A troubling cell phone video clip is making the rounds on Twitter and other social media. Recorded at a California coffee shop last Friday afternoon, it was posted Saturday mid-morning, and shows an encounter between an unpleasant American man and a burqa-clad American woman. They are both standing in line waiting to order, and the clip starts after he has apparently made a snide remark about her attire, asking rhetorically if it is Halloween. She asks why he would say that, inquires if he knows she is a Muslim, and things heat up from there. There is no question that the behavior of the man in question is deplorable, and in the end he is denied service by the coffee shop manager on duty for two stated reasons:
- disrupting a public place
- being very racist.
If you wish to watch the video, here it is [brace yourself for some foul language]:
“I’m a Muslim [woman].”
“I know your religion and I don’t want to be killed by you.”
This took place at a cafe in California yesterday. pic.twitter.com/4WAWKcQDh8
— CJ Werleman (@cjwerleman) May 12, 2018
When I first watched this video, I felt disgust and dismay that a person could display such open disdain for another human being simply on the basis of negative assumptions concerning the religion of Islam. The whole encounter was marked by incivility displayed not only by the man and the Muslim woman toward each other, but also by a seated customer who roars out a profanity-laced tirade against the man in question about halfway through the clip. The interaction portrays a clearcut case of Islamophobia, marked by bigotry and loathing, and should be roundly condemned by all.
However, the manager’s decision was not very balanced. If the “bigot” was rightly tossed for disrupting a public place, then the same judgment should have applied to the male customer whose loud tirade certainly disturbed the peaceful atmosphere of the cafe. Likewise, an impartial judge would have ordered the Muslim woman to leave. Why? If you watch the conversation carefully, you will note how the woman raises her voice, escalating the argument. She becomes the aggressor, and continues to argue after the “bigot” holds up his hand twice and tells her to “back off.” She asks him if he’s a Christian and proceeds to launch a standard Muslim polemic against Jesus in the New Testament, claiming he endorsed the killing of his enemies. When the man tells her one last time he doesn’t want to talk with her because he doesn’t have conversations “with idiots,” she plays the victim card, declaring loudly, “You are committing hate speech; you are committing hate speech against me!”, at which point the aforementioned, unfilmed customer begins yelling, as if on cue, “Get out of here! Get out of here! F***ing racist!” The “bigot” and the loudmouth continue to exchange colorful epithets until the video cuts to the final scene where the “bigot” is standing before the manager as she explains why she will not serve him. In my opinion, if one of them was rightly denied service for “disrupting a public place,” the other two should have been as well. One might object that the Muslim woman was not the instigator but the victim, and yet she was the one who loudly pressed the matter after the “bigot” was seemingly ready to move on.
The second reason given by the manager was that the “bigot” was “being very racist.” This is a common charge against those labeled “anti-Muslim”, and it is one of the most pejorative labels in our culture, inviting universal condemnation of the accused. However, since Islam is not a race but a religion, one practiced by members of perhaps every racial group on the earth, the criticism of Islam and those who practice it faithfully has nothing to do with race. In the case of this video, the man and woman involved in dispute are both Caucasian, so obviously this is not about race. She is Muslim; he is not. That is the source of their dispute. You might argue that his behavior was boorish and hateful, and that hers was aggressive and opportunistic, and that they could be shown the door for those behaviors, but not for the stated reason of racism.
In any case, the incivility revealed in this encounter trumpets a warning about how we as a society have lost the capacity to treat each other with respect and to engage in conversations profitably rather than as a means to demean the other or disparage his/her beliefs.
Unless it was staged.
I don’t say that lightly. But something troubled me about the overall feel of the video, and I am left with nagging questions.
First, who was filming this, and how did they deploy their smart phone quickly enough to capture the encounter almost from the start?
Second, how did “journalist C. J. Werleman” get ahold of this clip so quickly as to be able to post it on his Twitter account by 10:15 the next morning? If I read the watch correctly of the man in the video (you can see it in the first two seconds of the clip), this took place at 3 pm, California time. Werleman, on a self-confessed crusade to “…expose the Islamophobia industry and end anti-Muslim discrimination…,” boasted that he was “happy to have helped break this story.” I wonder how carefully he vetted the source from whom he received the clip, since it obviously fits so well the narrative he continues to push.
Third, why does the Muslim lady escalate the disagreement, raising her voice and challenging his beliefs, bringing up the Bible even after he seeks to wave her off, only at that point loudly accusing him of “hate speech” against her?
Fourth, why does an off-screen customer suddenly start bellowing a verbal attack against the “bigot” precisely at this point? Do these things typically happen in cafes? Perhaps it’s just my nature, but I would never consider yelling out in a coffee shop. I would either quietly mind my own business, or would get up and engage the parties, attempting to de-escalate the argument and restore some kind of peace.
Fifth, what happened during the period that has been cut from the clip? Maybe nothing, maybe more hurled epithets that the editor decided didn’t need to be heard by the public. But suddenly we are introduced to the conversation between the manager and the “bigot,” who then leaves quickly. Given the huge disruption of this event, one might expect that there would be cheers or clapping from the patrons, but surprisingly it’s back to business as usual.
Lastly, the Muslim woman’s question to the manager at the end seems highly contrived to me, as if she wanted to make sure to have on video record the manager’s assessment. “Why are you not serving him?” she asks, as the phone is pointed at the employee. Who would have the presence of mind to ask this “summary question,” if you’ve just been in an emotional dispute?
As you can tell, I’m skeptical. There have been far too many “fake Islamophobia” claims made by Muslims and later debunked by authorities for me to simply take things on face value. Why would Muslims fake hateful encounters, when there certainly are some real attacks against Muslims in America? The answer to this is that by playing up victimhood status, Muslim groups hope to garner sympathy from the wider non-Muslim public and so win a kind of cultural “protected status” where Islam is increasingly sheltered from the appropriate study and critique to which every other worldview is subjected.
And from the popularity of this video clip, it seems to be working. So far, in just two days’ time, the original tweet has been viewed some 1.12 million times.
Once again, for those ready to tar and feather me for expressing my skepticism, let me reiterate my view that if this encounter really happened without being staged, it is indeed reprehensible on many levels, not least of which is the disdain and debasement directed toward an innocent Muslim woman, simply because she is Muslim. Such behavior must not be tolerated among Americans, who claim to believe in the “self-evident truths” that all human beings are created in the image of God and entitled to seek life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Even less is it to be tolerated among those who confess themselves to be Christians, and who claim to follow a Master who commands His followers to love their neighbors as themselves, even to the point of sacrificing themselves for the benefit of those rise up as enemies.
In a societal context where basic civility is visibly eroding like sandcastles before relentless incoming waves, Christians especially need to stand against hatred and its offspring, whether we find it in our hearts or in the public sphere of which we find ourselves a part.
Mateen Elass is the son of a Syrian Muslim who spent much of his youth in Saudi Arabia and eventually converted to Christianity. This article originally appeared on The Personal Blog of Mateen Elass.
Indiana Tom says
Ummmm…..California? No deplorables in California, they are all in the MidWest. Ask Hitlery.
And of course such things are never staged, I mean just look at the Starbucks incident.
mortimer says
If you don’t want to be killed you are ‘RACIST’.
Carol the 1st says
You forgot 7 Fondness for Garbage Bags
somehistory says
Non-Christians are always…always…”reminding” us that we are to “Love” them, no matter what they do or wish to do.
It is a misunderstanding of Jesus’ command to “love your enemies and pray for those persecuting you.” He said that so we would not treat them as we are treated….with death and vile hatred, enough to slit their throat just because they look at us with a frown.
He said that our “Father makes it rain upon the good and evil and makes the sun shine on the good and evil.” In like manner Christians don’t mistreat other people. But, we don’t have to hold back the truth. He spoke to his enemies, calling them “snakes,” “offspring of vipers,’ and told them that satan the devil was their “father.”
