“Islam is a religion of peace. This is the translation of Islam.”
No, the translation of “Islam” is “submission.”
“For 1,400 years, Muslims have been trying to spread the word of God. In the Middle East, in North Africa, in Europe, they weren’t allowed to spread the word. That’s why they fought to spread the word.”
This is a novel excuse for the jihad conquests, but clearly Mohammed bin Salman is working from the stipulation in Islamic law that Muslims should live peacefully with non-Muslims unless the non-Muslims put any obstacles in the way of the spread of Islam. In that event, the Muslims have the responsibility to wage jihad in order to clear away the obstacles.
His claim, however, is utter nonsense. In my forthcoming book The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS, which you can preorder here, I trace the history of jihad worldwide from its beginnings to the present day — this is the only book to have done this. I show that in the places MbS mentions — the Middle East, North Africa, and Europe, as well as in India and elsewhere — the jihad was an unprovoked attack on non-Muslims who had not placed any obstacles in the spread of Islam, or had anything to do with it at all.
“But you also see that, in a lot of countries in Asia—Indonesia, Malaysia, India—Muslims were free to spread the word. They were told, ‘Go ahead, say whatever you want to say, the people have free will to believe whatever they want to believe in.’ Islam, in this context, was not about conquering, it was about peacefully spreading the word.”
This is outrageously false particularly regarding India. As I show in The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS, the jihad in India was especially bloody, because the Hindus were not “People of the Book,” and hence had only the choice to convert or die, while the “People of the Book” were given the third choice of living in submission to Islamic law. The Hindus were granted honorary “People of the Book” status rather early on, simply because there were too many of them to kill, but the jihadis nonetheless treated them and their houses of worship with stunning and sustained brutality.
Mohammed bin Salman is counting on people in the U.S. not knowing that history, so that he can manipulate them more easily. Don’t allow him to fool you. Arm yourself with the truth about jihad that all too few Americans today know: preorder The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS here.
“Saudi Crown Prince: Iran’s Supreme Leader ‘Makes Hitler Look Good,'” by Jeffrey Goldberg, The Atlantic, April 2, 2018:
Goldberg: It’s good to hear about some of the things you are promising to do in Saudi Arabia, but it’s very early in the process. Yours is a big, complicated country, and it’s very hard to shift culture. Could you start by talking about Islam, the role you think Islam should play in the world?
Mohammed bin Salman: Islam is a religion of peace. This is the translation of Islam. God, in Islam, gives us two responsibilities: The first is to believe, to do good things, and not bad things. If we do bad things, God will judge us on Judgment Day.
Our second duty as Muslims is to spread the word of God. For 1,400 years, Muslims have been trying to spread the word of God. In the Middle East, in North Africa, in Europe, they weren’t allowed to spread the word. That’s why they fought to spread the word. But you also see that, in a lot of countries in Asia—Indonesia, Malaysia, India—Muslims were free to spread the word. They were told, “Go ahead, say whatever you want to say, the people have free will to believe whatever they want to believe in.” Islam, in this context, was not about conquering, it was about peacefully spreading the word.
Now, today, in the triangle of evil—
Goldberg: The triangle of evil?
MbS: Yes, I will explain in a moment. In this triangle, they are trying to promote the idea that our duty as Muslims is to reestablish the caliphate, to reestablish the mindset of the caliphate—that the glory of Islam is in building an empire by force. But God didn’t ask us to do this, and the Prophet Muhammad did not ask us to do this. God only asked us to spread the word. And this mission is accomplished. Today, every human has the right to choose their belief. In every country, it is possible to buy religious books. The message is being delivered. We have no duty anymore to fight to spread Islam. But in the triangle of evil, they want to manipulate Muslims, to tell them their duty as Muslims—their dignity as Muslims —requires the establishment of a Muslim empire.
MbS: First in the triangle we have the Iranian regime that wants to spread their extremist ideology, their extremist Shiite ideology. They believe that if they spread it, the hidden Imam will come back again and he will rule the whole world from Iran and spread Islam even to America. They’ve said this every day since the Iranian revolution in 1979. It’s in their law and they’re proving it by their own actions.
The second part of the triangle is the Muslim Brotherhood, which is another extremist organization. They want to use the democratic system to rule countries and build shadow caliphates everywhere. Then they would transform into a real Muslim empire. And the other part is the terrorists—al-Qaeda, ISIS—that want to do everything with force. Al-Qaeda leaders, ISIS leaders, they were all Muslim Brotherhood first. Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, the leader of ISIS. This is very clear.
This triangle is promoting an idea that God and Islam are not asking us to promote. Their idea is totally against the principles of the United Nations, and the idea of different nations having laws that represent their needs. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Bahrain, Oman, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, Yemen—all of these countries are defending the idea that independent nations should focus on their own interests, in building good relations on the foundation of UN principles. The evil triangle doesn’t want to do that….
Halal Bacon says
I prefer the tooth fairy over allah
maghan says
Yeh, the irony is that while only very naive and small children believe in the tooth fairy, millions of hardened adults believe that Allah exists and accept as justified all the wicked and horrific acts committed by Muhammad in Allah’s name.
The savage, cruel, and wicked ISIS, Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, etc. all swear by Allah and Muhammad.
john spielman says
of course islamic theology sanctifies ( makes holy)) LYING to unbelievers to gain advantage over us – it’s called TAQIYYA!
mortimer says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeItXQU6uX8&t=157s
mortimer says
TAQIYYA MEANS YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN A MUSLIM IS LYING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg5TY5CPrzk
Frank Anderson says
Mortimer, lawyers have a number of legal and ethical rules against lying; but the quip, “How do you know if a lawyer is lying? Are his lips moving?” is sadly more true than not. On the contrary for 1400 years muslims are taught to lie to infidels whenever advantage can be obtained. Under those circumstances the only assumption that makes sense is that lies are being spoken at all times. “Next Case?” Best wishes.
gravenimage says
True, Joe–Ahmadis also love to lie to Infidels and tell them that Amadiyya is mainstream Islam, where it is anything but, and Ahmadi are regularly oppressed and murdered by their more orthodox coreligonists.
Even though orthodox Muslims threaten them, they still carry water for Islam.
Andy says
Saudi crown prince: Islam “was not about conquering, it was about peacefully spreading the word”
Well, Saudi crown prince, let’s see your peaceful muslim good intention with allowing Christian Churches and Jewish Synagogues to be built in your kingdom.
Roderick MacUalraig says
Which existed on the Arabian peninsula prior to the Muslanimals taking over, of course.
rightrightright says
A major difference is that Allah addicts would rape the tooth fairy then stone it to death for promiscuous behaviour.
gravenimage says
Yep.
I much prefer the Tooth Fairy–and Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny–to the vicious “Allah”.
Andy says
Better yet I prefer Yeshua Hamashiach – Jesus Is Lord
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-j_1e13qlE
gravenimage says
True, Andy–I just meant “Allah” and other mythical figures. 🙂
Arryn says
Oh THAT’S VERY FUNNY. and YEAH THE TOOTH FAIRY WILL SAVE YOUR TEETH WHEN YOU HEAD ROLLS AWAY FROM YOUR NECK. THAT WILL BE FUNNY. YOU SHOULD KNOW ALREADY THAT’S ALL THEY WANT FROM YOU, “YOUR HEAD” AND THE REST OF YOU IS IN THE KORAN & THE HARDITH.
gravenimage says
Halal Bacon was not saying the Tooth Fairy would save him–he was saying that as mythical characters go, the Tooth Fairy is a lot nicer than “Allah”. This should not have to be explained.
Simo Hayha says
“Saudi crown prince: Islam “was not about conquering, it was about peacefully spreading the word””
Yup, since 9/11/2001, 34,000 events of “spreading the word,” with merely 20,000 killed in the teaching of the benefits of islam! Man, THOSE folks are REALLY peaceful now that islam has shown them the way….. To shallow graves……
gravenimage says
+1
J D S says
“In the beginning” Yes in the beginning muhammad (if he ever actually existed..No proof that he did) was kinda docile but soon after he found that Bedouins, nomads etc. We’re not flicking to his made up religion in vast numbers…then the FORCE and FEAR program started, and has been going ever since Forced to join and Fear of leaving…..Peaceful religion? No , this this Saudi prince is caught in FEAR just like all the other Muslims worldwide and blowing smoke.
Gail says
Should have asked about Khybar and others killed by Mohammeds direct followers. MbS has a painting of Jesus so it is told. Interesting!!!
BC says
The prince is either veing dishonest or he does not know the History of Islam or Mohammad who did in fact tell his followers to go out and fight the infidel until they submitted or converted to Islam, That was his dying command. Also a little known fact is that most of the Arab tribes threw off Islam after his death and had to be reconquered by force to establish Islam in Arabia
BC says
sorry. a typo being not veing
Andy says
That’s okay BC, I have had many,many miskataeas on JW. LOL.
Not a problem, most people understand what people are commenting on.
