “Coming War With Japan”. Still waiting. (Btw Friedman left Stratfor in 2015). Their “intel” emails were often interesting but hardly extraordinary, and when it came to Islam….
Here is Stratfor on the Muslim Brotherhood: “Not only does it oppose violence as a means of achieving its political goals, but it also seeks democracy. Therefore, the Brotherhood is not just difficult to counter; it promotes a political system that is a threat to the monarchical systems of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.” (2014)
Stratfor was always writing off the jihad as a passing phenomenon of no long term importance. Why should that be surprising when Stratfor’s “VP of Middle Eastern and SE Asian Affairs” was Kamran Bokhari, who was previously leader of Al Muhajiroun. He invited Anjem Choudary to speak before the MSA (Muslim Student Association–Muslim Brotherhood) at SW Missouri State University. He wrote about Osama bin Laden being a “freedom fighter” in 1999.
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/6671
from a linked article there:
“One would expect that a company like Stratfor, which bills itself as “one of the world’s leading global intelligence firms” would also have been able to exhibit a modicum of common sense beyond the concept “it takes one to know one ” when they hired self professed ‘post Islamist’ Bokhari. whom CEO Friedman reportedly sees as an asset to the company because of his Islamist background.
Bokhari certainly has impressive credentials in militant Islamist circles from the UK to the US (and perhaps his native Pakistan), but it doesnt take a strategic analyst or subscription to Stratfor to predict the folly inherent in the notion that “Islamists know terrorism best ” could also be extrapolated to find that Bokhari’s fellow Islamists may be getting more information then any of Stratfor’s paid subscribers.
Stratfor’s hiring of an Islamist as intelligence analyst and the company’s heralding of a ‘New Terrorism Intelligence Service’ is a cross between farce and gallows humour , given that their ‘in house’ “geo political analyst” for the Middle East and South Asia , is none other then Kamran Bokhari, North American spokesman for Al Muhajiroun. the group which celebrated 9/11 as “A Towering Day in History” and had a picture of the Capital building in flames on their website. Al Muhajiroun is and both of it’s founders Omar Bakri Mohammed and the now jailed Abu Hamza Al Masri are directly linked to Bin Laden and Al Qaeda .
Former SMSU student Kamran Bokhari (and SMSU professor of Arabic history, Ahmed Ibrahim, who translated for Omar Abdel Rahman when he was in the Federal penitentary in Springfield in 1996, were among the founding members of the Islamic Center of Springfield Missouri, which is presently under investigation for ties to Al Haramain and Al Qaeda funding.
Besides the label of an “insult to your intelligence” report coming to mind,one wonders how Stratfor’s accessment of any terror threat could be credible if one of their own consultants has personal and political ties to the very people who are posing the threats themselves.”
But, come to think of it, maybe goofy Stratfor has been driving American foreign policy. It’s as good an explanation as anything else.
DFD says
@ Turtler
Where do I get all this from? Links are given, starts with wikipedia! Click on it, gets you right to the thing that you seem to scream about not to exist. That is the “Constantinople Agreement”
Other links are American and A.J.P. Taylor is ONE of THE NOTED historians.
Seems as if its you, who is SCREAMING, talking codswallop. Read the treaty of Bresk Litovsk! Stratfor, go to their website. Their lecture from 2015 is also on youtube and their website.
Practically all of these are American sources since most readers here are American. Maps descriptions etc with emmerson kent are:
****“Courtesy of the United States Military Academy Department of History”***
——————————————————————————————————-
Go and “lecture” or badmouth and screech to them…. I am sure they look forward to be educated by you.
All you seem to be able to do is screaming and badmouthing! ZERO SUBSTANCE in your writing, and zero in referencing!
You say you’d rather enjoy watching paint dry? I have no doubt that’s suitable for you, or at least, it shows your level of understanding. Good bye!
PS: Once you learned to express yourself coherently, you can talk to me – maybe.
DFD says
@ Jack Diamond
“….Who takes Stratfor seriously?…” Unfortunately a lot of very powerful people.
“George Friedman’s most notable book in the 90s was the “Coming War With Japan”. Still waiting…” Etc.
Your both, right and wrong. Consider this, he not only spoke about Japan, but also Poland, and Turkey. With Turkey he is spot on, Japan and Poland? Rising powers, though for different reasons, each, but nevertheless. The Japanese are now thinking of going nuclear…
His, and stratfor’s takings on Islam, Muslim Brotherhood, etc. You are right! But think: How many government or NGOs in the **entire** west are downplaying or outright misrepresenting Islam? (And for what reason I wonder?) Incidentally, ‘glad you talk about ‘Muhajiroun’ when most people, even on websites such as this, use the term ‘refugees’ whilst they are indeed Muhajiroun.
Further, and may I quote you: “…He wrote about Osama bin Laden being a “freedom fighter” in 1999….” Its kind of a sick ‘fun’ if or when you think about it, Osama Bin Laden was actually supposed to be a freedom fighter – he was trained as a CIA operative and, for a while, really was one. Oh Brother!
Let me jump to the end of your reply:
“…Besides the label of an “insult to your intelligence” report coming to mind,one wonders how Stratfor’s accessment of any terror threat could be credible if one of their own consultants has personal and political ties to the very people who are posing the threats themselves.”
But, come to think of it, maybe goofy Stratfor has been driving American foreign policy. It’s as good an explanation as anything else.”
Let me state: I never said that stratfor is accurate or trustworthy, but they do have an **extraordinary** amount of influence, massively so. American presidents, other heads of state, Kissinger…. I dare to venture and/or to state that stratfor has more influence than a few of Soros’ NGOs.
Yes, as good an explanation as anything else, or better still, they are part of it.
DFD says
@Turtler
re your reply to Pet Charles:
Turtler, do have any idea what you are talking about, in what connection, and in what time frame? Without effort, your’s are the weirdest postings I have seen for a long time.
Turtler says
@DFD
“Where do I get all this from? Links are given, starts with wikipedia! ”
Only PARTIALLY.
You notably DO NOT, WHATSOEVER get any references for your claims that NATO today is what the German Empire was.
Or that Britain and France were on the verge of giving up the war in 1917 before US entry.
Or that US paranoia about a Russo-German alliance was the real reason why the US entered the war in 1917 and that the Zimmerman Telegram and the resumption of Unrestricted Submarine Warfare were “excuses.”
In reality, you provide VERY LITTLE referencing for most of your claims.
And much of the referencing you DO provide is utterly inadequate.
Protip: Wikipedia is not a trustworthy source. Or have you not noticed the sorts of smears it allows against anti-Jihadists?
Other protip: Using STUDENT PAPERS is hardly a demonstration of grand rigor.
So please, don’t try and act like you were the systematic scholar who footnoted everything you asserted with references to a dozen primary sources. You Did Not.
“Click on it,”
Oh, and on that front:
YOU CAN’T.
YOUR LINKS DO NOT WORK.
YOU CLICK ON THEM, AND NOTHING HAPPENS.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?
