The U.S. Catholic bishops submitted a brief to the Supreme Court declaring that President Donald Trump’s ban on migration from five Muslim countries was “blatant religious discrimination.”
One learns from childhood to discriminate between what is harmful and what is benign. Trump’s ban was from “countries of concern” that were chosen by the Obama administration due to the security threats emanating from them, not because of anti-Muslim bigotry.
There is no discrimination against Muslims in America, based solely on faith. Muslims are free to practice their faith in peace, despite the fact that many Islamic preachers are spewing hatred against Christians, Jews and Zionism.
Attorney Neal Katyal referred to the bishops’ strongly worded friend-of-the-court brief as Justice Samuel Alito pressed him for evidence that a “reasonable person” would view Trump’s proclamation as discriminating against Muslims.
Any reasonable person should ask the question of why there is concern about Islam and none about Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, etc. No reasonable person has anything against a Muslim’s private faith if it is benign, but any reasonable person has concerns about jihad and the global Islamic war that has been declared against infidels.
The next question that comes to mind is this: what possible motive could the bishops have?
In the Fiscal Year 2016, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) received more than $91 million in government funding for refugee resettlement. Over the past nine years, the USCCB has received a total of $534,788,660 in taxpayer dollars for refugee resettlement programs
These bishops have abandoned persecuted Christians and abdicated their role as Christian leaders. They are unfit for their ecclesiastical duties.
“The Bishops’ Brief Against the Ban,” by Paul Moses, Commonweal, April 26, 2018:
The U.S. Catholic bishops submitted a brief to the Supreme Court declaring that President Donald Trump’s ban on migration from five Muslim countries was “blatant religious discrimination”—and the lawyer representing opponents of the measure reminded the justices of that line in oral arguments held Wednesday.
Attorney Neal Katyal referred to the bishops’ strongly worded friend-of-the-court brief as Justice Samuel Alito pressed him for evidence that a “reasonable person” would view Trump’s proclamation as discriminating against Muslims.
“This is a ban that really does fall almost exclusively on Muslims,” Katyal said. “…Look at the wide variety of amicus briefs filed in this case from every corner of society, representing millions and millions of people, from the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, which calls it, quote, ‘blatant religious discrimination’”—
He was cut off, but the point was made before a court with five Catholic justices and one Episcopalian who was raised Catholic, Neil Gorsuch. The bishops’ brief cited Trump’s anti-Muslim tweets as evidence that the president’s order “arises out of express hostility to Islam,” and violates the First Amendment’s free exercise clause.
“Such blatant religious discrimination is repugnant to the Catholic faith, core American values, and the United States Constitution. It poses a substantial threat to religious liberty that this Court has never tolerated before and should not tolerate now,” the brief says. “Having once borne the brunt of severe discriminatory treatment, particularly in the immigration context, the Catholic Church will not sit silent while others suffer on account of their religion.”
Much of the news coverage of the hearing took the justices’ questioning as evidence that the court’s five-member conservative majority would rule in Trump’s favor. On the face of it, the justices need to decide if the core element of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965—abolishing discriminatory national-origin quotas passed in the 1920s—is trumped by a paragraph in the same law that, if the Trump administration is right, gives the president unlimited power over who can enter the country.
Whether the religious discrimination argument will move the justices in this case remains to be seen—and it’s best not to speculate on a justice’s thinking based on his or her questions.
But however the court rules, the USCCB’s brief is important in staking out an authentic Catholic position on Islam and immigration at a time when many anti-Islam voices are able to find a platform in Catholic media and institutions. And it counters the bishops’ past failures to include discrimination against Muslims as a cause for their campaign for religious liberty, as seen in the statement “Our First, Most Cherished Liberty,” which was issued before the 2012 presidential election. With a few exceptions, Catholic institutions were slow to respond to the nativist strain in Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign, and the first nativist president was elected with a majority of the white Catholic vote. More recently, the USCCB released a statement in February 2017 urging Trump to fulfill his promise to protect religious liberty—but without mentioning his plans for immigration or his anti-Muslim comments……
Linda says
Why are Christians in the West so reluctant to stand up against Islam?
mortimer says
Linda, the answer to your question is simply that most Christian CLERGY are UNACQUAINTED with the PRIMARY SOURCE TEXTS of Islam that mandate WARFARE AGAINST DISBELIEVERS until victory.
Most Christian clergy have not even read the 164 JIHAD VERSES:
K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008.
Anyone who has read the PRIMARY TEXTS of Islam is NOT CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT ISLAM IS: A SUPREMACIST CULT.
Kay says
It’s true. It’s ignorance. We can’t even imagine the evil that Mohammedism advocates.
John Hutchings says
From an English Catholic.: It is worst than IGNORANCE it is DEMONIC !
Carol the 1st) says
It’s willful, studied ignorance (if that) and no longer deserves apology.
it appears to me that the traditions that made up pre-Islam and now Islam (and which once were part of Judaism too e.g. stoning) were things that Jesus recognized as evils. The church needs to remember that Christ is the driving inspiration of Christianity and the church is only valid when it’s a proper vehicle. Christians aren’t Moe’s donkeys.
