Hundreds of police were deployed after residents rioted and torched cars in Toulouse following a police stop of a woman wearing an illegal full-face Islamic veil.
Meanwhile, Muslim advocacy groups that are connected to the Muslim Brotherhood serve as battering rams, beating into the minds of non-Muslims that they are “Islamophobic” for expressing valid concerns about the violence of Islamic supremacists and jihadis in Europe and North America. If these groups are genuinely interested in diversity, dialogue, tolerance, peace and secular government, as they claim to be, then they should be stating the truth that violence against unbelievers is sanctioned in Islamic law. They should then encourage the rejection of these calls for violence and demand that their coreligionists desist from persecuting Christians and other religious minorities, as well as from antisemitism, the rape of infidel women, and jihad attacks against infidels.
Gone are the days when the torture and abuse sanctioned by the oppressive sharia was found only in Islamic states. Now they are found in the West, thanks to opportunistic leftists chasing the Muslim vote. The story below will not make the front pages in the mass media, as it should. The one protest in Charlotte that led to the unfortunate death of an innocent person will forever take precedence over the hundreds of thousands of other innocent people who are killed or raped, brutalized, and tortured in the name of Islam.
The more Islamic supremacists are enabled, the more overtly violent they become.
“Riots, Cars Burned After Woman Ordered to Remove Full-Face Islamic Veil”, by Chris Tomlinson, Breitbart, April 17, 2018:
Hundreds of police were deployed after residents rioted and torched cars in Toulouse following a police stop of a woman wearing an illegal full-face Islamic veil.
The incident that allegedly sparked the riots took place Sunday after 5 pm when local police stopped a woman in the Toulouse district of Bellefontaine who was wearing a full-face Islamic veil, which is illegal in France.
Police asked the woman for identification and when she presented a poor photocopy of her government identification, they ordered her to remove her veil, broadcaster Franceinfo reports.
The woman refused to lift her veil and is said to have started screaming for help. She was then arrested and placed in the police vehicle.
Shortly after, around 30 locals arrived and attacked the police with projectiles, injuring one officer. The officers retreated and discharged their weapons, including a tear gas launcher, 18 times before they could escape the mob.
Police believe there may have been a link between the incident and the riots in Bellefontaine and the neighbouring district of Reynerie which erupted at around 8 pm.
Around 15 cars were torched by the rioters and 200 police mobilised during the riots which lasted several hours with some 300 tear gas grenades fired until calm was restored at around midnight.
Firefighters were not able to reach the scene until after 10:30 pm due to residents lighting fires on the road. The police station in Bellefontaine was also targetted by rioters.
“The clashes were extremely violent,” said Didier Martinez of the peacekeeping union. “My colleagues were very shocked, the events were very complicated to manage but they showed a lot of composure.”…..
Dum Spiro says
The Left likes to tell Christians they can practice their faith in their churches, but isn’t too keen on their bringing it into the public square.
Do you think they would say the same to Muslims? Wear that niqab in your mosque if you want, but don’t bring your beliefs into public?
Why the disparity? Can you articulate it?
— Spero
gravenimage says
That’s *exactly* what the police were enforcing–the French ban on Niqabs and Burqas. The barbaric Mohammedans responded with these violent riots.
thom a parry says
see the story in your paper, france24,
no that story would not be included because it may disturb the dimis and muslims and govt.
long live jihad watch
Anne Smith says
Its their favourite tactic isn’t it? When any of them are stopped from doing something illegally they get all their co-religionists to rally round and riot.
Often on the TV programme about High Court Bailiffs collecting debts the debtors are Muslims and it is quite usual for them to refuse to pay and summon aggressive and menacing help from their Muslim chums. The police have to be called and it usually results in one or more being arrested and then the debtor finally forks out.
It is a fairly simple modus operandi. Deny you are the debtor, then when the lie is exposed refuse to pay. When the bailiffs start seizing goods cause a riot. It never seems to occur to them to actually pay up. The difference between them and the indigenous British is very marked.
Lydia Church says
I live out my Christian faith everywhere, I don’t wait for the devil’s permission.