Cheers!
gravenimage says
I doubt the leader of the “Kingdom of the Two Holy Places” of Islam is ignorant of its history.
Mark Swan says
Absolutely—I doubt it too gravenimage.
MTMLA says
I think he’s a lying snake. I’ve been reading his statements on islam…a bunch of BS, to make people more accepting of islam. Among many taqyyias he said muslims have nothing against Jews. The prophet’s wife was a Jew ( but he conveniently didn’t say Mo had killed her husband and all the other men and young males and took her for a wife…by force). That’s why he can’t be trusted as our wise fried Robert Spencer has been pointing out. One cannot trust a snake and a muslim.
mortimer says
Don’t get DRUNK on TAQIYYA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONZ01K52VRY
Andy says
NO THANKS, NO TAQIYYA for this guy!
I drink ONLY THE TRUTHFUL STUFF!!
The living waters of Jesus Christ!
What did Jesus mean when He spoke of living water?
https://www.gotquestions.org/living-water.html
Axis porcinus says
Is that a black halo over his head?
mummymovie says
I knew this guy was bad news.
He’s the new darling of the left, and is masterfully manipulating them. I heard Mika Brzezinski singing his praises this morning.
And brace yourself for the whirlwind U.S. media PR tour, replete with an Oprah interview.
He’s Trump and Kushy’s favorite little buddy, too, unfortunately.
A splendid display of taqiyya.
thesailor says
+1
Terry Gain says
Trump’s appointment of Bolton says otherwise. Trump is not a dummy like Dubya and not a Muzzie like Obama. Trump is playing him against Iran
mummymovie says
I support Trump, and I support that strategy. But if you think the Saudis aren’t going to get anything out of it, you’re fooling yourself.
I’m way down with the Bolton appointment, too, but the Saudis are cunning, and they should be handled cautiously.
mummymovie says
I agree with you, T.
But I believe they’ve already landed a massive arms purchase deal with us, and who knows how far it will go.
Iran is the worst, but you really have to plug your nose with these guys, too.
Arryn says
THAT’S A NASTY THING TO SAY ABOUT BOLTON. I TELL YOU HONESTLY, BOLTON IS 10000 TIMES BETTER THEN “KERRY KISSING UP ON THE PALESTINIAN MUSLIM ARAB ASSES” SO I SAY TO YOU WAIT AND SEE.BOLTON IS NOT SOME CHOIR BOY WITH JUST HAVE A NICE VOICE TO LISTEN TO. HE IS EFFICIENT AND WALK THE TALK. MAY GOD BLESS JOHN BOLTON IN THE WORK HE BEEN ENTRUST WITH & GOD BLESS DONALD TRUMP AND HIS ADMINISTRATION. BLESS HIS FAMILY TOO. AND GOD BLESS AMERICA.
gravenimage says
Arryn, your posts are generally good. I think more people would read them if they weren’t all in screaming ALL CAPS.
Debra says
Prez DJT recited “The Snake” for us. I thought he understood “taqiyya”
https://youtu.be/qSrOXvoNLwg
gravenimage says
I think he does.
esther says
will this poor kid survive?
Save Europe says
Hopefully not. I prefer the honest ones, unlike this cretin. He’s a massive liar, and I prefer the upper echelons of the Saudi Regime to fully demonstrate their true colours.
Budvarakbar says
“honest ones”? — please name some!
IanB says
Anjem Choudary has always told the truth about Islam. He’s a snivelling, excrable, abhorrent, rug eating moslem but he’s an honest snivelling, excrable, abhorrent, rug eating moslem.
gravenimage says
Muslims only tell the truth about Islam when they feel emboldened. This is not really about honesty.
mortimer says
The Crown Prince is speaking ‘FROM HIS OWN DESIRES’. However, real Islamic scholars say that the purpose of Islam is TO MAKE THE WORLD SUBMIT TO ISLAM by force or by coaxing.
Koran 61.9: Pickthall: He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, that He may make it CONQUEROR of all religion however much idolaters may be averse.
– “In the Muslim community, the HOLY WAR IS A RELIGIOUS DUTY, because of the… MISSION TO CONVERT EVERYBODY TO ISLAM EITHER BY PERSUASION OR BY FORCE… Islam is under OBLIGATION TO GAIN POWER OVER OTHER NATIONS.” – from The Muqudimmah by Islamic historian and philosopher, Ibn Khaldun
-“Muslims must kill disbelievers wherever they are unless they convert to Islam.” – Dr. Ali Gomaa, Grand Mufti of Egypt, Al Ahram, Apr.7, 2008
– “Islamic HOLY WAR against followers of other religions, such as Jews, IS REQUIRED unless they convert to Islam.” – from al-Amili’s manual of Shia law, Jami-i-Abbasi
-“There is no use in teaching math to a child who does not know the concept of jihad.” – Ahmet Hamdi Camli, Deputy of the AKP, the ruling party in Turkey
– “The universalism of Islam, in its all-embracing creed, is IMPOSED ON THE BELIEVERS AS A CONTINUOUS PROCESS OF WARFARE, psychological and political, if not strictly military. . . . The Jihad, accordingly, may be stated as a DOCTRINE OF A PERMANENT STATE OF WAR, not continuous fighting.”
– Majid Khadduri, War and Peace in the Law of Islam (Baltimore, Md.: John Hopkins Press, 1955), p. 64.
– “As a complete Code of Life, the Holy Quran gives us a philosophy of war as well. THIS DIVINE PHILOSOPHY (of war) IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE TOTAL QURANIC IDEOLOGY. It is a philosophy that is controlled and conditioned by the Word of God from its conception till conclusion. No other military thought known to Man possesses this supreme characteristic; from it, flow its numerous other attributes. It is complete, perfect, comprehensive, balanced. practical and effective.” -From “The Quranic Concept of War” by Gen SK Malik.
– from Sharia law…Muhammad said: “I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah …” (Bukhari 4.52.196; 1.2.25; etc). Jihad is a Muslim religious duty and obligation, like pilgrimage (al-Baqarah 2: 216). Rejecting jihad amounts to rejecting a fundamental Qur’anic dogma. The Qur’an condemns Muslims who refuse to fight in jihad (al-Anfal 8: 20, 47, 49; al-Tawbah 9: 24, 39, 81-82). Some Islamist groups consider Muslims that do not participate in jihad infidels. Those who wage jihad rank highest in Islam. Reliance of the Traveler, o9.8 stipulates that jihad warfare to force Islam on non-Muslims must continue until the end of the age at the second advent of Christ.
-Imam al-Ghazzali (d. 1111), the greatest Sufi master, Islamic intellectual and revivalist of Islam, who is considered the second-greatest Muslim after Prophet Muhammad, wrote on Jihad:
“One must go on Jihad at least once a year… One may use a catapult against them when they are in a fortress, even if among them are women and children. One may set fire on them and/or drown them… One may cut down their trees… One must destroy their useful book [Bible, Torah etc.]. Jihadists may take as booty whatever they decide…”
– “The purpose for which the Muslims are required to fight is not, as one might to think, to compel the unbelievers into embracing Islam. Rather, its purpose is to put an end to the suzerainty of the unbelievers so that the latter are unable to rule over people. The AUTHORITY TO RULE should ONLY be vested in those who follow the True Faith; unbelievers who do not follow this True Faith should live in a state of SUBORDINATION. Anybody who becomes convinced of the Truth of Islam may accept the faith of his/her own volition. The unbelievers are required to pay jizyah (poll tax) in return for the security provided to them as the dhimmis (“Protected People”) of an Islamic state. Jizyah symbolizes the submission of the unbelievers to the SUZERAINTY OF ISLAM.” – Source: “Towards Understanding the Qur’an (The Islamic Foundation, 2008) by Sayyid Abul A‘la Mawdudi.
gravenimage says
I believe he is speaking from his own desire that Infidels swallow his Taqiyya…
thesailor says
+1
I am endlessly surprised at how few people seem to understand the principle and practice of taqiyya.
Terry again says
GI
Exactly. Muslims are thieves. The WORd means the WORD of Christ, not a lying warlord.
balam says
Muslims always speak with the fork tongue like a SNAKE and never to be trusted.
J D S says
Yeah Graven….speaking out a the left side (taqiyya) side of his mouth and probably those with itching ears will stand up and applaud him. Stupidity breeds stupidity!
Something else..He is now saying….”The supreme leader of Iran makes Hitler look good” and he is probably right there….but he is still “preaching” to itching ears.
I hope our so called leaders will use ear drops or maybe just stuff cotton in their ears. Another day in utopia.
Jack Diamond says
He is speaking from the weakness, isolation, and precarious position the Saudis find themselves in their neighborhood and in the world. Desperate times call for desperate measures, even alliances with Israel. Even a make-over in the Kingdom.
Not so desperate as to renounce the Cairo Declaration for the real “principles of the United Nations” where shari’a law always trumps the UN Declaration of Human Rights?