Dan Moriarty says
Anti Trump Obama picked the 5 countries.
Terry Gain says
You don’t have to know the primary source texts of this evil ideology to understand that Islam is evil. You just need to take your head out of your ass so that you can see and hear.
boakai ngombu says
” … Anyone who has read the PRIMARY TEXTS of Islam is NOT CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT ISLAM IS: A SUPREMACIST CULT….”
most Christian clergy have not even read up on SHARIA, nor have they often noted how adherence to the SHARIA by the slaves (muslims) of the allah god of islam, militates against a Christian’s obligation to care for needs of NEIGHBOR – especially anyone’s need for deliverance from sin, death and the devil.
YHWH is not praised when the allah god of islam (unknowable; the best of all deceivers) is called “greatest.” the One anointed to REDEEM mankind is defamed by that cry. the One who builds and guards FAITH in all the work of the Living God is also not pleased, but; continues ensuring that the proclamation of GRACE extended to the undeserving is done until the END, when those made righteous by the Loving God shall pass through the JUDGEMENT.
Carolyne says
If it were just a “Supremacist cult” and its followers went around saying, “I’m better than you,” One could laugh it off as the silliness it is. However when it says, “I am better than you and therefore I have the divine right to kill you,” it must be stopped.
Why would a God not like vowels in his/her name as used above? Is God an Englishman?
gravenimage says
Agreed, Carolyne.
The Remorseless Headsman says
In the case of the US Catholic Bishops, it appears to be a shared love for money and young boys. The Catholic Bishops appears to be only too willing to sell out Christians as long as the Islamists keep them supplied with both.
gravenimage says
No–it has more to do with “political correctness”. Your idea that living under Shari’ah would bring a cash windfall to Catholic Bishops is mistaken.
Linda says
Thanks for everyone’s answer. It seems to me that the Christian clergy are going to have a lot to answer for in blindly subjecting their flocks to such evil.
Arryn says
Why? Because of their leaders like the Catholic Bishop belly aching about discrimination against their beloved Muslim murderer brothers. Like Pope Francis totally ignoring what has been going on against Christians in Syria. Arguing on behalf of the murderers of the innocents then asking the taxpayers of America to fund their projects. Like the Democrat Senator (Kennedy & Pelosi) both Catholics in congress arguing against the Wall and they themselves have their properties surrounded by Walls. So who are the ignorant here. These people are insane. They are working on the inclusive idea to fulfill their interest and purposes but totally ignoring the safety & security of the citizens of the country. INSANE.
von says
You would think instead of submitting to the EVIL EMPIRE they would rally the troops, if there ever was a time for a CRUSADE the time is now !!!
mortimer says
THE SHEPHERDS are handing the SHEEP into the JAWS OF THE WOLVES, rather than DEFENDING THE SHEEP!
Carolyne says
People are not mindless sheep. Their intelligence is at least that of men who swear to be celibate and then find the nearest little boy or woman. Celibacy is an unnatural state for a human being and must interfere with one’s thought processes, hence the perverted behavour of some priests. Lay people (Not sheep) have the right and the duty to resist this Vatican nonsense. The money which the Catholic Church receives for “Resettlement” is the source of this new found “Brotherhood.” There’s no business like show business. Perhaps the sheep can look to their own “Sheep God.”
tedh754 says
If it were a Muslim ban, then why only 5 countries?
Terry Gain says
A complete Muslim ban is totally justified. We can either defend our civilization or we can submit to Sharia. There is no 3rd alternative. Islam is as resolute as we are weak.
Savvy Kafir says
Agreed! In the long run, there is no third alternative, because the Allah junkies are VERY resolute. They all must go.
balam says
There is hardly any difference between the Muslims and the Catholic thinking .In the Muslim majority countries, the Catholic Church is preferred over the Protestant one .The Catholic Church cares a DAMN about the poor persecuted Christians both Catholics and Protestants in the Muslim countries . In Pakistan ,A CATHOLIC POOR WOMAN Assia Bibi who drank water in the glass of Muslim co-worker on a farm while picking cotton , is on death row for the last 7 years on trumped up charges of BLASPHEMY .Where is the POPE hiding? According to ‘Pakistan Christian POST ,the Pope proclaimed that the Satan was real!!!!.I wish ,he had further added: ARE YOU BLIND and CAN’T YOU SEE ME IN FLESH? He is not a real SHEPARD looking after the suffering sheep of Christ Jesus but an opportunist hired hand .May God forgive him!!!
Carolyne says
“Where is the Pope hiding?” He’s hiding in his dress behind the 20 ft. Vatican walls which were erected centuries ago to protect against Islam. He’s hiding in splendor among gold and jewels and great works of art and cares nothing for the suffering of non-Muslims in countries like Saudi Arabia and most recently in several countries in Western Europe. He is a hoax and always has been.
gravenimage says
What claptrap. Where are Catholics waging violent Jihad and stoning women to death?
