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“Historians” “discover” that Queen Elizabeth is related to Muhammad

Apr 7, 2018 3:43 pm By Robert Spencer

This story is so ridiculous that even Britain’s most ridiculous paper, the Daily Mail, ought to be ashamed to publish it. No one could possibly know with the slightest degree of certainty that he or she is descended from Muhammad, which the dhimmi Daily Mail dutifully always refers to as “the Prophet Muhammad,” as if we’re all Muslims now. The main reason why this is so is that it is highly doubtful that Muhammad, as least as he is portrayed in the Hadith and Sira, ever existed at all — as I explain at length in my book Did Muhammad Exist?. Muhammad is supposed to have died in 632, but the earliest biography of him dates from around 750 or 760, and most of the hadith literature from the 800s.

That’s a century-and-a-half gap between the man and the first details of his life. It would be as if the first biography of Abraham Lincoln had just been published a few decades ago, and there were no older written records about him. No one would be able to be sure what was fact and what was legend, and that is exactly the case with Muhammad. His genealogy is as legendary as he is. In light of that, to say that Queen Elizabeth is descended from Muhammad is like saying she is descended from Robin Hood, or Macbeth.

Also, given the status that Muhammad holds in Islam, it became an honor to be descended from him, and numerous people fabricated genealogical records to show that they were of Muhammad’s family. Pakistan, Iran and other Muslim countries are full of sayyids, i.e., people claiming to be descended from Muhammad, but Muhammad is supposed to have been an Arab from Mecca. His descendants may have traveled into Asia and intermarried with Persians and Indians, but it is far more likely that all these sayyids are trying to get ahead in their societies, and that is the sole reason and justification for their claim.

What this story is really all about is the ongoing attempt to make Britons accept Islamization. See, Queen Elizabeth is a relative of Muhammad, old boy, so why are you so “Islamophobic” and opposed to jihad terror, Sharia courts that oppress women, Muslim rape gangs, and the rest of the cultural enrichment that Islam has brought to Britain? Relax: jihad is as British as bubble and squeak!

“Is the Queen related to Prophet Muhammad? Historians believe Elizabeth II is a descendant of the founder of Islam after tracing her family tree back 43 generations,” by Katie French, Mailonline, April 6, 2018 (thanks to Tom):

Historians believe the Queen is a descendant to the founder of Islam – after tracing her family tree back 43 generations.

The claim makes the British monarch a distant ancestor of the Prophet Muhammad.

The findings were first published in 1986 by Burke’s Peerage, a British authority on royal pedigrees.

But the claim has recently resurfaced after a Moroccan newspaper said it had traced the queen’s lineage back to the Prophet.

According to their findings, Elizabeth II’s bloodline runs through the Earl of Cambridge in the 14th century, across medieval Muslim Spain, to Fatima, the Prophet’s daughter.

Although disputed by some historians, genealogical records of early-medieval Spain also support the claim and it has also been verified by Ali Gomaa, the former grand mufti of Egypt….

The study from Burke’s Peerage first officially suggested the Queen’s connection to the Prophet Muhammad.

They claimed the Queen descends from a Muslim princess called Zaida, who fled her home town of Seville in the 11th century before converting to Christianity.

Zaida was the fourth wife of King Al-Mu’tamid ibn Abbad of Seville. She bore him a son Sancho, whose descendant later married the Earl of Cambridge in the 11th century.

But British magazine the Spectator points out Zaida’s origins are ‘debatable’. Some historians believe she was the daughter of a wine-drinking caliph descended from the Prophet. Others say she married into his family….

Abdelhamid Al-Auouni welcomed the news in his piece in Moroccan newspaper Al-Ousboue, writing: ‘It builds a bridge between our two religions and kingdoms.’…

One person on internet forum Reddit rubbished the claims however, writing: ‘This is just propaganda used by the British monarchy to appease the growing number of Muslim subjects.’…

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  1. Mac-101 says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 3:49 pm

    So how does the “City of London” think THEY will control the Muslims once THEY give the country over to them? THEY really think the Muslims are so stupid to remain THIER puppets?

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 7, 2018 at 4:10 pm

      Muslims aren’t the puppets of Infidels–what are you on about?

      • Andy says

        Apr 7, 2018 at 4:28 pm

        What a load of BULLSHIT!!!!!-“Historians” “discover” that Queen Elizabeth is related to Muhammad

        Sounds more like leftie propaganda again to try and numb people to accept the moslem invasion of the UK!

        • Andy says

          Apr 7, 2018 at 4:49 pm

          Katie Hopkins tells Tucker Carlson that London’s mayor must go

        • Andy says

          Apr 7, 2018 at 5:56 pm

          Khan’s London: Lead Surgeon Says Hospital Like Afghan War one, Two More Killed Overnight

          http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/04/05/lead-surgeon-london-hospital-war-zone-two-slaughtered-overnight/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_content=links&utm_campaign=20180405

          Your Majesty,

          Queen Elizabeth II – Defender of the Faith

        • Andy says

          Apr 7, 2018 at 6:00 pm

          Petition

          Create a Freedom of Speech Act and Bring an End to “Hate Speech” laws

          For several years now the government has been infringing peoples’ most basic rights to speak freely on matters, by deeming their speech “offensive” or “hateful” and declaring that such speech, even online, warrants being fined or jailed. This is an outrage.

          https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/203615

        • Lydia Church says

          Apr 7, 2018 at 10:10 pm

          Sounds like another “kahn” job!

        • Save Europe says

          Apr 8, 2018 at 4:30 am

          Agreed Andy. An absolutely shameful and odious piece of supposed journalism. All this vile article achieves is that every Muslim in the UK will now espouse the nonsense that ‘your’ Queen is related to the Proph.

