The Sikh Islamic apologist Simran Jeet Singh sums up the way that the political and media elites in France and all over the West are trying to spin this episode: “This Muslim man from Mali helped save a child’s life in Paris. Everyone is now calling him ‘The Muslim Spider-Man.’ For once, Muslims are receiving positive press in France. Hopefully this will help resolve some people’s disdain for Muslims and Islam.”
In a similar vein, SOS Racisme said: “Mamoudou Gassama serves as a useful reminder to us that people without papers are human beings with…great bravery that many have shown in their perilous journey to Europe – bravery that they often continue to display here.”
Who has denied that “people without papers” are human beings? This is another example of the kind of straw man the Leftists frequently construct in order to try to intimidate people into fearing to oppose the massive Muslim migrant influx into Europe.
And however grand a fellow Mamoudou Gassama may be, what does his action show us about Islam? Absolutely nothing, unless it can be shown that he acted upon Islamic teachings calling for acts of kindness toward unbelievers. But there are no such teachings; on the contrary, the Qur’an tells Muslims: “Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another, ruthless to unbelievers” (48:29). So if this toddler is not a Muslim, Gassama acted against Islam in saving his or her life.
Finally, many people have suggested that the whole thing is staged, pointing out that there is a man standing within inches of the child. The story below says that he was unable to rescue the child, but from the video there is no obvious reason why he couldn’t do so. Did the French authorities and/or media put on this whole thing in order to soften the attitudes of the French public toward Muslim migrants? Would they be so cynical and depraved as to risk the life of a child in order to further their political agenda? The massive and unjustified generalizations being made about Muslims, Islam, and migrants in the wake of this incident certain make that a possibility.
“France grants honorary citizenship to hero ‘spiderman’ migrant who scaled Paris building to save four-year old,” by Henry Samuel, Telegraph, May 28, 2018:
A Malian migrant hailed a national hero for scaling a building to save a four-year old dangling from a fourth-floor balcony in Paris is to be granted French nationality and given a job as a fireman.
A video of Mamoudou Gassama’s spectacular rescue went viral on social media and has been viewed millions of times.
With a crowd below cheering him on from the street, the migrant pulled himself from balcony to balcony at risk of life and limb, and managed to grab the four-year-old as a neighbour unsuccessfully tried to reach the boy from the nearest flat.
President Emmanuel Macron invited Mr Gassama to the Elysee Palace on Monday morning to personally thank him. During their filmed conversation, Mr Gassama said that he was trembling like a leaf after his courageous act.
Afterwards, Mr Macron announced that he would be granted French citizenship and join the French fire brigade.
Paris mayor Anne Hidalgo also lauded the 22-year-old’s heroism, and said she had called him to thank him in person.
She hailed him as the “Spiderman of the 18th”, a reference to the Paris district where the rescue took place.
“Congratulations to Mamoudou Gassama for his act of bravery that saved the life of a child,” Ms Hidalgo tweeted.
“He explained to me that he had arrived from Mali a few months ago dreaming of building his life here.
“I replied that his heroic gesture was an example for all citizens and that the City of Paris will obviously be keen to support him in his efforts to settle in France.”
Hinting that he could expect a fast track to residency, government spokesman Benjamin Griveaux tweeted: “This huge act of bravery, faithful to the values of solidarity of our Republic, must open the doors to our national community.”
A petition has been launched online.
Rights group SOS Racisme said: “Mamoudou Gassama serves as a useful reminder to us that people without papers are human beings with…great bravery that many have shown in their perilous journey to Europe – bravery that they often continue to display here.”…
RichardL says
it’s weird: Muslims go a killing sprees and they are not Muslims. One good guy does something brave and all Muslims are heroes. Liberals are simply ideologues: they cannot see individuals as individuals, they always see uniform groups. Muslims are the poor and stupid minority in the west and thus they are all good.
Summing up: that was brave and impressive. And no, one guy doesn’t heal millions of evils Muslims.
Guy Jones says
Great point. All of Islam’s sundry pathologies (as acted out by supremacist, totalitarian and belligerent Muslims) are claimed by Islamic apologists to have nothing whatsoever to do with the Islamic ideology. Yet, if there is some public relations benefit to be reaped by hyping up or exaggerating some alleged (and, admittedly rare) act of Muslim benevolence, such alleged act and conduct will somehow be alleged to represent the quintessence of Muslim behavior.
Logic&Reason says
Yep.
It’s akin to finding a needle in a hay-stack and claiming it’s now a needle-stack.
RichardL says
Brilliant! Much better put than I.
SAE says
Our American Intelligence agencies claim that finding these terrorists that are plotting our demise …is also like finding a needle in a hay stack. Common sense dictates that while one is still searching….you’d stop bringing in more hay (muslims).
gravenimage says
Fine post, Richard.
Save Europe says
Win the 5,000 or 10,000 metres at the Olympics or the ‘Great British bake-off’ and they’re Muslim. If they rape underage non Muslim British girls, then they’re ‘Asian.’
SAE says
…or mentally ill with no mention at all of ideology
gravenimage says
True, Save Europe.
souare says
There are no absolutes in nature. For every 1,000 crimes by North African Muslims and others from West Asia, there may be a single positive act from someone who is just nominally Muslim.
West African Muslims for the most are known to be quite flexible on Islam–except for the vile Muslims of Boko Haram and those from deep Northern Nigeria.
Furthermore, West African Muslims are not seen as equals in faith in places like North Africa and the Arabian Peninsula. They are the second class citizens of Arab Islam.
gravenimage says
Overwhelmingly, Muslims represent a *threat* to native Europeans.
christianblood says
gravenimage posted
(..Overwhelmingly, Muslims represent a *threat* to native Europeans..)
You are absolutely right!
Ecosse1314 says
Looks a set up to me. Maybe wrong but can see no reason why the others tgere could not pull the kid to safety.
Jay says
I agree. I watched the video three times – if that was my child I would have gone over the divider and grabbed the child. I think it was staged but for what purpose? I am glad the child was okay in the end.
Ecosse1314 says
Well the guy now has a passport a job and no doubt celebrity status. Not bad for an illegal.
christianblood says
+1
overman says
“I think it was staged but for what purpose?”
Before this he was allowed to work in ltaly, but NOT France. Now he’s joining the french fire service.
overman says
Of course, the ‘Big Picture’ is that muslims in Paris are now in a much more positive light.
Jay says
Exactly. If that was my child I would have jumped over the railing separating the patios and grabbed the child! How did the child get in that position in the first place? Glad the child was okay but should have NEVER been put in this position !
Ian says
The father was out shopping, and the child was able to get out onto the balcony on its own. The person holding the child was in the next door apartment leaning around the balcony divider, and may not have been able to lift the child from that angle, without being concerned that it might be dropped. The child should of course not have been put in that position; ie by the father not leaving the child unattended and in obvious danger.
JawsV says
“How did the child get in that position in the first place?”
A baby, actually. I think he was placed there so a Muslim could rescue him. There’s no way a baby could hold on like that nor even have a concept of holding on so he won’t drop to his death.
Berengaria says
This sounds like the Muslim Apologists have put together one Real Big PR Sham, but the French Dhimmis will swallow anything, providing there is Bloody Halal Sauce to wash it down.
