UPDATE: The Telegraph reports that the driver had genuine psychological problems, and was neither a Muslim nor a jihadi. The origin of the Romanian TV report, which remains on the Romanian site, is unexplained.
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In this post yesterday, I explained some of the problems with the German police’s explanation of this event: the man had “psychological problems” but apparently also explosives and accomplices, which mentally ill people who just snap one day don’t usually have. And note how the police misleadingly said that the attacker was a German, when now it turns out he was a Muslim migrant. The only element that prevents this incident from being classified as a clear case of vehicular jihad is that he killed himself after the attack, which jihadis do not ordinarily do. On that, the German police may be lying, or this jihadi panicked after the attack and decided he would rather die than go to a German prison, or there may be still another explanation. In any case, this reading of the tea leaves and guesswork is unfortunately made necessary by the manifest dishonesty of authorities in Germany and all over the West regarding jihad attacks.
“Terror in Münster: Romanian television reports that the terrorist was a German citizen of Kurdish origin,” Searchlight Germany, April 8, 2018:
UPDATE: Atacatorul s-ar fi împușcat singur, anunţă presa germană. Suspectul este un cetăţean german de origină kurdă, al cărui paşaport ar fi fost găsit la locul tragediei.
Translation:
UPDATE: The assailant has shot himself, the German press reported. The suspect is a German citizen of Kurdish origin whose passport was found at the scene.
https://b1.ro/stiri/externe/atac-munster-germania-218821.html
Jayell says
Predictable.
Andy says
Islamic Terrorist Uses Truck To Run Over People In Germany
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP1SaNuf1EI
Andy says
Germany should have a leader like this lady!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlbXaSNtivs
Andy says
UN Propaganda Encourages Mass Migration to Europe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69NhRXvPy2c
Molly Brown says
Thanks for sharing Andy! English grandmother is a true patriot, Rose of England! She’s lived long enough to know the difference between a civilized society and savage replacement! Millennials have been brainwashed that multiculturalism is good for society. Leaders and teachers in positions of power do nothing to counter this narrative. Zero tolerance for non-integration must be enforced by government officials. Otherwise laws carry no meaning or purpose. Two sets of laws are at play in England in 2018. Would love to see non-Muslims attempt a prayer session in the Royal Park and near Speaker’s Corner. Videotape the outcome and double standards.
David Jackson says
This video should be shown to all the members of both Houses of Parliament. People concerned for their children and the sort of country they will inherit can be informed by a sensible grandmother who has bothered to accurately research the facts about Islam and the threat it poses to our culture. This lady and what she has said is representative of the feelings of millions. Politicians look out. Now is the time to come clean and return this country to the British people. You in your positions are just caretakers and at present you are showing that you are not to be trusted to ensure that this country will be fit for purpose.
Johan Elzinga says
Great video. Could not make out what links he mentioned at the end. Somebody know those links?
Joaquin V says
How reliable is this information?
The German does not say anything about the background of the assaillant but that he is “German”.
Johan Elzinga says
I found on FOCUS online, a German newspaper, that there is evidence found in emails from this perpertrator:
Bei der Suche nach seinem Motiv stützen sich die Ermittler vor allem auf seine fünfseitige Abschiedsmail, in der er sich Ende März in kruden Anschuldigungen von seiner Familie und seinen Bekannten verabschiedete.
Translation: the perpetrator had send an email where he says goodbye to his family
https://www.focus.de/panorama/welt/muenster-in-seiner-abschiedsmail-machte-amokfahrer-jens-r-seinen-aerzten-schwere-vorwuerfe_id_8729222.html
The perpetrator got rich on some patents, owns three houses
Ende März bat Jens R. beim sozialpsychiatrischen Dienst der Stadt Münster um Hilfe. Es ist die Zeit, in der er auch besagte Abschiedsmail versendete. Darin beschwerte er sich auch, dass man ihn als Rechtsradikalen beschimpfe. In jener Phase trug er sich zunehmend mit Selbstmordabsichten.
End of March, he asked for help at the social psychiatric service in Münster. He objected to be seen as a right wing radical (…)
So, yes, perhaps he is muslim or he is not. But I have good reasons that this news about this man can be trusted. Focus is not at all on the hand of immigrants.
tyrannosaurus says
A man who has connections to the Police shows me a photo from the MÜNSTER MURDERER.
He is surely from “SOUTHLAND” and not GERMAN origin!
The fact that the officials show no photo of the MÜNSTER MURDERER and that the Story is out of the press says all!
When a TERRORIST is from GERMAN origin the story is very long in the gazettes and news!
With clear naame and photo.
Lebel says
Any German source reporting the same thing?