        • Cicero says

          Apr 8, 2018 at 8:22 am

          I agree.
          This supposition has been knocking about for years. Why give this notion prominence and why now ?

          You arer right to question as to why the Daily Mail is publishing this information now ?

          It is to reassure the Muslim Britons that she is really one of them and so they will not attack the British State. The Muslims have awakened. They are conscious , patient and resilient.

          It is only a matter of a generation before Sharia Compliance is complete.

          It is very sad for those of us who know the true nature of Islam and the true mind set of its believers

        • J D S says

          Apr 8, 2018 at 9:30 am

          How can anyone be related to someone who actually never existed? Hmmmmm..muhammad most likely was just made up to be the “perfect man” by those who wanted to control the whole world…..Has any one ever proved he existed as an actual person…Oh well after 1400 years of this hooey pooey guess we are stuck with it
          But how we DEAL with it is what makes us what we are and so far things aren’t looking so good…A whole continent gone mad and accepting what is against everything that is good. Dear God it’s time…but not your time I guess. Come Jesus!

        • David says

          Apr 8, 2018 at 11:33 am

          Does anyone one remember a few weeks ago, the British were told that we are all descended from black people? I think it’s all a whitewash personally.
          If the Queen is a Muslim, let’s hope she is the right sect, because they all hate each other anyway.

      • Mac-101 says

        Apr 7, 2018 at 9:17 pm

        If you haven’t noticed, the rulin Elites kiss their butt and penalize the Native born. Ignore their law breakin while prosecuting their Citizens for Hate Speech merely stating the obvious. Every terrorist act is used to expand the police state.
        .
        In addition Europe WILL be Muslin in a generation or two or a major civil war will break out with much bloodshed. Why? You don’t think the Elites know this and want it to happen for some reason?

        • Richard says

          May 7, 2018 at 8:06 pm

          Of course, the obvious answer to craving a civil war is so the elites can gain greater – or absolute – power, as they are fighting Trump here. I believe I was Gladstone who said “Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel” Emergencies are a great excuse for “emergency laws” that somehow never get rescinded. The English have excellent genealogy. If someone was descended from Mohammed, it would have been brought out long ago.

      • Yokel says

        Apr 8, 2018 at 9:59 am

        @ gravenimage (Apr 7, 2018 at 4:10 pm)

        Muslims aren’t the puppets of Infidels–what are you on about?

        We live in a world where perception is everything, and true fact is nothing. The “Left” are importing all these “asylum seekers” and other “victims” in order to do the Left’s bidding and dirty work. This much is clear from the public pronouncements of one Tony BLiar and those who surrounded him when he was British PM. One of them admitted that they had gone round the world looking for migrants they could admit in order to “rub the right’s noses in diversity”.

        When looking at the Left, and trying to understand why they are importing these people, a number of “desirable” attributes come to mind:

        Don’t think, just do as they are told (Submission is their name)
        Riot on command (Hair trigger offended)
        Strong herd instinct
        Aggressive
        Bully (believe that their rights transcend all else)
        Love welfare benefits (so instantly available when “enforcement” manpower needed)
        Vote Left
        Knife skills well practised by slaughtering animals for their festivals

        You may think of others to add to the list.

        The fact that Muslims do not see themselves here to do the Left’s dirty work does not matter to the Left. To the Left, the Left’s perception of the Left is their ruling perception.

        The only perception of any interest to the Muslims, of course, is that the Left is here to facilitate the Muslim’s “religious” requirement to take over the whole world by force if necessary.

        The two perceptions are completely incompatible, but at present live in different worlds. At some stage they will have to confront each other, and it will then be bloody. In the meantime, the Left will continue to know that it is all part of their cunning plan to install communism everywhere, just as they have known in recent past.

        • Mac-101 says

          Apr 8, 2018 at 2:02 pm

          Thank you for responding to Graven for me. Well said!

        • Carol (the 1st) says

          Apr 9, 2018 at 10:04 pm

          Canada Free Press has a very good article about how Globalism is internationalized collectivism and sells itself by peddling ASYMMETRIC INFORMATION (didn’t the EU mean backpacking without hindrance thru Europe to the average person?):

          The Humanitarian Hoax of Globalism
          https://canadafreepress.com/article/the-humanitarian-hoax-of-globalism?

        • gravenimage says

          May 7, 2018 at 8:12 pm

          No, I don’t believe that Muslims are the victims of the mean old West.

          Islam has been a threat to Infidels for 1400 years now.

    • maghan says

      Apr 8, 2018 at 6:50 am

      Anything to safeguard that big oil spigot and arms selling to Saudi Arabia. By the way, the fools don’t know that all humans are at most 16th cousins. That would mean that Stalin and Nancy Pelosi are related.

      • Mac-101 says

        Apr 8, 2018 at 2:06 pm

        I wish it was just about disgusting excessive profits. However, Yokel sums it up quite well two post above this one!

  2. Diane Harvey says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 3:58 pm

    So she wears all those silly hats to conform to the traditions of her Islamic faith? Wow, who knew?

    Her official title – By the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith – will need a few amendments.

    • Shmoovie says

      Apr 7, 2018 at 4:27 pm

      Defender of which faith is being seen to.
      Didn’t nutty Charlie say something about changing the wording to “faiths”?
      Would love to hear Coward’s take on this foolishness.