The Child Victim,in this farce, should be investigated a bit more, because the Muslim Hero just might be a Groomer, Quite Common in Mohammad’s Followers.
SAE says
Wow. Interesting theory. Any evil, abhorrent deed is possible with muslims. It’s random acts of kindness that are so completely unexpected. That’s why this story is very suspect.
christianblood says
SAE
If this was an Arab or a Paki I would agree with you! Most of the black African muslims in those sub-Saharan African countries don’t follow a very strict terroristic, Wahhabi form of islam and they are indeed a very decent people and most hate and consider Arabs as evil colonizers!
gravenimage says
There are lots of pious Muslims in sub-Saharan Africa, I’m afraid–like Boko Haram.
christianblood says
gravenimage
You are right, Boko-Haram is a very dangerous and a murderous islamic jihadist organization in Nigeria and so is -Al-shabab in East Africa, especially Somalia. There are many pious muslims in Africa however, especially in West Africa, places like Mali, Senegal, Gambia, Niger, Guinea, IvoryCoast, Togo, etc local muslims have always been syncrenistic, mixing their form of islam with their various African animistic religions and have always been very peaceful and very tolerant and still are in majority of cases. However, because of Saudi and other oil-rich Gulf Arab states, dangerous Wahhabi form of islam is being propagated in those places and ISIS and Al-Qaeda are using this to establish themselves. I hear a lecture recently, about Malian musicians fleeing from North of Mali because of the persecution in the hands of Wahhabi terrorists there who are banning their form of music and even murdering some musicians.
gravenimage says
Christianblood, things may indeed be getting worse now–but there is still an ugly history of Jihad and Shari’ah in West Africa. Remember Biafra? And Mauritania is a slave state.
somehistory says
Perhaps he can be encouraged to leave islam behind. He showed that he valued the life of a child, as opposed to those vile creatures who only see a child as someone to rape.
souare says
His explanation was that he had children too; not that he was Muslim. On the other hand, those vile Muslim killers in France justify their wickedness by pointing to the Qur’an, their Instructor’s Manual.
Most likely he would be a Muslim in name only. Many West African Muslims are like that–except the vile and stupid fanatics like Boko Haram. They are all despicable tool-slaves of imperialist Arab Islam.
christianblood says
souare posted
(…Most likely he would be a Muslim in name only. Many West African Muslims are like that–except the vile and stupid fanatics like Boko Haram. They are all despicable tool-slaves of imperialist Arab Islam…)
Very true indeed! Most West Africans muslims are decent
people, tolerant people who don’t follow a very strict terroristic form of Wahhabi islam that is propagated in Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states and they are very, very different from Arabs and Pakis etc who follow those terroristic ideologies. People here seem not to understand this.
gravenimage says
Not so much, I’m afraid:
“Ramadan in Mali: Muslims open fire on group of people resting under a tree, murder at least 20”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/05/ramadan-in-mali-muslims-open-fire-on-group-of-people-resting-under-a-tree-murder-at-least-20
This story was posted just today.
More:
“Mali: ‘Particularly sophisticated and underhanded’ jihad attack as jihadis pose as UN peacekeepers”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/04/mali-particularly-sophisticated-and-underhanded-jihad-attack-as-jihadis-pose-as-un-peacekeepers
More:
“Mali: Muslims tell Christians they’ll kill them if they go to church”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/10/mali-muslims-tell-christians-theyll-kill-them-if-they-go-to-church
How decent and tolerant is any of this? There are, of course, many more such horrible stories.
Nour says
The Quran says: “And whoever saves a soul – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely” (5:32)
The Prophet Muhammad said: ““Feed the hungry and visit a sick person, and free the captive, if he be unjustly confined. Assist any person oppressed whether Muslim or non-Muslim.”
Verse 49:13 of the Quran reads: “O mankind, indeed, We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another.”
The verse invites intercultural and interfaith understanding and cooperation, stating that gender, tribal and national differences are divinely ordained.
There are dozens of other verses in the Quran reiterating this point. The idea of “knowing one another,” the best English translation of the word taarafu, refers to activity that is reciprocal and ongoing.
Indeed, from an Islamic perspective, the definition of “parent,” “neighbour” and “people” includes both Muslims and non-Muslims, with diversity and inclusion as key Islamic principles.
Savvy Kafir says
Nour — Every nice, peaceful, inclusive verse of the Qur’an is abrogated (cancelled out entirely) by later “revelations” preaching jihad & hatred of non-Muslims. Hatred of non-Muslims is THE central theme of that vile book.
And, once he gained political & military power, the Prophet Muhammad was ruthless to non-Muslims — murdering, raping, & enslaving them — and encouraged his followers to do the same.
Your psychopathic prophet designed a vicious religion/political system that wages perpetual war against non-believers.
Lebel says
Hi! you seem to be under the impression that people here care about evidence. You could present Hadiths and Verses until you’re blue in the face; these people are certain of the truth:
1. Islam is evil no matter what you say or do or what evidence you present
2. Muslims are all evil and while there may be a few confused ones we can’t tell them from the others soo….
That said, keep going, it gets kind of lonely on this hate site.
JawsV says
“hate site,” Lebel? Islam is the hate site. For 1400 years. Yes, Islam is evil. A plague on the planet.
Cicero says
Yes lebel to speak and write the truth about Islam are hateful acts in your eyes.
In Islam lies are the truth and the truth are lies. No wonder such beliefs give rise to high levels of mental illness amongst the followers of the religion of peace.
gravenimage says
Lebel considers this a “hate site” for daring to point out the savagery of Jihad.
Save Europe says
Well then don’t come here, and visit the pathetic Huff Po instead.
Mark Swan says
The Mysterious Lebel would have us believe that what we know about Islam’s Intent is just us.
Islamophobes
Have you been branded an Islamophobe – a slur word invented by Muslims against non-Muslims?
Then join the ranks of the world’s greatest political leaders, military leaders, writers, philosophers, historians, researchers and intellectuals; the movers and shakers of history.
Here are just a very few of them and their opinions:
An extremely large percentage of Muslims in South Asia today are the progeny of forcible conversions and systematic rape campaigns by marauding Muslim invaders.
– Dr. Younis Shaikh
Pakistani medical doctor, human rights activist and freethinker.
Some, indeed, dream of an Islam in the future, rationalised and regenerate. All this has been tried already, and has miserably failed. The Koran has so encrusted the religion in a hard unyielding casement of ordinances and social laws, that if the shell be broken the life is gone. A rationalistic Islam would be Islam no longer.
– Sir William Muir
Scottish Orientalist, scholar of Islam, and colonial administrator (27 April 1819 – 11 July 1905).
The brotherhood of Islam is not the universal brotherhood of man. It is brotherhood of Muslims for Muslims only. There is a fraternity but its benefit is confined to those within that corporation. For those who are outside the corporation, there is nothing but contempt, slavery and enmity.
– Dr.B.R. Ambedkar
Indian jurist, economist, politician and social reformer (14 April 1891 – 6 December 1956).
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.
– Sir Winston Churchill
British Conservative politician and statesman of the United Kingdom (30 November 1874 – 24 January 1965).
Religious harmony is a desirable thing. But it takes two to play the game. Unfortunately such a sentiment holds no position in Islamic theology.