And you can’t even simply copy/paste the results and plug them in, because large parts of the URL are mangled.
So I would have to reverse engineer the full link by GUESSING the http, www. and so forth and then plugging it in.
But I guess you didn’t even bother double checking that, did you?
gets you right to the thing that you seem to scream about not to exist. That is the “Constantinople Agreement””
Try reading, chowderhead.
I never denied the Constantinople Agreement was a Thing. It was one of several secret agreements between the UK and France on one hand and other powers, like Russia, Italy (Treaty of London), Greece, and Romania. Most of which were only partially enforced.
What I DID ABSOLUTELY DENY was most of your other claims.
That the US only entered the war out of fear of Russo-German alliances.
That Russo-German Alliances have met prosperity and peace for Europe as a whole.
That NATO was equivalent to the German Empire.
That Stalin was right and the Western Allies were hoping for the Germans and Soviets to kill each other off and otherwise “holding back.”
And so forth.
“Other links are American and A.J.P. Taylor is ONE of THE NOTED historians.”
Again, the other links don’t work.
And secondly: shouting that they are an EMINENT HISTORIAN is ultimately a dodge, appealing to authority.
Even eminent historians can and do farq up. AJP Taylor is not a more eminent historian than Hugh Trevor Roper, and the latter was taken in by the Hitler Diaries fraud.
So what ultimately matters is not how eminent the historian making a claim is. It’s what claims they make and whether or not those are accurate.
And that’s the problem. Most of your claims Aren’t Accurate.
The idea that Stalin was right and the Western Allies were waiting patiently for the Soviet-Axis blood match to play out is utterly contradicted by the
“Seems as if its you, who is SCREAMING, talking codswallop. ”
Says the person who cannot refute a single thing I said.
Including the words of the German Kaiser himself pointing out that he expected (And almost welcomed) American entry to the war as a result of unrestricted submarine warfare.
“Read the treaty of Bresk Litovsk!”
I already have, chowderhead.
I’ve been studying these subjects for over two decades and wargaming matters related to them for a decade and a half.
The fact that the Central Powers first used the Bolsheviks to overthrow the Provisional Republic and then BEAT the Bolsheviks into conceding to the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk is something I am INTIMATELY aware of.
THE PROBLEM YOU RUN IN TO IS A VERY BASIC FACT:
THE AMERICAN DECLARATION OF WAR WAS ON APRIL *6TH*, 1917.
(Copy/Paste the addresses and Remove the Spaces.)
ht tp :// http://www.firstworldwar. com/source/usofficialawardeclaration. htm
BREST-LITOVSK WAS SIGNED ON MARCH 3rd, *1918*. Almost a FULL YEAR AFTER.
ht tp :// w ww.firstworldwar.co m/source/brestlitovsk.h tm
And furthermore, the October Coup by Lenin and co was done on NOVEMBER 7TH, 1917.
htt ps :// w ww.nationalgeographic. co m/archaeology-and-history/magazine/2017/09-10/russian-revolution-history-lenin/
Something that happened in 1918 COULD NOT POSSIBLY have caused something that happened in 1917.
Chronological Time. Do you Understand It?
Do I have to explain to you that 1918 happened after 1917?
When the US entered the war in April 1917, Russia was under the Provisional Republic, a Democratic, Allied Government that was weakened by instability from within but still committed to fighting the Central Powers.
As such, the United States entry into the war WAS NEVER caused by Brest-Litovsk or fear of a Bolshevik Russian government’s pro-German orientation, because those things only began to exist AFTER The US already entered the war.
The reasons for the US entry into war were quite simply those that were around in April 6th. The long, LONG history of German attacks against neutral shipping and diplomatic perfidy against the US, culminating in the revocation of the Sussex Pledge by the OHL.
” Stratfor, go to their website. Their lecture from 2015 is also on youtube and their website.”
I’ll consider, but that would require me doing some digging given how worthless your links have been.
And again, I don’t NEED to in order to refute many of your core points.
That the US entered WWI over fear of German-Russian rapproachment (such a thing DID NOT EXIST at the time the US entered the war months before Lenin took power).
That NATO is equivalent to the Second Reich (Democratic self-defense alliance versus totalitarian, expansionist, and aggressive Neo-Absolutist Empire).
That the Western Allies hung back and let Stalin and Hitler fight each other (nevermind how the Western Allies were fighting Hitler for two years before Hitler backstabbed his oil sugardaddy Stalin.
Or how the Western Allies agreed to a “Europe First” policy rather than focusing on Japan).
That an alliance between Germany and Russia has- as Bismark said- resulted in prosperity throughout Europe (nevermind the nature of said regimes, or how when both regimes were authoritarian- as they were under Bismarck and the Tsar- or Totalitarian- as under Hitler and Stalin- the result was repression, ethnic discrimination, and state sponsored murder).
And so forth.
“Go and “lecture” or badmouth and screech to them…. I am sure they look forward to be educated by you.”
I will if I can find the time.
But I’m a regular of Jihad Watch, and they’re not here. Neither are convenient ways to get to them.
You are.
“All you seem to be able to do is screaming and badmouthing!”
Pot Kettle Black.
” ZERO SUBSTANCE in your writing, ”
I’m the only one who provided a primary source quote from one of the chief leaders, Kaiser Wilhelm II, as provided by one of the seminal works on WWI, Fischer’s “Germany’s Aims in the First World War.”
I’m the one who had the presence of mind to reference everything from the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact (which notably DID NOT bring prosperity to Europe) to the Revolutions of 1848, including the Russian interventions in Hungary and Moldavia and threats to intervene in Schleswig-Holstein and elsewhere. Hence the reference to “The Gendarme of Europe.”
I’m not interested in being lectured on Substance by a hack who can’t even debate.
“and zero in referencing!”
Firstly: this is false.
My quote is a direct, translated one by Kaiser Wilhelm II. You could handily copy/paste and search for the source easily. MUCH More easily than one could search for your own links, and equally as much as one could search for your Taylor quote.
Secondly: I further remedied this by direct links to the texts (including dates) of the US Declaration of War in 1917 and the Brest-Litovsk Treaty, and can continue.
And most importantly: this is irrelevant.
What matters is not how illustrious your source is, but the substance of their claims.
Put simply: the truth is the truth is the truth. It is the truth if said from the mouth of a liar, just like falsehood is still falsehood if spoken by a distinguished historian.
You can’t argue against the substance. You have to resort to “LOOK WHAT THIS LECTURE SAYS!”
What that lecture says is less important than what the primary sources say.
And the primary sources tell us in no uncertain terms that the US Declared war on Germany on April 6th, 1917, months before Russia fell to a German-backed Coup.
“You say you’d rather enjoy watching paint dry? I have no doubt that’s suitable for you, or at least, it shows your level of understanding. Good bye!”
Again, chowderhead:
I’m not the one who was trying to claim that the US Declaration of War- on April 6th, 1917- and the references to German attacks on neutral shipping were a smokescreen for US fears of a German-Bolshevik entente……. in spite of the Bolsheviks not being the government until November 1917.