Many would say that was not “love.” Esp if we said that to a moslim. What would Jesus have said to them had there been moslims in Israel at the time?
gravenimage says
Jay Boo, Mortimer was referring to the attitude of dhimmis that criticism of the violence of Islam is “racist”.
gravenimage says
No–liberals in California are not dressing in Niqabs. She is probably a convert to Islam.
esther says
seemed staged to me. —-sorry folks—-staged by the female. She
seemed to be READY to respond to ANY negative reaction to her
Niqabi look. Most women (and some men) know that a disparaging
remark OF ANY kind—–can be deflected by ignoring it. That niqabi chick
was READY with “did you read the Koran” —<<< it is a standard. —the next
shot is always "QUOTE THE SURA" —yeah right—–I read the silly book but
did not COMMIT it to memory. I could quote the Gettysburg address but not
the PICTHALL version of the Koran. I still have an impression, however—-the
book advocates violence and adulates a rapist murderer. I cannot quote from
"GRAPES OF WRATH" either. The niqabi chick was also ARMED with a
muslim collection of putative quotes from the bible—–somehow she seemed to
imagine that Jesus said "kill anyone who does not believe in Me"??? I don't
remember that one——-I read the NT and would have remembered something
like that——-the niqabi is an EDUCATED MUSLIMAH
Linda says
If it wasn’t staged, then the man was set up. I always think there is a lot more happening in these videos before the camera is turned on, than the person recording the video wants us to know about. I don’t remember any place in the NT where Jesus says to “kill anyone who does not believe in Me” either. It’s all very fishy. There’s more to this story than meets the eye.
Julea Bacall says
Actually it was the tone, or lack of tone in the man who had me first thinking ‘Fake’. The guy screaming Get out you F-ing Racist really said fake to me. Was that supposed to be the manager? Get real. It was a stage show.
Marilyn Griffin says
Remember, there has been quite a few instances where Muslims have “used” similar staged situations to sue for big money, suits they always win with today’s fear of being labeled racist and with our liberal courts. And their organizations like CAIR are always right there to go to court for them and, basically, use our legal system against us. I deplore the quick willingness of so many Americans to treat the Muslims as some very special group of people that must be catered to, pleased, and appeased, no matter what they do, say, or demand. I really cannot understand this.
Mateen Elass says
The biblical passage to which the Muslima refered is in Luke 19:11-27, where Jesus tells a parable of a nobleman who goes to a far country to receive his crown. A delegation of his citizens also goes, reporting that they do not want the nobleman to reign over them. He nonetheless is crowned. At the end of the parable, in v.27, the nobleman says, “But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them before me.”
The Muslima, along with many Muslim apologists, misreads this as the words of Jesus intended for his earthly ministry. Since this is something Muhammad could easily have said, they assume that Jesus would act the same way.
Kepha says
I suspect Jay Boo (6:41) is right. This is a liberal woman in mufti who wants to score a few “atheistic” points; not a Muslima.
SK says
I’ve heard Muslims try this one before.
gravenimage says
Likely, Mateen Elass. I’ve heard this claptrap before.
Julea Bacall says
Didn’t you think it sounded too trite to be a real event. I think it sounded staged.
Jose says
The Muslims is misquoting and deceiving, as Evil Allah orders them to do to promote Islam. Those words were not from Jesus, but the words of a king Jesus was quoting via a parabole. Jesus message is one of living your enemy. Upon reading the Koran, the pervasive message from cover to cover is “hate those who are not Muslims and be friends only with those who believe in Allah. Ask her what she is doing to promote the religious freedom of Christians in Muslim majority countries where their churches are burned to the ground for the sake of the message of hate the Evil Koran promotes. So, Muslima, don’t misquote, and although “Allah is the greatest of deceiver”, as the Koran says textually. In contradistinction, Jesus is Truth made flesh, whom evil Muhammad will never replace, the Muslims pcertainly wish by purportedly misquoting the Bible.
Janice Disher says
Have to agree with you esther
Jay says
Agreed on all counts!
Julea Bacall says
The first thing I thought was that it sounded staged. The voices sounded scripted. It was not like any encounters I have seen but sounded just like the ones where ‘Islamophobia’ is described. Sorry, I do not believe this was real enough. Especially the voice screaming GET OUT you f-ing racist! I just do not believe this video. Like some of the other many fake attacks we hear of, often discovered.
Julie says
Not true at all, Indiana Tom. Over 4.4 million Californians voted for Trump. And lots of California cities (especially in Orange County) are rebelling against the sanctuary state baloney. We are just always outnumbered here.
gravenimage says
True. I live in California myself, as well as several other Anti-Jihadists here.
And some parts of the state are actually pretty conservative.
jrw says
Can I hire those actors? The burkha babe did not have a middle eastern accent, so I don’t need that liberal
Richard Cox says
Plenty of Black female Native Americans wearing them with no accent.
Carol the 1st says
(Property of Islam) suit. – love it!
Kepha says
Hitlery? You mean, Shrillary Shroooooooooo?
Vlad says
It’s got the “Wereleman Signature” (thanks the money is in the bank) all over it.
Of course it’s staged by those 2 participants AND the person that took the clip…
Don’t you just love those libtards ?? Lovely burka, Lady 🙂
JawsV says
Why is this on JW? The guy is right. Yes, Islam says to kill us (Jews, Christians and all non-Muslims). It’s called Jihad. Remember 9/11? Islam’s responsible. The Muslima’s a freak clad in her black hefty bag with an eye slit. No, Mateen, I don’t have to love evil and that’s how I consider Islam and anyone who follows the benighted mass-murder BAD religion. Oh, and leave Christianity out of it. Christians/Christianity aren’t the problem. Muslims/Islam are.
Muslims bring the hate upon themselves. What’s deplorable is Islam. A plague on the planet for 1400 years.
Supernova 500 says
Agreed. Mateen Elass is supposedly an ex Muslim but seems to still have some internal battles with his belief system… seemingly with one foot still in Islam. He comments that Christians should sacrifice themselves for the sake of their neighbors. Christians have been being sacrificed, and still are daily, in Muslim countries! To sacrifice oneself to those that mean to destroy you and hate you, without fighting back, is beyond foolishness…..and not a thing our Christian God is demanding of us.This guy is confused.
JawsV says
If Mateen’s a convert to Christianity then why is he shilling for Islam? I can’t even believe this article is on JW.
Mateen, you should read “Wholly Different” by Nonie Darwish (2017). She’s also a convert to Christianity. But, she would never write such tripe as this blubbering over Muslima/Islam and would never use the free-speech-silencing propaganda word “islamophobia.” Read her book and see what she has to say about it. There’s nothing phobic about detesting Islam.
SK says
The problem here is this guy randomly going off on someone in public.
It’s not an issue with the content.
gravenimage says
This article is not shilling for Islam.
JawsV says
What content are you talking about? If you mean the article yes there’s a huge issue with the ex-Muslim’s content. If you mean the angry dude saying “your religion says to kill me” that’s not an issue because its true about Islam.
As for a guy going off in public wow that’s awful. How about telling the Mohammedans to stop going off on us in Jihads and mass-murdering for Allah as the Quran commands?
SK says
The fact that guy is not really wrong about what he said is the content that I mean.
In terms of the second paragraph, I think, why not both? I’m not in support of them doing that at all.
Mateen Elass says
I’d like to correct the record, especially with regard to some misguided personal comments made by Supernova and JawsV. First of all, I am a committed Christian, and after serving as a minister of the gospel for 33 years and earning a Ph.D. in New Testament studies from the University of Durham, England, I now run a ministry seeking to bring Muslims to Christ and the train Christians to share the gospel winsomely with Muslims.
My own conversion to Christ came with the cost of being cast out of my family at age 20 because I had brought such shame upon my father and the family name. Although that was painful, I would do it again in a heartbeat, because what I gained in Christ far outweighed what I lost in family affection and resources.