Linnte says
The Catholic Church is/was making money from the federal government by orchestrating refugee placements in the USA. These Bishops don’t “care” about the safety of the refugees, they just want the MONEY.
WPM says
That’s the answer in a nutshell a lot of Protestant faiths are also lining up for the money to take in “Islamic refugees” , the current Pope is following a social communist path to level the West to make all people equally poor because of Western quilt trip of the communist South American agenda .
Carol says
You got that right !!!
FYI says
Utter nonsense of course:it is not religious discrimination.
Perhaps the senior clergymen should take some time to consider what is happening….. to Catholics:the USCCB is far too busy scattering their flock at the moment to notice…what with the heretical promoter of apostasy,fradulent francis,at the helm…..how thick is that “smoke of satan”{what Paul Vi was talking about } billowing through the Vatican at the moment!The winds of heresy,the fumes of apostasy!It’s unlikely the USCCB can see it of course.They just see a smiley Mr Bergolio with his panglossian thumbs up;Everything’s ok folks..remember.. as Frankie said “There’s no islamic terrorism”.
The Frank and Bennie show has cunningly deflected catholics away from all those well known prophetic warnings:they are cunning in their luciferian but they can’t fool God(Or Catholics who know about Fatima 1917)
{insert picture of a smiley francis with thumbs up here}
God’s Judgement begins in the house of the Lord { 1 peter 4 v 17,Fatima 1917 ..}:So they say.
A teaching that would of course be completely lost on the USCCB and Mr Bergolio’s Apostasy and Heresy circus.
Thumbs up{.. if you want to be lead astray by francis,Rome and the USCCB!}
Carol the 1st) says
Panglossian: Dr. Pangloss was the pedantic old tutor in Voltaire’s satirical novel Candide. Pangloss was an incurable, albeit misguided, optimist who claimed that “all is for the best in this best of all possible worlds.” So persistent was he in his optimism that he kept it even after witnessing and experiencing great cruelty and suffering. The name “Pangloss” comes from Greek pan, meaning “all,” and glossa, meaning “tongue,” suggesting glibness and talkativeness.
utis says
Atheist rant trigger warning.
With the Edict of Milan, Emperor Constantine demanded toleration for the Christian religion. By the end of the same century, paganism was outlawed. Pagans couldn’t hold office. Only Christians had official right to political positions. Pagan worship and religious buildings were destroyed. The obliteration of pagan art and literature commenced. In the end, the pagans were severely punished for their tolerance.
Christians should learn from their own history: if you tolerate a group that wants to destroy, they’ll do it. SOMETIMES, intolerance is a reaction to destructive invaders (like the body’s resistance to infection). Knee-jerk sympathy is like knee-jerk hate.
Linda says
No one could fault people who only act to defend themselves.
PRCS says
We must fault any religion which commands its followers to defend themselves–as that (IMO) is not what religion should do.
Carolyne says
We must do no such thing.
Savvy Kafir says
I’m not a fan of any religion (unless you count pantheism); but surely any religion should ALLOW its followers the right to self-defense, at the very least. And I would not fault any religion for “commanding” it either.
PRCS says
Allow, yes. Would you not fault Islam for such commands?
gravenimage says
PRCS, Muslims are not “defending themselves” when they rape, murder, and conquer Infidels.
Savvy Kafir says
Agreed. Tolerance of intolerant, imperialistic invaders is cultural suicide. And when those invaders are violence-prone savages, tolerating them can amount to suicide in every sense of the word.
Tolerating Muslim colonizers in the West is a BIG mistake. A mistake we must correct, before it’s too late.
Carol the 1st) says
utis…I’m not a historian but I don’t see you mentioning or directly alleging that gratuitous butchery was part of the Christian modus operandi. We see this frequently in a certain predatory “religion” even to this very day.
NewWorldParty says
The Bishop should watch the video of Tarek Fatah, a Muslim, telling the Canadian Senate to ban immigration from Muslim countries:
https://youtu.be/0UpY2z6xXao
But of course, the lying leftist media and dishonest politicians ignored this.
Linda says
Tarek Fatah doesn’t pull any punches. That is a good video.
Carol the 1st) says
There’s a “private” event soon (no videos etc. and they reserve the right to kick anyone out):
The US Council of Muslim Organizations (USCMO) is excited to announce the hosting of the fourth annual National Muslim Advocacy Day on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., from May 7th and 8th, 2018.
It seems the Middle East Forum has planned a counter-event and Tarek Fatah will be on the panel:
Wednesday, May 9, 2018
2:00-3:30 p.m.
Washington, D.C. (Capitol Hill)
Location to be provided upon RSVP – You may also RSVP via e-mail (McNulty@MEForum.org), or phone (215-546-5406 ex. 101).
762x51FMJ says
The discrimination of the archdiocese is apparent in the fact that they remain ignorant of the lives of persecuted Christians in the Levant, their hypocrisy is apparent when they remain deliberately ignorant of Islam’s effect upon civilized society.
