The reactions were fast and furious after Roseanne Barr’s Valerie Jarrett tweet hit the Twitter world early Tuesday morning. Jarrett, former President Obama’s senior adviser, was born in Iran to African-American parents. Barr’s insulting comment about Jarrett read, “muslim brotherhood & planet of the apes had a baby=vj.”
Within a few hours, ABC announced they were cancelling the very successful “Roseanne” sitcom reboot, declaring that her tweet was “…abhorrent, repugnant and inconsistent with our values.” Barr, for her part, had already issued an apology, recognizing that she had crossed the line of decency in a poor attempt at partisan humor. But the damage was done, and thousands erupted with indignation using words such as “offensive, disgraceful, racist, distasteful, inexcusable, and hateful.”
Rightly so. Such pejoratives should never be thought much less directed at another human being. Yet unbridled human nature is capable of much worse. Spend a day on a middle school or high school campus and you’ll hear a lot more hair-raising verbal abuse than Rosanne’s tweet. But we excuse that in adolescents. With 65 years olds, it’s another story. Roseanne is reaping what she has sown, and the public is heaping shame and scorn on her.
Frankly, I’ve been a bit surprised by the speed and ferocity of condemnations issued, especially by the self-described “tolerant Left.” In spite of her swift apology, very few have been willing to cut her any slack. I can understand this. But in the name of consistency, we need to apply this same standard elsewhere.
Barr’s “Planet of the Apes” allusion immediately reminded me of another instance where certain human beings are regularly regarded as sub-human by millions of other human beings, yet this reality hardly ever makes the news. On any given Friday in thousands of venues around the world, this hate speech spews from orators and is applauded by listeners. It happens in mosques and prayer halls, in classrooms and at rallies. Muslim leaders routinely speak of “the Jews” variously as the “descendants of apes and pigs,” “brothers of apes and pigs,” or simply as “apes and pigs” by nature. Mohammad Morsi, former president of Egypt and leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, argued that the Arab peoples should never negotiate with Israel, “the descendants of apes and pigs.” Mahmoud Abbas, president of the Palestinian Authority, has echoed the same language. So have imams and popular religious leaders around the Muslim world. Have any of them apologized for such hate speech? No. Have Western mainstream media or leading politicians called them out for such odious remarks? No. If you think I’m exaggerating, take a look at the video below, recorded about 12 years ago, of the then Syrian Deputy Minister of Religious Endowment, Dr. Muhammad ‘Abd al-Sattar, who in light of his official position should know a little something about Islam:
If you didn’t already know, Dr. Sattar makes it clear that the reason Muslims commonly denigrate and dehumanize “the Jews” as a people is because the Qur’an teaches them to. In three places, the Muslim “holy book” teaches that because of Jewish disobedience, Allah transformed a group of Jews into apes or pigs:
And question them concerning the township which was bordering the sea, when they transgressed the Sabbath, when their fish came to them on the day of their Sabbath, swimming shorewards, but on the day they kept not Sabbath, they came not unto them. Even so We were trying them for their ungodliness. And when a certain nation of them said, ‘Why do you admonish a people God is about to destroy or to chastise with a terrible chastisement?’ They said, ‘As an excuse to your Lord; and haply they will be godfearing.’ So, when they forgot that they were reminded of; We delivered those who were forbidding wickedness, and We seized the evildoers with evil chastisement for their ungodliness. And when they turned in disdain from that forbidding We said to them, ‘Be you apes, miserably slinking!’ (Sura 7:163-66; Arberry translation).
And [recall] when We took your covenant, [O Children of Israel, to abide by the Torah] and We raised over you the mount, [saying], “Take what We have given you with determination and remember what is in it that perhaps you may become righteous”…. And you had already known about those who transgressed among you concerning the sabbath, and We said to them, “Be apes, despised.” (Sura 2:63, 65; Sahih International translation).
Say: “Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allah: those (Jews) who incurred the Curse of Allah and His Wrath, those of whom (some) He transformed into monkeys and swines, those who worshipped Taghut (false deities); such are worse in rank (on the Day of Resurrection in the Hellfire), and far more astray from the Right Path (in the life of this world)” (Sura 5:60; Mohsin Khan translation).
If Roseanne Barr is rightly pilloried for the atrocious abuse she directed publicly toward Valerie Jarrett in one tweet, for which she immediately apologized, what should conscientious, ethically-minded Westerners who don’t want to be charged with hypocrisy say concerning a religion which tars and feathers a whole race of people, linking them with animals who are despised by that religion?
Read the rest here.
David Stephenson says
The problem with your premise is that Roseanne was NOT rightly pilloried. Planet of the Apes is a FICTIONAL cast of characters in a futuristic series of movies – the characters are highly intelligent and cunning and have destroyed civilization on earth (they are not depicted as “sub-human” as you state).
Roseanne’s joke was only found “racist” by racists.
She should NEVER have apologized, as there was nothing to apologize for.
somehistory says
Aren’t many on the side of those condemning her ones who would also claim that man “evolved” from apes?
If they claim that all men and women have evolved from other creatures…namely, monkeys and their cousins…then why fume so much over her remark?
Her apology didn’t stop the condemnation. It never does. And some people want to be “thought police” so that no one ever *dislikes* another or thinks that another may be doing wrong.
jarret is a part of the mb. If evolutionists were correct, we all would be ‘apes.”
and if jarret goes to the barracks each week, she hears the Jews called apes on a regular basis.
Guess the truth stings when it boomerangs.
somehistory says
Sure, she meant it as a racist remark. But it doesn’t change the fact that those condemning her are bigots against those not like them.
Christianity has been under constant assault and no one gets fired for hurling insults and even lies against Christians.
Freedom of Speech goes both ways, even though those supporting jarret don’t like it that way. They wish to control speech and even thoughts.
I’ve never liked Barr. But my feelings about jarret are way past not liking…way past dislike.And it has nothing to do with race.
Alien Republican says
“Rosanne Barr should have known that would not fly past a sniff test with the Left waiting to pounce.”. Let them sniffing. It’s the apology that weakens you. You might consider higher standards for the civilized.
Andy says
Roseanne Barr was just trying to be diverse, What happened to diversity is our strength mantra that we always here from the left?
What happened to having a different opinion about subjects?
It’s a LEFTISTS WORLD RIGHT NOW! IF YOUR NOT A LIBERAL/LEFTIST YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GO FAR.
The Diversity/Freedom Paradox
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGqWsBdrwVQ
Andy says
Michael Savage: The hatred is spreading like a virus… & other topics (aired: 05/30/2018)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Trlnt8cHGu8
Andy says
Above video was removed here is another video from the show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI9CEsplsXc
RedShoes says
Have a look at Valerie Jarrett’s “Black” blood:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Robinson_Taylor
gravenimage says
It’s still unclear to me whether the “Planet of the Apes” reference was racist, or about a threat to human freedom.
JawsV says
racist. Obviously.
Andy says
I’m sick and tired of hearing your a racist when it is a different opinion. This is the magic word that is always used.
Next,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79hRMiSMxFY
souare says
JV does not look black, so why was Roseanne’s tweet racist? Here are real black people; tragic victims of hurricane Katrina.
https://www.google.com/search?q=hurricane+katrina+blacks+images&client=firefox-b-1&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi0-K34o7DbAhUH0RQKHbdADV8Q7AkIPg&biw=1067&bih=489
JawsV says
Yes, Jarrett looks black. Light-skinned black not dark like your Katrina examples.
Mateen Elass says
Graven, in her first apology Roseanne tweeted among other things, ” I am truly sorry for making a bad joke about her politics and her looks. I should have known better. Forgive me-my joke was in bad taste.”The reference to looks makes it pretty clear her allusion to Planet of the Apes was racist in nature, wouldn’t you agree?
gravenimage says
Thank you for the clarification–given this, you are probably right.
Mark Swan says
In America it is still legal to say what Roseanne Barr said.
This is Roseanne—a household name—always expected to be
bizarre and goofy—Disney knew this—everyone else knows this—
the money is there because many millions of people love Her.
These thin skinned people that get such absolutely special
protection, are not, the problem—the problem is, are we still
Americans—do we still have constitutional law—which
does allow off-color comedy and views that others do
not appreciate.
