Newsweek happily uses this information to continue its ongoing policy of demonizing Christians and whitewashing Islam, but if Newsweek’s Jason Le Miere really thinks that this is a sign that Muslims are integrating and accepting Western values, he could be in for a rude surprise. Many Islamic groups in the West support same-sex marriage solely for tactical reasons: they know that breaking the idea that marriage involves only one man and one woman will open the door to the legalization of polygamy. This is step toward the Islamization of society, not a step away from Sharia. Italy’s largest Muslim organization made this clear when it called for the legalization of polygamy on the basis of the legalization of gay marriage.
The Qur’an contains numerous condemnations of homosexual activity: “And Lot when he said to his people, ‘Do you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds? Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people.’…And We rained upon them a rain of stones. Then see how was the end of the criminals.” (Qur’an 7:80-84)
Muhammad specifies the punishment for this in a hadith: “The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, ‘Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.’” (Sunan Abu Dawud 4462)
These teachings have not been reformed or rejected in the U.S. So the idea that Muslims in the U.S. are more “liberal” and “tolerant” than evangelical Christians is, at best, uninformed.
“Majority of U.S. Muslims Now Support Gay Marriage, While White Evangelical Christians Remain Opposed,” by Jason Le Miere, Newsweek, May 1, 2018:
Opposition to same-sex marriage has decreased across a broad swath of religious groups in the United States, with white evangelical Christians one of the few movements for which a majority remains in opposition. Three years on from the Supreme Court ruling that same-sex couples should be allowed to marry, the findings from the Public Religion Research Institute’s 2017 American Values Atlas, published Tuesday, showed growing support for LGBT rights, including a majority of U.S. Muslims backing same-sex marriage for the first time.
Muslims, by a margin of 51 percent to 34 percent, favor same-sex marriage, compared to just four years ago when a majority, 51 percent, were opposed. There were similar results for black Protestants, with 54 percent opposing gay marriage in PRRI’s 2014 American Values Atlas, compared with 43 percent in the latest findings.
Indeed, opposition to same-sex marriage is now limited almost entirely to white conservative Christians. Fifty-eight percent of white evangelical Christians and 53 percent of Mormons—an overwhelming majority of whom are white—are opposed to allowing gay couples to marry. The group with the most opposition, though, is Jehovah’s Witnesses, a group which is 36 percent white, 32 percent Hispanic and 27 percent black in the U.S. Just 13 percent support the law….
gravenimage says
Newsweek: Most US Muslims now support gay marriage, white evangelical Christians still opposed
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Yeah–just ignore their coreligionists in Dar-al-Islam throwing accused gay people off high buildings…
Here’s Sye Ten Atheist, with a scathing animation about Leftist idiots defending murderously homophobic Muslims:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ-iq_dpi9A
Let’s ignore all this bloody horror–hey! Evengelical Christians don’t want to bake cakes for Gay weddings…
Ray Jarman says
Gravenimage,
You forgot to mention that the prophet (may he be languishing somewhere in the pits of Hell) was given permission to lie by Gabriel so these people who follow him are simply following his example by their perfidy. You have echoed my sentiments many times, “I hate islam.”
The left is so stupid that they have no idea that they would be the first to be thrown into the pits of fire after having their heads removed by the peaceful loving cult’s sword.
gravenimage says
True, Ray.
Wellington says
Well, gravenimage, I have long said that if you can have gay marriage—really, are you effing kidding me?; I now pronounce you man and man or wife and wife—then anything is possible, certainly including polygamy which has a lineage to it in many societies over the centuries and millennia which gay marriage clearly does not.
We live in destructive and stupid times, which is to say we live in a time when the greatest civilization of all time, Western Civilization, which accomplished more in the areas of freedom, science and technology, and the capacity to apologize for its wrongdoings, is the one civilization you can excoriate with impunity. Most stupid are leftists living in the West who don’t realize that the very freedoms they still enjoy, while tearing down so many of the ethical norms of the West, will be eradicated if the West perishes and Islam becomes ascendant.
I no longer recognize the world I was born into. And it is a lesser world now. Of this I am certain. I have no objection to homosexual or lesbian activity but I will always assert that gay marriage is utterly ridiculous. The ancient Greeks had no problem with what we call homosexuality, bisexuality and lesbianism (though in ancient Greek there were no names for this), but they had the sense to realize that the institution of marriage, and as the Catholic Church has maintained all along (though who knows anymore with the doofus who is now Pope what he will end up saying or doing on this particular matter), is for the procreation of children and not primarily for kissy-face/huggy-bear reasons.
Weird world. Getting weirder by the decade. Yes, more and more I feel like a stranger in a strange land.
Mark Swan says
I Like What You Wrote Here Wellington.
Wellington says
Thank you, Mark.
DragarOz says
Up the Irons!
Wellington says
Indeed.
Debi Brand says
” ‘ feel like a stranger in a strange land.”
Well said, my Friend, across the board.
dl
Wellington says
Thank you, my friend.
IanB says
Wellington. I concur with your comments entirely. I was educated and brought up in the England of the 1950s and 1960s. My paternal grandfather, an ex-policeman, Freemason Grand Master, excellent musician and devout Methodist, was my greatest influence. He would not recognise the England of today and would recoil in disgust. I had the same thought as you when walking through Leicester city centre yesterday: “I am a stranger in a strange land” but this is the land I was born into. My land.
Let us console ourselves with a Beethoven symphony and a beer. In present mood maybe the second movement of the seventh but the third Leonora overture or the Emperor concerto of that musical and spiritual giant would more heartening. I raise a glass to you Wellington.
Wellington says
Thank you much, IanB. Your comment is most appreciated by yours truly.
gravenimage says
I understand how you feel, Wellington. At least gay marriage is between two consenting adults, though.
Wellington says
“At least gay marriage is between two consenting adults, though.”
Sorry, gravenimage, but so what? How about the majority of voting adults in America shortly in the future consenting to a distinction under the law between free speech and hate speech, thus effectively destroying free speech? Or what if a majority of voting adults in America consent to the repeal of the Second Amendment and this happens because a majority of consenting adults in at least 38 of the state legislatures vote for this?
