“By a final vote of 77-70, the House killed the FGM ban in a mostly party-line vote…Last week House Democrats passed a toothless bill that wouldn’t actually ban FGM.”
Why did they do this? Flagrant Islamopandering, trying to get the votes of Maine’s growing Somali Muslim community. FGM is mandated in Islamic law: “Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) (by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the bazr ‘clitoris’ [this is called khufaadh ‘female circumcision’]).” — ‘Umdat al-Salik e4.3, translated by Mark Durie, The Third Choice, p. 64
Why is it obligatory? Because Muhammad is held to have said so: “Abu al- Malih ibn Usama’s father relates that the Prophet said: ‘Circumcision is a law for men and a preservation of honour for women.’” — Ahmad Ibn Hanbal 5:75
“Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said to her: ‘Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.’” — Abu Dawud 41:5251
Unless and until its Islamic justifications, which everyone seems to want to cover up and deny, are addressed, FGM will never be eradicated. Anti-FGM movements will tell Muslim women (and men) about the health risks of FGM, and about how barbaric it is to work to deny women sexual pleasure and try to control them, and none of it will stop FGM. All that will wash over believers and what will be left will be the fact that it is justified in Islam — and that is the one thing the anti-FGM campaigners refuse to address. So they will, unfortunately, never succeed.
“Maine House Democrats Vote to Allow Female Genital Mutilation,” Maine First Media, April 19, 2018 (thanks to Creeping Sharia):
Following swift action from Maine House Democrats on the last day of the legislative session, there will be no Female Genital Mutilation ban in the Pine Tree State.
After months of pretending they wanted to stop the barbaric ritual child abuse of FGM, the Democrat caucus showed their true colors on the issue late Wednesday night.
By a final vote of 77-70, the House killed the FGM ban in a mostly party-line vote. Rep. Cathy Nadeau (D-Winslow) was the only Democrat who crossed the aisle to protect young daughters of immigrants in Maine from this brutal abuse.
You can see a full roll-call vote by clicking here.
Republican Rep. Heather Sirocki of Scarborough points out Democrats voted to kill an FGM Ban in April, which is Child Abuse Prevention Month. And in fact, they did it on the “Week of the Young Child.”
Rep. Sirocki says Maine House Democrats initially decided to table the bill with the intent of letting it cowardly die without the courtesy of a vote. However, supporters of the ban made their voices heard.
“Playing games with a child abuse bill is shameful,” Rep. Sirocki said. “Finally, after hours of phone calls from all over the country and state urging Speaker Gideon to relent, she brought the bill to the Floor at 10:30 pm. The Democrats like to talk about victims’ rights, women’s rights, child advocacy, human rights, and justice — but their votes on this horrific form of child abuse do not back up all of their talk.”
The same FGM Ban bill killed in the House, passed the State Senate 30-5, with only the most far-Left Senators voting against it.
Last week House Democrats passed a toothless bill that wouldn’t actually ban FGM. Rep. Karen Gerrish of Lebanon called the show-vote a sad state of affair for young, female Mainers.
“It was a feel-good vote that I suppose will make it appear that they voted to ban FGM — they did not,” Rep. Gerrish said.
But late Wednesday night the show was over….
Son of the West says
They are monsters, all of them. How can anyone justify this hideousness? Or advocate for it?
Lydia Church says
They can start with themselves in that case!
bodega says
I truly think what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. All of those people who voted for FGM should be circumcised ASAP. Let’s see how long the law is a law.
Those who voted for it are cruel and bestial.
Lastly I think all Somalians must be deported back to their country. No ands, ifs or buts. They do not understand life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
Jd Jones says
Absolutely agree
Kat says
You are so right.We don’t need their crazy, barbaric beliefs in this country.
Leo Palileo says
Circumcision for the male is acceptable but for the female, cutting out the clitoris is insane. That is not the same a circumcision for the male at all. If ever, with no pun intended, the skin covering the clitoris should be cut in the middle so that the clitoris will be exposed same as the circumcision for the male that exposed the glans. Cutting off the clitoris is decapitating. Just saying. Have all of the female Democrats go through what they voted to pass.
John Ceglarski says
AMEN!!!
Tiffany says
I agree this is just horrible at a loss for words God help us help the children
Missy Bartelson says
Circumcision should be the same for the males. Take away their pleasure. Godless heathens.
Tony says
Allah is Satan, Islam is his playground
Jd Jones says
Absolutely. But this FGM MUST BE BANNED BY LAW IN ALL OF AMERICA. The Islamic Muslims can pack their rugs and GET OUT of OUR AMERICA. Go back to your horrific countries and continue their barbaric mutilation practices. And other horrific acts.
Alicia says
I have a good friend that actually lived on the Ivory Coast before she became a citizen of the United States and she had female genitalia mutilation completed on her as a young teenager. Even as her more modern father begged them to stop, they would not.What she endured and described to me from her memory was horrific, no anesthesia, not even pain killers. This , “Procedure,” as they call it, not only caused immediate pain suffering and infection, it also caused much scarring…obviously, which later caused her to have many issues being able to birth her two children naturally, which she did because of her inner strength. I cannot understand why we are changing our laws in America to assimilate to the people coming to our country instead of having them assimilate to our country rules. If they don’t want to assimilate they don’t need to come here!! Was a Democrat when I was young and naive, Now, always a Republican until death………..
Shirley says
Agree 100% True Mainers will be up in arms about this crap! Cruel and barbaric!
Mark says
“But this FGM MUST BE BANNED BY LAW IN ALL OF AMERICA.”
It already is though, and has been since 1996.
FGM isn’t just a Muslim thing btw. Christians do it in some countries, and white Christian doctors in the USA were promoting severe forms of FGM up until the 1960s btw eg
Circumcision of the Female
C.F. McDonald, M.D. – Milwaukee, Wisconsin
GP, Vol. XVIII No. 3, p. 98-99, September, 1958
(“If the male needs circumcision for cleanliness and hygiene, why not the female?”)
Susan B. says
FMG is muslim to the core because islam hates females and female sexuality.
FMG was condoned by mohammad and this is the result in islamic countries. Percentage of females mutilated by country. 98% Somalia, 96% Guinea, 93% Djibouti, 91% Egypt, 89% Eritrea, 89% Mali, 88% Sierra Leone, 88% Sudan. There are so many more islamic countries that practice this. Why, because mohammad thought females were nothing more than sex objects and possesses. Islam the cult of pieces, literally. Slicing and dicing muslim style.
gravenimage says
Your poor friend, Alicia. I am sorry to hear this.
gravenimage says
Mark wrote:
“But this FGM MUST BE BANNED BY LAW IN ALL OF AMERICA.”
It already is though, and has been since 1996.
FGM isn’t just a Muslim thing btw.
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Most of the world’s FGM is done by Muslims–and it is only Islam that sacralizes mutilation of girls.
As for the United States, I have found a single case here–to a girl who masterbated in public. This is horrifying, but hardly points to Christian doctors regularly mutilating girls. And this was never done in the name of Christianity, of course.
