“Their words were taken literally instead of figuratively,” Lutz said. “In my interaction with the entire family, I came to the conclusion that this is a manner of speech that they never really intend to carry any of this out, but they do it so to say, ‘You should mind me, because this is what I think’.”
How does he know that the Ayoubs didn’t mean what they said to their daughter? There are 200 to 300 honor murders in Syria every year. But because the very idea of honor killing is virtually inconceivable to non-Muslims in Western countries, they make benign assumptions such as this. And so the Ayoubs will not be deported.
“‘A very critical clash of cultures’: Plea deal over honour killing threats saves Syrian couple from deportation,” by Joseph Brean, National Post, May 16, 2018 (thanks to Graham):
A Syrian refugee couple who threatened their adult daughter with an honour killing for dating a Canadian man have made a plea deal with New Brunswick prosecutors that will save them from possible deportation back to their war-ravaged homeland.
Ahmad Ayoub, 52, and his wife Faten, 48, were freed this week after 72 days in jail, after pleading guilty to uttering threats as a summary conviction offence, and being sentenced to time served.
If they had been convicted of the more serious indictable offence of uttering threats, for which a trial was scheduled in the summer, they would have faced a sentence in the range of six months to a year, up to a maximum of two years.
More importantly, they would have faced the possibility of also being sent back to Syria, from which they escaped through Jordan, eventually settling in Fredericton in 2016, sponsored by the federal government.
“That’s the main thing that we gained,” said David Lutz, Ahmad’s lawyer. “Nobody who is a refugee wants to be convicted of any indictable offence, because it’s going to bring them under the purview of deportation.”
Lutz called the case a “very critical clash of cultures” that has sent a clear message to the Syrian community in Canada that even empty threats are taken seriously by the police and courts.
“Their words were taken literally instead of figuratively,” Lutz said. “In my interaction with the entire family, I came to the conclusion that this is a manner of speech that they never really intend to carry any of this out, but they do it so to say, ‘You should mind me, because this is what I think’.”…
The threats were made against their daughter Bayan, 25. They were spoken in Arabic, once face to face, otherwise on the phone, and they only came to light when Bayan told her Canadian boyfriend, who encouraged her to go to police. She soon recanted, however, and was described in court by prosecutor Claude Haché as a reluctant participant in the prosecution.
“Throughout the time from which her parents were arrested and detained, (Bayan) was recanting and saying ‘All this is my fault.’ But of course, just like in domestic assaults, the police — and rightly so — don’t take the recanting seriously,” Lutz said.
Or, if they take it seriously, they see it as a symptom of the same problem, he added.
Bayan went to police in February. This prompted the threat by her mother, who urged her to tell police she lied, otherwise she would be killed. This threat was made on a phone call that Bayan recorded.
According to reporting by Don MacPherson of The Fredericton Daily Gleaner, who was in court for the sentencing, the first threat was made in April 2016, soon after the family arrived in Canada. Ahmad was angry that his daughter won an iPad in a contest, and threatened to poison her food. He also said he wanted to limit her contact with local men.
The second threat came last summer, when Bayan’s parents learned she was communicating with a Canadian man on social media, and her father said that “for his own dignity, it would be better to slaughter her,” the prosecutor said.
A third threat from Ahmad was prompted by her use of a smartphone, and his concern she was communicating with people she met at a work placement at a food bank….
He said the Ayoubs’ threats were “careless, bordering on reckless, and they have learned from this experience that his kind of language may be acceptable in Syria and Afghanistan, but now they know, better than most, that it’s not acceptable in Canada. And the entire Syrian community in New Brunswick knows it too.”…
CogitoErgoSum says
Yeah, that’s pretty bad … winning an iPad in a contest, I mean. And communicating with a Canadian man, I mean, the humiliation must be unbearable.
mortimer says
Jihadi Justin never met a TERRORIST he didn’t like.