Or to separate from the OIC and its agenda. Or change all those “hate speaking” textbooks, or close all those jihad preaching, Islamic supremacist, shari’a state mandating madrasas and mosques. Should that not be part of ending the “financing of terrorism” they’ve promised?
Or confess to Saudi Arabia being up to its neck in al Qaeda and 9/11 with the dissolving of all the Saudi entities involved–the Muslim World League on down–with summary executions to follow, Abdullah Omar Naseef, anyone?
Is it still 1000 lashes to say “Merry Christmas” in Saudi Arabia? No?
They are desperate enough to do an image makeover (and perhaps more) to save their asses. That’s what it comes down to. Good. Iran and the shi’a are very much the near enemy and there is much to worry about, inside and outside the Kingdom. It is necessity, not some
Islamic reformation going on.
maghan says
That prince is a fool with the mind of a child and looks the part. Why didn’t Standard Oil leave well enough alone? That question needs to be asked repeatedly. The result is that you have dumb people with lots of unearned money just talking nonsense, lies and committing violent crimes.
Terry Gain says
Meghan
He’s not a fool. People who don’t get that he is engaging in Jihad Without The Usual Terrorism are the fools.
Gail says
+1
mortimer says
ISLAMIC SCHOLARS SAY OFFENSIVE JIHAD IS NOBLEST:
In his book, “Jurisprudence in Muhammad’s Biography” the renowned Egyptian scholar from Al-Azhar university, Dr. Muhammad Sa’id Ramadan al-Buti writes that OFFENSIVE and not defensive war is the “noblest Holy War” within Islam:
“The Holy War (Islamic Jihad), as it is known in Islamic Jurisprudence, is basically an OFFENSIVE war. This is the duty of Muslims in every age when the needed military power becomes available to them. This is the phase in which the meaning of Holy war has taken its final form. Thus the apostle of Allah said: ‘ I was commanded to fight the people until they believe in Allah and his messages… The concept of Holy War (Jihad) in Islam does not take into consideration whether defensive or an offensive war. Its goal is the exaltation of the Word of Allah and the construction of Islamic society and the establishment of Allah’s Kingdom on Earth regardless of the means. The means would be OFFENSIVE warfare. In this case, it is the apex, the noblest Holy War.”
According to the Encyclopedia of Islam, “the fight (of jihad) is OBLIGATORY even when the unbelievers have not started it.” The concept of jihad in Islam is to literally ATTACK the unbelievers for the purpose of converting them to Islam “by persuasion or by force,” “even when they have not started it.”
Thelastvirgingoat says
The man is not lying Islam instructs the believers to always first invite the unbeliever to join the Muslims in their faith or accept Sharia.
If they do not comply then the followers of the final prophet may use force to make them submit.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
The lie is created by the inclusion of the word “peacefully.” He knows it’s a lie.
Garfield says
I want to believe this is a tactic. He needs to bend the narrative to one where Islam is just a lifestyle choice, just a label….then it can be exposed as outmoded and sick. He has to start his reforms without offending every single Muslim. Could his goal to be like “OK be Muslim if you want IF you can coexist if you can’t you are evil.” Is sounds different and modern to me. Could he actually realise radical Islam is a plague, that s over?
Its like he’s inviting Muslims to act normal and when they can’t he’s calling them what they are…evil.
MTMLA says
But why lie to entice and deceive? I’d believe him more if he would have said Islam needs to be modernized..but he didn’t, he lies to hide the horrors of islam..to people who don’t know about this satanic ideology.
b.a. freeman says
Why do the kuffar deal with these people? My only answer to that question is: ignorance and/or greed.
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Flavius, i think it’s mostly ignorance, because the hard left has controlled education for decades now, and teaches neither history nor critical thinking. one would think that bleeding-heart liberals would want to learn *something* about the religion of the poor put-upon muslims so as to be able to refute the lies of we knuckle-draggers by quoting scripture disproving what we say, but *NOBODY* ever checks. those not at the top have an excuse; they expect that somebody higher up the food chain *has* checked and verified that it is just another religion. the thought leaders in the academy, however, who are paid to sit around all day thinking, and who excoriate us for hating “brown people,” don’t bother to check, either. that would make them either stupid and hypocritical, or devious and hypocritical, given the great damage being done to civilization by the hard left and pious muslims. my guess is that it’s the latter: these folks are traitors who *want* civilization to collapse, because they are hard-core leftists, and hard-core leftists have almost always succeeded *only* in times of great upheaval and chaos in society. nobody is that stupid; i just don’t buy it. they are devious, which makes them the most horrid traitors in history. the blood of almost 33 000 innocents is on their hands, and once iran starts nuking us, it will be in the millions.
MTMLA says
Read EURABIA by Bat Ye’or to understand all this that is going on that doesn’ t make any sense to any sensible person who loves his country and culture…but it was all planned . It translates in greed, thirst for power and selling out their countries and peoples by the political elite..and it has been going on for a long time all in behalf of Islam and $$$$ for the traitor politicians….
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
‘Saudi crown prince: Islam “was not about conquering, it was about peacefully spreading the word”’
He was educated in the factual history of the middle east. Now you know for a fact that he’s a liar. Punish, at the ballot box, any Western politician to deals with him.
tim gallagher says
I agree with you, Flavius, and with the comments of JawsV, David and gravenimage (immediately below), this Saudi scumbag is surely lying. It’s what these Muslim spokesmen do endlessly. It aims to keep us slumbering on. I never believe a word they say. Well, when some ISIS representative or some such creature, threatens that they will kill all non-Muslims or whatever and calls for terrorist attacks, etc.,, then I believe comments like that. That’s in line with the Koran. That’s true Islam as far as I can see. This other “Islam is peace” ( or was “peace”) type of BS is all lies. It’s the shameless level of lying that they indulge in, like those of this Saudi prince, that often amaze me. As if Islam ever had preachers who went out and tried to convert people by peaceful sermonising in the style of many of the early Christian preachers!! What rubbish. They were always violent invaders. As you mention, gravenimage, the sword is one of Islam’s main, and very nasty, symbols. It says so much about Islam’s nature. Unfortunately, some people are stupid enough to still buy this type of crap.
dumbledoresarmy says
This ‘prince’ – look at his face, just look at his face, I wouldn’t trust him an inch, look at that sh*t-eating smirk – is playing Goodcop to the ISIS Badcop.
Typical Ummah abusive behaviour, to confuse and divide the Camp of the Infidels, by playing games, messing with our heads.
Islam is the Religion of Blood and War. But it is also the Religion of the LIe, to the Nth degree, because, as mohammed said, ‘War is deceit’.
How I would *love* to see this smirking ‘prince’, this smiler with a knife under the cloak, put on the spot. Put him in the hot seat.
Put him in a room – on air – with knowledgeable apostates such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Sandra Solomon, who have *lived* in Saudi Arabia; with Wafa Sultan, who has fluent Arabic; with Ibn Warraq, who knows *all* the Jihad literature in-depth; and with knowledgeable infidels such as Hugh Fitzgerald, Robert Spencer, and – for the Dhimma – Mark Durie and Bat Yeor and Andrew Bostom (the last, to blow out of the water any denials about Islamic Jew-hatred). Oh yes, and Raymond Ibrahim, also fluent in Arabic, to deal with any denials about the ubiquity and normality and multiple varieties of permitted-and-encouraged deception, in Islam.
Then let the conversation – or, perhaps, the Exorcism? – begin. I think it would, if well managed, be *like* the preliminary to an Exorcism, as all the suave deceptions melted away like butter on a hot pan, and the Monster suddenly snarled out from underneath, under pressure from so many Undeceived persons, altogether (and the stress of being face-to-face with publicly-declared Apostates who cannot be killed, whom he cannot fall upon to kill nor summon others to kill for him).
tim gallagher says
Totally agree with your take on this lying Saudi spokesman, dumbledoresarmy. Of course, they can only “confuse and divide” the non-Muslims if there are people foolish enough to believe their lies. Personally, I never believe anything that they try to feed us, so I can say they’re wasting their time with me and, hopefully, with most other people. When it comes to Islam and non-Muslims, it’s them or us. Totally incompatible value systems and Islam is a clear enemy and danger to us all. That’s all there is to the situation we are facing. Well, I think it’s that simple. All this slimy taqiyya, such as from this Saudi liar, is just noise and garbage, aimed, as you say, to “confuse” the issue.
gravenimage says
Yes–we need to ask this Prince some pointed questions. Him and all Taqiyya artists.
MTMLA says
Saudi Arabia flag has two crossed swords with words in Arabic which I don’t know the meaning…
underbed cat says
The Prince is a practicing muslim, what else can he say….it would be like telling Brett the reporter they don’t allow terror and fight it, failed to let him know in Saudi Arabia all Princes know that the only terrorist are those who fights against Islam which has various names and may come from any of the 57 plus countries. such as Isis, al queda, daesh, or any soldier of Allah. A little omission to protect Islam. So did Brett understand the deception. Maybe…..I don’t know but more importantly does our new administration understand they have to revise the misleading C.V.E.?