This is the first time I’ve ever been accused of “shilling for Islam,” which charge would be humorous to those who know me. What I wrote at the end of my piece encouraging Christians to love their enemies was requoted by Supernova disapprovingly. He said:
“To sacrifice oneself to those that mean to destroy you and hate you, without fighting back, is beyond foolishness…..and not a thing our Christian God is demanding of us.This guy is confused.” Funny, the whole message of the gospel focuses on the fact that Jesus did precisely that — as Paul writes in Romans 5, “God showed His love for us in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us….For if while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son….” Jesus when facing arrest and death acknowledged that he could have asked His Father for 12 legions of angels (an impressive force of some 70,000+) to defend him, but knew that was not the way to win the salvation of the world. His path was through self-sacrificial love. Jesus told his disciples that they were to love others as He loved them. He commanded them even to love their enemies and pray for those who persecute them. God makes clear in the NT that His goal in saving human beings is to transform their lives into the image of Christ (see Romans 8:29, for example).
So as a Christian I make no apology for exhorting Christians to demonstrate the love of Jesus even to Muslims, in the hope of winning them to Christ. The best way to end a Muslim’s life is to see him/her become reborn as a Christian. Islam will not be annihilated by force — an ideology cannot be destroyed by military or political might. The only thing that can vanquish an ideology of hate is an even greater ideology of love, which is the weapon Christians wield against the darkness.
I apologize to those who misunderstood or were offended by what I had to say. My normal target audience is specifically Christian, and I realize that is not necessarily the case with the JW audience. I don’t expect non-Christians to understand or heed the advice I was offering at the end of my piece.
P.S. In response to JawsV particularly, I would never counsel anyone to love evil (certainly we are commanded to hate what is evil), only to love human beings, even those in the grip of evil. How we do that demands wisdom and grace, but it is part of Christ’s teaching. Perhaps you did not read my words carefully, or with charity in mind. And, as regards the accusation that my bias and racism against the “white dude” was showing in the photo used at the top of my article on JW, I had nothing to do with the photo that accompanied the article. But of course, you would have no reason to know that, until now.
Robert Spencer says
I’m wholly responsible for the photo. I took a screenshot from the video.
Mirren10 says
Why do you use the wholly spurious term, “islamophobia” ?
*We* all know it is a term cooked up by the Muslim Brotherhood in order to deflect attention from the jihad threat and the evil sharia, and used by leftard idiots and apologists for Islam.
So why don’t you ? And why are you exhorting *Christians* to ‘turn the other cheek’ , but say nothing about the content of the Koran, jihad, sharia, etc, etc ?
JawsV says
Reply to Mateen and RS:
Yes, it sounds like you’re shilling for Muslims/Islam and lecturing Christians on how to behave. Don’t do that on JW! I take huge offense at a former Mohammedan lecturing me on how to be a Christian. What nerve! We’re not Jesus, understand? We can’t be Jesus. So yes, we’re going to fight back against our enemies which Islam has been for 1400 years. So, lay off the “turn the other cheek” and stop using it against us.
“Islam will not be annihilated by force — an ideology cannot be destroyed by military or political might.” — Mateen
That’s BS! Heard of Nazism? it was annihilated by force. It’s called WW2. Heard of it? Nazism was destroyed. However, the problem with that analogy is numbers. The Nazis (Germans) were located only in Germany while there are a gazillion Allah-worshippers worldwide due to 1400 years of Islamic polygamy/child brides. Islam is a worldwide menace. No, we don’t have to be nice to it. That’s ridiculous. No, we don’t knuckle to Islam. If previous centuries had done so Europe would have been Islamic long ago. Charles Martel would not have saved Europe from Islam in 732. Or Sobieski saving Vienna from the Turks in 1683. So, just can it with your “loving Islam” camel poop. No, we don’t have to love evil or the adherents of evil.
Yes, the JW audience is primarily Christian. I venture to assume. Don’t lecture us! I don’t need to be lectured to by a former Muslim! Your tone is condescending. Like we don’t know what Jesus said. You still have that Muslim arrogance. Unlike Nonie Darwish in her book, “Wholly Different” (2017). You should read it.
As for the accompanying photo I still think the freak clad in her Islamic slave garb with eye slit should have been pictured as well. Why only one side?
Mirren10 is right. Why’d you use the Moslem-invented word “i-phobia?” That’s a turn-off from the get-go. There’s no such thing. It’s not phobic (an irrational fear or dislike) to despise Islam. It’s rational to detest the Religion of Jihad. We’re not responsible for Muslims. Jesus doesn’t want us to be run roughshod over by the Allah-worshippers, which they’ve been doing for 1400 years.
Fight against Islam! Thank you Charles Martel, John Sobieski, and all of the Christians who have saved the West from Islam over the centuries. Now we’re just giving the West away to Islam in the 21st. We’ve hung out a “Welcome, Saracens!” sign.
Sophia says
It does sound like shilling for Islam when you use words like “Islamophobia,” and mean for us to take it seriously.
Aside from the fact that it appears completely contrived, Christians are not supposed to be loving toward evil or evil people. Muslims represent evil because they adhere to one of the most evil religions on earth at this point (right after flat out Satanism).
And saying that we cannot “win” Muslims to Christ by speaking the truth about their religion, the Truth that is very unpleasant and offensive to them, is anti-Christ because Christ Himself spoke very harsh Truth when it was called for, and called the Pharisees names like “Snakes” “Vipers” etc.
And yes, it does get old to hear that Christians just have to keep turning the other cheek. That’s just so untrue historically, as JawsV pointed out along with others. How did we stop ISIS recently? Through brute, very violent, force. How did we stop Hitler? Brutally violent war. And how did CHRISTIANS stop the Muslims during the Crusades? Violence and bloodshed that was RIGHTEOUS and very necessary.
I’m sorry that you are offended that Christians have a right to defend their own people against a religious cult seeking to annihilate them off the face of the earth, but that’s exactly that battle that we are preparing to fight in the future.
Julea Bacall says
Mateen…Islam is all for martyrdom for Allah/Islam.
Christ was beyond full Human and became the Martyr SO WE HUMANS WOULD NOT HAVE TO. He did it for humans.
Jews learned this too. We are not ever to give into those who threaten/kill, A person can easily say they forgive the individual Muslim who is so deluded by the Qur’an/Imams but still hate the Philosophy of Islam that warps them & STOP them from abusing others. Jesus did not want people to line up & be killed without a word. Neither did Abraham. Only Islam teaches Martyrdom or old human sacrifice today. Neither should we let Nazigroups, KKKlan, White Supremacists walk over people. Islam is in that same group that is not compatible with USA Constitution, laws. or Universal Human Rights.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Mateen and Robert.
Kepha says
Or, could it be, that Mateen Elass is someone attracted by kind words and treatment rather than shouts of “raghead!!!!” or worse? Could it be he would like to see more ex-Muslim Christians, rather than embittered people confirmed in their bigotry against Westerners, especially Christians?
Where I teach history, I’ve seen kids from Iraq and the West Bank who were raised all their lives on tales of how the Holocaust was a myth concocted by evil Zionist schemers come to see it was a real event and that fellow humans truly suffered. I have had Muslim students has how they might know more about Jesus, and I pointed them to the New Testament. As a non-traditional grad student, I met a Saudi from Mecca who was related to the Hashem family express a newfound appreciation for Jews, having met a few real ones. People can and do change.
As a missions-minded Evangelical, I’ve heard of unprecedented response to the Gospel among Muslim peoples that has, frankly, left missions agencies feeling flat-footed–something that simply was not expected. This is something that has my prayers.
Again, for the umpteenth millionth time, as a non-Anabaptist and non-Quaker, I’m for keeping the proverbial powder dry. Further, I hold no candle for Islam, but I believe that civility is important, and that it is important to be neighborly at least. Keep in mind that when Jesus answered the question “Who is my neighbor?”, he used a “them” (a Samaritan) in his answer (Luke 10:29-37).
Springer says
Didn’t you work for the State Department in a past life? I’d trust Barry Soetoro before I’d trust a State Department minion.