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Dianne Cornett says
Thanks, Jay Boo, this is a question we’d all like an answer to. What efforts have they made to do
anything about that and why are they not vocal about it. Weren’t they working with Muslims against Jews during World War Two?
Brian hoff says
The Pope was consider than neutral nation during wwII
The Pope allow one Irish father carry out anti nazie activities from the Pope nation in the city of Rome the Pope could have order him to stop or hand him over to the germany when they ask the Pope to. In late 1942 the Vatican learn about the nazie dead camp they share with Franco of Spain who allow jew to enter Spain more freely. When Hitler ask Franco to sent the jew in spain to germany Franco said no I hear about your death camp.. The Vatican didnot make this public was the allies will be force by public pressure to under take than very riskly resure mission to free the death camps in Poleland by airborne assualt and sea invasion on the coast of poleland..
pfwag says
The RCC was complicit with the Nazis in Germany. You also might want to learn about the “Rat Lines” through the Vatican where the RCC helped Nazis flee the repercussions of their abominable actions after Germany lost the war.
Cheer Bear Girl says
These people have never read the Quran. If they had they’d support a Muslim ban. In fact anyone with a semblance of knowledge would never allow Muslims in their countries. I know it is a travel ban. I still think banning Muslims would be the better option.
Walter Sieruk says
First , it’s a sad reality the those US Catholic Bishops by the things they have declared about a Travel ban has ,at the above picture shows, led a good number of sincere but misguided Catholic astray.
Second, the need for a national travel ban concerning all those unvetted Muslim migrants who desire to enter the United States of America is very important. This may be yet better explained by one of the fables of Aesop which is entitled THE FARMER AND THE VIPER. So here it is “Once in ancient Greece there was a farmer outside on a very cold winter day walking in if field to make sure that everything is in order and as it should be. The farmer came upon a half-froze viper about to die from the bitter cold. The kind yet foolish farmer took pity on the viper and in an action of kindness put it his is vest jacket to warms and up and thus save its life. The viper warned up revived and then bit farmer through the vest jacket. So the kind but foolish farmer died a slow painful death in awful agony because he felt sorry of the viper and saved it life.” The point to this fable is the no amount of kindness will chance an evil and dangerous nature.
So it may be with those many Muslim immigrants who want to enter the USA. It only takes of few jihadist/vipers inflect jihad terrorism of awful murderous disaster on different cities of this nation.
MikeyParks says
Nincompoops! Do these bishops, and indeed any other Christians, have any grasp of what the Muslim world really thinks about them and their religion? There’s no special place in the Muslim heart for Christians who defend them. Just the same level of hatred, now with a little extra contempt. How can they be so blind?
Elizabeth Lawson says
I completely disagree with this assessment of immigration to the US by those who emanate from terrorist countries. I am Catholic, and I fail to see why this logical step to keep terrorists out of the country is “a blatant attack” on another faith group. We look to the evidence of such folly in countries of the EU, Australia and the like. Dead citizens of these countries at the hands of terrorists are past news – doubtless with more to follow. Not only is this reality present in countries that have accepted Muslim citizens, the other reality is the enormous – and rising cost, of ensuring the safety of citizens from terrorist attacks – money that could be better spent on improving the lives of the needy. So, I endorse this travel ban. Perhaps when these ‘immigrants’ begin to subscribe to the value of human life, and to the sanctity of life, they might be more welcome.
Donald MacInnis says
What is wrong with these guys. Must be dumb and blind. Never seen such nonsense.
pfwag says
The Catholic Catechism teaches:
“The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day” (CCC 841).
Lydia Church says
This is such heresy! The plan of salvation is thus:
God sent His Only Son to die for the sins of the world. But ONLY those who receive this willingly will be saved. They must bow and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, the Son of God (2nd person of the Trinity), the only Savior, the Messiah, and submit their lives to Him and receive forgiveness for sins by His atonement alone. This is the only door to salvation, to be reconciled to God and have fellowship with Him, and get to heaven. The plan does not acknowledge anyone from any other religion because they are false religions. If there were a hierarchy after Christians, the first among them would not be muslims who deny the Lord Jesus Christ. They do not profess the faith of Abraham. Abraham was the first “Jew” and his faith pointed to the coming Messiah. The koran contradicts all of this. They do not adore ‘one God’ together with Christians, the God of the Bible is the Christian God and the only true God, the muslim ‘god’ is a false god and these are not the same ‘god’ because their characters are mutually exclusive. The Christian God is unlike the ‘god’ of any other religion, which are false religions with false gods. It is NOT the ‘same god.’
The one world religion under antichrist will ‘mold’ all the ‘gods’ into one conglomerate whole and all religions into one unified cohesive whole, and the whole thing will be an abomination to the true God and His true religion; Christianity, which is ever separate, removed, and mutually exclusive from all other ‘religions’, and cannot unite with them or it will cease to remain pure, holy, and true, thus by necessity it must remain separate from all other religions. Unity is the same as acknowledgement in this case. It’s like once you put a good drop of water into a poisoned cup of water, it is all poisoned, too late. To remain pure, the good water must remain separate from the poisoned water.