Insult my “level of understanding” as you will, but my understanding is solid enough to not be vulnerable to A Calender..
“PS: Once you learned to express yourself coherently, you can talk to me – maybe.”
I can talk to you now, chowderhead.
Whether or not you care to listen is another thing.
“Turtler, do have any idea what you are talking about, in what connection, and in what time frame?”
YES, Intimately.
In fact, I am a dedicated history nerd, and the century or so before 1959- and particularly the world wars- is probably my “sweet spot.” I can safely say that I am INTIMATELY knowledgeable about this period of history and the time frame.
Which is why I know the US Declared war on Germany on April 6th, 1917, while the Bolsheviks seized power in Russia in November 1917 (October in the Julian Calender).
And why I am also well aware of the states of all the major combatants in 1917. And hence why Britain and France were not on the verge of giving up and “going home” (which would be particularly ludicrous in the case of France because- AGAIN- the Germans were OCCUPYING LARGE PARTS OF THEIR HOME.)
“Without effort, your’s”
Firstly chowderhead: the correct wording would be “yours”, not “your’s”. Learn English.
And secondly: I did not refute your points in detail, one by one, in order to hear some copy/paste artist telling me my points are “without effort.”
” are the weirdest postings I have seen for a long time.”
They’re nowhere near as weird as someone UNCRITICALLY ACCEPTING this:
“Bismarck: Whenever there is friendship between Germany and Russia, all of Europe prospers, whenever there’s enmity between Germany and Russia, all of Europe suffers.”
Nevermind…
https ://upload.wikimedia. org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Ribbentrop-Molotov. svg/2000px-Ribbentrop-Molotov. svg. png
And (lest one argue that Molotov-Ribbentrop is unfair because it happened after Bismarck’s death and so he couldn’t have known)..
https ://imrussia .org/en/nation/647-nicholas-i-and-1848
gravenimage says
Turtler, there is not reason to be so rude to DFD.
Turtler says
@gravenimage “Turtler, there is not reason to be so rude to DFD.”
Yeah, there is.
I dislike the intellectually lazy and dishonest, and one HAS to be that in order to claim that the US entered WWI because of Brest-Litovsk (which he is happy to hint at with the map links and references even if he doesn’t say it outright).
And it is in insultingly bad taste to uncritically ape Stalin’s claim that the Western Allies were looking forward to letting the Axis and Soviets bleed each other out (after Stalin had come up with that exact plan viz the Axis and the West and happily supported different sides- mostly the Axis- during the first two years of the war) and Bismark’s claim that a German-Russian partnership meant prosperity for all of Europe while ignoring what happened to other countries in the Biedmeyer.
And I particularly dislike being condescended to by someone who can’t even make sure their linear chronology works.
Turtler says
@Pet Charles
“They succeeded with Constantinople because the UK and France stopped the Russians from taking it back after the fall of the Ottoman Empire around World War I.”
Something tells me you’re thinking of the Russo-Turkish war of 1877-1878, sparked over Balkan revolts in 1876, where the Russians defeated the Turks, liberated Bulgaria, Romania, Bosnia, and elsewhere, and as in the suburbs of Constantinople (San Stefano specifically) when the Royal Navy sent envoys to tell the Russians to stop their advance into the capitol or be opened fire.
The problem with this is severalfold. For one, the cleansing of Constantinople was already WELL underway at the time. And secondly, the Ottomans at least (dishonestly) promised to respect the rights of their ethnic and religious minorities at the time. The Russians did no such thing and that is why the advance of the Russian Army- no matter how joyous or relief worthy- was also accompanied by mass murderers against ethnic Turks.
And finally, there was the little itsy bitsy fact that France and Britain had plenty to fear from Russian expansions.
“The UK and France are two of the most two faced nations on the planet.”
Not compared to Turkey r Russia, both then and now.
Julius Legatus says
UK is already a de facto Islamic nation. There is no resistance from the supine populace and it will take a lot more than a gallant Tommy Robinson at Speaker’s Corner. The HM Govt “authorities” will crush any and all opposition now as the write states so clearly. The round ups are on the way from information I’m receiving.
We warned of this 20 years ago and were laughed at and in some places still are. A lot of folk still don’t “get it”. They wish for and desire an Islamic Britain. Our “elite” have always done this.
The “elite” are enemies of the People and sold us out at every opportunity. They left the RN depleted at the start of the Napoleonic period, would have sold us out to Hilter had it not been for Churchill and started a totally unnecessary Great War with Germany in 1914, that was the start of our decline. We are run by Fabian Jacobins still orgasming over a Britain lashed to a Continent with a totalitarian outlook. The “Jacobins” finally won.
Britain and the British are on their way out of history. I am 65 with cancer Thank God. Too painful to watch any more. I am glad I am on my way to a hopefully better existence than this hell-hole these traitors have created.
Nancy Mc Gill says
So sorry, to hear this. Don’ t give up on your faith. Its all you have got. No matter what goes on down here on earth. The soul must continue on the journey despite all setbacks from evil . We will prevail. It only seems like the enemy is winning. But, I can assure they are not.!!+
DFD says
@ Julius Legatus
“…UK is already a de facto Islamic nation…” There is however unrest, brooding in the populace. But people are afraid to speak out, same in Germany, fear of reprisals.
You say: “… started a totally unnecessary Great War with Germany in 1914, that was the start of our decline. We are run by Fabian Jacobins still orgasming over a Britain lashed to a Continent with a totalitarian outlook…”
Somebody, YOU, who knows about the Fabians! Rare, very rare. They are currently running Britain, and through the school (which is partially their creation, though mostly that of the Comintern under Trotsky/Lenin). You are right about that, but they haven’t won yet!
Consider the symbols of these people, the wolf in sheep’s clothing and the TURTLE, motto, when I strike I strike hard. True, but have you noticed that non of their strikes has any substance? They badmouth, they belittle, they deceive day-in & day-out, but they have no substance. And people are waking up to that. The fight is not over yet.
You conclude with: “…Britain and the British are on their way out of history. I am 65 with cancer Thank God. Too painful to watch any more. I am glad I am on my way to a hopefully better existence than this hell-hole these traitors have created.”
My friend, I am sad to hear that. Nevertheless, I wish you well. What you said or wrote, I printed and will show to others.
God Bless!
PS: About the Fabians, did you know that Blair is one of the current heads?
DFD says
PPS: The third paragraph came out wrong, cutting and pasting error. It should have read:
—– Somebody, YOU, who knows about the Fabians! Rare, very rare. They are currently running Britain, You are right about that. And they are running through the school (which is partially their creation, though mostly that of the Comintern under Trotsky/Lenin) a large chunk of the west. But believe me, the turtles haven’t won yet! —-
Sorry about that.
gravenimage says
Julius Legatus wrote:
UK is already a de facto Islamic nation. There is no resistance from the supine populace and it will take a lot more than a gallant Tommy Robinson at Speaker’s Corner. The HM Govt “authorities” will crush any and all opposition now as the write states so clearly. The round ups are on the way from information I’m receiving.