Jürg Rückert says
None!
Lebel says
Well that’s just proof that the German media is lying.
Signed: Jihadwatch collective
Yohanan says
The media is lying because such information is suppressed by higher authorities. Why is this information suppressed even censored? Will the truth about jihadi Islamic supremacism increase or decrease violence? Free speech is less dangerous than its suppression.
The police are lying to be true to their order. They did say the perpetrator was Jens R. from Olsberg and it’s against law to divulge last name surname; no connection to Islamism, etc.
Thanks to Jihad Watch and sources. Without the internet his Islamic connection would be hidden.
Johan Elzinga says
No Dutch news media either, unsurprisingly. I checked them all. Even tpo.nl, what is basically a very jihadwatch friendly site.
Lebel says
According to German sources he was born in Sauerland:
https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article175259520/Amokfahrer-von-Muenster-Was-wir-ueber-den-mutmasslichen-Taeter-wissen.html
Is there anyone else apart from some Romanian source reporting that he was a Muslim migrant?
gravenimage says
Actually, the article is rather ambiguous on this point. This, from Google Translate:
“According to WELT information, the alleged perpetrator is a man named Jens R., born on May 1, 1969. He comes from the Sauerland and lives for some time in the peace city of Münster…”
The wording is “er stammt aus”, which means “he comes from”, not “he was born in”. This may just mean that he lived in the Sauerland region for some time when first in Germany. Unclear.
Lebel says
Firstly, thanks for a non-aggressive post GI, I see that I have softened you up with my Taqqiya, Kitman, Kumra, and Wudu wal wudu.
Second, I am not a native speaker but I think that verb refers to where he was born (his roots).
Can we get a native German speaker to chime in here? Preferably one who despises Islam so that other jihadwatchers don’t start getting suspicious.
Kay says
You are ridiculous Lebel.
JawsV says
Islam deserves to be despised. Islam is a hate-filled anti-Jew/Christian mass-murder religion. In addition, Islam’s a giant fraud. Allah is Muhammed. Fraudulent Islam.
mortimer says
Lebel, why would anyone believe a word of what you say since you admit your use TAQIYYA and KITMAN and TAWRIYA???
It would be absurd to believe anything that a proven liar says without verifying it independently.
We are not blameworthy, because MOHAMMED INVENTED TAQIYYA TO DECEIVE THE DIRTY KUFAAR. You are doing that, are you not?
Lebel says
We have a funny Muslim version of the Liar’s paradox here.
tyrannosaurus says
The 9 x murderer from MUNICH was offically called:
DAVID S.
In fact the name of the 19 year old IRANIAN shooter was:
ALI DAVOUD !!! SONOLI.
A SHIIT who killt 9 SUNNIT!
billrla says
Just don’t sit in any outdoor cafes in Germany and your’re good to go. Oh, and don’t sit inside any German cafes, either. Of course, there’s also the option of not going to Germany. Avoiding Western Europe might be a good idea. Also, airports, train stations and subway stations. And sidewalks. Don’t forget those.
Might as well stay home in Syria, or Iraq, or Pakistan, or Afghanistan. Or New York. Or Orlando. Or San Benardino.
Better yet, don’t go outside. And stay away from windows. Keep the shades down.
TL says
Reuters reported hours ago that “Jens R.” acted alone and had FOUR apartments.
Muenster attacker was lone German with mental health problems – minister
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-crash/muenster-attacker-was-lone-german-with-mental-health-problems-minister-idUSKBN1HE0IQ
Thelastvirgingoat says
Be careful with this one, a Romanian source is not good enough reason to confirm he was an immigrant Muslim. He may be in fact a native german but that still doesn’t rule out anything. Maybe leftist,Islamic convert,extreme-right or mentally ill. The left will use this of an example of the islamophobic bias of right-wing.
WESTPAC Spy says
Citizenship laws work differently in Germany then they work here. Nobody born to non-ethnic German parents gets birthright citizenship unless at least one parent is already a naturalized citizen. There have been “guest workers” from Turkey in Germany for decades. And until this century it’s been very difficult for those guest workers to become naturalized German citizens. Their children still do not automatically get German citizenship just because they’re born in Germany. They have to go through the process of naturalization when they are old enough to petition for it on their own. Since there are e lots of Kurds in Turkey nothing about being born in Sauerland rules out that he is of Kurdish origin.
Lebel says
“Since there are e lots of Kurds in Turkey nothing about being born in Sauerland rules out that he is of Kurdish origin.”
I think that is a good point although his reported name does not sound very Turkish.