This is just another of many examples of the corruption that has entered and that contradicts the Holy Bible, God’s Word, which is the only holy religious text on the planet.
David says
Lydia,
Your “my god is better than your god” is exactly the mentality of Islam except that Islam is not above using force to enforce its version of faith. Nevertheless, your claim to have the only true faith is exactly what causes the civil strife currently plaguing the world.
This blog is designed to educate its readers about the dangers of islamic jihad as well as the horrendous abrogation of civil and human rights inherent in Islam. It is not a forum to promote one religion over another. Take your “Holy Bible, God’s Word” nonsense some where else. Don’t litter the pages of this site – it detracts from the effectiveness of RS’s work.
David says
p.s. And that goes for all others who seek to promote their religion as the one true faith – YOU ARE THE PROBELM.
Joe says
Allah is not God. God is love (says so in the Bible). Allah commands Muslims to hate everyone that is not Muslim (says so on most pages of the Koran). There is no excuse for confusing Allah with God. The bishops are blind guides.
Keys says
It’s just that simple, Joe, and so many bishops don’t get it.
Carol the 1st) says
Face it, they probably have too much blackmail material on each other and the game must go on and the seams not come apart.
Carol the 1st) says
Face it, they probably have too much blackmail material on each other and the game must go on and the seams not come apart.
duh swami says
If protecting America from Islamic terror is the goal, Islam and Muslims must be banned, Half measures won’t work…
Savvy Kafir says
You’re right. That’s the only way. Nothing short of expelling all Muslims will keep the U.S. (or Europe, Canada, Australia, etc.) safe, in the long run.
Carol the 1st) says
Dr. Nicolai Sennels seems to have come to that same conclusion.
In this link (that others here have recently provided) he describes how “threat and repetition” are invariably used to raise Islamic children and it would take TREMENDOUS personal effort to overcome this in adulthood. This upbringing makes them “the STRONGEST in their faith”.
Clearly not a virtue. And thus (I would add), a bogus pile of pigheaded death and destruction to the rest of humanity.
http://www.inquiryintoislam.com/2015/01/why-islam-creates-monsters.html
Savvy Kafir says
If the free nations of the West are to survive, we must begin “discriminating” against Muslims — just as the British, Americans, Canadians, etc. “discriminated” against Nazis during World War II. There is no shame in keeping out people who are ideologically opposed to everything your society stands for, and who wish to replace free, humane societies with brutal Islamic government and Sharia.
All Muslims in the West must be assumed to (consciously) be part of the Demographic Jihad, to one degree or another. If you want to test that theory, trying putting some pointed questions to any “nice, moderate” Muslims you may know.
Chand says
“— just as the British, Americans, Canadians, etc. “discriminated” against Nazis during World War II.”
Yes.But discriminating against the Nazis was not discriminating against ALL Germans. Maybe ALL Germans were suspect for a while. But then they quickly separated, removed and punished the Nazis only, helped the common, innocent Germans and then rebuilt Germany.
“There is no shame in keeping out people who are ideologically opposed to everything your society stands for, and who wish to replace free, humane societies with brutal Islamic government and Sharia.”
How can it be established by a proper judicial process that ALL Muslims are actually Nazi-like or crypto-Nazis? That they are ALL against ‘free, humane societies’?
Impossible, except by extra judicial mob justice, conducted by a totalitarian govt, as that by the SA and the SS on the Jews before the War, blaming ALL Jews for Europe’s and Germany’s woes.
In other words, round up ALL Muslims and deport them? What about the third generation Muslims? Which country will they be sent to? Suppose their parents or grandparents from two different countries?
Savvy Kafir says
Chand — You are comparing the aftermath of World War II to our current situation. But this new global war, motivated by Islamic imperialism and Muslim hatred for infidels, is just getting started. Analogies to Germany circa 1946 totally miss the mark.
Secondly, Islam is an IDEOLOGY, just as Nazism is an ideology. So comparing “all Muslims” to “all Germans” is totally inappropriate. Muslims have the ability to renounce their barbaric ideology and become FORMER Muslims.
Because Islam is at war with the infidel world — just as it was designed to be — we need to assume that all Muslims understand their religion properly and take its prime directive seriously, since it is impossible to know which ones do, and which ones do not. The Islamic principle of taqiyya, which gives Muslims a divine license to lie to non-Muslims, makes it pointless to even attempt to sort them out.
And yes, I am talking about rounding up ALL Muslims and deporting them — just as all Nazis were unwelcome during World War II. (Not all German-Americans, but all NAZIS; that is the correct analogy.) Second-generation Muslims in the U.S. and Europe are MORE likely to become jihadis than their immigrant parents. So, yes, they all need to go.
And I don’t really care which Muslim-majority countries they are sent to. It doesn’t have to be the ones their parents or grandparents came from, if that is not an option for us. They just can’t remain HERE — not if we’re serious about safeguarding free, progressive societies from the cancer of Islam.