Julea Bacall says
I can agree. Rag head, jokes about goats and camels, garbage bags etc is ‘islamophobian’ same as degrading descriptions about blacks being gorillas, inferior, niggar, or Jews being evil, selfish cabrals controlling the world and weather. We need civility to be heard. Explaining what Islam really is, is not islamophobia. Even saying we do not want it here because of its danger is NOT islamophobia. Saying we do not want Hitlers gang here because of its bigotry, genocide, Supremacist ways is the same as not wanting Islam. Not wanting KKKlan is the same as not wanting Islam. There are things America must say NO to. No spousal abuse, young marriages, pedophilia, no polygamy, no rape or sex with animals, no stoning, no torture, no human sacrifice, no threatening, no plagiarism, no slander, no libel…..we have many NOs which must be upheld. Many Nos which are not ‘free expression’.
gravenimage says
Kepha is a staunch Anti-Jihadist, and has been commenting at Jihad Watch for many years.
tim gallagher says
I agree with every word you’ve written, JawsV. Especially the sentence about the Muslima being freak dressed in her bag (such garb should be banned in every civilised nation) and the following sentence, “I don’t have to love evil”, etc. That’s exactly how I feel about Islam. I find nothing in it but unmitigated evil and it is a clear threat to all of us non-Muslims. Like you, I loathe evil Islam and don’t have the time of day for the adherents to Islam’s evil agenda such as this woman. She should bugger off and live in a Muslim country which should be paradise for her as there’d be no hated infidels around her. I know I’d be happier if all MUslims left the country I’m living in. Christians, Buddhist, Jews, et al, welcome. No Muslims. As you say, Muslims deserve the hate they receive for all the evil they inflict on non-Muslims. Seriously, do they expect us to like them? How stupid would we have to be. And you’re right, Islam has been a plague on this planet for 1400 long years.
Tony Holland says
100%,the medieval cult of sharia is predicated on the assumption that all of those who deny islam are inferior and not worthy of existing,I do not believe that such a thing as a moderate or tolerant muslim exists,I believe that all muslims harbour an overwhelming belief in the destruction of non islamic Western or Christian way of life and are merely awaiting the opportunity to display this intolerance by being prepared to kill as no other group or sect on earth has ever done in modern times.
tim gallagher says
Thanks, Tony. I think that all Muslims have a very nasty attitude towards all non-Muslims. That seems to be the very essence of what Islam is about. So, even the Muslims who may not actually seek to kill us, still have that nasty, hate-filled attitude that has been inculcated in them from their earliest days. I can’t find any redeeming features in Islam. Thanks, JawsV and joanofark06, for your acknowledgement of my comment. JawsV, I agree totally with your comment, up above, to Mateen Elass. You put that Islamophile ( ie supporter of evil barbarism) right back in his place. And I agree with what you said, Islam can be smashed militarily the same way Nazism was in WWII. We Christians aren’t just meant to be pacifists all the time and just turn the other cheek and be slaughtered. How insanely suicidal would that be. I believe we’re meant to fight against things that are clearly evil.
JawsV says
Thank you, Tim! And I agree with all you say!
Julea Bacall says
I have never seen the outfit like that in California. Lots of Muslims, but never any with the little eye slit like that in San Jose, CA.
Savvy Kafir says
I agree, JawsV. Mateen’s un-ironic use of the word “Islamophobia’ smells fishy. That’s enough to tell me that he really doesn’t get it.
It is not “phobic” to despise a thoroughly despicable ideology. And anyone who wears the uniform of Islam is stating that they embrace & support that evil ideology. And they should not be surprised if sane, freedom-loving people have a problem with that.
gravenimage says
Are you *really* accusing Jihad Watch of flogging “Islamophobia”? Good grief…
Jose says
Indeed!!!!
CogitoErgoSum says
How did she drink her coffee without lifting her veil … of do they have holes in them for straws?
ann says
I agree. If it really happened, it’s shameful. But you’re right, it seems suspicious and invented. And why would the woman ask if he’d read the Qur’an? Is there anything in the Qur’an which would set the minds of non-Muslims at rest about whether or not we’re in danger from Islam?
JawsV says
It’s 9/11 that was shameful.
SK says
The 9/11 was more than shameful; it’s horrendous.
Liberals and the left (cf. Lebel) try and imply that agreeing with JW is the first stage of something that ends with berating strangers in public or assassinating people who have skin that is different, which I’m sure you would not do and neither would I.
JawsV says
Leftists are nuts. Lebel’s a Muslim. What do you expect? Consider the source.
SK says
Crazy or not, you can’t give them ammunition for their crazy.
Useful Vidiots says
It’s staged.
JawsV says
How about instead of the angry dude, who has every right to despise Islam, post the Muslima in her freakish black hefty bag/eye slit Islamic slave garb to accompany the article?
JawsV says
Here’s the photo you should use to accompany your article, Mateen:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/a5f77a6e-a63d-3daa-a4d5-03b795d3aedc/ss_white-man-refused-service-at.html
Try not to be so biased and racist against the white dude.
Carol the 1st says
He should have asked her if she knew what the BAG represented. Then he should have gone on to a very loud, lengthy and reasoned filibuster (but in order not to look like he’s picking on muslims, he should ask the question of kafirs).
vlparker says
Funny how all of those negative assumptions about islam always turn out to be negative facts about islam.
JawsV says
Here’s the story on Newsweek. Supporting our capitulation to Islam, of course.
Oh, “anti-Muslim.” How about that Islam’s anti-Jew/Christian, Newsweek? Yeah, read the Quran as the Muslima suggests. You’ll see.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/coffee-bean-refuses-serve-man-145454297.html
Carol the 1st says
And the joyful, heavenly reward to victims of Starbucks “bigotry”:
http://www.newsweek.com/two-black-men-wrongly-arrested-starbucks-settle-2-and-200000-promise-909253
If it sounds like a racket, walks like a racket, quacks like a racket etc…
Diane Harvey says
“Annnnnnnd, cut. Okay, that’s a wrap everyone. Good job by all. I think we got the feel we wanted. Grab some coffee and pastry, and then we’ll head back to the mosque.”
Rey Ybarra says
this is staged. taqiya and another Muslim victim.
JawsV says
Don’t agree that it’s staged. The white dude’s anger is too justifiably real. And the Muslima throwing Christianity at him, as though that’s the problem. No, ISLAM is the problem.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Jaws.
Les Healy says
Robert’s analysis is correct, 100% staged … Muslima is far too confident, and a real Christian would not use foul or offensive language (swear) …. it’ll all come out in time. Islam, the religion of pieces.
Robert Spencer says
I didn’t write this. Mateen Elass did. I am not in favor of berating strangers in public places (or in private); nor should anyone be in favor of such behavior. I agree with Elass that the incident is suspect, primarily because all three created disturbances and only one was refused service, and because of the mindless repetition of the ridiculous “racism” charge.
Caro K says
Dear Robert
You no doubt understand the cultural Marxist’s technique of using words to fight the fiercest wars. Islamophobia is one such word. You could call this guy many things, rude, mean, obdurate, etc. but please, PLEASE do not use the cultural Marxist’s words against those fighting cultural Marxism. It is too confusing, seeing ‘our side’ using this language. Please edit such confusion in future.
Robert Spencer says
I didn’t use the word. I didn’t even write the piece. Please note the byline, and the explanation elsewhere here in the comments section from Mateen Elass about why and in what sense he used the word.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Mr. Spencer.
Jim J says
What was this muslima doing out in plublic in a full burka?? By herself!!
Completely fake
Jim J
gravenimage says
Firstly, this is not a Burqa–it is a Niqab. And yes–especially in the West, you find heavily veiled women out without “Mehrams”.
libertyORdeath says
“a real Christian would not use foul or offensive language (swear)”
Come on now, u can’t really base your opinion of whether this video was staged on something so silly, can u?
Lebel says
The majority of jihadwatchers absolutely support this kind of action (and worse) against any and all Muslims. And why shouldn’t they? they have been told again and again that Islam is pure evil and its only goal is their destruction.