MM says
Remember “David S.”? Ali Dahwud Sonboli, the Munich Shooter. The German Wikipedia doesn’t quote his last name Sonboli. And now even in official statistics it is counted as Right Wing Extremist Terrorism.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschlag_in_M%C3%BCnchen_2016#T%C3%A4ter
Still, in the present case, there is no other hint than the dubious Romanian source and the fact that the media tries to hide it as long as they can. In a few days we will know.
as140 says
Sry, but you are very wrong. I am from germany. And I can confirm that a person without german ancestry can quite easily get citizenship.
Ashley says
I don’t think he was a Muslim immigrant:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/09/munster-attack-driver-left-suicide-note-accusing-parents-doctors/
Lebel says
Hi Ashley, I think that for significant number of jihadwatchers this is just part of the wider conspiracy to absolve Muslims and Islam of this crime.
I know that you probably disagree but I contend that RS is knowingly feeding into this paranoia with posts such as these.
Ashley says
From the above linked article…
Before it was clear who was responsible, Beatrix von Storch assumed the incident was an Islamist terror attack and tweeted “We can do it” — an apparent reference to Angela Merkel’s slogan at the time of the migrant influx of 2015.
When it became clear the attack was not connected to migrants, she tweeted: “It does not have to be an Islamic attack. Of course not. And if a German patient turns out to be the culprit, then I say: we also have more than enough German murderers and crazy people. We do not need any more.”
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I don’t like Islam, Lebel.
Nor do I like witch hunts and reckless reporting.
I myself am guilty of initially jumping to the conclusion that this was jihad.
You were right…
Ashley says
I want to say this, Lebel.
I strongly believe Robert would not intentionally fuel paranoia to fit a preconceived narrative. I doubt he is interested in tarnishing his reputation and credibility by planting a false post here on JW.
This story had many twists and turns. Witnesses claimed two men fled the van after the attack. The suspect had been identified as Jens Handeln, then Jens R, then Jens Ruther. ISIS has encouraged vehicular jihad. Stories often change in the aftermath of an attack when the situation is chaotic, confusing and fluid. FACTS don’t change but accounts often do.
I get that you view Jihad Watch as a narrow-minded, anti-Muslim site. That isn’t entirely fair. Each and every reader here has his/her own mind and a responsibility to look beyond the narrative for the truth. Robert is not our God and we are not his flock of sheep. I do not agree with all that is posted here but I DO learn which is why I stick around.
I honestly am glad you are here, Lebel. You offer your own unique perspective. More than once you have given me pause. I find your posts insightful, intelligent, thought provoking…with just a touch of snark.
Be well.
Lebel says
I understand what is happening now. Firstly RS is not an idiot, he knows what he is doing by releasing this “update”. This will now make the rounds on all anti-Muslim sites and the driver will become a Muslim in the collective mindset.
So yes the driver was a Muslim irrespective of the evidence
JawsV says
Islam is anti-Jew/Christian. But, we can’t be anti-Muslim? How does that work?
I’m anti-Islam and anti-the carriers of Islam since 9/11. Islam sucks.
gravenimage says
Let me rephrase Lebel’s post:
I understand what is happening now. Firstly Lebel is not an idiot, he knows what he is doing by commenting on this “update”. He will now give the impression that this terrorist cannot be a Muslim, and hope that will cast doubt in the collective mindset.
So yes the driver cannot be a Muslim irrespective of the evidence
…
That there is an article here from Romania is certainly a salient piece to cite in this case. Robert Spencer has been cautious, as he always is with incidents where the information coming in is fluid.
Lebel just really hopes to deny the existence of any Jihad, and supposes that if can–plausibly or implausibly–cast doubt on its existence in one or two cases that the filthy Infidels here will come to believe that it is just a phantom made up by “Islamophobes”.
Lebel says
Right, this is the equivalent of a online newspaper from Honduras having information on the identity of the Boston Marathon bombers. There is nothing “salient”. The responsible thing is to wait until official information or other GERMAN sources confirm rather than post some internet paper OUTSIDE of the country of concern.
gravenimage says
There is no doubt that this article is of interest–certainly, as always, one hopes for multiple reliable sources.
But the idea that stories can only be accurately sourced from the country of origin is not necessarily the case–one occasionally finds American stories more fully covered in the British or Canadian press than locally.
Of note, of course, is that Lebel does not even bother to deny that his goal here is to cast doubt on the threat of Jihad in general. he is just hoping that this one story will give him an in.
Just ignore the tsumani of Jihad terror attacks in Germany and the rest of the West, you filthy Infidels.