Salomon gidey says
BLa bla…why don’t you talk loudly when the white gay man mowed down innocent people in Toronto ?the reason because he is gay and white.gays and lesbians are worse than extreme muslims.
Linda says
I read in one article that Minassian was from the Middle East and he had visited there before training in the Canadian army.
gravenimage says
I see that Salomon gidey is once again demanding that we ignore violent Muslims.
I have never once heard that Alek Minassian was gay–in fact, he identified as an “incel” who could not get a date with a woman.
Moreover, there have been over 31,000 Jihad terror attacks just since 9/11–there has, needless to say, been nothing like this from gays or lesbians.
I think what Salomon gidey means is that he hates peaceful gay people more than he does Jihad terrorists.
Given his constant apologia for Islam here, this should *hardly* surprise.
J D S says
More stupidness in Islam and more stupidness in Junior’s government.
Our southern border……Our northern border…..
DANGER ON BOTH SIDES
b.a. freeman says
now they know … that it’s not acceptable in Canada [to speak deadly threats]. And the entire Syrian community in New Brunswick knows it too.
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i call bulls**t. the friends of this couple will tell them that sharia is alive and well in canistan, and that all they need to do is disappear to someplace else, and they’ll be good. FGM and honor killings are also alive and well in canada – and in the u.s.
mummymovie says
Well, now the parents will be REALLY pissed off, after what she has put them through, and the community will silently support the parents, so stay tuned for what happens next. Obviously, the girl -knowing her parents quite well, I imagine, thought the magnitude of the threats warranted them being taken seriously. I guess just not, however, by the justice system in the Canada of Justin TrueDoh-Doh, who will stop at nothing to make the U.S./Trump look bad, including importing millions of third world muslim culture-enrichers like this, and supporting them over their victims in cowardly PC gestures of virtue-signaling cultural relativism.
Jan O'Leary says
Powerful point.
6woods says
Yes, of course. These threats should always be taken “figuratively”. They are meant lovingly. There is absolutely no precedent in Canada for ‘honour’ killings. The cases of Aqsa Parvez and the four Shafia women were filthy lies made up by islamophobes. Sarc/off
Isabella says
My advice to the girl: take off. Do not stay with your parents. They are a danger to her.All my sympathy to the daughter. She wants to integrate the Canadian society, but her parents won’t let her. I hope Justin Trudeau reads the story.
somehistory says
Flee and change her name. Take off the headwrapping and avoid the gathering at the barracks.
Mari For says
Justin Trudeau ? Hell no. He is so intent in defending those crappers he will say she’s exagerating. This is really disgusting. Thank heavens for this site on which we can state our honest opinions of what is going on with these Muslims. Look how they took their small children with them in Gaza to protest and were ready to sacrifice them if they were killed just to say the Israelis were murderers. They have no respect for their children’s lives period and will kill their daughters to save their so called honour. That is such BS.
Carol the 1st says
:Ahmed said that for his own dignity “It would be better to SLAUGHTER her.” Sounds like a pretty substantial indicator as to HOW he thinks and not just “WHAT”.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
No later than Monday, October 21, 2019
43rd Canadian federal election
Mark it in your calendar.
The day Prime Minister Mr Dress-up loses his job.
P.O.'D in Canuckistan says
I certainly hope so.
LR says
As long as no one even more wussy gets elected…
gravenimage says
Agree, Isabella–Muslims often try “Honor Killings” again.
HugoHackenbush says
“More importantly, they would have faced the possibility of also being sent back to Syria, from which they escaped through Jordan”
Let’s see…you’re supposed to apply for refugee status in the FIRST country you enter in which the conditions you are “escaping” from do not exist. If I am unaware of something about Jordanian conditions then I am open to enlightenment.
WPM says
Jordan does not have the heath benefits, free housing ,and all the other goodies Canadian gives these freeloading locust. Look at ” Refugees” entering Europe they march threw all of southern Europe to the North for the better welfare package.