– Ram Swarup
Independent Hindu thinker and prolific author (1920 – 26 December 1998).
Over a billion people believe in Allah without truly knowing what Allah supposedly stands for or what he really demands of them. And the minority that do understand continue to be Moslems because they have redefined their morality and ethics to fit within the teachings of Islam, which are floridly lacking in morality. They therefore redefine what is good and evil in order to fit their lives into what is preached by Islam, instead of examining Islam to see if it fits within the good life. Backwards thinking, imposed by a backward religion.
– Professor Bertrand Russell
British philosopher, logician, mathematician, historian, and social critic (18 May 1872 – 2 February 1970).
The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within.
– Will Durant
American writer, historian, and philosopher (November 5, 1885 – November 7, 1981
There are such “social values” today in Europe, America, and Australia only because during those thousand years the Christians of Europe possessed the warlike power to do what the Christians of Asia and Africa had failed to do – that is, to beat back the Moslem invader.
– Theodore “Teddy” Roosevelt
26th President of the United States
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John Butler says
Oh dear, here we go again…..5:32 being under quoted yet again to delude. Check out the first sentence of 5:32 and see its real threatening instruction to the Jews.
gravenimage says
+1
souare says
Your first citation is chopped off from the full quote–deliberately truncated to fool the intellectually lazy.
But in case, the whole Qur’an is not much more than a thieving Arab plagiarization of the Torah and Bible by a horde of primitive desert savages. They were so intellectually backward and lazy that they couldn’t even create their own religion. They stole what the Jews and Christians already had without asking for permission.
So any benign suras in the Qur’an does not reflect the primitive and cruel Arab mind. The wicked ones, yes.
overman says
@Nour
‘5:32 is the most ripped-out-of-context verse of the Qur’an in the West. Muslims (and even news organizations) often refer to this verse in order to show that Islam teaches murder is wrong and saving lives is the prescribed action for all people.
But this is absolutely not what this verse says. In fact, it says almost the exact opposite: that Muslims can kill those who are their enemies!
Here is 5:32 in its context, with all words included (emphasis mine):
On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
Salient points:
1 – It explicitly states that this was a commandment to the Children of Israel, i.e. the Jews! This is not a commandment to all people, and it certainly should not be misused as if this is Allah’s command to Muhammad’s people.
2 – Even if this were a command to the Muslims, there’s still an escape clause: “unless it be for murder or spreading mischief in the land.” If someone is “spreading mischief”, he can still be killed.
As if this weren’t obvious enough from the verse itself, the Qur’an further expounds this point in the very next verse. 5:33 says:
The punishment of those who wage war against God and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter.
This verse is referring to the Muslims, not the Jews anymore, as we can tell in the shift from past tense to present tense. And here, the punishment for mischief is clearly prescribed: execution, crucifixion, mutilation, or at the least, exile. This is the command given to the Muslims. Quite clearly, it does not teach what the Muslims proclaim it teaches; in fact, it teaches almost the exact opposite.
It is undeniably clear that, in order to make Islam seem peaceful, Muslims rip this verse out of its context, take words out of the very verse itself, changing the entire message for something else. I wonder if they know they are guilty of Surah 5:13. In any case, we should not let ourselves (or anyone who might be interested) be deceived by the popular Muslim interpretation of these verses”
Cicero says
Bingo ! Game , set and match!
gravenimage says
Nour wrote:
The Quran says: “And whoever saves a soul – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely” (5:32)
………………………………
As others have already pointed out, this is a threat to *Jews* for supposedly not living up to their own values–as 5:32-33 make clear, this has nothing to do with Muslims.
More:
The Prophet Muhammad said: ““Feed the hungry and visit a sick person, and free the captive, if he be unjustly confined. Assist any person oppressed whether Muslim or non-Muslim.”
………………………………
There are two Hadith that have similar text to that above–Sahih al-Bukhari 3046 Book 56, Hadith 252 and Sahih al-Bukhari 5649 Book 75, Hadith 9.
*Neither* of them includes the referrence to this appying to non-Muslims.
More:
Verse 49:13 of the Quran reads: “O mankind, indeed, We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another.”
The verse invites intercultural and interfaith understanding and cooperation, stating that gender, tribal and national differences are divinely ordained.
There are dozens of other verses in the Quran reiterating this point. The idea of “knowing one another,” the best English translation of the word taarafu, refers to activity that is reciprocal and ongoing.
Indeed, from an Islamic perspective, the definition of “parent,” “neighbour” and “people” includes both Muslims and non-Muslims, with diversity and inclusion as key Islamic principles.
………………………………
And Qur’an 49:15 castigates Muslims who do not fight in the way of Allah–i.e., wage violent Jihad against the unbelievers. Hardly a call for brotherly love, as Nour pretends.
In fact, this migrant very much acted *against* the diktats of Islam in saving this child. I’m glad that he was better than his ugly creed.
SAE says
Kumbaya Nour. Guess the typical muslims skipped write over those few verses and focused on the predominantly evil and barbaric ones. Also, when all other explanations fail there’s always taqiyya.
FYI says
Thank you Nour
But we can see where your Noor,your “light” comes from.
Koran 5:32
This is an example of the islamic dissembling trick of..KITMAN:
“Lying by omission” or “bearing False witness” as some might call it(namely God in His commandments but curiously not allah)
Ask the muslim to tell you the NEXT LINE. koran 5:33:it completely contradicts koran 5:32!
And of course let us remember that muhammed, the most incredibly perfect man that ever lived {the al insan al kamil},beautifully revealed his true nature as being AGAINST GOD..by admitting himself to be a false prophet and an enemy of God.
“I have fabricated things AGAINST GOD and imputed to him things he has not spoken”
al tabari 6:111
You see muhammed{sbuh},by his own admission,ADMITTED to being a deceiver,just as allah does in his “holy” koran k3:54
To fabricate things against God,to impute things to him he has not spoken:that is precisely what a FALSE PROPHET does and the “holy” koran is the result ,where “allah” pretends to be God but reveals himself to be false with his commandment-violating commands and theological errors{which muslims are unable to understand alas}
As well as being a mass-murderer{Abu Dawud 4390}Seller of black people into slavery{sahih muslim3901}…he also proudly boasted of being …a TERRORIST{ bukhari 4:52:220}
Not a commandment-of-God obeyed in his evil life of self-indulgent sinfulness!
As for islamic respect for other cultures?Nope.
“take not the Jews and Christians for friends”
koran 5 v51
It seems “alalh” completely missed the 2nd chief commandment didn’t he?..just as muhammed missed..ALL of them in his murderous life of unbridled wickedness and sinful depravity.What a shame that neither “allah” nor the “prophet” muhammed understand or show much evidence of “taarafu”:but then allah has no concept of the 2 chief commandments which of course are completely missing in islam/the koran/muslims.
allah,the god of hate and violence.
Pet Charles says
That guy would have been held as a slave by Libyan Arab Muslims. These Islamic hypocrites kill me (pun intended).
souare says
Yes, abeed and black are used interchangeably in the primitive Arab Muslim areas of North Africa and West Asia.