Carlos says
Look, imbecile, the German authorities know goddamn well who this POS was and his religious ID. If he’d been anything but a Muslim, they’d have jumped on that news in a nanosecond! The fact they won’t even give his name tells you all you need to know. Remember, the chief of police in Cologne was forced to resign after it got out that he was handcuffing his own Polizei in their ability to deal with Muslims who rape German women. This is a nation that has succumbed to PC & Holocaust guilt and is on a fast track to becoming a nationwide caliphate!
Buraq says
@ Lebel
Oh dear, Lebel. Looks like your smug, little snipe about JW readers jumping to conclusions is unraveling fast! And as I said in my post to you on an earlier thread; the moment we hear of a vehicle steered into a crowd of innocents, Islamic jihad automatically comes to mind given the sickening regularity of such events throughout Europe.
You really must stop making apologies for Islam. You’re beginning to look foolish. Don’t you feel ashamed? Is it comfortable to know that everyone thinks you’re a clown because you defend the indefensible?
Ashley says
And as I said in my post to you on an earlier thread; the moment we hear of a vehicle steered into a crowd of innocents, Islamic jihad automatically comes to mind given the sickening regularity of such events throughout Europe.
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Indeed. This was clearly a terror attack and I don’t give a rat’s ass whether or not the driver had mental health issues. He deliberately mowed down a crowd.
That said, I don’t have enough information to determine that this was in fact an ISLAMIC JIHAD attack. I am inclined to suspect it was but that doesn’t make it a fact.
I don’t see any reports that the driver was a Muslim migrant. I did not know that the driver had accomplices. I thought it was reported that he acted alone but I will need to check…
I don’t see the harm in questioning sources and content. This story has changed in the past 30 hours and I suspect it will keep changing.
Right now I’m concerned about these “accomplices.” Have they been identified? Apprehended?
JM says
Exactly.
In the good old days (before Merkel’s open invitation to Islam in 2015), Europeans with mental health issues tended to kill themselves quietly at home. Now, for some reason that the police, government, and leftist media can’t wrap their heads around, mentally ill people are ramming as many innocent people as possible using vans and heavy trucks. During the same period, Europe has been swamped with Muslim migrants and so-called “war refugees”. Might there be a connection, Watson?
Maybe history books a few hundred years from now will date historical events as Before Merkel (BM) and After Merkel (AM). Unless of course the barbarians storm the gates, in which case those surviving dhimmi slaves who are allowed to attend school will be using the Muslim calendar era. Of course, the Year of the Hijra might be adjusted from 622 AD to 2015 AD, to coincide with the Merkel Trojan Horse that proved so beneficial to Islam. So After Merkel and the new Hijra would effectively be the same date.
Can dhimmified Western European political leaders be recalled in a no-confidence vote called for by a referendum? Even the average Western European is starting to wake up at this point.
Carlos says
Recall vote, you say? It’s the pathetic German voters who keep REELECTING Merkel, no one else!
Lebel says
You’re right Buraq, f**k the truth, they’re all Muslims in the end.
Kay says
You are ridiculous Lebel.
Ashley says
C’mon Kay. Lebel is just offering up his perspective. I’m sure even Robert appreciates a dissenting voice now and then…it keeps things interesting. If we were all on the same page day after day after day things would get pretty stale around here.
Lebel is no Ibrahim. A few of Lebel’s posts have even given this staunch anti-jihadist food for thought. He does not sway my position in the least but I certainly wouldn’t want him to feel silenced.
gravenimage says
Ashley, there is no doubt that Lebel is more articulate and intelligent than Ibrahim itace muhammed.
Ashley says
LOL, Graven!
Glad you aren’t angry with me. IMO, Lebel makes some astute observations.
I have a sneaky hunch he isn’t even a Muslim. I think he just likes to fuck with our heads…
Kay says
Of course it isn’t dissent or disagreement that I object to. Many posters disagree here, respectfully or otherwise.
I object to the sly way Lebel uses insinuation to cast a wide character assassination—most likely with the intention of discrediting any and all concern about Mohammeden attacks.
gravenimage says
Of course I’m not upset, Ashley. And Lebel is quite sharp–but he uses that intelligence to try to undermine any opposition to the horrors of Jihad.
I also agree that there is a good chance that he is not Muslim himself. I have called him a Muslim apologist, but not all of these are Muslim themselves.
He has said that he *hates* Jihad Watch–not that he disagrees with this or that story being deemed Jihad. Why would someone hate those who oppose such savagery? This says nothing good about him, whatever his motivations.
And Kay, your points are spot on.
gravenimage says
Once again, Lebel is pretending that Jihad does not exist, and is all ginned up by those awful “Islamophobes”.
This specific case may or may not be a Jihad terror attack; Muslim apologists like Lebel don’t want us to look at any of these incidents.