Linda says
If the Northern Europeans stopped the welfare gravy train, immigration would come to a fast halt because the migrants would have to work for a living and they wouldn’t like that.
Mirren10 says
Hear, hear ! I don’t know how many times I’ve said that, written that … sigh.
None so deaf as those who will not hear.
Linda says
Right now, as it is, the migrants are treated better than the indigenous people of the countries they flock to. They’re handed EVERYTHING. The indigenous people are the ones working to pay for it. They get away with just about everything they do by excusing it as their “culture” or their “religion”. It’s a pretty sweet deal for the migrants.
gravenimage says
Yes–cut off the dole.
D malone says
After they kill her they will only be sorry that THEY will be punished
somehistory says
“If I get a failing grade, my parents will kill me” can be just a figure of speech.
When a moslim threatens to “kill” or “slaughter” their child, it is never just a figure of speech. They mean it as a threat and a “promise,” and if the behavior of which they disapprove continues, the threats become fact.
The lawyer thinks this couple will not say such things anymore, and that the whole community will learn from it. Maybe so. But that won’t keep them from the killing aspect. It isn’t “honor” killing. It is totally dishonorable and evil. And a knowledge that the law won’t allow those threats will only make them just go forward with the action and try to hide the murders.
6woods says
‘David Lutz’ sounds like a Jewish name. Why is a Jew defending a murderous muzzie?
Stop Kafirophobia says
There’s more than a few jewicidal peeps up here in Kanadastan.
Buraq says
@ 6woods
I’m sure ‘Lutz’ is a typo. It’s Klutz!
mummymovie says
Have you ever heard any lawyer jokes?
6woods says
I’ve heard and told many lawyer jokes. My brother’s a lawyer 🙂
gravenimage says
You find clueless Jews as well as Gentiles.
Linda says
If Bayan doesn’t show up to her work placement at the food bank one day, and they call to see where she is, if the family tells them she won’t be returning to the food bank because she went back to Syria, I think someone had better notify the police to look for a body.
dumbledoresarmy says
Yep.
shortfattexan says
If that happens, I think it is more likely that the politically correct, thoroughly emasculated police will just accept the family’s story that she “went back to Syria”, and do nothing. Because tolerance.
Linda says
A similar situation happened in another province. Remains of a little girl were found chopped up in a plastic bag near a lake. Police tried to identify the remains. Then it came out that months earlier, a school had been told that a little girl had gone back to whichever Middle Eastern country she’d come from and that’s why she wouldn’t be at school anymore. It was the same little girl. The parents had killed and dismembered her at home and left her remains near the lake.
gravenimage says
Hideous.
WPM says
I am sure the police will believe the parents story ,nothing to see here boys I can see the Lieutenant in change of the case say. I do not want to make waves the police Captain says ” I could find myself lifted for being political incorrect not a good career move” .A lot of woods to search in Canada I could see the beat offices say as they head to the local coffee shop to call it a day why bother .Yes it is easier to chase down some 90 year grandmother complaining about her little town from being turn into Islamic sh*thole on the internet for a “hate crime”. Accept the unacceptable from Moslems that the message of Western progressives ,let them keep their violent criminal behavior acceptable because it is their “culture”. What is murder among family members if it a long tradition practice over 1400 years!
Linda says
I’d be more comfortable having the police report the facts than having Trudeau tell us what he thinks. You know Trudeau is always going to be on the side of the Muslims like he was in the hijab hoax earlier this year. At least the police came out once they’d completed their investigation and they said it just didn’t happen. Even when he knew it was a made up story, Trudeau still went on about how it was “part of a pattern” of Islamophobia. (How could it be part of a pattern of Islamophobia when it didn’t even happen?)
Bev says
Old Mo was an illiterate paranoid schizophrenic psychopath who got his jollies by murdering, raping, and taking slaves. The voices he was hearing were only in his head. And to this day Islam is still listening to the voices.
Older Canadian says
That poor young girl, and others like her. She now knows her well-being, her safety appears secondary, and taken lightly even in canada.