Andy says
Roseanne FIRED for Fake “Racism” Against Valerie Jarrett on Twitter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpvI0-oU0HQ
Mark says
No, I don’t agree. Cannot a white person look like an ape? Many apes, or at least many primates, are light skinned. Why are we letting the Left label anyone who compares a dark skinned person to an ape, no matter the context or circumstances, a racist? When I was younger and lived away from home I visited my family and showed photos to my brother. I had been lifting weights a lot and got pretty muscular. I was shirtless in one of the photos of me with some friends. My brother didn’t recognize that it was me in the photo, and asked me “who’s the ape?”, a reference to my build. I am as white as Warren Buffet.
Bezelel says
gravenimage, I’m glad to hear you question it. She was obviously insulting vj as an individual who was part of a destructive administration that pandered to islam. Is vj somehow above reproach? I think not. This is a lesson in subliminal tactics of social engineering, as I see it. fox news is even on the band wagon. To say that black people resemble apes is not inherently racist but an opinion of an observation, To say that vj looks like a cross between the MB and a Planet of the Apes character is an insult to vj. To say that blacks are offended by any comparison to Apes would be an understatement. I was not aware that vj is black, Iranian yes but not black, Roseanne is saying she thought Saudi. I can’t read her mind but her first reaction when confronted with the racism aspect, she said, “islam is not a race.” I feel that she intended an insult, not a racist insult. IMHO
gravenimage says
Hi, Bezelel. Valerie Jarret was born in Iran, but is not Iranian–nor is she Saudi. She is African American, and is not herself Muslim.
I agree with Barr’s Tweet that Islam is not a race, of course.
somehistory says
You make a very good point. Wish we could get a clarification form Barr, herself.
Perhaps she was not referencing race at all, but with the “planet” part meant in the way that the “apes” were trying to conquer….which is what the mb and islam in total is trying to do. vj was working on behalf of iran…a country with a moslim government that would very much like to control the rest of us. But when Barr was attacked and called a “racist” she apologized for saying what was taken as a racial comment.
Once an apology is made, things tend to get confused and twisted…even more than the original.
Whatever the case, each person should be allowed their personal opinion…whether or not others like it. As long as bad actions don’t follow the words, each person has the right to speak the mind. vj was “protected” from critical comments when o was in office, as though she was above criticism.
Peggy says
Why isn’t it considered racist to say that President Trump looks like an orang-utan?
Are the people objecting to calling African American apes saying that only African Americans look like apes so therefore you can’t draw attention to it?
That sounds racist to me.
Peggy says
If comparing Trump to an orang-utan is not considered racist why is comparing this woman to a character from a movie racist?
It seems that comparing a white person to an ape is fine because they so obviously don’t look like apes which then means that African American people do look like apes and pointing that out is not on. Seems to me that people objecting are the racists then.
I never thought that African Americans looked like apes.
Julea Bacall says
I disagree and this is exactly why we should all watch the crazy jokes and stick to facts about what the Qur’an/Hadiths really say without the sarcasm. Its why there really should not be nazigroups, white Supremacists KKKlan, Islam or real racists If we want to get anywhere people have to be smart and stick to facts. Thats just the way it is now. So what are priorities? Its too important to mess around and do or say anything we all actually know is over the line.
(But I know SURE that ambian should be banned and never made again)
Creole Gumbo says
I agree that there was nothing to apologize for. She did not say that VJ looked like an ape! She made a reference to a movie and I for one could not tell exactly what aspect of the movie she was referring to.
Peggy says
Actually they showed the photo of VJ and a photo of the character and I must say there is a resemblance. Nothing to do with colour but features.
Some people have facet that resembles a horse and some an ape. People used to say that princess Anne looks like a horse. Colour does not come into it.
Mark T says
Exactly! That’s the point I made above.
Julea Bacall says
I think we should not play dumb. This has been around for hundreds of years making fun of black people and everyone knows it. Tell me this…….would you call out someone who said “Islam is the religion of Peace” (because peace comes when there is no one else left to fight) Should they be allowed to just play dumb and go on and on with it? I say NO and the same with racism and bullying people….especially not on TV or Internet with snarky personal criticisms about looks, disabilities, parents, grandparents, children, bald babies etc. It does not make the world a better place. It does nothing to unite. To be united against the things that really count.
mariam rove says
This is a great article to say the least. Yes where is the condemnation here. m
Notmoron says
Roseanne doesn’t know the rules , instead of using Muslim, she should have used Christian and her job would be safe
Nour says
If Islam is so hateful, then why did the Holocaust happen in Christian Europe and not the Muslim world? And who invented the Spanish Inquisition? the Catholics or the Muslims of Al-Andalus?!
The meaning of the word swine (or pigs in other translations) should be explained in the context of the complete verse. Similarly, the verse should be interpreted in the context of the whole chapte, and the whole issue should be understood in the framework of the whole Book (Quran) and the message (Islam). Further, one should be fully aware of historical facts and be alerted of common (forcibly publicized) stereotypes.
The reference in the verse is obviously to some who acted in a mischievous manner towards God, His messages, and Messengers. The rationale behind cursing some for their sinful stances and deeds could be gradually unfolded if you read through the preceding verses which give the meaning of:
{O you who believe! do not take for guardians those who take your religion for a mockery and a joke, from among those who were given the Book before you and the unbelievers; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah if you are believers. And when you call to prayer they make it a mockery and a joke; this is because they are a people who do not understand. Say: O followers of the Book! do you find fault with us (for aught) except that we believe in Allah and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed before, and that most of you are transgressors?} (Al-Maidah 5:57-59)
Objective in-depth reading of the chapter and other parts of the Quran leads logically to the following:
The words “monkeys and pigs” here are not to scold or revile these persons; rather, they express condemnation of their deeds.
They do not condemn a specific race or a whole race, but only those whose mentality and conduct are as described. So, it is their deviation from the proper divine guidance that makes such individuals deserve to be turned into monkeys (behaving thoughtlessly) and pigs (neither bashful nor shy of wicked acts).
The deviations and blunders for which they deserved such severe descriptions are not only those referred to in chapter five (Al-Maidah) of the Quran, but are expounded in more details in chapter two (Al-Baqarah). Further examples can be traced in other scattered locations of the Quran, from which you can form a long list.
In listing these deviations, the Quran does not so much aim to discredit Jews or Christians as it serves five of the major objectives of Islam:
1. Emphasize the unity of the message of God which He sent to all His prophets and messengers, starting with Adam then Nuh (Noah), Ibrahim (Abraham), Musa (Moses) and Isa (Jesus); ending with Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon them all), and including all genuine prophets of God.
2. Remind mankind that all the messages of all the prophets prior to Muhammad have been tampered with: either lost, compromised with pagan beliefs, or intentionally distorted. Revealed texts were either neglected, modified, or replaced with human texts given the status of “holy” books.
3. Offer Islam—as presented in the Quran and the detailed guidance of the Last Messenger—to be the final universal message to mankind. Thus it was to be (and has been) preserved unchanged to the end of time.
4. Keep a permanent reminder and warning to those who accept Islam, not to repeat the mistakes of some of the followers of previous messages.
Salah says
Muhammad, the founder of Islam is considered to be the “Perfect Man of Islam.”
So ALL your arguments are worthless.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/12/perfect-man-of-islam.html
mariam rove says
I was trying to avoid you. While your name both in Farsi and Arabic(Nour) means light, your brain have not seed a ray of light since you were born. Your analogy of Islam, does not make Islam any less viler. So think about it: you are here blogging on a site that a lot of people are verse what islam is all about including my self since I was born and raised one. And here no one is harassing you and letting you speak.
So here is a test for you: Go to Egypt/Pakistan/Afghanistan/Iran…etc and start a blog defending the Jews and infidels and then see how your so called religion of peace is going to treat you. Once you have done this, i am sure we no longer would be hearing from you. M
Mark Swan says
Absolutely mariam rove.
Malcolm (South Afric) says
@ Nour this is why Catholics Dislike you and your ridiculous religion and laugh at your fake prophet who had no witnesses to his allegation that God spoke to him while he was sleeping and you believe that.
If one looked at the titles of the books of the Koran, immediately one can see how ridiculous they are.
Lets just look at one.