Tom says
This individual act of bravery must be rewarded and rightly so. Perhaps this one act will show muslims that IF they do acts of kindness instead of always making demands that create tension and division, then perhaps we may look at them in a different light.
What we have experienced so far, except for this one heroic blip, is that those in Islam cannot be trusted and will strike at us through our most vulnerable and unexpected avenues at every opportunity.
Reward this one fellow for his selfless act of bravery, but remember the many innocents who have been cut down simply because they were not followers of Islam.
One act does not change that.
Cicero says
Or to put it another way – one swallow does not a spring make.
One act of kindness by a Muslim does cancel out their sacred doctrine of hatred
Leon Degney says
I hate to say it but I’m skeptical of this. How is a four years old toddler strong enough to support themselves by one hand, albeit for the short period he/she did. The person closest could have pulled the kid to “safety” earlier but seemed to be waiting for the arrival of the child’s *saviour*. I’m willing to bet there was a harness being covered by the clothes. We weren’t shown the child after the *rescue* she/he was conveniently placed out of sight. Sorry, but I definitely think this was a set up.
SAE says
Agree
dsinc says
Definitely a setup soon to be repeated.
JawsV says
Agree, Leon. Also, the kid appears to be more a baby than a child. I’m skeptical as heck of this Moslem heroics.
Ashley says
I viewed the clip several times. The neighbor clearly had a grip on the child’s arm and appears to “wait” for Gassama to swoop in and make the rescue. There appears to be a partition between the neighbor and child but I *think* the neighbor could have easily hoisted that child to safety without “Spiderman.”
To my untrained eye, the rescue appears staged. If the child fell to his/her death, Gassama would still be hailed as a hero for his efforts.
Just glad the kid is okay.
dan christensen says
Ashley is right about the neighbor. It is indeed strange that the neighbor waited so long.
One may assume that he had a firm grip, but out of courtesy he let ‘spider-man’ finalize the rescue.
After all, ‘spider-man’ had worked hard to get up, risking his own life.
What does this neighbor say about the whole incident?
Lebel says
This is explained here in great detail with the video stills, just use google translate:
http://www.leparisien.fr/societe/exploit-de-mamoudou-gassama-une-video-et-des-intox-28-05-2018-7740252.php
1. The neighbor appears approx when the young man reaches the second floor
2. He tries a rescue but is blocked by a fence between the two balconies
3. Father left his kid alone, regrets it.
Ecosse1314 says
We can watch the video..not maybe doctored photies. But hey keep on trolling
Lebel says
Got it, well done on figuring out they were doctored, you just kicked my ass.
Sentinel says
I can’t help but agree. I couldn’t support my own weight for that long let alone a young toddler who wouldn’t even understand the consequences of letting go. It isn’t so much the super powers of the rescuer that need to be praised but the ability of the child/baby to keep a grip for so long. The way its legs were flailing about, obviously putting more strain on its grip, you have to wonder if it was put and held there unwillingly. The adult standing by the child could easily have pulled it in.
Lebel says
There is a fence from where the kid was hanging on to. Look at the pictures from leparisien
http://www.leparisien.fr/societe/exploit-de-mamoudou-gassama-une-video-et-des-intox-28-05-2018-7740252.php
Incidentally Leparisien is a well known newspaper in France
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Parisien
Its not some Romanian blog (see thread about car attack in Munster) but it’s not bad
Save Europe says
A well known paper does not guarantee honest journalism. In my country you’d be a Guardian reader and a hater of the Express. Both are well known! Does that mean you’d listen to the latter? I don’t think so! You really are not very sharp!
Guy Jones says
Great — one life saved by a Muslim.
How many millions of innocents have been killed by Muslims since Islam’s founding, 1,400 years ago? How many rapes, murders, tortures, thefts and desecrations of holy places?
I’d submit that the Muslim road to atonement for that ideology’s incalculable history of barbarism runs on to infinity.
Lebel says
Yes, one life in 1400 years…
This is what the average jihadwatcher thinks. I guess you’re one of the more intelligent ones since you did not play the conspiracy card.
Guy Jones says
Please — be so generous and kind as to enlighten us — provide a succinct summation of lives saved by Islamic invention, goodwill and benevolence, versus lives taken by Muslims in conquests, sieges, pogroms and other assorted acts of barbarism, from 600 AD into the present era.
We are all destitute because you refuse to share your sagacity with us, on the esoteric subject of Islamic benevolence and peacefulness, throughout history.
Now, back to reality — you’re an infantile and ignorant Leftist rube. But, at least you’re consistent, in keeping with your brethren’s idiocy — they’ve been generating apologies and rationales for every totalitarian ideology under the Sun, for the past two centuries.
Lebel says
Found another one! that’s two in 1400 years!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/muslim-surgeon-stab-neck-mosque-nasser-kurdy-manchester-attack-racist-hate-crime-forgive-altrincham-a7966221.html
Of course it could be…Taqqiya, which would leave me with only one.
Lebel says
Speaking of conquest, here is a map of places the British never invaded:
http://www.humanosphere.org/basics/2013/08/map-of-the-day-where-the-brits-never-invaded/
Out of nearly 200 countries, the brits invaded all but 22. Once could be forgiven for thinking they had secretly converted to Islam with all that killing, pillaging and raping. Oh wait, did you think it was different when the good guys went about conquering? sorry to bust your bubble, welcome to the real world.
JawsV says
No one ever said Britain didn’t invade and conquer. But, Geo W Bush called Islam “peaceful” which is a total lie as Islamic history is the Jihad. The Arabs/Moors/Turks killed, plundered, raped. On a much more barbaric scale than the Brits ever did. That’s the real world about Islam. Utter barbarism. Same as today.
gravenimage says
There were individual Nazis who did decent things as well.
How does this negate the estimated 270 million murdered by Muslims?
souare says
Mr. Gessama is most likely a Muslim in name only. Mosque on Fridays and prayers during the day but not much more. If a Hindu or Buddhist had done the same that be seen as some vindication of Hinduism or Buddhism?
A few weeks ago, a young black man saved some lives in a Nashville Waffle House. He was Christian too. Did the International Media go crazy about the virtues of Christianity? No!
Save Europe says
Correct ??
SAE says
Good point square! But then Christians do good most all of the time -all around the globe, that’s why muslims hate them so much. It’s akin to comparing light to darkness. Spoiler alert, the light wins in the end. Thank God. Blessed be His Holy Name.
Lebel says
“Finally, many people have suggested that the whole thing is staged, pointing out that there is a man standing within inches of the child.”
Conspiracy introduced, very important to do for this crowd who are fed selected stories on a daily basis. It’s unlikely that RS is stupid enough that there is a conspiracy but he knows his chickens…
Now they can tell themselves, “it’s probably all staged by the same Media which protects Muslims and lies to us about jihad”
Ecosse1314 says
And you know this how???. You are just as guilty of what you are accusing other people. You are worse …you are a constant apologist for Islam but never state clearly what your own beliefs are.
Lebel says
Why would you believe me if I did? it would simply be more taqqiya right?
Ecosse1314 says
You come on here with your snide wee comments but make no defence of Islam other than implying we are all haters.
Prove us wrong show us how we misunderstand the beauty the majesty the justice and the mercy of Islam…..but you won’t.