………………………..
No, the UK is not a de facto Islamic nation–not yet. It will be, though, if people who oppose this surrender as you are counseling.
More:
We warned of this 20 years ago and were laughed at and in some places still are. A lot of folk still don’t “get it”. They wish for and desire an Islamic Britain. Our “elite” have always done this.
………………………..
No, most Britons have no desire for an Islamic Britain. Most of them are still in denial about this being a threat. There were those who warned abot the threat of Fascism for almost twenty years before they were taken seriously. We can do no less.
More:
Britain and the British are on their way out of history. I am 65 with cancer Thank God. Too painful to watch any more. I am glad I am on my way to a hopefully better existence than this hell-hole these traitors have created.
………………………..
I am very sorry to hear that you have cancer. But I hope this has not led you to surrender. Islamization *can* be fought.
I hope you recover–and, especially, I hope you recover the will to stand up and defend your values.
Mirit says
What is it? It is Jihad. It is the very definition of Jihad.
Save Europe says
Well let’s face it, they’re a pestilence.
Wellington says
Let’s hope for the civilization, Western Civilization, that pioneered freedom as no other civilization or society remotely has, that this turkey from Turkey has counted his chickens before they’re hatched, because where the predominance of liberty or Islam are concerned it can only be one or the other, NEVER both at the same time.
I hate Islam (as I hate Nazism and Marxism). No one who cherishes freedom can do otherwise. No one.
LeftisruiningCanada says
+1
He shouldn’t put all his eggs in the one European basket that’s for sure, this cocky strutting Turkey rooster. His spurs need clipping. He might think he’s lord of the henhouse, but he’ll end up henpecked and ousted by a bigger bird.
If they do manage to completely islamize Europe, they’ll be killing the golden welfare/jizya goose by breaking too many eggs to make the omelette which will result in everybody, appropriately enough, running around like headless farmyard avians.
gravenimage says
Hear, hear, Wellington!
Westman says
I believe Europe(conditionally) may not become Muslim and here is why:
Europe is only weakly Christian because (in Europe) most of the middle-ages material expectations of the next life have largely been met in this one. Science, rightly or wrongly, has also weakened belief in the supernatural, biblical timeline, and a hereafter. As a result, Christian believers have drifted away from organized Christian religion and a majority of their offspring are not believers. This has only taken 2 generations since WWII.
Because of the penalty for apostasy and Muslim community pressure upon the deviant, it might take 3 generations before European Islam suffers the same fate for the same reasons.
This possibility relies on Europe remaining wealthy, the absence of war in “old” Europe, and Muslims limiting their “forbidding” to the rest of European society.
Should such a scenario come to pass, the chaos in the first generation will be exremely disruptive to Europe and largely unemployable. By the third generation more would integrate into society and those that cannot or will not would form ghettos.
This is, of course, supposition for an unknown future. That Europe will be Muslim is also a doubtful (Muslim) supposition and relies completely on a passive Europe that will not respond to Islam with civil war.
Wellington says
A sophisticated assessment, Westman, one I largely if not wholly agree with. Like you I am not religious, but some religions (examples being Judaism and Christianity) developed a greater ethical sense of things than Islam did (for me due to probability and exigent factors and not because of any divine intervention) and hopefully this in and of itself will prove prevailing for most everyone in the West in the long run, even by those who are not religious at all.
More to the point, while I think all religions fairy tales, Islam is such an horrendous fairy tale (especially for freedom’s sake) and is replete with more than the usual amount of insupportable contradictions (e.g. the whole abrogation nonsense as found in the Koran) so that, exposed as it is in the present age as it has never been exposed before, it will wither on the vine more than any other major religion in history (though before such Islam will not go quietly and thus, sadly, much more blood will be spilled for the aggregate nonsense which is the Islamic faith). Sure hope so because Islam is rotten to the core and no other major faith is.
Julius Legatus says
There is the chance that it will go away like the Assyrian did due to its innate cruelty and arrogance. They have a habit of “Jumping the gun” and it has cost them dear in the past when we British ruled them. Nt klate grandfather told me about them from his days in the Raj.
“They came screaming at us in their hordes! Fearful it was…Fearful! But we held the line every time!”
He said finally “They die fir Allah in their thousands and all fir what?. We won every time and it was almost sad!”
Julius Legatus says
Corrections
There is the chance that it will go away like the Assyrian did due to its innate cruelty and arrogance. They have a habit of “Jumping the gun” and it has cost them dear in the past when we British ruled them. My late Great Grandfather told me about them from his days in the Raj. (He died in 1970).
“They came screaming at us in their hordes! Fearful it was…Fearful! But we held the line every time!”
He said finally “They die for Allah in their thousands and all for what?. We won every time and it was almost sad!”
LeftisruiningCanada says
I hope you are generally right guys, but i sure see a lot of very devout and angry muslims in the UK whose parents were born there. What say you to the possibility of the increased expansion of muslim dominated/muslim only districts? Are numerous ‘mini Gazas’ on the horizon?
The west may remain wealthy, maybe, but will islamic hatred of everything the West stands for, including a free market system, weaken because of it? Christianity in Europe wasn’t being funded and radicalized by outside forces. There was no Christian ‘Saudi Arabia” or Pakistan.
Wellington says
Good question, LIRC. Well, to invoke the old line, sunlight is the best disinfectant. Shine as much sunlight on Islam as possible. The more sunlight in this regard, the more Islam will collapse I predict.
Yes, the same can be done to other religions, and this should happen (actually too much, IMHO, on Christianity which has had to answer ad nauseam for sins that dwarf the sins of Islam), but so far Islam has been protected by PC/MC from any valid and thorough investigation. Time for this to end. Way overdue in fact. And hopefully if (when?) this occurs, many Muslims (and especially female Muslims) will leave their faith, though I know full well this carries danger with it, but this fact in and of itself stands as a condemnation of the worst major religion of all time, now doesn’t it?
Fluid times ahead. No doubt. Which way the times will go is still indeed in doubt.
For freedom’s sake, and other good things like equality under the law, a true Golden Rule for all, women’s rights, music (haram of course in Muslimthink; let’s face it, Islamic musical theatre is a pretty thin repertoire), alcohol (haram too and this is just effing stupid on Islam’s part and a real personal affront to yours truly), romantic love (completely absent in Islam and thus the animosity to such a thing as Valentine’s Day), and general happiness (“There is no fun in Islam”), I do hope the West will finally wake up and realize that, to the extent that Islam gets its way in the West, precisely to this extent do most all the great things that the West accomplished remain in tremendous jeopardy. No doubt.
In short, Islam sucks and is a mortal enemy of Western Civilization. This assessment must be pushed again and again and again. For truth’s sake. For Western Civilization’s sake. For freedom’s sake.
LeftisruiningCanada says
True enough. A good hot bake under the bright midday sun can cure many ills. Even the dreaded bedbug, which presses itself into every nook, crease and cranny.