Women: although a lot of nonsenses there is one story which is hilarious: Mohammed says to Zeid, God has commanded me to take your wife, Zeid replies you are an apostle of God. Do as God commanded you, take my wife.
Well Mo did then he wrote a law that justified a man divorcing his wife, if he wanted her back, she first has to marry again, before that could happen.
Look Islam at its inherent motivation, it is a ridiculous religion, it feigns piety as a front, inserting itself into the good of people who are not aware.
No doubt there a Muslims that are good and do very little that is evil. That does not negate the fact at its pith it is evil.
Mo, lusted after Zeid wife, she was beautiful, that is what his motive was, Zeid was ether afraid or stupid. More likely afraid.
This was Mo operandi in every thing he said and did was to to appeal to his base instincts and allowed his followers to do the same.
Dan says
You need to check up on the truth about the Inquisition. It did happen, but most has been proven to be exaggerated.
The Holocaust on the other hand, was derived by Nazis, who were NOT committing such in the Name of God, because since Jesus Christ at least, we are condemned for doing such.
So, Christianity CONDEMNED the Nazis, who had the blessing and support of al-Banna and Islam, and kicked their sorry butt.
Germans are STILL paying for it.
Catholics were against Hitler too. The Hitler’s Pope thing is another lie, initially propagated by Stalin who HATED Pius XII because the Catholic church has, ever since Marx and Lenin, against socialism and communism.
Islam and Muslims have PROMOTED mass murdering and slavery ever since Mohamed got started, and today Islam is responsible for over 95% of all terrorist activities.
MAYBE if Muslims only killed the groups they officially hated, Americans, Israelis, and just Jews everywhere, most of the world would probably swallow their fish story.
But Muslims kill anybody and everybody. Men, women and children. The elderly. The children. The disabled and infirm. Innocent bystanders. Comedians. Artists. Musicians. Any other religious leaders.
They THRIVE on collateral damage, and you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting some group that hasn’t had Muslims intentionally slaughter some of their members in the most gruesome way.
When Muslims start turning in even family and friends that aren’t “Practicing peaceful Islam” then we’ll start listening to people like you.
It’s called “Acts of Good Faith.”
But until the hate spewing imams, every single mosque, and every single Muslim period, that has supported some radical nut job, is sent packing, there isn’t a thing come out of your mouth that won’t be considered taqiyya.
Malcolm (South Afric) says
@ Dan
You are right, what you are dealing with, is the deceit of muslims, this is what they have been doing since their fake prophet was kicked out Mecca. Their deceit cannot survive historical scrutiny,
Nour is a coward that will not produce evidence or facts to the table. Yet we can produce the facts from there stupid book that he is unable to refute because they are true.
It is a pleasure to dialogue with Nour.
andra says
why did the Holocaust happen in Christian Europe and not the Muslim world?
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Hitler was not Christian, not at all. He was islamophile. He preferred Islam to Christianity, because he admired the cruelty taught in the Koran and despised the peacefullness taught by Jesus.
You should look at the whole piece of history and not only pick those parts that fit into your theory.
Stacy Girl says
Nothing in her argument is supported by authentic history. The holicaust is re-enacted every time a Jew is killed by a Muslim, which is often.
Peggy says
Islam allied itself with Hitler.
Granddaddy says
“3. Offer Islam—as presented in the Quran and the detailed guidance of the Last Messenger—to be the final universal message to mankind.”
Why do all you Muslims think there is some connection between Islam and Christianity? There is none. Look at any of the stories of the Judaeo-Christian patriarchs given in the Quran and compare them with the stories in the Bible. You will find that they do not match. How is this a connection? On the other hand, you will find no disagreement between the Old Testament and the New. There is all kinds of connection there. Also, where did these stories in the Quran come from? They do not appear anywhere in the Bible, and they do not appear anywhere in pre-Islamic Arabian tradition. So where do they come from? Furthermore, you claim Jesus is not only a prophet of Judaeo-Christianity, but he was also, you say, a Muslim. How does this connect him to Judaeo-Christianity? You also say Muhammad is the last prophet of the Christians and the Jews. Our Jesus was a Jew, and that is what connects him to the Jews. Was Muhammad a Jew? No. Was Muhammad a Christian? No. So none of your stories agree with the Bible, and your Jesus was a Muslim, and Muhammad was a Muslim. So where is this connection you claim exists between Islam and Judaeo-Christianity?
Malcolm (South Afric) says
@Granddaddy
Mohammed as a young man, worked for Khadijah , on his travels as a camel driver for Khadijah he came across Jewish and Christian people, through these conversation he took their message and like all decisivers, he spun these excerpts of Judaism and Christians to his advantage saying that he was the last prophet. That Jesus shadow, was crucified, denied the Trinity. That the angel Gabriel came to him.
What a load of nonsense and a twist on the annunciation.
You would expect there to be witness to his alleged messages from God, there were none, one would expect there to be some supernatural signs, there were none. Mo is the only witness.
Malcolm (South Afric) says
Correction: deceivers.
Cicero says
Well if it is all taken out of context and really it refers to extant times how come that same hateful warlike message are being believed and acted upon by followers of the religion of peace in the four corners of the globe. Regardless of context.
The devil lies in the context
Norger says
“The words “monkeys and pigs” here are not to scold or revile these persons; rather, they express condemnation of their deeds.”
Glad we got that distinction straight. In that case I think Jews should be 100% OK with being called apes and pigs. I suppose that genocidal (and reliable) Hadith that says trees will call out to Muslims to slaughter Jews hiding behind them (cited in Hamas’ Charter) was also simply a condemnation of Jews’ collective misdeeds.
With respect to your pathetic attempt to whitewash one of the many distinctly ugly aspects of Islamic theology I say this: you can’t put lipstick on a pig.
gravenimage says
Nour wrotre:
If Islam is so hateful, then why did the Holocaust happen in Christian Europe and not the Muslim world? And who invented the Spanish Inquisition? the Catholics or the Muslims of Al-Andalus?!
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Ridiculous Tu Quoque. Antisemitsm in Europe or anywhere else does not make Islam any less Jew hating.
And as others have noted, Hitler was not Christian–he despised Christianity and admired Islam. He openly modeled the Holocaust on the Armenian Genocide.
More:
The meaning of the word swine (or pigs in other translations) should be explained in the context of the complete verse. Similarly, the verse should be interpreted in the context of the whole chapte, and the whole issue should be understood in the framework of the whole Book (Quran) and the message (Islam). Further, one should be fully aware of historical facts and be alerted of common (forcibly publicized) stereotypes.
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Nour has spammed this word for word before. The fact is that the context here is that the entire Qur’an is filled with hatred for Jews, because they did not all convert to Islam and follow the vicious “Prophet”.
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The reference in the verse is obviously to some who acted in a mischievous manner towards God, His messages, and Messengers.
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i.e., they did not all convert to Islam. This is considered being “mischievous” towards the savage Allah.
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The rationale behind cursing some for their sinful stances and deeds could be gradually unfolded if you read through the preceding verses which give the meaning of:
{O you who believe! do not take for guardians those who take your religion for a mockery and a joke, from among those who were given the Book before you and the unbelievers; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah if you are believers. And when you call to prayer they make it a mockery and a joke; this is because they are a people who do not understand. Say: O followers of the Book! do you find fault with us (for aught) except that we believe in Allah and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed before, and that most of you are transgressors?} (Al-Maidah 5:57-59)
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Muhammed also had his critics assassinated. No one was allowed to mock his violence.
More:
Objective in-depth reading of the chapter and other parts of the Quran leads logically to the following:
The words “monkeys and pigs” here are not to scold or revile these persons; rather, they express condemnation of their deeds.
They do not condemn a specific race or a whole race, but only those whose mentality and conduct are as described. So, it is their deviation from the proper divine guidance that makes such individuals deserve to be turned into monkeys (behaving thoughtlessly) and pigs (neither bashful nor shy of wicked acts).
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The Qur’an and other texts of Islam takes Jews being turned into apes and pigs quite literally–this is not metaphoric.
And–as I have noted–the Qur’an is full of condemnations of all Jews who do not convert to Islam. A Hadith notes that in the last days that Muslims will commit genocide against the Jews.
Nour’s apologia for savagery is just sickening.