( :
But wow, it is truly escalating to new levels now!
Eur says
The same happened in Catalonia, in the city of Lleida (I think it happened in Lleida … or in a nearby town). The police asked a person with full veil to show his face or be arrested. The “woman” began to scream and ask for help, dozens of Moroccan Muslims appeared and began to beat the police. From that moment on, no police stop veiled Muslims enter and leave the sites with total impunity, including the banks. Muslims have us scared.
boakai ngombu says
the allah god of islam (unknowable; the best of all deceivers) has revealed to its slaves (muslims) that they are SUPERIOR. the slaves then look to muhammad (lately contrived; full of lusts; having no compassion) for the example of the BEST. and so the slaves love what the allah god loves (if it could) and hate what the allah god hates(which it does, often demanding vengeance and shed blood).
… time to show them they are NOT best and that following muhammad is an exercise in futility for a society which desires success through freedom instead of enslavement
Ralph says
If it happened in Spain. There is only one simple solution. A second reconquesta. ALL OVER EUROPE.
Bill says
Any excuse will do to support violent muslim behavior. Within a year, no excuse or pretext will be necessary. It will just happen. Macron and his EU elitist compatriots in both politics and global business want this.
Jim says
Alot of composure in the mist of Islamic chaotic madness was shown… congrats for keeping your cool..
J D S says
Pass laws to address the inequities in Islam vs Christianity and others..Islam expects…no demands…everyone should follow their so called religion (unknown)..To make that really illegal then pass new laws to address this….
As I have said before there are enough laws on the books to cover all the atrocities that is in Islam but the religion itself is where the problem is no other religion that I know of has requirements in their religion for murder rape stealing slavery and so many other atrocities so laws need to be passed to address this. No real God based religion would have such things in it so get on the backs of your elected officials to pass laws needed to address this and do it right now..START TODAY DON’T WAITED
DBM echo says
“Hundreds of police were deployed after [idle, good-for-nothing, welfare-dependent Muslim] residents rioted and torched cars in Toulouse following . . .”
Not Dumb Enough says
America won’t have to have another war with the Elite England banking system the was they are going, the’re slitting their own throats. Just keep those bastards there, we don’t want these scum sucking sand fleas in our back yard. We will not give up our guns, we will need them for exterminating these vermin.
Sheepdog says
Too late. They are already here. Wait and watch when they are numerous enough, for a multiple target, simultaneous, coordinated attack. 9/11/2001 was a declaration of war against our nation, our values and our Christian religion.
Krishna says
As usual riots, intolerance and hate
PABLO says
The French invited it, nurtured it, protected it and is reaping it. Hard to feel sorry for people who orchestrated their own demise.
PMP says
You are right. I lost any compassion and respect for the majority of France immediately after the election. Once the vast majority voted for Macron and his love of this fascist muslim slime. Good bye France. Welcome anarchy and violence and fascism.
I could care less any more. The best that one can hope for now, is that the muzzies don’t make the non leftists that are stupid enough to remain in France suffer too much, and are granted a quick, as painless as possible death. Without too much torture.
Ralph says
Chsrlemagne will be turning in his grave.
gravenimage says
At least the French have banned the Niqab.
Guy Jones says
They would have been better off banning Islam.
Ralph says
Its a start.
Lavéritétriomphera says
When it is time.
t says
that picis a year old
gravenimage says
Even assuming this is the case, why are you implying that Jihad Watch not be allowed to report on this story?
Niemoller says
China is closely watching this irrational political behaviour of the west in amazement. China will never bow to Islam. China is quietly expecting for Islam to sink the west into third world chaos. China will eliminate every last vestige of Islam and rule the world; anyone not Chinese will be lucky if China lets them survive. And who can blame China? They once admired the west, and watched Muslims invade and destroy it. China is too big and has too much intelligence, technological capability and pride to allow this backward garbage ideology called “Islam” to destroy it.
Quisling western politicastors like Macron, Merkel, Blair, May, Rutte, etc., are leading us to extinction. They pose an existential threat. If you don’t want the above to happen to you and your children, unelect these traitors and stop the madness.
gravenimage says
I would not count on it. China exempted Muslims from the One-Child Policy and allows Muslim Uigers in Western China to carry knives while Han Chinese cannot.