The often cited, and certainly no less true for the wear and tear, “to find out who is in control, find out who you may not criticize” may have a partner in “to find out what those in control fear most, find out what they most seek to restrict”.
Free Speech (Or “Freeze Peach” in our famous fruit growing region of the Interior of B.C) in this case is surely near the top of the list.
Firearms in the hands of Freemen being up there too of course.
Down with islam. Up with Freedom. And free beer. Cheers.
gravenimage says
Westman–with all respect–I don’t see Islam just drifting away, certainly not any time soon. Its savage aggression and the penalty for apostasy is bound to counter that.
Westman says
Definitely not soon. I was estimating 3 generations IF peace and prosperity continued. Now after reading that May’s UK government is stupidly giving up everything to the EU – fishing rights, mandatory immigration, payouts to the EU without representation, etc – I expect that civil war will begin in England if not war between England and the EU, in my lifetime.
The elites of England and the EU are now as out of touch with the citizens as they were during the rule of kings. The new economic feudal system has addled their brains into thinking they can be The Masters Of The Universe.
andra says
I do not see that your thesis will work. The invading Muslims in Europe have already been here for three generations. With the second generation many native Europeans believed that assimilation would begin, but the third generation is full of hatred against Europeans, their culture, their languages and their religion. As long as more and more Muslims invade from Africa and Asia Islam in Europe will become worse and worse.
Don´t get me wrong. I still believe in us Europeans to stand thru this and get rid of Islam again. But first of all we have to stop immigration of more Muslims and then start repatriation. Islam will not change, no matter how it calls itself. The European Islam today is dangerous for all other people living here.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Islam is a totalitarian ideology, we know what that means. As long as totalitarian ideologies have not been stamp out, there will be no peace in Europe and even in the world.
gravenimage says
I’m afraid I agree with Andra, Westman. In fact, subsequent generations of Muslims have overall been even worse than their parents.
Some Muslims *are* leaving Islamin Europe–more than are converting to it–and I applaud this.
The numbers are still small, though, and much outnumbered by the flood of Muslims into Europe, and the high breeding rates of those already there.
Savvy Kafir says
I agree. If there is a potential for apostasy en masse among European Muslims, if will be a case of too little, too late, to prevent Europe from reaching a point of no return. And the trend seems to be towards increased piousness among European Muslims, rather than apostasy. In Europe, many second-generation Muslims are more devout & uppity than their immigrant parents.
We cannot rely upon apostasy, or an Islamic reformation, to save us. The only practical, workable solution is to eject Islam from the West (entirely) and contain it within Muslim-majority countries. That should be our focus, if our priority is saving the civilized world.
6woods says
I so wish you were right, Westman, but I’m afraid it’s wishful thinking. My grandparents’ homeland of Germany just gave Merkel another term; a first cousin in Sweden doesn’t acknowledge a problem. As has been noted on this site so many times, the enduring of rape and murder, and myriad other atrocities committed by “the refugees” takes a backseat to being called, god forbid, a racist. Decades of brainwashing, of being taught that all cultures are equal (Islam being more equal than others) cannot be easily overcome.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Muslims are not a race.
gravenimage says
No–but all too many pretend that it is.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“… European Islam suffers the same fate for the same reasons.”
You are ignoring 1400 years of Mohammadan history. This has never happened in the past and I don’t expect to ever happen. You are taking a process that has happened to Christianity – the affluence that comes from it eventually dissolves its potency over time – to Mohammadism. They are two different belief systems that cannot be likened in this way.
Niemoller says
Time to play catch the quisling EU politicians, try, then hang ’em high. A new Nuremburg trial for the EU-nazis. Put it on the Internet, patriots hold it online, even with fake dummies in the cages until the real ones are apprehended.
People have an obligation to defend themselves from these politicians. Treason and ethnic cleansing are crimes.
EU quisling politicians declared war against cultural Europeans. There is no plausible denial. They boasted of it. They took Islamoterrorist petrodollars, and continue doing so.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html
gravenimage says
What crap. Just vote in better politicians.
6woods says
“Just vote in better politicians. ” l agree in principle, obviously. But who decides who the “better politicians” are? The electorate, naturally….but today’s electorate has been brought up on cultural relativism, no moral absolutes, and, for people of European ancestry, the deathly fear of being called racist.
LeftisruiningCanada says
It’s an uphill battle for sure. Voting for ‘better’ here in Canada…..well, we know what happened.
“Better” was obviously judged to mean “Shinier”, “More Vacuous”, “Smokes More Weed” and “Uses “Ah” more than Tony Blair”.
Is there any possible way that today’s college students are going to think otherwise?
Anne Smith says
Very true. UKIP offered a real alternative in UK but most people were scared stiff of being thought “racist” to vote for them.
The MSM, afraid to lose their cosy consensus with the established ruling parties, smeared UKIP mightily with the “racist ” tag until even sensible people were afraid to vote for them.
Even so, UKIP garnered about 4 million votes but not one single seat in Parliament. Something wrong somewhere. The Government preaches that Putin fixes elections but I am not so sure he is the only one.
Niemoller says
The traitor politicians (Merkel, Blair, Cameron, Juncker, Macron, Hollande, etc) stuffed the ballot box with migrant enemies they sold citizenship to. They rigged the vote, then censored and demonized any remaining dissent.
As the ex-Bishop of Baghdad warned the West about Islam, the West will have to methodically compromise its liberal ideals to save civilization from this medieval scourge. There is nothing wrong with that. It’s called a contingency in risk management. Being spotlessly naive to the end is no virtue.
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/iraqi-bishop-warns-that-west-will-suffer-from-islamism-19159
Niemoller says
Iraqi Archbishop Nona appealed to western media to “try to understand us.”
“Your liberal and democratic principles are worth nothing here. You must consider again our reality in the Middle East, because you are welcoming in your countries an ever growing number of Muslims. Also you are in danger. You must take strong and courageous decisions, even at the cost of contradicting your principles.”
“You think all men are equal, but that is not true: Islam does not say that all men are equal. Your values are not their values.”
“If you do not understand this soon enough, you will become the victims of the enemy you have welcomed in your home.”
Japetto Danatelli says
… But there is no remedy for it. Europe will be Muslim. We will be effective there, Allah willing. I am sure of that.”
On the contrary, there is a remedy for it, but only after the people of Europe elect politicians who are willing to enact effective policies against the islamization of their nations. Like severely curtailing immigration from muslim countries, deporting the criminals, and enact new laws that safeguard free speech and equality against sharia encroachment. Ensure that islam’s religious filth remains an education not indoctrination in our schools. Set up a program that provides aid to those muslims that want to return to their home country, it would be cheaper in the long run if they promise never to return. Trim the welfare jizya, stop paying muslim daddy’s tons of welfare to have multiple “wives” and babies. And no more turning a blind eye to criminal muslim rape; instead prosecute, imprison or deport. No more free speech harassment (sharia enforcement) against us for merely speaking the truth about the violence in islam or the ill effects of their enclaves and lack of assimilation. Neutralize the hate and violence in those enclaves with a strong military presence if necessary, repatriate that lost territory and make it safe again. Each nation should start their own patriotic revival via government sponsored programs and grass roots organizations. Instead of committing national suicide for islam they must assert a love and respect for their own heritage and culture. We must stop hating ourselves. Right now Europe is acting like a bunch of self-loathing dhimmis, they couldn’t be any more grovelling for islam’s cultural and religious hatred for our way of life.