More:
The deviations and blunders for which they deserved such severe descriptions are not only those referred to in chapter five (Al-Maidah) of the Quran, but are expounded in more details in chapter two (Al-Baqarah). Further examples can be traced in other scattered locations of the Quran, from which you can form a long list.
In listing these deviations, the Quran does not so much aim to discredit Jews or Christians as it serves five of the major objectives of Islam:
1. Emphasize the unity of the message of God which He sent to all His prophets and messengers, starting with Adam then Nuh (Noah), Ibrahim (Abraham), Musa (Moses) and Isa (Jesus); ending with Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon them all), and including all genuine prophets of God.
2. Remind mankind that all the messages of all the prophets prior to Muhammad have been tampered with: either lost, compromised with pagan beliefs, or intentionally distorted. Revealed texts were either neglected, modified, or replaced with human texts given the status of “holy” books.
3. Offer Islam—as presented in the Quran and the detailed guidance of the Last Messenger—to be the final universal message to mankind. Thus it was to be (and has been) preserved unchanged to the end of time.
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Islam appropriated the Jewish prophets and Jesus, and then told Jews and Christians that they all deserve to die for not accepting this. Much of the Qur’an is about this.
More:
4. Keep a permanent reminder and warning to those who accept Islam, not to repeat the mistakes of some of the followers of previous messages.
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In other words, the Qur’an condemns and threatens Jews and Christians–and threatens any Muslims who are not savage enough to them.
Of course, civilized Infidels don’t necessarily consider this a good thing as does the vicious Nour.
Malcolm (South Afric) says
Good Post gravenimage.
Mark Swan says
Absolutely gravenimage.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Malcolm and Mark.
Chand says
gravenimage says “And as others have noted, Hitler was not Christian–he despised Christianity and admired Islam. He openly modeled the Holocaust on the Armenian Genocide.”
Hitler despised Christianity because it was ‘weak’, in his opinion. He might have ‘admired’ Islam but it was because he hated the Jews.
He propagated a version of the Aryan Jesus who destroys the Jews. He epitomized the simmering, hidden hatred of the Jews among some European Christians with its long history of vicious Antisemitism.
He might not have been a believer of Christ but he certainly gave expression to the general hatred of the Jews among Christians, in the past, who blamed the Jews for the death of Jesus.
But little did Hitler know that recent research has revealed a trace of Jewish and African ancestry in his bloodline.
https://www.history.com/news/study-suggests-adolf-hitler-had-jewish-and-african-ancestors
And he used the techniques of the Armenian Genocide, not as a secret way of following Islam but as an efficient way of killing Jews. He might not have been a practicing Christian but he was a Jew hating European Christian at heart.
souare says
Hitler was a Christian only because he was baptized. But he longed for the traditional pre-Christian Germanic nature religion.
There was nothing in his behavior that ,made him a follower of Christ. A veritable CINO.
He also preferred Islam to Christianity claiming that Christianity was too soft and not as virile as Islam–with its battalions of warriors willing to rape, slaughter and steal for the cause of Muhammad and Islam.
gravenimage says
Chand wrote:
gravenimage says “And as others have noted, Hitler was not Christian–he despised Christianity and admired Islam. He openly modeled the Holocaust on the Armenian Genocide.”
Hitler despised Christianity because it was ‘weak’, in his opinion.
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He did indeed. Why is this a good thing?
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He might have ‘admired’ Islam but it was because he hated the Jews.
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Not specifically. He admired Islam because it was a martial creed.
He said, “Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers…then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world.”
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He propagated a version of the Aryan Jesus who destroys the Jews. He epitomized the simmering, hidden hatred of the Jews among some European Christians with its long history of vicious Antisemitism.
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Actually, Hitler had nothing to say about an “Aryan Jesus destroying the Jews”. This is quite false. Citations, please.
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He might not have been a believer of Christ but he certainly gave expression to the general hatred of the Jews among Christians, in the past, who blamed the Jews for the death of Jesus.
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It is true–obviously–that antisemitism was rife in Germany. But no–Hitler never appealed to Christians believing that Jews killed Jesus.
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But little did Hitler know that recent research has revealed a trace of Jewish and African ancestry in his bloodline.
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Everyone on earth is related to everyone else. The idea–often bandied about–that Hitler hated Jews because he was secretly Jewish himself has generally seemed pretty shaky.
Of course, he was not exactly the blond Aryan ideal type–but that was obvious.
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And he used the techniques of the Armenian Genocide, not as a secret way of following Islam but as an efficient way of killing Jews.
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I never said he was secretly following Islam–but he admired Islam’s committing genocide against anyone who was not part of their totalitarian vision.
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He might not have been a practicing Christian but he was a Jew hating European Christian at heart.
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Wait–he was not a practicing Christian, and he despised Christianity and all its teachings–but he was somehow a Christian at heart?
This is about as much logic as we usually get from Muslim apologist Chand.
Notice, also, that Chand has nothing negative to say about either Hitler or murderous Muslim antisemites. No surprise there.
Alien Republican says
Other have given you more attention than you deserve. Still, let me add that if muslims hat even remotly been loyal to their spanish king they never would have been expulsed for good.
All that is negativ in southern europa can be linked to islam. Even the brutality of the conquistadores, the depravity of “count Dracula”. Sicily under norman rule was a far more tolerant society than andalucia.
Rarely says
Nour.
Your posts are very enlightening.
Enlightening in the sense that we get to see first hand the bigotry and ignorance that you and people like you bring to the table. It is difficult to imagine anyone with an IQ over 10 believing one word of your historical revisionism, non-sequitur ramblings and incomprehensible logic, or lack thereof.
Your “stuff” is too stupid to refute.
You have a place of honour with me — you are my ENTIRE argument to restrict immigration.
Keep up the superbly poor work.
Julea Bacall says
I think you are right but this is the way they are taught. And they Believe that Allah really said these things because whole countries and all their ancestors said so and if they do not say so too, there is great Punishment. The terrorism of Islam is also against their people to keep them in line. Because if their own don’t punish diversity, Allah will on everyone…..they are told. Its control by fear and saying the same thing over and over and making everyone else say it too (or else). Islam hates diversity. I feel sorry for this person but no apology for a teaching that cannot be in USA. It just cannot be practiced here according to our laws.
Kepha says
You ask about the Spanish Inquisition. Maybe they learned something from their erstwhile colonizers.
Keep in mind that the Almohads and Almoravids of the Maghreb and Andalus were pretty good at the persecution game, too. The family of Maimonides left their rule in southern Spain in order to practice Judaism–and may well have left as forced converts to Islam.
Further, Babur boasted of massacring tens of millions of Hindus in his conquest of northern India. Some suspect it was merely empty boasting, but what kind of civilization is it that encourages boasting in such destructiveness and would think it makes a ruler look good?
Not too long ago, we also had the horrors perpetrated against the Anatolian Greeks, Armenians, and the Assyrians by both the Ottoman state and its successor in the Turkish republic. In our own times, we see the continuing diminution of the Christian populations of the Middle East, with only Israel seeing an increase in its Christian population. Before that, we saw the Mizrahi Jews eradicated from the Middle Eastern Landscape–with the land of Iraq, where as late as the 1940’s a quarter of the urban population was Jewish, where some of the Old Testament prophets are buried, and where the Talmud was compiled, now Judenrein. It is no wonder that one point on which both Moshe ben Maimon (Mainmonides/Ramban) and his opponents Nahman and Abrbanel were agreed was that none had been crueler to the Jews than “the children of Ishmael”.
And what of Africa, where as soon as the British and French “imperialist” yoke is removed, slave hunting and trading re-appears all across the zone where Islam meets the non-Islamic Dar-al-Harb? Indeed, for all the nonsense that American school kids are taught about the “pride and dignity” which Islam lends to the black man, we see the slave markets reopening even in Libya; we saw Sudan torn apart because of the oppression of the Christian and animist south by the Islamic north, and now horrors going on all across the Sahel.
FYI says
1.If islam is such a peaceful religion HOW and WHY did allah completely miss the two chief commandments?