JawsV says
What the Muslim “Prince” said: A total lie. Islam is all about conquering, since the 7th century, and has nothing whatsoever to do with peace.
Budvarakbar says
What’s the sword doing on SA’s eff’n flag?
balam says
It is supporting the SATANIC VERSES called Quran!!!
gravenimage says
Good question. His claim that Islam has nothing to do with violence when there is a huge sword on his own flag is just laughable.
tim gallagher says
gravenimage, just following on from your comment about the sword as a symbol of Islam. I’ve occasionally noticed stickers on the windscreens of cars owned by Muslims and noticed they have this sword type crap. I was thinking how outrageous it is that a religion has a sword as a symbol. I mean no other religion, well, still existing, religion, has such a symbol of violence as its symbol. It says it all about Islam. It was spread by the sword. Of course, Islam is also a totalitarian political system, but it is a religion so having a sword as its symbol is truly disgusting. I guess old, extinct religions like the Aztecs or old pagan Viking or Germanic religions might have had violent symbols, (I don’t know), but they are long gone. It was good that you pointed out this sword symbolism. Then you get the lying Muslims claiming they are peaceful. As if!! And there are pixies at the bottom of the garden.
gravenimage says
Absolutely, Tim. All important points.
David Grisez says
To put it in plain simple terms, Mohammed bin Salman is lying, and he knows it. This more islamic lying.
dumbledoresarmy says
Yes.
he’s messing with our heads, and he’s enjoying it. Look at that sly smirk on his face. When and where was that picture taken?
He’s a snake.
gravenimage says
Saudi crown prince: Islam “was not about conquering, it was about peacefully spreading the word”
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My God, what crap. His *own flag* is emblazoned with the sword. How stupid does he think Infidels are? Wait–don’t answer that question…
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Today, every human has the right to choose their belief. In every country, it is possible to buy religious books.
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This, in a country that forbids anyone from entering with a Bible, if only for their own use.
But, of course, he only means *Islamic* religious books.
And yes–his comment on India could not be more grotesque. In fact, Indians have likely suffered more than any other people from Muslim conquest, with an estimated 80 million murdered there.
Wellington says
Seconded.
Save Europe says
Succinctly put ?
gravenimage says
Thank you, Wellington and Save Europe.
balam says
Had the Hindu fanatic not killed St. THOMAS the disciple of Christ Jesus who went there to preach ,then may be God did not have to send the BARBARIC MUSLIMS to teach them a lesson for killing an innocent man of God.
gravenimage says
balam–with all respect–I don’t believe that Hindus deserve to be oppressed and slaughtered by Muslims any more than I believe Jews, Buddhists, or Christians deserve it.
gravenimage says
Also, St. Thomas was killed by thugs *seven hundred years* before Muslims invaded and savaged Hindus in India. None of these victims had anything to do with his murder.
MTMLA says
I agree…in this train of thought the descendants of the Romans deserve to be annihilated by the mahommetans, because their ancestors crucified Christ…and the satanic group would be considered the bearers of divine justice..I don’t think so.
CogitoErgoSum says
When he mentioned the TRIANGLE of EVIL I thought he was going to talk about the Quran, the Hadiths and the life of Muhammad. I think maybe this prince is an admirer of W.C. Fields who once said, “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.”
Save Europe says
Lol ??????
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“Canada to take in African migrants from Israel: UNHCR”:
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-to-take-in-african-migrants-from-israel-unhcr-1.3868149
And when they get landed immigrant status, where do you think they will go? The Great Replacement will continue until all Globalist/Socialists are removed from power.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-african-migrant-deportations-canada-un-1.4602063
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
sarc on
Thanks Bibi! Thanks for trying to screw the nations who are your friends. You didn’t think it through though, did you (as usual)? If you dump these people on “your friends” (for the short-term gain of ridding yourself of an ugly domestic problem) then those friends will eventually be weakened. And who will come to your rescue next time you and yours are in a pickle? Your ex-friends?
gravenimage says
This is not just about Israel–Australia is also trying to offload Muslim migrants on the US.
We *all* have to stop taking these invaders in.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
You’re confusing two stories.
balam says
I would call them contagious social and moral lepers.
gravenimage says
Flavius, I never said it was the same story. My point was that various Western nations are trying to offload Muslims to other Western nations. I have no problem with not taking them; just in trying to get other civilized nations to take them.
My own nation is guilty, as well, in offloading Gitmo detainees on other countries.
All of this is insanity–none of us should be taking in these Muslim thugs, nor in urging others to do so.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
The thing that irks me is that these deals are done on the sly.
gravenimage says
True, Flavius.
MTMLA says
Canada doesn’t need Bibi to be destroyed..It has Turd-eau., and he’s doing a great job. I don’t understand why the UN can impose on nations what should be done or not with the invaders .But countries obey in spite of the damage to security and quality of life of their own countries and people.
dumbledoresarmy says
If they are Eritrean, then a significant percentage of them are, at least nominally, Christian. The Christians flee Eritrea because they are persecuted there.
If Canada were smart they would ask Barnabas Fund – who really do know how to tell the difference between who is a genuine Christian and who isn’t – to identify and *vouch for* whatever Eritreans Canada agreed to take in.
Christian Eritreans shouldn’t be a major problem. Even if they are nominal, bad Christians, and engage in criminal activity, they will not form war parties and plot to blow sh*t up. They’ll just blend in with all the *other* nominally-Christian persons in Canada, of whatever ethnicity, who are engaging in criminal activity and – in so doing – disobeying Jesus. They’ll be a law enforcement problem but not a mortally-dangerous political problem.
gravenimage says
True, DDA. Oakland has the greatest concentration of Eritreans in the United States. Most of them appear to Christians–from the area around Asmara–and most of them are fine. Lots of Ethiopian and Eritrean restaurants here.
gravenimage says
I should add that two of my students when I was teaching adult literacy were Eritrean. Very hard working people.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Yes they are lovely people. Then they would make excellent Israeli citizens.
gravenimage says
Yes, they would.
Israel has also taking in “Falasha” Jews from Ethiopia in the 1970s. I was very peripherally involved in this.
Paul says
Saudi crown prince: Islam “was not about conquering, it was about
‘peacefully’ spreading the (s)word”.
R Russell says
I like that one!
Budvarakbar says
By Jove! — I do believe you got it!
Garfield says
OK. Look at what bin salman is saying. He has to tread carefully. He is saying there is no more duty to spread Islam by force. He is calling the MB and others evil. I think this is progress. I hope I am not wrong. But I think he is actually trying for reform, for an end to extremism. He’s got a strange approach and we all know Islam does NOT mean peace. But let’s focus on the fact that he’s calling extremists evil?
The tide is turning. There is no place for moronic violent barbarians in the future. He knows this. He wants to build a futuristic city. He knows radical Islam has to END to fix the middle east. He wants his robot city to be a world hub. Can’t do that with crazed jihhadists around.
JawsV says
It’s not radical Islam. It’s just Islam.
Wellington says
Indeed. Whenever I come across someone distinguishing between “radical Islam” and “Islam,” I know it really only amounts to faster jihad (replete with much upfront violence) versus slower jihad (like demographically taking over over the course of time).
Wellington says
He just prefers Wahhabism to the Muslim Brotherhood (and Shiite Iran too) so big deal. It’s just another chapter in the long history of Islam of Muslims wanting to knock off other Muslims when they’re not trying to knock off non-Muslims. Really, nothing new here. Just more taqiyya and the whole nine yards of Muslim bullshit. Don’t be fooled.
WPM says
Right it like do you want the black plague or small pox both are real bad ,but today only I can give you small pox if you let me? My answer take your Wahhabism “small pox”religion and shove it where the sun don,t shine!
MTMLA says
Remember the story of the snake…
thesailor says
In every news video I have seen on building in the Middle East virtually everyone involved seems to come from somewhere in the West. This guy will have a hard job building his futuristic city if his moslem pals destroy the West and kill all his workers. There might be a clue there. When the oil is no longer needed by the West it will be back to the desert, pal.
His antipathy towards the shiits in Iran, however, reveals his real thinking, does it not? Anyone who believes a single word spouted by a brainwashed moslem is a fool.
Terry Gain says
Garfield
You are naive. This is the third biggest lie since ” I won’t come in your mouth.
This is Taqiyya at its finest.
gravenimage says
He’s just calling *rival* “extremists” evil. The ruling Saudis are “extremists”–that is, pious Muslims–themselves.
Frank Anderson says
A liar has shown his true colors. Better to say nothing than to destroy credibility forever. Avoiding the question could at least leave some room for doubt.
Another short story from my uncle: Father and son spent the hot summer morning picking watermelons and putting them in the horse-drawn cart. Then they rode into town to sell the melons. Father went in to talk with the merchant, telling the son to keep his mouth shut so that nobody would find out what a fool the son was.