JawsV says
Yes, Muslim Lebel, Islam is pure evil and its goal is our (the West’s) destruction. You’re exactly right! Nail on head! That’s been Islam’s goal since the Arab/Moor invasion of Spain in 711. Read your Islamic history. It’s all Jihad — invading and conquering others until Islam achieves world hegemony. I detest Islam.
souare says
But invader Arabs invaded and conquered all of West Asia after bursting out from the Arabian Peninsula in the 7th century. That was long before the crazed Arabs invaded Spain by way of North Africa.
JawsV says
Which countries are you talking about? I know that Cypress was invaded and conquered as early as 649.
Norger says
Utter horsesh*t. If this was real, it’s inexcusable. Count me as suspicious.
You are selectively outraged. But where’s your outrage at, for example, US imams publicly calling for genocide of Jews? Would you agree Lebel, that multiple open calls for genocide by Muslim religious leaders are far more dangerous than the actions of a single rman who is rude to a Muslim womanin a coffee shop?
gravenimage says
What crap from Lebel–Robert Spencer and Mateen Elass both criticize his behavior.
But note–while Muslim apologist Lebel is outraged by this boorishness, he does not condemn Muslims raping, enslaving, and slaughtering Infidels. *Very* telling.
Lebel says
I forgot to mention that it would not be a jihadwatch story without a little conspiracy thrown in.
Wellington says
Where was the conspiracy, Lebel? Rather, what I read only called for equal treatment, one of many things that Islam knows nothing about and that foolish dhimmis don’t either.
A woman wearing a burqa, an hijab, et al., or a man wearing a Muslim skull cap, et al., will always be for me the sartorial equivalent of Nazi symbols. I mean, so fitting, no, since Nazism went on and on and on about a master race and Islam has gone on and on and on for some 1400 years now about a master faith? Just because Islam has been able to hide behind religion, as Nazism couldn’t, doesn’t make it any less of a threat to liberty.
Per Mohammed, “I have been made victorious with terror.” {Bukhari Hadith 4.52.220} Per Mohammed, “He who changes his Islamic faith, kill him.” {Bukhari Hadith 9.84.57} Per the Koran, “Slay the idolater wherever you find him.” {Sura 9:5} Per the Koran, “Despise the unbelievers until they accept Allah only.” {Sura 60:4}
And it’s never ending with this shit from the Koran, the hadiths and the sira, Lebel. Never ending. And, please, no deception about the Old Testament condoning violence because that was for one time and one small place only. So don’t even tread down that deceptive route.
Your turn, deceiver. Give it a shot.
JawsV says
Agree, Wellington. Lebel’s a Muslim so you have to expect lies, deception, foolishness.
Hey Lebel — why not try to invent/discover something instead of being a parasite on the West’s inventions and discoveries? Muslims couldn’t invent a toaster.
don vito says
you complete the conspiracy, nice touch. sarc/
Niemoller says
More blancomisia/albomisia (hatred of “whites”).
Sting together random events than smear a group as a threat. That’s how “Birth of a Nation” worked in 1915, and racist literature works in general.
One can’t separate racist “whiteness studies” from this race-baiting propaganda. We can’t be traumatized by 9/11 and Muslim terrorism? He can’t be triggered by this vile islamoterrorist? She is going around provoking animosity by dressing like one of a jihadist’s wives while in California; in fact she is a jihadist, and any “woke” person that is not a fool or easily duped knows this. She is pushing an agenda of evil that will end very badly for all of us.
Crusades Were Right says
Imagine being in a public space and having a loud burka-clad woman “in your face” with her cell phone camera and twenty questions about YOUR religion.
I’d say the guy displayed “Hugh Mungous” restraint!
JawsV says
Actually, the freak is wearing a niqab (eye slit). And there weren’t 20 questions. He had no questions. He was probably reminded of 9/11 and got supremely po’d that 3,000 American Jews and Christians were massacred by Muslims/Islam as the Quran commands (9:111). Why OBL chose the date of 9/11.
Crusades Were Right says
@JawsV:
I think you misunderstood my comment, J – I meant that Ninja girl was the one with the questions.
Areader12 says
Why is this propaganda on this site? Islamaphobia? Does the author not understand that means an unreasonable fear of something? In case this author has never read the news or look at a TV, there is legitimate reason to be fearful of muslims. The man is quite rude yes, no reason to start anything in a coffee shop, but the author should takes their SJW bleeding heart, oh be so loving platitudes elsewhere.
gravenimage says
You don’t understand Jihad Watch, I’m afraid.
JF says
My first thought was that this was used as a sensational tool and was STAGED for effect and outrage. Way too many Muslim fake hate crimes. They have lost all credibility as victims to me. By the way, people keep forgeting the Supreme Court ruling last summer that “There are no protections for so-called hate speech. The power of the 1st Amendment is that others are allowed to say the speech that we hate”.
somehistory says
First of all, it was all to convenient not to have been a staged event. The helpful customer was likely a moslim…perhaps the woman’s husband.
Secondly, there is no such thing as the “phobia” they like to throw around…used by the guy writing the article.
Thirdly, too many people like to tell Christians what they should and should not do.”Hatred” is not always wrong. The Bible says to “hate what is bad.” A woman all decked out in a burka in America is engaging in soft jihad. It s allowable to hate this. Most of us would not engage in a shouting match with such as she, but if pushed, one might.
Fourth, what does the writer mean by “even to the point of sacrificing themselves for the benefit of those rise up as enemies.”?
Christians were not commanded to “sacrifice themselves for the benefit of their enemies.”
Christians are willing to sacrifice themselves for the sake of their loved ones and to stay faithful to God. We don’t give up our lives for the benefit of our enemies. We may be kind to those who attempt to anger us, but we are allowed to defend our faith; in fact, we are commanded to defend our faith when it is under attack.
JawsV says
I think Mateen’s still a Muslim. I’m shocked this article appears here. Esp with “i-phobia” in the title. There’s no such thing. It’s a propaganda tool used to silence non-Muslims.
somehistory says
I agree. Just doesn’t write like a Christian would. We recognize evil and don’t “fear” it.
Written much like the accounts of the females who claim someone stole their scarf and try to write like a “redneck” would speak.
Mateen Elass says
As a published Christian author, I’m embarrassed to discover that I don’t “write like a Christian would.” I’d be most grateful to “somehistory” for some lessons to school me properly in this genre.
somehistory says
I’d be happy to do so as a writer myself, but i do not believe your ego would accept the critique. I too have been published.
Just because one is “published” doesn’t make that one a “good” writer. Hitler’s book comes to mind. As well as some others you many never have heard of. Even bloggers can make the claim of being “published.”
Your writing is not up to the standard of the Bible writers. I take my religious advice from them as to how a Christian is supposed to act, speak, think. i do not need to be “schooled” by someone who seems to identify with the moslim mind more than the “mind of Christ.”
No charge for the “lesson.”.
gravenimage says
Mateen Elass is a staunch Anti-Jihadist. Just look at this history of work here at Jihad Watch. I find it embarrassing that there are those who are questioning his bona fides.
Mateen Elass says
JawsV, if you read my piece closely you will see that I use the term “Islamophobia” not as something I believe to be real, but as a pointer to how many Americans have been brainwashed into thinking. The fact that this video has now had over 1.6 million views, and that the majority of commenters uncritically accept it as an instance of Islamophobia, means that it needs to be addressed. My piece was an attempt to point out the possibility that this was staged in the same way that other “fake Islamophobic attacks” have been.
Apparently I was not clear enough in that effort for you and a few others to catch my drift. If you or others have concerns about my beliefs, I encourage you to read some of my blogs of your choice at http://www.mateenelass.wordpress.com.
JawsV says
You should have used quotes around the word to convey skepticism. And then defined it as a propaganda tool used by Muslims to silence non-Muslims from speaking out against Islam.
gravenimage says
+1
Mateen Elass says
Did you happen to notice the question mark at the end of the title of the article? Would that not lead you to question whether “Islamophobia” is an appropriate description of what happened in CA on Friday? The original poster of this video highlighted this as a “textbook case” of Islamophobia. My title was intended as a challenge to that point of view.
