Al-Azhar didn’t react positively, either. Yet neither Al-Azhar nor Turkey’s EU Affairs Minister Ömer Çelik acknowledged that anything in the Qur’an could be used to incite Muslims to violence, and that is the core of the problem. Pretending it doesn’t exist won’t make it go away, or obviate any need to deal with it.
“Turkey slams French figures demanding change in Quran,” Hürriyet Daily News, May 6, 2018:
Turkey’s EU Affairs Minister Ömer Çelik on May 6 slammed a French manifesto proposing the removal of some verses from the Quran, saying those 300 prominent French figures demanding the changes were as “bigoted” as members of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) who infer violence from the holy book, state-run Anadolu Agency reported.
“This is the most striking example of intellectual violence and barbarism. Whoever these people are and whatever they have been doing up till now, they will be written at the beginning of the history of bigotry,” Çelik said on Twitter.
“Barbarism is intellectually and politically centered in the modern world,” he added.
Çelik drew parallel between the “barbaric and immoral” proposal and the ideology of ISIL.
“They could not tell in a better way that they are the closest ideological relatives of Daesh. But this approach, which will be the subject of political psychiatry, reveals how barbarism has risen in the midst of Europe, and how this mentality, at least as dangerous as Daesh, keeps itself behind certain concepts,” he said, using the Arabic name for ISIL.
“These are the most dangerous ones; those who conceal themselves behind an intellectual and political image. This is the mentality of those who are so-called anti-violence, but in fact they worship the bigotry and violence. These 300 French figures are the same as Daesh which infers violence from the humanity’s guide Quran,” Çelik added….
Linda says
They should reform Islam so that it is compatible with the civilized world or we should ban Islam from the West until they do reform it.
Eur says
Islam already had its reform … it is called Salafism. Nothing good can ever come out of Islam, it is irreformable in a good way.
gravenimage says
True, Eur.
mortimer says
Seconding Eur. Wahhabism is the equivalent of Lutheranism.
The Turks and Al Azhar both know that too.
They are shovelling mountains of hot, steaming TAQIYYA.
Save Europe says
Totally correct. Islam has, and IS continuing to regress.
Malcolm (South Afric) says
It should be just called the Qur’an : no Holy before it, as it definitely is not holy.
Mohammad: should never be called a prophet: he never made a prophecy.
Peace be upon him: that should stay, where he is, his tormented soul needs all the peace it can get. In my opinion, for him there cannot be peace, however it is gracious thing to say.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Linda, you cannot do that because it is not your evîl satan god you Call holy spirit spirit who created the soils in the west. confine your rascality to your book of confusion the mithraist Bible .Quran can never be alter to accomodate paganism ànd western beast way of life appearing half-naked líke monkeys producing horrible bad smells. Idiots!!
Linda says
Ibrahim, you are saying what I expect a Muslim to say…that the Quran can not be reformed. Assuming that is the case, then Muslims should be confined to Muslim countries and Christians, Jews and other religions should be confined to their own countries so that there will be no conflict. Muslims would still be free to practise Islam, but would not be allowed to wreak havoc on the rest of humanity.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Linda, you cannot dictate that because the true creator of the soils in the west never made It exclusive for filthy mithraist christianity. You are merely expressing wishful thinking. A fool!!
Rarely says
There he is again: My ENTIRE argument to restrict immigration.
(thanks to Groucho Marx)
Linda says
As one of Ibrahim’s “half-naked” “monkeys”, I’m left wondering why Muslims want us to believe that they refer to us as “People of the Book”.
mortimer says
Ibrahim underlines and CONFIRMS as accurate all the criticisms of Islam written in JihadWatch. Islam is a BRONZE AGE DEATH CULT bent on ARAB RACIAL SUPREMACISM and MISOGYNY.
Ibrahim understands and endorses the preceding message.
Carol the 1st says
He popped out like a Jack in the Box! Linda should be on some Immigration Committee!
Save Europe says
I just think most non Muslims would like to see the evil segments of your demonic book, purged of the verses which calls for the murder/rape of non Muslims. Is that a problem for you, you evil pillock?
tim gallagher says
Well said, Save Europe. I like how you turn it back on this Muslim Ibrahim, “Is that a problem for you?” That is the loathsome mentality of islam. And, as gravenimage, mentions, we’re not even supposed to fight back. How dare we fight back, right, is the disgusting mentality of Muslims.Well, to hell with that. As far as I’m concerned, Ibrahim, Islam has declared war on all of the non-Muslims of the world (all 3.5 billion of them, compared to the 1.5 billion Muslims) and I’m very pleased to go to war with islam and see it eradicated . If only we could all, Buddhists, Christians, etc., could get our act together. It would be such a better and more peaceful world. That’s indisputable. It’s been such a violent curse afflicting the world for 1400 years.
