I wrote my forthcoming book The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS mostly chronologically, starting with Muhammad’s conquests in Arabia and moving forward. It’s a bloody history, and one indelible impression one gets from proceeding through the centuries of jihad warfare is of the persistence of the jihadis. They never give up, they never give in, and they never take any setback, no matter how devastating, as decisive. They keep coming, and have kept coming at non-Muslims, from Spain to India and elsewhere, as I show in the book, without respite, without reprieve, without reform.
The last chapter of The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS deals with jihad in the twenty-first century, and opens with 9/11. After having written the story of nearly fourteen hundred years of relentless jihad warfare, George W. Bush’s “Islam is peace” speech at the Islamic Center of Washington, D.C. six days after 9/11 jolted me as it never had previously. Reading Bush’s speech after going through the details of fourteen centuries of jihad against non-Muslims made the speech appear much more startlingly fatuous and self-defeating than it already had even to me. Bush’s suicidal willful ignorance, coming after so much jihad warfare, so many ruined lives, so much bloodshed — it hit me with a wallop.
This book establishes definitively why the West’s entire approach to the global jihad threat since 9/11 has been so wrongheaded and is leading us to political, cultural, and societal disaster. I’ve been trying to sound the alarm on this for many years now, while the moneyed forces of the “Islamophobia” hysteria industry have won the day and marginalized those of us who have been telling the truth about what is happening. The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS is my Hail-Mary-pass, my last effort to try to show people the nature and magnitude of the threat we face. Bush’s speech is just one of many missteps and mistakes made by leaders throughout history when faced with the jihad force. My hope is that if this history is more widely known, and those missteps and mistakes highlighted and explained, maybe some people will wake up to what is happening before it is too late.
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On September 17, 2001, U.S. President George W. Bush appeared at the Islamic Center of Washington, D.C., in the company of several prominent Muslim leaders, and said:
These acts of violence against innocents violate the fundamental tenets of the Islamic faith. And it’s important for my fellow Americans to understand that.
The English translation is not as eloquent as the original Arabic, but let me quote from the Koran, itself: In the long run, evil in the extreme will be the end of those who do evil. For that they rejected the signs of Allah and held them up to ridicule.
The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That’s not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don’t represent peace. They represent evil and war.
When we think of Islam we think of a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. Billions of people find comfort and solace and peace. And that’s made brothers and sisters out of every race—out of every race.
As Americans still searched the smoking ruins of the World Trade Center for the remains of their loved ones, President Bush cautioned Americans against thinking ill of Muslims, as if the 9/11 attacks had been perpetrated by Americans targeting Muslims:
America counts millions of Muslims amongst our citizens, and Muslims make an incredibly valuable contribution to our country. Muslims are doctors, lawyers, law professors, members of the military, entrepreneurs, shopkeepers, moms and dads. And they need to be treated with respect. In our anger and emotion, our fellow Americans must treat each other with respect.
Women who cover their heads in this country must feel comfortable going outside their homes. Moms who wear cover must be not intimidated in America. That’s not the America I know. That’s not the America I value.
I’ve been told that some fear to leave; some don’t want to go shopping for their families; some don’t want to go about their ordinary daily routines because, by wearing cover, they’re afraid they’ll be intimidated. That should not and that will not stand in America.
Those who feel like they can intimidate our fellow citizens to take out their anger don’t represent the best of America, they represent the worst of humankind, and they should be ashamed of that kind of behavior.
This is a great country. It’s a great country because we share the same values of respect and dignity and human worth. And it is my honor to be meeting with leaders who feel just the same way I do. They’re outraged, they’re sad. They love America just as much as I do.
Muslims were not being subjected to wholesale vigilante attacks in the United States, at that time or at any point subsequently. This speech was an exercise in vassalage that would have made the late-fourteenth- and early-fifteenth-century Byzantine emperors ashamed, yet Bush was by no means alone. Political leaders all over the West echoed his words about Islam’s being a religion of peace, having nothing to do with terrorism. After September 11, this became a commonplace of the Western political discourse, rejected only by a small minority, who were quickly stigmatized as cranks.
All these years later, it is clear: Bush’s speech set the pattern. After every jihad attack, non-Muslim leaders have followed his example, making it their highest priority to affirm that Islam is peace and that Muslims are victims. Bush deformed the West’s response to the resurgent jihad, and poisoned the public discourse so that attempts to discuss this problem honestly are consigned to the realms of “Islamophobia” and condemned by all right-thinking people.
This could be Bush’s most enduring, and most damaging, legacy.
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Andy says
When I head G W Bush say that “religion of peace” comment, I wondered who is he working for?
Save Europe says
In cahoots with his dear friends in Saudi Arabia. After all, what does Saudi Aramco stand for and who owns 6 percent of American debt? That’s just the tip of the iceberg….
Terry Gain says
When I heard it I concluded that Bush was not smart enough to understand that his State Department was run by liberals who were lying to him about Islam.
gordon miller says
He was just repeating words that he was told to utter by his handlers.
blitz2b says
Imagine if idiot G.W Bush had to be honest and openly state something like this
“… We know Muslims in America and around the world can be peaceful however we should investigate why the religion of Islam hates us…”
I’m sure the world would be a much different place then it is today….
How are we to defeat the enemy if we are too afraid to even name the ideology they are adhering to, to subjugate, humiliate and conquer us?
The courage and honesty of Trump in this age of deception and appeasement of all things Islamic is although a couple of decades too late, yet refreshing.
PRCS says
Not to be mean, but “the religion of Islam” doesn’t hate us.
Yes, its texts clearly do teach hatred of “unbelievers”. All of us.
But it is Islam’s followers who actually hate us, and some number of them are willing to act out what those texts teach.
TruthWFree says
But it is the core evil hate filled teachings of Islam (it’s allah god and false prophet) that exhort Muslims to kill unbelievers. Islam is the root of the problem and should be outlawed in America…and the world.
shea says
I tried to submit to red dit and got this message, LINKE SHORTNERS ARE NOT ALLOWED ON REDDIT, so I could not post to reddit by the reddit button, also could you add some other social media buttons to share by, thanks
mortimer says
CONCLUSION ABOUT BUSH’S OBVIOUSLY WRONG STATEMENT:
The ELITES DO NOT WANT THE CORRECT ANSWER … namely that …
“Islam is a world-conquest, supremacist, political IDEOLOGY using every means, foul or fair to subjugate ALL COUNTRIES under discriminatory Sharia law and controlled by ISLAMIC DICTATORSHIPS. Over 51% of the primary source texts of Islam are concerned with POLITICS, rather than with religion.”
shea says
I posted it with, the regular site address on reddit, I’ll see if it gets removed tho,
mortimer says
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GOOD PRACTICING MUSLIM and a GOOD NON-PRACTICING PERSON
GOOD MUSLIMS ARE NOT PERFECT NEIGHBORS… MOHAMMED ATTACKED EVERY NEIGHBOR
GOOD MUSLIMS ATTACK EVERY NEIGHBOR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KAkdrb4sHI&t=35s
Creole Gumbo says
When I heard Bush say that I felt like vomiting. I wondered where he had gone to school and what, if any, history books he had read.
Richard says
You are talking about the man who thought it a revelation that imports come from overseas and that the French don’t have a word for entrepreneur so not really a surprise….
The problem is that the reality of Islam is an inconvenient truth for the elites.
gravenimage says
Actually, the word “entrepreneur” is derived from the French.
brenrod says
True, the question is why he, the bush family and so many others want to deceive me to believe the opposite of reality is true?
gravenimage says
Lots of Infidels are in denial ablout the threat of Islam. I don’t believe Bush was any different.