Carol the 1st says
Robert must have had a bad day. The words of Elass show offensive bias, condescension, and the tiresomely familiar “turnspeak” e.g. “When I first watched this video, I felt disgust and dismay that a person could display such open disdain for another human being simply on the basis of negative assumptions concerning the religion of Islam.”
Where does Elass deduce this man’s “negative assumptions” concerning the religion of Islam when everyone on this site knows its far more likely that he is, at a minimum, rather more likely WELL-INFORMED about Islam? At the same time the choice of words suggests Elass thinks he knows something to the contrary about Islam. Unfortunately the rest of the world is more concerned about Islam’s “fruits” than fascinated by any sugarcrumbs Elass can come up with.
Also, the man in the video did not show “open disdain” for “another human being” (however much barbarism their ignorance may do and support in the world). This man honestly chose to finally speak up in person and reveal his disdain for Islam (which we all know has an outright subjugation in mind for the filthy kuffar).
This article then goes on to quibble about who should have been thrown out or how we should be polite in civil society. Civility has in fact dulled our response to a true evil and we are beginning to question its validity when our “leaders” let us twist in the wind while failing to protect our “civil” culture. Elass lacks perspective at best, and seeks to muddy the page at worst.
Mirren10 says
“Based on negative assumptions about the religious of Islam.”
What crap. What is positive about Islam ? Absolutely *nothing*. I’read the koran.
I agree with Jaws. What is this crap from an supposedly ex muslim doing on JW ? Just full of attempted whitewashing of the most evil religion ever created by humans. Yuck.
somehistory says
He does seem more on the side of islam than Christianity. Trying to make Christians feel guilty about their reactions, feelings, etc. toward islam and its soldiers attempting to conquer by waging war.
He doesn’t admonish moslims in getting along, but puts the responsibility on Christians to ‘love their neighbor’ and even “sacrifice” themselves.
It just does not have the sound or the taste of truth.
JawsV says
Moslems aren’t my neighbor and I don’t have to love Islam. Islam sucks.
Mateen Elass says
According to Jesus’ Parable of the Good Samaritan, Muslims are your neighbor, and you (as well as I) are called to love them. You are certainly right that you don’t have to love Islam; in fact, if you are a Christian, you cannot love Islam — it is an anti-Christ religion. But for Chrisitians, though we hate the religion, we are to love the people, in hopes that they will see the light, leave Islam and become followers of Christ.
JawsV says
Mateen, there were no Muslims until the 7th century. Islam begins 622 AD. So, when Jesus wrote the parable Muslims didn’t exist. Therefore, doesn’t apply to the Christ-denying Mohammedans. No, they’re not my neighbor and I don’t love them, quite the opposite.
Mateen Elass says
I take my guidance on truth from Jesus. If what I have written is pleasing to Him (and I believe it lines up with His teachings in the Gospels), then I am satisfied. If it does not have the sound or taste of truth to you, then perhaps you might want to check your source of truth against the teachings of Jesus.
somehistory says
According to your own words, you were a moslim before becoming a Christian. We only have your words that you are Christian now.
Your writing displays a fondness for those you called brothers and sisters that does not show in your words to those of us who claim Christianity. You are too ready to judge without knowing any of our fruit, telling us how we should be getting along with those would would gladly kill us given the opportunity….and they are daily making opportunities. We are to “hate what is bad.” islam is not just bad…it is evil.
Read the words Jesus spoke to the Pharisees. He called them “snakes” and “offspring of vipers,” and said they came from “your father the devil.” He did not speak kindly to His enemies. Those who had a good heart and came to Him, He counseled. Not so those intent on killing Him and trying to trip Him up so that He would sin against God as Moses had done when he was made angry in the Wilderness.
I was never a moslim…contrary to the claims of moslims…I have been reading Jesus’s words all of my life…from five years of age.
You go and preach to your moslim friends. I tried that and was lied to, the truth rejected, verbally spit upon.
Anyone who feels that he knows it all and is never to be “counseled” by another, more mature Christian, probably doesn’t understand or know Jesus as well as he thinks he does.
Take a lesson from the fig tree. ( Jesus’s words). He is my “Source” of Truth. I look to Him for guidance on how to please my Father, not to some human.
I esp don’t take guidance from islam or those who admire or adhere to it.
JawsV says
Thanks, Mirren. Yes, it’s doggie doo. What’s this whitewashing article doing here? And I feel like this Mateen fellow, a supposed ex-Muslim, is trying to lecture me on Islam. DON’T DO THAT, MUSLIM.
somehistory says
I believe he was trying to lecture on Christianity, and demanding Christians “tolerate” islam.
“Christians especially need to stand against hatred and its offspring’
JawsV says
OK. Islam’s hate and we’re standing against it. Got that, Mateen?
Carol the 1st says
Yes, even though confrontations with women tend to be “off-limits” in a cultured society, it’s nonetheless even more offensive to read the overblown, guilt-peddling in this silly article. It’s been put here as a suspicious novelty we can be sure. SUCH hurt feelings!! SOOO sensitive to any offense given to a muslima -as she stands innocently in bank-robber gear that signals a complete rejection of Western values!!! Encore being a “liberated” rant.
Elass seems to fancy he’s Christian but shows evidence of enjoying “turning the tables” and dramatizing the “holier-than-thou” routine we’ve come to recognize. Meanwhile Islam acts like a cancer feeding on our personal inhibitions and general kindness while our “leaders” see fit to take the easy or lucrative way. Surely Elass can find far bigger fish to fry and cry about? e.g. how about the Fakestinians?
Jack Dillon says
This was a contrived incident. Like the race-baiters in our government, deeming almost any action as micro-aggression to macro-aggression racism, the Muslims have learned effective PR, even when it is staged.
mortimer says
The MORAL of this story is: NEVER TALK TO A MUSLIM, BECAUSE WHATEVER YOU SAY WILL BE USED TO CLAIM VICIMIZATION.
JawsV says
No worries! I would never talk to Muslims and listen to their “Taqiyya” BS.
Caro K says
JawsV: I concur. SPECIALLY in ANY public place. Self-appointed victims are exceedingly facile with their cell video recording settings. Ignore rudeness.
Niemoller says
I say bravo to him for getting a little irate after years (centuries really) of islamoterrorism around the world, and shame on the islamopanderer yelling lame names and the spineless bimbo working behind the counter. The only bigot was the one covering her face, the muslima terrorist with the phone. She is no different than the muslima terrorist who tried to get a student expelled in Florida for not trying on a hijab.
mortimer says
Looks like a ‘hate incident’ only the person hated was the one who expressed dislike of Islam.
Carol the 1st says
So true. And the real victim seems to have only disliked Hallowe’en costumes worn inappropriately!
ciudadano says
Well, I went through a similar situation a couple of yeas ago. I was sitted on a cafeteria´s table having a coffee. A Muslim woman donning a full niqab showed up, ordered something, seated down in a table behind me and started opening some soda cans making a lot of noise.
I thought it was kind of funny that she opened more than one can and made so much noice. It was kind of scary. I looked around and most people looked uneasy. I stood up and leave the coffee shop discretely. I just didn´t want to run the chance.
Caro K says
Brilliant. You did the right thing. We are definitely working with potential entrapment here.
Carol the 1st says
lebel, is that you??
Troybeam says
Islam is not a race….its a theocracy, why can’t people understand that.
This man could have done the entire conversation differently, the woman the same, the manager should have served him his coffee respecting the First Amendment.
Remember people Sharia law is for Muslims only, Muslims are working very hard to get into elected office, once there the agenda is to see that sharia law becomes dominate though demand that laws be written to silence those that speak the truth about Islam and punish everyone that does so.