Aaron says
No a bad idea
Beth says
For what female mutilation ?
GeeJay says
Every female in congress who voted against needs to make an appointment to have it done. Otherwise it’s ” don’t do as I do, do as I say”.
Marilyn says
How about everyone in the Maine Legislature that voted for this abomination have this done to them…..
mortimer says
Demmies are DHIMMIS.
Momminator says
They’re already so good at taqiyah!
James Wilson says
How can anyone continue to re-elect these monsters to office knowing full-well they are liars and who would do anything for your vote?
Lotacats says
Vote out democrats….they do anything for votes and don’t care who gets hurt and need breaking up. They’re just not American. Just power addicted anti Americans. Anti humanitarian. Child abuse being legalized in this country.
Jeannie Myers says
They don’t I truly believe after what we witnessed this past election, that they rig these state elections because they are not as important.. so they say!
Sally says
Cutting out the female clitoris is eliminating their ability to enjoy sex. That is against God. Totally!!!!!
Marianna says
Why would it elimitate their ability to enjoy sex? Enjoyment of sex comes from vaginal friction and gspot stimulation. And they still have both. Removing the clitoris removes their enjoyment of clitoral stimulation, not sex. Do not make up stuff. Thanks.
Bj says
Do you know from personal experience or just guessing, maybe you should have the procedure done and provide more accurate results and comments
Rick says
Clitoral stimulation is actually part of enjoying sex. Neither one of you are 100% correct. I don’t think she was trying to “make stuff up”. I think she was more trying to make the point that it’s pretty messed up to do that to a young girl.
Missy Bartelson says
Really?? You’re kidding, how many men knew about the gspot or vaginal stimulation? Learn to read and understand bodily functions. The clitoris is the penis for the female. Read about the development of the fetus. depending on the X or Y chromosome you either have the clitorus or the penis. Same genetic source.
Susan says
http://www.healthywomen.org/content/article/whats-key-female-orgasm-during-sex
K Hayden says
You are wrong! Many women get sexual pleasure from clitoral stimulation. There IS medical proof of this. I know from personal experience! Why not go and have yours removed,with no anesthesia, nothing so you can feel the pain and horror of being forced against your will?!! You are part and parcel of the problem. Maybe you should have a lobotomy,the wprld would be a better place .
gravenimage says
The idea that cutting out a woman’s clitoris has no effect on her ability to enjoy sex is *insane*. This is the very reason that Muslims do this.
J D S says
Democrats will continue to pander for the Muslim vote…
Does anyone think the democrazy party gives a hang about mutilation of children or anything sensible for that matter…they just want votes at the expense of decency, security,safety and so many things that America was built on… Why would they want Muslim laws to override our laws is beyond belief……Go ahead democrazy party…..Looks like you want Sharia law also.
They are so upset with President Trump and still frothing at the fact that their candidate lost that they are willing to put American value and our long term way if life in the garbage heap that they will do anything for votes…pandering for the Muslim vote at the expense of. children and most everyone is bad enough…but there are other things that they are willing to do also that when they pan out will be a definite destructive movement…..
Are we going to let it happen???
Mark my words well…America is in for probably our worst time in political history and over the remainder of President Trumps second term, if that actually happens, they will stoop to the lowest ebb ever seen by any politicians.
God help us …we sure don’t seem to be able to help ourselves.
James Kosty says
The Dems will have a Civil War on their hands if they do not stop being insane. And they, being the fools and candyasses, will lose and maybe then our nation will be purged of their lunacy.
Sarah says
Clearly these men aren’t interested in sex or in making their women climax. Just a thought. That procedure messes with a lot of women’s ability to have any kind of enjoyment. It makes sex only to procreate. That’s the basic thought behind it bc to enjoy it would be a sin. Stupid asses.
Marianna says
Really? Enjoyment of sex comes from vaginal friction and gspot stimulation primarily. Female circumcision does not remove these parts. I hope you didn’t mutilate your son’s genitals because that would make you a hypocrite.
Susan B. says
So are you saying that FMG is fine in your opinion? What about the reasons behind this horrid cutting. What about the suffering and infection and problems with having sex or giving birth. Can’t wait to hear your response, it will be interesting to say the least. And what right has anyone got to cut out a girl’s clitoris??
Mark says
She isn’t saying that FGM is fine. She’s saying that male circumcision is also wrong, and that it’s hypocritical to be against one but not the other. Most forms of female circumcision don’t touch the clitoris btw.
Susan says
Do some research. While your statement may reflect your personal experience and that of some women, for the majority of women it does not. And notwithstanding all that, why would anyone approve of such barbarity?
gravenimage says
So Marianna is fine with someone cutting her clitoris out with a rusty blade? What utter insanity.
Danny says
It’s all about the men in their version of what’s important in this world.
Nancy Bush says
Damn liberals need to go, we must remove as many as possible at mid terms, President Trump is one of the few things that is holding the democrats back dems are also going to be running for re-election on the platform of reparations given to dreamers.
Marianna says
Same way many Americans justify the hideousness of strapping down infant boys and removing part of their penis, often without pain medication, for cosmetic purposes?
Susan B. says
Not the same, an equivalent would be cutting off the top of the penis. Please try to stay on topic.
Mark says
I’ve posted a much longer response with a few links, which I’m hoping will be approved, but most forms of FGC do far less damage than the usual form of male circumcision. One common form is removing part of the female prepuce, so the exact equivalent of removing the male prepuce
It’s now illegal to cut off a girl’s prepuce, or to make any incision on a girl’s genitals, even if no tissue is removed , and even if the parents think it’s their religious right or duty. Even a pinprick is banned. Why don’t boys get the same protection? Except in surprisingly rare medical circumstances, everyone should be able to decide for themselves whether or not they want parts of their genitals cut off. It’s *their* body.
Missy Bartelson says
Has nothing to do with the ability to have a climax. Does have something to do with cleanliness. Men who are not circumcised have to make sure they’re clean of they can pass infections to their female partner.
Mark says
Female genitals are harder to clean than male genitals, and they get way more infections down there, but we wouldn’t cut parts off baby girls. Hygiene is about washing, not surgery.
Susan B. says
Actually girls and women who have had FMG may face a greater risk of losing their baby before or during birth. … FGM is associated with increased rates of genital and urinary tract infections, which can contribute to pregnancy complications and in some cases leads to spontaneous abortion.
However, the biggest objection is the reason why this is done which is shameful and disgusting.
gravenimage says
I have a friend and former boyfriend who had to be circumcized as an adult because his foreskin had stopped growing and evenutally became painful. He had more scarring than usual, but said that there was *no* difference in sensitivity.
Whatever one thinks of circumcision for boys, it is *nothing* like FGM.
Carol Rafferty says
I can hardly believe anyone in our country would do this to little babies. Anyone like this you go to Hell. You are nothing but a bunch of sick monsters & you are bringing back the barbaric days everyone has fault against & won!!