Consent is not enough, gravenimage. Not nearly enough. Yeah, it’s better than consent not be taken into account at all, which Islam and traditional non-Islamic authoritarian regimes are certainly guilty of, but consent without common sense and wisdom, coupled with the destruction of traditional mores and a dearth of knowledge, doesn’t add up to very much at all. It’s rather like goodness without courage and insight.
I do now, and always will, even if every other member of my species on this planet thinks otherwise, look upon gay marriage as an absurdity. No, that’s not quite accurate. I look upon gay marriage as an immense absurdity. Civil unions for gays and lesbians with virtually all of the rights that married people have? OK. But sometimes words mean things and this is such a time. Besides, it’s only a question of time before leftists begin to go after religious denominations for being discriminatory for not marrying gays and lesbians, replete with the effort to deny such denominations tax-exempt status or even prosecuting them for a violation of one’s civil rights.
Gay marriage is the ultimate Pandora’s Box opened when it should not have been opened. Wretched and stupid age we live in. Surely.
gravenimage says
OK, Wellington.
By the way, I had a gay anti-Jihadist friend–who has passed away, sadly–who worried that gay marriage might be used by Muslims to lobby for polygamy and even child marriage.
VRWC member77 says
Newsweek are vile Heterophobes Iin my opinion and in the opinion of over 80% of the world’s population.
J D S says
Talk about FAKE NEWS where does Newsweek get this stuff?
Linda says
Maybe it’s just more taqiyya from the Muslims.
Jay says
I agree, therefore; I go with what the imams are saying when they think no kāfir is listening. There are ‘moderate’ muslims in mosques, however no ‘moderate’ mosques at least in Australia. They all preach stuff which exceeds even that the Jehovahs Witnesses preach. Killing homosexuals and Jews are among the many things preached by mainstream Imans.
I have personally attended some very conservative evangelical churches. However they stuff mainstream Islamic clerics say and do in this country is utterly amazing even by my standards. For example; a Bosnian Imam (Ibrahim Omerdic) at the Noble Park mosque was caught marrying a 14 year old girl.
BC says
It is a logical inconsistency anyway as so called ‘gay’ marriage allows people to marry ONE person of their choice. It does not permit them to have multiple partners. At least not legally.
Ray Jarman says
BC, et al,
The point is that the survey was a load of crap. Whether, we as Christians, atheists or other religion think that gay marriage should be permitted is not the point. The point is that the muslims will say anything as long as it aides them to destroy all of us and the left within our nations are assisting in our destruction.
Z says
I am a Christian and I admit I think gay marriage is wrong, but I don’t stop it. If they want to get married fine, but I won’t celebrate it either. And when people don’t celebrate it they are subject to hate. How is that fair?
VRWC member77 says
You don’t have to “admit” anything because there is no such thing as “gay marriage.” The concept of homosexual marriage is not legitimate. This is what the left have done in the West. They’ve made normal people feel guilty about normal societal behavior. MARRIAGE BETWEEN ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN has been the bedrock of society and its growth and sustainment since FOREVER.
It’s time to put the heterophobes in their place and not recognize this “homosexual marriage” concept.
Linda says
As the once popular song said, “One man, one wife, one love, one life…memories are made of this.”
WESTPAC Spy says
Z, please clarify because:
A) You can’t be a Christian if you’re denying Christ, as He ordained marriage as only between one man and one woman citing Genesis I and II and B) it’s stupid public policy to outsource procreating to hostile immigrants.
Do you look forward to gays getting thrown off the tops of buildings or buried under rubble a la Taliban ruled Afghanistan or just beheaded. I don’t. But by separating procreation from marriage, which is entirely the point of “gay marriage” that’s what you’re inviting into your country.
WESTPAC Spy says
Oh, and by the way, it has long been the feminists pushing for gay marriage. Exactly because gay marriage is the opposite of marriage. They wanted gay marriage to kill marriage, in order that any other arrangement for producing and raising children would at least be seen as equal if not superior to marriage.
I.E. state-supported single motherhood.
This is not some crazed “conspiracy theory.” They’ve been writing and talking about it for at least forty years. At least; it’s part of the poison spewing from the gender and ethnic studies department polluting our college campii since the 1970s. I’ve been aware of it since the mid 80s. Have you not noticed?
Jaladhi says
I don’t believe Newsweek story – there is noway Muslims will ever support gay marriage. This is just s spin from Newsweek to show hoe “integrated” US Muslims are and we should have no fear of them!! Our media is such a big den of liars and hypocrites!
Keys says
Agree, Jaladhi.
This is intentionally fake news with an agenda.
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Let’s go for these next year:
“Newsweek: Most US Muslims do not now support FGM; white evangelical Christian males do – claiming what is good for the gander is good for the goose – Amen ?”
“Newsweek: Most US Christian white women now wear hijads on bad hair days, while most black and white LBGTQ Muslims are opposed (except for L. Sarsour, who converted to Christianity)
mortimer says
I’m with Jaladhi … I don’t really believe these polls. About 35% of Muslims self-declare as OPPOSING THE IMPOSITION of Sharia law.
I can believe that 35% of self-declared Muslims are semi-apostate, but no more than that.
Sharia is ALLAH’S UNIVERSAL and ETERNAL legal system, so Muslims cannot overturn Sharia anymore than they can overturn the Periodic Table of the Elements.
Jaladhi says
Ha, ha,.. Mortimer!! I bet they will overturn periodic table also if Mo/allah told them so. Perhaps he didn’t know about Periodic table – but he is the best when comes to telling his followers sun sets in muddy waters, earth is flat and mountains are holding down the earth or it will fly away or fall down(who knows what), a great “scientist” he is! Chuckle, chuckle….
Brian hoff says
The Koran say the earth is round and creatures plants and human evolute to than chanceimg climate.
gravenimage says
The witless “Brian hoff”–really, “DefenderofIslam”–wrote:
The Koran say the earth is round and creatures plants and human evolute to than chanceimg climate.
