While Western leaders continue to welcome a flood of Muslim migrants into their countries in the name of “diversity” and “inclusion,” in hopes that they will all integrate nicely under the banner of Western democracy, Europe continues to implode. That is because Islam advances supremacist, intolerant and inhumane doctrines.
Imam Seyran Ateş opened the Ibn Rushd-Goethe mosque in Berlin last year; at that mosque, “men and women pray in the same space. Burqas and niqabs are strongly discouraged, headscarves are optional, and women often lead in prayer. LGBT Muslims are welcome and can get even get married at the mosque.”
Because of all that, woe be onto her. She has not been welcomed by the mainstream Islamic groups in Berlin. Instead, she is isolated and needs 16 guards constantly to protect her. All the while, her coreligionists run around screaming “Islamophobia” at any criticism of Islam:
Religious authorities in Turkey and at the Al-Azhar university in Cairo have excoriated her, and virtually every day brings new threats of rape, or murder, or both.
“With her liberal religious interpretations of the Qur’an and the Hadith, Ateş unleashed the anger of millions of Muslims.” Yes, millions, because traditional and normative Islam is supremacist and sanctions jihad.
“16 Guards Are Needed to Protect a German Imam Who Fights for Gender Equality”, by Terry Firma, Patheos (thanks to The Religion of Peace), May 15, 2018:
Berlin-based Imam Seyran Ateş, 55, has had to get used to the hate mail and the death threats.
She hardly cut a popular figure among Germany’s Muslim population before 2017; as a lawyer, she used to represent victims of domestic abuse and other violence perpetrated by her clients’ conservative-Muslim husbands and brothers. Ateş has a scar on her neck from where a would-be murderer’s bullet hit her years ago.
Then, last year, the Istanbul-born feminist really painted a bull’s-eye on herself when she started the Ibn Rushd-Goethe mosque in the German capital. It’s a place of worship where men and women pray in the same space. Burqas and niqabs are strongly discouraged, headscarves are optional, and women often lead in prayer. LGBT Muslims are welcome and can get even get married at the mosque.
The Dutch daily Trouw, which published an interview with Ateş on Friday, reports that she has a security detail of 16 guards. Everywhere she goes, her armed protectors keep an eye on her, scanning the surroundings for Islamist assassins.
With her liberal religious interpretations of the Qur’an and the Hadith, Ateş unleashed the anger of “millions of Muslims,” according to Trouw. Religious authorities in Turkey and at the Al-Azhar university in Cairo have excoriated her, and virtually every day brings new threats of rape, or murder, or both — often from within the free, secular country where Ateş has lived since she was six…..
krishna says
well these is how hard is to pacify and reform islam
you need 16 guards protect to from just open one liberal mosque
then imagine how hard it is to liberalize islam worldwide
Lisa Letto says
This is THE definitive article proving that Islam has not nor will ever, integrate.
Sam says
I did not think you can have female imamThis religion of peace is so confusing. No wonder so much insanity in Muslim cultures.
gravenimage says
You *can’t* have a female Imam. This–along with her views–is why Muslims want to murder Seyran Ateş.
If a Christian woman declared herself a cleric in a denomination that doesn’t have female clergy, it is highly unlikely anyone would try to murder her.
andra says
I am sorry, but I do not trust Ms. Ates, I never did. In her time as a lawyer looking for abused muslim women she was very often very negative about the Germans in Germany who were not welcoming enough to the Muslim migrants.
Some time ago she said that she wanted to move to Georgia but she never did, which I am sorry for.
I wondered why she wanted to go to Georgia which is a Christian country I started asking myself wehter she is part of the female taquiya front. If she really wants to reform Islam she should start in her home country Turkey which had been quite liberal before Erdogan came so that she could work with some liberal roots. But I guess that she only wants to install Islam in Christian countries and not reform Islam. Also her comments referring to Trump sound quite fundamental islamic to me.
Ashley says
Thanks for sharing your insight, andra.
I agree there is something off about this…
Charles says
Right, Andra ! what is also fishy is that no one has mentioned who pays for the sixteen guards. Why, the poor taxpayers, of course!
gravenimage says
Yes–she is still shilling for Islam.
I have also heard her say that what she preaches about equal rights is mainstream Islam, when it is anything but.