Jaynice says
It just goes to show how backwards these idiots are. The clitoris is horseshoe shaped and runs down both sides of the vagina. Removing the exposed part is nothing but a cruel and barbaric tradition.
Skill Serrano says
This is what the Democratic Party has turned into?. They no longer care about fairness and humanity. All they care about is bold, naked power. No matter the means and no matter the consequences. If this article is true, it will be the last fiber of a Party once populated by people of conscience and love for our fellow humans. I pray that what I just read is bogus. I refuse to believe that the Party I once endorsed and worked for has fallen this low.
Jack Holan says
In 2018 the so called and self declared Party Of Womens Rights just threw Women back into the Stone Age, literally!
I hope Women take note and don’t play dumb. It’s too important for them and ALL Women in the US.
abad says
+1
JW_Reader says
And, they still wonder why many women, educated and not so educated, from all across the country, voted for Trump?
Joan says
This is exactly why. America is on the rise again under President Trump. The Democrats have been touched by Satan, and Soros . The Democrats hate women, they hate blacks, they hate Latinos, except for their votes to keep their party flousishing ..They love the Muslims and the Muslim Faith. This move proves it.
Ev says
So true. I can’t believe they weren’t marching in front of the building with their pink virgina hats on. Just a bunch of glory seekers when the cause is news worthy.
mummymovie says
And it has begun!:
Our descent into spineless dhimmitude and spiraling down, in the same manner of Western Europe, has begun.
dragaozao says
Open your eyes America! Open your eyes, so you caqn see where are your real defenders!
gravenimage says
Maine: House Democrats vote to allow female genital mutilation
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Well, this is *just sickening*. How can they *possibly* justify this?
Kudos to Rep. Cathy Nadeau for standing up for girls–that she was the only Democrat to do so is just shameful, though.
Mark says
FGM has been illegal in every state since 1997, so this bill was a waste of time anyway, and no-one was voting to allow FGM.
Why is everyone getting so upset about female circumcision when male circumcision happens all the time though?
It’s illegal to cut off a girl’s prepuce, or to make any incision on a girl’s genitals, even if no tissue is removed , and even if the parents think it’s their religious right or duty. Even a pinprick is banned. Why don’t boys get the same protection? Except in surprisingly rare medical circumstances, everyone should be able to decide for themselves whether or not they want parts of their genitals cut off. It’s *their* body.
Richard says
… until they declare it is a sanctuary FGM/Islamic city or sanctuary FGM/Islamic state and can ignore such such law, as they do with immigration. Don’t think they won’t try it, if/ when they think of it.
somehistory says
Vultures, interested in only what lines their pickets, no matter the evil it supports.
somehistory says
pockets
Emilie Green says
Muslims jump up and down, when stating Islamic Proposition A, B, or C, “It’s written right here,” pointing to their Qur’an. As if that’s proof. Of course it is to them, and they’re incredulous that the rest of us aren’t having any of it. Which then brings the cursing and the further yelling, “Kaffir,”, “infidel,” “cursed,” and more.
So here we are with the Maine Democrats, as loony as Democrats anywhere, holding that a medical procedure that has NO health-based reason behind it, indeed it has several demonstrated adverse reasons not to be done, ruling, “Full steam ahead back to the 7th Century.” The party of science?
J D S says
No longer the democrat party…They should now be known as the democrazy party!!! Shameful and sinful!!!
Ren says
Islam sanctions the killing of non-muslims. Will the House Democrats vote to allow it?
Son of the West says
They will be the Judas goats, bleating about “white privilege” and “cis gender oppression” or some other bizarre reason we have it coming.
Kat says
If it gets them a vote they will sell their souls to Satan.Most of whom im sure they have.
Dot says
This is why American people will not give up their guns.We need them to protect ourselves from our government
J D S says
Sharia law on the way…..If we don’t stop it…Any real Americans out there that want to stop it??? If so we will have to camp out on the doorsteps of our elected officials and push them…OR…Replace them with ones who will work for us and not themselves.
I have never seen such a mess in Washington as seen today. I guess they are trying to copy Europe.
End PC says
Democrats are pathetic panderers to the will of Islamic supremacist. They are a disgrace.
john spielman says
this is INSANE the US congress must ban FGM
abad says
WHY are there any Somalis in Maine to begin with?
chad says
Because of the da## refugee resettlement programs, funded by American taxpayers, given to catholic and other charities to bring these people over and distribute them to mostly small towns.
Small towns so that their muslim demands will be easier to get and they slowly take over that area.
Churches are getting rich off this and dont want to stop.
All these refugees are instantly eligible for food stamp, Medicaid, education classes, rent assistance, cash.
Many churches also donate cars, etc to them taking away from America citizens that could have used the help.
Time to shut down the resettlement programs!
angharad raleigh says
I agree with you, Chad. The so-called refugee resettlement is unconstitutional. Refugees have ALWAYS been people seeking TEMPORARY shelter. We, the American taxpayers, are being robbed and infiltrated by people whose cultures DO NOT assimilate with our own. The ‘multicultural & politically correct’ stance of political buffoons and so-called Christian establishments is a re-occurring experiment that’s failed in every instance. A farce that’s killing our societies throughout the U.S.A.
Much thought is needed by everyone of us before voting in this year’s elections. Now is the time to discern the true values of every candidate, and hold them to their promises. We are no longer looking at differentiating between R’s and D’s. The R’s have no candidate to oppose at least 45 seats, and the D’s are running a slew of former CIA agents. We must find true patriotic men and support them to oppose all incumbents. What we currently have is a Uniparty of gutless money-grabbing, self-serving career politicians at all levels. WE the People have the votes to be rid of them all. There’s no need for additional term limits. Our votes constitute the the absolute term limit.
Anne says
They get all this free stuff and refuse to shake your hand if you’re a woman because it’s “against their religion.”
dsinc says
Exactly, for the churches and charities it’s a money making racket. They have zero concern for the next generation who will suffer from this traitorous disregard for Western civilization.
Roxanne says
Agree 150%. Let’s start immediately.
Keys says
Even New York’s Cardinal Timothy Dolan has had it with the Democratic Party.
He can add this abomination to his list.
His article from the Wall Street Journal “The Democrats Abandon Catholics”:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-democrats-abandon-catholics-1521761348
Maybe soon more Catholic leaders will realize that the Allah of Islam is not the God of Abraham.
The democrats have abandoned more Americans than just Catholics.
Wellington says
Any adult woman in Maine who would remain a Democrat after this descent into malevolence is a fool at best, something worse at worst.
Walter Sieruk says
This is outrageous and wrong. The State Maine is part of the United States of America. In other words ,Maine is not part of the Islamic nation of Pakistan. This savage Islamic evil of FGM is always wrong anywhere and now some despicable people actually want in the America shame of them. This is wicked and madness. This is a very fitting time to reiterate the essay below
On the subject of the cruel, brutal and vicious Islamic tradition of female butchery which some Muslims so inappropriately call “female circumcision.” This heinous Islamic custom of misogyny has been exposed in the book by Brigitte Gabriel which is entitled THEY MUST BE STOPPED. For on page 178 it reveals to the reader that “One of the most devastating practices to young girls of the Islamic world is female genital mutilation. Young girls have their clitoris removed without anesthesia…”
Indeed, they must be stopped !