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Here is the Qur’an on the earth:
Sura 2:22: “He who made for you the earth a bed [spread out] and the sky a ceiling and sent down from the sky, rain and brought forth thereby fruits as provision for you. So do not attribute to Allah equals while you know [that there is nothing similar to Him].”
Yup, that’s a description of a flat earth.
Here are more references to the earth being flat and held down by mountains, as you might use a couple of rocks to hold down a picnic blanket on a windy day:
Qur’an 15:19:
“And the earth We spread out, and placed therein firm mountains”
Qur’an 21:31:
“And We have placed on the earth firm mountains, lest it should shake with them”
Qur’an 78:6-7:
“Have We not made the earth as a bed,
And the mountains as pegs?”
Qur’an 79:32:
“And the mountains He has fixed firmly”
Here, in fact, is an Islamic site dedicated to the idea that the earth is, indeed, flat, and that the only reason people believe that the earth is round is because NASA is lying to them:
https://www.quranite.com/flat-earth-quran/
Apparently, the fact that anyone who doesn’t mind running up their credit card can fly around the world in a day or two means nothing to this clown.
And no, there is no reference in the Qur’an to “than chanceimg climate”.
Debi Brand says
Indeed, indeed–great news:
Muslims, high-fiving one another, toss to the wind, the traditions, guidance, and commands of their prophet; beneath the soles of their shoes rub to bits, the pages the “garbage” was written on …
And praise “Allah.”
Moreover, ‘ demand, in every western nation wherein they live, that they be allowed mosque and madrassas, in which, they, their children, and any willing others can learn the dictates and teaching’s of their beloved “Prophet.” That they might produce works in kind with those the “book” commands.
http://www.debibrand.org/chapter-one-of-khalid-masood-no-muslim-mere-muslim-or-one-among-those-who-believe/
http://www.debibrand.org/omar-siddiqui-mateen-obeyed-allah/
Brian hoff says
Most muslim in america donot care about same sex marriage one way of other. As long the homosexual do it in private behind lock door. We wil leave up to Allah to deal with this on the day of judgement when we all will be judge by Allah.
gravenimage says
Really? Then why are so many of “Brian hoff’s” coreligionists hanging gay people from cranes and throwing them off tall buildings?
Will “Brian hoff” condemn this? I would not hold my breath.
Lebel says
Another jihadwatch win-win:
If a Muslim is against gay marriage its because his religion is anti-gay and he wants to implement shariah. If he not against it’s because he is plotting to implement shariah.
This reminds me of the old Robert Spencer tactic of asking when Muslims would start condemning atrocities and then calling taqqiya on the ones that did.
win-win
Here’s some real data – those most opposed are the most religious:
http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/religious-tradition/muslim/views-about-same-sex-marriage/opposestrongly-oppose/
So the most religious…..are less likely to want to bring polygamy into the US?…it’s all very confusing when reason is brought in, lets stick with the jihadwatch win-win explanation because we’re never wrong.
gravenimage says
The idea that Anti-Jihadists are “winning” when Muslims are waging stealth Jihad is, of course, just grotesque calumny.
None of us *want* Muslim savagery as the sickening Lebel pretends.
Lebel says
Yup stealth jihad by supporting gay legislation.
What about the ones who are against it? what kind of jihad is that?
Garfield says
Lebel,l you stumble all over the points you try to make but can’t.
Muslim support for gay marriage is a tactic. You know Islam hates gays. It is in the filthy koran. Islam uses the koran and follows what it says. So a bunch of lies about tolerance contrasted with the hate filled supremacist Koran do not hold up.
Islam is slowly being exposed for what it is- a supremacist death cult run like a mafia, fueled by perversion.
CogitoErgoSum says
Muslims come and Muslims go but the Quran is eternal according to Muhammad and it is to be used by Muslims as a guide for their life and their beliefs. The Quran does not approve of homosexuality no matter what some Muslims may say and the sin (homosexual acts) of those who opposed the Prophet Loot is a sin deserving of a rain of stones (death) upon those who transgress. Even if some Muslims should forget this there will always be those who will guide them back to the “true” path as revealed by Allah to Muhammad.
The truth of this is contained in the Quran and the hadiths as pointed out by Mr. Spencer. How can a Muslim deny what is in the Quran unless he is not fully committed to the truth?
Lebel says
Because people are not just Muslim, they are complex people. Some Muslim just want to live their lives despite having a Muslim sounding name and looking middle eastern.
As an example, homosexuality is also considered “bad” in the bible but some Christians overlook that, tolerate it, ignore it to a degree. Muslims do that too.
We don’t allow Muslims to do that on jihadwatch. A Muslim must always act in accord with every single hadith and verse. If he does not, it is part of some scheme or taqqiya. And if he does, it just reinforces us in our beliefs.
If a Muslim country enacts progressive legislation, the last people to celebrate this will be in jihadwatch. Instead there will be anger, calls of taqqiya, and a strange form of anathema.
CogitoErgoSum says
Lebel, I can tolerate those who are homosexuals even while I think homosexual acts constitute a sin deserving of death because I also believe that Christ, through His death on the cross, took upon himself the prescribed punishment for all sins, including the sin of committing a homosexual act. I believe that anyone who actually commits the sin of a homosexual act, by virtue of the sacrifice made by Christ, may yet be allowed to live. Therefore, I can be a good person AND a good Christian if I don’t believe homosexuals should be stoned to death. This is why gay marriage can be tolerated in a country composed of a majority of Christians.
Your argument, on the other hand, is that to be a good person a Muslim must ignore some of the teachings of his religion. There are some Muslims who just want to live their lives — not as Muslims but simply as good human beings. Really? Your are really saying that a person must be a bad Muslim in order to be a good human being? Not much of a recommendation for Islam. Even so, as I said, there will always come along another Muslim such as al-Ghazali, or bin Laden, or Ayatollah Khomeini who will remind the “bad” Muslims of what they have forgotten or ignored in order to be “good” Muslims. The Muslims will be reminded of what is in the Quran and they will NOT be approving of gay marriage. This is why gay marriage will NEVER be tolerated in a country that is composed of a majority of Muslims because if they do tolerate it they will be BAD Muslims and they would be better off moving to another country that is not Muslim majority (if they can find such a country) which is what so many have done or are in the process of doing now.
gravenimage says
Lebel wrote:
Because people are not just Muslim, they are complex people. Some Muslim just want to live their lives despite having a Muslim sounding name and looking middle eastern.