  3. Hari Singh says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 4:01 pm

    Both lineages, that of the British monarch and that of Muhammad have a proclivity to chop off heads,LOL. Another reason to depose the monarchy and all other parasitical peers and declare the UK a Republic, where the people control immigration.The next step to Brexit is to declare the UK a Republic with no House of Lords.
    Brits are not citizens, they are subjects of the Crown.

  4. gravenimage says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 4:01 pm

    “Historians” “discover” that Queen Elizabeth is related to Muhammad

    The findings were first published in 1986 by Burke’s Peerage, a British authority on royal pedigrees.
    ……………………….

    This bit of idiocy has been floating around for a few decades now, and when it first came out was probably just one of those “famous people related to other famous people” things.

    As Robert Spencer notes, the Muslim world is full of claims of being related to the “Prophet”. This should be taken no more seriously than medieval nobles who claimed to be descended from fairies.

    More:

    Historians believe the Queen is a descendant to the founder of Islam – after tracing her family tree back 43 generations.

    The claim makes the British monarch a distant ancestor of the Prophet Muhammad.
    ……………………….

    Uh…no, it doesn’t. Even if we took this twaddle at face value–which would be idiotic–this would make the “Prophet” Muhammad a distant ancestor of the Queen, not the other way around.

    This just shows the shoddy quality of the Daily Mail.

    • Linda says

      Apr 7, 2018 at 6:38 pm

      It is fake news.

    • gabi says

      Apr 8, 2018 at 3:12 am

      Even if this story is true – Queen Elisabeth II related with mohamed via Zaida (if Zaida existed, if mohamed existed) THEN this should be a shame for all muslims in the world, because this Zaida-woman was an apostate and – as quran says – she (Zaida) had to be killed by any muslim of the world. Oh, so splendid using two or more standards in this matter!!! Anyway, I don’t buy it!!

  5. mortimer says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 4:08 pm

    MOHAMMED is a largely and perhaps even mostly FICTIONAL and MYTHOLOGICAL character similar in that way to the figures of ROBIN HOOD and KING ARTHUR.

    No one can be certain if those LEGENDS actually existed.

    The fact that many people BELIEVE the MOHAMMED legends does not PROVE the legends to be true. That is a fallacious BOOTSTRAP argument. They use HEARSAY records 200 years after Mohammed to prove he existed. In fact, HEARSAY evidence is rejected by courts and most historians.

    Mohammedans use the “Appeal To Widespread Belief” (Bandwagon Argument) to show that Mohammed existed: Clearly, the popularity of an idea is no guarantee that it’s right.

    • Indiana Tom says

      Apr 7, 2018 at 7:52 pm

      I am not a Muslim fan, but it gets difficult to prove if some of the Bible characters actually existed or existed in the format of which we think of them currently.

      • Wellington says

        Apr 7, 2018 at 8:43 pm

        Who cares? Biblical characters, even if fictional, don’t inspire Jews and Christians to kill in the name of their faith, or desire to conquer all the earth, or not apply a Golden Rule for all, or in any way destroy freedom. Sorry, but your comment is effectively and essentially irrelevant.

        • David says

          Apr 8, 2018 at 11:39 am

          Well said, Wellington. Whatever the history of anything, the current problem is the Islamic belief of world domination through murder and mayhem. That is what we need to deal with. We do know how to deal with it, but know one is prepared to do that.

  6. Isntlam says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 4:31 pm

    I always thought it looked like an honor killing the way she did in Diana.

    • JawsV says

      Apr 8, 2018 at 9:02 am

      The Queen didn’t “do in” Diana. That’s ridiculous.

    • David says

      Apr 8, 2018 at 11:55 am

      Isntlam, I like your name! That is an interesting slant! Diana might have married a Muslim, so it wouldn’t have been a dishonour really, would it? Ha, gotcha!

  7. De Doc says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 4:40 pm

    In other news she’s also related to Achilles and Beowulf.

    • Indiana Tom says

      Apr 7, 2018 at 7:49 pm

      Given that the family tree and spun off relatives grows geometrically as past generations are noted, and this would not be a totally ridiculous statement.

      • Georg says

        Apr 7, 2018 at 8:58 pm

        “…family tree and spun off relatives grows geometrically as past generations are noted…”

        Right. Tracing someone’s lineage back 42 generations makes their relation to any particular individual laughable. Just going back 10 generations would give any person over 2,000 ancestors all contributing equally to their genome. It is therefore demonstrated it isn’t reasonable, in any sort of practical sense, to say someone is descended from a given individual who lived 42 generations ago. Ok, so they are perhaps some millionths or less related to them. It’s meaningless, unless one pretends it isn’t. Which touches upon the astute analysis Robert makes of this assertion and its associated intent. It is an ideological not practically factually statement to say she’s related to the Desert Gangster. The two individuals could hardly be more antithetical to one another, and no calumny or dissimulation will ever change that.

        • Andy says

          Apr 8, 2018 at 4:14 pm

          Sadiq is such a Khant!!!

  8. gravenimage says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 4:49 pm

    Pious Muslims still want to murder her, though:

    “UK: Muslim migrant talks of shooting Jews, killing the ‘old woman Elizabeth,’ launching jihad massacre”

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/04/uk-muslim-migrant-talks-of-shooting-jews-killing-the-old-woman-elizabeth-launching-jihad-massacre

  9. elee says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 4:49 pm

    The crown should sue for libel.

  10. Wellington says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 5:08 pm

    On a related topic, the Queen has done and said NOTHING as her nation descends into a non-free country and is inundated with followers of the worst religion ever created by man. Elizabeth by now should have risked all and spoken out about the fact that when she ascended the throne in 1952 the UK was a free nation and now it is not. Shame on her and all the Royal Family for this failing. Frankly, I don’t give a flying you-know-what what Kate Middleton or her husband William or his brother Harry or that exceedingly foolish heir to the throne, Charles, have to say or do about anything (let alone what they’re wearing which the MSM remains stupidly enthralled about).