“the whole law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets depend on them”
Matthew 22 v 40
Yet they are completely missing in the “perfect” koran{a book which also contains theological errors,in particular allah’s epic failure to understand the theology behind the Trinity resulting in 1.the ludicrously mistaken belief that it is some kind of polytheistic system and 2 {note if you are Christians} allah doesn’t know what the “Holy Spirit” is….which explains WHY the “perfect” koran has more theological holes in it than a Swiss cheese.
How could allah have missed “The whole of the Law”?
In fact,allah,apart from preaching hatred and violence towards non-muslims in his commandment-of -God violating “holy” koran says:-
“Oh ye who believe!take not the Jews and Christians for friends”
koran 5 v51
Who needs the 2 chief commandments of God{the basis of Judaism and Christianity}when allah himself couldn’t be bothered with them??
Why does allah not subsribe to the chief laws of God?Because of the warped islamic supremacist belief that allah and muslims are superior to the True Judeo-Christian God{of Moses,of Jesus}.
allah has no need for the Chief commandments:they are formally found(and scripturally recorded) in Judaism AND Christianity but… nowhere in islam.
Thus,the antiChristian,antiJewish,islamic, koranic false god of hate,allah ,does not appear to get the point of the 2nd Chief commandment!!
2.As for your “prophet”;what part of FABRICATED,AGAINST GOD and WORDS HE HAS NOT SPOKEN do you not understand in al tabari 6:111??
“I have FABRICATED things AGAINST GOD and have imputed to him WORDS HE HAS NOT SPOKEN”
mo the perfect man {admits to being a false prophet}
al tabari 6:111
mo admitted to being a FALSE PROPHET:can muslims not read?
3.since the allah of the koran 1.CURSES Jews and Christians koran 9:30 and 2 dismisses the role of the Jews 3 tells muslims they are free to break God’s Commandments and 4 Denies Christ then..
allah is NOT the Biblical God.
Some muslims can figure it out;you won’t …you silly woman…..
Julea Bacall says
i read his stuff. It really gives a different impression the way it is written and that is the truth. Nearly half million of your own Muslims and the Imams seem to read it as we see it, which according to you, is the wrong way. However THEY READ IT THE WRONG WAY and that is the fault of the way this book is printed. So many people (Muslims read it wrong) and do wrong things and the rest of us should not have to be hurt by a mistakenly worded so-call holy book. It has to be re-written so No More Muslims or Imams shouting sermons through bull horns, misleading other Muslims. I am not even talking about the violence of Jihad but also political jihad, teaching hatred to ‘the evil Jew’ as well as people from other religions or people with No religion by choice. All people have the right. You can say what you think is right for you BUT OT FOR US. We our voice i our own hears. Frankly, we believe yous is written wrong by warlords additions more interested in empires than Jibral (Gabriel). The Fact it that it is YOUR MUSLIMS causing Trouble because of your BOOK and what YOU call misunderstanding. SO FIX. TOO many seem to misunderstanding, IMAMS too who tell people its Allah command. FIX IT. Because we will not allow the Muslims who you say’misunderstand’ to do the things they are doing, OR allow Imams in Mosques read purposely misunderstood passages to incite. 1) Islam is not the only legit Abrahamic Religion. This is how Judaism came to be as the only world religion with one, instead of may Gds. It is THEIR history. But your book says Abraham was not Jewish but that he was Muslim of Islam. People of your book say they ow Own Abraham and all his Jewish historical sites. Its Absolute lie. Cut the anti-Semitic teachings. Stop the killing of Christians, Buddhists, Hindu,Yazidi, Sufi, Zoroastrian etc. and Burning their Churches, shrines, Synagogues! And you know this done.
Is it done from misunderstanding your Qur’an? SERIOUSLY. Is it all done because Muslims read it wrong? If Ishmael, being half Egyptian ,(not Arab or Persian) ever came to be related to the Arab Tribe of Mohammed he did not bring any religion.with him. Islam did not come for another 1000 years or more…. Supposedly Mohammeds visions did. But it is acceptable to say he was a relative. A BRANCH OF @ OTHER BRANCHES. and or Supremacist and no curses anywhere.. Allah/Gd is Not a magician who gives out curses (weather, earthquakes, disease, deaths in families are not Curses from Allah.2) add tolerance to other religions & people of no religion. It is their right. Absolute right and choice. FIX THE WAY YOUR QUR’AN/HADITHS ARE WRITTEN SO MUSLIMS, IMAMS,TEACHERS WILL NOT BE MISLEAD AS THEY ARE! Because they ARE and we can see why.Don’t tell us, TELL THEM
jewdog says
Sure, but those poor Muslims are always victims – of colonialism, racism, Islamophobia, hydrophobia, Republicans, Zionists, uppity infidels, and inadequate jizya – and victims are always afforded excuses. Claiming that you’re an Ambien victim just won’t do it. Guilty!
Keys says
Ironically and diabolically, Muslims like Nour are truly the victims of the “darkness-claiming-to-be-Light” of Mohammad, who claimed to get all his revelations from the greatest of deceivers. Indeed !
Now comes Nour, claiming to be light, hoping to accuse, cast doubt, and deceive for the sake of Mohammad’s Allah – so that all men and women submit and bow down to worship Mohammad’s Allah.
Be gone, Nour !
gravenimage says
+1
Julea Bacall says
If she means WE misread it. Look at how many millions of Muslims themselves misread it. How many Imams misread yet bellow sermon through bull horns. We cannot allow Muslims who misread it to do what they do ad incite in Mosques.
Poor lady knows it either must be rewritten so the average Muslims understands correctly OR may it is she who misunderstands and the book is exactly what it reads
Buraq says
The clowns at “The Independent”, a pulpit for Islam, ran the story with hysterical glee, as you might expect.
One Jew-hating poster on the thread below the article (ifonly) wrote: She’s Jewish, so it’s always someone else’s fault.
But “The Independent” has not removed the post, or others displaying similar hate speech.
Mark Swan says
Of course not Buraq—the we said so people have spoken and none of their yes people
can be found doing any wrong—that is that—right—C’est la vie.
Julea Bacall says
I read that some Saudi billionaire connected to a Saudi bank bought 30% of the Independent.
Henry Jones says
Im confused and forgive me if I read your post wrong, Mateen, but why were you “surprised by how quickly” Roseanne was cancelled. I get she is Left but its pretty commonplace that saying ANYTHING deemed offensive to muslims or blacks, even if you meant it a completely different way, folks are promptly fired, regardless of their party identity. So Im not surprised her show was cancelled immediately after this.
I only would have been surprised if she got in trouble for saying the same about republicans, whites, christians, jews, ya know, groups no one cares about. as someone else suggested.
Again, apologies if I misunderstood your post.
Mateen Elass says
Henry, my actual surprise had to do with “the speed and ferocity of condemnations issued, especially by the self-described ‘tolerant Left.'” I agree with Steve K. below that Roseanne’s comments don’t rise much above “speeding ticket level racism,” if I understand what that means correctly. As I mentioned in my piece, one can hear much more vicious and venomous speech on middle/high school campuses any day of the week. Yet I admit I was also surprised at the speed with which ABC dumped her — in my experience it is rare that a major corporation can move so quickly, unless they are already poised to let the axe fall, which, given their political proclivities, perhaps they were.
Ashley says
Ms. Barr, like many celebrities, has a history of outlandish behavior. Her 1990 rendition of The Star Spangled Banner comes to mind…
ABC should not have axed the show over this. Let her viewing audience be the judge. If the show’s ratings tank, so be it.
Social media is dangerous turf. A moment of impulse in sending out a Tweet can wreck havoc.
If the reports that she was under the influence of Ambien are true, I feel for the woman. My husband was prescribed Ambien for insomnia and tossed the pills after three nights of behaving like a raging lunatic with absolutely no memory of his insane conduct.
Honestly, I think we have far bigger and more dire matters to address. This is nonsense.
Julea Bacall says
Its true. And it has happened to so many people and causing car accidents etc. I do not know how they can keep Ambien on the market. (the power of the private Drug companies has to be broken)
Steve K says
I have to disagree in part — Roseanne’s comments were speeding ticket level racism and not worthy of the foaming mouthed hysteria the left is exhibiting.