Carol the 1st says
Ibrahim just wants what’s best for the world. Since all of us our born muslim what he really means to say is a heartfelt “Come home to Papa!’?! Isn’t that right Ibby?
gravenimage says
What Ibrahim itace muhammed is doing here is claiming that Muslims have the right to conquer every part of the world, and that Infidels have no right to resist. Muslims can conquer us, steal our wealth, and enslave us. This is what Islam teachers.
Linda says
As per usual for a Muslim, he has not progressed further than the 7th century a.d.
gravenimage says
True, Linda.
Linda says
Ibrahim, let me remind you that religions are called “faiths”. They are called that because, at the end of the day, no person or people can scientifically prove any of them. To say you believe in a certain religion, is only to say that you put your faith in it, not that you scientifically know it to be true. Until such time as we all know for a scientific fact who the real God is, we need to come up with a humane solution to the problem of people who would kill other people on the strength of religious belief alone. Separating Islam and its followers from people of the world who do not wish to follow Islam is about the best solution I can humanly come up with.
mortimer says
Linda, kindly take note that ‘DEEN’ (commonly translated as ‘religion’) does not mean ‘RELIGION’ per se. ‘DEEN’ is a cognate of ‘dan’ in Hebrew meaning ‘a judge’. ‘DEEN’ actually means GOVERNANCE or a SYSTEM OF LAW.
In Islam, ‘DEEN’ is a set of rule governing the world…SHARIA LAW.
ME-DEEN-A is Mohammed’s center of governance or the CAPITAL CITY of the Islamic Arab Racist Empire.
You are welcome. Any time.
Linda says
Hi Mortimer, Thanks for that. I was just pointing out to Ibrahim that no one can know for a scientific fact that their religion is correct. Everyone can only believe by faith, (and that includes Muslims). You mentioned the centre of governance in Saudi Arabia, so this is another thing: I have no knowledge of any other religion that has an entire political/military system tacked onto the religion itself. Islam is the only such religion.
Mark Swan says
Islam is incased with ordinance and social law—rationalizing will not make it anything but Islam.
Fourteen Hundred Years of acceptance and application has prove it to be what it is—Islam.
Islam is a militant proselytizing political Ideology.
Linda says
I agree.
Mark Swan says
“proved”
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Inrahim itace muhammed,
The Qur’an has already been changed sometimes as we can see with the Sanaa manuscript, so why we do not change it again and throw away some verses in the trash? it’s not rocket science, even a nine old child can understand this : the quran must be changed and that’s all that matters.
Linda says
If they don’t want to change it, then we need to deport Muslims to Muslim countries where they can live under their precious Sharia law and be done with them.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Ibrahim is not a trustworthy person, I have proved that Christianity is not Mithraism, that quran has been change and he ignores it. Many Muslims are not as obtuse as he is, and no one can achieve the impossible.
Linda says
Thanks.
J D S says
Ibrahim should be ignored by everyone on JW but he is wrong and eventually the Koran and hadath sand all the unGodly teachings of Islam will be legislated out of existence by the western world and outlawed forever and hold outs will bend with the wind or suffer the consequences….ISIS and groups like it are bringing the death of Islam instead of expanding it..Oh for “a time” things may be looking up for Islam but like all who try to overthrow peaceful and Godly nations they will die trying. Time is on the side of the faithful of God..not your allah…Satan..If one can’t see Satan at work in Islam then one is blind and unless they repent they will join muhammad (if he ever actually existed, No Historic Proof that he did) in that awful Lake of Fire, unless they repent.
tim gallagher says
I agree, Linda. Islam won’t change its barbaric core texts with the clear calls for murderous violence against non-Muslims, so, as you say, Islam needs to be kept out of all non-Muslim nations for the protection of non-Muslims. It truly is them or us when it comes to Islam. Islam is totally incompatible with our values and is a clear danger to us all. And our useless political leaders should realise this. Only the Hungarian, Czech and Polish political leaders seem to have the right idea so far along with Wilders, Le Pen, et al. I wonder if some nations can’t shut Muslims out because they do need oil from the Middle East and, I guess, a ban on Muslims might result in an oil boycott. I do wish Islam would be banned from all non-Muslim countries. It presents a huge risk to us all wherever it is allowed to go. As you say, they won’t reform Islam, so we should ban it. It’s the only answer that I can see.