    And I need no comment to the effect that I don’t understand British Constitutional Law and the monarch’s role in it. Oh yes I do, and I say to all those asserting so tirelessly yet again the specific role of the monarch in the modern UK constitutional structure, that said structure is presently and obviously MASSIVELY deficient and by now the Queen should have defied this obviously very broken constitutional structure and spoken directly to her people about the menace to any free nation which is the Islamic religion.

    Hasn’t happened. And so shame on the House of Windsor (actually the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha) for this. Deep and profound shame. The Queen has let her nation down as has all the Royal Family. One knows this or should know it. And please, no more British constitutional theory about the role of the monarch in the modern UK state because such theory is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 7, 2018 at 5:16 pm

      Yes–she needs to speak out about what is being allowed to happen to Britain.

    • Vlad says

      Apr 7, 2018 at 9:11 pm

      OIL is KING OF KINGS (and QUEENS)
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Yamamah_arms_deal

    • Georg says

      Apr 7, 2018 at 9:16 pm

      She should join Generation Identity.

    • JawsV says

      Apr 8, 2018 at 9:06 am

      They’re Germans. Lady Diana Spencer was more English than the German family she married into.

  11. Mike says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 5:35 pm

    Genetically speaking we are all related but not all religiously related.

    • dan christensen says

      Apr 8, 2018 at 3:29 am

      We are all descendants of “Lucy”, a relatively small pygmy from Africa. This was proved by a song of the Beatles; “Lucy in the sky – with diamonds”.

      • gravenimage says

        May 7, 2018 at 8:16 pm

        Actually, “Lucy” was named for the Beatles song, which happened to be playing at the time of her discovery, not the other way around.

  12. No Muzzies Here says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 5:35 pm

    “The claim makes the British monarch a distant ancestor of the Prophet Muhammad.” In other words, the Queen lived in or around AD 600. Obviously it’s not only Americans who are destroying the king’s English.
    But it doesn’t matter. When the Queen retires, the heir to the throne will be rushing to turn the UK Muslim as soon as he possibly can.

    • Westman says

      Apr 7, 2018 at 6:28 pm

      Maybe there is something to this. The Crown Prince does like to dress up as a Saudi and play with his dagger…

  13. Halal Bacon says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 5:36 pm

    Say what you want, the Queen is a dutiful Monarch whom respects both the colonies and the citizens of the commonwealth.

    • Wellington says

      Apr 7, 2018 at 7:36 pm

      Dutiful to the point of complete abnegation of common sense and the will to see her own nation survive. If this constitutes duty, then to hell with duty. Time is way overdue to override duty because duty just ain’t addin’ up to much.

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 7, 2018 at 9:29 pm

        Yes–and surely, protecting her own people is–or should be–recognized as a greater duty.

  14. Mike says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 5:45 pm

    Prince Charles constantly defends Islam .https://www.meforum.org/articles/other/prince-charles-of-arabia

  15. Mike says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 5:47 pm

    Prince Charles constantly defends Islam . https://www.meforum.org/articles/other/prince-charles-of-arabia

  16. Mike says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 5:49 pm

    Prince Charles constantly defends Islam https://www.meforum.org/articles/other/prince-charles-of-arabia

  17. Yohanan says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 5:53 pm

    This is celebrity non-news.
    Genealogists and geneticists have shown that pedigree collapse includes ancestors from distant trees and branches. People are all distantly related.
    https://phys.org/news/2013-08-dna-earth.html

  18. Mike says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 5:54 pm

    Prince Charles constantly defends Islam so maybe the next king might be a muslim
    https://www.meforum.org/articles/other/prince-charles-of-arabia

  19. Linda says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 6:46 pm

    A lot of white people are descended from neanderthals. Maybe the Queen is related to neanderthals way back, too. I remember reading that Muslims used to take sex slaves back in the day when they were conquering parts of Europe. This would mean that we may have relatives in Muslim countries that we have never met and didn’t even know exist. How’s that for a shocker?

    • Indiana Tom says

      Apr 7, 2018 at 7:42 pm

      Maybe the Queen is related to neanderthals way back, too.
      About all Caucasian folk have neanderthal DNA.

      • Linda says

        Apr 7, 2018 at 10:25 pm

        A report that the Queen may be related to Mohammed is about as news worthy as a report that she may be related to Neanderthals.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 7, 2018 at 10:28 pm

          🙂

  20. Indiana Tom says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 7:40 pm

    Historians believe Elizabeth II is a descendant of the founder of Islam after tracing her family tree back 43 generations,”
    Well, Elizabeth II is related to me as well if you rewind the video tape to Brian Boru.
    Go back 40 or 50 generations and you will find out you are related to a heck of a lot of people.

  21. Elisha says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 7:49 pm

    “… to Fatima, the Prophet’s daughter.”

    It appears that the child rapist’s DAUGHTER wasn’t even off limits!

    https://www.islam-watch.org/authors/117-ghalib/1684-the-ideal-father-daughter-relationship-between-muhammad-and-fatima.html

  22. True kafir says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 8:44 pm

    I am not surprised, considering all the women he married and raped.

  23. Arthur says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 8:47 pm

    Well this is confusing to me.

    If Queen Elizabeth is descended through maternal inheritance from the ‘prophet’ Mohamed, then it probably doesn’t mean much, because Islam clearly emphasizes paternal lineage, right?