KJW says
Because the Saudis make them say that. If it weren’t for oil, we wouldn’t be having this problem. They are bullies. Go look up the Euro-Arab Dialogue. Now that Saudis have so many investments in the US, it’s even worse. We owe too much debt. Saudis bought water out West. UAE company running Port Canaveral, Delaware. This is infrastructure stuff which our government is not to alllow. Apparently the Saudis own most of Britain’s docks. So, Saudis tell Bush to say that and Bush may or may not have known that peace is when all submit to Islam and also in the Quran the verse that says if the ignorant (or foolish) address you with harsh words, say Peace! Peace to them isn’t our conception of it…we are Dar al-Harb.
These elites, globalists, the Bilderberg folks, are making decisions without citizen agreement and affecting our lives in a deeply negative way causing anxiety and worry, no less, an existential threat and loss of freedoms for ideas they do not know the consequences of except they have already become bad and will get worse. A tactic is demoralizing people such as denigrating nationality, flags, customs, focus on negative history without balance, and being concerned that people are offended (Muslims) over Christmas trees, etc. causing division, endlessly talking about race…all demoralizing. Seems diabolical, and it is because of so much lying, subversion, smearing people, and for what, really?
These politicians don’t talk openly because they don’t want consensus. They already had their childhood-they don’t care about anyone else’s. To coddle Islam is heinous. A self-proclaimed prophet who sanctioned slavery, polygamy, child marriage, a hypocrite making up verses conveniently when needed and mental problems-once suicidal. Read the Hadith and it’s almost unbelievable that people worship him. That’s what Bush, et al are coddling. Lust and war. They have reserved seats in Dante’s Inferno waiting for them. Islam makes sure they’ll be tortured in all sorts of sick ways described on the Quran.
aSally says
He is/was an idiot. His father, however, was pure evil.
gravenimage says
I don’t think Bush 41 was a great president. But what made him “pure evil”?
J D S says
I liked Bush, both of them….compared to Clinton…..but to say what he did give me a set back…….Even a minister in my church responded with the same…Roberts forthcoming book surely will get a rebuff from the Muslim world because like he says, they keep pushing no matter the set backs they have.
I believe that All this migration mess was planned years ago,after they had tried many other pushes and failed. This is just another step in their overall plan for world domination. Migration put many more jihadist on the ground than they could have otherwise put forth and in the U.S. They had a cohort in Obama. Europe with its border situation made migration more easy and we can easily see what’s happening there.
They have no huge military force to conquer the world so they are using migration with all Its LOOPHOLES and so called lone wolves creating a sense of fear in the citizenry
along with a political leadership in the west that is afraid of its own shadow leaving a void that opens up a roadway for Islam and it’s adherents to travel freely.
Is there an answer to the predicament? Sure there is
but the outcome would be do devastating that it will probably never happen. So that leaves one option….and as usual one tries everything before one tries GOD…..If world leaders as well as the populations would turn to God and PRAY God will answer..but no, no. NO, people limit God’s power to theirs.
gravenimage says
The option is to keep Muslims from flooding into the West, and to begin deporting those that are here. Start with the worst Jihadists.
dumbledoresarmy says
Exactly.
And I think that is what we jihadwatchers have to push for.
If *Muslims* can use ‘entrisme’ and gradualism.. SO CAN WE.
Andy says
Sorry, When I heard G.W. Bush
Andy says
We all know what GWB should have done, He should have said that “ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION OF PEACE”
ISLAM IS TOTALLY BANNED IN OUR COUNTRY and I hope other democratic nations will also do the same and ban Islam!!!
If I was President that’ is what I would have said and done!
Wellington says
Bush 43, Andy, would not have had the authority under the Constitution to ban Islam, nor is it needed that Islam be banned. What is needed is that Islam be accurately described as the one major religion which is inimical to freedom (which Bush 43 clearly did not do), just as the secular totalitarian ideologies, Nazism and Marxism, have been (N.B., neither Nazism nor Marxism are banned in America but they have been exposed as malevolent and foolish {with the notable exception of Marxism still stupidly being embraced by academics aplenty}; the same needs to happen to Islam).
Quite frankly, Andy, you need to become better informed about American law before you post again. As of date, you are unwittingly an obstacle to intelligently thwarting Islam’s designs rather than cogently combating them (unless, of course, you are a troll, but, if you are, what I just stated still applies).
BTW, invoking Alex Jones as you have on another thread as any kind of authority is not a good route to follow. One knows this or should know it, because in the fight against what Islam intends for us all it is imperative we are as best informed and sensible as possible. Invoking Alex Jones or (per your statement) asserting if you were President you would ban Islam is, to put it mildly, a total non-starter, constitutionally and legally. Gee, Andy, I wonder if you get any of this?
Whether troll or not, so far you are not helpful to denying to Islam what it seeks for all the world. Reconsider. Much.
Andy says
GEE Wiz Wellington
I get it from being a PATRIOT and having a daughter and son-in-law serving in the Armed Forces smart ass!!!
I STILL SAY BAN ISLAM!!
Andy says
I love freedom of speech!
Everyone even Alex Jones should have an opinion!
Andy says
Tommy Robinson was on the Alex Jones show, Or is that no up to your high standards Wellington ?
Andy says
Another thing Weldohead, When the twin towers were destroyed in that horrendous attack 9/11/2001,
America was attacked by a “religion of peace” ISLAM. What kind of idiot President would say a “RELIGION OF PEACE” Give me a break.
Its the Ideology stupid!!
Andy says
Hey wellington,
You know that the UK has BANNED: Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Michael Savage.AND A LOT MORE.
The UK does NOT have free speech.
Do you want this to happen to America????
BAN ISLAM!!!!!
Andy says
‘EUROPE IS HELL!’ (Tommy Robinson Uncut)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i18Pi6el9U
Terry Gain says
Wellington
The President has the right to ban entry to anyone. And banning Muslims is very much necessary. As you well know, Islam is a seditious ideology of conquest. Muslims are determined to take over the world and they will succeed everywhere unless banned.
This lawyer says Andy is right.
Andy says
Thank you, Terry
Cheers!
Andy
Wellington says
Well, Andy, first of all, you shifted the goalposts on me. You went from, per your 5:40 P.M. and 6:18 P.M. posts that argued for totally banning Islam in America, to your 6:46 P.M. post which goes to the very different issue of a President having the right (under a 1952 statute passed when Truman was President) to ban anyone from entering the country. Two VERY DIFFERENT MATTERS. I support the latter and do not the former, being the lawyer that I am.
Second, you took the loss of freedom in the UK, which sadly surely has occurred over the last twenty years or so, to rhetorically asking me if I want the same thing in America? Of course I don’t. I am as staunch a defender of the First Amendment, the Second Amendment too, and all of the American Constitution as ever you will find.
Andy, all this is not just a cheap shot by you, it is a stupid cheap shot having no basis in reality. In fact, this post of yours (6:45 P.M.), calling again for the banning of Islam in America, which I have already tried to tell you is not, under present constitutional and statutory law possible, came just one minute before your post of 6:46 P.M. and which I already mentioned, which went to a very different issue, i.e., the POTUS having the right to ban anyone from coming to America whom the President deems a threat. My God, at least be consistent, will ya’?
Finally, I do believe everyone has a right to their opinion and to express it publicly, including of course Alex Jones, but Alex Jones is a nut job and you know this or should know it. Do you even know that Jones still maintains that 9/11 was an “inside job?” Yes, do you even know this? As Undauted posted just yesterday on a different thread, Jones is a “flim-flam” man. Get this? Unfortunately, I don’t think you do.
Andy says
Wellington I’m not entertaining you anymore with your nonsense,
I’m going to end this with:
PATRIOTS have fought and died for freedom of speech, Which my family have done and are doing.
YOU CAN CALL ANY NAME YOU WANT!!!
JUST DON’T CALL ME LATE FOR SUPPER!!!!!!!!!!
gravenimage says
Andy, Wellington is a lawyer, and he has taught law at the university level.
He is quite right that Islam itself cannot be banned–and need not be banned in order to be discredited and marginalized. As he noted, banning immigration from Muslim states is a different matter.