OldFatBaldSociallyIneptRon says
Imagine If a videophone provocateur playing gotcha while hiding behind and peeping out of the eyeholes of a Ku Klux Klan hood while dressed in full Klansman robe and attire had approached an unsuspecting negro customer at this same counter was asked by that startled customer if it was Halloween, then proceeded to get extremely vocal hoping to elicit sympathy from bystanders and employees by playing the poor oppressed victim. Would the on duty supervisor have dared to refuse service to the negro for having the same negative reaction? NOT ON YOUR LIFE. This is America, folks can wear offensive divisive hateful white pointed hoods, equally offensive and divisive black ninja slot head bags, or even tasteless pink pussy hats. The same First Amendment that grants them the protected right to be as visually offensive to us as they choose, also gives you, me, and the hero of this video that some called a “bigot” the absolute right to be just as verbally offensive right back. Freedom..use it, or lose it.
Calvin says
She looked prepared for Jihad as she had her camera rolling, how many people did she crowd before getting the reaction she was looking for, her phone should have been searched to see if she was a serial harasser.
Carol the 1st says
I’m not a nervous person but jump whenever one of those creepy get-ups gets near me. I guess it’s instinct – like how you react to a snake or spider or something coming toward you out of the dark.
Ren says
Who cares to speak with a crazy muslima? And the dumb waitress who doesn’t know the fuck about islam conflates it with racism…
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
To continue Mateen Elass’s catalog of fishiness…
Sixth, this Muslimah is out in public. Where is her mahram?
Granddaddy says
I personally find it hard “to believe in the ‘self-evident truths’ that all human beings are created in the image of God and entitled to seek life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” when they worship a god that tells them to hate me, to lie to me, and to kill me. Why should anyone side with such evil? Just seems contradictory, for some reason. This clip just suddenly starts conveniently at the right place. If it’s not staged, then it has been manipulated. Muslims, as far as I’m concerned, deserve no benefit of the doubt.
Carol the 1st says
It sounds to me like “Islamic Supremacism is trying on the Christian Pulpit for size”. Hold still nicely while the knife is sharpened.
Carol the 1st says
Google reveals that Elass wants us to understand Islam. One of his offerings has an amusing line: “Suggestions on how the Koran should or should not be used in conversations with Muslims are also included.”
Translation: Try not to offend.
somehistory says
Thanks for the info on the book. he says he was “published” but didn’t say what in a comment to me.
And it shows exactly what I had commented that caused him to be put out with me and to lecture me personally.
Just consider the difference with what you found and other ex-moslims who have written articles for this site and others. Totally different.
Lydia Church says
And nowhere does Jesus endorse killing his enemies!
But love our enemies!
What folly!
Even on the night of His arrest, He does not let them kill or hurt the arresting army!
In one place He tells disciples to ‘take a sword’ but only for self defense of course!
They are such fools!
Ugh!
Granddaddy says
Yes, absolutely. But they’re worse than fools. Notice that as soon as the man speaks, she asks if he’s a Christian. This has nothing to do with her being a Muslim or his dislike of “your religion that says to kill me”. She can’t defend her religion, so she starts on Jesus. And that with a lie.
This is standard procedure with most Muslims: they can’t defend their religion (Mohammed the pedophile, Mohammed the mass murderer, Mohammed the Jew-hater, etc), such things can’t be defended in our culture, so they attack the speaker. If this happened in England or just about anywhere in Europe right now, he would have been arrested for hate speech. I don’t appreciate the man’s attitude, personally, but the fact is, we don’t know what happened before the camera started rolling and I suspect it’s because the girl taking the video didn’t want us to see it. All those castigating the man’s behavior as unacceptable should consider what it is we are obviously not being told.
Islam is a vile, hateful cancer on the World and anyone who defends it is not our friend. This woman deserves no help from us.
JawsV says
“Islam is a vile, hateful cancer on the World and anyone who defends it is not our friend. This woman deserves no help from us.”
Exactly, Granddaddy.
somehistory says
Agreed. We don’t know what may have been edited to fit their agenda.
Not long ago, I was in a local store and the checker was assisting me and my daughter. A moslim woman who worked there for awhile…haven’t seen her lately…just pushed in front of my daughter and insisted that the checker help her with an issue she was having with a product.
She didn’t excuse herself, ask to be heard, she just pushed her way and began talking over what the checker was saying to us. fully dressed for the “soft jihad” and pushing her way ahead. If we had objected, and she had insisted, would she claim that we were the aggressors? I have no doubt.
afrostreetwise says
Something is not right with the whole episode. This thing appears more staged than real. I agree with the author. The choice of words seem calculated to portray Muslims as being discriminated. I seem to detected a knowing nod from the Muslim at the end of the conversation. Yeah, there is a 90% chance it’s faked.
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Mike says
This , to me, si typicaly staged . Muslims are good at it .
Matthew Whyte says
What “RACE” is islam ?
David says
Islam is no more a race than is Christianity. It is instead, a curse on the World
Brother Charles says
What I got from that ,was , I AM A MUSLIM AND YOU CANNOT SAY ANYTHING TO ME . He never mentioned any religion ,It was her that mentioned both muslim and the christian religion ,I WONDER WHY ?
FYI says
“Have you read the koran?” the muslima bleats with her whiney voice?
The muslima,is a lying ,two-faced,hypocrite.What she said about Jesus is completely FALSE;Jesus Christ NEVER said people must be murdered:that’s allah and his mass-murdering pederast “prophet” who say that!
The muslima has the tongue of a serpent(..I’m not excusing the man’s rudeness…);Yet in fact,she revealed herself to be the one full of hate by telling a lie about Jesus Christ.
What about her anti-Christian comment?Isn’t that……. “hate speech”..?
What typical{ taqqiya/tawriya/kitman} from a hysterical muslima ,from a religion that encourages blasphemy,the bearing of false witness ,and the violating of God’s Commandments.
Has SHE read the commandment-of-God violating “holy” koran..?
“allah’s CURSE upon the Jews and the Christians” k9:30
She quotes Jesus yet her demonic “holy” koran of hate preaches..
“Oh ye who believe!Take not the Jews and Christians for friends” k5 :51
{btw,wearing a burqa should most definitely be banned as a security risk..although the dumb waitress might do with one………. it would greatly improve her appearance}
The freak at the back of the café shouting “racist” clearly belongs in a sanatorium.
the hysterical muslima needs to take a deep breath ,open her “holy” koran and read what
allah has to say about women..
k2:282 In islamic law a woman =1/2 a man
k4:11 a son’s inheritance =2X that of daughter
k4:3 polygamy is ok but polygyny isn’t
k65;4 muslim men can have sex with little girls{child brides ok}
‘aint that just delightful??
allah’s ok with all that! And to add insult to injury,the muslima must ..
1 wear a tent in public to hide herself from lusty muslim men and..
2 according to muhammed most mulimas go to hell.So ..
Ya see?All that Burqa wearing for nothing,all that 5 times a day false piety,all that useless fasting…and STILL
the muslimas go to hell…..’cos allah is a misogynistic bigot…
vlparker says
I understand your frustration, JawsV. If you encountered someone wearing a KKK outfit or a Nazi stormtroope’rs uniform you would be vilified and excoriated for not confronting them. Assuming that this is all real, this woman supports and is a member of the most evil ideology on earth. Yet, in the West, she is not considered the hater, those who oppose her are considered haters. The West and US are insane. In a sane western world, islam would be mocked, ridiculed, deported and legislated out of existence, We are at war and we are being infiltrated by the enemy and it’s time we started acting like it. To me the bottom line is would such an action as this man took help or hurt our war effort. In the current ridiculous PC climate it would hurt because it can be used by the enemy as propaganda. That is what needs to be changed, the PC climate. As long as we have cowardly politicians and judges whose primary interest is themselves and their careers, the PC climate ain’t gonna change.
JawsV says
“The West and US are insane. In a sane western world, islam would be mocked, ridiculed, deported and legislated out of existence. We are at war and we are being infiltrated by the enemy and it’s time we started acting like it.” (from above)
Exactly. In fact, the more I think about it, I admire this white guy for saying something after all the Allah-worshippers have done to us rather than stay quiet like a good little Dhimmi. Someone wrote that her alien “Other” outfit represents “soft jihad.” Attire as a weapon signalling “ISLAM’S HERE.”