Carolyne says
She is 25 years old, long past the age of adulthood. She needs to leave her parents’ home, get some help in getting an education, and be self supporting away from her so-called family. If she stays, there is no excuse for her….and likely no hope.
gravenimage says
So true.
dumbledoresarmy says
All Islamoinformed Canadians should not take this lying down. *Demand* that the murder-minded mohammedan mobsters be kicked out, for the future safety of ALL non-Islamic Canadians.
Write to the RCMP. State that if this pair of murder-plotters are *not* deported then you do not give spit for the life of their daughter.. she *will* wind up dead, and then there will be all the trouble and expense of a murder investigation and trial.
Write to your MP. And write to the Leader of the Opposition!!! Get him to kick up a stink in Parliament! This should not be allowed to stand.
(Refer them to the work of Phyllis Chesler, on ‘honor’ murders; there are some excellent articles by her, available online, that can be found by googling, then copied, and printed off. The threats made to this young woman need to be taken absolutely seriously.) Refer them also to Wafa Sultan – an ex-Muslim who was raised in Syria – and to Ayaan Hirsl Ali, if they require further expert advice on the subject of ‘honor’ murders of deemed-insuffciently-submissive daughters, by Mohammedan mobsters.
People who threaten to MURDER a girl because she has a Canadian boyfriend – I would guess, a non-Muslim boyfriend! – are not needed in Canada. They are NO gain to the society, only a loss. They are a dead loss. They should be damn well kicked out. And if Syria is dangerous, so what; it is *people like this*, with *this kind of murderous thinkibng*, who have MADE Syria the shit-hole that it is! Bed.made. lie.
Rather than letting them spread their aggression and murderousness to Canada *as well*… chuck them back into Syria which is *already* laid waste. Contain the spiritual disease – “the worst of all plagues” – that is Islam, rather than allowing it to spread *further*.
If they were carrying ebola they would not have been allowed into Canada.
They are carrying Islam.. which is *worse*.
infidel says
I SHUDDER TO THINK as to how CANADA in sheer naivety has imported these Jehadi vermin into their peaceful shores!! VOW!! It is quite clear that these vermin hate canadians and Canada.. So why are they here in the first place??
ben t says
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ben t says
The U.S., with the election of Trump, barely,just barely, escaped the idiocy of the Canadian mindset.
Linda says
Thank God they did escape it. The U.S. can give everyone else hope now.
infidel says
There should NOT HAVE BEEN A SINGLE MUSLIM in Canada in the first place…
Linda says
You can thank Pierre Trudeau for inviting them in in the 1970s.
David Grisez says
The threats to perform honor killing need to be taken seriously when Muslims are involved, because many women have been honor murdered by members of their Muslim Families. Many non Muslims are not familiar with the practice of Honor Killing in Islam. People need to read about the pattern of Honor Killings in Islam to understand that these threats can be deadly serious.
Relic says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uweEDKsAhxg
Johm says
Deport them now ! No honor killings allows !
Johm says
No honor killings allowed !
Mark Bryant says
Why on earth would any sane person want to date a Muslima and then become involved with this family? Isn’t that a potentially life threatening thing to do?
Neil Ross says
If they want to avoid all social contact with Canadians and westerners, there is an easy solution. Book them a flight.
gravenimage says
They just want to conquer Canadians.
Matthieu Baudin says
‘…“That’s the main thing that we gained,” said David Lutz, Ahmad’s lawyer. “Nobody who is a refugee wants to be convicted of any indictable offence, because it’s going to bring them under the purview of deportation.”…’
Clever lawyer. Unfortunately he’s not an advocate for the safety of society at large nor for the daughter who wishes to break some links in the chain shackling her to traditional Islam.
Ren says
The muslim parents will be deported only when they succeed in killing their daughter.
WPM says
I think they will be not be deported ,the patents will come up with a cock and bull story about their daughter going back to the Middle East. The police will believe the story because it is easier then and more PC then finding out the truth. What is murder among family members if a 1400 year old tradition!