Save Europe says
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Linda says
Tim, I think the governments are looking at the fortunes people like the Saudis have amassed from selling oil and they’re more interested in getting a cut of the fortunes rather than protecting their own people. There are other sources of oil in the world aside from the Middle Eastern sources and there are other fuels that we could be using, too.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Geologists have confirmed that over 80% of world oil deposits are located in muslim land and there is no alternative to and it is cost-effective . The fraudulent Petrodollar system giving apartheid evil united states double advantage is whithering away.
Linda says
Other lands have oil, too and there are other types of fuel that are as good if not better than oil. Oil in the Middle East will not last forever.
tim gallagher says
Ibrahim, yes the MUslims got lucky with all that oil, sort of like winning the lottery. There was no skill whatsoever involved in it, unlike the western world’s brilliant Scientific Revolution or Industrial Revolution. Just dumb luck on the part of Muslims. It’ll run out soon enough, or we won’t need Muslim oil at all anymore, then it’s all over for the Muslim world. They’ve got nothing else to offer. The wealth will run out soon enough,(especially the way the degenerate sheikhs throw money away on all sorts of self-indulgent crap) then it’s all finished for any power Muslims may have.
dan christensen says
According to OPEC and others, islamic oil reserves amount to roughly the same as reserves from the civilized world.
Furthermore are the western countries moving fast away from dependence of muslim oil – precisely because the islamic world is about to collapse from internal strife and extremely bad religious management.
When the Dollar-customers disappear from the eastern oilmarket, the islamic world automatically disappears with the Dollar. If islam wants to survive, it better have conquered the civilized world before. Without the petrodollars, islam is nothing.
Linda says
And that truly is a good thing.
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Geologists have confirmed that over 80% of world oil deposits are located in muslim land and there is no alternative to and it is cost-effective .
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Actually, Venezuela has higher oil reserves than does Saudi Arabia, and Canada has higher reserves than does Iran. Mexico and Russia have large oil reserves, as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves
More:
The fraudulent Petrodollar system giving apartheid evil united states double advantage is whithering away.
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About three days ago, Ibrahim itace muhammed said that the US dollar was now officially worth $0. Seems that Muslims ruin the US economy at least once a day, according to this Mohammedan.
tim gallagher says
Dan, what a wonderful thought that the Islamic world is about to collapse due to internal strife, etc. I hope that is correct. It would be such a better and more peaceful world if that occurred for all non-Muslims. Oh, except, of course for all the invading Muslim “refugees” that would then try to desert the sinking Muslim ship. Linda, I know that some countries have broken free of Middle Eastern oil. I hear that USA, with shale oil, has become independent of Muslim oil. A great thing to achieve. I live in Australia and, unfortunately, we seem to still get a lot of our oil from Muslim countries for whatever reason. Good information, gravenimage, about the other oil rich countries. Breaking free of Muslim controlled oil has to be a very important step for all countries.
Linda says
Tim, I’m in Canada and I know that we have oil right here in the country, but Trudeau’s Liberals don’t want to develop it. They’re sent at least 3 oil companies packing since they’ve been in power. The Liberals would prefer to get their oil from the Saudis and Middle East. (They’re helping their friends again and Canada be damned.)
tim gallagher says
Linda, in Australia’s case, I don’t think our governments have a malicious intent like you say Trudeau’s government does. I think that they just don’t see islam as an enemy the way that the awake and aware people here at Jihad Watch do. Occasionally, some politician will say that it is dangerous for our security to rely on middle eastern oil because of crises that might suddenly arise there, but not very often. Most of our politician still seem to think most Muslims are just fine and there’s no great problem with Islam. They’ve drunk the PC Kool Aid and haven’t yet woken up to the unpalatable truth about Islam. It seems to be a very widespread problem, this refusal to face the harsh truth. Is Trudeau’s opposition to using oil a Green policy thing?
Linda says
Trudeau would have everyone believe that developing oil fields in Canada is bad for the environment, but they still buy oil from places like Saudi Arabia, (and I wouldn’t think that’s good for the environment either). Trudeau is a globalist. He thinks Canada is a post-nationalistic country. He doesn’t bother to ask Canadians what they think because he’s a would-be dictator, too. All the world leaders know about all the Muslim attacks on their citizens. The only thing they intend to do is keep far away from any places that could be attacked themselves and to hell with the citizens.
tim gallagher says
I guessed that Trudeau’s opposition to developing the oil fields would be for environmental reasons. That’s what I thought Trudeau would be all about. I don’t follow what is going on in Canada that much. Most of the information I get about what’s going on there is from articles here in Jihad Watch, but Trudeau seems like a complete idiot to me. What led to him and his party being elected? I remember you had a Conservative leader, Chretien, I think it was, a while ago. In Trudeau, you’ve certainly got the handsomest leader in the world. He looks like a movie star, but seems completely useless. I hope his photogenic appearance and youth wasn’t a big part of his getting elected. That would reflect badly on the Canadian electorate. As you say, he is one of these troublesome globalists. Their attitudes do plenty of damage in the world. I like the Hungarian, Czech and Polish leaders, along with Trump. They are strong defenders of their countries. They’ve got some guts. Trudeau seems totally wishy-washy.