And Undaunted is right–Wellington is a long time respected poster here.
Andy says
To gravenimage,
The other lawyer here, I believe is Terry Gain and he said:
Terry Gain says
Apr 13, 2018 at 6:46 pm
Wellington
“The President has the right to ban entry to anyone. And banning Muslims is very much necessary. As you well know, Islam is a seditious ideology of conquest. Muslims are determined to take over the world and they will succeed everywhere unless banned.
This lawyer says Andy is right.”
Ban Islam and Sharia Law in the United States of America
https://www.change.org/p/u-s-senate-president-of-the-united-states-ban-islam-and-sharia-law-in-the-united-states-of-america
Joe says
Andy means well which is more important than any legal position. Lawyers are too full of themselves. Trying to ban people who don’t know the law is wrong by design. In many personal and public cases that I have seen, a knowledge of the law isn’t worth much, because the law is not followed.
Andy, please keep posting.
Wellington says
Terry Gain: I completely agree with you that a President has the right to ban anyone from entering the country for any reason, pursuant to the 1952 law I already mentioned. Indeed, I would relish a ban on ALL Muslims from entering the country. BUT, Andy asserted in his posts here that he wants a President to ban Islam in America. This is something very different.
Andy is an ignoramus. I know you are not. But Andy stupidly has invoked you to prove a point which has no foundation in American constitutional and statutory law.
PRCS says
You are absolutely correct, Wellington.
The notion that a belief can actually be banned, literally banned–in the U.S.–is irrational nonsense.
And the difference between “banning an ideology” and banning the entry of people into our country should be obvious to any right thinking person.
Mark Swan says
Western birthrates are among the world’s lowest, but there is a baby boom in Muslim countries. The Islamic ‘youth bulge’ is truly enormous.
With the vigor Europeans and North Americans once had, Muslim families are producing babies. This means that as the newly burgeoning populations grow, their religion and culture will clash with the existing Western order—but one side will be on the rapid rise, gaining new voters with each new election, while the other will be on the defensive, forced to face the reality.
But is an Islamic world truly the future? Or are there some surprises down the road.
The West should not submit quietly to the demographic crisis—and that time is running out for them to act. We can be sure we are entering into momentous times, when nations and groups of nations will feel forced to act in ways quite contrary to what their hearts and long-cherished values now lead them to believe are possible.
Complacent Westerners, secure in their comfortable mindset, may believe (or hope) that such a calamity could not possibly occur in our modern, enlightened, civilized world. But consider the choices Westerners will soon face. They must either give up their freedom, culture and national heritage—effectively cease to exist—or they must take some very drastic and unpleasant steps.
Wellington says
First of all, Andy, on your part in your 8:25 P.M. post that should be “you’re” and not “your” (twice over in fact).
Second, I don’t think taunting and insulting Undaunted is a smart policy move.
Third, I notice that since I challenged you, you’ve had to stoop to insult (e.g., calling me “Weldohead”) with both myself and Undaunted. Out of real arguments, eh?
Fourth, I know the Constitution and American law and you don’t. Yes, we both despise Islam; we have this much in common. But insupportable constitutional and legal proposals (e.g., calling for the banning of Islam in America as you have done) only hurts the cause of the overall anti-jihad movement.
Fifth, learn well my four points above, especially the fourth one.
Undaunted says
Yeah, what you said, Wellington. Get some.
Andy says
If Mr.Spencer want to ban me, It’s is up to him to do it not you. Everyone has the right to there comment and Free Speech. Some people have fought and died for it. Not like a bunch of draft dodgers!
Kurt says
Give him some slack Wellington, it’s an emotional topic. At any rate U.S. wins by battling ideas thanks to 1st amend. Thats how communism, nazism, didn’t spread largely here. If we silence the battle with Islam we have lost.
Andy says
TRUTH SOUNDS LIKE HATE TO THOSE WHO HATE THE TRUTH
Undaunted says
Andy, you have destroyed by your own hand any credibility you wanted to pose in your comments here.
Robert has created a site that stands strong against the lies of Islam and whatever angle of attack you’re taking here, you need to back off, regroup and get your intellect in gear rather than your emotions.
Nobody gives a shit about the kin you have associated with the US military; that doesn’t earn you blog-cred here. So, either get your shit together and add positively to the mission here or shut the fuck up.
Andy says
YOu shut the fuck up asshole
Andy says
To: Undaunted
If Mr.Spencer wants to ban me, It’s is up to him to do it not you. Everyone has the right to there comment and Free Speech. Some people have fought and died for it. Not like a bunch of draft dodgers!
gravenimage says
Andy, Undaunted is also very respected here–especially as an expert in security and law enforcement.
Your insults to him and Wellington are just childish.
And replying to your silly posts here is in no way a threat to have you banned. Responding to the speech of others is not a threat to freedom of speech; it *is* freedom of speech.
Andy says
Oh, boy
If someone is swearing at me, I’m not going to take it it lying down, You better expect some kind of blow back. like undaunted, you want to swear at me, I’ll respond in kind.
Everyone loves the little club there in.
Enjoy.
Undaunted says
Thanks for the 6 GI.
Andy seems to be digging his own grave. I don’t see any reason to slow him down.
Andy says
It will be the real patriots of the land who will keep the freedom of any land, Not the intellectual of great debates on Islam.
ARE YOU WILLING TO STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR YOUR COUNTRY IF CALLED UPON!
Kurt says
You need to calm down.
mccode says
GWB will stand among history’s most vacuous and dangerous leaders.
mummymovie says
Agreed- President Cheney, and his ventriloquist talking dummy, George were beyond disastrous.
In addition to Bush making a jihadist superhero out of OBL and world-renowned superstars out of al qaeda in his speech immediately following the September 11th attacks, their highly criminal and dubious-to-this-day invasion of Iraq that followed was an unparalleled disaster that contributed greatly to the tragic, apocalyptic, nightmarish hijra into the West we are now bearing witness to.
Obama following behind was equally disastrous: The two administrations back-to back creating a perfect storm of empowerment of the violent forces of islam and opening the floodgates for the historical mortal enemies of civilization and the West to march right into our homelands.
J D S says
AN OLD LAWYER JOKE:…What would make a good a good START?
Taking a boat load of lawyers out to sea and sinking it.
Andy does make some sense but Islam can not be banned!
Even if the president could, by the stroke of a pen ban Islam, even with the approval of congress…The very next day and I do mean the next day his ban would be in the courts as seen by his just trying to
Ban Muslims from a few countries….the courts jumped in right away.
Now as I have said many times before it will take laws passed to address Islam’s teachings which AUTHORIZES it’s adherents to commit such atrocities that makes one sick….Therein lies the problem. Still these laws would face court scrutiny.
What other religion..(If Islam can actually be called a God based religion),,,,calls for its adherents to commit such atrocities as does islam? So there is where banning comes in..If not the religion then the atrocities found in it…but take away these things and there is nothing much left for them to use to conquer the world. SO WHAT TO DO is the question but SOMETHING must be done and soon.
Avenger says
The worst president ever!
He has crippled this nation for a generation or more.
A vile, scum sucking, swamp creature that can be beckoned by the House of Saud with one snap of their blood stained fingers. He was suckling on their greasy teats long before he became a US president.
gravenimage says
Does that mean you prefered Obama, who said that the future must not belong to those who criticize the prophet of Islam?
mummymovie says
C’mon.
He and Obama back-to-back were the dynamic duo of disaster, and together are much of the reason we are here now, almost daily, on JW.
Gravenimage, Ive been reading your comments for a long time: You can’t possibly, in retrospect, think Cheney’s invasion of Iraq was a good thing, could you?
Just because one is not a fan of Bush, does not mean one is a fan of Obama.