Agha Ali Arkhan says
Male circumcision for reasons of hygiene. Female circumcision for reasons of domination. Ban FGM regardless of Muslim reaction.
Just A Concerned Citizen says
And the “hygiene” nonsense is also how the female version is justified in their minds.
ALL genital mutilation, irrespective of gender, needs to stop.
Mark says
Female genitals are harder to clean than male genitals, and they get way more infections down there, but we wouldn’t cut parts off baby girls. Hygiene is about washing, not surgery.
It’s worth remembering that no-one except for Jewish people and Muslims would even be having this discussion if it weren’t for the fact that 19th century doctors thought that :
a) masturbation caused various physical and mental problems (including epilepsy, convulsions, paralysis, tuberculosis etc), and
b) circumcision stopped masturbation.
Both of those sound ridiculous today I know, but that’s how they thought back then, and that’s how non-religious circumcision got started. If you don’t believe me (and it seemed bogus to me at first too), then google “A Short History of Circumcision in North America In the Physicians’ Own Words”
or just look for any medical text from about 1850-1950 that mentions male circumcision or masturbation. Heck, they even passed laws against “self-pollution” as it was called.
Over a hundred years later, people keep looking for new ways to defend the practice.
Mockingjay says
Well this makes it official then: Westeners have gone COMPLETELY and UTTERLY INSANE.
– Only a few years ago, it seemed, this was the ONE subject that EVERYONE in the West could agree on: Female genital mutilation is something human beings just should NEVER, EVER do their children (and then to think that the type of genital mutilation of the “somali-type” is THE most horrendous of an already sickening horrendous “practice”).
– There could be differing opinions on so many subjects – not on this one. It was something we could all universally agree on – not so long ago, at least.
But as we witness here, on the 23rd of april 2018 – not any more.
And if we, in the West, do not agree on THIS, then everything truly is lost.
Then the insanity, the forces of darkness, they are winning.
Muhham-mad says
Not “Westerners.” Democrat dhimmis. Let’s make sure that the label is appropriately applied. It’s Demicrats who are unwilling to defend the health and well-being of female infants if it means one single lost vote.
Mark says
FGM has been illegal in every state since 1997, so this bill was a waste of time anyway. It’s ludicrous to suggest that Democrats are defending FGM.
Why is everyone getting so upset about female circumcision when male circumcision happens all the time though?
It’s illegal to cut off a girl’s prepuce, or to make any incision on a girl’s genitals, even if no tissue is removed , and even if the parents think it’s their religious right or duty. Even a pinprick is banned. Why don’t boys get the same protection? Except in surprisingly rare medical circumstances, everyone should be able to decide for themselves whether or not they want parts of their genitals cut off. It’s *their* body.
Kay says
If it is not made illegal, clearly and unquestionably, it will not end.
I worked with a Somalian woman once. She told me that the men don’t beat their wives here because it is illegal.
Maine’s house is ushering in a nightmare, and they are besmirching our identity as the land of the free and the home of the brave.
Berengaria says
Remember that the Democrat Party is the Official Party of Islam in America, My Opinion! Democrats in Maine have submitted to the Somali Moochers & To ISLAM’S Atrocious Culture. DEMS have made their Bed with Muslims, Let Them Snuggle down with em. Both groups deserve each other.
penelope says
so for those who felt fgm should continue, spread your legs, get out the rusty razor blade, and start cutting
then they MIGHT remember the pain these females of all ages go through. if the somalias dont want to
assimilate they can go back and do that crap in their country, not here. the dems are pure idiots and
desperate for votes. dems have no morality whatsoever.
Carolyne says
It’s true. The Democrats have no morality whatsoever. They approve of this horrendous mutilation of little girls and women, ruining their lives and giving them physical trouble all their lives, and they support with our taxes the murder of hundreds of thousands of unborn babies. They deserve some punishment, perhaps being unseated in an election, because that is all they work for during their terms in office, keeping their positions in government and the perks and pay-offs which go with them.
Anne says
NO!
Not Dumb Enough says
I say if Muslims are so devout, then they should prove it to Allah and cut off their Penises and gonads, and their women should sew their Vaginas shut after cutting off their clitorises. This way they can give their full attention to Allah who demands they are to follow him, and without urges of the flesh they can now concentrate full attention to Allah. I dare them to sacrifice their human sexual urges for their Allah, and if they push FGM all have to follow this new FGM demand or leave our Country proving they do not love Allah more than their own desires, after all they have 72 virgins in Paradise don’t they? They will be rewarded for their act of devotion to Allah.
Carolyne says
And, as a side effect, there would be no more Muslim rug rats born. Its all good.
infidel says
I would not LOVE TO SEE what is the reaction of all the great feminists and feminazzis, esp from Hollywood and Bollywood… AS USUAL ONLY DEATHLY SILENCE!!!!! Their voices are only against honest patriotic straight men from the RIGHT.. SHAME ETERNAL SHAME..
Susan B. says
infidel what you say is not true, I am a feminist and I am 200% against this evil and I do love honest patriotic straight men. I am a conservative and you seem to have a problem with women in general.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Susan B. I feel the same.
kouldb says
Unbelievable. Speechless.
Supermandan says
When did our own people (the politicians) disgust us so much. Sad, sad, sad.
angharad raleigh says
Every single person who voted for (all but one) the Maine democrats bears some blame for this heinous outcome. Every one of you should line up with your own little girls, wives, sisters and subject them to this barbaric practice. Elections have outcomes, so look at what you just did! Why are Somali refugees even allowed to vote in this country? They are NOT immigrants. Congress’ only power is to enact an uniform rule of naturalization. Somalis are NOT natural to our race or our culture. The very act of FGM should be bannedby the Federal government. Any faux-physician guilty of performing this mutilation on females should be deported, along with the parents and the child subjected to this torture.
Axolotl says
I don’t understand how this works. Why can’t FGM be made a federal crime?
MarkE. says
Illegal immigration is a federal crime and the democrats ignore that. Why would this be any different?
Mark says
FGM is *already* a federal crime and has been since 1996. That’s the main reason why this article is BS.
gravenimage says
Thbe idea that it makes no difference if large numbers of lawmakers flout a federal law is ridiculous. I live in a state where marijuana has been legalized–even thought it is still a federal crime. Is Mark trying to pretend that this has had no effect on weed use here? He is dishonest if this is what he is claiming.
gravenimage says
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UNCLE VLADDI says
I knew they were trying to hook up with all the lefties in Nova Scotia and join Canada!
http://unclevladdi.blogspot.ca/2015/07/fgm-culturally-sensitive-canadian.html
Peter WF says
The Burka Curtain expands.