I’m not talking about “extra judicial mob justice”, or about creating a “totalitarian government” to accomplish this task. I’m talking about changing the law so that it acknowledges the unique threat posed by Islam, and allows us to legally deport Muslims. I’m talking about preventing the rise of a totalitarian government, in the form of an Islamic theocracy, by educating the people so that the public votes into office political leaders & lawmakers who understand the threat, and who are prepared to do what is necessary to safeguard Western Civilization.
This is war. Not a war of our making; but a war that we MUST win. Someone is going to lose. There is no third alternative, with a win-win outcome. Islam does not allow for that. I suggest that, given the vile nature of Islam, and the threat it poses to human rights, basic freedoms, & basic human decency, it is the Muslims who should lose.
Once the Nazis unleashed World War II upon the world, someone was going to lose. And all Nazis had to be treated as enemies — even those “peaceful” Nazis who never engaged in any blitzkrieging or Jew-killing themselves, but who voted for the Nazi Party, had lots of babies, had their children join the Hitler Youth, and helped to keep the whole project going & growing.
In the current war, all Muslims must be assumed to be the enemy — because of the evil ideology they embrace, identify with, and help to keep going & growing.
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gravenimage says
What crap from Chand. In his analogy, Muslims are not like “Germans”–they are like Nazis. Being German is intrinsic if one was born on German soil–being a Nazi means that one has embraced this ideology.
It is the same with Islam–Islam is an ideology.
Linda says
If Islam were just a “religion”, good and fine, let them in. The fact is, though, that Islam is NOT just a religion. Its some form of religion with a totalitarian ideology for world domination conveniently attached to it. That should disqualify it from being classed as a religion at all. They get in on the assumption that Islam is a religion and as soon as they’re in, they want to take over by any necessary means, deception, out-numbering, and the most brutal violence.
Savvy Kafir says
You nailed it, Linda! That’s the problem, in a nutshell.
CogitoErgoSum says
I say to the U.S. bishops, your job is to save souls; Trump’s job is to protect his country. He is protecting YOU. If you see the poor, the hungry, the oppressed, and you wish to help, then go to them. Do it for the sake of their souls. Do not worry more about their physical well-being than you do about their spiritual well-being. Pain and suffering are tied to the cross and Christ encourages us to take up ours and follow Him ….. or is that you are afraid of the cross that may await you if you leave the safety of your homes in the United States to teach others about Christ? If that is so, then bear your own cross here without complaint and leave others to bear theirs.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Christine williams, people with conscience have to be concern for this madness of travel ban for Muslims. It is affecting the economy of evil united states. Dollars is depreciating at international money market and stock prices are falling because many muslim countries have now stopped using dollar as foreign Reserve and individual Muslims not investing in US’s economy for fear getting their assets frozen.
Wellington says
You know, Ibrahim, I have to wonder if you’re not a comedian trying out new material here at JW since your posts, if not meant humorously, are indicative of a severely warped, ignorant, ungracious, desultory, destructive and limited mind (rather like Mo’s creed in its entirety).
I’m hoping, really pulling for, the “comedian option.” For your sake.
Have a good day, Ibrahim, preferably with a couple of beers and a fine BLT.
Lavéritétriomphera says
No, he’s not kidding, but I think he’s not sincere. I am not American, but I will ask him to prove what he says.
He does not answer when I ask him why he sees Christians as worshipers of the god Mithras.
Wellington says
I’ve asked him too about this and he doesn’t respond. I have to wonder if, being a Muslim, he somehow sees a similarity between Christianity and Zoroastrianism which is where Mithra originated, as did the whole concept of the Messiah (Saoshyant in Zoroastrianism) and the Last Judgment, borrowed from Zoroastrianism by the Jews when they were under Persian domination from around 539 B.C. to the time of Alexander the Great’s conquest of the Persian Empire (334-330 B.C.). The last stage of ancient Jewish religious development, the eschatological stage, following the pre-Mosaic, Mosaic and Prophetic stages, began under Persian hegemony and was pretty much finished by around 100 B.C. Not long after, Christianity picked up on all this and went from there with Jesus of Nazareth. So, in Muslimworld and Muslimthink it seems all three of these religions (Zoroastrianism, Judaism and Christianity) are meshed together. Just a hypothesis I have here and nothing more.
Lavéritétriomphera says
I think you are right Christians believe in the same Mazdean god. God father as Ahura Mazda did not create evil while Allah is the creator of good and evil and he can mislead humans being and lie to them. Truth by definition does not mislead. Allah by his own words in Koran, is not the truth.
Christians do not practice animal sacrifices while Muslims and Mithraists do these sacrifices. Mithraist baptism consisted to be sprinkled with the blood of a bull ! Christians do not drink the hallucinogenic Mazdean haoma.
gravenimage says
This from Ibrahim itace muhammed is typical–first saying that people of conscience can’t bear to see Jihadists barred from the US; then threatening us.