Niemoller says
The Han will no permit Islam to expand in to China. China is taking rational measures to halt and reduce even the Islam historically in China, and will not permit jihad immigration at all.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Jay Boo.
Ren says
Welcome to the muslim chaotic zone.
Ralph says
Its correct name is Eurabia.
Pet Charles says
The behavior described in the article is a result of French government pandering. The police is now unable to identify someone who provides questionable ID? To enforce the law, you impose Marshall law if necessary, shoot to kill if necessary. If 200 police officers can’t control them bring in 2,000. But a clear an unequivocal message must be sent at all cost. There is one law that ALL must obey and those who fail to do so will be punished. Its simple as that.
Bacherbazistan says
and now for some violent diversity from Germany:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-17/germany-cracks-down-middle-eastern-crime-families
somehistory says
It was all planned. Break a law, the police come and then are overwhelmed by the mob that was already assembled nearby.
Call the police to a fake crime and then surround them with a mob already assembled nearby.
There are several forms of the same scene, all planned to scare the police into allowing the moslims to do as they please for fear of being surrounded, and perhaps killed, by a mob assembled nearby.
Raja says
Somehistory, This is one of the strategies of infidel-hating, supremacist Islam. It happens so often in Muslim dominated areas across the globe and no-go zones of the West.
Welcome to a gentler form of jihad!
DHazard says
It is my opinion that in the competition for “Most Entitled” Muslims would win hands down. They outpace women and all other minorities. They expect to be paid in benefits, just for existing, and otherwise accommodated in every way. Nothing is offered in return, not even a hint of gratitude, which is replaced by resentment. The religion of Islam molds people who are kings or queens in their own minds, but in many cases, just angry, parasitic trash.
The European says
Teach the Muslims to behave in accordance with Western laws.
If they can’t be taught, expel them.
If they refuse to be deported and put up a fight, fight back and crush them
It’s still time to get rid of this Muslim rabble which is growing every day in the suburbs of any big French city. But it will be too late in a few years.,. I wonder how many decent and innocent Frenchmen must die before this Muslim scum is properly dealt with.
gravenimage says
France: Muslims erupt in “extremely violent” riots after woman is ordered to remove her niqab
…………………….
How dare we enforce our own civilized laws?
Chantal says
DEPORT! DEPORT! DEPORT! IMMEDIATELY!
Frank Anderson says
Please let me ask the question-How violent does a riot have to be that it is considered “extremely violent”? I don’t recall a peaceful riot. The essence of a riot is violence. Upon what does it graduate to “extreme”. With “tongue in cheek”.
Infidel says
If I were Macron, I would just call in the army.. (the cowardly politically correct French police will not do) and just tank these rioting vermin down…Same thing happens in India too whenever the law tries to take action against these termites.
Lavéritétriomphera says
But you are not Macron and our police is not coward. It happened in my city, Muslims have no solidarity. They demand troublemakers to be neutralized, and some of my fellow citizens want Cayenne prison to be reopened.
Frank Anderson says
Lav. . ., with best wishes, How would the troublemakers know they were in prison? Their lives are already a prison, teaching death and slavery, getting a free ride off you and your fellow victims of conquest because they are taught to have no ambition greater than the free ride of socialism. Sooner or later you (and your non-muslim friends) are going to run out of money or get tired of being soaked. Jails and prisons only work for people who value freedom. And such “supervised housing” is expensive. Liberty shall triumph..
Lavéritétriomphera says
Hi Frank,
I do not know how prisons are in the United States, but in France when these troublemakers go to jail, they do not want to rot in prison, it is no picnic. Our prisons are overcrowded with a deplorable promiscuity.
There are people who think that a civil war could break out in France, I hope that will not happen.
The bible is right : John 8:32 “Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”. Liberty cannot exist without Truth.
Amitiés.