As an example, homosexuality is also considered “bad” in the bible but some Christians overlook that, tolerate it, ignore it to a degree. Muslims do that too.
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And many do not. Is Lebel fine with Muslims hanging gay people from cranes and throwing them off tall buildings? Certainly, he has never condemned such things here.
Where are Christians doing any such things? Of course, they are not.
More:
We don’t allow Muslims to do that on jihadwatch. A Muslim must always act in accord with every single hadith and verse. If he does not, it is part of some scheme or taqqiya. And if he does, it just reinforces us in our beliefs.
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The idea that Muslims have to wage violent Jihad and murder gay people is because Jihad Watch is somehow preventing them from being moderates is just completely unhinged.
The fact is that Jihad Watch is merely pointing out how often Muslims follow the diktats of their vicious creed. If they were not doing so, there would be no need for Jihad Watch in the first place.
More:
If a Muslim country enacts progressive legislation, the last people to celebrate this will be in jihadwatch. Instead there will be anger, calls of taqqiya, and a strange form of anathema.
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There have been a few cases of lax Muslim leadership over the centuries–as well as Attaturk’s suppression of Islam. I’m glad to see this when it happens, rare as it is.
Of course, this does nothing to change Islam itself, which is always poised to come roaring back in all its horror.
As always, Lebel does not appear to have any problem with this.
Garfield says
If I was in the KKK and some members of the KKK lynched blacks but I went around saying I just want to be a PEACEFUL KKK member, no one would buy that. They would say I was either brainwashed and too stupid to think normally or I actually supported lynching and was trying to cover up that dirty fact.
Normal people would say you need to quit a group where some members lynch people.
Certainly you can find community with some group not associated with lynching.
So Muslims should quit a group where some members support jihad, fgm, “honor” killing, child marriage because the whole group is a toxic lie that no normal person should want anything to do with.
A supremacist death cult needs to be rejected. You’re not supposed to twist words around trying to excuse a group that thinks jihad is normal.
Mark Swan says
Just because someone does not display openly what they
have to base their beliefs on…does not mean they will not, at the
very least be empathetic with others who act on it.
These moderate Muslims seem to exist, so We observe this,
do We feel anyone who can read and has read the Quran
and is ok with it, can be something other than Muslim.
Do We expect anyone who is not a Muslim, but has read the
Quran, to understand, how someone who knows what is in the
Quran, can keep Saying they are Muslim.
In this age of Islam spreading aggressively, are we going to hope
moderate Muslims, can water down the very essence of Islam which
is about control plane and simple…are we to think the big players
in this are naive and vulnerable, or maybe ok with this—what.
They have been building-up to this time for many decades…they can
work any system better than its originators, they are very effective.
This is a supremacist Ideology…do We expect them to accept equality.
All their ingenuous determined efforts are very real and very wide-spread.
Do We feel these Muslim folks just need a clear view of
the good life, and when they realize how wonderful a good life
Is, these beliefs, based on the Quran will just go away.
The rest of this world cannot be on hold…how long do We have to give Them to make this reformation, after many centuries of the exact same belief.
Should the words good and Muslim be used together…read the Quran.
Do these exist…if so, let them cast off this hate group membership.
Let them join the free World and help…that is what they could do.
Many beliefs are part of humanity…yet humanity can not accept the Quran.
Whom then do we liken the Muslim Brotherhood to be.
Many have considered them Moderate Muslims.
They are not.
Recall, from the Muslim Brotherhood Explanatory Memorandum:
“The process of settlement is a ‘Civilization-Jihadist Process’ with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”
CONTROL
Ray Jarman says
Mark,
Very well replied. I have had a few conversations with some of the local staff at US Embassies located in a number muslim or with a large number of muslims nations and it seems that those who call themselves moderate muslims have never read the Quran and many are clueless about their own religion but I have never men one who considered himself moderate if he had read the unholy book of the cult and those who could read it in Arabic are the most despicable and arrogant.
Chand says
You’ll never win, Lebel.
A Muslim here means a special type of human, programmed by a supremacist death cult, automatically geared for crime, unable to transcend his/her culture or instincts, a robot machine buzzing and whrrring with incessant urges to establish Sharia, subdue women, throw gays off roofs, build mosques that blare out ALLAH O AKBAR, kill infidels and establish a global Caliphate as soon as possible on the whole planet!
He or she is not homo sapien sapien, capable of learning, wisdom, contemplation, love, empathy, concern for the other, etc.
He or she is doomed…………………………………..
Mark Swan says
Muslims being those who have the Quran for a source of morality, know it says they
can lie.
Those who have read the Quran, know the intent of Islam is about control, nothing less, and all of its followers, know that they are required to wage Jihad on all those that are not Muslim, plainly written in the Quran.
Muslims can not let up on Jihad until everyone is conquered by Islam.
No one can take Islam lightly; we are talking of a very organized and real centuries
old movement, that has always had its heart set on conquering the world, with real resources, determination, many allies and perceived opportunity now supporting it.
So even though only a few hundred million admit they support Jihad, ok, now you can go ahead and aknowledge the lying factor, and realize this is a tremendous movement.
We here know Islam and its intent for power makes it an insurgency prepared under the guise of religion for theocratic rule—we realize that subversive exploit of all manner is being unleashed through our free society.
The Islam movement has it’s star leadership—we all know it by its name.
The Muslim Brotherhood, founded in 1928 in Egypt, an organization that established Islam as a modern movement. It was, and remains to this day the ideological heart of all the later Islam groups.
Firstly, focus – for now –to come to terms with a political left which has totally lost its moral compass and political bearings. Islam has embedded the strategic effort of divide and conquer , and with a working goal, that seeks to meld with certain movements, and beyond that, exchange Islam, in the place of the former left’s territory—that is their hope.