I still hope she stays safe from her more orthodox coreligionists, though.
Bev says
The entire ideology of Islam is schizophrenic, kind of like Mo himself.
RichardL says
Seyran Ates is a hard-left woman who is confused just about anything. What she does in that mosque has very little to do with islam. The German taxpayer is funding a weird-ass woman’s islamic ashram. Look at the name of the mosque: what on earth has Johann Wolfgang von Goethe to do with islam?
Michael Copeland says
Perhaps the German taxpayer is funding her bodyguards.
RichardL says
They are MEK, of course they are publicly funded.
WPM says
A female Imam ,that would be like a Rabbi who was a Nazi ,it does not fit into any of the Koran, Sharia law, or Hadiths teachings. Why not have Christians who worship the old Norse gods , or the trees and the sun ?Is she just putting on a show to get more power and money from the dhimmis leaders who now run Northern Europe? Who is paying for the armed guards ?Do others who speak out against Islam get this attention, do Islamics who leave Islam get this kind a attention and protection .Will Pope Frank me with her on his interfaith drive to understand the religion of bits and pieces Islam. Islam the hotdog of religions no one wants to known what is really makes up whats inside the nice tube of pink meat.
andra says
You can be sure that the bodyguards are paid by the German taxpayers. And as far as I remember the whole “mosque” has been paid by German taxpayers.
This “liberal mosque” is just another part of taquiya, nothing else, paid by those who are betrayed.
Michael Copeland says
“Oh, it’s all a matter of interpretation.”
How often have we heard that excuse?
This is how Islam’s adherents react when an individual makes her “interpretation”.
There was a man in Iran who recommended, in Koran studies at his home, that the story of Jonah and the whale be interpreted figuratively. He was hanged.
“My religion does not tolerate. It does not tolerate.” – imam in Australia
Daniel Triplett says
Why is Imam Seyran Ateş trying to put lipstick on a pig.
If you cut away all the crap in Islam, there’s nothing left.
Ashley says
Then, last year, the Istanbul-born feminist really painted a bull’s-eye on herself when she started the Ibn Rushd-Goethe mosque in the German capital. It’s a place of worship where men and women pray in the same space. Burqas and niqabs are strongly discouraged, headscarves are optional, and women often lead in prayer. LGBT Muslims are welcome and can get even get married at the mosque.
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This woman appears to have an agenda that has nothing to do with traditional Islam.
She is so far to the left that I’m surprised she identifies as an Imam or even a Muslim.
Why doesn’t she just renounce her faith and open up a tattoo parlor?
Rarely says
Personally I can’t see how this is in any way negative regardless of her motivations or personal benefit. At least the backlash from the muslim community will further expose the intolerance of islam. Perhaps even expose it to some far leftists who have not yet been too heavily indoctrinated – they DO exist. At best it could be the beginning of change…all be it a very modest beginning.
In any event it takes a lot of courage which most of us would not have ourselves if push came to shove. Again, regardless of motive she has painted a very large target on herself which she will be fortunate to survive.
Any and every attempt by individual muslims to create change in islam at the risk of personal safety should be applauded.
Ashley says
I agree, Rarely. I just don’t see how you can reform Islam. The Quran isn’t a very flexible text.
I worry not only for the safety of this imam but also for her flock of followers.
Rarely says
The least we can do is wait and see how it plays out. As if we have a choice anyway.
Ashley says
In a nutshell, this is what concerns me.
Media cameras are no longer welcome in the mosque during services. Apparently this is to protect the identities of those attending services.
And yet the mosque welcomes ALL regardless of faith, gender, sexual orientation, etc.
How can that work? You cannot protect identities while extending the welcome mat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMyqzOJHdp8
gravenimage says
The only bad thing is that she has convinced many hopeful Infidels that this is mainstream Islam, and that Islam must ergo be OK.
Mirren10 says
What this daft bint is attempting to purvey is *not* islam.
A Christian who started a ‘Christian’ church with naked services, and inter church orgies wouldn’t be purveying Christianity, either.
Rarely says
Perhaps such a church as you describe would not be adhering to the strict precepts of Christianity but it would sure be popular.
Seriously though we have been complaining about islam ad nauseam but when someone tries to make changes we simply say: “That’s not islam”. What the heck do you want?