Man comes up to the wagon, looks at the really nice watermelons and asks the boy how much he wanted to sell one. The boy didn’t answer. The man asked again. The boy didn’t answer. The man asked a third time; and the boy didn’t answer. The man said, “I’m sorry son. You must be some kind of fool.” and walked away. Father came out to the wagon finding his son in tears. “Daddy I did just like you said and he found out I was a fool anyway.”
Anyone who says that islam is a religion of peace is a liar, regardless of the precise word used. Once a liar is identified he should never be trusted, ever, on anything. Hitler promised an alliance with Stalin before he attacked the Soviet Union and caused the deaths of tens of millions. How many other examples can be found?
R Russell says
Just one word about this guy: Liar
JawsV says
Headgear on fire.
DHazard says
The essential premises on which Islam is built guarantee that non-Muslim blood will be shed by dutiful Muslims following Allah’s marching orders. These premises cannot be ignored or dismissed without undermining Islam itself. They are:
1. Islam is the FINAL religion and Muhammad is the FINAL prophet.
2. Allah commands his followers to spread Islam anyway possible.
3. Shariah is superior to every other form of government.
4. If you leave Islam or defame Islam or Muhammad then Allah orders your execution
5. The Quran is the best book ever written and was, without error, dictated to an angel who told Muhammad what to say. It is perfect and contains all the guidance human societies need in order to please Allah.
Just removing the death penalty for leaving Islam would cause it to shrink. But no Muslim has the authority (much less the desire) to consider that option. Shariah has to become almost unrecognizable for it to coexist with Western Democracies (as well as with Socialist, Marxist, Communist, Buddhist, Hindu, etc. governments and cultures). There are no meaningful human rights or freedoms in Islam that apply to non-Muslims. The idea that Islam is a peaceful religion ended when Muhammad moved to Medina and his change towards war and martyrdom has infused Muslim culture ever since. The history of Islam mirrors the life of Muhammad, which is no wonder since Allah has instructed Muslims to use Muhammad as a mirror. Of course Allah is a manufactured god whose character was made in the image of it’s author, which is why Allah’s knowledge of the world never goes beyond that of a trader living 1400 years ago in the Middle East.
The only peace in Islam is the temporary harmony amongst victorious Muslims who have stifled, through violence and threat, complete obedience to their wishes. This is as far as Islam can go.
DHazard says
The last sentence should read: The only peace in Islam is the temporary harmony amongst victorious Muslims who have ENFORCED, through violence and threat, complete obedience to their wishes.
DHazard
Ren says
Islam “was not about conquering, it was about peacefully spreading the word”
Did anyone mention taqiya? Lying and deception, a specialty of the muslims?
Terry Gain says
First came the sword,
Then came lying.
Then came the Insanity of Political Correctness.
The came the latest Muslim Conquest,
Then Came The Sane Who Fought Back.
Then???
Stay Tuned.
Ren says
Then wipe out islam.
Sarah says
Honestly, that interview was a mixed bag. On the one hand you’ve got this idiot with the teatowel on his head lying through the skin of his teeth about Islam being the religion of peace and blah blah blah – the usual tacquiya – and on the other hand, he’s at least openly admitting that there are elements of Islam as a whole structure that are, well in his own words, ‘evil’. Iran, terrorism and the Muslim Brotherhood.
It’s not so much an evil triangle however – its more like an evil megagon. It’s not just Iran, the Muslim Brotherhood and all those terrorist groups lumped into one formation. It’s every Islamic nation that is rattling its chains in a way that is a threat to the rest of us, like Iran yes, but also Turkey, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia itself, Libya, Iraq and a giant conga line of others. In all honesty, the OIC nations and the way they use the UN as a pushpoint to bully for what they want- are all included here.
It’s also not just the Muslim Brotherhood, it’s other organizations like Hizb ut-Tahrir, like Hamas, like CAIR, like Wahhabism, like Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah – as well as the literal hundreds of other Islamist organizations, committees, charities, think tanks, political parties etc.
It’s not just terrorist groups like Al Qaeda or ISIS – he glibly lumps Islamic terrorism into one category of his evil triangle. But the reality is, there are THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of them. You’ve got the big hitters like ISIS, or Al Qaeda, or the Taliban, or Hezbollah or Boko Haram or Jamaat-e-Islami – and then you’ve got a myriad of others, all as lethal as the next and all jostling to fight and terrorize, enslave and slaughter.
So yes, its more like a Megagon of Evil. And doesn’t that speak volumes as to the overall structure of Islam as a whole?
Plus, his addition of Iran to his little triangle – while I agree that Iran is an absolute menace to the world, the only reason why this dimwit is whinging about them is because he’s engaged in a proxy war with Iran, as well as because he and his country are Sunni whilst Iran is Shia – and there’s the age old reason as to why Muslims just can’t seem to stop killing Muslims. He has a vested interest in labeling Iran as evil. He’s not bitching about Turkey, is he? Or Egypt, or Qatar or Afghanistan or Iraq etc.
And right there – isn’t that just classic Islamic doublespeak from yet another pointless Muslim? He’s taken the truth, but he’s twisted it so as to make himself and his particular faction seem to be these blameless, harmless victims. He’s also added in a heavy dose of tacquiya to try and confound the unbelievers and attempt to keep them in the dark for longer and he’s still spreading hatred across a multitude of different areas that he deems to be threatening to him and his own faction.
And with that very common attitude of his, one that we see from Muslims the world over – is there any wonder why Islam is such a hot mess? Why it will never achieve its aims of global conquest, why any Islamic nation on the planet will never become a strong and healthy nation with a diverse, powerful and self-sustaining economy that can provide for its citizens who as a whole are productive and peaceful. It’s impossible to have any of these things – because Islam does not produce effective, efficient, well-rounded, intelligent people. It produces extremely dysfunctional, self entitled, short tempered, narcissistic liars.
gravenimage says
Sarah, Saudi Arabia *itself* is a huge sponsor of terrorism–including 9/11.
Sarah says
Oh I know – that’s why I added them to the list at the beginning.
I’ve never made a secret on JW of just how much I loathe the Arab state’s – and everything they stand for. Saudi Arabia is number 1 on that list – if a meteor came crashing through the atmosphere and landed smack in the middle of Saudi Arabia, I have to say, I’d open a bottle of Champagne.
The whole race should want to throw a party if that ever happened. Losing the Saudi’s and their State would be wholly beneficial for all of us in so many ways.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Mr Spencer, you are mistaken.jihad in the form of military confrontation is Last resort. That is why the preponderance of opinion, especially today, is that the world is divided into 3,Darul Islam (muslim nations), Dararul harb(hostile non-muslim nations) and Darussulh (friendly or allied non-muslim nations). First,invitation to non muslim nations. They have 3 options: to agree to become muslims or become under sovereignty of muslims or to remain independant allies of the muslim in which case treaty of peace Will be signed to allow muslims to preach Islam to their people. The then Roman Empire Who colonised most parts of the middleast and North Africa refused any of the options and declared hostility against muslims to maintain its hegemonic control over these colonies. Then jîhad in the form of military confrontation has to be resorted to and Roman Empire was sacked from all of middleast and North Africa and Later ottoman Turks defeated It up to its capital constaniple and sacked its control over large part of Europe. Another superpower persia also refused any of the options and was sacked from its sphere of influence and finally It was defeated.
Note:in other parts of the world like India and West Africa It was the indigenous People who fought tribal wars among themselves and established dynastic empires. It happened that some of these dynastic rulers were Muslims like mughals in India, Askiya muhammed Thé great songhai, sheikh usman Dan Fodio of Nigeria ,etc. The question is were these tribal wars à jihad ? No, because the holy prophet muhammad said he who fight for tribal or ethnic
supremacy is not fighting valid jîhad.
so, the general rule under sharia is that Islam shall be spread by peaceful means like preaching, not by force. In fact, according to the Quran, there is no compulsion in religion. Even in the course of jihad fighting, the confronting unbelievers are not given option either to convert or to die.The option is either to surrender or seek for peace. If they have chosen peace, then all hostilities have to be terminated and peace treaty negotiated. See Hamidullah’s work :”Islamic Law of War and peace (in English) or Taha mahmood :Tarikhil Islam (In Arabic).
Thank you
CogitoErgoSum says
Ibrahim says, “We can do it the easy way or we can do it the hard way.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2P7fBFEY4I
MFritz says
You’re not a Nigerian, you’re a liar and a criminal. DON’T FEED THE TROLL!
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Mr Spencer, you are mistaken.jihad in the form of military confrontation is Last resort.
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In other words, violent invasion is the “last resort” if Infidel nations do not immediately submit to Islam.
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That is why the preponderance of opinion, especially today, is that the world is divided into 3,Darul Islam (muslim nations), Dararul harb(hostile non-muslim nations) and Darussulh (friendly or allied non-muslim nations).
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This last category only existed among polities that had a treaty with the “Prophet” Muhammed. Apart from Ethiopia, Muslims wound up conquering most of these nations anyway. No such exist today.