Islam such as the Muslim Brotherhood, Hammas, Hezbollah and the Iranian regime and others do not hide their goal –the re-constituting of democratic societies and their replacement by a sharia-based dictatorial rule. All of Islam supports this.
In the mind of Islam, the Democracy way of life, constitutes, rebellion against obedience to Islam, It has to be changed. Total obedience must be to the orders and prohibitions of Islam’s Law. The Islam belief is that allowing people political and personal freedom amounts to heresy.
There is no other active anti-Democracy movement like Islam.
gravenimage says
Good post, Mark.
gravenimage says
What absolute crap from Muslim apologist Chand.
No, Muslims are not doomed–they can decide to embrace their vicious creed, or they can repudiate it. Most do the former.
He would not make the same excuses for avowed Nazis, most likely.
WESTPAC Spy says
“…Because people are not just Muslim, they are complex people. Some Muslim just want to live their lives despite having a Muslim sounding name and looking middle eastern. ”
Nobody has a problem with them just wanting to live their lives. But I must point out it is your own ignorant hatred that leads you believe that that those of us opposed to Sharia suprmacism and jihad simply hate Middle Easterners.
WTF do you know about the Islamic world? Clearly nothing, but here you are preaching to me. I don”t hate Muslims. . Where were you when I was setting up anti-piracy patrols in, I dunno the Malacca strait. As well as smoothing some roughed feathers. when the Japanese wanted to send warships into the IO to pass us gas and support OUR operations in the sandbox.
Cam you find the Malacca strait on a globe? Apparently not, sweetcakes, because if you could you’d know I’m largely talking about Indonesia. The most populous Muslim majority country in the world.
It is true, I did most of my work in Singapore. But please lecture me on how I hate Muslims because they look “Middle Easterner.” I’m sure we’ll all enjoy it.
WESTPAC Spy says
Oh, and then there’s the “Islamic sounding names” dealio. Why do you think tat is, Lebel.? Why should a Malaysian have to adopt a name like Abdullah bin Rahman or some such. If you ask, I’ll tell you. Even if you don’t ask, I’ll tell you. It’s not commendatory.
And, Robert Spencer, can you tell your website administrator to do something about the “light grey on white” eye-strain format you’re currently using for comments? It’s killing me. I have to hit “submit” in order to know if I made all the keystrokes.
gravenimage says
WESTPAC Spy, so glad to hear you have been involved in the fight against Muslim piracy. Here’s to you, sir!
JM says
You point out an example of circular logic in the Quran to a Muslim. His defense might follow this progression, to deal with all cases:
1. You must know classical Arabic to understand the subtlety of the Quran;
2. But if you happen to be a classical Arabic scholar, you obviously don’t understand the context;
3. And even if you can prove the context, you can’t possibly understand the Quran, because you’re not a Muslim;
4. Of course, if you are a Muslim, a furious mob will suddenly materialize and stone you to death for apostasy.
Conclusion: the shining light of the Quran wins the argument in every case.
WESTPAC Spy says
The Quran can’t be transliterated. Yet, we can enter in p contracts with Saudis. U.S. oil companies can enter into business deals worth billions and the contracts will be written in both Arabic and English, but when it comes to the Quran it’s untranslatable.
Wanna know why?
gravenimage says
Good point, WESTPAC Spy. Of course, anything can be translated.
And many Muslims don’t read Arabic themselves, let alone classical Arabic–yet they all understand the Qur’an in the exact same way.
mgoldberg says
You of course want to see the best of your Islam. Which I do understand.
However, throwing gays off building across the muslim world, the homcidism rampant against gays across the muslim world, is a very real thing. Since none of that can be changed in Sharia, and since no one who is muslim will dare to pronounce changes in those laws, It is fatuous to assert that it’s R Spencer and Jihadwatch who are playing the numbers to demonize.
The issue of Sharia as laws for all, is inherent in Islam, as Islam is mandated for all and if not muslim, then under the laws of Islam. The fact that Islam now exists in non muslim lands only suggests the entirety of muslim law regarding that and for non muslims that is indeed the issue involved. The is no canon law for non catholics, nor jewish law for non jews, nor hindu rules for non hindus nor buddhist laws for non buddhists.
Sharia is laws and lethality and they apply to non muslims by muslims, and though there are exceptions it is only due to lack of muslim numbers to demand those laws for non muslims that non muslims are exempt.
6woods says
Just stop it, Lebel. Most of us here know that lying in the cause of allah is a basic tennet of islam. We know that, regarding gays, mohammed said slay the one who does it and slay the one to whom it is done, and that allah’s word is to be followed for all time, until all religion is for allah. Stop pretending that you poor wittle muzzies are so terribly misunderstood by we evil islamophobez. Stop pretending that muzzie-majority countries don’t gleefully murder gays in sundry creative ways, all to honour their “prophet”, who is, after all “al insan al-kamil”.
NewWorldParty says
The lying media continues to lie.
NewWorldParty says
Newsweek published the “Madame President” issue and then had to retract.
Newsweek senior editor told everyone to sell their stocks because Trump won the election.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Fakenewsweek
The difference is Mohammadans frequently kill gays; Christians don’t. So it doesn’t matter (even if these stats are true) what the numbers are, it’s what they do in response.
Steve says
Proof of this deception lies in the example of every muslim majority country…. on this planet….where punishment is severe on homosexuals, all the way from prison to execution. That reality shows what really happens when they are in control.
Charlie says
Most Muslim countries they throw Homosexuals off balconies to there deaths. I don’t believe this for a second. Totally agree with Steve
Salah says
A TRUE Christian will never ever support gay marriage. Those who do are simply crucifying Christ again, and again.
Muslims, on the other hand, should start reading their own “holy” books. If they do, they’ll soon find about that Muhammad himself was GAY!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2012/10/was-muhammad-gay.html
gravenimage says
Agreed, Jay Boo.
somehistory says
True Christians know that marriage was something God made and, therefore, God decided the rules and regulations that apply.
Christians look to our Creator for what is acceptable and unacceptable behavior. He has not made any changes since the Garden ceremony and Jesus pointed that out about 2000 years ago.