Mirren10 says
”Seriously though we have been complaining about islam ad nauseam but when someone tries to make changes we simply say: “That’s not islam”. What the heck do you want?”
Truth and honesty.
This bint is simply trying to whitewash islam. If it’s not in the koran,or hadiths, it’s not islam.
”Religious authorities in Turkey and at the Al-Azhar university in Cairo have excoriated her, and virtually every day brings new threats of rape, or murder, or both.”
QED.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Mirren.
George Williams says
And why not, she’s a pretender, not a Muslim at all. She is a heretic of a religion that practices 13th century intolerance.
Rarely says
Ashley.
Attending anonymously isn’t ideal but a good idea for the sake of self-preservation. We should not be too critical when people do not have the courage to put their lives on the line. Few people have such courage. Just look at the commenters on this site. Few of us use their full names (I don’t) and the risk is much, much less.
Mirren 10.
You want Truth and Honesty. These are great virtues. However, one person’s Truth may be blind faith in the Trinity and another’s may be blind faith in islam.
Many commenters on this site seem to believe that the only solution is that muslims “see the light” and convert en masse to their brand of Christianity. We all too often read something like ” If only they’d read the Bible and see the Revelations”.
It ain’t gonna happen. Have to settle for something less. Subtle changes in islam would be a nice start but I won’t hold by breath.
Ashley says
I appreciate your input here, Rarely. You have a unique “voice.”
You say, “Attending anonymously isn’t ideal but a good idea for the sake of self-preservation.”
How can attendance be anonymous if the mosque is open to ALL…Jews, Christians, atheists, pagans…and perhaps an extremist or two?
At face value I applaud Seyran Ates. But to reform Islam is to reform the Quran.
I sure wish I could remember the commenter here that said, in essence, “If you remove all the violent passages from the Holy Quran you’ll be left with a three page pamphlet.”
I don’t trust this woman or her agenda.
Chalk it up to paranoia or a woman’s intuition. If Ates wants to reform Islam, she’ll need to address FGM, honor killings, barbaric murders of infidels, gays, rape victims, etc.
She will need to challenge the Quran…
Why doesn’t she just wipe her hands clean of Islam and help others to do the same?
Rarely says
Hi Ashley.
The easy thing to do would be to leave islam. However then she’d be a target as an apostate. No win situation.
I think that it is generally accepted that the best hope for change in islam (it’s still pretty far-fetched) must come from within. This is one baby step.
Anonymity issue. It’s one thing to be recognized by other attendees (even those who are just spying and making lists) and having your face plastered all over the media or internet. I wouldn’t expect any non-muslims would feel any need to attend this mosque.
She may not have addressed all the perceived ills in islam but it is open to the GLBT community so I think that would cover the concepts of FGM and honour killings. It may, in fact, become a portal for a number of muslims leaving the religion.
gravenimage says
Rarely, Mirren means that this Muslimah is not being honest about what Islam truly teaches. She is right.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Christine williams, again you are reporting fantasies. The woman is not reinterpreting the Quran and Hadith, she is holding an isolated juristic opinion debated for centuries in the muslim world and nobody threatened the propounders of this theory except the misguided wahhabists who refuse to tolerate dissenting views.
MFritz says
Ignore this troll – this is a LIAR and a FAKE. Not from Nigeria and not a muslim.
gravenimage says
Well, this from Ibrahim itace muhammed is just grimly hilarious.
He himself has affirmed that under Islam girls can be subjected to FGM, that they can be married off as little children to old Muslim men, that they can be beaten and “Honor Killed” by their husbands, that they can be beaten and forced to wear Hijab, that they can be murdered if they try to marry for love, that they can be raped in Jihad and used as sex slaves if non-Muslim, and that they can be stoned to death by a ravening mob.
So much for his implication that there is anything resembling gender equality in Islam.
Matthieu Baudin says
Golly, if there has been an outbreak of heterophobia at this trendy mosque then one would have thought it would be advisable to keep the women and men entirely separate.
Mary C says
I thought women were forbidden to be imams? Hmm…
David says
A female Imam performing same sex marriages in a mosque? I give that mosque less than a year before it is bombed.
gravenimage says
Germany: Female imam who preaches gender equality needs 16 guards to protect her
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Yes–I have read this before about the death threats she receives.
Another reason there is so little reform in Islam…