Who are the female voters going to vote for?
shoehorn says
So, Maine Dems oppose Articles 3 & 5 of the UN Declaration of Human Rights?
http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/
angharad raleigh says
A noble document, that has been violated by every member nation ever since its inception. I live by the U.S.Constitution, and we’d all better get back to interpreting the meaning of every word at the time it was written. The Constitution is neither living nor is it dead, it’s the most enduring document ever written. All those who swear an oath to protect it, yet betray its true meaning on a daily basis are traitors who should be barred from governing. We the people have the power to make that happen.
Today’s U.N. causes more problems than it solves. The United States needs to get out of the U.N., and convert the building into a few hundred honorable, decent living quarters for homeless veterans and their immediate family.
Carolyne says
I agree with all you say, angharad Raleigh.
ronyvo says
Is this Islamic aggressive behavior becoming ‘normal’ information? Are we getting used to hear this Muslims’ push to Islamize us by forcing their filthy habits and ‘spiritual’ rules like praying in our streets, raping our girls, dictating what to and not to eat, poisoning our kids’ brains in our school, killing us where ever they want shouting Allahu akbar … Is this becoming NORMAL way of life in OUR country?
Careful, that is exactly is their diabolical plan. One day we find our selves in the hands of the MOST vicious enemy ever existed.
Jeannie Myers says
I totally agree! What a shame and we ALL better be doing something to stop it happeneing anywhere else.
Sentinel says
I can’t wait for the marches led by Hillary demanding FGM for all. Are they going to get their kids to demand it with a march of a million in Washington or are they too ashamed to take responsibility for the obscenity of putting back female rights a thousand years and allowing a practice that no other civilised country allows.
Will this be their campaign pledge ‘Democrats for FGM’ ?
Japetto Danatelli says
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, islam is corrupting the morals of the West.
FGM is a barbaric practice that humiliates and tortures young girls. This painful butchery provides no heath benefits for its victims, it can cause serious infection or worse like shock or even death. It’s enough to make the average person lose faith completely in our elected leaders. This is a shocking breach of trust by people who should know better, FGM is an obvious human rights violation against the female gender. And we still got people out there that think islam can’t destroy us and that democracy will be impervious to the sickness and sins of islam. But I’m here to tell you, it’s already happening, the West is crumbling like two Manhattan towers in the morning sun. How in the hell are we supposed to maintain human rights and democracy when our law makers are voting against it? It’s bizarre to me that brutal child abuse is not enough to inspire compassion in these traitors. You might think this would be the one area where they wouldn’t have the balls to publicly protect islam, but nope, they are unabashed with their complicity. More and more I’m learning what it means to be a left-wing nut, it’s someone who hurts good people while trying to help the bad. You know that if they’re willing to forsake children like this then anything is possible. If they’ll condone the sexual mutilation of children then they’ll condone our throats getting cut for allah.
We absolutely must vote these idiots out of power and shame them for their immorality. We must let the world know that at least some of us care enough about children to make a stand. Honestly, I don’t know how they sleep at night. Their brains must totally lack that part where good morals develop.
Carolyne says
Islam seems to be preoccupied with sex. Many of their laws have something to do with it, directions, mutilations, virgins in paradise and intercourse with animals, small children and women covering their hair so that they will not be responsible for a male having an uncontrollable sexual frenzy. (Although until quite recent the Catholic Church required women cover their hair in church. They still do so if in the presence of the Pope but I don’t think there’s any danger of a sexual frenzy.) What is this about religions and women’s hair?
There is no moral code at all. Kill, kill, kill. rape, rape, rape. Lie, lie., lie. steak ,steal, steal,. Can anyone think of any civilizing influence which the Koran has? I’d be hard put to do so.
Momminator says
Don’t forget — 66% of them are mentally deficient because of genetic inbreeding due to marriage of little girls to old polygamous old men. Add to that the trauma of virtually an entire culture of sexually abused children (every attack on a child is in some way “forgivable” under the leadership of these perverse imams) who only get to grow up if they aren’t first used as suicide bombers. Honestly, you have to have a little pity. They are a vast culture of victims with no compassionate leaders. By pity, I mean if they attack, put them out of their misery. There is little hope for them to change. And you can’t trust a word they say. Taqiyah is their norm.
Mark says
There’s plenty of crazy shit in the Bible too.
Baby Killing, Polygamy, Rape, and God’s Forgiveness (2 Samuel 12:11-14),
Being Forced to Marry your Rapist (Deuteronomy 22:28-29),
Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10),
Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16),
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 & Leviticus 20:9),
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9),
Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15),
Killing Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:20),
How to Beat your Slaves (Exodus 21:20-21),
How to Treat your Slaves (Exodus 21:2-6),
Killing Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51),
Killing Bratty Children (2 Kings 2:23-24),
Killing False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 & Deuteronomy 18:20-22 & Zechariah 13:3),
Killing Followers of Other Religions (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 & Deuteronomy 17:2-5),
Killing Followers of Other Religions (Numbers 25:1-9),
Killing Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27),
Killing Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13),
Killing Infidels and Gays (Romans 1:24-32),
Killing Men, Women, and Children (Ezekiel 9:5-7),
Killing Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13),
Killing Old Men and Young Women (Jeremiah 51:20-26),
Killing People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15),
Killing People Who Don’t Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12),
Killing Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21),
Killing the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-19),
Killing the Family of Sinners (Joshua 7:19-26),
Killing Witches (Exodus 22:17),
Killing Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21),
Killing Your Neighbors (Exodus 32:26-29),
Killing a Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24),
Killing People (Jeremiah 48:10),
Mass Murder (1 Samuel 15:2-3),
Murder (1 Kings 18:36-40),
Rape and Baby Killing (Isaiah 13:15-18),
Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14),
Ritual Human Sacrifice (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 & Exodus 13:2 & Genesis 22:1-18 & Leviticus 27:28-29 & Wisdom 3:5-7 & Wisdom 14:21-23),
Selling your own Daughter as a Sex Slave (Exodus 21:7-11),
Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11)
Susan B. says
Stories in time are not the same as the commands to rape and murder cut in stone from the koran. Let me know when there are Christians murdering. raping, beheading. burning people alive, driving vehicles into crowds…. All because a pagan moon god commands it.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Susan B.
Don L says
Gee, maybe they got tired of cheering on Planned Parenthood’s sale of black baby parts, you think?
Carolyne says
They’ll never get tired of that.
Troybeam says
OK, so they voted to allow this practice of Islam, I think they ought to let the women senators(Yes voters only) experience this FGM and have the men of the senate watch. They passed this bill for the Somali residents and other Muslims in their state thus segregating this sector of people from the rest of the residents of the state,
Wake up America, Islam is the Trojan Horse seeking to destroy our nation slowly by having sharia law accepted until the war begins much like whats happening in England and Europe. Make America Great Again, how about protect America at all cost.
Horseman says
How is this happening in the United States? Why is there a growing Somali population in Maine? Absolutely barbaric!
RonF says
“Refugees”. Except that a) real refugees end up going back home at some point, and b) people who intend to stay in the U.S. used to be expected to conform to American law and culture. But the left wants us to be “multicultural”. That basically means that the left wants to see American culture erased and replaced.