If the members of islam’s beastly cult wish to pretend that these things are okay, one should look beneath the surface for the reasons. They don’t do a thing that does not advance islam’s takeover of the entire earth.
CogitoErgoSum says
If I believed that lying in order to prepare the way for my religion to become the supreme law of the land were divinely sanctioned, then I too would say that any type of self-destructive immorality that weakened my enemy would be fine with me and I would encourage my enemy to engage in that type of immorality (as long as the people of my religion knew to abstain from it). But, it appears that committed Christians do not support lying as a means to an end and I commend them for their honesty. I would not trust a word that comes from a Muslim’s mouth whenever he/she is speaking to a non-Muslim.
JM says
Two rules to live by:
1. Don’t believe anything Muslims say to infidels;
2. Don’t believe anything Newsweek says about Muslims.
Sentinel says
They support gays up the stairs of the highest building.
In Britain Muslims are targeting the Labour Party as the most likely political group that they can manipulate and, if they have to make concessions now, these can all be overturned later when their numbers and influence is complete.
Once they have sufficient numbers they will dump the Labour Party and form their own Sharia Party based on strict racist lines with a very racist agenda.
anonamustafa says
“Public Religion Research Institute”
https://www.prri.org/about/
” PRRI provides public access to the raw data files of its surveys after an embargo period of one year.”
one year,lol
Their “data vault” is a hoot.
The surveys having to do with religion are few and far between.
Another agenda driven data farm with a misleading name.
Indiana Tom says
They still publish Newsweek? I never would have known!
Voytek Gagalka says
They (Mohammedans) must have also known that it is necessary to prepare lists of such (LGB…etc) persons so they will know whom to attack and push off the tall buildings when the convenient time for it will arrive with sharia being in full force. Thus their acceptance is tactical in that sense. And they are very patient…
Rarely says
Is it being suggested that the US resident muslims are all in cahoots in this survey? Or of the same mind in trying to fool the rest of us? Or that Newsweek is fabricating the figures to make muslims look good and to make fundamentalist Christians look bad? Seems a little far-fetched to me.
It’s true that majority muslim countries are beyond terrible once the imams are in control. It is also true that many “migrant” muslims to the US are of the jihad variety. And it seems that converts to islam as a group are more violent than those born muslim. BUT it is also true that many (perhaps the majority or even the vast majority) just want to get away from the hell hole that their home country has become and do not see themselves as either invading America or trying to make it sharia compliant.
I suspect that the CAIRs of this world are not the true representatives of the muslim community (who elected them anyway?) nor are the hate spewing imams but they are simply following the dictates of their sponsors. Follow the money…where are they getting theirs?
Rarely says
OTOH maybe they just found out that diddling little boys is homosexual and they approve of that.
Stay tuned for the results of the bestiality survey.
tedh754 says
I’m sure there were plenty of people who joined the Nazi party who didn’t believe in mass murder either. But they were irrelevant.
Rarely says
Absolutely correct. If you are not actively in favour or actively against you are irrelevant.
sidney penny says
Most Australia Muslims do not support gay marriage.
In the recent survey in Australia areas that had a large Muslim population voted NO.
and as it has been pointed out the Islamic texts and teachings have not been reformed or rejected anywhere.and certainly not in one of the 56 and a half OIC countries
gravenimage says
+1
Jay says
The two electorates which recorded the highest no votes in the same sex marriage plebiscite are based in the Canterbury-Bankstown area (which includes the infamous Lakemba). Australia as a whole voted roughly 60-40 in the plebiscite, however the two electorates Blaxland and Watson voted 73.9%, 69.6% No.
In Melbourne the highest no votes were recorded in electorates which are based in Broadmeadows and Dandenong. What do these areas have in common, namely they contain the highest concentrations of Muslims in the country.
gravenimage says
Thanks for that information, Jay. It does not surprise.
Kepha says
Long ago, I saw a supermarket tabloid with the headline that Satan’s skull had been found in the Arizona desert. This news item makes me think of that. I believe that a skull may have been found in the Arizona Desert (most Evangelicals continue to oppose SSM); but that it’s Satan’s (that most Muslims approve of SSM) is doubtful to utmost.
Arthur says
I looked through the Methodology of the survey.
They used random phone number calling.
Interestingly, to select a household respondent, they asked to question the youngest male or female adult in the household (randomly asking for male or female). Seems like a big bias there! They also did not apparently correct for age deviation from the census statistics.
They write
And they also mention
They do not provide a list of their questions or the order in which they were asked.
And some of their figures leave out some groups (Mormons, Muslims, Jehovah’s Witnesses), possibly causing the “Evangelic Christian” group appear an outlier.
They also said nothing about language–whether any of the interviews were conducted in any language other than English.
https://www.prri.org/research/emerging-consensus-on-lgbt-issues-findings-from-the-2017-american-values-atlas/
Rarely says
Clearly potential for a flawed survey.
Mark Swan says
Yep, right up there with Wonder Woman’s Rope.
Wyldeirishman says
As this is but one of many issues that stokes the flames of civil strife and works to undermine the very bedrock of the republic…why *wouldn’t* they support it? At least, for the political expediency that remains necessary for the two-headed serpent of progressivism and jihad?
David M says
I doubt the Muslims in the US support gay marriage. In Australia we recently had a national vote & the Muslim suburbs voted “No” to gay marriage en masse.
David M says
Also from Australia, good to see this IS recruiters wife guilty of not standing for a judge. She has the full-on bee keepers outfit on, not one part of her is exposed.
https://www.theherald.com.au/story/5381292/is-recruiters-wife-guilty-of-not-standing/?cs=7
Jay says
If the voluntary wearing of the Hijab says to people “I support Sharia law”, the voluntary wearing of the Niqab probably says to people “I support Jihad to establish Sharia law”.
Jay says
That was true indeed, Blaxland in the Bankstown area and Waton based in the Canterbury area (including Lakemba) recorded the highest no vote in the country at both 73.9 and 69.6%. Neighbouring electorates in Western Sydney recorded NO votes of around 60% as well.
