“Damis said that Moses’ conviction stems from his intentional act of spreading information to incite religious hatred against an individual, group or society.”
Moses expressed an opinion about the Qur’an and Muhammad. It was, of course, not a favorable opinion. That is all he did to “incite religious hatred.” Note that this language is the same as what we are increasingly hearing in the West: that criticism of Islam and jihad constitutes “hate speech,” and accordingly must be forcibly silenced. What has happened to Abraham Ben Moses is the West’s future, unless there is some large-scale recovery of appreciation for the freedom of speech.
“Indonesia sentences pastor to four years in prison over remarks about Quran during evangelism attempt,” by Jardine Malado, Christian Today, May 12, 2018 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
An Indonesian pastor has been sentenced to four years in prison after being convicted of religious defamation over remarks he allegedly made about the Quran when he shared the Gospel with a Muslim taxi driver.
Rev. Abraham Ben Moses, 52, was arrested at his home in Tangerang, Banten province in December last year after he was accused of blasphemy for quoting the Quran during his conversation with a taxi driver.
According to UCA News, a video of the conversation that was posted online showed Moses citing Quranic verses on marriage and telling the driver that the Islamic Prophet Muhammad was inconsistent with his own teachings.
On Monday, the Tangerang District Court in Banten sentenced Moses to four years’ imprisonment and ordered him to pay the fine of Rp 50 million (US$3,565) or spend an additional month in jail.
“We sentenced the defendant to four years in prison and ordered him to remain in custody,” presiding judge Muhammad Damis said, according to The Jakarta Post, citing tempo.co.
Damis said that Moses’ conviction stems from his intentional act of spreading information to incite religious hatred against an individual, group or society. The judge stressed that his sentence was lighter than the five-year prison term demanded by the prosecutors….
mortimer says
JIHAD is any AGGRESSION aiming to impose Islamic rule.
‘Islamophobia’ is any RESISTANCE to the imposition of Islamic rule no matter how trifling or inconsequential.
UK is about to go down this path of no-return to Islamic fascism and a dysfunctional Britain.
john spielman says
what is blasphemy for muslims is doctrinal truth for Christians and vise versa
islam is a doctrine of Satan who masqueraded as Gabriel an angel of God and duped muhammed into revealing islam that wicked pagan antiChrist religion l founded by muhammed a reprobate demon possessed mass murderer theif liar and pedophile pervert
J D S says
Of course this minister Is right in everything he said only he used too soft words about muhammad and Islam itself. No one should have to face prison term for speaking the TRUTH. But of course this Is Indonesia not AMERICA but—- but—but— if changes in, or new laws are not made then coming to ones neighborhood real soon, sharia compliance.
TL says
This looks like a win-win scenario. Muslims relish opportunities to pose as victims of defamation and blasphemy, and faithful Trinitarians are eager to play the martyr who is persecuted for loving Jesus.
mortimer says
TL, you are absurd. This is a matter of human rights. If you make fun of your friends, no one will be left to defend you when they come for you.
SoCalMike says
He doesn’t seem to grasp the difference between playing a martyr and actually being one.
TL says
No sane person counts Trinitarians as friends. Trinitarians—each and every one of them—are gullible cultists who worship a supremacist whose own religion is thoroughly false and backwards.
Lydia Church says
They are not ‘playing’ the martyr, they ARE the martyrs.
souare says
One puzzling issue though. Indonesia is so far away from Arabia that one must wonder how the people there were so easily swayed by this primitive and barbaric religion?
Did the Indonesians not have religions in their homelands before the cultural irruption of Islam?
ss says
Any arab can enter Indonesia easily. They marry local people and spread their offsprings there.
TL says
Yes, souare, there were several religions prior to Islam. Varnadharma and Buddhadharma are among them, and there are remnants of each. Perhaps the most striking remaining fragment, in terms of political organization, is the foundational philosophy known as Pancasila. The name is straight out of Buddhadharma, esp. Theravada, but secularists and Muslims have subjected pañcasīla to a radical vulgarization:
Compare:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Precepts#In_Pāli_tradition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancasila_(politics)
The contrast between the old and new sets of principles is rather humorous if compared one by one. For example, the precept of avoiding dishonesty was replaced by fidelity to democracy “led by the wisdom of the representatives of the People”. As you can see from #1 and #4 in Pancasila, a fetish for willpower and might, which is shared by both Abrahamism and secular humanism, is well represented in contemporary Indonesian politics. to
gravenimage says
Repulsive Fascist TL has said this before–that if Christians are to be good Christians, then they have to roll over for every savagery of Islam. *Ugh*.