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First,invitation to non muslim nations. They have 3 options: to agree to become muslims or become under sovereignty of muslims or to remain independant allies of the muslim in which case treaty of peace Will be signed to allow muslims to preach Islam to their people.
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Yes–that “invitation” is either followed by immediate capitulation or else bloody attack.
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The then Roman Empire Who colonised most parts of the middleast and North Africa refused any of the options and declared hostility against muslims to maintain its hegemonic control over these colonies. Then jîhad in the form of military confrontation has to be resorted to and Roman Empire was sacked from all of middleast and North Africa and Later ottoman Turks defeated It up to its capital constaniple and sacked its control over large part of Europe. Another superpower persia also refused any of the options and was sacked from its sphere of influence and finally It was defeated.
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Ibrahim itace muhammed here is bragging over having destroyed the greatest civilizations of that age. If he and his vicious coreligionists have their way, they will destroy the civilized West, as well–the greatest civilization of all time.
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Note:in other parts of the world like India and West Africa It was the indigenous People who fought tribal wars among themselves and established dynastic empires. It happened that some of these dynastic rulers were Muslims like mughals in India, Askiya muhammed Thé great songhai, sheikh usman Dan Fodio of Nigeria ,etc. The question is were these tribal wars à jihad ? No, because the holy prophet muhammad said he who fight for tribal or ethnic
supremacy is not fighting valid jîhad.
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What a load of crap. The invasion of India was not just a Jihad, it was the bloodiest in history. And the invasions into Africa were also about the hideous African slave trade. Ibrahim itace muhammed has affirmed that Muslims have the right to enslave anyone who does not submit to Islam.
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so, the general rule under sharia is that Islam shall be spread by peaceful means like preaching, not by force.
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Note that this “general rule” is in fact vanishingly rare in history. The norm has been bloody invasion and slaughter.
Also, by these standards the invasion of Europe and the rest of the West by Muslims right now is “peaceful”, despite Muslims raping, robbing, and murdering Infidels here.
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In fact, according to the Quran, there is no compulsion in religion.
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“No compulsion in religion” means that Infidels can choose slavery or death if they don’t want to submit to the horrors of Islam.
And it also means that if Infidels are kidnapped, raped, and threatened with the murder of their families if they do not convert, that they can still say no. *This* is what Muslims consider “no compulsion”. *Ugh*.
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Even in the course of jihad fighting, the confronting unbelievers are not given option either to convert or to die.The option is either to surrender or seek for peace. If they have chosen peace, then all hostilities have to be terminated and peace treaty negotiated. See Hamidullah’s work :”Islamic Law of War and peace (in English) or Taha mahmood :Tarikhil Islam (In Arabic).
Thank you
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This last is dhimmitude–where Infidels are constantly brutalized and humiliated, and can choose a slow death of abuse, kidnapping for rape, kidnapping for ransom, coerced conversions, accusations of “blaphemy”, and random riots, seizure of property, and periodic murder sprees.
Of course, Ibrahim itace muhammed doesn’t mention the *last* possibility, because he does not want us to know that it exists–that is our *defeating* the Muslim invaders. This happened in Spain, in Sicily, in Greece, in the Balkans, in Israel, where Infidels took back their lands from the barbarian Muslim invaders; and at Poitiers, at Lepanto, and at the gates of Vienna, where we drove the Muslim hordes back.
We *can* do this again.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Ignorant Satan (holy spirit) worshiper Gravenimage, where have you got the idea that peace treaty can only be negotiated by prophet muhammad or during his time ? was he not setting example for all muslims at all times ? you don’t know Qiyas (analogy) where issues are similar ?
Salah says
I’m warning you again: IT IS WRITTEN:
“Therefore I say to you: Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but the blasphemy of the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.”
Matthew 12:31-32
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Ignorant Satan (holy spirit) worshiper Gravenimage, where have you got the idea that peace treaty can only be negotiated by prophet muhammad or during his time ? was he not setting example for all muslims at all times ? you don’t know Qiyas (analogy) where issues are similar ?
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Sure–the foul “Prophet” Muhammed is considered a model for all time. But tell us–what nations are considered Dar-al-Sulh today?
This only includes countries that owe formal tribute to the Caliphate or other Muslim countries and usually promise to aid Muslims in their military raids on other Infidels–certainly to do nothing to oppose them attacking unbelievers.
Right now *all* Infidel nations are considered Dar-al-Harb–even peaceful nations that have never had a conflict with any Muslim countries. We see this with the Jihad terror attacks on just about every Infidel land.
Save Europe says
Jihad in the form of military confrontation is a last resort.
BUUUUT!!!! You DO admit it’s there on the table then…..as an option!!!! Thanks for the clarification!
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Salah, holy spirit is exactly the Satan cursed one. There is nothing líke holy spirit representing the breath or voice of God. It is a pagan idea from mithraism inspired by thé Satan
Salah says
Really?
وَالَّتِي أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهَا مِن رُّوحِنَا وَجَعَلْنَاهَا وَابْنَهَا آيَةً لِّلْعَالَمِينَ
And she who guarded her private parts, and we breathed into her of our Spirit, and we made her and her son a sign unto the worlds.
Quran 21:91
gravenimage says
Note that Ibrahim itace muhammed does not deny that Muslims can violently attack Infidels to impose Islam on them.
But why would he? He has lauded Jihadists for doing just this.
b.a. freeman says
ibrahim, i see U’re back. i’m glad U keep coming back, because your posts are entertainingly inane. i believe that most of the folks here already know that islam is a foul criminal cult, and that muhammed was a psychopathic monster, so U’re kind of wasting your time. i’m *really* glad about that part, because there are so many people in the west whom U could still fool if U managed to reach them; i would much rather see U p*ss into the wind here.
on a separate note, i do care about U. about 650 years or so before your lying, thieving, mass-murdering, rapist child-molester profit (not prophet) was inflicted on humanity, Jesus walked among people. He sacrificed Himself so that *U* can live after death. the cost is that U must lay down your life for Him, and serve others in this life. without Him, U can do nothing (nor can i), but when U do His will, as spelled out in the good news (gospel), He will aid U. and when U finally go home, He will be waiting for U, arms open wide in welcome. without Him, there is only eternal damnation, everlasting death. God is life, and U will have rejected life if U reject Him. i pray that someday U understand that muhammed was a sick, twisted man who turned morality on its head, making evil good, and good evil. until U do, though, please keep coming back and entertaining us!
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Salah, you have misconceived the verse. Ruh(spirit)refers to spirit of life being sent God into every living thing for It to function. in the verse God sent spirit of life into Mary’s womb without Union with man, which is a miraclous birth, not that God Himself descended into the womb as holy spirit, which is a blasphemy.
gravenimage says
Pious Muslims like Ibrahim itace muhammed consider this a blasphemy–although why this should be since they murder Jews and Christians for deeming “Allah’s hand to be fettered” makes no sense. But when have violent Muslims ever had to be rationally consistent?
More to the point, they do not consider robbing Infidels, raping women and children and using them as sex slaves, or mass slaughtering unbelievers to be blasphemous–instead, that savagery is *sacralized*. *Ugh*.
Money, control, power, I'll get you first. says
We All know what is happining Robert all around the world. Rush Limbaugh stated that money will always be made from, from, from, he never really said the truth. Servival of the fittest, meaning who will kill you first, and what ladder in life are you on the rung of life, he knows it and knows how to play it, the game. Of life, millions can be made.
Problem is this, news to the masses.
Got to, (o’bama language ) controll and change History.
Keep up the good work.
Wayne says
Briefly stated..
As Bulldog Bricoe would say
This is TOTAL B.S.
MFritz says
Al Capone: “There is no mafia, only honest business men!”
Wellington says
Whether by way of Wahhabism, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah, Irshad Manji’s happy face depiction of Islam, the Ahmadiyya “approach,” Zuhdi Jasser’s asserting that Islam can reform, Keith Ellison’s amusing imbecility, etc., Islam remains rotten to the core no matter what Muslim is averring otherwise.
There is no good Islam. So tired of all those maintaining otherwise, whether a Mo follower or a dhimmi apologist for Mo followers (the latter are actually a greater problem than the former since exculpation of malevolence is the one thing worse than malevolence in and of itself).
Islam is both wicked and warped. Proceed from this easily proven assumption and to the extent one does not then one is either an ignoramus or a liar. Like this Saudi crown prince (I’m definitely going with the “liar option” with this turkey).
And so what if this crown prince wants back alley relations with Israel, thinks women in Saudi Arabia should be allowed to drive, is a foe of the Muslim Brotherhood, etc. It all just amounts to polishing a turd. And the turd is Islam. All of it.
gravenimage says
+1
JM says
Islam is the only religion where the closer one gets to its essence, the worse the religion becomes.The reason for that is that its origins are evil. Consider the source, Muhammad. No amount of sugar-coating can hide his dark soul and unspeakable crimes.
The best Muslims were supposedly the first ones, but they slaughtered innocent people under their ‘Prophet’, and then expanded their repertoire by also slaughtering each other as soon as he died.