There’s nothing bigoted in what I said there. I simply want to reduce the threat that islam brings with its violent, supremacist agenda. I want to preserve our Judeo-Christian heritage and the humanitarianism it helped create, and I want to ensure the continued existence of our fundamental freedoms and values, like free speech, religious freedom, and equality. Islam is opposed to these things unto murder, their god commands it. I know I’m on the right side of this issue. Our constitutional ideals and rule of law in America will always be superior in my mind to the inherently unfair and violent teachings of islam. It’s not about race, it’s about religious supremacy vs. freedom. I choose freedom over religious tyranny, and I thank the starry heavens that I have the good sense to do so.
(Wow, I’m getting more long-winded with every post, lol)
mummymovie says
There is nothing bigoted at all in what you have posted.
In addition to your suggestions, I would like to add that intensive support networking programs also should be set up to help muslims born in our lands leave the slavery and oppression of islam if they want, which I think many would choose were it not for the omnipresent threat of the apostate death sentence. And the same should go for new arrivals desiring to do so.
I’ll say it: islam spawns inferior culture wherever it goes. And people should be allowed to drop it like a sack of bricks.
The West needs real leadership.
Japetto Danatelli says
Oh, yes, thanks for that, mummy. That is so important, we must help muslims who want to leave islam. We are not truly free if their lives are in danger for religion. If everything else were fixed wonderfully but muslims still had to live in fear for their apostasy then we have failed in our mission. You were thinking broader than I was, our humanitarianism must include muslims who want to be free of that vile, supremacist nonsense called islam.
gravenimage says
Hear, hear, Japetto and mummymovie!
boakai ngombu says
+1
andra says
I am afraid this is wishful thinking.
1. Muslims who want to leave Islam.
The second generation of Muslims in Europe (ca. in the 80-90ies) would have had the chance to do so. They were not forced to demand mosques, they were not forced to demand for Imams from Turkey and Saudia Arabia. But they wanted it. They rather took the money for forcing their daughters under the veil than standing up for a peaceful European way of Islam.
At least here in Germany there are hundreds of offers – on taxpayers´costs – to get out of radical Islam, the women shelters are packed with Muslim women who still stick to their Islam.
No, Islam tells every Muslim that he/she is better than anyone else on earth. Islam tells them that all others must be submissive to them. Why on earth should they leave this ?
2. Programs for those who want to go home and Promise not to come back.
Germany has such Kind of program for Albania. Each spring the Albanish welfare-tourists leave with several thousand Euros to spend an easy summer in their homes in Albania. And each fall they come back under another Name to a new town and spend the winter on German welfare. No thanks.
In my opinion Europe needs to end Muslim Invasion. We need to send them back to their islamic countries, just as Africa sent back the colonists. There is no sense in wasting even more money in any “help project” to make Islam peaceful, it won´t work. And the longer we believe in these projects the more dangerous Europe becomes and the more difficult it will become to stop the Muslim take-over.
Niemoller says
These islamofascist murderers and rapists prattle on about old Western colonialism and orientalism. Islamist are the biggest ethnic cleansers and colonizers in history. Don’t pay heed to their mendacious aggressive mimicry, they are predators. Their brother from another perversion, the nazis, used the same victim ploy.
gravenimage says
Exactly, Niemoller.
Niemoller says
Thanks, gravenimage, I like your reply better than the last one, lol. Your other comments are (almost) always spot on.
gravenimage says
🙂
LeftisruiningCanada says
“So, people coming from outside get the jobs there.”
Not the ones coming from muslim countries, if the stats we see on JW are anything to go by.
“But Europe has this problem. All of the newcomers are Muslim”
Couldn’t agree more.
Niemoller says
Muslims don’t love Islam, they are hostages who want others to suffer with them. Hunt and jail the imam enforcers who are the only profiteers of Islamic tyranny. They enforce a fraud with no foundation, hollow and hellish.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Sûrely Europe and other parts of the West Will be muslim with or without mass migration. thé concocted lies against islam by Christian evangelist liars are no longer popular there. The idiot terrorist groups sponsored to scare people from islam are now vanishing. Intensive intellectual discourse to discover the truth about islam has been going on.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Your last sentence is correct, and that is why all the previous sentences are incorrect.
Wellington says
+1
gravenimage says
Great post, LeftisruiningCanada.
Karen says
Vanishing? Jihad never vanishes. The next outrage of Jihad violence is just around the corner, no doubt.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Precisely the reason for the Israelis inventing a rifle that goes around corners.
https://youtu.be/9Ri8w3uKNmg?t=130
Karen says
Brilliant!!!
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
karen, true jihad is to liberate people from oppression and It Will end when prophet Isa descends and has defeated the Dujjal (leader of oppressors) and end pagan mithraist christianity, Idol worships and the Satan Who inspired them arrested and confined.
boakai ngombu says
itace, the battle has already been won by the God/Man whom you despise, for you do not hear and still do not know, for your very soul is dead
LeftisruiningCanada says
Your concept of ‘oppression’ is so perverted that you believe following the religion of a child raping head chopping tyrant is liberation.
But, since you have made yourself without doubt the least credible poster on this website, who cares what you think?
Carry on Ibrahim, your every post is a win for counter-jihad freedom lovers everywhere.
gravenimage says
The appalling Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
karen, true jihad is to liberate people from oppression and It Will end when prophet Isa descends and has defeated the Dujjal (leader of oppressors) and end pagan mithraist christianity, Idol worships and the Satan Who inspired them arrested and confined.
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“Liberation from oppression” here means that Muslims can rape, rob, and mass slaughter anyone who has not submitted to Islam.
And as Muslims see it, the “leader of oppressors” are peaceful Christians who will be murdered by the Muslim “Jesus” (“Isa”).
Islam is not just immoral; it is the very inversion of morality.
AleX says
@ibe
According to ‘muh holy buuk’ and the Islamic traditions, some refreshing and invigorating camel piss from time to time won’t hurt.
Second, intercourse with an animal is not out of range in case of a sexual emergency (provided the animal is killed afterwards and sold to the nearest neighbors).
Thirdly, pederasty would benefit largely the cohorts of followers through having more means of expressing a wide range of preferences and aesthetically pleasing carnal thrills.
Purifying someone’s drink can only be achieved by dipping a fly into it.
Then and only then can one rejoice Paradise and have 72 raisins and 28 virgin boys.
Karen says
Some fine topics for intensive intellectual discourse!
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Alex, mithraist christians have sex with animals, dip their fingers into daughter’s vaginas ,appear half-naked líke monkeys, commit genocide and ethnic cleansing, colonisation or neocolonisation and deprivations of other nations and international brigandage, all pursuant to obnoxious Bible inspired by the Satan christians Call holy spirit.