Donald MacInnis says
That is why I do not want Islam in the West. They are all hipocrits.
Jennifer says
Hypocrites.
mortimer says
Clearly, Mohammed violated the rules he set for his community in the matter of sexual relations:
1) Mohammed violated the 4 wife rule, by having 11 at one time.
2) Mohammed violated the iddah rule regarding waiting a month before having sex with a captive woman, by having sex with one on the first day of capture.
3) Mohammed violated his marriage bed by bringing his slaves to his wives’ homes.
4) Mohammed broke his promise to his wives not to have sex with his slaves, and then threatened them with divorce or worse.
5) Mohammed broke other laws that applied to the community, but apparently, he felt he was above meticulous compliance.
HugoHackenbush says
I believe that in the Hadiths Mr. M’s wife Aisha notes that some of the “revelations” seem to be rather convenient in their sudden appearance and always in hubby’s favor (don’t remember if this was Bukhari or Muslim). Mr. Spencer, some help here please.
MARTEL SOBIESKI says
Here’s your answer:
“‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported:
I felt jealous of the women who offered themselves to Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) and said: Then when Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, revealed this:” You may defer any one of them you wish, and take to yourself any you wish; and if you desire any you have set aside (no sin is chargeable to you)” (xxxiii. 51), I (‘A’isha.) said: It seems to me that your Lord hastens to satisfy your desire.
https://sunnah.com/muslim/17
HugoHackenbush says
Thanks!
HugoHackenbush says
Forgot to add; great name!
Stonewall says
The Leftists in the West coddle this ideology as if they can control it.
There is no compromise in Islam. There is submission or slavery or death.
It is an ideology based upon the morals and values of a seventh century Arab war lord who, to say the least… had issues. Lots.
Through wars and terror this thing spread.
The Left welcomes this ideology into our countries, as if we had no problems of our own to deal with. Now we have this.
According to Democrates and Leftists, Islam is just like any other religion. And, we should respect it as such. Not to do so is hateful, bigoted, and racist and any other bad thing you can call someone. Just like in Pakistan and all the other Islamic countries there is only one opinion of Islam. Submission. Do it or you are better off dead and the Leftists will soon wish they were when they wed themselves to Muhammad. Every 9 year old girl understands that.
The Left is about destruction and power. Our destruction will lead to their power. So they think…
Ray Jarman says
Just the other day I bought a paperback of the Koran translated into English by John Medows Rodwell. I have read most of Robert Spencer’s books so I feel fairly acquainted with the koran and thanks to Mr. Spencer and one of the members, Mortimer, here who lists Suras applicable to the discussions at hand but still after starting to read it, I had to go to the bathroom. I now only read it while there and I leave there since it is the only place fit for such filth.
gravenimage says
Ray, this is a good, honest translation.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
very good. Get mithraist christian rascals inspired by the satan (holy spirit) to insult Islam locked up. That is the minimum punishment in this world and in the Hereafter they will be casted into hottest lake of hellfire burning together with holy spirit who inspires them.Idiots!!
Peterson says
I can not see a bigger idiot than yourself. You are holding Allah’s flag who is Satan and speak bad about holy spirit. What has caused your intelligence to fail? Is it just the greed for the false promises of Allah or are you under his magic spell? Wake up brother before it is too late. Whenever Muslims declare their allegiance to their god I am reminded of a story of a young girl. She rebelled against her mother and everybody for a boy she loved. She then runs away from home with him. But this boy was a trained agent of the flesh trade business and she ends up in flesh trade business the next day. Don’t be like that foolish girl. Start looking objectively without getting deceived by false promises.
HugoHackenbush says
Thank you Ibrahim! Keep talking. The infidel didn’t say it, the Muslim HIMSELF said it. Nothing like something straight from the horses mouth; but as I have written before the anatomical antipode does come to mind.
aguysomewhere says
Ibrahim your Muhammad was a mentally insane person who tried to commit suicide. He raped many women, he enslaved many people, murdered many people, taught hatred against christians, jews etc. He committed acts of genocide and war crimes. He is considered to be the greatest man who ever lived by millions of muslims who are unable to think critical about Muhammad. The philosophy of Jesus Christ is the philosophy of peace love and humanity. The philosophy of Muhammad is the philosophy of blood and death and human depravity and especially directed against non muslims.