    If Queen Elizabeth is descended through maternal inheritance from the ‘prophet’ Mohamed she should, nonetheless, be considered a Muslim by Islamic law, right? The fact that she espouses to be Christian must therefore be shirk or apostasy, I would conclude. Sharia calls for death for all apostates, right?

    Bottom line, if Queen Elizabeth is going to be linked to ‘prophet’ Mohamed genealogically, then she should probably profess the UK as a safe place for all Muslim apostates, right? That might be a message worth broadcasting–if only it were true.

  24. Georg says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 9:02 pm

    ‘It builds a bridge between our two religions and kingdoms.’…

    No, it doesn’t. Get a clue. Someone needs to read his Koran as it is quite explicit (and redundant) on this.

  25. Ibrahim itace muhammed says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 9:20 pm

    Then she Will abandon the darkness of pagan christianity inspired by the Satan and Come to Light in Islam

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 7, 2018 at 9:27 pm

      We all know what Ibrahim itace muhammed considers “light”–“marrying” small children, raping Infidel women and using them as sex slaves, murdering gay people and apostates, and mass slaughtering any who do not submit to the horrors of Islam.

      And “the Satan”? Opposing any of this bloody savagery.

    • Wellington says

      Apr 7, 2018 at 9:47 pm

      There is no light in Islam, Ibrahim, only perpetual darkness and ignorance.

      Besides, look around you. At your computer for instance, or your television, or perhaps the car outside you own or lease, or the DVD player you might have, or the plane or train you might take sometime in the next month or so, or the modern medical procedure you could need to save your life, or the electric lighting you have whenever you want it, or refrigeration, or air conditioning (a good thing to have in Nigeria you know), or your telephone, or cell phone, or the development of calculus, or the scientific method, or the many kinds of weaponry that only the West came up with, or the ability to extract petroleum from the ground and use it for sundry purposes, or…, or…, or……

      Yes, all developed by the Judeo-Christian West while the Islamic world has developed virtually nothing for hundreds upon hundreds of years. Gee, why is that? Are you going to resort to the colonialism argument, which has become nothing more than an excuse masquerading as an argument (besides, the Islamic world also engaged in colonialism—-big time)? Yes, what excuse can you come up with to explain why the Judeo-Christian West, which you hate and think Satan-inspired, has been so productive and the Islamic world has done didly shit for eons now? Indeed, what is your Allah up to? Or has Allah been sleeping on the job? Or maybe Allah is a massively incompetent deity. Or perhaps there is no Allah (my personal choice).

      Your turn, Ibrahim.

      • Ibrahim itace muhammed says

        Apr 7, 2018 at 10:00 pm

        Wellington, your Masters the evil zionists Will tell you that muslims are surpassing them in inventions. Fools !!

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 7, 2018 at 10:26 pm

          Well, yes–“Zionists” would be foolish if they said that Muslims are surpassing Jews in inventions, since it is so patently ridiculous. Here are Jewish Nobel Prize winners:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

          Compare this to the whopping *three* Muslims who have won Nobel Prizes for the sciences, of whom one is Ahmadi, and has been denounced as a “heretic” by his own nation of Pakistan.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_Nobel_laureates#Sciences

          Never mind that there are many times more Muslims than Jews in the world.

          By the way, a single American university–my alma mater, UC Berkeley, a school with just 30,000 students–has far exceeded that of the entire Muslim world population of 1.6 million, with 104 Nobel Prizes.

          What are those Muslim inventions, again?

        • Wellington says

          Apr 7, 2018 at 11:31 pm

          Well, Ibrahim, I mentioned many specific developments and inventions of the Judeo-Christian West and you responded with ZERO examples of Muslim developments and inventions while still claiming such. Sorry, pal, but generalizations without examples are worthless, rather as Islam is worthless.

          In fact, I challenge you to name me one good thing about Islam that can’t be found elsewhere and yet there are many rotten things about Islam (e.g., death for apostasy and the sanctioning of rape) that are difficult if not impossible to find anywhere else.

        • dhans says

          Apr 8, 2018 at 10:43 am

          The Nobel Prize is not my favorite indicator of intelligence when you consider that Barrack Obama won a Nobel, but Gandhi never did, despite being nominated three times.

        • Carol (the 1st) says

          Apr 9, 2018 at 11:04 pm

          Ibby is innocently confusing “inventions” with deliberate lies and fabrications.

    • Eur says

      Apr 9, 2018 at 6:41 am

      Ibrahim,
      although you do not conceive it … a person can live without having beliefs or practicing any religion. Muhammad is not a historical character, he is a mythological character. The Bible, the Gospels, the Qur’an, the Hadiths … and other religious books … do not belong to the discipline called history, neither does Jesus belong … simply because there are no historical records that support his existence … only Faith. We can say, without fear of making mistakes … Mohammed, Moses, Jesus, Abraham … did not exist … at least not in the way religious texts define them (Moses and Abraham never existed in any way) . There must be physical records, non-religious written texts from different sources … which endorse the existence of a character to ensure that it existed. No, Muhammad did not exist, not even as a crazy person who thought he was speaking and being a messenger of God … it is a later invention, much later than the Arab invasions.
      Moses for example is a compendium of Egyptian myths and tales and Abraham is a mythological character that already existed in Sumerian. The Jews inherited those myths, also the societies of the Indian valley.
      And that is how the Abrahamic religions have been formed, mixing mythological tales of Sumerian, Egyptian, Babylonian … the Jews judeized all that and the Arabs Arabized it in the Koran. Everything is stories … everything. It is incredible that today people remain so fundamentalist I understand that they need to believe in the afterlife and in the existence of a god … but please, Islam, Judaism, Christianity … they are all stories . I do not criticize the character of Jesus that seems to me the most acceptable of all the Abrahamic religions … but it is obvious that it did not exist either. Jesus is another invention.