Frank Anderson says
Lav. . ., Jews and Christians in different ways and extents teach and treasure liberty. The “anti-Jews/Christians” teach slavery for themselves and all they control. I love that John quote; especially with the addition I believe is added by Thomas Jefferson, “. . ..But first it will make you miserable.” Until there is some measure of misery there will be no change. Before our snowflake, delusional collaborators in charge will see the “light” as Neville Chamberlain finally saw the “light” with Hitler, a lot of misery is going to happen. One of the best reasons to stay alive and free that I can see, is to watch and see what happens next, hopefully including the triumph of liberty. I would also like to see how parasites can be made to pay for the harm they do to our society. Have you ever seen a disease pay the patient for making him sick? I haven’t. Peace and best wishes.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Bonsoir Frank,
I wrote to Farida Belgoul who is a well known French Muslim political activist and an university teacher. I said to her that I did not believe in Koran and she answered : “15 centuries and billions of Muslims who lived or are living nowadays are they less perinent than you are ? Unless they are all bastards. Including myself.”.
I answer to her that I have the right to think freely and to express my ideas without insulting people, and to put into question Koran and Bible.
It’s a great tragedy that these so-called educated people censor and even criminalise freedom of thought.
I believe Jesus when he said in Matthew 23:14 :”Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense you make long prayers; therefore you will receive greater condemnation.”.
Unfortunately these “scholars” can be very influential towards the formation of public opinion and naive people.
Maybe she thinks she is sincere but being sincere does not mean being in the Truth isn’t it?
À bientôt,
Amitiés.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Sorry she said less pertinent and no less perinent.
Frank Anderson says
Lav. . ., Several times I have infuriated judges because I refused to discuss a case with an opponent that I knew was already engaging in fraud and lying. It would be a complete waste of time and a futile gesture. One time a judge sent me to a conference room where one of her subordinates took advantage of a lifetime of respect and friendship between us to say what he was told to say. I listened and let him do as ordered. Then another lawyer that I knew to be a congenital liar chimed in and wanted me to surrender my client to a fraud perpetrated by my client’s brother to protect his client. No DEAL. We tried the case. A week later we tried it again. A week later we tried it a third time, this time putting a lawyer on the stand forcing him to testify against his client, my client’s brother, and I won. The liars lost.
About 40 years ago I was video recording various events in law school, including some negotiating training sessions. Realizing the importance of negotiations in the practice of law I found more or less 6 books on the subject and read them. All agreed, regardless of the different approaches, that negotiation demands some measure of confidence in the counterpart’s word. The people who live, such as they do, in islam are taught the exact opposite, to lie at every opportunity to non-muslims whenever advantage can be obtained. They are taught, as has been taught for 1400 years that any promise made to infidels is meaningless and can be violated at any time. They are also taught that islam is final, perfect, unchangeable, and complete. When we know enough about islam to understand those to basic facts there is nothing to negotiate.
I suggest that we identify 3 groups, those who are informed and tend to agree with us, those who do not have a clue they are standing on railroad tracks with a high speed train a few feet away, and those who want the train to kill everyone. It’s a waste to try to change murderous intentions. It would have been a waste to negotiate with Hitler, Himmler, Heydrick, Eichmann, . . . We don’t need to negotiate with people who already agree with us. Sharing information may help them help all of us with the third group mindlessly standing on the tracks waiting to be killed. But, any negotiation, unless we try to take the Soviet approach (“What’s mine is mine; What’s yours is negotiable.”), requires some measure of giving to get something. How much of your liberty are you willing to give today in exchange of a false sense of compromise and security. that will evaporate whenever “the time is right”? Real Peace in the most extensive and comprehensive form imaginable (Shalom) be with us.
Lavéritétriomphera says
We do not negotiate with Satan without seeing his tail, but it is important to identify his servants. I unmasked Farida Belghoul.
Extremism exists in all religions. For example, I heard a “rabbi” saying that Holocaust was a good thing because Jews were loosing their identity!
Islam is an ideology entirely extremist. Totalitarian systems are based on lies and detained people pretend they are “believers” to stay alive.
So we must fight against those who want war.
And PEACE on earth to men of good will!
Amitiés,
Frank Anderson says
Amen.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Bonjour Frank,
I learned a lot again thanks to you.