LeftisruiningCanada says
What a confused and corrupted mind.
Such a pity.
gravenimage says
More from Ibrahim itace muhammed:
Alex, mithraist christians have sex with animals, dip their fingers into daughter’s vaginas ,appear half-naked líke monkeys, commit genocide and ethnic cleansing, colonisation or neocolonisation and deprivations of other nations and international brigandage, all pursuant to obnoxious Bible inspired by the Satan christians Call holy spirit.
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Let’s wade through this muck, shall we?
Firstly, the greatest consumers of bestiality porn *are Muslims*. The Ayatollah Khomeini affirmed that Muslims are allowed to rape animals, as long as they immediately murder their victims and sell their meat in the next village. There is, needless to say, *nothing* like this in Christianity.
Then, Ibrahim itace muhammed has made the ludicrous claim that the Bible instructs Christians to dip their fingers into their daughter’s vaginas. Of course, there are no such verses. That does not stop him from continuing to lie about it, though.
As for their appearing “half-naked like monkeys”, this merely refers to Christians not forcibly immuring women in Burqas.
The bit about genocide and ethnic cleansing is nothing but projection; it is Musims who are wiping out Christians and other Infidels in so much of Dar-al-Islam.
Ibrahim itace muhammed has used “deprivations of other nations” to explain why the Muslim world is so backward. As he would have it, it is the fault of the free West for not having allowed Muslims to conquer and enslave us, whereby Dar-al-Islam would be riding high.
LeftisruiningCanada says
+1
That’s the way to do it
gravenimage says
The repulsive Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Sûrely Europe and other parts of the West Will be muslim with or without mass migration. thé concocted lies against islam by Christian evangelist liars are no longer popular there.
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What rot. More Muslims in Europe are *leaving* Islam than are Infidels converting to that vicious creed. Here is Pew Research:
“Religious switching is estimated to be a small factor in Muslim population change, with roughly 160,000 more people switching away from Islam than converting into the faith during this period.” [between 2010 and 2016–GI]
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/29/5-facts-about-the-muslim-population-in-europe/
And those are just the Muslims who *admit* to leaving Islam, even in the face of the death penalty for apostasy.
The increase in Mohammedans in Europe is entirely due to Muslim immigration and subsequent high breeding rates.
More:
The idiot terrorist groups sponsored to scare people from islam are now vanishing.
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The ludicrous Ibrahim itace muhammed has said this before–while at the same time affirming that Muslims have the right to rob, rape, and slaughter any Infidels who do not submit to Islam.
He both adores savage Jihadists and at the same time claims that they are actually all Jews and Americans trying to make Islam look bad. He can’t have it both ways.
Also note the absurd claim that Jihad is “now vanishing” from the West, at the same time that Jihad rapes and terror attacks are skyrocketing. Try again, creep.
More:
Intensive intellectual discourse to discover the truth about islam has been going on.
……………………………….
Yes, it has. And as LeftisruiningCanada notes, this should make any pious Muslims very, very scared. More and more Infidels are learning how barbarous Islam is, and are more apt to stand against it all the time.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Satan (holy spirit) worshiper Gravenimage, the report is bogus lie from mithraist christian evangelist liars. Days after days people in the West are realising that Godman and begotten son of God are pagan doctrines and abandoning that rubbish
FYI says
…says the islam-infected,mad dog with the soul of a demon,the tongue of a snake and the obviously unstable and sick personality of a psychopath..just like his muhammed,the “prophet” of islam: a rapist,murderer and Godless polygamous savage.
Your fate has already been sealed and you are too stupid to see it!
“Anyone who speaks evil of the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven”
Matthew 12 v 32
How terrible for you that you should have been born only to say such demonic evil!
your false god “allah” will not save you!
andra says
I rather believe that the Koran comes from Satan, not the bible. Just imagine that Mohamed was “inspired” in a bat-cave. A “religion” that claims that some people are better than others (men-women, “believers”-all other faiths) can not be inspired by a holy spirit of whatever kind.A “Religion” that allows to lie, steal and kill is no religion but a satanic cult.
And,please, do not cry that I have insulted you or your believe – you have insulted mine beforehand, and I am sick of staying polite.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Ibrahim, it’s hard to believe that you don’t know what you are doing.
We can all see very clearly just how dishonest you are in your dealings with people who reply to your many odd statements and questions.
Please don’t think that your childish evasions and distractions go unnoticed. You are tolerated and replied to here for some very specific reasons. That your claims contain any truth is not one of them.
gravenimage says
Notice that Ibrahim itace muhammed is unable to counter a single point I made.
And no–Pew Research is not partisan–they just report the results of polls. This research group is not “mithraist”, or Christian, nor is it evangelical.
The New York Times is *certainly* not Christian, but they affirm these treands as well:
“Conversions From Islam in Europe and Beyond”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/opinion/islam-conversions.html
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Ibrahim itace muhammed,
You take your dreams for reality. We do not care about people who believe that Jesus is the son of god, nor of the hell of Muslims, islamic hell does exist no more than braised butter.
boakai ngombu says
We?
Lavéritétriomphera says
France is a secular country, Muslim organization (CCIF) asked Macron to penalize islamophobia, which is the same as crime of blasphemy. If Macron listens to their request I hope we will protest in the streets.
Save Europe says
You are truly a pathetic, insidious individual who espouses, both hatred towards Non Muslims, at EVERY opportunity yet fails to see the duality of your vile Koran, Sira and Hadith. ISIS, for example, are completely true Muslims. They’re not Muslim??? YES they ARE!!! They follow the Medina Mohammed!!! Shame on you!
gravenimage says
Turkish MP: “Europe will be Muslim”
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The Muslim Turks have wanted to conquer Europe ever since they got through conquering Constantinople. Now they are so emboldened that they openly say it.
Jack Diamond says
Muhammad promised them “Rome”. They are duty bound to fulfill his “prophecy”.
gravenimage says
True, Jack. That is what these Mohamemdans are slavering over now.
Yogi says
“Islam belongs to Germany “ , Merkel announcement.. wait and see ..
Sam says
Muslims eat each other also. No one knows the future but I believe muslims will kill each other before they can establish a caliphate in Europe. However, the growth of Islam in Europe will lead to a tremendous bloodshed which has already started as we see there now in a small scale.
Jayell says
‘Wealth is going from West to East’? We’ve known that for years, but it’s a bit further east than most of our Muslim ‘friends’ (who have never created it – just stolen it). And an Islamic Europe might be Turkey’s dream, but it’s Europe’s – and the Universe’s – nightmare.
Lydia Church says
The Crusades should have been bigger in that case.
The middle east should have been Christianized all the way
back then, and then we would not be seeing this.
Too late now.
infidel says
The MSM will never feature this statement by this Turkish Islamic THUG… but the moment someone like Robert points this out,.. this will be depicted as Islamophobia..
dan christensen says
If Europe is to become muslim, a lot of Europeans and muslims are going to die first.