Frank Thiboutot says
Rep. Sirocki was also viciously and relentlessly attacked personally by the Maine Dems, the ACLU-ME and the SPLC. She presented the bill as a cultural, not solely a religious barbaric practice, but that didn’t matter with them. She has more courage than any other state legislator, but sadly the Left never puts principles above their totalitarian ideology which aligns them with Islamists.
Momminator says
I called the Democrat House office and asked why they didn’t vote for it. The secretary who answered said it was because there was language about “cutting” that was too vague and could be used to outlaw episiotomies. Such baloney! What American surgeon or obstetrician confuses labor with the brutal physical attack of a prepubescent child???????
RK says
ONCE AGAIN THIS IS U’R DEMOCRAT PARTY…. GOD HELP US!…. WAKE THE HELL UP AMERICA… VOTE ALL OF THEM OUT OF OFFICE…..
ronyvo says
RK, I am Coptic, In case you don’t know what is it. Copts are the Christians of Egypt. I lived among Muslims for the first 25 horrible years of my life.
Why I said that?
In Egypt we believed that the Americans are the most intellectual people, and for a good reason.
When I came to America, I was stunned by my observation. I felt that America is divided in tow countries one is Democrats the other is Republicans and they ae fighting each other.
Now, the observation is so intense to the point of shame.
Muslims are taking full advantage of that.
The Americans, if they don’t wake up soon, America will be lost.
What bugs me the most, they cannot realize and see the kind of Muslims. They are Satanic. Satan is their god. The so called lefties, well, I can’t say stupid. Because, stupid means that they have brain which is not functioning right, so I call them brainless.
Momminator says
Dear ronyvo,
I have a friend trapped in Egypt who is a copt. He has aging parents who rely on him for everything because they would be easily harassed on the streets. He is in fear for his life all the time. Spend 4 months hiding in his house during that absurd “Muslim Spring” in Cairo. How did you get out? Is there a contact I can send him to?
ronyvo says
I am very sorry Momminator, I left Egypt in 1961 with a miracle. Besides, things are way different now. There are some Coptic associations who might be able to direct him.
But. It is very dangerous. Please, don’t that there are thousands of Copts who are in same or similar situation.
All what I say, pray for him.
gravenimage says
I hope your Coptic friend is able to stay safe. When he is able, he should see if he can get out.
RK says
here’s more info about the democrat party and yes this IS very important/serious info – Democrat Keith Ellison:
— In November 2006: Democrat Keith Ellison, D-Minn., the first Muslim elected to the United States Congress, announced that he WILL NOT take his oath of office on the Bible, but on the bible of Islam, the Koran.
He should NEVER have been allowed to do this in the United States of America — not because of any American hostility to the Koran, but because the act undermines American civilization.
After the official swearing-in ceremony he posed for photographs with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, both of them posed with their hands upon a copy of the Quran.
– As is written and they say: “infiltrate from within” and “war is deceit” and its okay and encouraged to lie to the infidel to achieve their greater cause/agenda!
— muslim brotherhood/cair in the unoted States all run under what party? answer: democrat…
This is now the democrat party so wake the hell up and educate u’rself people before U destroy America…. noting also there are many more just like him!
… please educate u’rself instead of being blinded by BS rhetoric and indoctrination by lying politicians and media …. do u’r own homework and find the truth for u’rself…. they preach their own spin of BS rhetoric…. wolves in sheep’s clothing….
We cannot become one/united unless we stand tall on and for the truth and stop this type of insanity and anti-American BS/agenda on our soil!
Pamela F Elkas says
THIS IS FALSE. IT WAS VOTED DOWN: https://freepressonline.com/Content/Home/Homepage-Rotator/Article/Eye-on-Augusta-LGBTQ-Conversion-Therapy-Female-Genital-Mutilation-Internet-Privacy/78/720/58142
Robert Spencer says
Not the same one.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Mr. Spencer.
Dolores says
in Germany | Question to Kartarina Barley, the current Federal Minister of Justice:
For Sunni Shafii Muslims, as well as Shiite Dawoodi Bohra, female genital mutilation (FGM) is a religious obligation. In your opinion, is Islamic FGM punishable? Do you fight with us against any form of FGM, even the so-called mild Sunna?
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https://eifelginster.wordpress.com/2018/03/25/die-bundesministerin-der-justiz-und-fuer-verbraucherschutz-und-der-islamische-chitan-al-inath-sunat-perempuan/
JM says
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness of girls and women are all endangered by the sadistic and barbaric practice of FGM.
Can the federal government put a stop to this on constitutional grounds?
Also, can citizens and organizations in the U.S. file crimimal and civil lawsuits against elected representatives for derelection of duty, gross negligence, and public endangerment?
RonF says
How is this not automatically child abuse and not be already illegal?
Carolyne says
Actually, it is illegal under Federal law.
Hogdude says
In a Christian-believing country, why is this not a crime? If it’s not, it should be. For Maine legislators to have done this is shameful.
Mark says
It is a crime in the USA, and has been since 1997. That’s why this bill was a waste of time.
Mitch Graves says
MORE PROOF – Most DEM leaders are EVIL sick rotten people.
There are HUNDREDS of examples of the DEMs-RINOs-leftists-progressives- et al doing such twisted things.
In IL right now they are cutting funds to any school that keeps police on campus for student safety.
Study your gov’t people. Look at all the serious problems in the nation and your state and you will see that virtually every one was from a leftist policy.
Lies and liars are the sources of most of the evil and destruction in our world.
Want to make a conservative mad? Lie to them.
Want to make a liberal mad? Tell them the truth.
“Liberalism is predicated on two things:
The denial or ignorance of history, and
the denial or ignorance of human nature.” – JMG
Momminator says
I called the Democrat House office and asked why they didn’t vote for it. The secretary who answered said it was because there was language about “cutting” that was too vague and could be used to outlaw episiotomies. Such baloney! What American surgeon or obstetrician confuses labor with the brutal physical attack of a prepubescent child???????
Go ahead, call 287-1300 and ask them why they did this, and then see what other bs answers they’ll give you!
Janice Nash says
An area code would be nice to go with that phone number!!!!!
gravenimage says
Wow–what tripe from the Dems. Very disturbing.
Matthieu Baudin says
We’re in it for the long haul – we want anyone involved in any way with this violent assault and permanent scarring of girls to spend time in prison and to have their names and faces exposed to the public at large.
This is the only way to bring this whole sordid truth out into the open and to gather the momentum to put a final end to it all.
Rebec says
The democrats are crazy!!! Open your eyes people. Please vote out all democrats,m on all levels.
Norma Baxter says
start with the women who voted for it. This is so wrong.
Ron Low says
How embarrassing! Forced genital cutting of male, female, or intersex children is unethical.
Max says
I am starting to believe that the Democrats would sell their mothers for a vote.
Jack says
Islam is Satan’s greatest religion. Muhammad is evil in every way. And these fascist liberals are going to allow this evil into our society because they’re Satan’s greatest political party.