Amitiés.
Frank Anderson says
Lav. . ., We learn from each other through thoughtful conversation. We cannot learn by conversing with liars. Those we oppose are taught be every means from the earliest days to lie to us. The liberal/totalitarian view that everything is negotiable is delusional because it assumes, completely contrary to all evidence in front of them for 1400 years, that “they” are the same as “us”. They are not and make no secret of it. When churches and synagogues are built and peacefully occupied (guess where) without the occasional riot, burning or murder, then there is some chance of peace. But that cannot happen to a final, complete, perfect, unchangeable set of rules calling for slavery, murder, and all the other evil we oppose. Delusions can get you killed. Our God wants us to live. Liberty shall triumph.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Hi Frank,
I agree with you, it is impossible to negotiate with the devil but it is necessary to denounce his servants. They are not sincere and they lie.
I am a therapist in mental illness and Koran is a textbook for psychopaths.
Truth/Justice/Liberty will triomph.
Amitiès.
Frank Anderson says
From what I have seen of you, you are also what I consider a prince. To me, that is a person of favor who inspires. We both have had to deal with problems, some of our own and some of others. It’s hard work isn’t it? We continue. . .
Lavéritétriomphera says
Bonsoir Frank,
When the Second World War broke out, my father was a very young soldier, and he joined De Gaulle’s Free French Forces. He fought the war and he took part in the D-Day landings in 1944 with British and with your American fellow citizens. They all wanted the fall of the Nazi system.
I am his youngest son, and he once told me that he caused a lot suffering to my grandmother, because he had to change his name to protect her and his sisters, nephew … As a patriot I hate the collaborators of Pétain regime, but some of them, as Pétain said, had “no” choice during this never ending night (as I heard, and I do not judged them, I was not born then and they have been sentenced for treason).
An Iranian woman told me, if we rebel against the Mollah system, we are slaughtered! You are right once again, we must never stop fighting for Truth /Justice/Freedom, and never forget that some people are powerless to stop tyranny, because they have to protect themselves and their families.
Amitiès.
Frank Anderson says
Lav. . ., we are more or less the same age, born after WWII to parents who survived the experience. Your father in my opinion did far better to join the Free French outside the country than to engage in the guerilla campaign which in my opinion caused little real harm to the Nazi’s and great harm to those trapped during the occupation. The idea of unlawful combat gives excuses for barbaric treatment of people who are completely un-involved with the actions against the occupiers. You know several, or many examples in your country in both world wars where major atrocities were triggered by unlawful combat; in WWI, just the suspicion of unlawful combat. Campaigns of nuisance raids and attacks produce little except dead innocents.
Interesting Biblical example, when the Jews were taken hostage (ca. 586 BCE?) some fought and were killed while others stayed peaceful; and along came Cyrus (?) of Persia who allowed them to return and rebuild after some years. The Nazi’s were put out of business by an official, lawful armed force, not an unlawful, unprotected group that killed more of their own people through reprisals than they did of the enemy. The Geneva Conventions do not apply to many countries, and especially to “non governmental combatants”, (you know who I mean). But when those to whom the rules apply violate the rules, they give an excuse and support to evil for more.
Ill considered, half-cocked, efforts will not prevent the horror that is headed our way. It will take a lot of effort to help undecided people see, and to help the few that dare change sides to come to the way of freedom and liberty against the slavery of islam. As counselors we have some reason to believe we can help. There is still some reason for us to try. FAVORITE Quote: “A wise man harkeneth to counsel; A fool in his own eyes is always right.” Col T.C.Huckabee, University Military School, exact translation of Bible not found. I have dodged many disasters when invoking this quote. Pray for peace; but prepare. . .
Lavéritétriomphera says
Bonjour Frank,
Yes we are more or less the same age, and we must not leave to our children a world with the powerful beast. I believe that without French underground, some military operations would not have been possible. And I know that German underground existed too.
One of my father’s comrades-in-arms was a Jew, and he joined the Free French Forces too, he was fighting for his Fatherland France.