  26. Lydia Church says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 10:11 pm

    Er…. yeah….via Adam and Eve! And Noah.

  27. Unknown says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 10:37 pm

    One thing that Spaniard did really well was to expell Moors and they fled to Morocco, Egypt, Lybia etc.; therefore, I doubt it is true. But since Moors were descendants from Mohammad but most intermarried with Europeans (Slavic/Romanians etc. that were taken as slaves in Muslim Spain and other women from different countries) so when they were expelled they weren’t fully Arab anymore but still the royal lineage as preserved and Aisha (mother of Boabdil) was descendant from him.

  28. cornelius says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 10:39 pm

    “The claim makes the British monarch a distant ancestor of the Prophet Muhammad.”

    Wouldn’t the claim be that the Prophet Muhammad was a distant ancestor of the British Monarch? Christ, they couldn’t even get THAT right!

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 7, 2018 at 11:27 pm

      Exactly, Cornelius.

  29. George Williams says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 11:06 pm

    There are so many parallels between the Muslim snd the Soviet’s revisionist approach to history as not to be a coincidence. The Muslims are delusional if they truly believe their own claims.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 7, 2018 at 11:28 pm

      Yes–totalitarians always seek to rewrite history.

  30. Kepha says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 11:26 pm

    Actually, during the Crusades, one Seiiyid Aziz ibn Ali ibn Muhammad ibn Abdallah ibn Muhammad ibn Abubekr ibn Ali ibn Abdulrahman ibn Ali ibn Muhammad…………….ibn Muhammad ibn Abdallah ibn Abu Taleb defected, converted to Christianity, married the daughter of a Crusading noble, and relocated to somewhere in Germany where he ultimately became an ancestor of both the Houses of Hanover and Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. He explains why some members of both houses are born with dark hair and a slightly swarthy complexion…

    Sarc.

  31. Kepha says

    Apr 7, 2018 at 11:29 pm

    All kidding aside, I note that the report says that the young lady Zaida converted to Christianity, and I suppose that her son Sancho was born into that faith.

  32. Berengaria says

    Apr 8, 2018 at 12:41 am

    Burke’s Peerage may be leading the way to Islam for the Royals, but, also, it does seem that the Sensitive Prince Harry is heading in the same direction. I believe that he will soon be introducing his African-American Bride to the United Kingdom, but there has been no official notification of The Bride’s Family, being Muslim. Britain is no longer the Britain Of WW11, but Pray that Burke’s Peerage is just spoofing us about Islam!

  33. Baucent says

    Apr 8, 2018 at 4:10 am

    “What this story is really all about is the ongoing attempt to make Britons accept Islamization”

    Exactly Robert, you got it in one.

    • Cicero says

      Apr 8, 2018 at 8:32 am

      This is a resoundingly true statement!

  34. Baucent says

    Apr 8, 2018 at 4:25 am

    These sorts of pop genealogy studies are common whenever a new US President is elected. Some historian rummages around with the archaic records and announces Barrack Obama and George Bush share a common ancestor 20 generations ago. Every US President is also somehow related to the Royal Family, it seems. It’s nonsense.

    • revereridesagain says

      Apr 8, 2018 at 9:12 am

      But it is difficult to “prove” one is descended from imaginary people. Not for a Muslim, mind you, but for rational people that tends to be the case.

  35. Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says

    Apr 8, 2018 at 5:12 am

    Imam Robert writes, “Relax: jihad is as British as bubble and squeak!”

    I have never heard of “bubble and squeak”, and it sound like Cockney rhyming slang, like “trouble” (for “trouble and strife”) is slang for “wife”. But according to Wikipedia,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_and_squeak
    is not Cockney slang at all, but an honest-to-goodness food. It’s part of the famous English cooking that has led to more English restaurants worldwide than any other ethnic cuisine, including Italian, Chinese, and Mexican.

    • JawsV says

      Apr 8, 2018 at 9:12 am

      About Cockney rhyming slang “the trouble and strife” is slang for “wife.” A phrase Eliza Doolittle’s Dad would have used.

  36. Chand says

    Apr 8, 2018 at 6:35 am

    Ha ha ho ho ho ho!!

    Who gives a #*%@ ?
    All monarchs should be overthrown and replaced by republics.

    • WPM says

      Apr 8, 2018 at 8:42 am

      Starting with Saudi Arabia?

    • TL says

      Apr 8, 2018 at 1:47 pm

      Why?

    • TL says

      Apr 9, 2018 at 1:17 pm

      Chand, still waiting for you to explain your revolutionary malice toward “All monarchs”. Please do provide it without more delay. Your explanation needs also to address the well known tendency of republican systems to become totalitarian over their own populations and aggressive toward foreigners. Monarchical systems, on the other hand, have a reputation for despotism rooted mostly in populist propaganda, not in reality.

  37. ronyvo says

    Apr 8, 2018 at 7:16 am

    Hey, I am used to such hilarious crazy pup- ups from Muslims. Their imagination has no limits when it comes to their horrible faith. Remember the one thousand nights and one night?11
    But, non Muslims and the so called historians succumb to such behavior and in the 21st century is beyond me. How far are we going in submitting to Satan??