Also in Melbourne both Calwell (Broadmeadows based) and Bruce (Dandenong based) voted No as well by 56.9% and 53.1%, both areas high Muslim populations as well. Despite Melbourne as a whole voted very strongly yes.
This is not surprising, because many a mainstream Muslim Imam basically says that homosexuals must be executed.
Jay says
Sorry Watson not Waton.
Linda says
I don’t know why gays want to get married. Sometimes they aren’t into monogamy nearly as much as straight couples are. I don’t know why Muslims want to throw gays off of building tops, either, and I say that especially when you can find documentation of Bacha-Bazi in YouTube videos. These videos suggest that there’s a strong interest in gay activities in Muslim countries. From the videos, you’d almost get the impression that gays and Muslims could be friends for life. I guess those who participate in Bacha-Bazi aren’t reading their Quran very much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM-xe6wHjnw&t=104s
6woods says
Hi Linda – “Gays” want to get married for the same reasons that heterosexual couples want to get married. And please provide citations for your statement that “sometimes they aren’t into monogamy nearly as much as straight couples are.”
Linda says
I once heard a gay man on a talk show say that he and his partner where married, but had multiple affairs. He said, “If you want fidelity, marry a woman.” I thought that doesn’t sound like a conventional marriage that any of us would recognize.
gravenimage says
I have a couple of gay friends who just got married. They’ve been together thirty years–a bit longer than even my husand and myself–and have always been faithful to each other.
Linda says
I have been celibate for approximately 20 years now. (That’s voluntarily celibate, as opposed to incel). My point is, I don’t often have to concern myself with sex one way or the other. Anyway, with a number of religions vetoing the gay lifestyle, I would think that a civil union would be preferable to a marriage. If it were me, I’d say, “You don’t like my lifestyle? Fine. I’ll find other avenues to pursue. End of story.” I still don’t know why Islam proclaims that gays should be killed when the men all too eager to have dancing boys, bacha-bazi, for sex.
Ashley says
“I once heard a gay man on a talk show say that he and his partner where married, but had multiple affairs. He said, “If you want fidelity, marry a woman.”
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Sounds like an episode from Jerry Springer.
Like Graven, I too know a happily married and faithful gay couple. I have several pet peeves…sexual orientation and same-sex marriage isn’t one of them.
This post regards the HYPOCRACY that most Muslims support gay marriage…a blatant lie. An openly gay Muslim = a dead Muslim.
Robert didn’t open this post with “Hey! I’m taking a break from Islamic Ideology to conduct a poll on my readers’ views on homosexuality and gay marriage.”
If he had I would have quietly exited this forum…
Linda says
In actual fact, I know several gay couples and I’ve never had a problem with them, but that doesn’t mean that I agree with everything they do. As I recall, this story is about gays and Islam. I did not think anyone would be so sensitive to a comment.
Mark Swan says
Don’t let it trouble you Linda, this is what free speech is.
“citations for your statement that “sometimes they aren’t into monogamy nearly as much as straight couples are.” Here is one.
https://html1-f.scribdassets.com/44fsmv04e84jrhee/images/1-e65d88ac88.jpg
That all anyone needs to do is search—You should use more than a few examples.
Linda says
Thanks Mark. It makes me think that words can have vastly different meanings depending on who is speaking them. “Marriage” can mean one thing to a straight person and another to a gay person. “Peace” can mean one thing to a Christian and another to a Muslim.
Linda says
As a matter of fact, people often say, “Islam is a religion of peace”. Whoever says that, should also qualify that definition. If they say that while talking to a Christian, they should add on, “but not peace as you understand it.” Peace in Islam is submission to Sharia law. Christianity has no Sharia law, so “peace” to Christians has a different connotation.
Mark Swan says
Absolutely Linda, take care.
Angry Aussie says
The Wahhabists in Australia are overjoyed at the recent passing of legislation to legalise gay marriage despite their hatred for homosexuals . The reason they weren’t vocally opposed is that they plan to actively abuse our immigration system and bring into Australia even more Wahhabist males by applying for spouse visas for their (ahem) “lovers”.
The US may facethe same with Muslim Brotherhood types.
Of course they don’t support gay marriage. Not now. Not ever.
Jay says
I was of the belief they wanted the legal recognition of same sex marriages in order to push for the legalisation of polygamy. I predict that will be the next battlefield in the whole ‘marriage’ debate, namely the legal recognition of multi-partnered ‘marriages’.
KJW says
I recall a year or so ago some Muslims in Italy were advocating for polygamy arguing that since gay marriage is allowed, then polygamy should be. Perhaps because both are seen as deviant behaviors by one person or another.
A poll in England that asked Muslims what they thought about gay marriage showed 100% of them think it should be legal. I don’t have the link. My anecdotal evidence in talking to many young Muslim men is that they are against homosexuality period.
Newsweek has become such a propaganda rag like most mainstream papers and magazines. I have to think it’s propaganda and putting people against whites or “Muslim affirmative action” because otherwise they’re incredibly dumb about Islam.
Just as Leftists will say what they think they should say, so do some Muslims. Islamic countries are harsh with gays and ten of them have the death penalty as a punishment option.
Both Hillary and Obama were against gay marriage in 2004. Much of that was for the black vote as many blacks are against gay marriage. Most Religious American blacks are Christian…which makes sense since Jesus wasn’t a slave owner like Muhammad and racist Arabs.
Lydia Church says
Homosexuality is a sin.
Romans 1; 26-27
1 Corinthians 6; 9-11
Deuteronomy 18; 22, 20; 13
True Christians can never be complicit in that in any way.
And for this we are the rising target of persecution right here in the good old US of A.
Salah says
True christians don’t hate homosexuals, they hate homosexuality. We hate the sin itself, not the sinner.
Lydia is right, true Christians can never be complicit in that in any way.
Jay says
In Christianity committing homosexual sex is a grave sin given it is sexual immorality. However even the most strident bible believing Christians (the Westboro Baptist church are considered nuts even by those Christians) don’t advocate killing those who have homosexual sex these days. Rather they love the sinner and hate the sin, at least in my experience.