It’s interesting that you mention Cyrus because many Jews opted to stay in Babylon, and I we must not forget that many prefer nowadays to stay in countries where their ancestors have lived for a very long time.
And nobody, including Muslims, wants a nuclear war. Muslims read Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Aayan Hirsi Alli, Christine Tasin … and many understand that Islam is a totalitarian ideology as fascism.
I hope information will avoid the worst.
Amitiès.
Frank Anderson says
Lav. . ., opinions can reasonably differ about underground combat. *In my opinion* far fewer non-combatants would have died from reprisals by using the guerillas to identify targets for the air bombing campaign instead of direct killing of the occasional Nazi. That is only my opinion and not by any means the only correct view.
I agree that *not all* muslims want nuclear war. But you might want to take a look at a book by Mark Hitchcock, The Apocalypse of Ahmadinejad: The Revelation of Iran’s Nuclear Prophet, which discusses the need seen by some muslims for a catastrophic war to bring back the missing and hiding Twelfth Imam. Civilization has survived so far in the nuclear age because more or less rational people are in charge of the arsenals. Rational (sane) people do not generally commit suicide. That is not true of muslims; which calls into question their rationality (sanity). Another book that might be informative is Why Israel Can’t Wait, by Jerome R. Corsi, Ph.D. A third book by an Iranian who opposes the ayatollahs and mullahs, Alireza Jafarzadeh, The Iran Threat, further illustrates the drive to a massive war to fulfill Shite prophecy. You would know better than I if projection of your rationality could be misplaced.
I always wish you well.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Bonsoir Frank,
Indeed this armed for war Shiite sect, is very dangerous. By definition and speaking from my own experience, it is very difficult to reason with mentally ill persons going through a mental health crisis, it is quite impossible without treatment, and if they are dangerous to themselves and others, they must be treated as a matter of urgency, but when it’s an entire nation that is becoming crazy, I do not see what can be done.
But it seems that our presidents try to deal with the problem
https://english.mojahedin.org/i/trump-macron-to-discuss-iran-nuclear-deal-next-week.
Even though I am not religious I believe that Bible is a Book of Wisdom and Christianity is spreading in Iran http://www.patheos.com/blogs/hedgerow/2018/02/despite-regular-targeting-imprisonment-christianity-iran-spreading/.
Christianity is an antidote to Islam,
“Hope is what makes us live”.
.
I always wish you well too.
Frank Anderson says
Lav. . ., I have had to deal with my own problems for a long time, which taught me a lot about helping others who can be helped and avoiding those who cannot. No matter how hard I tried, some people just cannot be helped to find health-especially when they don’t want to be healthy. You and I almost certainly share a vision of health as the desire for peace with those around us and progress toward a free, happy and productive future. What does all islam teach; and how does that compare?
I found in the *teachings* of Judaism great sense and wisdom. The *practices* of those who profess to be Jewish locally disappoint me and do not appear to follow the *teachings*. In many conversations the *teachings* of Judaism have been equated with good mental health. The picture most Christians have of Judaism is frozen with the description of the Bible, which was locked in place with Emperor Constantine, who did not want to say anything good about people who fought the Roman Empire. See, Jews, God and History by Rabbi Max Dimont.
The really big attraction to Jewish teaching is that over 3700 years, Judaism has progressed. Understanding of God and His relation to us has improved. The first time I visited a Jewish congregation I received 3 propositions that still astound me with their wisdom: 1)Wisdom is its own authority, which does not depend on who says it or where it is located; 2)Wisdom is all around us, in the Bible and elsewhere-wherever wisdom is found in human control there will always be some measure of error or deception; 3) *ASK EVERY QUESTION* repeatedly, even to the very existence of God, because each time a question is asked some of the tarnish of error is removed (Truth has nothing to fear from questions). It is heartbreaking to watch Jews in the United States fail to follow that wisdom and join hand in hand promoting the islamic invasion that fully intends to exterminate them.