They both screwed things up together on a massive scale (at least in terms of the issues you and I seem to commonly feel are important). That is now obvious:
Bush, unkowingly-manipulated and controlled by the evil dick, Cheney;
And Obama, willingly- himself a jihad-supporting, hijra-enabling closet muslim
mummymovie says
Tandemly, back-to-back (and with the help of the EU and UN) they played us -the West- right into the hands of our enemies, and contributed greatly to landing us in the pinch we find ourselves in today.
gravenimage says
There is no doubt that Bush made a lot of serious mistakes. I do believe that despite his shortcomings that he is a patriotic American. Not sure I can say the same of Obama…
mummymovie says
Agreed, if we are talking about them as individuals.
Bush, manipulated by Cheney, foolishly and ignorantly led us into the mouth of madness and thus opened Pandora’s box.
Obama knew what he was doing- He intentionally dragged us further into the pit. He was the cherry on top of the FUBAR sundae Cheney got started.
Both almost equally bad in terms of their administrations.
Avenger says
I’m a Conservative GI, that’s why I feel like vomiting every time I see a photo of Obama or Bush. Bush dodged the VN war as skillfully as Clinton. Being drunk and on drugs while serving in the National Guard does not make a patriot. The douche also squandered our nations treasure and young men in Iraq just to show his Dad he’d get even with Saddam for threatening assassination. This grandiose war also made some individuals and corporations filthy rich. Most were Bush family and friends.
Obama is a Muslim, why did people expect him to act any differently?
mummymovie says
Couldn’t agree more!
gravenimage says
I am not the biggest fan of GW Bush on all matters–certainly not his draft dodging.
But I do believe we could have done much worse than him when 9/11 happened. Gore would have been significanlty worse, and Obama (not that he was running that early, but still) *much* worse.
Of course, I wish we had had a Churchill at the helm instead, but things are not always ideal.
David M says
George W is a war criminal who, along with Blair, should be before an international court for their illegal invasion of Iraq, who had nothing to do with 9/11.
JawsV says
Geo W Bush didn’t know what he was talking about. It’s painful to read his idiotic and uninformed speech to America after 9/11. The shame belongs on Bush for misleading Americans about Islam. He was a history major at Yale. Apparently Islamic history wasn’t on his syllabi.
Terry Gain says
Those who tell the truth about Islamic doctrine and history are dismissed as haters and Islamophobes. Political Correctness reigns supreme and has replaced thinking.
aSally says
It would appear that a lot of members of famous political families get social passes at these Ivy League schools. Ted Kennedy did as well. Too bad. I guess money just roars there. It does tend to de-value the education they tout.
gravenimage says
Why it was so devastating when George W. Bush said “Islam is peace” right after 9/11
……………………….
One has to wonder how many Americans were discouraged from studying Islam after receiving this foolish assertion.
More:
The English translation is not as eloquent as the original Arabic, but let me quote from the Koran, itself: In the long run, evil in the extreme will be the end of those who do evil. For that they rejected the signs of Allah and held them up to ridicule.
……………………….
What Bush did not understand is that this is a threat against the *victims* of Islam, specifically a threat against those who do not submit to Islam.
9/11 was, in fact, the perfect example of that threat carried out.
More:
When we think of Islam we think of a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. Billions of people find comfort and solace and peace.
……………………….
Unfortunately, all too many Muslims found “comfort” in this pious Jihad attack on the “filthy Infidels”.
Qur’an 9:14-15:
“Fight them [those who oppose Islam], Allah will torment them with your hands, humiliate them, empower you over them, and heal the hearts of the believers, removing the rage from their hearts”
Save Europe says
When I read the words ‘the long run’ it was clear he wasn’t even quoting directly or succinctly from the Koran, but from the woeful last (proper) Eagles’ studio album. I mean those words are pure American phraseology.
gravenimage says
True–Bush was not quoting from the Qur’an–at best, he was paraphrasing.
Carolyne says
Does GWB read or speak Arabic? How does he know the Koran is eloquent? Some Saudi likely told him so. I cringed every time I hear him say “Islam is the religion of peace.” As I recall, those were the exact words, but I could be wrong. I really don’t know if he was an evil man or just dumb. I recall the look on his face when he was reading to children (IMO a silly thing for a President to do anyway) when he was told about the New York attack. . I have never seen a more stupid look or even one as stupid as his expression. When I think of him, I always in my mind picture him at that moment.
He was a tool of the Saudis. Probably something to do with the oil business which his family runs.
Benedict says
When president Bush, and others with him, declare that Islam is peace they are giving expression to wishful thinking. If Islam is not peace we in the West would be at war with one and a half billion Muslims, many millions of them living and breeding in the West, and that prospect is just too frighting to consider. Unfortunately, not to consider it is dangerously naive and jeopardizes our whole existence.
Islam gives rise to terror; Islam is a real threat and a potential menace and a recipe for chaos wherever its adherents settle, because Islam is a product of a fake and lying prophet who got his revelations from the Snake who seduces the world.
Terry Gain says
Benedict
I would describe it differently. Those who claim that Islam is a religion of peace are telling the greatest lie ever told. But it is more than that. It is not just false but a dangerous falsehood which, if believed by the government, will prevent us from taking the steps needed to preserve our freedoms.
Andy says
+1
gravenimage says
Like many, though, I think he believed it.
PRCS says
Because Uncle Nihad got to him first.
Avenger says
I’m a Conservative GI, that’s why I feel like vomiting every time I see a photo of Obama or Bush. Bush dodged the VN war as skillfully as Clinton. Being drunk and on drugs while serving in the National Guard does not make a patriot. The douche also squandered our nations treasure and young men in Iraq just to show his Dad he’d get even with Saddam for threatening assassination. This grandiose war also made some individuals and corporations filthy rich. Most were Bush family and friends.
Obama is a Muslim, why did people expect him to act any differently?
Raja says
Benedict,
You have summed up Islam very well
Boston Tea Party says
And I would argue that Bush’s “Islam is a religion of peace,” mantra was the logic behind the entire Iraq war. He believed that Muslims were just “ordinary moms and dads,” who just wanted to live like good liberal westerners. And if the US military just eliminated that “tiny minority of extremists” from their ranks, why, then Iraq would look just like Japan in no time, and then the other Muslim countries would follow suit.
The idea that Islam was the reason that the Muslim world was so backwards didn’t even cross his mind.
JawsV says
Polygamists with up to 4 wives and numerous kids are ordinary Mom’s and Dad’s? How did Bush figure that? Oh, I guess to mention Islamic polygamy would be “islamophobic.”
Carolyne says
I think they are ordinary moms (plural) and dad (singular.) Call me Islamophobic. It’s an epithet I wear with honor.
gravenimage says
Unfortunately, lots of people in the West *still* want to believe that pious Muslims are decent people like everyone else.
Dude says
I got the impression that he was just reading what his captors there had written for him.
JawsV says
Yeah. He didn’t know anything. The worst possible president for 9/11. Though I can’t think of any politician who’s informed and knowledgeable about Islam.
mummymovie says
From what I always remembered reading somewhere, the Bush admin didn’t even know the difference between Sunni and Shiite when they plotted Cheney’s invasion of Iraq.
gravenimage says
Bush was no doubt clueless–but, no–he was not anyone’s “captive”.
gravenimage says
The “Islam is a religion of peace” thing dates back to 1930 in a publication in India. It was always intended as Taqiyya.
RodSerling says
Indeed, Gravenimage, the history of Islamic image management goes all the back to the founding of the cult itself. The Qur’an instructs Muhammad (and Muslims) to use words like ‘peace’ to the non-Muslims, and adds “but they will come to know,”* a foreshadowing of a devastating outcome for the non-Muslims as told in the later verses.
*43:88 “God has knowledge) of the (Prophet’s) cry, “O my Lord! Truly these are people who will not believe!”
43:89 But turn away from them, and say “Peace!” But soon shall they know!”
JawsV says
“War is deceit.” — Muhammed
gravenimage says
True, Rod and Jaws. I just meant the specific “Islam is a religion of peace” meme word for word dates to 1930. The Taqiyya is, as you note, much older.