That is more than I can say for many an Orthodox Muslim Imam and those who go to mosques where they preach.
Jay says
Yes I agree with that, Christians are suppose to love even the ungodly. The most ungodly includes Jihadi’s. Evangelical Christian David Wood displays this love towards these people, even despite he is merciless in his attacks of their beliefs.
Ray Jarman says
Jay, As the mafia boss told the soldier of another family, “I love you but I am still going to kill you.” We are told to love our enemy but nowhere does it say to stand by idly and die. That would be similar to suicide which is an unpardonable act.l
Linda says
Christians are not pessimists and can defend themselves.
Linda says
So sorry! Spell check changed what I initially typed. It was:
Christians are not passivists and can defend themselves.
(Damn spell check.)
Chand says
So now Newsweek is fabricating numbers? Guess it wants to implement Sharia!
gravenimage says
More sneering from Muslim apologist Chand, I see. Go back to sleep, filthy Infidels…
AP says
You know, you see a lot of gays in the mosque these days. lol
Jay says
This is the reason why supported the NO case in the same sex marriage plebiscite in Australia. Because the legal recognition of same sex marriages would lead to Muslims to start advocating polygamy.
Jay says
I used to be a fundamentalist Christian and thought homosexual sex was a grave sin. However I did not feel the urge to go to a nightclub like Pulse and kill 50 people. Because that would be murder which is also a grave sin. Also Christians are commanded by Jesus to love even the most ungodly.
However for Omar Mateen a Muslim despite probably having homosexual sex, killing infidels and being killed in the process was to him a one way ticket to paradise.
Joe says
Newsweek continues to demonstrate their racism. There is no religion “White Evangelical Christians”. Check the Internet; that is not a religion. If Newsweek left off “White” they could get closer. If they called them demographic groups, that might work. Except, Muslims are hardly a demographic group. Someone should tell Newsweek that race baiting went out of style when BO left office.
Niemoller says
Exactly! Newsweak is an alt-left outlet. Not the Newsweek of yesteryear.
Niemoller says
The poll is entirely bogus. It’s a textbook example of manipulation with statistics.
It’s really a racist alt-left hit piece at heart. Here’s the money line: “opposition to same-sex marriage is now limited almost entirely to white conservative Christians”.
This isn’t even a real category, it’s self-defining, attempting to shape a category according to a sought answer. Are there not millions of non-white American conservatives? (Yes). Is the Nation of Islam pro gay marriage? Why are liberal Christians excluded?
The poll divides Christianity while Islam is treated as a monolith even though its only speaking for American Muslims, a group it’s fair to say is often in denial, has a lot of moral confusion, and is known for its preference falsification in polling . Of course, if this “journalist” compared a fundamentalist U.S. Muslim group (for example a Wahabi sect) to Christians as a whole, the poll would be vastly different.
Sad to know historic Newsweek has declined into weak news.
Niemoller says
The poll is entirely bogus. It’s a textbook example of manipulation with statistics.
It’s really a racist alt-left hit piece at heart. Here’s the money line: “opposition to same-sex marriage is now limited almost entirely to white conservative Christians”.
This isn’t even a real category, it’s self-defining, attempting to shape a category according to a sought answer. Are there not millions of non-white American conservatives? (Yes). Is the Nation of Islam pro gay marriage? Why are liberal Christians excluded?
The poll divides Christianity while Islam is treated as a monolith even though it’s only speaking for American Muslims, a group it’s fair to say is often in denial, has a lot of moral confusion, and is known for its preference falsification in polling . Of course, if this “journalist” compared a fundamentalist U.S. Muslim group (for example a Wahabi sect) to Christians as a whole, the poll would be vastly different.
Sad to know historic Newsweek has declined into weak news.
gravenimage says
True, Jay Boo.
Jay says
The Progressive and Islamic supremacists do have a common enemy, namely the Christians. Both want to destroy the Christians, so the Islamic supremacists are more than happy to go along with the Progressives pet causes in order to secure their support in destroying the Christians.
Chris Malan says
Saying it is “demonizing Christians and whitewashing Islam” for saying Christians are against gay marriage (I now pronounce you bum chum and bum chum, or arse associate and arse associate) and Islam is whitewashed for supporting it is not true. Quite the opposite. The Bible never mentions homosexuality without condemning it. There is not one case where the Bible has anything good to say about homosexuality.
Those who support homosexuality, including the homosexuals, are so hell-bent on destroying society they will side with anything whose objective is to destroy society, including Islam. You know this.
Does Jihad Watch have a float in the gay pride parade? Lay off the pro-gay propaganda. I’m definitely not the only conservative you’re alienating with your passionate pleas for homosexuality – a perversion with no physiological purpose. You’re solidly in the liberal camp with your heart-felt support for gays. Why not go all the way and tell us Islam is a religion of peace?
Jay says
I can only personally speak for conservative evangelical Christians who believe homosexual sex is a sin. I attended churches which were at the Conservative end of the evangelical spectrum. However there is a sizeable minority among the evangelical community who have no problem with consensual, monogamous homosexual relationships. In the coming decades this will become a majority position in the Evangelical churches in the west.
I believe among practising Muslims who attend mosque, the vast majority believe homosexual sex is a sin. Therefore; it is not surprising that the Imams are pretty much uniform in condemning of homosexual sex. If I had become a Sunni Muslim my religious conservatism would be very mainstream in the community as opposed to be quite conservative even by other evangelicals, when I was an evangelical Christian.
It is also noteworthy that a sizeable percentage of people who identify as Muslims are not practising in any meaningful sense.
gravenimage says
Jihad Watch is not making “passionate pleas for homosexuality”. It is reporting stories about Jihad and Shari’ah, and these sometimes touch on the subject of homosexuality.
Demanding that we ignore this is just odd.
And JW *does* condemn Muslims murdering gay people. Surely that does not trouble you?
Granddaddy says
I found this hard to believe even before I read the article. The majority of Muslims in this country, or in any country, approve of gay marriage? Yeah right. Everyone should know by now that polls are worthless when it comes to a religion that condones lying. It just goes to show how much the left does not understand religion, and especially the religion of Islam.