In a sane world Jarrett would have told Roseanne “you’re no beauty queen either” and it would have been done with. But we don’t live in a sane world, we live in a totalitarian leftist controlled world where every molehill that could be considered racial must be whipped into a frenzied hysteria mountain.. And it’s only getting worse by the day.
the other part is dead on though, of course the liberals are engaging in double standards as always. that’s their favorite two political weapons– accusations of racism and double standards. And they use them for power and control and to bully and silence people whenever they can
Stacy Girl says
If everyone knew the truth about slumlord Muslim VJ, nothing would be said. She occupies a high place in a low contingency of criminals. Thanks msm.
JawsV says
Is Jarrett a Muslim? Please provide proof. I couldn’t find anything about her being a Muslim.
gravenimage says
No, Valerie Jarret is not Muslim.
JawsV says
I didn’t think so, gi.
Granddaddy says
We all know what she meant, so there’s really no way to defend what she said. What interests me more is the swiftness with which she was condemned. She received a thousand tweets, at least, and her show was cancelled, all within two hours. I’ve never been a Roseann fan, but this doesn’t sound right. It wouldn’t surprise me to learn the Left and the Muzzies have a group of paid watchers on these so-called “social” sites, looking for anyone who opposes their agenda. And to cancel a TV show that’s doing well. It all sounds like payoff and collusion. If this were the UK, she would probably be in jail.
Ashley says
+1
I sort of liked Roseanne. The show touched on some hot-button issues.
All in the Family was so popular back in the day. Archie won over the bigots while Mike and Gloria were the liberal darlings.
I’m certain if the show had not been cancelled, Roseanne would have scripted a decent episode about this fiasco.
Roseanne’s trademark is crassness. Still, she usually had a message to convey.
I hope she finds a venue more tolerant than ABC. She should not be silenced over this.
Kepha says
All in the Family stank like a pigsty that hadn’t been cleaned out in ages–even if my dear mother loved watching it.
It was nothing but a sustained insult thrown at the blue collar American, and in its time, fed the prejudice that white blue collar people were incorrigibly racist and there was no hope for them. Worst of all, I remember some of my peers from nice, suburban communities thinking that Carol O’Connor was actually making an honest and accurate portrayal of the people who did the less pleasant work in our country.
Perhaps that show was the beginning of a disenchantment with the major media that grew and grew until, after I left the US State Department, it became an out-and-out mistrust and dislike.
Linda says
I don’t watch these shows, but when something like this comes up, I hear about them in the news. It’s clear that there is a double standard at work. Of all the obnoxious statements from Joy Behar, she has still not been fired from The View. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-abc-fire-joy-behar-from-the-view/
JawsV says
Nour — the first Holocaust occurred in 7th century Arabia when Muhammed killed (beheaded) all the Jews in Medina for not converting to Islam. In addition, the Moslems (Arabs/Moors/Turks) have been mass-murdering/raping/plundering since the 7th century. So, just can it with your “holier-than-thou” utter camel poop.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Jaws–there has been an ongoing Holocaust against Jews throughout the Muslim world. There are almost no Jews surviving in Dar-al-Islam today–just a small persecuted remnant in places like Iran and Yemen. Most parts of the Muslim world are completely Judenrein.
gravenimage says
Roseanne, Islamic anti-Semitism, and the West’s double standard
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Good piece by Mateen Elass.
Shmoovie says
Applause for the author for pointing out the hypocrisy, although the article sounds a bit confused. It’s hard to believe he is at all surprised by the “speed and ferocity of the condemnations” coming from leftists. Obviously the hypocrites are thrilled to pieces that this bit came from anyone even loosely associated with Trump/MAGA. Hasn’t Elass been around a group of lefty public tolerants who relax and show their nasty private colors, no Ambien necessary?
The PC in the statement “such pejoratives should never be thought, much less directed…” is irritating as well. People are going to think what they will, regardless of how it would sound if spoken.
VJ is one of the scarier ideologues behind BO, but now she’s been awarded Ultimate Victim status. Lefties will make sure she retains that honor.
Mateen Elass says
Sorry, Shmoovie, but I have to disagree with you on one point: “Such pejoratives should never be thought, much less directed…” is not PC pablum but rather common human decency, in my opinion.
topposter says
I don’t see what all the fuss is about, Roseanne is absolutely right, Valerie DOES look a lot like Charlton Heston.
Peggy says
Like this?
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=mXhyx3Mz&id=B84264A2267F5522C7A022656DCFCA6AF466668B&thid=OIP.mXhyx3MzijZnhmp1pwy7QAHaGJ&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2foriginals%2f99%2f78%2f72%2f997872c773338a3667866a75a70cbb40.jpg&exph=648&expw=780&q=Helena+Bonham+Carter+Planet+of+the+Apes&simid=607997234935103518&selectedIndex=6&ajaxhist=0
Peggy says
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=pNfsRN4v&id=C4B7BAE801310D5834C038F8D64714C8DF54FCE3&thid=OIP.pNfsRN4vDFt714O6tzt4WAHaD4&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2fcbsnews2.cbsistatic.com%2fhub%2fi%2fr%2f2016%2f05%2f20%2fd379ea25-0715-4459-8934-be105abd44b1%2fthumbnail%2f1200x630%2fde57702abda002beab2fa837248e860e%2fpreviewvj101066326640x360.jpg&exph=630&expw=1200&q=valerie+jarrett&simid=608010798436909716&selectedIndex=62&ajaxhist=0
topposter says
Is that Charlton Heston? No? Then why ask?
Peggy says
The similarity isn’t with Charlton Heston but the female character.
Logic&Reason says
That’s rich coming from the Religion of Jew-Hatred.
Here in Ontario, Canada…we have a left-wing leader in full support of a Muslima candidate who posted a Hitler Hero meme. Excuses, apologetics galore.
If the candidate in question was a white male, he’d have been turfed on the spot.
But we can’t have Islamophobia….whether Islam is the target or the perpetrator. They’re universal victims of oppression, don’t ya know…..
Let’s fire back at these Islamists with claims of “Infidelophobia” or “Kaffirophobia”….seeing as how we can pull up a ton of concrete examples from their training manuals. Actually, it’s worse than a “phobia”….it’s an outright divine order to kill or subjugate.
Why aren’t moderate Muslim groups overwhelming or drowning out their maniacal brethren? Same reasons the Left aren’t. FEAR AND COWARDICE.
Rob says
I don’t recall the leftist mainstream media like ABC being so quick on the trigger when Kathy Griffin expressed some truly awful ideas regarding President Trump. The double standards never cease.
Lebel says
“Barr’s “Planet of the Apes” allusion immediately reminded me of another instance where certain human beings are regularly regarded as sub-human by millions of other human beings, yet this reality hardly ever makes the news”
It’s Islam’s fault. They’re the real bad guys. Look there instead.
gravenimage says
Lebel is pretending that criticizing Jihadists’ raping and murdering us means that we regard them as less than human. This is, of course, false.
Mateen Elass says
Lebel,
Roseanne Barr is at fault for her own words and actions, for which she has already apologized. Islam is at fault for its own evils, which it consistently refuses to acknowledge, much less apologize for. If thoughtful. moral people have the right to criticize Barr for her slam of another person, they have infinitely more right to criticize a religion that demonizes not simply one person, but a whole race of people, and only because its founder became deeply anti-Semitic out of his own pretensions to power.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Malcolm, you are just a madman. Can you point at any living evidence of witness accounts on how God spoke to Jésus and moses apart from stories contained in mithraist Christian and jewish scriptures ,which are full of intepolations unlike the Quran recorded on the spot at the time of revelations and preserved until today ? the books of Hadith reported more than 300 miracles performed by prophet muhammad with witness accounts. If you reject muslim version of the stories on how God spoke to prophet muhammad, what better evidence do you have apart from stories contained in your mithraist Bible and Jewish scriptures ? Produce video and audio voices of those Eye witnesses Who witnessed jesus and moses talking to God. Ignorant fool !!
Malcolm (South Afric) says
Malcolm (South Afric) says Posted on the wrong thread.
Ibrahim it is a pleasure to hear from you, you make me smile. Is it possible for you to answer one of my questions?
May 30, 2018 at 6:00 pm
@ Ibrahim itace muhammed Ha HA Thanks for the compliment. Perhaps you should read the O/T. Supernatural signs are abundant with Moses witnessed by thousands, the cloud shielding God’s chosen people, the Jews who Islam hates and we Christians love and recognise their special status in the plan of God.