And, what the angry white dude said was correct. Yes, Islam says to kill us (Jihad). That’s why it’s not staged. They wouldn’t have put in that truthful line were it staged. Dude knows what he’s talking about.
Apparently Mateen misjudged his audience (from the comments). Speaking for myself I have no sympathy for Hefty Bag/Eye Slit Muslima idiots following the Religion of Jihad.
Carol the 1st says
Mateen Elass obviously LOVES whatever is PC. I’m sure that’s why he donned his sheep’s clothing and slipped in here – to mock perhaps?
gravenimage says
Matten Elass is a regular contributor to Jihad Watch–and a very good one.
patriotliz says
I wonder what the verbal exchange would have been between a Leftist (or Conservative) and someone wearing a tall pointy white hat of the KKK or a Nazi emblem. If you display outward clothing/insignia of a bigoted supremacist ideology…expect backlash against the hateful ideology that you are “proudly” displaying.
This is a concocted provocation to capture Islamophobia to promote Victimhood Jihad.
Muslims are are ALWAYS the victims of non-Muslims who reject the heinous ideology.
Personally, I have pity on any woman imprisoned in a burka in countries where they have no choice.
In the “Free World” I would ask if anyone is forcing her to wear that and is her life in danger if she didn’t.
If she says she’s not in danger and its her choice, I would then ask her why she wears it since not all Muslim women in the West wear such extreme clothing.
David says
The more you watch this, the more it looks like a set up. We need to build a collection of fake Islamo attacks. Have you seen the fake Gaza injuries videos. I reckon the Syria gas attack video is faked There are two. Girl with Hijab ripped off was shown to be false.Dead body falls from stretcher in Gaza. He gets up, and back onto the stretcher.
nightlight says
“In any case, the incivility revealed in this encounter trumpets a warning about how we as a society have lost the capacity to treat each other with respect and to engage in conversations profitably”.
Why should we (Americans) respect a woman who wears a symbol of the most viciously misogynistic religion in the world?
Why should we respect a religion that has been killing those of other faiths simply for being of other faiths?
Why should we seek to have profitable conversations with those who follow a religion that promotes criminal insanity and is followed by people who want to kill us?
JawsV says
So right, nightlight. I don’t respect Islam and I don’t have to. Or respect the deluded morons who follow it.
Here’s my conversation with Islam: GET OUT OF OUR JUDEO-CHRISTIAN COUNTRY.
Savvy Kafir says
All good points, nightlight. We have no obligation to “respect” a barbaric ideology — or those who embrace that ideology and help to keep it going & growing in our midst.
Who would have expected Brits in 1940 to “respect” Nazism or Nazis? — even though most Nazi Party members were not personally dropping bombs on Britain or killing British soldiers in France.
Carol the 1st says
Some people make a living at it. Mateen would really like us to visit his site. Check Fiddle Fadl’s while you’re at it. “Moderates” make big bucks these days.
FYI says
Notice that the whiney muslima had her camera all set up BEFORE the man said anything…
She should read what allah says about women in her “holy” koran>…..perhaps so should the silly little waitress.
..and check out “C.J werleman”..love the Muruna!… {author of “the new atheist threat”,taqqiya merchant and islamic apologist}
So what is wrong with atheism you ignorant muslim ?
At least atheists are honest in their non-belief;Unlike the falsely pious,”holy” muslim with…
your false god “allah”{an antichristian,antsemitic insult to the True God of Moses}
your false commandment-of-God violating “holy” koran{with its wickedly perverse and satanic teachings}
your demonic “prophet” muhammed{mass murderer,serial adulterer,pedophile,polygamist thief..}
your public displays of false piety that the muslims are so good at.
..{shame its to a false god!..}
What part of God’s Commandments do you muslims,your false god “allah” and your satanic false “prophet” just NOT understand?
islam is evil in origin.
AND
May God bless the IDF and protect Israel from the godless savagery of islam’s commandment-of-God violating followers.
Luckily for Israel and the Jews they have the Real Deal on their side.. and Israel was given to the Jews..NOT to the “Palestinians”:Israel and Jeruslaem do not belong to the muslim!!
Your islamic moon god “allah” is no match against the God of Israel:that’s why you muslims will ALWAYS,always lose….your “allah” won’t protect you.Your false piety,your “prayers”,your ramadam fasting will never achieve victory because you muslims are actually on the losing side(and you are too stupid to see it…)
maddog with swagg says
I wish I were there. When moslima brought up the Bible vs. the Koran I would have really laid into her.
First of all there isn’t one bit of moral equivanence between the Bible and the Koran. I would have started with Mohammud. By all the Islamic Doctrines including the Koran, the Hadiths and the Sira …by their own admission, Mohammud was a Mass Murderer. Islamic doctrines tell how Mohammud destroyed by physical violence, murdering every neighbor he ever had.!!!
The moslima is a SLAVE to Allah and to her “Religion” of War and Conquest. Thats what the burqa represents …SLAVERY. Slavery to every moslem man she comes in contact with. A moslimas testimony carries just one-half the credibility of a moslem man.!!! This moslima knows NO REAL FREEDOM.
If thats what you want, then join her. Or, you might consider what former moslem women have to say about Islam. Look up:
Anni Cyrus at
https://youtu.be/qsm8TFdmZ7o
….or Isik Abla at
https://www.facebook.com/mbrawthen/videos/vb.1170605290/10212343982652598/?type=2&video_source=user_video_tab
and
http://reclamationstories.org/isik-abla/
And there so many other former moslems who are know speaking out against the Religion of War and Conquest also known as Islam.
JawsV says
Yes, Islam — the Religion of War and Conquest (Jihad). No, it’s not peaceful, George (W Bush)!
Robin Datta says
When you wrestle a pig, the pig enjoys it but you end up covered in s**t.
And the more you stir that bucket of s**t, the more it stinks.
peter says
The man had a point .You do not know who it is who is hiding behind the mask .It may be well known criminal ,a thug or even ISIS . The person may even be even trying to poison the customers. No one should be allowed to wear a mask in public by whatever name it is called .It should be declared illegal and should be prosecuted in the interests of public safety
The women here is the one who should have been thrown out for being impertinent. Racist is an adjective which no patriot can escape these days . The gentlemen should be complimented for his sense of responsibility having raised the alaram . He should wear the the adjective as a badge of honor . Long live the patriots of America and down with traitors on the left
Carol the 1st says
Katie Hopkins: I wore a burqa in Molenbeek, and…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEmoJqf44Cs
somehistory says
+ Many!!
bodyflight2 says
Why is this man considered a “racist”? It doesn’t even show the color of this woman. “Racist” is a stock, knee-jerk accusation against all criticism of Islam. He is rude but it has nothing to do with RACE but a very evil RELIGION, dedicated to killing most of us.
jimmww says
But we know that the more playful of us may have the spunk to make a remark to someone that his/her costume or behavior reminds us, humorously, of something…
This is of a piece with the forbidding of banter between men and women, which implies the inability of women (or men?) to deal with play.
We are reminded of the joke:
How many lesbians does it take to change a light bulb?
That’s not funny!!
O Brave New World. Not.
Dale Netherton says
Is not infidelophobia hate speech?
Julea Bacall says
It sounds so faked to me. Like script reading almost.
Linda Clark formerly Linnte says
I guess I’m just lucky to not have any Muslims in my neck of the woods. Because I wouldn’t be able to shop ANYWHERE for being kicked out for hate speech. Hahahahaha!
TrueFreeThinker says
Apparently the Democraps have decided that coffee shops should be the next ground zer0 for their next social justice warrior crusade!
The coffee shop manager is a good liberal for being one sided in just throwing out the “very racist” white male.
This is your typical Christianphobe.
gravenimage says
Coffee Clash — Islamophobia in California?
……………….
This guy is boorish, but he is not wrong about the violent contents of the Qur’an.
She, on the other hand, is lying that Jesus said to bring non-Christians to him to be killed.