  38. FYI says

    Apr 8, 2018 at 8:09 am

    Queen Elizabeth :Related to THIS abomination from the religion of darkness,islam?

    muhammed…the “perfect man” who…

    Stoned women for adultery muslim 4206

    Permitted his followers to steal (bukhari 44:668/ibn ishaq 764)
    ..{did mo miss the “thou shalt not steal” commandment?Yes}

    permitted his followers to lie (bukhari 44:857/sahih muslim 6303)
    {…did mo miss the “thou shalt not bear false witness commandment?Yes}

    Slave owner (.. and seller) sahih muslim 3901

    mass murderer of >800 Jews (Abu Dawud 439)0
    {..did mo miss the “thou shalt not kill” commnandment?DEFINITELY YES!}

    polygamist bukhari 5:268

    Child bride Aisha sahih muslim 3309/Bukhari 58:236

    ..and so,so many more vices and Godlesly wicked immoralities including theft from the khaybar Jews,taking the wives of other men{..did mo miss the “thou shalt not commit adultery” commandment?Yes}

    And THIS is the “prophet” muslims follow ,the Sunnah?
    The example of a life of unbridled immorality
    .
    And their commandment-of God violating “holy” koran.
    An instruction manual in how to violate God’s Commandments (and yet be rewarded for doing so!) by their god allah.

  39. Mamo says

    Apr 8, 2018 at 8:35 am

    I think,it is 95% True,. Because Mohammed had white skin, blue eyes and curly hair.the only thing their difference is Mohammed never knew English language and Queen Elizabeth does not speak Arabic language,but no problem.practice makes perfect.

  40. Keith Lewis says

    Apr 8, 2018 at 8:40 am

    Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth 11’s line goes back to King David and therefore is descended from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and not Hagar’s or Esau’s line.

  41. WESTPAC Spy says

    Apr 8, 2018 at 8:46 am

    So, how’s this supposed to work.

    Surah 33:40

    “Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the last of the Prophets. And Allah is Ever All-Aware of everything”

    The word they use for men is rijalun. But according to the medieval scholar ibn Kathir in his Tafsir (commentaries on the Quran) rijalun simply refers to people generally; people who weren’t apostates or hypocrites and who kept their covenant with Allah. So there are variant readings as it’s legitimate to translate it as people, as in men and women both.

    Of course, the Quran is such a hot mess (the whole ideology of Islam is a hot mess) that it’s impossible to make heads or tails out of it. And Muhammad “received a revelation” confirming that the Quran is contradictory and unintelligible.

    Surah 3:7
    “It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise – they are the foundation of the Book – and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. AND NO ONE KNOWS ITS [TRUE] INTERPRETATION EXCEPT ALLAH . But those firm in knowledge say, “We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord.” And no one will be reminded except those of understanding.”

    Allah “sent this down” after some Christians from what is now Yemen completely stumped Muhammad as they left him speechless when they used logic to trap Muhammad because they were able to show that the Quran actually confirms Christ’s deity.

    So Muhammad, if he existed, put this verse in the Quran; that only Allah knows what some verses actually mean. So shut up, Muslims, about those unclear verses.

    And this all is quite literally true as even Muslim scholars have been forced to admit about 20 percent of the Quran is unintelligible. That’s the real reason it can’t be translated. If it can’t be understood in the original 8th century classical Arabic (and no, Muslims, you can’t understand 8th century classical Arabic just because you can read the Qurans written in modern Arabic, any more than I can understand Chaucer in the original Middle English) then it can’t be translated into any other language.

    Notice I said 8th century classical Arabic, not 7th century when Islamic historical mythology says Uthman compiled the Quran. There are no such Qurans. All the oldest Qurans date to at least 70 years after Muhammad supposedly died. But of course there’s no proof he ever lived, let alone had any descendants. Everything we think we know about Muhammad is at least 200 years after he supposedly died. Most is much later than that; i.e. ibn Kathir wrote his Tafsir circa 700 years after Muhammad is said to have died.

    If it’s impossible to prove that a prophet named Muhammad even existed, it’s a joke to imagine that he could be a distant ancestor of the Queen. One humorist upthread said it’s about as important as saying she’s distantly related to Neanderthals. It’s worse than that; we at least have archaeological evidence that Neanderthals existed. We have no archaeological evidence that Muhammad existed. Since the evidence points to the fact that he didn’t exist, he couldn’t have been anybody’s ancestor. We don’t even have any archaeological evidence that Mecca even existed until the 4th century, and we have no documentary or numismatic evidence that Mecca was anything more than an insignificant town for centuries. It certainly couldn’t have been an important trading town, since it’s not on any trading routes and it doesn’t have enough water and certainly any pasturage for camel caravans. And yes, there are maps that show the trading routes and Mecca isn’t on any map until approximately 800 A.D.

    No wonder that the Saudi government is paving over the place with massive construction projects; they’re hiding the evidence that it doesn’t have much if anything in the way of history before Muhammad is reputed to have been born there. And there are archaeological evidence for sites on the Arabian peninsula that date back thousands of years.

    So saying that some fictional character named Muhammad (which is a title that was used by many Arabic speakers including Christian rulers) might be a distant ancestor of the Queen is more like saying she’s descended from space aliens, Sasquatch, or the Loch Ness Monster.

  42. Robert John Bennett says

    Apr 8, 2018 at 8:48 am

    This story is not new. It has been around for a VERY long time.

    As you point out in the article by Katie French that you quote, “The findings were first published in 1986 by Burke’s Peerage.”

    Years ago, when it was first discussed, the story had nothing to do with Islamization. It was considered a way of protecting the royal family from Islamic terrorism.

    Not Muslim terrorist, it was thought, would attack the Queen or any of the other royals if they were related to Muhammad, no matter how distantly.