Kyril says
Muslims adhere to their own laws and heinous beliefs breaking the laws of other countries they migrate to. They refuse to peacefully assimilate into these countries they flee to as refuse and continue their execrable practices here where it is considered a crime. The influence of this satanic cult paralyses the social development of those who adhere to it. There is no stronger degenerate retrograde force that exists in the world.
R. Wade says
Why isn’t this in the news?
Mark says
FGM has been illegal in every state since 1997, so this bill was a waste of time anyway.
Why is everyone getting so upset about female circumcision when male circumcision happens all the time though?
It’s illegal to cut off a girl’s prepuce, or to make any incision on a girl’s genitals, even if no tissue is removed , and even if the parents think it’s their religious right or duty. Even a pinprick is banned. Why don’t boys get the same protection? Except in surprisingly rare medical circumstances, everyone should be able to decide for themselves whether or not they want parts of their genitals cut off. It’s *their* body.
Jay says
May I ask if the federal legislation concerning FGM override any legislation that a particular state makes about FGM?
Jay says
It is fortunate that Indonesians don’t make up say 10-12.5% of the Australian population. Because we would have a massive FGM problem, since about 80% of them are Muslims who adhere to the Shafi’i school of Fiqh and practise it. The ALP for certain would have strongly opposed any laws to criminalise FGM in pursuit of winning the Indonesian vote.
FYI FGM is legal in Singapore where Malay Muslims make up 15% of the population there.
caroline says
if the muslims were not intent on taking over the US and becoming true resident Americans then these kinds of issues would not come up….the muslims want our land…they have no intention of becoming a part of the fabric of this land…they want to be the fabric….. and we need to stand together to fight the insanity of the left….including the muslims, black panthers, socialists and all of the other negative factions trying to take over our lands…..
An Observation says
Female Genital Mutilation is a violation of 18 U.S. Code 116 which is a federal felony punishable by 5 years in federal prison.
Jerry 78 says
Islam a peaceful religion??? MY ASS!!!! Millions of these sons-of-bitches are plotting as we speak to destroy our country and our way of life any way they can. There are only two kinds of muslims; those that are radical terrorists and all the others that are covert supporters! Way too many of them are here among us now. They want you dead and think it is God’s will for them to do it. All islamists will lie, cheat, and deceive those of us that are not muslim. They are taught that they have the right to do whatever it takes to convert Infidels to islam; or to kill those that will not convert. NEVER BELIEVE, BEFRIEND, OR TRUST A MUSLIM. Islam is like a mold or cancer; if it is not eradicated, it will feed on the host, spread and destroy whatever it touches.
Mawlana Abul Ala Mawdudi, founder of Pakistan’s Islamic Fundamentalist Movement, which
boasts hundreds of thousands of members, spoke openly and honestly about the
religion of Islam. Here’s a Quote from him…
“Islam is a revolutionary faith that comes to destroy any government made by man. Islam doesn’t look for a nation to be in better condition than another nation. Islam doesn’t care about the land or who own the land. The goal of Islam is to rule the entire world and submit all of mankind to the faith of Islam. Any nation or
power in this world that tries to get in the way of that goal, Islam will fight and destroy.”
Jaynice says
Exactly.
linda goudsmit says
Seriously??? An American is refused service in a public bar in the United States because of his political beliefs?? That is the definition of discrimination! Are New York Leftist lemmings so fragile that they cannot tolerate a MAGA hat? Does this mean that a bar owner can refuse service to a Veteran? What about a Boston fan? Are New York bars going to become the new safe spaces for infantile New Yorkers? Maybe they should serve pacifiers instead of peanuts!
linda goudsmit says
Female Genital Mutilation legalized in the United States of America??? This is madness! The leftist /Islamist axis is deliberately destroying every moral and ethical standard of civilized life in America. Will they accept the ultimate cultural relativism and legalize cannibalism next? After all, cannibalism is a cultural norm in certain parts of the world. What part of UNACCEPTABLE do these Marxist morons not understand????? Islamists insisting on female genital mutilation are free to live in any Muslim country in the world ruled by sharia law – NOT IN AMERICA. Any leftist lemming insisting on the norms of sharia law including child marriage and female genital mutilation is also free to live in any Muslim country in the world – NOT IN AMERICA!
Tara says
They are here in our country. They are in this country because we have our mores and laws If they can’t go by our rules then go home. Go to the place where they’ve fought the same fights, the same ideals for thousands of years. They can’t change and either will we. Go home.
Mark says
No-one in Maine voted to allow FGM. There were two bills, which both proposed criminal penalties for it. The Democrats voted for their version, and the Republicans voted for theirs, but no-one’s saying that Republicans voted to “allow” FGM. FGM has been illegal in every state since 1996, so state legislation is a waste of time anyway.
FGM isn’t just a Muslim thing btw. Christians do it in some countries, and white Christian doctors in the USA were promoting severe forms of FGM up until the 1960s btw eg
Circumcision of the Female
C.F. McDonald, M.D. – Milwaukee, Wisconsin
GP, Vol. XVIII No. 3, p. 98-99, September, 1958
(“If the male needs circumcision for cleanliness and hygiene, why not the female?”)
Susan B. says
Get lost you mohammedan troll.
FMG is muslim because mohammad condoned it. FMG has nothing to do with hygiene in fact it is the opposite, girls who have undergone female cutting out of the Clitoris and are then sown back up again, may face a greater risk of losing their baby before or during birth. … FMG is associated with increased rates of genital and urinary tract infections, which can contribute to pregnancy complications and in some cases leads to spontaneous abortion and or death.
THERE IS NO REASON FOR FMG OTHER THAN ISLAM TRYING TO CONTROL THE SEXUALITY OF FEMALES. IT IS BARBARIC AND NEEDS TO BE STOPPED.
Mark says
I’m not Muslim, and I’m very against FGM. I was pointing out that white Christian doctors used to perform and promote FGM, and they used the same reasons that are used today to defend male circumcision.
FGM is more of a regional than a Muslim thing. Yes, most of those countries are predominantly Muslim, but there are Muslim countries like Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Jordan, Syria, and Iran where almost no-one does it, and countries like Sudan, Kenya, and Ethiopia, where Protestants, Catholics, Coptic Christians, Orthodox Christians, and Jewish people do it.
Some of the most common forms of FGM don’t even touch the clitoris btw, and infibulation, while horrific, is fortunately very rare.
Susan B. says
You are trying to cover up for islam with lies and BS. So I do consider you a mohammad troll because mohammad trolls do that sort of thing all the time, it is called taqiyya. No other group condones mutilating the genitally of little girls to control the sexuality of females except your religion. FMG IS ISLAMIC AND THAT IS A FACT.
To try and compare circumcision to FMG is not even close. To try and say that everyone does it is an out and out lie. Please!!!
gravenimage says
FGM Type I, II, and III–which make up almost all cases of FGM–all cut out the clitoris, as “Mark” no doubt knows full well.