Niemoller says
Yes, totally agree. I’ve been saying that Bush’s two massive strategic errors were:
1. Fatuously claiming “Islam means peace” with no proof, thereby creating phony ammunition for cultural jihadists to fool naive non-Muslims.
2. Telling Americans to “go shopping” and let the military handle everything, thereby robbing American civilians from following in the nostalgic and patriotic footsteps of their grandparents on the homefront, who enthusiastically made modest but crucial sacrifices during WWII and felt part of defeating the Axis Powers. Today, American civilians feel disconnected and almost alienated from the post-9/11 wars, unless they have an immediate relative in them.
Mark Swan says
Absolutely Niemoller
Rarely says
If we look back at the immediate aftermath of 9/11 and the outrage most of us felt, especially when our news media showed the wild, zombie-like celebrations by the arab muslims in the Middle East, we get a better understanding of why GWB would make such a speech when he did.
My first thoughts after 9/11 was that the well-armed American far right might exact revenge against the entire American muslim community and that a wholesale slaughter could be in the offing. Some of the comments I have read on this website suggest that many feel that this would have been a good (if not necessary) thing.
Could it be that he was simply trying to defuse the situation at home and keep things from getting out of hand? I think so and, furthermore, I think it was proper to do so.
I do, however, disagree with much of the ensuing U.S. policy in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. under GWB (and even more so under Obama) and am disturbed by the present situation as anyone. However when wholesale bigotry and extermination or deportation is seen as the solution we should stand back and take a better look at it. There have to be better solutions and we’d better find one or we are no better than they are.
Furthermore, I have never seen Robert Spencer advocate violence or wholesale deportation although some of the comments presume that he does. I assume that he is merely trying to bring awareness to the complexities of the problem before we end up in the position Germany and other European countries are in. I suspect things will get pretty messy in Germany and England before this is all over. After all the Germans and British are hardly a bunch of pantywaists.
Niemoller says
I think you missed Spencer’s point. It wasn’t about defusing the right. Bush’s little comment became the fundamentally wrong rationale for his war, and it remains wrong today, since Obama only hardened the Bush position. Your “first thoughts” after 9/11 were wildly inaccurate and biased anyway.
Rarely says
Gratefully my “first thoughts” were wildly inaccurate. They were neither “wishes” nor “predictions” but “fears”. GWB’s policies after 9/11 were very poorly thought out and, in many ways, disastrous. Obama was even worse, if possible.
Niemoller says
We basically agree then, but I think Bush’s comments were a symptom of why he was unsuited to be President (as most of them are, but him more than average). Just because he hung around the White House before didn’t give him experience or knowledge.
Terry Gain says
Rarely
I am not aware of any responsible conservative who has suggested that Muslim Americans are not entitled to their Constitutional Rights.
gravenimage says
The idea that evil Americans were poised to mass slaughter random Muslims after 9/11 is just grotesque calumny.
Mark Swan says
Absolutely gravenimage—that was a blatant example of (biased) false statements
with malicious intent.
gravenimage says
Since “Rarely” started posting here just a few days ago, he has made it sound as though it is Muslims who are threatened by “Islamophobes”, rather than Muslims who are raping and murdering us. Just sickening calumny.
Lumping in restricting Muslim immigration and the deportation of Jihadists with “extermination” is also grotesque.
Ren says
Whoever claims that “islam is peace” is an ignorant.
Terry Gain says
Ren
Either ignorant (in the sense of not knowledgable) or a liar.
Ren says
@Terry Gain
Bush was obviously ignorant. The muslims that told Bush to publicly claim “islam is peace” are liars.
JawsV says
The Muslims played Bush like a fiddle.
PRCS says
JawsV,
Yes, they certainly did.
As an aside, I don’t recall GWB ever admitting that he was wrong about that.
mummymovie says
Remember that Ahmed Chalabi guy who also played them into playing with our military lives to take out secular Saddam, who -as wretched as he was- was the only thing keeping Iran AND Sunni religious extremists at bay, and was the plug in the dam, preventing the whole region from plunging into complete chaos? HUGE mistake. Now we know why Saddam was such a murderous bastard- that’s what it took for the job.
It’s all over now, of course, but Cheney was the one pulling the strings and turning the screws. He should be prosecuted for toying around with our military like that.
Bush was just a puppet, totally played by all the “bad actors”.
JawsV says
I’ve wondered about that too, PRCS. It’s 17 years post-9/11. The world has been filled with murderous Jihads. Has Bush learned anything? Or, does he keep peddling the “peace” camel poop in order to save face? He would have to admit that he was president and a Yale graduate yet knew nothing about Islam. I don’t think he’s admitted to his blunder or ever will.
PRCS says
“I don’t think he’s admitted to his blunder or ever will.”
Agree.
Mark Swan says
Very Good Point PRCS— your post—Apr 14, 2018 at 2:32 am—“I don’t recall GWB ever admitting that he was wrong”.
RodSerling says
No doubt Bush’s unconscionably egregious promotion of the Orwellian “Islam is peace” propaganda has contributed to the West’s current dangerously confused state about the threat of jihad and sharia. However, his statements–or those accepted from his speechwriter–were a result of him relying too heavily on the thought and policy to other specialists. Of course, any leader must rely on experts to an extent, but the leader must have the wisdom and common sense to make the best use of the experts and to reject dangerous nonsense. Bush failed to do that. And guess what almost all of these specialists, by the turn of the century, believed about Islam? The Islamists and the anti-Western Islamophilic Left had already succeeded in winning their areas in academia by that time. So when politicians turned to the experts for policy advice, what did they get? Islamic propaganda. Bush himself was a product of the same politically correct educational system and culture. Certainly presidents should be held accountable for their words, but in this case the words were supplied by others, and those others held (and hold) Islamophilic views. If these experts had given Bush different advice (e.g., “No, Mr. President, establishing sharia-based law in Afghanistan and Iraq is a bad idea, totally unethical, and completely counter to our principles of freedom and equality, and actually in agreement with our enemies”) I think we would see different outcomes. Bush was both a product of, and a contributor to, this decades-long trend of politically correct, pro-Islamic, anti-Western thought and policy. On this issue though I see Bush as more of a follower than a leader.
dumbledoresarmy says
Yes.
Good comment.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Rod.
mgoldberg says
The idea, the ideology of Jihad is what needs to be uncovered, discussed and illuminated as the driving spearhead of Islamic tyranny. That is what needs to be spotlighted. Then, the ideas and ideals of the Sharia can be fought against, disallowed according to American law, and principles. The banning of Islam is not what is needed nor necessary. In fact it is the Sharia which does the reverse- it bans discussion of Islam for what it has (Jihad) and what it preaches against ( all others) and thus prevents knowledge of it’s actual teachings, goals, tyranny, and it’s ruthless failings. It’s the banning of ‘incorrect’ thinking, speech and discussion by Islam, the sharia and the politically correct of the left, and some of the right that have lead us down this road of th self deception disorder.
When I heard Bush say ‘Islam means peace’, I was curious-I knew it didn’t but the extent of the disorder of the globalists, the utopians, to make the world all the ‘same’ was frought with ignorance and ill will, and a history of denial and falsity. That said, I was learning from all those, like Robert, and all the others who were opening the doors to the actual study of the Jihad, and the history of Islam, the history of western civilization, and the history of ideas that needs to very much be taught outside of the ruinous confines of the ‘correct’
To defeat the Jihad, Sharia must be understood, fought and disallowed as law for non muslims, at the least. and only privately for muslims. Jihad must be defeated, fought, understood, and neither diminished, nor denied. And for that- the discussions about Islam and history must never be allowed to be silenced.
Andy says
What you said Jay reminds me of that Twilight Zone episode episode:
“To Serve Man”
Boston Tea Party says
Yes, I’m surprised that post came from you and not from RodSerling. 🙂
Andy says
Hello Boston
I’m currently going thru all the original Twilight Zone episode series. I seen most of them but some I have forgotten and the writers could sure pack a punch in those 25 minutes! I know some episodes were the hour long ones.