Linda says
Trudeau is totally sold out to the likes of Soros, the Iranian mullahs, and the Saudis. That’s what he is. The leader before him was Stephen Harper, a Conservative. He was an economist, very sensible and a stable leader. Now, we have this globalist dolt, Trudeau. I can’t even see where he’s all that handsome. I don’t find him appealing in the least. As for brains, I don’t think he has any. Period. Full stop.
tim gallagher says
A good summary, Linda. No doubt an accurate summary of Trudeau’s character or, rather, total lack of character. I’d forgotten Harper though I do remember him now that you mention him. I suppose the question is, why did the Canadians swing to the left from the stable and sensible Harper and put the clown Trudeau and his crowd in. I think our Prime Minister in Australia, Turnbull, is a similar type to Trudeau. Definitely has the globalist mentality and an instinctive leftie in everything he tends to do. It’s even weirder here, because he actually (somehow) is leading what is supposed to be our Conservative party (though they are called the Liberals, as opposed to the Labor party). Bizarre. Anyway, interesting comments from you about Canada. I notice a lot of stories here on Jihad Watch about how weak the legal system is in dealing with Muslim barbarians and their revolting crimes in Canada. I often think we’re just too nice and gentle in the western world in dealing with Islam and it just won’t work. The Muslims are barbaric scum and too many of us are just too nice to be able to deal with them. That’s why I say we have to keep Muslims out. It’s the only answer. Once Muslims are in our countries, it’s too late.
Linda says
Thanks, Tim! It’s very strange what passes for a Conservative in Canada these days. They’ve moved to sort of the centre politically and anything right of that is now “far right”. The Liberal Party used to be classical Liberal until Justin Trudeau’s father, Pierre started to run it, at which point, it became out and out socialist and still is today. Stephen Harper made sure we had laws to tackle terrorism, but Trudeau meddles in police investigations and court cases, stating publicly that he doesn’t want “extremists” in Canada, so then courts sort of water down any charges to make terrorism seem not to be terrorism to please the brat. (Politicians are supposed to stay out of police investigations and court cases unless of course, they’re dictators, so I guess Trudeau is a self-styled dictator.). Also, we in the West can be very proud of what we’ve accomplished. We even have civilized rules for fighting wars, for example, rules like the Geneva Convention. The Muslims must be laughing up their sleeves at how civilized we are, because in all our civility, they just think they’ll walk in and slit our throats if things don’t go their way. Our big mistake was thinking that everyone valued civilization as much as we did. Clearly, some don’t.
PRCS says
We’re not going to ban Islam or any other ideology.
That’s just not going to happen.
Game plan B?
Linda says
May I inquire as to why you believe so strongly that we are not? Game Plan B – I don’t know. Civil war, maybe?
mortimer says
WE ARE CALLED ‘BIGOTS’ if we even CALL INTO QUESTION ISLAMIC BIGOTRY.
In fact, Islam contains a NORMATIVE BIGOTED DOCTRINE called AL WALAA WAL BARAA … it is a form of ISLAMIC APARTHEID and HOSTILITY directed from Muslims towards the filthy KUFAAR … those whom Muslims are REQUIRED to HATE ‘for the sake of Allah’.
AL WALAA WAL BARAA is PURE BIGOTRY. Nothing but bigotry.
Linda says
Muslims are Nazis of the 21st Century.
J D S says
But…but…but..Linda…There are no tanks grinding their tracks in the streets, no aircraft engines whirring overhead, no bombs dropping on cities, no boots stomping in the streets, no people being dragged from their homes and shot or imprisoned…….Are we not a protective and defending people anymore. Are we to be taken over ft a sort of FEAR…political FEAR…..?????
WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY FACE TO FACE….and… WE ARE IT!
Linda says
Perhaps the globalist elites and Muslims are the enemy.
elee says
This is not an academic dispute about theology. Tayyip Erdogan and others (1) conduct black operations against Turkish expats who displease them; (2) publicly state that Turkish-appointed and paid imams are a continuing source of (hostile) intelligence about European countries; (3) publicly urge expatriate Turks to have many children and “never assimilate;” and (4) have recently stated that the Islamization of Europe is “inevitable,” and that Tayyip himself will be Caliph by 2023.