Islam is fascism long before Hitler or Stalin. Long before humanity even had a word for it. Over 300000000 dead because of islam.
gravenimage says
The appalling Ibrahim itace muhammed affirms that there is no freedom of speech or conscience in Islam.
Lydia Church says
islam is of the devil, it is evil.
Christianity is the one true religion of God.
We are the ones respecting the human rights of others.
muslims are not.
But this is clear evidence of how you can only be ‘neutral’ so far in these matters.
There comes a time to impose Christianity. Not in a ‘we will force you’ sort of way.
But in a sanctioned way. That would put an end to such abuses and advances by
the muslim invasion.
Besides, the whole koran is blasphemy and incited hatred against all non muslims,
so anyone proclaiming it should then be imprisoned!
Again, give them a taste of their own medicine!
I like the recent comment by Orban of Hungary; he is planning on making Hungary a 21st Century Christian democracy! He is so right! 100%!
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Lydia church, human right in what sense? mithraist christians are inspired by the satan (holy spirit) to commit all atrocities like genocidal killings during crusade wars, in spain and by mithraist christian Nazis, colonisation or neocolonisation and deprivations of other nations, international brigandage, toppling governments to steal their wealths. Your human right is freedom to appear half-naked reviving stone age way of life, indiscriminate sex líke beasts and you produce horrible bad smells. Fools!!
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed has said that not allowing Jihadists into the United States is “genocide”, not allowing Muslims to pirate and enslave Infidels is “international brigandage”, and that marrying for love is “indiscriminate sex líke beasts”.
Muslims use language differently from us…
ciudadano says
Article 58 is coming alive all over the world but this time it is being used against the “enemies” of Islam
Gary says
“hate speech?!!”
Here… You want “Hate Speech?” Here’s some “Hate Speech”
Koran 2:191 “slay the unbelievers wherever you find them”
Koran 3:21 “Muslims must not take the infidels as friends”
Koran 5:33 “Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam”
Koran 8:12 “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Koran”
Koran 8:60 ” Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels”
Koran 8:65 “The unbelievers are stupid, urge all Muslims to fight them”
Koran 9:5 “When the opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you find them”
Koran 9:123 “Make war on the infidels living in your neighbourhood”
Koran 22:19 “Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water, melt their skin and bellies”
Koran 47:4 “Do not hanker for peace with the infidels, behead them when you catch them”.
Awake and Aware says
“spreading information to incite religious hatred against an individual, group or society.”
By that definition, Islam should be banned in any sane country as the toxic, hate-filled, racist and bigoted religio-political totalitarian ideology it is.
Matthieu Baudin says
Off Topic I know; however, while our focus here is on Indonesia, it seems like a good moment to give some attention to happenings in neighbouring Malaysia. The events reported in Jihad Watch are, by and large, accounts of depressing occurrences in Muslim majority countries or the subversion of non Muslim communities by the current International Jihad.
What happened in Malaysia last Wednesday was an outstanding good news story coming out of a Muslim majority nation with a very large non Muslim minority. In an election where the serving Prime Minister had stolen around 2 billion U.S. dollars, had almost totally gagged the press, imprisoned political opponents and grown close to those familiar and corrupt middle eastern fellow kleptocrats – the shock election victory was achieved through a broad coalition of opposition groups kept in place by a truly revolutionary wave that had swept throughout the citizenry. Somewhere here there is an anti Jihad theme to be followed through. This Malaysian Democratic Revolution would not have been possible without the enthusiastic support of ethnic Chinese and Indian Malaysians and the more modern and moderate sections of the Malay communities. Special credit on the international arena goes to the United States who kept the corruption scandal in the spotlight and applied substantial legal pressure for a full investigation into the ex Prime Ministers activities.
gravenimage says
Well, good to hear, Matthieu. Infidels are still terribly persecuted in Malaysia, though.
Infidel says
These low lives imprison non-Muslims even for harmless remarks on their prophet.. but these low-lives come to non-Muslim lands and constantly insult and threaten other religions…LOWEST OF THE LOWEST LIVES! They can Fcking rot in hell for all that I care
aguysomewhere says
The false prophet Muhammad used to publicly insult the religion and forefathers of other people at the time that is one of the reasons why he was not liked and acted against so don’t expect todays muslims who continue to see this depraved person as a role model to behave different.
sidney penny says
“What has happened to Abraham Ben Moses is the West’s future, unless there is some large-scale recovery of appreciation for the freedom of speech.”