The parting of the Red sea, the feeding and the provision of water in the desert. Much more, will let others inform you.
Jesus miracles, to many to mention witness by thousands of people and in other cases by many. Jesus ascension into heaven, witness by the apostles, the transfiguration, witnessed by Peter,James and John..
Now tell me Ibrahim why do you stupid muslims kiss a black stone of the pagan gods before you. Some of you say that Abraham tied his camel there when he was to make a sacrifice.
The problem with that, Abraham had an ass not a camel and there was no wood in that God forsaken place in Mecca, it’s a sand pit with no ass there, except you muslims.
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Ibrahim itace muhammed says
malcolm, we cannot See the evidence on the Eye witness accounts you are braging. prove it
Kepha says
You prove that Muhammad ibn Abdullah wasn’t just a con man of the first waater.
Malcolm (South Afric) says
Very credible witness that were there at the time of the O/T & N/T, really can you name a credible muslim witness or a supernatural sign that muslims, mohammad can attest to. I have koran next to me I cannot find one, I have a bible next to me, I find many.
Mo is the only one to claim that he was a prophet without a credible supernatural sign and told you a lie about a stone that the whole world knows was worshiped by pagans and now even today, muslims kiss that germ ridden filthy black stone, So when muslims go to mecca the whole world laughs at you.
I laugh at your religion and your Fake prophet, I know many sincere muslims come to this site to look, and know what I say is true. Thanks for the opportunity to reach out to your brothers and sisters.
gravenimage says
By the way, Ibrahim itace muhammed is mistaken in his belief that the Qur’an records on the spot eyewitness accounts. Instead, Muslim scholars claim that the Qur’an existed in its current form from the beginning of time in paradise. Why is he so ignorant?
Malcolm (South Afric) says
Name the miracles of Mo in the koran, here is your opportunity. Embarrass us who laugh at your muslims silly stories, your prophet was dreaming or sleepwalking, if God only spoke to him when he was sleeping. How did he manage it with all his wives and slaves, hopping from one bed to the other. Where did God have the opportunity to speak to him while he was sleeping.
Mo had things on his mind, other than God. Things like Zeids wife.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
malcolm, how and when jesus became Godman and begotten son of God ?
Kepha says
He rose from the dead on the third day. Mohammad is still in a grave in Medina awaiting the resurrection and judgment with the rest of the dead.
Mateen Elass says
Oh, my, Ibrahim! Do you believe in the tales of men found in the Hadith rather than in the “completely inspired Qur’an”? Allah makes it perfectly clear in Suras 13:8, 29:48-49, 6:37, 7:204, etc. that Muhammad was not given the ability to perform any miracles. My personal favorite is Allah’s decree concerning his prophet, “Nay, but thou art only a warner” (13:8).
So, which is true: the Hadith, which claims many miracles for Muhammad, or the Qur’an, which in the “literal words of Allah” declares that Muhammad manifested no signs? It can’t be both. Perhaps if you stick around this site long enough, you’ll discover the true answer: Neither.
Malcolm (South Afric) says
Oh dear, where in the world is Ibrahim, he could not substantiate a single question, Ibrahim is not to blame it’s the ecosystem he has been brought up, hopefully he gets the point of the inconsistencies in the Koran and the hadiths and that his prophet was nothing more than a murderous twat , not to mention thief, pathological liar.
Your prophet told you not to do anything without witnesses” (2:282) Yet he had no witnesses to God giving him the koran. Yet muslims except muhammad and a book without any witnesses, Ding dong contradiction.
Your prophet told you that four wives were enough for you but for muhammad 15 wives including a 6 year old child, his daughter in law, and slaves apparently his god told him this while he was sleeping. Ding dong, no witnesses, contradiction. Can muslims be so brainless to believe the rubbish they learn and teach.
Come back Ibrahim. we miss you.
shoehorn says
Should scientists who classify humans as apes also be pilloried by conscientious, ethically-minded Westerners who don’t want to be charged with hypocrisy?
https://twitter.com/pzmyers/status/989608121986420737
Malcolm (South Afric) says
@ Ibrahim itace muhammed Ha HA Thanks for the compliment. Perhaps you should read the O/T. Supernatural signs are abundant with Moses witnessed by thousands, the cloud shielding God’s chosen people, the Jews who Islam hates and we Christians love and recognise their special status in the plan of God.
The parting of the Red sea, the feeding and the provision of water in the desert. Much more, will let others inform you.
Jesus miracles, to many to mention witness by thousands of people and in other cases by many. Jesus ascension into heaven, witness by the apostles, the transfiguration, witnessed by Peter,James and John..
Now tell me Ibrahim why do you stupid muslims kiss a black stone of the pagan gods before you. Some of you say that Abraham tied his camel there when he was to make a sacrifice.
The problem with that, Abraham had an ass not a camel and there was no wood in that God forsaken place in Mecca, it’s a sand pit with no ass there, except you muslims.
Carolyne says
And the big black rock is a meteorite. I suppose I’d worship it too if it missed me.
Japetto Danatelli says
The left always puts a racist spin on everything we say about islam and muslims. I’ve used that specific ape analogy a half dozen times in the last 10 years, I’ve never thought it was racist to do so. To me islam is profoundly ignorant, only people with the mentality of apes would accept it as divine truth, that’s what I’m trying to convey with that. You may think it’s a lousy analogy, but too bad. Their “religion” says the most vile things about us unbelievers–threatening, mean, hateful–so I feel no compunction about calling attention to it with cursive analogies or sarcastic humor. This would be the perfect time for Roseanne’s critics to look at what islam says about us “infidels” to put things in proper perspective. But will they? No, never; it’s a religion of peace even though it condones murder, slavery, and supremacist hate.
I won’t feel guilty for trash-talking ignorant and hateful ideas. It’s like satire to me, dark humor, for the purpose of elucidating truth. If anything on this planet deserves harsh criticism, it’s islam.
Don’t stop talking Roseanne. Your 1st Amendment rights are worth far more than their hurt feelings.
O Prophet! strive hard [Jihad] against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them… allah, god of the muslims.
JEFFREY B says
I’m sick and tired hearing about racism. If you really love free speech in comedy, then Roseanne deserves support.
Roseanne is a comedian, well known for her outrageous and offensive language. Other comedians coming before her outraged society too. Take Lenny Bruce, the patron saint of the comic left. He outraged conventional society with his attacks on God in general and Catholicism in particular. He was persecuted for his antics by Catholic District Attorneys on obscenity charges and died sick and broke.
Where are all the free speech zealots who worship Lenny Bruce for his relentless defense of free speech at any cost and no matter who it offends? None have come to Roseanne’s defense. Why? Because Roseanne dared to attack the God of the left. Namely Barack Hussein Obama and the sacred cow of black sainthood. Valerie Jarrett, who I don’t know much about, is a proxy for Obama and the saintliness of blacks.
Japetto Danatelli says
It’s all part of the left’s attack on free speech. They want us to be too afraid to be funny, or truthful, or insightful, or caring, with our words. That way they can promote their multicultural insanity without opposition. Every time they call us racist or islamophobe or bigot for speaking about the criminality of islam they do far worse than what Roseanne did here. The left’s modus operandi does not include moral or ethical checks and balances when it comes to islam. Truth has no bearing on their deviant agenda. They are shilling for islam in the name of multiculturalism and the consequence will be more terrorism, more loss of freedom, and the destruction of our culture. Their supremacist aims are immoral and unpatriotic in the extreme, and we must fight them with all we got.
Mark Swan says
Absolutely JEFFREY B and Japetto Danatelli ,
Right now—we are so close to allowing legal weight to
politically correct thinking—laws based on whims rather
than reason or necessity.
No, we must not let them bully a whole Nation into following
what will strip everyone of the individuality and freedom that
make life real and right.
Lydia Church says
I honestly have not dug into this item as I am so busy. I do know that almost every time she opens her mouth, a brick falls out and does some damage…
but whatever.
But there is a double standard for sure!
Zachary Workman says
Rosanne will surface somewhere. I plan to support her wherever she shows up. Talent has many fans.
Unbeliever1 says
I think Roseanne’s ‘rant’ was more of a political nature than racist.More like a dig at the left and political correctness.