He would have us believe that all 32,000+ Jihad terror attacks–save the three incidents in all the time he has been here that he has given his stamp of approval to as being Jihad–are just random violence. Nothing to see here, you filthy Infidels…
Lebel says
“Oh dear, Lebel. Looks like your smug, little snipe about JW readers jumping to conclusions is unraveling fast! ”
Yes that Romanian source has me shaking in my boots. Strange no one in Germany is reporting it. I am guessing they are all part of the conspiracy to protect Islam while that Romanian source managed to get through the censors.
Seriously, why do I get stuck with these jihadwatchers? Where’s GravenImage when you need her?
John Hawk says
You are right, he was probably a Buddhist. Why anyone would suspect he was a Muslim is truly a mystery.
Lebel says
you can suspect all you want but we need evidence to establish fact. Right now we have none.
WESTPAC Spy says
“Strange no one in Germany is reporting it.”
Are you brain dead? The same authorities who refused to report the mass sexual assaults on New Year Eve in Cologne, Hamburg, and other large German cities, and you find it strange that that they’re not identifying this guy as a Muslim?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/its-not-only-germany-that-covers-up-mass-sex-attacks-by-migrant-men-swedens-record-is-shameful/
If he is Muslim of Kurdish origin that’s exactly the kind of thing they’d hush up. It would be strange if they did release that information to the press, and even stranger if the press would report it.
I agree with Karen; you are ridiculous. You really do have your head in the sand, and studiously avoid becoming informed. In Sweden the government and the press operate under the same rules. They will not identify Muslim “migrants” when they commit crimes. They will refer to them as Swedes. As if ethnic Nordic types have all of a sudden developed a taste for gang rape, a crime that was all but unheard of in Sweden before the leftists in power opened the immigration flood gates.
A group of asylum seekers were taking the ferry from Stockholm to Helsinki about a year back. As Muslim asylum seekers have a wont to do, they gang raped a woman on the ferry. How did the press identify the assailants. They weren’t Swedish citizens. They didn’t have legal resident status. Their asylum request hadn’t even been approved. They were in all respects citizens of their countries of origin. No matter, the press called them Swedes.
Lebel says
“If he is Muslim of Kurdish origin that’s exactly the kind of thing they’d hush up. ”
Yeah, so you’re never wrong. If they say he is not, he is. And if they say he is, he is.
See what you did here? ALL rapes, vehicular attacks, knifings, etc are now automatically all done my Muslims because when there’s a massive coverup.
WESTPAC Spy says
Yes, there is a massive cover-up, genius. The 2016 New Year’s Eve cover-up was, in fact a cover-up. At first the police and other government officials denied anything untoward took place in Cologne, or Hamburg, or Berlin. They said it was a quiet night. Then it became obvious they were lying as girls an women who were assaulted by gangs of what they described as Arab or North African men came forward. The truth finally became became undeniable.
What’s the term for it when city and police officials conspire to deny that massive gangs of Muslim immigrants commit mass sexual assault in cities across Germany.
Oh, yeah, that’s right. Cover-up.
In Sweden it’s worse. These same kinds of mass sexual assault have happened at music festivals and other public events. And the reaction of the Swedish government. They warned the police not to identify the perpetrators because that would be racist.
There’s a term for that. It’s on the tip of my tongue. Oh, yeah, cover-up. The “intersectional feminists” who run Sweden insist the problem is men in general, not a particular culture. That’s why their reaction to what happened in Germany was so interesting. They were appalled that German authorities finally did admit what happened and identified the perpetrators. They irrationally insist that German men have acted just as badly at Oktoberfest. Not according to the German police, who when they were finally forced to admit to their failed COVER-UP described what happened on New Year’s Eve 2015/2016 as something entirely new that they were totally unprepared for. If German men really did act that way, the police would have had some experience dealing with this behavior. But German men don’t. Swedish men don’t. But the “intersectional-feminist” government of Sweden is forced to live in their bubble because their “intersectionality” tells them that Muslims are the real victims. So if forced to choose between dealing harshly with Muslim rapists or protecting the women and girls they victimize, they throw the women and girls under the bus. Then they COVER-UP the extent of the Muslim “migrant” crime wave.
In Egypt you can actually talk about this aspect of Islamic “culture.” In Arabic it’s called Taharrush Gamea. Usually it’s translated as the “rape game.”
http://www.egyptindependent.com/678-sexual-harassment-movie/
“Every time an Egyptian woman leaves her house she must make a lot of calculations. What should she wear? Are her clothes too revealing or too tight? What she is going to ride in and should she walk alone in the street or have a man accompany her? All precautions have to be considered in private in order to minimize her chances of being groped or harassed in public.