If the tree is rotten, the fruit will also be bad. After 1,400 years of bloodshed and 180 million murders, Muslims still cannot live in harmony with anyone else. And none of the 57 member countries of the OIC is anything other than a dysfunctional mess where no rational person would want to live.
gravenimage says
+1
MTMLA says
That’s why I don’t believe that islam can be reformed. Its founder was an evil man, how can it be anything else? Juhdii Jasser,is trying to fool others or he’s a fool himself.
mgoldberg says
He’s simply a capable politician, moving to the next step in Jihad. He says it’s ok for Israel to have it’s place, as long as the palestianians have theirs and the Al Aqsa is protected. As if it hasn’t been, and as if the jews weren’t being tormented out of even existing there- they are not allowed to see it or visit it excdept when their prayers are disallowed, and their presence is referred to as an attack on Al Aqsa.
So… the good prince knows he’s not going to overtake Israel, especially now that he needs them for a coflict against Iran; whom he calls as bad as Hitler. How generous of him…. whilst totally lying about the Jihadist history of Islam, and it’s conquering, slaughtering, enslaving of so many others in it’s spread.
So, here we are…. at the next phase of the JIhad.
gravenimage says
Good analysis.
DemoracyRules says
Has anyone noticed
– that Islamists are not very good at logic?
Marco says
What a croc!
Jaladhi says
Only one word- LIAR!!
Carlos Danger says
Prince Salmon is lying. throw him back.
gravenimage says
🙂
Cheer Bear Girl says
He’s a big fat liar! I remember Mohammed saying he had been made victorious through terror. He isn’t fooling anyone who has bothered to read the Quran.
sidney penny says
“For 1,400 years, Muslims have been trying to spread the word of God. In the Middle East, in North Africa, in Europe, they weren’t allowed to spread the word. That’s why they fought to spread the word.”
MBS does not mention India where Hindus suffered terribly for almost 1000 years and still do.
Infidel says
Hear hear a trillion times Sid. For Hindus of India, Islam was/is/ and will always be an endless and hideous nightmare that has sucked the very life of our great and ancient culture. Somehow, Hinduism is doddering along but I wonder for how long… The cancer is as relentless as it is virulent..
Save Europe says
…..and the actual Quadrangle of Evil isn’t Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Pakistan and North Korea????? (albeit certainly, the latter isn’t in cahoots with the former, aforementioned triumvirate).
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
https://www.rt.com/news/423010-saudi-salman-iran-hitler/
Linda says
Reading this story and these comments, I am thinking I must have been deluded. I wanted to like MBS. I mean, here is a Muslim who bought the Salvator Mundi. He was talking about rooting out the Muslim Brotherhood, and returning Saudi Arabia to a moderate Islamic country. He will have to work with America and Israel for protection against Iran. Saudi Arabia will not be able to depend on oil forever. They will have to modernize their economy for numerous reasons. It’s better for him to work with America for everyone’s sake.
CogitoErgoSum says
Time will tell. Here are a few things we know about him so far. He could be King of Saudi Arabia for 50 years ……. if he lives that long:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPL53x2obV0
Linda says
If it were left to Islam, once the Muslims got rid of all the infidels, then the Sunnis would fight the Shiites. All the smaller factions would fight each other. If they got it whittled down to just one sect, then there’d still be killing for apostasy, honour killings, blasphemy and so on. It just would not stop. The fundamentalists are no big fans of the Saudi Royal Family. They want a caliphate with a caliph, not a royal family. The Saudis could wind up like the Tsar’s family did in Russia…all executed.
CogitoErgoSum says
Within a few years we will have not only a new king in Saudi Arabia but a new king in England as well. What will the one in England be like? Here are some words from Prince Charles spoken a few years ago about Islam. (see below.) At that time he felt that when you think about it the common ground of the Abrahamic faiths would keep us from cancelling out each other. But “cancelling out” both of the other two Abrahamic faiths is a top priority for one of the three. Maybe he should think again.
I don’t know anything about Ken Cuccinelli but I found a quote by him that seems very wise: “I don’t go hunting with princes and kings.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfXFYD6kJgk
gravenimage says
Linda, Arabia has *never* been a moderate Islamic country.
underbed cat says
Hiding something that could destroy a relationship with the U.S. and expose our national security ……LV perhaps…..would be my guess…..and it falls in line with all 4 types of deception…and those cooperating to dismiss a jihad attack. It was all too strange after the SA air force was in sin city for 28 days. prior…which is my opinion.
underbed cat says
Saudi Crown Prince is on a” protect the reputation “promotional tour after the Las Vegas shooting to promote the Islam via the CVE and counter any jihad residue. I agree Peter, it is a predatory nature of jihad and the misinformation campaign about the directives to “slay infidels” to claim Islam does not use violence. He is omitting the methods hidden behind the smile and black halo. He has targeted our President with misinformation after he noticed that President Trump had a light ray of truth when he said it seems muslims don’t like us and SA put a display of wealth to lure a man attracted to gold. Message to President Trump Islam and Saudi Arabia use deception it is part of Islam to attain their goal to conquer. Tolerance is only for Islam. Justice is only sharia law know this and do not be deceived. Remove the MB advisers from national security.
Peter says
If the Crown Prince’s claim is correct, then Muhammad either misunderstood the revelation he claimed to have received or distorted it. Given the predatory nature of Jihad, its divine mandate, and Islam’s 14 century track record of slaughtering non-Muslims (estimated at over 120 million – more than the tally of those killed by Hitler, Stalin and Mao combined), it is clear the Crown Prince is engaged in taqqiyah or deliberate lies, deception, and disinformation.
Lydia Church says
The Gospel is about peacefully spreading the Word!
islam is about violently taking over with bloodshed without respect of human rights or tolerance.
Even the biggest idiots on here know that!
introvert says
Mohammed bin Salman might be prince charming, but what concerns Islam
lying is permitted when it services “religion of peace”. In Sweden for instance
giving critical opinions about Muslims and Islam in public senses may cost a
person his freedom. Sweden is really a lost country, going backwards, submitted
to superstition and already bending their backs in submission. Masses
of uneducated men(specially)trying to find a life in Sweden.With minimal or no
schooling at all. The cost such expriments will generate will never pay back to
Sweden or it’s inhabitants.
I do not think islam has come to stay in peace with nonbelievers. The mindset is
already grounded 1400yrs ago among Allah’s slaves.
Linda says
If we thought we had trouble before, just watch this video about Saudi Arabia and artificial intelligence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8hXlEeqWzQ
It could be that we ain’t seen nothin’ yet.
dan christensen says
Never trust a muslim longer than you can throw a 50 tonnes locomotive.
He is permitted to deceive you if is benefits his religion.
UNCLE VLADDI says
Notice how Muhammad didn’t name his new religion “Allah,” or “Allahism,” or “The Truth About Allah,” because that would have been kind of honest; in stead, he called it “Submission” (to Might-Makes-Right) which kind of gives it all away!
😉
duh swami says
Never trust anyone who believes Allah is God…
JawsV says
Exactly right. It’s like trusting Satan. Allah is an evil deity.
Frank Anderson says
JawsV and all others, I apologize for throwing in a Shakespeare quote that seems to fit, “A rose by any other name would smell. . .” This time it stinks.
Infidel says
SUPER TAQIYYA IN ACTION…
Jan Aage Jeppesen says
For god’s sake folks, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman is a political leader, not a theologian, not a historian and not a philosopher.
Therefore his statements about Islam, Islamic history and the peaceful spread of Islam should be judged in relation to what his political objective seems to be.
As Robert Spencer and many commentators point out, his words are Nonsense on Stilts making Donald Trump the truth teller of the century.
His statements about peaceful Islam will not fool a single Muslim, but they might fool ignorant Westerners and leaders who wish to believe in the fairy tale of a peaceful Islam.
He is pointing out who the real enemies against peace in the world are, namely the the triangle of evil: Iran, the Muslim Brotherhood, and all Islamists who want to reestablish the Caliphate by Jihad. Clearly the Crown Prince is inspired by President George W. Bush 2002 talk about “an axis of evil arming to threaten the peace of the world”, naming Iran, Iraq and North Korea.
Iran is named first as evil in both political statements. That could by him some credit in the US under the leadership of President Trump who wants to tear up the nuclear deal with Iran and appointed John Bolton his new national security adviser, who in 2015 suggested a preemptive strike on Iran.
President Trump must be thrilled by the statements from the Crown Prince, and that seems to be the main political objective. Saudi Arabia is now in better standing, in the mind of the master of fake news. It is just politics so calm down folks. 😉
gravenimage says
What twaddle. Saudi Arabia is a big a threat as Iran–there are no good guys between them. Have you forgotten Saudi Arabia’s involvement in 9/11–or just hope that we have forgotten?
gravenimage says
As for his not being a theologian, this prince is the head of a theocracy. The idea that he is a secular leader is ridiculous.