But sadly Christians who fail to see how much Judaism has changed since the Roman Empire still come to Jewish congregations looking for sacrificial altars that have not existed anywhere in the world since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem, app 70 AD/CE. There have been no priests in Judaism since the fall of the Temple, high or otherwise. I am told and have read that a theological war went on between the priests and the rabbinical movement for about 200 years, that ended when the Temple was destroyed. But generally Christians have not gotten the word that many of the teachings of a Jewish man, whom some consider the first *well-known* Reform Jewish Rabbi, came true.
Like many problems, before solving they must first be recognized and admitted. Mental health is not automatic. It takes a decision and a commitment. Religion, properly employed, can be a source of guidance and inspiration for health, as we see it being a source for evil in islam. Karl Marx actually wrote a true statement when he called religion the opiate of the people. But, let me tell you from direct, intense personal experience from a blood clot in my lung following heart surgery, there is a time and place for a measured dose of opium, Thank God! My family endured 7 years of my harshest challenges to religion until I finally received that insight and message. Here I am now having endured a lifetime of major trials with many victories, a number of losses and a lot of pain, continuing to see what good I can do next.
We continue. Favorite quote “Behold how good and pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity. . .”
Lavéritétriomphera says
Bonsoir Frank,
I think that brainwash can be compared to a mental illness with passages to the act http://nosubject.com/index.php?title=Passage_to_the_act.
Some”gurus” are predators who abuse of naive persons, freedom of thought is their worst enemy. They can use drugs and they say to their victims that they are special persons, chosen people who must obey to them and to their tyrannic god, if not they will be condemn to eternal hellfire (damnatio ad aeternam).
I do not believe that wisdom can exist without experience, teachings are similar to the highway code, but we are the only ones on the road, able to “drive” our life.
I would be happy to correspond with you in private is-it possible?
Amitiès.
Frank Anderson says
Lav. . , I would have no problem corresponding with you as long as neither of us need to broadcast our locations. Perhaps JW can help us make contact. They know both our addresses.
Another quote that I tried to teach clients frequently and with a measure of success starts with “The fear (respect) of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom; The Love (mercy and forgiveness) of the Lord surpasses all human understanding.” Immediately following that quote I would add, “The healthy respect of IRS (Internal Revenue Service) and ATF are very sound second steps.” There is too much pain and suffering demanded to acquire wisdom only from personal experience. When wisdom can be gained by considering the experience of others, wisdom compounds and leads to a more productive life. “Learn/Profit by other’s mistakes/experience: You can’t live long enough to make them all yourself!”
Yes, from my honored and treasured uncle, Father by Choice #2 only in sequence, I learned to keep a lot of quotes and stories ready to help. His story is amazing and always good to put a smile on my face.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Bonjour Frank,
I do not want my mail to be published too, but I will be happy to be your correspondent.
If I look back on the experience I have with suicidal persons, the personal beliefs are essential, it can destroy or save a life.
Note, however, Allah is creator of good and evil, he is a schizophrenic god who can lie to people, that is why Muslims can not organize their thoughts logically. They must face contradictions and they are blocked in their reflexions. Muslims are therfore sectarians formalised and ritualistic people, they cannot do otherwise.
Amitiès.
Frank Anderson says
Lav. . , I believe contact information for the managers of Jihad Watch is given on the daily summary. They can, if they will, help us communicate.
If you can see some good arising from islam, you are a step ahead of me. As a person whose name means “free man” slavery of any form has never been attractive. As a person who has fought to live most of his life, suicide is not an available option. As one who has lived since the first grade with an honor code which works when nobody is looking, lying, cheating or stealing are just not done. As one who treasures children, and wishes God had seen fit to allow a different life where a “whole yard full” were part of it, child neglect or abuse are intolerable.
Perhaps, as we communicate, you will help me see what is good about islam. Jews teach, I think correctly, that there are no perfect humans; neither perfectly good, nor perfectly bad. To me it’s kind of like Einstein’s Theory of Relativity that has proven true whenever tested. If experience is an indicator of future performance, perhaps there is some good to be found. I have been paying attention to the subject of islam for about 10 years, and have read at least 20 books from a whole spectrum of authors. I have found nothing that I would consider good. The most disturbing book I have read is M.D. Wafa Sultan’s A God Who Hates. She saw and lived in horror before escaping. May God Bless her and all like her.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Maybe I expressed myself poorly, Islam is a totalitarian ideology and Muslims do not propose but impose their ideas. I believe that totalitarian ideologies and of course Islam are evil no doubt about this.