Mark says
Many of the most common forms of FGM (types 1a and 2a, some forms of type 3, and most forms of type 4) don’t even touch the clitoris, but only remove part of the prepuce (clitoral hood), in some cases a tiny part. Did you actually look at any of the references I posted?
The AAP’s Bioethics committee changed its policy on female cutting in 2010 saying “It might be more effective if federal and state laws enabled pediatricians to reach out to families by offering a ritual [clitoral] nick as a possible compromise to avoid greater harm.”
They were forced to retract this about six weeks later. Dr Diekema, the chair of the committee said “We’re talking about something far less extensive than the removal of foreskin in a male”.
The German Pediatric Association said this:
“Therefore it is not understandable that circumcision of boys should be allowed but that of girls prohibited worldwide. Male circumcision is basically comparable with FGM types Ia and Ib that the Schafi Islamic school of law supports”
Mark says
The worst forms of female genital cutting are unquestionably worse than the usual form of western male circumcision, but the worst forms of male circumcision are also far worse than the lesser forms of female cutting. 453 males *died* of circumcision in the Eastern Cape Province of South Africa in a seven year period, and there were also 214 penile amputations.
Google “ulwaluko” for gruesome photos of the results (strong stomach require)
Compare that with this:
tiny url zahras-circumcision
Why would the procedure in that link be illegal in most western countries, yet this is legal:
yout ube.com bXVFFI76ff0
The people who cut girls (usually cut women) compare FGC to male circumcision all the time. US doctors who were promoting female circumcision till the 1960s did the same. I already quoted one US doctor from 1958, but here are a couple more:
Circumcision in the Female: Its Necessity and How to Perform It
Benjamin E. Dawson, A.M., M.D. – Kansas City, Missouri
American Journal of Clinical Medicine, vol. 22, no. 6, p. 520-523, June 1915
Circumcision of the Female
(“If the male needs circumcision for cleanliness and hygiene, why not the female?”)
(“The same reasons that apply for the circumcision of males are generally valid when considered for the female.”)
C.F. McDonald, M.D. – Milwaukee, Wisconsin
GP, Vol. XVIII No. 3, p. 98-99, September, 1958
Female Circumcision: Indications and a New Technique
W.G. Rathmann, M.D.
GP, vol. XX, no. 3, pp 115-120 , September, 1959
More recently, the AAP’s Bioethics committee changed its policy on female cutting in 2010 saying “It might be more effective if federal and state laws enabled pediatricians to reach out to families by offering a ritual [clitoral] nick as a possible compromise to avoid greater harm.”
They were forced to retract this about six weeks later:
Dr Diekema, the chair of the committee said “We’re talking about something far less extensive than the removal of foreskin in a male”.
And the German Pediatric Association said this in 2012:
“Therefore it is not understandable that circumcision of boys should be allowed but that of girls prohibited worldwide. Male circumcision is basically comparable with FGM types Ia and Ib that the Schafi Islamic school of law supports”
Susan B. says
Sorry mohammad/Mark – facts are facts and here are some results of your islamic practice of FMG. You have no shame and try to tie this to others when this evil and cruel practice is islamic as condoned by mohammad himself.
Long-Term Complications
Painful or blocked menses. In 1983, 55.4 percent of women surveyed in Baydhaba, Somalia, reported abnormal menstruation.27
Recurrent urinary tract infections. A 1983 study in the Sudan revealed that 16.4 percent of women who had the operation experienced recurrent urinary tract infections.28
Abscesses, dermoid cysts, and keloid scars(hardening of the scars).
Increased risk of maternal and child morbidity and mortality due to obstructed labor. Women who have undergone FGM are twice as likely to die during childbirth and are more likely to give birth to a stillborn child than other women.29 Obstructed labor can also cause brain damage to the infant and complications for the mother (including fistula formation, an abnormal opening between the vagina and the bladder or the vagina and the rectum, which can lead to incontinence).30 Among 33 infibulated mothers followed at Somalia’s Benadir Hospital in 1988, all required extensive episiotomies during childbirth. Their second-stage labor was 5 times longer than normal, 5 of their babies died, and 21 suffered oxygen deprivation because of the long, obstructed labor.31
Infertility. In the Sudan, 20-25 percent of female infertility has been linked to FGM complications.32
Some researchers describe the psychological effects of FGM as ranging from anxiety to severe depression and psychosomatic illnesses.33 Many children exhibit behavioral changes after FGM, but problems may not be evident until the child reaches adulthood.34 However, little research has been done on this subject.
FGM is likely to increase the risk of HIV infection � often the same unsterilized instrument is used on several girls at a time, increasing the chance of spreading HIV or another communicable disease.35
Mark says
Sorry Mohammed/Susan, but I’m still not Muslim, I’m still against FGM, and you’re talking about the worst forms of FGM again. Most forms of FGM do a lot less damage than the usual form of male circumcision. Somalia and Sudan are the countries where the worst forms are most common, but as the AAP’s bioethics committee and the German Pediatric Association (amongst others) have pointed out many forms of FGM do less damage than American male circumcision.
There have been multiple fatwas condemning FGM btw.
HIV? Stallings 2005 found that “A lowered risk of HIV infection among circumcised women was not attributable to confounding with another risk factor in these data.” We’d never consider promoting FGM to prevent HIV anyway though, so why are people promoting male circumcision for the same reason?
It just seems hypocritical to think that FGM is evil, but male circumcision is ok. The sooner we stop cutting parts off boys’ genitals in the west, the sooner those peoples that practice FGM will interpret western objections as something more than cultural imperialism.
Susan B. says
BS mohammad/Mark you can not sell this crap to educated people no matter how many times you repeat your lies. By the way if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck it is a muslim.
Mark says
BS Mohammed/Susan. I’m not a Muslim, never have been a Muslim, and never will be a Muslim.
Most things that quack like a duck and walk like a duck are ducks btw.
Susan B. says
Sorry mohammad/mark your trying to deny FMG as islamic and that FMG really is not that bad gives you away.
Mark says
Sorry Mohammed/Susan – I despise FGM or any unnecessary genital cutting of children, I’m not a Muslim, never have been a Muslim, and never will be a Muslim, and none of my children are circumcised. You seem to think that male circumcision is ok though, and since 88% of the world’s non-Muslim men never get circumcised, maybe *you’re* Muslim?? Either that, or you’re a hypocrite.
If your parenting decisions make your child’s genitals bleed, you’re doing it wrong.
Susan B. says
Not buying you trying to equate male circumcision to FMG. When I was pregnant, my husband and I had decided that we would not circumcise if the baby was a boy. So I am not for circumcision but FMG is not on equal footing. FMG has no redeeming qualities it is all about controlling the sexuality of girls.
However because you tried to down play the horrors of FMG and because you tried to separate it from islam, I still say you are a mohammedan troll.
gravenimage says
Mark is saying that removing a boy’s foreskin is worse than hacking off a girl’s clitoris. *Ugh*.
Mark says
You know perfectly well I’m not saying that.