Robert, you keep hitting the nail on the head.
Japetto Danatelli says
Allah can kiss my cute a$$, he was a psychopathic killer just like his fake prophet was. And I gotta ask, how… in… the… HELL (ellipses=much contempt) can you insult a religion like islam, anyway? I mean, it’s not like the world doesn’t already know it’s mentally ill, violent, bigoted, and ignorant, right? The idea that someone could go to jail for it is one of the worst perversions of justice I can think of. The real crime is to not criticize and expose it for what it truly is, a dangerous ideology that glorifies and provokes bigotry and violence. So this guy gets four years for some comments to a taxi driver? what kind of gutter nonsense is this? This is a humanitarian crime, a good man should not be going to prison for stating a commonsense fact about a murderer/pedophile/robber/religious fraud like muhammad.
F*ck muhammad, he was a piece of shit, I spit on his memory.
We need to teach these idiots, they can have that sh*t in their own nations but not in ours. If we ever lose the ability to criticize such a man then we might as well go to war, cuz there is no greater slavery than that. I am an honest, good-hearted, man. But if anyone felt they had the right to deprive me of my liberty for stating an opinion about such a man I would feel no compunction about taking any action necessary to defend myself. I don’t give a rats a$$ who you are, you f*ck unjustly with my natural born right to speak and live free then it’s going to be a no-holds barred defense. I will never forsake my constitutional rights for a psycho criminal and a phony religion of the murderous kind, nor should you. Islam is a serial abuser, killing, raping, and destroying freedom. It’s a fascist takeover of western society and our leftist appeasers are helping them. We need to sharpen our wits about islam and be ever vigilant concerning their sneaky methods and deviant goals.
Fight those who do not believe in Allah… Allah, god of the muslims.
FYI says
Given that…
1. the “holy” koran manages to insult Jews and Christians{koran 9:30}
AND
2 given that Moses,a Jew ,(is unwittingly) cursed by allah {in k2 v 65} as an “ape,to be despised and hated”{geddit?Moses is Jewish,although allahl seems to have missed that and moslems pretend he is moslem)
AND
3 given that (another Jew)Jesus Christ’s crucifixion is denied by allah {in k4:157}
AND
4 given the commandment-of-God violating teachings of allah in his “perfect” koran.
Isn’t it likely that neither Moses nor Jesus Christ would accept the “koran”?Moses would not accept allah’s anti Semitism and Jesus Christ would no doubt laugh at allah’s epic theology failures and his inability to know what the Holy Spirit is.
No doubt,if they were in the world today, the irate muslims would charge them with “blasphemy” against allah(but it would not be blasphemy against the True God to tell the truth about islam)
May God support Rev Abraham Ben Moses(…love the name!..):he is a True prophet of God.
And muslims wouldn’t know a prophet if they saw or heard one:that explains their “prophet” muhammed.
Crusades Were Right says
Anyone want to organise protests against the persecution of Christians in Indonesia? Anyone want to start a campaign to boycott Indonesia commercially? Anyone want to publically denounce and shame politicians, academics, sportsmen, etc, who attend events over there?
No? How strange…
gravenimage says
I don’t buy Indonesian products.
penelope says
that mo fellow was a horny little bastard ; such a fine example for folks to follow; islam is pure bs and makes excuses for their barbaric behavior and acts while threatening others who do not accept and believe like they do; what a generational disaster that has to be stopped in its tracks, sooner the better
Someone says
He was a moslem that turned and follow Jesus Christ. Born in Bima where there is not one christian. He was a scholar / teacher in the Indonesia biggest pesantren ( islamic school) in Indramayu.
Since he followed Jesus, he became fearless to oppose Islam and Muhammad. He indeed was radical moslem before. He wrote several books that critic Islam that cause controversy in Indonesia. He is fluent in arabic, and this makes angry many islamic leaders here.
He has 3 sons. Their names is Reza Fikri, Saddam Husein, and Muammar Khadafi You can see how radical he was backthen in how he gave names to his sons. Once he said, he would exchange all many moslem that he already evangelized, for his 3 sons to receive Jesus.
Please pray for him.
God bless.
gravenimage says
Thank you.
gravenimage says
Indonesia: Christian gets four years prison for remarks about the Qur’an
………………..
This poor man. There is no freedom of speech in Islam.