Save Europe says
Crikey! You’re as tedious as Ibrahim Itace Koranderthal! Perhaps you should both date – you have much in common!!!
gravenimage says
Lebel *always* does this–demands that we ignore Muslims raping and murdering us. This is his only purpose here.
SAE says
Right.
Ashley says
Lebel,
Before I posted my suspicions that this was staged I found this:
Gassama was accompanied to the palace by his brother Diaby. Asked if he had anything to say to the president, Gassama seemed overwhelmed, so Diaby replied: “We want to be officialised. We have no papers but we want them so we can work in good conditions and we need homes.”
Diaby said his brother was living in temporary housing. “It’s a bad situation but we live with it. We will take the opportunity to ask [the president] for this.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/28/spider-man-of-paris-to-get-french-citizenship-after-rescuing-child
I’ve never known a hero (or his brother) to request special accommodations for an act of bravery.
Lebel says
His brother wants to ask the President if they can stay in France. Does not seem evil to me.
Father has been separated from child, he does not seem aware that there is a conspiracy. Police don’t seem aware. Only internet hate sites are now relaying this for obvious reasons: its a POSITIVE story about otherwise EVIL muslims.
Save Europe says
They both broke the law, sadly. As a Limey if I went to Mali, Angola, Argentina, Canada, Russia etc illegally, I’d expect to get arrested and then correctly deported. Oooooh but he’s African and a Muslim!!! Different laws should apply here !!!!
SAE says
Perhaps father and child are separated because the daughter’s with some of her male relatives getting her genitals exposed and mutilated while her mother holds her down. Such family unity. I don’t think Brits did anything similar to that in any of their conquests. Too civilized.
Lebel says
RS is also taking advantage of the fact that his audience does not bother to do their own research. Here is the info from the right-leaning Figaro:
http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2018/05/28/01016-20180528ARTFIG00030-mamadou-gassama-le-sauveur-de-l-enfant-suspendu-a-un-balcon-a-paris-recu-a-l-elysee.php
Google translation:
“Shortly after the incident, the child’s father, born in 1981 and without a criminal record, was taken into custody for leaving his child unattended, according to a judicial source. He was to be brought to the Paris court Sunday in the evening for prosecution. The child was placed in a reception facility. His mother was not in Paris at the time of the facts”
For the more “enthusiastic” jihadwatchers, did would then be an even greater conspiracy since they appear to have framed the father in order to construct an Islam-positive story.
Is there anything they can’t do?
Ecosse1314 says
Still waiting for your reply.
Lebel says
Replying to what? Islam is not evil and you disagree. Anything else.
Ecosse1314 says
Tell us all why it is not evil.Tell us all the peaceful verses you say there are. Tell us all why ISIS have hijacked this pure religion. Say something positive rather than sniping on the sidelines.
Ashley says
Lebel writes: “Islam is not evil and you disagree.”
Are you serious, Lebel?
Ecosse1314 says
He won’t reply. It is out of his comfort zone. He would rather come on here and pick up on minor points. He hasn’t got the balls to discuss child marriage FGM abrogation apostasy etc. In reality he is a coward.
JawsV says
Yes, Islam is evil. Period. End of story.
Save Europe says
Prove it isn’t an evil ideology, please! How many killed by Muslims since Islam came to fruition?!?! Yep, over 230 million! That’s even more than Communism. Oh but they kill other Muslims as well!!!! Yep, and what’s the common denominator? Answer – Islam.
gravenimage says
Lebel wrote:
Islam is not evil and you disagree…
……………………..
Islam is not evil? That means that the appalling Lebel has no problem with Muslim having sex with little girls, robbing Infidels and enslaving them, raping women and keeping them as sex slaves, and mass slaughtering unbelievers. *Ugh*.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!! says
Chapeau! Amazing performance! We see here the good that is within each living soul.
It proves man has a choice between evil and good, even when it means risking his own life. And even so when you’re a muslim.
ludovico says
And if “Spider-man” was _________ [fill in the blank with non-Islam religion] would the headlines read “Catholic saves child” or “Anglican saves child?” Clearly not, since such appellation would not serve to further a leftist agenda.
gravenimage says
Good point.
Mark Swan says
Absolutely ludovico
SAE says
…….Catholics, Lutherans, etc. save lives all the time. In this case, a Muslim saving someone…that IS THE STORY, if it’s true. Can’t always trust the media & this story’s
a doozy.
WPM says
It is like a man bites dog story ,or person out of a plane at 5000 feet over the ocean and is rescued ,because it is different it is news worthy.
Logic&Reason says
Heroic indeed.
But the people who propagandize 1 kind act as being the true Islam are the same people who deny that over 33,000 Islamic jihad attacks worldwide since 9/11 have ANYTHING to do with the true Islam.
33,000 to 1. Hmmm….no wonder they’re so easily duped into giving up freedom of speech.
Ashley says
+1
Raja says
This may be fake or realm or the immigrant may have been good or bad but the fact remains that they all hate ANYTHING not Muslim. The same CANNOT be told about any other ethnicity or follower of any other belief system.
Raja says
This reminds me of a somewhat similar story wherein a Muslim juvenile was turned in to police for stealing by his Muslima mother in India. The leftist politicians applauded the good deed of the mother and suggested some national national bravery award.
But thank God some oppositon politicians quiestioned that suggestion as it was only expected of her to do and it was shelved. The Muslim vote bank can be very nasty and sucidal for any country.
The French seem to be lot more stupid in the present scenariao.
Rolf Wittwer says
Something about this whole “new” story (during Ramadan::) seems to be somehow “fishy”.
Some important questions will of course be unanswered…
It reminds me to that story with the little dead boy on a turkish beach.
Later on, the truth of it, did sound quiet different, but most people did not recognize it anymore…
And this is the way, governments trying to manipulate common peoples judgements.
If that story is real and true, than it’s ok, but should not be used as a weapon against us “infidels”!.
Especially during Ramadan-Season, which is inciting many unpleasant things by many of its members…
Ashley says
The very fact that this “dramatic” rescue has gone viral and is trending on all the news outlets only underscores the rarity that a Muslim migrant would risk life and limb to save a child dangling from a balcony in Paris.
I maintain this appears staged. I’ve seen other clips, including the one Lebel posted above, and these have only confirmed my suspicions that this was an orchestrated stunt. There appears to be ample room for the neighbor to have safely hoisted the child to safety in the videos I’ve viewed.
REAL heroes risk taking a bullet or knife to stop a shooting, a violent altercation, a suicide, etc. It happens EVERY DAY. Genuine heroes are generally humble about their selfless acts.
But this story is as unique as a two-headed unicorn taking flight on silver gossamer wings and thus deserves top billing.
Spiderman has been granted the keys to Paris…citizenship, housing, employment, and even a nifty medal and certificate.
Lebel says
Not at all, these stories happen everyday but they’re not all recorded and few are as sngular.
The fact that you believe this is somehow staged shows the effects of jihadwatch on otherwise healthy brains.
gravenimage says
Can Lebel really back up his claim that Muslims are rescuing Infidel babies everyday? Somehow I very much doubt it…
Lebel says
If this was staged, why have a neighbour there? why not keep the other flats empty?
going through all that trouble to stage a conspiracy like this one involving quite a few people and adding some neighbor right next to the kid?
