Oktoberfest, as the article below explains, dates from at least 1810, while the first mosque wasn’t built in Germany until 1915. So Eren Güvercin is lying, and Deutschlandfunk Kultur is giving him a platform, and Germans ignorant (or ashamed) of their history will eagerly embrace his propaganda, which is, of course, designed to make them complacent about the massive Muslim migrant influx that has given the country skyrocketing rates of rape and other crimes, as well as a massive economic burden. Accepting propaganda and lies about history: an old German tradition.
“Broadcaster: Ramadan an ‘Old German Custom’ Celebrated Longer than Oktoberfest,” by Chris Tomlinson, Breitbart, May 18, 2018:
German radio broadcaster Deutschlandfunk Kultur has claimed that the Islamic holy month of Ramadan is not only an “old German custom” but that it had been celebrated in the country longer than Oktoberfest.
In an article, journalist Eren Güvercin claims that Ramadan is a thoroughly German holiday and that there is no question that Islam belongs to Germany.
Güvercin maintains that the practice is older the Oktoberfest, also known in Bavaria as Wiesn. While he provides no evidence for his assertion, the earliest Wiesn celebrations are thought to have been held on 12 October 1810 to celebrate the marriage of Prince Ludwig, later King Ludwig I, and Princess Therese of Saxony-Hildburghausen.
The oldest mosque in Germany, by contrast, was built in Berlin in 1915 and was discovered by an archaeological team in 2015. The mosque, which was made of wood, was thought to have been intended for Muslim prisoners of war as it was built inside a World War One-era prison camp.
“Fasting in the month of Ramadan has long been part of the German religious landscape. It is a German reality. To break the fast in the evening, many people gather in Germany to eat together and to meet each other,” Güvercin said.
“Islamic religious practice has long since found its home in Germany. And we German Muslims are looking forward to Ramadan in our Germany. Nobody can deny that to us,” he added….
St. Manuel II Palailogos says
Oh my God. What nonsense.
David says
I wonder how much they’re paying him to make such idiotic remarks?
Richard says
Speaking of idiotic remarks, they say this mosque was built in 1915 for Muslim prisoners of war. Turkey was Germany’s alley during World War I, not her enemy! And Turks weren’t very good about taking Arab prisoners. The mosque could, of course, have been built to honor Turks living in Berlin for that reason – but there were precious few Turks in Berlin.
gravenimage says
The 1915 Mosque was, I believe, built at a POW camp, and was torn down afterwards.
J D S says
More stupidity in Germany
Oh by the way…Doesn’t the beer flow freely during Oktoberfest
What are the Muslims going to do let blood flow freely?
Uriah Sheep says
Yep! It’s a certainty that Globalists want Islam to lead the way. The borderless Umma followed by the borderless New World Order of one world government, law and (Islamic) religion.
Linda says
If you believe that, he has some swampland to sell you, too.
Granddaddy says
Next they will be claiming that Hitler was a Muslim. Seriously. They love Hitler. Ach du Allah!
andra says
At least he preferred Islam to Christianity. That is fact. So it might even be that he converted, who knows.
Indiana Tom says
Hitler was a closet Muslim and who know what else?
J D S says
I don’t think that Islam was the only thing Hitler kept in the closet.
David Cameron says
Hitler didn’t prefer Islam. He just welcomed the Muslim invitation to help murder Jews in the Middle East.
gravenimage says
Actually, Hitler did indeed say that he admired Islam and despised Christianity for being “weak and flabby”.
esther says
I was thinking BRUNHILDA. In order to understand the BS—keep in mind that
muslims have convinced themselves that ISLAM and even the Koran was created
with ADAM —and that all people—-way back are REALLY MUSLIM. Alexander,
the famous pedophile, was also a muslim. Of course adolf was a muslim
JawsV says
Such bogus lies. 7th century Islam is a total fraud.
J D S says
Satan is a fraud isn’t he?
somehistory says
There was an article in RD many years ago about hitler. One of the things said about him was that he
would get down on the floor and chew on the carpet. Perhaps he was confused about what his fellow moslims were doing when they put their faces to the carpet.
somehistory says
Probably really really hungry during fasting times.
Some thought it was insanity, or demon possession that caused the carpet chewing. Fits the islam pattern.
J D S says
Heads on the ground and butts in the air
That’s a sign of Muslims at prayer.
Richard says
According to men he worked with, Hitler pulled that temper fit trick to intimidate foreign leaders into doing his bidding. He did not try it with men he felt he couldn’t intimidate. Similarly, every last gesture and expression in his speeches were carefully practiced before a mirror. Hitler’s greatest strength was that his enemies underestimated him.
Granddaddy says
You know, I was exaggerating, but the idea that Hitler might have actually been a closet Muslim isn’t that far out, is it?