The writing was just fantastic by Mr. Serling and others.
Boston Tea Party says
It’s my favorite TV show of all time. Serling was brilliant.
gravenimage says
Yes–a very good show.
Ashley says
True story…
My long deceased mother was briefly engaged to Rod Serling. Their romance blossomed while both attended Antioch College in Yellow Springs, OH.
I have photos of mom and Rod. But here’s the kicker: The last letter from Rod told mom “I’m sorry, Pat. Keep the ring. I can’t marry you. I find you too strange.”
I live with the knowledge that I’m the product of a woman too strange for Rod Serling…
JawsV says
Well, “keep the ring” was nice.
gravenimage says
Interesting story, Ashley. 🙂
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
mr spencer, is christianity peaceful when mithraist christian Byzantines killed and expelled Jews from palestine, the church led genocidal killings of more than 20 million Muslims ànd Jews during crusade wars ,the issuing religious by the church In spain to kill all muslims and Jews or convert to mithraist christianity, more than 50 millions kiłled by mithraist christians during colonisation ànd deprivations of other nations, more than 17 million black Africans thrown by mithraist christians into deep sea waters ànd eatened by sharks during transatlantic slave trade, 13 million jews killed by mithraist christian Nazis ànd more than 3 million Iraqis killed by mithraist christians where some unexploded cluster bombs were found bearing mithraist biblical verses like Issaiah ànd samuel 15:3?
All these atrocities have been committed with inspiration from holy spirit because mithraist christians believe that all their actions are guided by holy spirit. Am i right?
mgoldberg says
No
Rarely says
Heck. He never gets ANYTHING right.
boakai ngombu says
+1
gravenimage says
Nope, Jay Boo. He just wants us to feel guilty over harm done to Jews by any non-Muslims in history–meanwhile, he is still fantasizing about rocks and trees callling out “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me; come kill him!” per the Hadiths.
gravenimage says
This from Ibrahim itace muhammed is ludicrous, given that he is for slavery, and has said that he looks forward to personally take part in the genocide of the Jews.
JawsV says
Why anyone reads the lunatic ravings of the insane Muslim on this site is beyond me. Why even bother? He’s not going to change! To quote Diderot, “Islam is the enemy of reason.”
Rotten Eye says
I agree. Everyone should ignore the fool. That will drive him the final step to insanity. And maybe he will kill himself.
Carolyne says
Actually, I think Ibraham is good for a laugh. He needs to work some more with his delivery and take it on the road. Not ready for prime time, though.
gravenimage says
Hi, Jaws. I do not expect Ibrahim itace muhammed to change–I doubt he ever will. I do not address him directly; I just parse his ugliness for any interested Infidels here.
He offers an ugly but important glimpse into the diseased Muslim mindset. Robert Spencer himself has affirmed that this is what makes his ugliness useful here.
Islamic Mirror says
By Suzy Muir5 months ago
MUHAMMAD is the reason the Muslim’s are not allowed to drink…Because when he went to pray he was falling over DRUNK…YES IT’S TRUE..HE WAS WARNED NOT TO COME AGAIN DRUNK HE WOULD NOT BE WELCOME SO HE CAME AGAIN DRUNK..AND HE WAS GIVEN 1 MORE CHANCE…And thank God for that…he was bad enough sober..so imagine how many poor women and children and Men they would be beheaded.
gravenimage says
There is nothing like this in the texts of Islam. Citations, please.
Islam is hideous enough–no one needs to make things up.
John Magee says
Why don’t you quote the New Testament too? Jesus taught a message of love, forgiveness, and redemption. Please read His Sermon on the Mount. You may disagree with the theology behind Christianity but Christians believe Jesus loved us so much He was willing to die in order that our sins could be forgiven. Contrast that with Mohammed who was a warrior and personally beheaded over 700 Jesus in Medina who refused to convert to his new cult. Of course the Christian churches have more than their share of examples of hypocrisy, violence, and intolerance but it was in the Christian West where ancient pagan Greek concepts like democracy were allowed to be reborn and implemented. The Italian Renaissance was approved and sponsored by the Church and before Islam was invented Christian monks copied and preserved the writings of pre Christian civilizations in their monasteries which is why we can read them today. During the 17th and 18th centuries the anti slavery movement was organized in Britain and other Christian countries and let’s not forget the USA fought a terrible civil war that was based largely on the moral issue of slavery. Saudi Arabia, the home of Islam, ended slavery in 1962. That’s only 56 years ago.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
http://barenakedislam.com/2018/04/13/canada-liberals-embrace-another-muslim-victimhood-cause-ready-to-give-150-million-in-aid-to-solve-the-rohingya-muslim-crisis-in-myanmar-including-taking-in-tens-o/
Paul C says
It’s a combination of PC and detente stirred by wishful thinking into a disasterous mix of cultural poison.
Simon says
I reckon the ugly truth is that the Western world’s finances have become intrinsically linked with the Saudis. More people are waking up to this thanks to sites like this. Many are silent through fear. I am for the US Constitution, but the US and Saudis became strange bedfellows through the petrodollar deal done in the 70’s whereby any country wanting Saudi oil first needed to buy US dollars to get it.
Globalist financiers want a one world government, a single currency and preferably no cash so they can monitor all transactions through banking. China and Russia stand in their way. The US Constitution stands in their way. All power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely is very true in my opinion. A single world government would not be the utopia that young socialists are indoctrinated into supporting. It would be the Book of Revelation come true.
dumbledoresarmy says
For some time I have prayed that the America will be broken free of its dhimmi-like – or perhaps vassal-like! – relationship to assorted chunks of the Ummah, notably the abomnable house of Saud, but also Turkey, and Pakistan.
My prayer is that the current President will have enough commonsense – business common sense – to realize that in business terms, ANY ‘deal’ involving a mohammedan and a non-Mohammedan WILL end badly, sooner or later, for the non-mohammedan party.
The Ummah *does not keep ‘deals’**. Once we fully GET that, then our job is to separate ourselves from the Ummah, and put up a solidly-defensible barrier; and any mohammedan trying to cross that barrier, gets flattened.
The Iran deal is a bad deal because… Treaty of Hudaybiyyah. Mohammedans. don’t. keep. deals. made.with. infidels.
I’d love to see the reaction if Trump nullifies Obama’s – totally bad – ‘deal’ with Iran and, in so doing, publicly *mentions* the Treaty of Hudaybiyya as his *reason* for fundamentally distrusting Iran! It would send a message to a bunch of other mohammedans, that at least part of the Infidel world is finally *onto* them.
gravenimage says
Yes–we *finally* seem to be distancing ourselves from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey–as well as the “Palestinians” with Trump. I hope we make more progress with this.
JM says
David Wood has an excellent short video (4:56 long) that explains a great deal about jihad:
The Jihad Triangle
‘In this video, David Wood explains that jihad isn’t the product of a single factor, but of three factors: belief, knowledge, and obedience. These three factors come together in what we’ll call “The Jihad Triangle.” ‘
80,170 views
2.5K likes, 53 dislikes
Link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjvfaZIDLCg
JawsV says
Jay Boo: Beware of Muslims with invitations to lunch.
No Muzzies Here says
Bush’s reaction to the brutal murders of 9/11 was to tell Americans not to take their anger out on Muslims. I am outraged that a president would have such a low opinion of Americans. Bush’s words show that he doesn’t understand two things: What Americans are like, and what Muslims are like.
There was no need to send the police to protect mosques after 9/11.
Bush didn’t get it, and the majority of politicians don’t get it, or refuse to admit that they get it.
Mike R. Jones says
I have often thought to my self after I heard bush make those remarks: who in the administration got to Bush and told him to say those things? Another term Bush used from time to time was “hijacked” as in “the cowards on 9/11 hijacked the peaceful religion” in so many words. My guess it was Karl Rove.