Seriously, do you not see that you can make a similar case for terrorist attacks as well? You scoff at conspiracy theories from the Middle East but you’re doing the exact same thing.
Ashley says
I strongly disagree, Lebel.
The video clip YOU posted was most revealing. There was far more clearance between the partition than I thought from the clip linked on Robert’s post.
I agree with you that not ALL suspect transgressions lead to Islamic roots. That said, the videos I’ve viewed regarding THIS incident are highly questionable.
I’m not fickle on the matter. I’m objective. In my eyes that child dangled unnecessarily for several seconds when the neighbor could have plucked him from a potential fatal fall. Now Diaby and Mamoudou Gassama see fit to exploit Mamoudou’s efforts to their advantage…
Please review the video you posted. Do you not see what I see?
JawsV says
“Spiderman has been granted the keys to Paris…citizenship, housing, employment, and even a nifty medal and certificate.”
Now he can start planning Jihad, the highest calling in Islam for Muslim males.
souare says
Yet, it’s hard to find complaints against the corrupt governments of Africa for not urgently seeking solutions to unemployment and very devalued currencies so that their citizens don’t take the huge risks of crossing the Sahara into Europe across the Mediterranean or being enslaved by Arabs in Libya.
Just very unfortunate that Africans are seen as people without agency.
JawsV says
souare, the Muslims and Moors have been crossing the Mediterranean into Europe since the 8th century (Arab/Moor invasion of Spain, 711). It’s not a recent phenomenon. The goal is Jihad, to conquer the Dar al Harb for Dar al Islam. That hasn’t changed. Very little to do with unemployment and devalued currency. In fact they get into Europe and go right on the dole. They’re not going to work for the kuffar! Rather, they’ll let the kuffar support them.
JawsV says
Oh, a Mohammedan from Mali behaved like a decent human so France you can let yourself become Islamic! Enjoy!
Ashley says
Yep.
If it was a French national that attempted to scale the four stories to rescue this child this would not have made the news.
And even that scenario wouldn’t explain why the child wasn’t plucked from the balcony by the neighbor before Spiderman swooped in to save the day.
Illegal migrants take note: Do a good deed and you, too, will be granted an invitation to become a French citizen.
Lebel says
In a way, you are somehow right Ashley and you just reminded of another “similar” story because it also involved a Malian migrant.
Terrorist attack on the hypercasher in Paris – “Lassana Bathily, 24, a Muslim shop assistant originally from Mali, in west Africa, was praised for risking his own life to save those led to safety.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/10/paris-supermarket-kosher-hero-attack
I think he got his papers as well. I dont know why this is a big deal to you but for the French it’s a way of saying, you’re one of us because you risked your life for us.
For jihadwatchers it’s just one huge conspiracy.
JawsV says
“For jihadwatchers it’s just one huge conspiracy.”
The 7th century Arab conspiracy called Islam, a fraudulent religion.
gravenimage says
Note that here Lebel actually had to cite a Jihad terror attack to show us that Muslims are not a threat…
SAE says
We’re called jihadwatchers by Lebel. Isn’t that like the pot calling the kettle black? What distinguishes us from Lebel ….other than facts and common sense?
Ashley says
To Lebel:
You can’t have it both ways, friend.
There are discerning minds on this forum…each unique, including your own. You make broad “win-win” accusations…if it isn’t named jihad, there is a government/media conspiracy brewing…fueled here at JW.
You claim to believe Islam isn’t evil. I’m dumbfounded by this admission. I truly am. I thought you were merely being provocative and controversial for the sake of being provocative and controversial. You have read the Quran, correct? FGM, beheadings, honor killings, sharia, pedophilia, polygamy, death to gays and infidels, the low status of women, ISIS, etc…
Robert Spencer didn’t make up this shit to trot out his forum. We are not Robert’s sock-puppets, his minions. He sounded out an alarm years ago and risks his own life to have done so.
Can you look in the mirror and say the same?
I have some issues here, Lebel.
Lebel says
I believe that Islam isn’t evil in the same way that I believe that Judaism isn’t evil.
That does not mean that I think stoning people has its place today. But I don’t consider it evil. Neither do jews or believing Christians btw or they would be saying that their God is also evil since he came up with this punishment. I think historically Muslims states have behaved in exactly the same way as any empire and in line with the military standards of the day. I am talking about an objective view of history, not some nonsense about 270 Million victims of jihad in world numbering 600 Million.
If I believed Islam was truly evil, I would be much harsher than you on Islam and Muslims.
DragarOz says
I agree with you on one thing Lebel, that Islamic followers and Islam itself are hundreds of years behind the west on enlightenment and how to treat each other. It needs reform, and soon!
and BTW, going back a few hundred years to when witches were burned at the stake and disabled children killed at birth by Christians, I would and do say that Christianity was evil at that point when put against the measuring stick of our current society.
It was not the Christians that were evil, but the faith itself, it reformed. (still has evil embedded in my opinion, c’mon 1/4 of priests!! sheesh!)
Just like now I do not believe all Muslims are evil, but I do believe Islam itself is. Reform it and lets see in a hundred years or so.
It is the teachings that are the issue. and the power it provides to the clergy.
Political and Religious dogma will be the end of our current age, when cleansed a new age will dawn. hows that for a prophecy, maybe I will be seen as the perfect man in a few hundred years, haha.
Religion is the predictable weak minded response to the overwhelming complexities of the universe!
Ashley says
Save Europe…
I noted the same:
“That does not mean that I think stoning people has its place today. But I don’t consider it evil.”
WTF, Lebel?
SAE says
DragarOz, 25% of priests, sheeesh? What are you stating and where are your stats?
DragarOz says
The Australian Govt. is conducting the largest inquest into historical child sexual abuse within the church ever held in the world ,apparently.
Estimates out of that is that it would appear that up to a quarter of the priests are or have been involved in some way, including cover ups.
Sickening.
And that is not looking at the orphanages or the nuns that ran them back in the day.
That is the Catholic church, we also need a royal commission into Islam, but not now, as the time is not right and the rose colored glasses are on. But it will happen, when the time is right.
There will be a reckoning, there always is.
dan christensen says
The human brain simply do not understand the concept of ‘infinity’. Our brains are still insufficiently mature. Only mathmaticians can, in a limited way, deal with infinity.
So religion is the method by which common man tries to grasp infinity in general; by reducing infinity to something comprehensible.
DragarOz says
Well said.
If only religion did not hold the human brain back from maturing so as to better understand.
conundrum that is called.
Save Europe says
That does not mean that I think stoning people has its place today. But I don’t consider it evil.
********
Would you like to re-read what you just wrote????
I’m flabbergasted by the pure stupidity and evil in YOUR mind. You’re crazy, frankly.
Chand says
I think Lebel meant Judaism by ‘it’ in “That does not mean that I think stoning people has its place today. But I don’t consider it evil”.
gravenimage says
Lebel is hoping that we don’t know that Muhammed is considered a model *for all time*, and that the same is true of the Qur’an.
That means that he is fine with all the horrors of Islam, including pedophilia, piracy, rape, slavery, and mass slaughter.