Depend on it – It will cost at least one very long bloody civil war.
Save Europe says
It would have to be a cold day in Hell, before I converted to Islam. Not. Going. To. Happen!!!
PGuud says
When is that powder keg going to explode?
If it ever does–if Europe ever goes up in flames–after the faithful Europeans have removed every trace of Islam from their midst, they need to go after the traitorous leadership. Every enabler and apologist of Islam must be dealt with extreme prejudice–no mercy, across the board.
Islam does not belong in a free world.
Islam: where freedom ends and slavery begins.
Lavéritétriomphera says
That means nothing, as Georgian people many Turks are mainly of Greek origin, and they become Orthodox http://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2013/09/a-mysterious-mass-conversion-from-islam.html.
As in France Ex-Muslims do not say that they became Christians. They fear retaliation and reprisals for speaking out.
janwoG says
Americans show the example. Ban unreformed Islam:
The best way to prevent Islamophobia is the reform of the reading of canonical texts to set up a reform according to the following lines:
The Conservative Muslim supremacists have no political will to reform their religion because they smell the perfume of victory in face of the very weak Western spirituality riddled by naïve apologists and deceitful Leftists, destroying the base of our civilization. There is no time more favourable to Jihadism as in our modern decadent Western world.
Unreformed “moderate” Islam, specially the Orthodox one requiring Sharia on public site, is the fertile earth where extremism can flourish. In non Muslim countries, we should require a pledge according to these lines:
Unreformed Islam is incompatible with the democratic constitution, unless they proceed to a fundamental of an authoritative reading of the Quran to vaccinate Muslims against extremism, what Muslim scholars have not yet undertaken (except a tiny minority of scholars). The main points of contention are:
1. Renounce to establish a theocracy, with the consequence of separating Mosque and State. Power hungry opportunists will always abuse religion with personal benefit. The demise of the secular state of Pakistan and Turkey, and the degrading security of non-Muslims in Indonesia was always paired with corrupt politicians courting Islamism in order to keep power and continuing to get the benefits of corruption.
2. Renounce to convert people using compulsion and repression.
3. Renounce the law of apostasy, recognizing the right of ex-Muslims to choose another religion or none, as they see fit.
4. Renounce to forbid Muslim women to marry men of other religions.
5. Renounce to compel children of Muslim father to become Muslims, accepting what they freely choose to be when they become adults.
6. Renounce the law of blasphemy.
7. The Sharia should be compatible with the constitution and applied only in the private sphere ( similar to the Torah with Orthodox Jews). Of course the national law keeps the last word.
Every Muslim organization, which does not comply to these points should be banned and their leaders deported out of the country.
Activities of Clerics should be regularly monitored.
Tom S. says
Agree 100% with your comments. Now on to Europe.
I believe this is the first time Robert Spencer has publicly raised the white flag on Europe. This has been predicted since Pat Buchanan’s 1997 book “The Death of the West” and obvious since Mark Steyn’s 2014 book “America Alone”.
So what are Americans going to do about it? It is time for a civilizational Dunkirk. President Trump needs to shut down 3rd world immigration and open and liberalize immigration of Christian refugees from Europe.
Eur says
Europe: we are multicultural, we will celebrate diversity, all religions are respectable if politics is not involved!
Muslims: Europe will be Islamic.
Save Europe says
It won’t. There will be a copious amount of Balkan style wars. They’ll lose, but it won’t be pleasant.
Grejbeard says
Never
Never.
roh says
Don’t buy any product made by Turkey , like Beko etc.
Save Europe says
…..and don’t buy any Muslim products either! From a taxi ride to a Kebab! Seriously!
ESLowe says
We are in deep trouble and it almost makes me think that this Millennial shite is the only outcome for Western civilization. There is nothing so good and productive and inventive as Western Christian (cultural or otherwise that has ever graced this planet…”ye are (truly) the Salt of the Earth. If the West goes there will be no dark age….one perpetual darkness.
henrik jensen says
europe will take over islam.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Well … Mohammad did say that you should invite the infidels to convert before you attack. So nobody can say that we weren’t warned.
Grrrr says
Tell other people that for Muslims it is no sin to gang-rape 11 year old schoolgirls.
Tell other people that for Muslims it is no sin to murder apostates and homosexuals.
Tell other people that for Muslims it is no sin to murder females simply accused of adultery.
You can also tell them that according to the Quran it is no sin to kill unbelievers…
THAT MEANS YOU!!!!!!!!
Save Europe says
So, people coming from outside get the jobs there.
+++++
Urrrrr, NO they do NOT. At best they become Uber or mini cab drivers, often, with a predilection with rape on their minds…..or they open kebab/shoarma, faux-Indian (but actually Bangladeshi) Curry houses, KFC generic chicken shops and Halal pizza places. In the UK between 50-60 percent of Muslim men do NOT work. Women? 75 percent – you aren’t here to work, but to drain!!!!!
Guy Jones says
Spoken with the same evil intonations as any National Socialist in 1930’s or 1940’s Germany.
Will the free peoples of the world band together to defeat the supremacist, totalitarian ideology of “Submission,” before it is too late?
Cunamarra says
Aside from being destructive and at odds with the principles of Life, Property, Liberty, Joy, and Equality Before the Law, Islam does not promote productivity or innovation. What this has meant historically, is that when Islam conquered a productive and advanced civilization it mobilized that nation’s productive and technological abilities to wage war on the neighboring non-Islamic territory.
With funding and support from insane Western governments Pakistan and Iran can obtain nuclear weapons but it isn’t much different from purchasing an advanced weapon system like F16’s or Abrams tanks. The culture can’t maintain or produce such items for very long. They might cause considerable damage but then their potency is depleted and they are now open for counter attack.
On the other hand, when Britain and France become the next Islamic nuclear powers with a sizable Dhimmi population willing to contribute all of their civilization’s productive and technological achievements to the global Jihad I think we will see once again that life and death struggle so apparent to the ancestors of Europeans. Eastern Europe better start preparing for such a situation.
gravenimage says
Don’t give up on Western Europe yet.
Eric jones says
There are possibly three things that can stop the Islamization of Europe. One. More people in Europe pressure their governments to follow the examples of Poland, Hungary, Checz Republic and Russia. They don’t accept Muslim refugees. Two, the break up of the EU. This is going on in slow motion. People who want to leave the EU are nationalist and tend not to want Muslim refugees.
Third and the most demanding of ones perception. Recognize that what something does is what it is; not what it says it is. Example: Islam says it is the religion of peace. But Islam does jihad, rape and ok’s having sex with animals. The readers of JW get this. But most people in the West do not. Some will say Erdogan is an ally because Turkey is in NATO, but they don’t watch what Erdogan does. Is the Pope Catholic;one would assume so. But when one observes what Francis does you may arrive at another conclusion. The contradictions of Islam are obvious but there are other areas in life that we simply accept what is said about something without looking at what it actually does. This applies to most people in the West. They don’t watch what Islam actually does.
Eric
gravenimage says
Good points, Eric.