Bush was just mouthing what some one told him to say. On the other hand, I have no doubt that Bush actually believed that Islam was and is a ”religion of peace.”
I do not think he will ever understand the true nature of the foe that the west is fighting.
Terry Gain says
JM
Thank you.
Aussie Infidel says
When I saw George W Bush on TV speaking with those Muslim officials after ‘9/11’, I knew immediately that he had already been ‘bought’. I wondered whether GWB had ever read the Quran, or whether he was simply reading verses supplied to him by his Muslim ‘advisors’. His statement that “The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam … Islam is peace … etc,” beggars belief. Had Bush never heard of the Islamic strategy of ‘holy war’ and ‘submission or execution’? Or had his Muslim friends already indoctrinated him to believe that Islam was a ‘religion of peace’? But as most JWers know, that is anything but the truth. Islam doesn’t mean ‘peace’, it means ‘submission’ to the will of Allah. Peace occurs only when Islam has subjugated a country and Sharia Law is imposed on everyone.
The worst thing about Bush’s statement is that it set the tone for comments by most other political leaders and apologists for Islam in the West. And his farcical “war on terror” is a nonsense. Terror is simply a strategy jihadis use against kafirs. Our enemy is ISLAM – everyday, orthodox Islam – as it is written in the Quran and the other scriptures. And the sooner our leaders recognize that fact the better.
It should be clear to every morally decent person, that Islam has no place in any civilized society. Islam should be declared a threat to national security. All mosques and madrassas should be closed. All Muslim non-citizens should be deported. And their imams and mullahs who are the chief perpetuators of this vicious ideology, should also be sent packing.
John Magee says
Well said but please don’t forget other Western leaders rushed to apologize for Islam after 911 too. PM Blair was one of the worst examples. They are all globalists bent on transforming the world into a place without borders where everyone will get along and obey their new leaders and certain privileged people and corporations in Europe, the UK, the USA, and Australia will get very rich. George Soros is at the top of the list. There is one problem, unlike many if not most Christian churches, Islam isn’t cooperating and will never give up its plan to dominate the world. Read the United Nations plans to implement the NWO in their own words. It’s called replacement migration: http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/migration/migration.htm
Aussie Infidel says
JM, Of course you are right. We have heard the same rhetoric here in Australia from our equally ignorant leaders. Only last year, our present dhimmi PM appeared on the ABC’s Q&A program, praising Islam for its accomplishments in science and other fields, and the usual preserving books from antiquity to pass on the knowledge of the ancients to European scholars during the Enlightenment. While there is some truth in this, the Muslims probably burned more books than any other group on Earth. And they made precious few advances in any of the sciences, with the possible exception of astronomy for navigation. They needed to find their way around the Mediterranean to raid coastal cities and capture slaves. That’s why in places like Dubrovnik, they built massive city walls to keep out the Saracens.
Islam is a criminal ideology which has no place in a civilized society. It must be exorcised from the West and allowed to wither on the vine in the ‘shit-hole’ countries from which it arose.
dumbledoresarmy says
Dear Angry Aussie- You wrote – ” Islam is a criminal ideology which has no place in a civilized society. It must be exorcised from the West and allowed to wither on the vine in the ‘shit-hole’ countries from which it arose.”
Agreed. I am another Aussie.
Islam is EVIL at a level and with an intensity that few other belief systems invented by humans have matched or can match (only ‘juche’ in North Korea, or defunct systems such as the Aztec mass-murder human-sacrifice cult, or the Thuggee cult, come even *close* and none of them had the reach or the longevity that Islam has had). It’s a death cult/ rape cult/ slavery cult/ human sacrifice cult; Churchill called it “the religion of blood and war”, way back in the 1890s, and he was *right*, in spades.
It deserves to be despised, rejected, shunned, and shut out.
gravenimage says
Very true, John–this did not just happen in the US, and was not just George Bush. But this coming from the American president was particularly harmful.
Michael Copeland says
The hushed voice trail…….
“Islam is peace”. We know that because our leaders have told us: Cameron, Brown, Blair, they all said that. And, have you noticed, they all said it in a sort of special hushed reverential tone? What is going on? Why the drop in volume?
The hushed voice trail goes back to George W. Bush.
A particularly curious aspect of the Bush “Islam is peace” broadcast is the way in which the whole world suddenly, within a nanosecond as it were, forgot that Bush is not a source of general knowledge. As if under hypnosis, everyone suspended normal critical faculties and drank in this learned guru of Islam.
from “The Duping of Cameron” at Liberty GB
https://libertygb.org.uk/news/duping-cameron
Lorensacho Byzantine says
Bush did the right thing calling Islam the religion of peace. Had he stated that Islam was a religion of war, Americans might have turned against their Muslim neighbors. Above all, a president is responsible for maintaining security for all Americans. Bush’s actions post 9/11 were to prosecute wars with a number if Islamic countries so he knew where the danger was.
PRCS says
The fly in the ointment: he could have done all that without the apologies and the misinformation. Misinformation which–to my knowledge–he’s never admitted to spreading. Misinformation so many still believe is accurate to this day. Misinformation which has allowed Muslims and their useful idiots–politicians and “journalists”–to perpetuate it. He was wrong. Islam is not peace, and the jihad continues.
Carolyne says
Killing one’s neighbors is a Muslim pastime. Americans don’t do that and I do not believe any such thing occurred to Bush when he said ” Islam is the religion of peace.”. I think he said it to pacify his Saudi friends.
gravenimage says
Oh, good grief–we’ve heard this vicious claptrap from Lorensacho Byzantine before–that if Western leaders did not lie about Islam that ordinary citizens would be out in the streets slaughtering Muslims.
But this is utter crap–Westerners are not doing this, nor threatening to do so. Instead, it is Muslims who regularly mass murder Infidels.
Chatillon says
I remember Dubya’s post 9/11 speech well; the feeling of betrayal, the complete disbelief of how he could have got things so wrong. It was then I began to study the Bush clan, to renew my forensic interest in the Islamic religion and to search for web sites like this where information better fitting the data could be found.
The Bush clan was very vigorously courted by Prince Bandar bin Sultan al-Saud, ambassador to the US. The prince was highly influential in the Bush administration’s decision making, with a resulting mess that speaks for its worth. The Bush administration and the Republican Party at large was and undoubtedly still is thoroughly infiltrated by Saudi influence. Old Soros ain’t got nothing on the influence that the Saudis can purchase.
It is natural for us to look to a pivotal event that changed things forever. Maybe 9/11 was that event. However, where the attack of 9/11 should have sparked a response against the perpetrators of the attacks (al Qaeda, al-Qaeda’s Qatari and Saudi backers), we were treated to a failed attempt to capture Osama bin Lden in the Tora Bora mountains late in 2001, a subsequent validation of an Islamic government in Afghanistan with the attendant, wasteful nation-building exercise, the invasion of Iraq and many other wastes of American lives and treasure. In truth, the post-9/11 actions couldn’t have been further from an effective response than if one had planned it that way. And I believe it was planned that way, but not by Americans. It was planned that way by our “friends,” the Saudis with their willing puppets in the US government.
The pivotal event in this phase of the war, this variously slow/fast but continuing war of Islam against non-Islam, is better put as the time that the Muslim Brotherhood’s Explanatory Memorandum was drafted. If Donald Trump really wants to make America Great Again, and there are so many who don’t want to see him try let alone succeed in this, he would rekindle the investigation into the Holy Land matter with the second round of indictments that the Bush administration avoided and that the Obama regime buried. Justice needs to be done and needs to be seen to be done. Bush didn’t do it and Obama doesn’t even understand the concept.
But ultimately, it’s not up to our leaders, Children. It’s up to us.
dumbledoresarmy says
“…Old Soros ain’t got nothing on the influence that the Saudis can purchase…”.