WPM says
if it is a 1400 year old tradation
Mirren10 says
Or else the poor girl will be murdered by her parents, who will then set it up to look as if she was murdered for being a muslim. *Then* the RCMP will jump to it, by God !
Linda says
They could say that she committed suicide, too.
gravenimage says
Muslims have certainly done this before.
shortfattexan says
Everything you need to know about Isam and honor-killing can be found in the story of Zein, Maria, and Tina Isa.
https://www.nytimes.com/1991/10/28/us/terror-and-death-at-home-are-caught-in-fbi-tape.html
Traci Hodge says
What isn’t being considered by Trudeau and many Left wing politicians in the West is ‘Culture shock’. On top of the deep divide in religious beliefs you have a family that has only been in the West since 2016 and almost immediately begins making threats landing in jail. There should at minimum be more vetting for people that are able to handle the culture shock. Exclude those that are too backward and send them to other Muslim nations where they will be withpeople and customsthey know. Stop sweepi g it under the rug
gravenimage says
Muslims aren’t threatening to murder their children because of “culture shock”. They’re threatening to kill them because of Islam.
Logic&Reason says
Ain’t it funny how “figurative” intent leads to “literal” death….
We need leaders who refuse to drink the Taqiyya Tequila….
Bas Barraclough says
“.. threats were “careless, bordering on reckless, and they have learned from this experience that his kind of language may be acceptable in Syria and Afghanistan, but now they know, better than most, that it’s not acceptable in Canada. And the entire Syrian community in New Brunswick knows it too..”
So NEXT TIME, they won’t threaten – the local Imam will organize for her to VANISH! (And turn up ‘killed by Bears’ – or wolves or whatever!
Jacqueline says
This situation speaks to the problem of admitting Syrian refugees in the first place. True they are victims of war, but it is a religious civil war between Sunni Muslims and Shiite Muslims. I am betting all the immigrants still adhere to the Muslim doctrine of dhimmi status for non-believers and think themselves superior to all the natives of their host country. These parents will lay low until they can find other sympathetic Muslims who will help them cover for their crimes and then they will kill their daughter – just like they were taught to do in Syria.
aguysomewhere says
And next we read the daughter was found chopped up and buried in a shallow grave, then what, maybe a oops from their lawyer who supports this fuckery?
They come from a culture that actually murders their daughters, they made multiple threats, at least 1 was recorded, they should be in prison. That and only that would have sent the proper message to these barbarians and their countrymen.
And how rude is that as muslim immigrants to forbid your daughters relationships with the local men of the nation you migrated too. Well then GET THE FUCK OUT!
We westerners are too nice, soft and stupid. The muslims are well known to be rude and arrogant. We no longer know how to put people like that in their place.
Carolyne says
Draw and quarter sounds better.
Giacomo Latta says
Canada’s Immigration Ministry used to question the newly-arrived about their belief systems. When the current minister (a Muslim) found about it, this questioning ceased. OK, so how about we inform these people of our culture and especially our laws. If the gatekeepers detect a rejection from the would-be immigrants then they should apply a rejection of their own. Why do we accept people who hates this country even before they get here?
Linda says
That’s Trudeau, Butts and Soros’ open borders for you.
UNCLE VLADDI says
So now people raised in crime-cultures’ criminal death-threats are to be taken less seriously than those uttered by people who weren’t raised in crime-cultures?!
Sure! Makes perfect sense – in an asylum!
terry says
Islam.
Submit as a Child, …….. then Live in feart of stepping out of line for the rest of your life.
Richard Courtemanche says
Integration Limited. If they were to be deported and unless their daughter could remain here, she might be subject to honor killing back home!
gravenimage says
Canada: Muslim migrant couple threatens their daughter with honor killing, won’t be deported
……………….
Insanity. Deport their evil *sses.
gravenimage says
How about literally? That’s what I do.