  43. Politicianophobia says

    Apr 8, 2018 at 10:45 am

    OMG how crazy is this story—EVERYONE knows Louis Farrakhan, the great Muslim scholar, was right when he said “White people are subhumans created by an ancient African scientist. Shocking to see, Ibrahim, the thighing Master, has not yet succumb to syphilis. Take note: syphilis, aids/ HIV are on the rise in Europe. hmmmm how could this have been avoided?

  44. wm1 says

    Apr 8, 2018 at 11:17 am

    What is without debate is her loyalty and allegiance to the Lord Jesus Christ! Should anyone doubt that, just ask her.

    She will, surely, speak for herself and gladly declare “Jesus is Lord!”

  45. JOHN says

    Apr 8, 2018 at 11:28 am

    Before there was “Fake News”, there was “Fake History”. In every free society conquered by Socialists, their operatives hijacked the educational system and attempted to rewrite legitimate, fact-based history using alternative and revisionist history, built on blatant falsehoods based on the “Big Lie” technique. The Soviets did it, the Nazi’s did it (And, both became laughingstocks.) and now, it would appear, the new Totalitarian Socialists have finally succeeded.

  46. Félicien says

    Apr 8, 2018 at 12:20 pm

    The British are willing to accept the idea that the first inhabitants of their island were black (just because scientists say it). They will fall for this rubbish just as easily: the ruling dynasty is of Arab-Muslim origin. So there is, but one thing to do, open the doors to people who finally come home. We have advanced speeches of this type in France unfortunately.

    • TL says

      Apr 8, 2018 at 1:52 pm

      Yes, there is the open borders angle, but consider the story about the Queen’s ancestry from the Windsors’ perspective. It has the advantage of helping to save their house from elimination during the transition to Islamic theocracy.

    • JOHN says

      Apr 8, 2018 at 2:38 pm

      Referring to those Socialist “mental midgets” as “Scientists” is charitable, to say the least.

      • Félicien says

        Apr 9, 2018 at 6:03 am

        Actually, I am enraged, but I did not want to inflict on this site the collateral damage of my anger.

    • Julius Legatus says

      Apr 9, 2018 at 2:31 am

      I was told by a black student that I was no longer “welcome in our Britain”. There have been a number of these incidents during classes I teach. It seems “We wuz kangs” has become “We wuz Chedda manz!” too.

      They are teaching this stuff to British pupils and undergraduates too. In effect its open season on the perceived white “waycist”. My subject is Egyptology and I have been threatened with violence because I tried to show that Egyptian mummies from Predynastic and later were common to the Levant and Anatolia. KV55 (Valley of the Kings) contains DNA shared with 70% of ancient and modern Britons so blowing away this “Chadda Manz” rubbish.

      No this ridiculous claim that Queen Elizabeth was a descendant of MHMD is just one more nail in the European genocide of ‘naughty waycist white men’ and the dispossession of our culture and lands. My wife is black and she is furious and what is being done by HM Govt and BBC.

      We are required to remove ourselves from life and history by BBC Dictum. They hanged Julius Streicher for similar removal of Jewish history in the Third Reich. I hope we get an opportunity to have our current genocidal Socialists tried at a new Nurenburg.

      No better that the Nazis in fact, Indeed it is not 6,000.000 they intend to butcher but one billion. The Left never do things by halves, nor do Moslems.

    • Félicien says

      Apr 9, 2018 at 6:02 am

      I do not want to offend any British, but frankly I think the royal family is secretly converted. There is an irrefutable fact: neither an islamized GB nor the commonwealth will accept a woman as head of state, much less a Christian. I do not know the beliefs of prince Harry’s companion , but we can say already that it is an inter-racial calculation.

      • Yokel says

        Apr 9, 2018 at 6:57 am

        I am British, and not offended by your comment. I do however think that it is only partially true. You might be aware from reading recent books and from observation that there is much intergenerational strife in that family just as in many others. I fear that the monarchy will fall apart on the death of Her Majesty.

        I am convinced that the Queen and Prince Philip remain believing Christians. Equally I am so sure that I am certain (the standard set by the judge when instructing the jury before they retire to consider the evidence in a criminal case) that Charles has secretly converted to Islam, and is hiding it like Obama. I know insufficient about Charles’ offspring to offer any comment on them. The rest of the Royals just do ceremonial things and look photogenic. They have little other function in government.

  47. Mr F Middleton says

    Apr 8, 2018 at 1:07 pm

    There is nothing new here. I saw this in ‘Look and Learn’ magazine when I was about 12. All the Royals of Europe are related to one another, and those on the periphery of Europe to surrounding rulers, like those of Russia, Turkey, Morocco et al.

  48. Benedict says

    Apr 8, 2018 at 2:42 pm

    “Historians” “discover” that Queen Elizabeth is related to Muhammad.
    ……..
    So is terror, murder and mayhem.

  49. Confused Christian says

    Apr 8, 2018 at 5:01 pm

    Islamization of UK is in full swing with attempts to link royal family to the Islam. The more we are ignorant of Islam and Muslims, the quicker we are going down under Islam.

  50. Jack Holan says

    Apr 8, 2018 at 9:32 pm

    BULL

  51. infidel says

    Apr 9, 2018 at 3:36 am

    NO WONDER PRICE CHARLES IS SUCH A DHIMMI… 🙂 :-)..

  52. Sharyati says

    Apr 9, 2018 at 4:50 am

    Can the queen speak Arabic without an accent?

  53. mark says

    Apr 9, 2018 at 10:09 pm

    everything is possible in this world , specially we didn’t hear back from her

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