PRECISELY.
Chatillon says
I tried posting this earlier.
Bush’s non-response to 9/11 was very likely due to the influence of Prince Bandar bin Sultan al-Saud. The damage due to bin Sultan’s influence started long before 9/11 and has repercussions to this day, from the incompetence of the Bush foreign policy to the overt treachery of Obama’s.
Draining the swamp is a mighty task.Ultimately it is not the duty of a savior leader but of an informed and determined public.
dumbledoresarmy says
Yes.
But an informed public can get behind any leader who shows a bit of gumption and potential, and PUSH.
Troybeam says
After 9/11 all that then President George Bush had to do was change the status of Islam from a religion to that of a theocracy, that would have solved a huge issue right then, he also could have removed all Muslims on student visas and denied all access to the United States from Muslim countries, but No, George Bush had to bring in thousands of Muslims followed by Obama bringing in more, the Trojan Horse already aided by our government.
gravenimage says
Islam is a religion–a *bad* religion. A theocracy is a system of government in the name of religion. Islamic Shari’ah states are examples of that, and the only real theocracies in the world today.
Davegreybeard says
One positive result of GW’s “Islam is a religion of Peace” statement is that it directly resulted in my investigation of Islam.
I was completely ignorant of Islam at the time, didn’t know the difference between a Muslim or Sikh, Hindu or Buddhist and didn’t much care. But I knew that the 9/11 hijackers claimed they were doing it for Allah and to watch GW proclaim that Islam was a religion of peace was just too much – I smelled a big rat.
I started with Ibn Warraq’s “Why I’m Not a Muslim,” bought several Quran’s went on to Spencer and Jihad Watch and am still studying.
Thanks to GW, It is now my foremost mission in life to spread the word of Allah and Muhammad amongst my fellow Infidels.
Deus Vult!
dumbledoresarmy says
I wonder just how many infidels, all over the western world, have followed *exactly the same* path as you describe?
Probably quite a few.
Ah, the Law of Unintended Consequences.
gravenimage says
+1
Politicianophobia says
Ibrahim, the thighing Master, you are an atrocity.
Politicianophobia says
Were the Muslims in Iran standing in the square shouting death to the American snake –did George Bush miss that
Politicianophobia says
Andy, If I were the Prime Minister of Canada, I would designate the Muslim Brotherhood aka CAIR, the terrorists group they are and deport many. Imam Abdul-Adhim, head of Canadian Hibz ut-Tharir would be back in Iraq where he belongs. Thanks for being a great patriot, Canada need more men like you. Best regards to you.
RevBob says
It was easy for him to say because he knew we were not attacked by Muslims, because it was an inside job perpetrated by our won govt, and he knew all about it.
gravenimage says
Oh, good God–another “9/11 Truther”, claiming that We attacked ourselves on 9/11 to make the poor Muslims look bad.
Was America responsible for all 32,000+ Jihad terror attacks since then? “RevBob” would probably say so…
Cheer Bear Girl says
Many people were mislead by that statement. Either George Bush was ignorant or lying.
Billy Chickens says
Ibrahim,
My bunny rabbit is currently studying Great Poetry in Religions at Oxford and was taught by Tariq Ramadan, that incredibly deep deep thinking rapist. (My bunny is a boy so there was no problem with Tariq trying to rape him.) Here’s poetry in deep Tariq-style that my bunny recently created:
“Here I am at Oxford in the land of Islam. Islam is non-violent. Harmonious. It is peace. That means to be stabbed and once all infidels are stabbed dead, there will be peace on earth. No more fighting. Just sublime peace.
“Oh, God! I long for peace. But there can be no peace because of lies. Ibrahim lies or else he can’t count. Islam lies to him and he believes every word from the devil’s mouth.
“The devil’s mouth is the quran. The devil’s mouth piece was Muhammad. And those doing the devil’s work on earth are the People of the Black Rock. Mithraist Islamic rock adorers.”
Yours truly,
Fleur the Bunny Rabbit (Fleur is a boy even though he has a girl’s name. The people at the pet shop know nothing.)
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Carolyne says
What is the tuition at Oxford for a bunny? I might want to send my bunny, Harold, there. Harold is a girl bunny. Maybe she can get together with your Fleur.
Billy Chickens says
Harold and Fleur – Harold being a girl and Fleur being a boy – sound like 2 transgender bunnies.
Fleur loves Oxford and thinks Harold should join him there. The tuition for poetry majors (if that’s Harold’s field of interest) is steep. It requires eradicating all memory from a student’s pre-programmed brain in order to refill it with the depth, poignant, sad sad, mournful, tragic and intense teaching of Islamic rapist Tariq Ramadan.
Once willing to replace their brain with treacly fleeting cloudy thoughts, tuition is free, especially for foreign born bunnies. The object is to radicalize all rabbits, easily done through Oxford’s poetry classes with Islamic racist rapist professors.
Raja says
Good comment Billy, you saved my time. Ibrahim, the evil like all his co Islamists can only think of the house of Islam and those outside of Islam, ie, Muslims and Christians. He has called the Nazis, Christians what a joke! He knows nothing about Christianity.
gravenimage says
Billy–Muslims rape boys all the time! Protect your bunny and bring him home. 🙂
SB says
Though he is Republican, I never liked him. He was ineffective, impotent, and weak. We don’t need no more Bushes.
SB says
I stand corrected.G. Bush is a pseudo-Republican.
Mockingjay says
You speak of a great truth, Jay Boo.
– Even if one doesn’t believe fossile fuels cause “climate change”, it certainly could be argued that OIL is an INSTRUMENT conceived by the DEVIL himself to destroy our planet through ISLAM.
gravenimage says
Luckily, placdes like Saudi Arabia appear to be running out of oil.
TKF says
Islam is a religion of peace. Who you gonna believe, me….or your lying eyes?
txfella says
Okay, Georgia, explain just where fgm fits in with these g l o r i o u s tenents?
JawsV says
You mean tenets. The glorious tenets of Islam! (Not). Islam should have been abolished long ago.
dumbledoresarmy says
What John Quincy Adams said about Islam should be copied by every American jihadwatcher, and sent, in full, suitably highlighted, to their congresspersons and senators. With a brief, polite covering letter.
Another useful item is Conor Cruise O’Brien’s “The Lesson of Algeria: Islam is Indivisible” (1995).
Send that, as well: and use yellow highlighter to mark the three or four paragraphs that sum up the whole thing in a nutshell.
For that matter – copy out those telling paragraphs and *learn them by heart”. Stick them up on the refrigerator.
Post them on social media, with their full reference.
Print them off and scatter them around like Johnny Appleseed.
If you have access to a university campus… leave – fully-referenced (author, text title, date) copies of JQA’s lucid paragraphs on Islam, and Conor Cruise O’Brien’s article, in the library, in the cafes, in any place where someone might pick them up, out of curiosity, and read them.
Raja says
I read lots of comments on this post and I should say I was enlightened. My view of Islam was too sketchy when Sep 11 happened although I hated Islam for a proselyte who lied everything about Christianity way back in 1992 the manuscript of which I have still preserved.
GWB had done treachery by saying Islam is peace. I don’t know how many Americans took him seriously.When a Muslim speaks about bible it should be ludicrous, to say the least. All said and done, he has laid the foundation for politicians to be lying forever to be lying about Islam.
Not many would have taken GWB seriously, but for the sundry kinds of Jihadis (who would make upward of 80% of Muslim population), it would have been music to their ears.This is a kind of self-goal by a leader, who showed other foolish leftists to emulate easily.
Now the moot question is who will change the course of history viz a viz the Islamic terror.? Winston Churchill was one such capable leader. Only God can produce such leaders. The present leadership of US is doing the best since Sep 11, hopefully, the conservatives will be on the offensive from now on.Who cares if the left and other fools come on board or not?
This article by Robert Spencer should take us to the next level of counter-terror. Hope no one missed the idea.