FYI says
I see the smiley sheikh missed the bit about…
“I have been made victorious through terror”
Bukhari 4:52:220
muhammed and his followers:spreading the word of allah’s hate “peacefully” through the sword
Ade Fegan says
keep still your highness …..
one more quoit and I have a hat trick !
tony46 says
Since the (s)word started to ”spread”, 120,000,000 people killed in India alone.
You were saying??
staffsgt7 says
so is he recalling all the imams that the sowdies put in the mosques that they funded OR telling them to teach peace, to change their daily salat and take out the denigration and bashing of non-moslems? Or changing sharia laws and with that would come changing the koran? Huh?!! What is he doing other than just spewing more taqiyya dribble? Just because he calls himself a prince – only makes him another taqiyya dribbling moslem trying to convince non-moslems that islam means peace to get what he wants.
Tom says
Throughout history, and without exception, Islam has been a violent and invading ideology. Right from the prophet Muhammed to the Islamist terrorists of today the west has been fighting to defend itself against the Islamic hordes that have invaded, raped and pillaged, throughout history.
There have been literally hundreds of invasions into the west by muslim armies in the name of Islam. Spain at one time was taken by Islamist invaders and there were many battles in Spain alone.
It was in response to these invasions that the crusades happened.
Hogdude says
Look what a western education has done for this man. He’s confused about Islam. Not what it means but what it does.
gravenimage says
He’s not confused–he’s lying. He wants *us* to be confused.
Rarely says
I’m reading his comments a little differently than most of the interpretations I’ve read in the comments.
True, he has made a few historical errors but they don’t affect his message and, therefore, are irrelevant.
“Islam is a religion of peace”. They don’t fight unless Islam is rejected. He says: “In the Middle East…they weren’t allowed to spread the word. THAT’S why they fought to spread the word”. i.e. Islam is a religion of peace UNLESS it is rejected.
The Triangle starts off by fighting so they are misunderstanding Islam. Under his interpretation they are just fighting too early.
I suppose that to him “radical islam” is where you fight first and ask questions later while “moderate islam” is the reverse. There is no need to fight countries which allow conversion to islam (eg. western democracies) but he leaves open the issue of what eventually happens to the citizenry of those countries who refuse to convert or accept the dominance of islam.
Has he been lying? Not really. He just left out a few salient facts.
Bruce Hal Miner says
We have a dear friend who stayed with us recently (to understand, please google Tasir Abu Saada and/or Seeds of Hope – he was an Arafat man trained to be a sniper to kill Jews! =He is now a Christian missionary!!). In re: to the first article and the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, Tass said: “DO NOT trust that man – he is a big-time con artist who is playing for US and Israeli friendship for as long as it works for him and for him only in re: to his deep hatred of Iran”.
gravenimage says
True.
JawsV says
To Saudi Prince: Liar Liar headgear on fire!
DFD says
And for an encore, he will for his next statement appear with a Fred Astaire lookalike and sing in duet that he is dreaming of a white Christmas. And Frans Timmermans will be moving about, humming: “Umbayadada umbayahhh….”
The pope and trudeau will be moved to tears. The western media will call for the public execution (stoning or beheading) of anyone not throwing teddy bears!
WOT? You doubt that?
Bruce Hal Miner says
Dear DFD,
Re: those who will be moved to tears, you forgot one. It is Pope Francis’ new and best friend – Erdogan of Turkey. They have been just getting along so peachy for a while now. The Pope is now on
record with “Allah is just another name for the One G-D…”! Ain’t that just peachy now?!? Evin makes
strange bedfellows!
Bruce Hal Miner says
THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE EVIL makes strange bedfellows!!!
JM says
The Saudi Crown Prince knows nothing about Wahhabism?
Unless he is the House of Saud’s idiot offspring who was raised shackled in an underground dungeon to avoid bringing shame to the dynasty, how could he be in the dark about the Saudi kingdom’s biggest export since the 1970’s?
Bruce Hal Miner says
To JM = the crown prince is far from being an idiot. He is, in fact, a terribly wise and evil man! As I wrote before (based on what I learned from Tasir Abu Saada – please google and/or google Seeds of Hope) he jumped over his older brother (as the King made it happen) in part because the crown prince is very crafty. At this point, his perspective on Israel is “the enemy of my enemy (Shi’ite Iran) is my friend – Israel”. We must never assume that his “friend” will be safe from him for one minute past when he, in his planning, has gotten rid of Shi’ite Iran/Assad as well. Fascinating to watch BUT DO NOT TRUST.
JM says
To Bruce Hal Miner
You are absolutely correct. I was attempting sarcasm; sorry if it didn’t come across.
As for Saudi Arabia’s new dalliance with Israel goes, Islam 101 shows even the dimmest student that Muslims will renege on treaties and dishonor alliances as soon as they think they can smash their way to further domination. History is replete with such examples, starting from Muhammad himself (the example to follow, being the most perfect man who ever lived).
Bruce Hal Miner says
JM Thank you. I did appreciate your sarcasm and you have nothing for which you should apologize. As I’m sure you well know, completely contrary to Christian and Jewish morals, Islam teaches that the “art of lying” to we Infidels, is highly valued. Another friend of ours (google Arabsforisrael) has taught us that most English translations of the Koran are greatly whitewashed. In reality, one of the names of Allah is that he is the “great deceiver”! Once again, JM, we agree. The Crown Prince will betray Israel the minute it no longer benefits him to continue with this false face of being friends with Israel as well as with the USA.
gravenimage says
Bruce, I think you are new to Jihad Watch–I just wanted to welcome you here!
Bruce Hal Miner says
Thank you for the welcome. I am a Pastor at Shepherd of the Hills church in Porter Ranch Calif. I have 2 Masters Degrees (History -minor in Spanish and Health Care Administration). I retired as a Medical Center Administrator with Kaiser-Permanente of Southern California. Since retirement, I completed a Ph.D. in Theology with a “minor” or study focus in Biblical Archaeology. My wife is the President of our Messianic Synagogue’s Board of Elders. I trust all that didn’t bore you to tears and painfully so! I am only taking advantage of your kind welcome to introduce myself. I look forward to consistently valuing the Jihad Watch publication and the very interesting comments of his readers.
gravenimage says
Bruce, you did not bore me at all! Thanks for telling your story.
I’m a fellow Californian–from northern California. I have degrees in Art and Art History, and a minor in History. I’m a writer and illustrator.
Like so many, it was 9/11 that really woke me up to the threat of Islam, and I started studying it.
I found Jihad Watch in 2006, which I consider the very best of the Counter Jihad sites. I’ve been reading and posting here ever since.
JM says
To Bruce Hal Miner
Thank you, and thanks also for pointing out the whitewashed versions of the Koran that gullible Westerners are presented. I’ve been wondering about that for awhile, because the more egregious passages in the Koran often appear relatively mild in the free online versions. Clearly, there is some deception involved.
Awhile ago, I tried finding the most accurate English translation of the Koran, but finally gave up.
I felt victimized by Taqiyya, Kitman, and Tawriya.
But this was deception regarding the question of possible deception.
That would be the first derivative of deception, or perhaps quantum Islamic deception.
Maybe we could coin a new term for this, to add to the four terms already in use:
Taqiyya – Saying something that isn’t true as it relates to the Muslim identity. (This is a Shiite term).
Kitman – Lying by omission. An example would be when Muslim apologists quote only a fragment of verse 5:32 (that if anyone kills “it shall be as if he had killed all mankind”) while neglecting to mention that the rest of the verse (and the next) mandate murder in undefined cases of “corruption” and “mischief.”
Tawriya – Intentionally creating a false impression.
Muruna – ‘Blending in’ by setting aside some practices of Islam or Sharia in order to advance others.
Source:
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx
Best wishes
Bruce Hal Miner says
Hi JM – thank you for the kind words. If you do get to googling arabsforisrael / Nonie Darwish, (not her real name, by the way) you’ll have a better understanding of the authoritative nature of the information regarding the UNreliable English translations of the Koran. Again – thank you JM.
We are all together on this fight with Islam.
gravenimage says
Yes–Nonie Darwish is a real heroine.
Bruce Hal Miner says
Hi JM – thank you for the kind words. If you do get to googling arabsforisrael / Nonie Darwish, (not her real name, by the way) you’ll have a better understanding of the authoritative nature of the information regarding the UNreliable English translations of the Koran. Again – thank you JM.
We are all together on this fight with Islam.
(I was just notified that “your e-mail address will not be published……” THUS THIS MSG TO THEM—)
WHAT ARE YOU WEBMASTERS TALKING ABOUT — ALL THE REQUIRED FIELDS HAVE BEEN FILLED IN. THERE ARE SOME SIMILARITIES AS THE THEME IS THE SAME BUT THIS IS NOT A DUPLICATE OF PREVIOUS E-MAILS. WHAT’S UP WITH YOUR REFUSAL TO POST MY LAST NOTE?!?!?
DogOnPorch says
Islam is nothing BUT war and conquest.