Linda says
Apparently Hitler thought the Germans had gone with the wrong faith, (Christianity). He thought Islam was a man’s religion and he preferred it to Christianity.
Richard says
He wanted the Germans to return to the ancient Norse religion. Many intellectual higher-ups in the Nazi party believed this and worked to make it a reality, but the War interfered. This is well-known.
Linda says
He may have wanted to return to the Norse religion, but he also admired Islam and whereas he thought the Jews were dirty, he thought the Arabs were clean people. (Go figure!)
gravenimage says
Hitler looked down on Arinferoiabs as well, as “racially inferior”. But he thought that if Islam had spread across Europe that the Germans would have dominated under a martial creed like Islam.
tim says
The media can definitely steer their view :/
https://www.thelocal.de/20170512/eight-things-to-know-about-islam-in-germany-muslims-religion
Islamqa logic bomb too during forbidden ramadan activites:
https://islamqa.info/en/265975
“I was too weak to resist, and full intercourse took place. To be honest, in the end I deliberately let him finish, hoping that Allah would punish him. My question is, is there any sin on me for this infraction, or is this sin and punishment on my husband only? “
Rarely says
Germans tend to be a serious lot. They need a good laugh every now and then.
It’s a useless exercise he’s engaging in here anyway if it’s intended to justify the recent invasion. When they have finally had enough the Germans won’t care if mohammed sailed off to Heaven in a gilded BMW from atop of the Berlin Opera House.
Ginny says
Deutschlandfunk has gone the way of state propaganda media. Germans faithfully (are forced to) pay for all radio and TV production and content, which are 99.9% one sided for the pro-Islam establishment agenda. Journalists who tell the truth about Islam are not given a voice. In fact they have been fined and threatened with jail and bodily harm. Thank God for the still relatively free internet — and for what remains of common sense!
Janette Wells says
Agree! When enough Germans have had enough the worm will turn!
The German tribes were feared even by the Romans and have always been fearless in battle and have a reutation as excellent fighters. Beware!
Traian imperator says
Eren Guvercin is muslim. Turk.
JawsV says
Which explains his egregious lies.
Mockingjay says
Exactly. He’s just a turk. And an Erdogan-turk, no doubt.
There is no actual German in his right mind who believes or would state this kind of utter bullsh#t.
gravenimage says
Yes–this claim was from a Muslim, not a dhimmi native German.
Ecosse1314 says
So his evidence amounts to this. Germans have always eaten supper.
Rarely says
And sometimes even after sunset.
andra says
Just another lyer in the employment of Allah and globalists. The brainwashing is speeding day by day.
greyhound fancier says
Ramadamadingdong.
If Islam existed forever, did Mohammed the pedophile prophet have to convert?
Indiana Tom says
Well, the whole Nazi movement was just an expression of old German Muslim Customs going back centuries. The Nazis were proud of their old Islamic Heritage.
Keys says
Maybe he talked to Obama about Jefferson’s iftar dinner at the White House, and found this out about the Germans.
If any Christian, Hindu, Atheist, Buddhist, or other non-muslim happens to eat dinner after dark on Rammadam, they are having an iftar dinner, even if they don’t know it, like it or not. If a cannibal in the Amazon rainforest eats a muslim after dark on Rammadam, he’s having iftar dinner.
And any German, Swede, Canadian, Italian, or any human being eats dinner after dark on Rammadam, they are having an iftar dinner, even if they don’t know it, like it or not.
Nonesense, arrogance, and intolerance – all part of Mohammad’s Islam.
Traian imperator says
Norwegians, suede, Finnish people, during summer, from 60 degrees north, had always eating after sunset during rampagedan.
Aaron says
Ok I give up who is the biggest fool
The speaker of the listener
Just asking
Aaron says
Should say
Speaker or the listener
somehistory says
So a molsim has been given a platform to lie to the German public….claiming Germany for moslims…”our Germany”
He claims that the Oktoberfest is not as much a part of Germany as is their unholy month of gorging and slaughter.
During the first year that moslims were invading the country, they were demanding that Oktoberfest be canceled, that drinking be banned….because it offended them…so they went around raping and breaking other laws for their fake god and fake prophet.
He is stating that they can’t be stopped. “Ramadan in our Germany. Nobody can deny that to us,”
Terror always goes with their fake month of ‘fasting’ when they just wait till dark to gorge themselves, but are willing to kill all day and all night if they feel like it.
Sickening lies from a devotee to the beast. What else is new?
JawsV says
What else is new?
How about Merkel has destroyed Germany?
somehistory says
On purpose.
Richard says
It is what happens when a historic event is used to shame people into refusing to defend themselves out of fear of being called racists or whatever. Look at how slavery is being used to get all sorts of perks from this country for people who may or may not have been descended from slaves by taxes taken from people whose ancestors may not have arrived in this country until the 1930s or later – or worse, may have died fighting for the Union to free the slaves. As any mother knows, guilt is the greatest bludgeon anyone can use to beat someone into submission.