Save Europe says
Can we confirm it is a ‘he?’ This is nothing against women, per se, whatsoever, but I interpret it (Lebel), as being a Muslimah, just by the way it writes. It has this Stockholm Syndrome in terms of how it writes.
gravenimage says
Save Europe, it is true that I do not know what gender the foul Muslim apologist for savagery Lebel is for certain. I doubt it much matters.
Lebel says
“You make broad “win-win” accusations…if it isn’t named jihad, there is a government/media conspiracy brewing…fueled here at JW.”
This above all else should be clear to you by now. You have seen what happens after incidents, it’s either jihad or there’s a conspiracy to hide the jihad. There is never, I was wrong, it’s not fucking jihad. That’s what win-win is.
Save Europe says
Verbal diarrhoea.
Lebel says
By the way, were you not accused of Taqqiya recently? Did you not draw some conclusions from that? As in these people are batshit crazy?
This is the same basic conspiracy nonsense which produced the “Obama is a secret Muslim who will introduce shariah law”. You know who pushed that for 8 years? Pamela Geller. You know who her biggest ally is? Robert Spencer.
gravenimage says
Lebel is now sayhing that people wjo oppose the horrors of Jihad and Shari’ah are “batshit crazy”. *Ugh*.
VRWC member77 says
Sheesh Lebel, Ashley appears to strike quite a nerve within that “soul” of yours.
Following your lead style and staying on topic, I was wondering if you could answer a couple of things:
1) I was once asked if I thought Jesus was black. I replied that it really didn’t matter if he was or not. What was important, was his teachings. Do you think Jesus could have been black?
2) Would you have a problem with a Jewish Spiderman whose popularity eclipsed a muslim spiderman?
Lebel says
1. No I don’t think he could have been black. I think he was Jewish.
2. Jewish spiderman is fine by me
SAE says
But who do you say He is Lebel? Just a prophet or the Son of God?
Was He crucified and resurrected?
gravenimage says
Actually, there are Black Jews–Ethiopean Jews.
But Jesus was probably not Black, since he lived in the Levant.
shoehorn says
*staged*
Malian male with cat-burglar skills does what the fellow aleady on the balcony could have done.
Lebel says
Latest news is that this taqqiya Muslim who staged everything with his accomplices in the French media and police (police investigators found no evidence of conspiracy which means they are part of it) will join the fire brigade.
well played, Muslim, now he will be saving lives for a living but we know what his “real” intentions are.
gravenimage says
More sneering from Lebel. We are to ignore all the rapes and murders from Muslom migrants because of this one incident–and if you don’t, you are an “Islamophobe”…
It is lovely that Mamoudou Gassama violated the diktats of Islam and did something decent. This changes *nothing* about Islam and those who follow it, though.
Save Europe says
Why don’t you come to my country and EXPLAIN to the Quilliam Foundation – a Muslim think- tank – how over 85 percent of underage rape gangs are Pakistani Muslim!!!! They said themselves – it is both racially and religiously motivated behaviour!!! You are sick!
SAE says
Let’s just hope they don’t give him the keys to the fire truck.
Chand says
Good and logical arguments and posts from you, Lebel, with some nice dark humor occasionally.
Religious scriptures can have various interpretations and has to be read in context. And they can be interpreted for violent political purposes, of course. So too with Islam. As a set of rituals and theologies, no religion ‘teaches’ violence although the Old Testament and The Koran narrates violent events and stories of their times. In fact one interpretation of the Koran and the Hadith is that not only do they not teach violence but actually they teach resisting and ending violence.
souare says
Just 2 random examples: The RAPE CAPTIVE surah: 4:24 and the Violent Verse of the Sword: 9:5.
All murder and killings to justify Dar al-Harb.
gravenimage says
What crap from Chand. The Qur’an and the savage model of the “Prophet” are considered the ideal for all time. And the Qur’an does not just describe what happened–it does indeed teach Muslims that they have to wage violent Jihad, even if they don’t want to.
This *is* teaching violence. His pretending it does not is simply dishonest.
Save Europe says
I found the entire performance all very….strange, frankly. So the French next door neighbour has hold of the kid, but cannot throw him into a safe place on the balcony?!?!?! Hmmmmm……?!!?! But oh yes, as Macron said only a fortnight ago, the future of Europe is entwined with Africa. What a coincidence.
mgoldberg says
If he is a courageous fellow, with athletic skill and bravery so much the better.
The point is, is we can speak and talk of such qualities and characteristics, then certainly the
other is just as obvious: we need to speak and talk of the qualities and characteristics of homcidism
and serial murdering.
If the bravery of a man is due to anything other than his qualities fine- let’s speak and discuss.
If the homcidism of the jihadist, and the supporters allow them to homicide immense numbers of people,
and even their own, then certainly, let’s discuss all that and shine a little light on the issues.
That is freedom, and free speech and using our ideas and words to acomplish some understanding of right and wrong, of bravery versus cowardice.
For instance: if a community or nation says they wish to arrest anyone who breaks their daytime Ramadan fasting dictates ( including non muslms) then we need to discuss why that isn’t piusness but
tyranny. As opposed to the fasts of other faiths where we would certainly discuss the idea of punishing those who didn’t follow by the religions adherents.
Any, if that fellow was heroic, alpha brave and athletic, so much the better. Now…. how many muslims and non muslims have been killed by other muslims in the 11 days of this years Ramadan….. it is utterly
shameless and never discussed except as a hushed, silenced whispering. And that is not brave nor selfless.
Ashley says
Slightly OT.
A few years ago there was a raging fire at a residence in Dorchester, MA. A bystander waiting for his bus saw the inferno, but had no cell phone. He saw a ladder at a nearby construction site, lugged it over, and screeched to those in the house to climb down the ladder.
He saved 19 lives in the duplex.
To this day the Dorchester Fire Department doesn’t know who this man is/was.
SAE says
With respect to courage, Tommy Robinson is the guy. May he be released from his unjust captivity and live to see the end of this globalist insanity. Diversity is not our strength, nor will it ever be. It is our weakness. Jihadwatchers expose that ugly lie and that’s what Lebel really detests.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Dear Nour,
Your comment cites three quotations. Two of them are from the Quran (5:32 and 49:13), but for the third quotation — The Prophet Muhammad said: “Feed the hungry and visit a sick person, and free the captive, if he be unjustly confined. Assist any person oppressed whether Muslim or non-Muslim.” — you give no citation. Where did you find this third quote? I ask this because you seem to be spreading the heresy that Muslims and kafirs should be treated equally, contrary to the instruction in Quran 48:29 that Muslims should be “hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves.”
Moreover, it is hard to think that any morally serious person would follow the Jewish moral precept in Quran 5:32 that “whoever kills a soul … – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely.”
Islam teaches that an account of good deeds (hasanaat) is kept for each person, and credits known as qiraats are deposited in or deducted from this account, whose balance upon your death determines whether you go to heaven or hell. For example, “Islam forbids Muslims to keep dogs, and the punishment for that is that the one who does that loses one or two qiraats from his hasanaat (good deeds) each day.” Source:
https://islamqa.info/en/69840
According to this doctrine, saving one life gives you the same number of credits as saving all 7 billion people on earth, so there’s no incentive to save more than one life, even if you can easily do so. And conversely, if you shoot the counter clerk dead when you rob a liquor store, you may as well gun down all the witnesses in the store, because in either case the same number of qiraats are deducted from your hasanaat account.