Wellington says
A la Thomas More, the US Catholic bishops of today would have snored through the Sermon on the Mount.
PRCS says
No Ban.
Most JW readers understand the deceit and ignorance which drives that nonsense.
But the potential for jihadi infiltration into our country aside….
*No Wall*.
*No Raids*
Amazing that so many of our friends and neighbors “justify” the use of illegal alien labor in our agricultural industry with the excuse that it’s needed to keep produce costs affordable.
For those not familiar, the H2A Visa provides properly vetted, temporary foreign laborers to honest American farmers.
https://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/temporary-workers/h-2a-temporary-agricultural-workers
And here’s a link to at least one of the organizations behind the “no ban, no wall, no raids” protests:
http://www.thenyic.org/
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
welligton, read economic indices of the evil united states to know that American economy is going into recesssion due to savage mad devil Trump’s policies
Wellington says
You are a comedian after all, aren’t you, Ibrahim, and just trying out new material here at JW? I knew it all along.
As ever I remain
Sarcastically, shallowly and Mithraistically yours,
Wellington
Carolyne says
I have always thought that Ibraham was a “Not ready for prime time” stand up comic.
gravenimage says
Anerica’s economy is booming–but Ibrahim itace muhammed just claimed on another thread that the US dollar is now officially worth zero. What a clown!
Prebanian says
“The bishops’ brief cited Trump’s anti-Muslim tweets as evidence that the president’s order “arises out of express hostility to Islam,” and violates the First Amendment’s free exercise clause.” The First Amendment doesn’t apply to foreign countries or their citizens. It applies to the U.S. Congress. This is why the Saudi Arabian government is free to, and does, establish the so-called religion of Islam in the U.S. …or so the Newseum’s First Amendment experts tell me. So to whom exactly does the First Amendment apply?
paul_bay says
So, if they are carrying a nuke, could Trump stop them over the screams of the liberals?
kouldb says
What more can we expect from them when their leader. That cretinous little hypocrite—with all the presence & charisma of a reptile—their Pope. Is also demanding Catholics open their hearts (and nations, and homes, and wallets) to Muslims. Whilst the gates of the Vatican remain closed. And whilst all of them have completely abandoned persecuted Christians across the globe.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Leveritetriomphera, the words of the Bible were not recorded in the presence of jesus or any of his disciples and those who wrote them reporting from the disciples were anonymous and never met the disciples, but relied on speculative hearsay stories. with that pagan doctrines of mithraism like Godman and begotten son of God were imported. See “the darkside of christian history “by Helen Ellerbe and “the forgeries “by Bart Erhman
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Inrahim itace Mohammed,
Mohamed’s words were not recorded either and we were not there. Christian altars are not full of blood as the Islamic or Mithraist sacrificial altars.
Do not confuse form and substance.
Carol the 1st) says
They say that at his “trial” Jesus showed full awareness of the “family” of God thought/belief construct:
“I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty” (2 Corinthians 6:18)
gravenimage says
I see Ibrahim itace muhammed is babbling about “mithraism” again…
Jack Holan says
USCCB US BISHOPS OF NORTH AMERICA isn’t it repugnant for Men Of the Cloth to be deceitful, bear false witness against thy neighbor abandon YOUR flock to the sword in the very lands you claim discrimination against Muslims? The false claim that Muslims are being discriminad from coming here from 7 Countries what about the other 50 Muslim Countries that the do come from and enter our country if it’s a matter of religion.
P. O'Brien says
The US Catholic bishops, in general, are blind fools.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Leveritetriomphera, you lied. It is beyond dispute that words of the Quran were recorded on the spot at the time of revelations and committed to memory unlike your mithraist pagan bible. After the demise of prophet muhammad the words written on stones, woods, skins and rough papers were compiled and copied into text by the same people who recorded It and memorised it. As such there has been no controversy on the authenticity of the Quran. The variations in reading the text arose from different pronounciations of Arabic words.
Lavéritétriomphera says
I wonder if you believe what you are writing, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-dLZfzN3G4, unless it is self persuasion. Sannaa manuscript proves that the Quran is manmade, this book is not the uncreated word of Allah as the Sunnis claim.
Evangelists have never denied that the gospels are a testimony.
You focus on the form in order to ignore the substance, and so you avoid answering to problematic questions. In France Muslims including scholars proceed in the same way. It is a manipulation.
gravenimage says
Actually, Islam claims that the Qur’an has always eternally existed in Paradise. Ibrahim itace muhammed doesn’t even know his own bullsh*t here.
ninetyninepct says
No wonder intelligent freedom loving people are walking away from the Catholic Church. It is run by male chauvinistic zealots. The Church defends Islam partly because of Islam’s practice of sex with young boys, referred to as pearls.
Wellington says
I have my criticisms of the Catholic Church but Roman Catholicism is not defending Islam “because of Islam’s practice of sex with young boys….” Really, statements like yours only undermine legitimate criticism of what has happened to the Catholic Church since Vatican II.