The new movie “678” is a tour de force about this very subject. It offers a succinct depiction of the plight endured by millions of Egyptian women who deal with sexual harassment on daily basis in a highly misogynistic society…”
It doesn’t always end with harassment or groping. The pattern is that the men form two circles around their intended victim. The inner group attacks the girl, sometimes groping her through her close, sometimes stripping her, an sometimes raping her. The outer circle prevents anyone from interfering.
You can talk about it Egypt. You can make a movie about it. Here in the West we have a COVER-UP and call anyone who knows about this aspect of Islamic “culture” names.
“…Sami is an upper-class artist, living with her handsome husband, Sherif, in an opulent mansion in Cairo. Sherif is a fervent football fan and decides to take his wife to a match. Amazed by the Egypt’s victory, the couple walks out of the stadium with the crowd whistling and raising Egypt’s flags.
But this jovial moment turns into one of the most dramatic junctures in Sami’s life when she suddenly gets trapped in an all-male crowd without her husband. In a dimly-lit slow-motion scene, trapped Sami shouts her husband’s name as the men grope her body.
Shocked by the scene, Sherif abandons his traumatized wife and, in her disappointment at his reaction, Sami asks for a divorce. In the meantime, her parents dissuade her from filing a complaint, fearing the social stigma if their daughter goes public. To console her, Sami’s mother reminds her that at least she was not raped… ”
So, yes, all rapes, all “vehicular jihad” attacks, all knife jihad attacks, are committed by Muslims. When the police, municipal, state, or federal authorities refuse to identify the perp, and then say “We may never know the motive.”
That’s the biggest COVER-UP of all. We know the motive. When Michael Adebolajo and friends ran down Drummer Rigby with their car, then mutilated him with their knives and cleavers, Adebolajo had a passer by record his video manifesto in which he explained exactly why he did it. When Nidal Hasan gunned down and killed 13 soldiers on Fort Hood the “Soldier of Allah” had already given a power point presentation in which he explained to his colleagues exactly why he was going to do what he was planning to do. In both Adebolajo and Hasan’s case their manifestos were theologically correct. Their manifestos were unassailable.
When the Army report came out about the shooting, guess what wasn’t in it. Any mention of the killer, Nidal Hasan, and Islam. When you airbrush the actual events out of the report about the shooting, and exactly why the shooter did the shooting, there’s a term for that.
COVER-UP. Notice they didn’t cover-up Dylan Roof’s ethnicity or the reasons why he shot up that African Methodist church. Recall how nobody in the media was shy about identifying James Holmes, and how the media desperately tried to tie him in the the Tea Party. The stupid f***s identified the wrong James Holmes. But if there’s ever a “right wing Christian terror attack” we’ll hear about who did it and why in minutes. When there’s a Muslim terror attack, crickets chirp.
You really are ridiculous. I couldn’t do it; deny the obvious as it unfolds right in front of my face. That’s a real talent you have. I’m glad I haven’t been infected with that talent.
gravenimage says
While Lebel is sneering at the very idea that this may have been a Jihad terror attack, it is notable that Jihadists consider it just that:
“Hours after vehicular attack in Germany, Erdogan says ‘the same thing will happen in France’”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/04/hours-after-vehicular-attack-in-germany-erdogan-says-the-same-thing-will-happen-in-france
Now, this in itself does not prove that this case was a Jihad terror attack, either–but it certainly gives the lie to Lebel’s implication that this is too far-fetched for consideration.
And–more than that–it shows how many pious Muslims are committed to targeting Infidel victims in just this manner.
nicu says
German media say : it was a German – but no name so it was clear he was a Passport – German and nothing more
dreggsofhumanity says
Nothing will change though and I think that is the most important point to make. The real German people are sitting ducks and their gov’t is aiding in their demise. A few candles, teddy bears and on to the next terror attack. The less real Germans around the more likely Merkel will stay in power until she croaks and this stasi bitch will have total enslavement of her people but shshsh don’t speak about it – it’s against the law.
The European says
I think we should honestly stick to the facts.
The man who crashed his van van into a crowd, killing two people and shooting himself, was a native German.
His Name: Jens Alexander R.
Age: 49
Place of birth: Olsenburg (Sauerland, and indeed, if we say someone comes from …we are referring to his birthplace )
Profession: Industrial designer. Once he had been a quite successful designer, winning prizes, registering patents . He became a free-lance designer, made a lot of money (that’s why he could afford to have four apartments). But then his company didn’t sell well, he became depressed and suicidal, started blaming other people for his descent down the social ladder.