Chand says
Why is this news on this site? It is not about Jihad in any way. So calling it a staged event just to malign Muslims and that too one who has been honored for his selfless courage is hitting below the belt. Stop this pathetic technique, Robert Spencer.
JawsV says
Chand, I think you need to can it. Your comment is completely wrong. First, JW contains news concerning all types of Muslim events, not just Jihad. Second, where did RS call this a “staged event?” And if he did, it’s because he believes it to be the case, not just to “malign Muslims.” Personally, I do think it’s a staged event. There’s no “hitting below the belt.” How’d you come up with that? There’s no “pathetic technique” from Spencer. What the heck’s wrong with you???
gravenimage says
Robert Spencer never said this incident was staged.
No surprise that the appalling apologist for Islamic savagery Chand is lying again.
FYI says
Macron should rename himself.He once said he would “rule like a roman god”.
He was thinking Jupiter:but more realistically,he should emulate the god magnus stercus{aka Crappus}.
Or given his delusions of grandeur,perhaps he should crown himself..Emperor Napoleon IV
gravenimage says
Thumbs up for the obscure mythological reference! There’s also Cloacina, goddess of sewers…
No Muzzies Here says
In this case, the media is eager to repeat the word “Muslim” as much as it possibly can. When there’s a terror attack, the media can’t seen to remember the word, however.
JawsV says
That’s so true!
Gjallarhornet says
Islam is bad, on that we can agree. However, there is nothing here that would suggest the video is staged. It isn’t me thinks. How the heck would anybody be able to trick a four year old into that position?
Once again – islam is bad. But muslims are like the rest of us when they have to act in a split second to save somebody : all instinct and no religious dogma. The guy just acted humanly and did a good deed. All this just goes to show, that if islam is brushed aside, we are left with just the humanity in the people. So brush islam aside then. 🙂
UNCLE VLADDI says
What a mindless, feel-good liberal tautology.
The video was obviously staged.
Ashley says
UGH!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44289404
gravenimage says
Horrible, Ashley. These are the kinds of stories one usually hears about Muslims in Europe.
Politicianophobia says
STAGED——-What did Shakespeare say, “What fools these mortals be!” The press wanted a good Muslim story.
Kearn Schemm says
When I saw this in the news, the first thing I thought was that this is a set-up. The child appears to be standing so some sort of wire, is above a balcony only a few feetbelow him. Another mab is right next to the child, on a balcony and almost appears to be holding the child. I’d love to see footage from another angle. I am very suspicious.
JOHN says
Something really odd about this, on so many levels, leads me to believe that this was staged for propaganda purpose. In addition to the questions and observations raised in the previous posts, there is the other factors of his skin colour, he is a Moslem and the possibility this was staged to offset the crime and terror Moslem’s have committed in France recently. The dumb Libtards will fall all over this but it sounds like a grand Taqqiya publicity stunt to me, I’m not falling for it
TheCrusader says
Now, when i first saw the clip I was wondering all the time why the other guy was not doing anything while he was in gripping range as it seems.
The thought came as well of a staged incident and now he is getting citizenship.
It shows so clearly that they are living among us with no recognition and knowledge of the government [even though they are tuff as nails when we board a plane or drop sausage in front of a mosque or filming in front of a court house full with rapists to name a few].
Of course all could be as it seems to be, but it smells funny nonetheless.
dan christensen says
If you look closely at the kids movement, you can see that he has gained some kind of foothold on some kind of ledge. It is hard to see – but he is not just hanging by his hands all the time.
The other guy at some point got hold of the kids right arm just before the ‘hero’ arrived!
TheCrusader says
Remember the first new Star Trek movie when Kirk as a kid hang over the cliff and it felt weird because it did not look natural HOW it slid and hang there.
When i saw this again it felt like someone or something was holding his right arm.
In the end the kid was saved and then even ripped by the new amazing Spiderman to the OTHER side of the balcony…
I have a bad feeling about this.
Granddaddy says
So one Muslim has a conscience. So one Muslim is not a coward. How does that reflect on the rest of the millions of Muslim migrants/refugees/whatever they want to call themselves, who lie, rape, and murder, in the name of Allah? Mr. Spencer is absolutely right. If this episode demonstrates anything here, it’s that Macron, SOS Racisme, Hidalgo, Griveaux, and anyone else who wants to jump on to the political opportunist bandwagon, either have a very low opinion of the average French voter’s intelligence, or the average French voter really is gullible and ignorant and a fool. I will say one thing in their defense: it’s been my personal observation that most people, not just French politicians, don’t want to bother reasoning through what they see, hear, and read. Most people would rather go with their feelings, even if it contradicts what they’ve been told is true, than to think things through with any semblance to logic. If it makes them feel good (as in this case in France) then it must be good, and if it makes them feel bad, then it must be bad. The logic of children, not adults.
gravenimage says
So true.
UNCLE VLADDI says
Good points! Many if not most people are indeed thought-killing “psycho-paths!”
gravenimage says
+1
Crusades Were Right says
MSM (when jihadists strike): “Don’t judge the entire Muslim community by the actions of a few!”
MSM (when Muslim guy does good): “Let’s judge the ENTIRE Muslim community and ALL Third World migrants, legal and illegal, by the actions of a LONE INDIVIDUAL!”
gravenimage says
Yup.
UNCLE VLADDI says
I call BaalShiite!
“Poor Muhammadou” isn’t a hero (I could have just as easily scaled those balconies when I was his age)!
This was all staged! There was a guy ON the balcony near the toddler, who seemed to be roped to it!
Why didn’t he save the kid? Tired of hearing of these Poor Victims Of Colour!” all the time!!!
Granddaddy says
So not only is the rescue staged, but the political grandstanding was staged also. And the honorary citizenship was all arranged before. That’s something to think about.
Politicianophobia says
Lebel In regards to Obama—Does it not say that if a child is born to a Muslim and a parent of another religion, the child becomes a Muslim?
larry says
Hate to say it, but this sure seems like a set-up to me. I hope I’m wrong. Either way, the guy has some very large cashews.
j_not_a says
Ok, this is the HUGE problem I have with this whole story. If the kid was alone and went out on the balcony, and climbed over the railing, his fall over it and down onto the ground would have been all over in a matter of seconds, like similar incidents I have read about, unfortunately, hundreds of times.
So tell me, how that neighbour next door, would have happened to be, in that very same exactly moment in time right next to that balcony partition and happened to grab that kid’s hand in a split second so as to save him? This really does defy all belief. And the kid just happened to be able in this split second or two in time of falling off the balcony manages to perfectly be able to grab with both hands the balcony railing and hold onto to it with both hands for several minutes.
All the stars and planets aligned in perfect order for the child and the neighbour long enough for the hero spider man to magically a ppear! just in the nick of time to save the kid and voila! save the day! And then! Shazam! When the brother of spiderman is interviewed very soon afterwards what does he want? He is not flummoxed nor does he appear lost for words, no he is very direct and all prepared for his demands – he wants a house, he wants jobs, he wants this he wants that.
This is a better script than anything Hollywood has put out for a very long time! Screw the fire department, these guys should get together with Ron Howard!