Joy says
Only one quibble with your assessment of the hypocritical situation of comparing Roseanne’s offensive comparison of Valerie Jarrett to the equally offensive views of Muslims vis-a-vis Jews, and that is that Jews are NOT “a race.” You rightfully pointed out the hypocrisy of “one religion which tars & feathers a whole race of people” (by which, of course, you’re referring in the first instance to Muslims and in the second instance to Jews, but certainly on cannot paint Muslims in such broad strokes. You might have used the words, “a whole nation of people” (commonly used) or just “a people.” Even “a whole religious group” would be more accurate. So far as I’ve ever learned, the three (3) major human “races” are Negroid/African, Caucasian and Asian/Oriental. Jews, in fact, can be found among all the major racial groups.
souare says
That 3-race thesis is just nonsensical. What is “Caucasian”? A nonsense term concocted by a some pseudo-anthropologist named Blumenbach. Traipsing around in the Caucaus mountains he found a skull that HE thought as perfect and presto, the “Caucasian” race was conjured up. Just very bad science by this German charlatan. The same nonsense talk for the other 2 races.
Kepha says
19th century Germany, especially its learned men, produced a lot of very bad ideas that are still with us, and still doing damage.
Indiana Tom says
I thought the whole comment was funny.
Waterdog says
It was hilarious! The media couldn’t stand it because the truth hurts.
Chand says
Keeps happening here. Whenever someone does something wrong ALL Muslims are guilty of something else. So if Rosseane makes a racist comment Muslims and liberals have to feel guilt and remorse for anti Jewish verses in the Koran. The victim has to apologize . Wow! Great work , Mateen
Mateen Elass says
Chand, as I wrote in a reply to Lebel above:
“Roseanne Barr is at fault for her own words and actions, for which she has already apologized. Islam is at fault for its own evils, which it consistently refuses to acknowledge, much less apologize for. If thoughtful. moral people have the right to criticize Barr for her slam of another person, they have infinitely more right to criticize a religion that demonizes not simply one person, but a whole race of people, and only because its founder became deeply anti-Semitic out of his own pretensions to power.”
Muslims should feel shame/guilt not because of what Roseanne Barr said, but because of the anti-Semitism and other hatred that is contained in their Qur’an. But that is another topic.
My piece was not written to Muslims but to hypocritical Westerners who gleefully trashed Roseanne Barr for the perceived evil of “racism” because of her linking Jarrett to the Planet of the Apes, but who remain staunchly silent when Muslims openly and commonly refer to the Jewish people as “descendants of apes and pigs.” Is that so hard to understand?
Mark Swan says
Chand, Maybe, even, Roseanne Barr does not know what she meant
by her off the cuff remark—however it is evident that she is rightfully
against Islam and that is what bugs you—right.
gravenimage says
Chand wrote:
Keeps happening here. Whenever someone does something wrong ALL Muslims are guilty of something else. So if Rosseane makes a racist comment Muslims and liberals have to feel guilt and remorse for anti Jewish verses in the Koran. The victim has to apologize . Wow! Great work , Mateen
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What teachings does Roseanne embrace that taught racism? None, that I am aware of.
What teachings do Muslims embrace that teach the oppression and murder of Jews? They are endless. How many pious Muslims reject them? None.
Julea Bacall says
All too true about the Qur’an and that it is still taught as the Word of Allah Today BUT it has also way way too often that people have called blacks Apes all during USA history. (I do not know of other histories but Arabs saw them a slaves from way back too) Its kind of playing dumb to say anything about apes and blacks in the same sentence. Everyone knows the association. Even little kids know the association. Please lets not pretend otherwise and just apologize, stop doing it and move on. Jokes on peoples looks is called bulling and to put it on TV is like normalizing it or saying its OK. It isn’t. And Neither is the Qur’an OK to be read in Mosques or supported as being an OK ‘religion’. Can’t we all be together on this demonizing, discriminatory bigoted stuff? Its more powerful if we are all together against bigotry of all kinds.
Waterdog says
I don’t remember anyone being fired for derogatory commenting about Sara Huckabee Sanders’s looks. ABC is run by far left reprobates. The Dungey heifer that cancelled Roseanne is the same beast that cancelled “Last Man Standing” because it did not fit in with their changes to their Friday night lineup. God send confusion to these execs so that all their decisions are wrong and the network loses money.
BrianH says
Chand, I’m not understanding your comment. The left has been apologizing for the atrocious words and deeds of Islamists for years. No one on this site has demanded they do so. We are only pointing out the double standard which people like you seem to be blind to.
Mal Feesence says
I was never a fan of Roseanne Barr…I’ve never watched any of her shows, (but I saw her very first TV appearance on the Johnny Carson show!) For close to nine years I’ve banished the democrat indoctrination services (AKA network TV) from my life…today, however, I’m a huge fan of Roseanne. Irregardless of whether or not jarrett (and obama) are/were actual ‘card-carrying’ muslims, their actions and words and everything about them supports/supported muslims to the detriment of every American and in particular every Christian, white American.
Both jarrett AND her…puppet? disciple? lapdog?…obama, (and most in that revolting so-called administration) were and still are, foaming-mouthed racists and bigots and anti-semites and the fact that a person with some public recognition AND someone who KNEW that the (phony, exaggerated) leftists outrage would be immediate, is willing to put herself out there, is deserving of OUR thanks and respect.
762x51FMJ says
Roseanne tweeted that she wished Conservative Christians would die of cancer if they ate at Chick-fil-a restaurants, ABC network then approves the new Roseanne show allowing her to portray a controversial conservative Trump supporter..
to fool conservatives to tune in to watch..making it the highest rated show
(According to ABC poll)…
. Then In a massive virtue signal roseanne commits political suicide to insult all Conservatives who were fooled into tuning to ABC and believeing the Rosanne Barr was any different then Rosie Odonnell with a mask…
While simultaneously boosting the Marxist Leftist base of ABC they sacrificed Leftist Marxist Roseanne for a reason… pushing the victim status of a very important person being groomed by the ABC and their minions the Democrats..(Swamp )
Democrat nominee for President in 2020…Valerie Jarrett…
Mateen Elass says
FMJ, since Valerie Jarrett was born in Iran, not on US soil, even though both parents were American citizens, there is some question as to whether she would meet the presidential qualification as a “natural born citizen.” Apparently the Supreme Court has never adjudicated the meaning of that phrase, so the Democrats would want to clarify that before putting her forward….Perhaps someone more knowledgeable on presidential politics could shed some light on this? Just curious.
Carolyne says
Valerie Jarrett was born in Iran of African-American parents. As such she cannot be President, although being born in Kenya didn’t stop Obama
That aside, I wonder if the person who stated above that Jarrett is not a Muslim can point me to his source of that bit of information. I don’t know if she is Muslim or not but I wonder how a foreign born person can achieve such power as she had.
Nanette Rayman says
Nour,
you ignorant slut: hitler was IN CAHOOTS with ilan halimi – MUZ
and just because hitler was in europe, it doesn’t mean that muz haven’t murdered Jews since moohamhead had a bad dream…..they are still killing Jews.
as for Roseanne: she spoke TRUTH..Jarrett is part of muz brotherhood and she does look like an ape…so do many people, some people look like pigs, like many muz
and what about Columbia and other university professors who scream about killing Jews? How is that “allowed?”
JARRETT is part of Omuzma’s cache to take America down..so on the face of that alone, she is a pig or an ape or a snake.
An iranian who helped omuzma with iran deal that would destroy Israel.
Roseanne should not have been fired or else fire: all university professors who scream about killing Jews and the lie that Jews are behind all evil in the world.
UNCLE VLADDI says
Well, at least Roseanne Barr stuck to her guns, and admitted that Jarrett does look like Dr. Zera from the first Planet of the Apes franchise, and of course being an Iranian operative she’s on par with ISIS: http://apemania.com/MakeupRoom/Michelle7.jpeg
Bezelel says
Does anyone remember the Chimp Channel?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9hwZotllHc
Better check it out before it’s banned
Carolyne says
I thought Ms Barr’s comment was silly but I recognize her right to say it and anything else she wishes to say without the fear of losing her livelihood. That’s what isn’t fair.
Mark Swan says
Absolutely Carolyne.