Ren says
“German broadcaster claims Ramadan is “old German custom” celebrated in the country longer than Oktoberfest”
Another dumb leftist islam apologist?
JawsV says
No, I believe he’s a Muslim (Turk) re-writing history to suit Islam.
Ren says
Then another dumb muslim re-writing on islam to better deceive the non-muslims.
gravenimage says
True, Jaws. I just hope most Germans resist swallowing this Taqiyya.
WPM says
Germans always had a soft spot to be ruled by supremist beliefs ,Hitler would have made a good Moslem master race, master religion easy swap. Easier to join master religion all you need is to remove all your feeling for compassion, understanding ,logic and put yourself in a never ending rage of victimhood entitlement ,violent sexual emergency ,with a good dose of tribe conflict swimming around your brain .Like taking a strong dose of some crazy drug that always ends in bad judgement and death. Islam the religion that cause serious mental illness .Germany the country that inventor Heroin {Hoffman drug company around 1900} embraces the religion that drives men to lose their moral compass and crash into the rocks of untamed lust and violence to appease a slave master god who would have thunk it!
nicholas tesdorf says
Perhaps the Germans will combine Oktoberfest and Ramadan as Oktdan, these will be the days on which Muslims can get stinking drunk and fear no retribution under Sharia Law.
6woods says
Five years from now (probably less than that), Oktoberfest will be no more, in deference to our new overlords. No more beer, no more wine. No more pork. We’re letting violent crazies determine how we live. Why is that?
Linda says
That’s the $64,000 Question, isn’t it?
JawsV says
I try to figure it out every day. Why? Why in the 21st century are we kowtowing to Islam?
Linda says
So do I. Islam should be relegated to the scrapheap of history. Nobody practises the Inca religion anymore. Maybe we should bring it back, too. They used to make human sacrifices. Today we wouldn’t see that as “barbaric”. It would be “cultural enrichment”.
WPM says
Because we keep electing leaders who say up is down, importing violent unemployable men, who think it is their birth right to rape the native women. Who marry multi wives, rip off the welfare services. Who product hordes of children who they teach to be violent racist bigots who vote for progressive leaders in a block to bring in more violent unemployable men. A cycle for a country to resemble much of the Islamic world.
gravenimage says
Jihadists in Germany have already threatened to target Oktoberfest.
Johm says
No its not and it never was ! You are a fool !
WPM says
Johm
{or whatever you troll tag is}
What are you taking about??
gravenimage says
Johm is not a troll–he is saying that the broadcaster is lying. Why would you disagree?
The broadcaster is not a fool, though–he is a Taqiyya artist.
Terra Nova says
This broadcaster even looks like his heritage was of muslim origine. That is what you get, and that is what you get, muslims in every important place in communities. Not having any skills for at and only out to promote Islam. Like May is probably thinking, my first goal is to get all muslims in high places in the government, I can say, I did everything for them AND for the people, trying to avoid revolution, civil war, etc.
They will find every way out not to get blamed, but they will have enough money nd passports to leave the UK, so no worries for them.
Sickening bunch.
St. Michael Defend Us says
There was indeed fasting in Germany dating back to long ago- BY THE JEWS – who would fast for their holy day, and after sunset, meet with family and close friends and have a little something.
Does he wish to acknowledge this? No?
WPM says
Catholics also fasted on Ash Wednesday and good Friday and gave up things during lent ,I am sure he would knowledge that also? I think what he means {from his website}is during the Crusades the Islamic hordes occupied some areas that were Germany during their invasion .He calls them “settlers” not occupying armies ,so by Islamic logic they were automatic citizens of the old Germany! By that logic the people in Italy are German citizens because Roman had soldiers their 2000 years ago ! I glad he clear that up for us remember any place a Moslem hangs his hat is his country, his town, his house that is Islam magic logic.! What is mine is mine what is your is also mine, land, money , your woman, your children and your life because allah said so, “we are the best of people”.
Owen Morgan says
And isn’t that Cologne Cathedral he is standing in front of? You know: the one right next to the railway station, where all those New Year attacks by muslims on women took place? You’d almost think he was trying to be deliberately provocative, as well as massively mendacious.
gravenimage says
+1
Michael says
Was Orwell never translated into German?
andra says
Yes, he was – and he was taught in school. But I think all Europe took him as an example how to change the world, not as a warning.
gravenimage says
German broadcaster claims Ramadan is “old German custom” celebrated in the country longer than Oktoberfest
…………………….
Just a *baldfaced lie*.
And Oktoberfest’s roots are even older–its ultimate origins are in European harvest festivals, which date back many centuries.