Investigations are still under way, but it’s quite obvious that he was not of Muslim origin and that whatever prompted him to commit this heinous crime it was not Islam. Having said this, there is no point in denying that jihad and islamic terror are fact-based realities we are confronted with. Graveinimage is absolutely right about mentioning the 32 000+ jihad terror attacks. Islam is, was and will ever be a violent, intolerant and supremacist belief system that refuses to accept the basic values of our western civilization.
Ashley says
Thank you.
Citations?
Lebel says
According to WESTPAC Spy, this is just proof of a massive cover up. In fact the more evidence that he is NOT a Muslim only proves that he IS a Muslim.
WESTPAC Spy says
Idiot, I said proof of a cover-up is when there’s an actual, identifiable, verifiable cover-up. Anybody can see what I wrote. When Barack Obama’s administration issues a report on the Fort Hood shooting and the report doesn’t mention a thing about Nidal Hasan or the ideology that motivated him but instead talks about generic work place violence, that’s a cover-up.
When Sweden squashes the truth by making it a hate crime to actually make public crime statistics that show gang rape is entirely a Muslim immigrant problem (in ethnically similar Oslo, Norway all violent rapes are committed by “migrants”) that is by definition a cover-up.
When officials across Germany conspire deny that Arab and North African “migrants” committed mass sexual assault, including rapes, on New Year’s Eve 2015/16 despite hundreds of victims coming forward and thousands of witnesses to the mayhem, that’s a cover-up.
When a Muslim kills screaming Allahu Akbar, and leaves a facebook post about how he did it for Allah, Islam, and the Islamic State and the FBI still can’t figure out a motive, that’s a cover-up.
That’s the biggest cover-up of all. When our “dear leaders” and the press decide that Islam simply must not be said to have anything to do with terrorism so they deny the obvious links. No matter how loudly the terrorists themselves tell us that Islam has everything to do with their terrorism.
gravenimage says
+1
WESTPAC Spy says
This is precisely what I was talking about. When it’s a non-Muslim who does something like this we get the details quickly. When it’s a Muslim the me001dia just doesn’t want to cover it. Because of the “racism.”
I recall the “D.C. Sniper” case. The media couldn’t talk enough about profiling when they thought that “typically these spree killings are committed by middle aged white guys.” Then it turned out that the mastermind was a black man named John Allen Muhammad who had joined the Nation of Islam back in 1987, although he didn’t change his surname until 2001.
Then all of a sudden they weren’t such fans of criminal profiling anymore, and most news outlets refused to report his last name was legally Muhammad. And they wouldn’t touch his affiliation with the Nation of Islam with a ten foot pole.
gravenimage says
Yep.
dan christensen says
The elites of the world have committed themselves totally to support the global expansion of islam. To give up this suicidal project and admit its failure is impossible. The elites would rather let their own peoples die than free them form the islamic scourge. So the peoples of Europe must ultimately choose between survival or islamization – the enemies are their own elites and islam.
as140 says
“Investigations are still under way, but it’s quite obvious that he was not of Muslim origin”
How is that obvious? The police has never said that he was not muslim. Why wouldn´t they just say he is christ/atheist/buddhist if he was no muslim?
Remember911 says
Let it go already. Perp was a mentally ill ethnic German, who maybe took inspiration from Islamic vehicular terror attacks to choose his method of murder-suicide, but nothing whatsoever indicates that he was a convert to Islam or born into Islam.
j_not_a says
This guy was, as they always are, known to police and had a criminal records, several arrests and court appearances, they found gas bottle bombs and other kinds of explosives and an AK rifle in one of his apartments (sorry not sure exactly what kind) do normally “deprressed” people usually have things like this?
Sentinel says
From misleading the people, the German government is now actively employing deceit and obfuscation since Merkel’s government is hanging onto power by a slender thread. Being caught lying to the public is the one thing that could bring about her final downfall.
From the outset I never believed he was anything but a Muslim.
The European says
To Sentinel says
Indeed, Angela Merkel’s government is anything but stable and her power base is crumbling. I think that she won’t last for another four years, her chancellorship will end much earlier.
But she is a shrewd politician and she takes no chances. Thus, lying to the public about the identity and the motives of this murderer would be a big mistake, the risk of being caught in such a big lie would be too great. The AFD, many deputies from the CSU and even parlamentarians from the CDU ( her own party) who no longer approve of her politics, would immediately seize the opportunity to bring about her impeachment. So, this time I think we can be sure that Islam didn’t kill and that the killer has not been a Muslim.
JM says
To: Sentinel
You’re right about Merkel being shrewd and taking no chances.