Carolyne says
It is an undisputed fact that Muslim men enjoy sex with young boys and that they are promised them in the hereafter. It is an undisputed fact that SOME Roman Catholic Clergy have groomed and sexually molested young boys for generations, although it is not officially condoned by the Roman Catholic Church. Whether this has any relationship to the attitude of the Pope toward Islam is not yet determined.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Carolyne, there is nowhere Muslims are promised anus sex with kids in the paradise like churchmen having anus and vaginal sex with kids under their their. “wildanul mukhalladun “mentioned in the Quran are children created to serve not for sex, just like your children in this physical world.
Lavéritétriomphera says
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LPKW72iViSQ
Wellington says
But the HUGE DIFFERENCE, Carolyne, is that to the extent that any Catholic clergy have engaged in sex with boys, it is TOTALLY at odds with Catholic doctrine, while all the “pearly boys'” garbage is PART of Islamic doctrine. HUGE DIFFERENCE. Couldn’t be any more of a distinction (I was going to say “bigger” but reflected upon the possibility that this could serve as a double entendre—but I digress).
The same could be said about Christians using force to spread Christianity which is not condoned in a single passage of the New Testament, contra Muslims who are instructed to use force to spread Islam as condoned by 164 passages in the Koran. 164-0!
See where I’m going here? When Christians have done wrong in the name of their faith, they have invariably been in contravention of Christian doctrine. Whereas, when Muslims have done wrong in the name of their faith (examples being the killing of apostates and the killing of anyone who dares criticize Islam, the Koran or Mohammed, never mind all the sexual aberrancies), they are so very often fulfilling the sick dictates of their creed.
BTW, I am not religious in the least, but I know that Christianity is an infinitely superior religion to Islam in every way and is not a mortal threat to freedom as Islam surely is. Thus, one must be VERY CAREFUL when drawing any comparison between Islam and Christianity, as you did, lest a faux moral relativism obfuscate the immense difference between these two religions.
gravenimage says
Why is Ibrahim itace muhammed again claiming that the Bible tells Christian clergy to abuse children?
He must be mixing this up with his own pedophile “Prophet”, who raped a nine-year-old child.
Walter Sieruk says
Blindly following what those US Catholic bishop say is a sad reflection that many people are unable to think for themselves. This doesn’t say much about human mentality level . I’m in my 60’s and through the year’s I’ve observed many people who say they are Christians, both Catholic and Protestant , and sadly can’t think for themselves. They only parrot ,when they speak, what their priest or pastor tells them.
Carolyne says
That is because they are regarded as sheep and have bought into that nonsense that the Pope is a shepherd tending them.
James Whitney says
The ban is against potential terrorists entering the US, not a ban against Islam. The fact that the potential terrorist threat is directly related to Islam is unfortunate, but as such is irrelevant.
Hogdude says
The U.S. Catholic bishops can open a parish in the Middle East and preach this trash.
Max says
Some Catholic priests wonder why the churches are almost empty. Why would you go to church for them to try to convert you into a Muslim apologist and to ignore the obvious about Muslim thinking? I guess that for some priests, talking about God and not meddling in politics is boring.
Troybeam says
All for the travel ban, too bad these Catholic Bishops have forgotten that many other Presidents but travel bans in place, Carter, Obama are 2 Democratic Presidents who have done the ban and no one raised a voice over it.
Also these men of the Church have done nothing to help protect the Christians in the Middle east but they sure support the Muslim refugees that have invaded other countries and attacked churches. Their misguided attentions are not “Godly” but rather sinister in nature to support the very beings that want to simply destroy you and by supporting them you are supporting the cultural suicide of nations they invade.
AP says
MAGA, ban all muslims.
Pat says
In all the reporting I cannot find a link to the USCCB brief to the Supreme Court. I am leery of your very strongly worded article when you leave out the primary source on which you are reporting. Can you correct this and make the link available, please?
LostProton says
http://www.usccb.org/about/general-counsel/amicus-briefs/upload/usccb-scotus-amicus-brief-20180330-as-filed.pdf
Pat says
Many thanks: Looking forward to studying it. Great service in your speedy response
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LostProton says
The real problem in all this First Amendment condemnation of religious freedom is there is no real definitive description of what truly is a religion and what is a cult. This is difficult for most people but you must do it and that is search the internet and read about the Mamluk Dynasty and the Ottoman Empire both of which were Islamic empires that killed millions of infidels. Pope Francis himself in his visit to Turkey, which was the Ottoman Empire, spoke out against the Islamic controlled Turkish government bringing up the million plus genocide of the Islamic Ottoman Empire that Turkey would like to forget. The next thing to do is get a PDF copy of a legitimate English translation of the Qur’an and using the search engine in the Adobe Reader to look up “infidel” to read what the Qur’an demands the death of infidels.
gravenimage says
US Catholic bishops call Trump’s travel ban “blatant religious discrimination”
………………….
If you don’t want Muslims to rape and murder you, this is “blatant religious discrimination”…