Amitiès.
Frank Anderson says
Lav. . ., we have been communicating long enough to show each other courtesy and respect sufficient to allow for any errors. You are not alone in wishing for things that “lawyers” say are “not in evidence”. It is hard for many people to stop looking for some hope of “reprieve” because without reprieve there will be conflict. In my experience most people fear conflict so much, because it has been beaten out of them by totalitarians of many labels, including “ultra-liberal” school teachers, that they run instead of fight until they are utterly trapped. I would suggest that I reserve a personal story that illustrates that proposition until we communicate privately.
Much of my life has been spent fighting where others would not. Before I went to law school, my employer frequently directed me to handle customer problems other employees would not. Twelve years of military school before college, accompanied by a lot of hazing and quite a few fights did not make me a milktoast. It took years at that school for me to get big enough, strong enough and determined enough to stop the bullies by beating the living hell out of them when they started something. Then they left me alone.
Still remembering the teaching to “ask every question repeatedly” I think no harm is done by looking for good where there appears to be none. But looking should not interfere with dealing with what is seen right now. Always best wishes now and in the future.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Bonsoir Frank,
I wish to communicate with you in private, but ni the first place I must tell you that I am a French from the French-speaking sub-Saharan Africa. I do not remember the first time my parents moved to Africa, I was only two years old !
I lived in an Islamic country and I know Islam. When I finally settled in France I was 19 years old.
Amitiès.
Frank Anderson says
Lav. . , I don’t know that there is much to worry about. I have worked with a lot of people, including some very diverse clients, from unskilled laborers to MD/Psychiatrists, Ph.D Engineers, and lots of “stinking” lawyers. I try to take people as I find them. The important questions start with what are we today and where do we wish to go in the future?
Lavéritétriomphera says
Hi Frank,
I did not find a way to exchange our mail and communicate in private, and we’re right to not publish our address.
Do you have a solution ?
Amitiès.
Frank Anderson says
Lav. . ., The best right now is to continue as we are. I’m not planning to go anywhere; and I still have a lot of fun and good things left to do. I treasure my ongoing exchanges with GI (I am lazy, and have trouble calling someone I admire Gravenimage-so I abbreviate her name too). I claim friends from as long ago as more than 60 years, many of whom from great distance. I amazed one of them many years ago, considering my harsh approach to enemies with, “Earn friends at every opportunity; Make enemies with the greatest of care.” As far as I know that’s mine. It works. You are a friend who adds good to my life. Perhaps we can add good to the lives of others.
gravenimage says
Good exchange, Lavéritétriomphera and Frank.
Frank Anderson says
GI, you teach and inspire good exchanges. Can you help Lav. . ., and me communicate?
gravenimage says
Thank you, Frank. I think you guys are doing just fine. 🙂
Brother Charles says
Come on people you have got it all wrong ,The muslims just want to give A PEACE OF FIRE ,A PEACE OF A HAMMER ,A PEACE OF A MACHETE , A PEACE OF STONE THROWING , A PEACE OF KNIFE STABBING , A PEACE OF A ROCK , A PEACE OF ACID , THEY ONLY WANT PEACE ,SO WHATS WRONG WITH YOU WHY WILL YOU NOT TAKE THEIR PEACE ?
Ezra says
Well, the religion of peace is at it once again. But can anyone explain to me why they blur the faces of the perps in the videos posted – like the video in Germany that blurred the face of the moslem thug who was beating the Jew with his belt (then I read somewhere that the clip was faked by the Jew – anyone know?).
It seems to me that we are going out of our way to tolerate such thuggish behavior by moslems. Someone convince me I am wrong.
Giacomo Latta says
As someone who likes to watch the show Cops on television and similar shows in France I can tell you that this is not a rare occurrence. Police in France face situations on a daily basis that would call for the National Guard or the army in the US.
martin says
start shooting them!