And to be safe, she has made a public show of calling for help from all citizens, in order to shed light on the perpetrator’s motives.
What’s the term for Cover Your A** (CYA) in German?
George says
Nothing precludes this person from being a Muslim jihadi and mentally disturbed at the same time. Most Muslims do not commit jihad, but they are prone to do so under the right circumstances. A depressed jihadi might decide to do himself in and obtain his ration of virgins and a place with Allah while solving his personal issues at the same time..
JM says
To: George
Spot on. Sudden Jihad Syndrome is a panacea that often strikes Muslims who are worried about being untrue to their religion. It’s a one-stop shop for anything that ails the individual. Too bad for us that the sudden jihadist only gets his 72 virgins and bonus little boys at the cost of many infidel lives.
JM says
To: WESTPAC Spy
Excellent summary and analysis of slanted reporting and double standards.
Mockingjay says
I’m not buying this.
– There are good, trustworthy german websites and blogs that have absolutely nothing on this.
( – There may have been some sort of “mix-up”, since a big Kurdish demonstration was scheduled for the day of the attack, in Muenster…?)
Unfortunately, evil can take many forms – as, f.e,, in the case of the “German Wings” plane crash…it’s not always jihad.
Stefan cel Mare says
German media was forbidden to present the case. When police came to that place, they told everybody to not publish on social media about, or else…. Police had isolated the area, nobody had access there. And so on…
Ideologically, Germany today is a communist country. You will never hear the truth from state media.
don vito says
Possibly a case of lugenpresse
nicu says
Muslim crimes are always not reported – at least they try !
Older Canadian says
Really, who would have guessed he was kurdish. Our canadian government has or is still considering selling military weapons to the kurds as they are being constantly attacked by other hostile countries and need assistance.
nicu says
Our mafia clans are ALL Kurdish ! My Place is ruled by 2 Kurdish gangs who sell drugs – I only know criminal Kurdish !
j_not_a says
Kurds are muzlums, mostly sunni, that’s all I need to know about them.
nicu says
German media still LIE to us : he was mentally ill ( aha , again ) and committed suicide !
Stefan cel Mare says
I am romanian. I saw the news from that TV station, B1 TV. In their news about the subject, they present first different news from german sources. In the end, they say according to their own sources, the attacker was a german citizen of kurd origin. This TV station has reporters also in war zones. When CNN said something wrong about different subjects in war zones where they also had reporters, they presented their material and supported with proof. But nobody care about. CNN is the god of news.
There is also a hungarian news about same thing. German citizen of kurd origin.
If it was a right wing person, no matter how mentally ill was, it is impossible to select that target. You will select a target that justify your right wing ideology. It is said that in the van were 2 more persons who run from the scene. Is it possible that the driver was only a tool ?
andra says
It could well be that a kurd is involved. There has been a detention right after the attack and the suspect can be seen on a Video (daily mail), he is definitely not of German origin. In German News they mentioned this detention once at the beginning but after that never again. Maybe he is the guy the Romanian TV refers to.
ed says
NOT A SINGLE PIC OF THE KILLER ????? SO SHOW US ONE AND WE WILL MAKE OUR OWN MINDS UP !
Chand says
He might have been Neo Nazi. German police are raiding places now, including the Reichsbeurger (Citizens of the Reich) group.
Yep. This Reich bugger might have been praying to the Aryan Teutonic God and not Allah.
gravenimage says
Muslim apologist Chand certainly hopes so.
valerie summer says
Some witnesses claimed they saw others get out of the vehicle and run. Perhaps he was actually shot by one of his “mentally ill” accomplices.
Ashley says
I think that initial report has been discounted, Valerie.
No Muzzies Here says
There is a strong incentive for the German police to lie: keeping their jobs in the new, pro-Muslim regime of Kanzlerin Merkel.
Brian hoff says
In 1933 or 1934 the germany Reichstag was burn down by than dutch commies who the SA stormtroop under order found him than place to stay for sometime and make sure he have some pocket money and to ignore his cazy talk of burning down the Reichstag. He later met with the head of the SS saying he alot of gasoline Himmer told him not to worry there will be alot of fuel and gasoline to have than good fire.
JawsV says
Shut-up, Muslim (“defender of islam”). And learn English you Muslim Moron! Can always recognize you by your consistent misuse of “than.” Go to Heck and join your fake prophet!
gravenimage says
UPDATE: The Telegraph reports that the driver had genuine psychological problems, and was neither a Muslim nor a jihadi. The origin of the Romanian TV report, which remains on the Romanian site, is unexplained.
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Thanks for the update, Mr. Spencer. It is this kind of attention to detail that makes Jihad Watch so trustworthy.