Imagine Pakistan with the means and inclination to subjugate the west. You’re talking Turkey, and it probably won’t get any better after the June 24 snap elections.
mortimer says
Thank you, elee. Most informative. Kindly keep such A-1 information coming for our enlightenment.
gravenimage says
Turkey: Those calling for Qur’an reform “worship bigotry and violence,” are the “same as ISIS”
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Just grotesque–as if removing the calls from violence and barbarism from the Qur’an are “intellectual violence and barbarism”. What ridiculous projection.
Now, admittedly, I don’t think that calling for Qur’an reform is the most fruitful approach–I’d just like the see the Qur’an become a relic of the past, with its calls for savagery generally ignored–but of course this is not apt to happen, either.
But the hysterical reaction from Muslims for this even being mentioned is very telling.
Carol the 1st says
I think they’re worried that “scolding” (blather) is no longer cutting the mustard. The Emperor is openly being accused of wearing no clothes. Swarms of bees soon to be released.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Carol.
mgoldberg says
“Those calling for reform as the same as Isis”…. projection is the simplest explanation.
The reality is that Islam is the doorway to Isis, and those who deny this, who refuse to see the homicidism
of Islam, of the teachings, and who refuse to demand and command a halt to such teachings of course will only refuse and can only refuse any discussion that in any way looks at, addresses, or takes a stance against the tyranny against others.
Which in and of itself is an obliqy to the source and sustenence of Islam.
Carol the 1st says
obloquy?
mortimer says
VEILED DEATH THREATS TO THOSE WHO CRITICIZE THE KORAN:
“This is the mentality of those who are so-called anti-violence, but in fact they worship the bigotry and violence. These 300 French figures are the same as Daesh which infers violence …”
That’s actually a death threat. Will the French intellectuals respond or run?
Carol the 1st says
Now that’s what you call blasphemy! – to equate Daesh with those who would oppose its deeds and premises!
Someone please ask Celuk to explain why no FATWA has been declared. Let’s jog our memories and remember the explanation – it is because Daesh/ISIL does NOT go against the doctrines of Islam and thus cannot be condemned. Only vague disapprovals are muttered in order to assuage and waylay the kafirs.
Georg says
He would know about worshiping bigotry and violence. What a dunce.
CogitoErgoSum says
The modern Quran need not have any parts of it deleted. The verses could simply be rearranged to make obvious the effects of abrogation and chronological disorder. Abrogation (Naskh) is a process recognized by Islamic scholars whereby a verse revealed to Muhammad later in time replaces a verse revealed earlier in time when circumstances were different concerning the survival and the spread of Islam. The abrogated verses are called Mansukh and the abrogating verses are called Nasikh. The Quran could be arranged in such a way that this process would be more readily apparent. Problem is Muslims can’t agree on the Mansukh and Nasikh verses (despite the Quran describing itself as clear and easy to understand). In addition, this rearrangement wouldn’t help show the “peaceful” nature of the Quran either since so many of the Mansukh verses were abrogated by the Verse of the Sword (Quran 9:5) which was among the last of Muhammad’s revelations and which states as follows:
“But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.”
The obvious conclusion in my mind is that the entire Quran is a piece of garbage promoting hatred and violence and every bit of it should be thrown out with the trash because, except for the encouragement of the followers of Islam to commit endless acts of violence towards those who reject the Quran, it brought nothing new to the world and is a completely unnecessary and useless book as related to the triumph of the peaceful nature of man over his violent nature.
See the link below for the list of abrogations according to WikiIslam:
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Abrogations_in_the_Qur%27an
mortimer says
“Fitnah is worse than killing” (Koran 2:191) … FITNA must be really ‘bad’, right?
And what is “FITNAH”. Fitnah is DISAGREEING OPENLY with Mohammed. That is the simplest explanation of Islam … disagreeing with anything that Mohammed said, wrote or believed.
Sharia law specifically command DEATH for those who publicly or privately criticize, mock or disapprove of ANY Islamic doctrine or figure.
The punishment of these blasphemers is DEATH.
The Turkish and Egyptian religious leaders now realize they must either gain concessions from western leaders, or they must call for a FATWA to give ordinary Mulims the duty to murder those who speak out and tell the truth about jihad.
JIHAD IS AGGRESSION directed against the KAFIRS.
This is to say that shirk (Polytheism) is more serious and worse than killing.”
St. Manuel II Palailogos says
The Qur’an is the apex of bigotry and violence.
Save Europe says
Bit of a Catch 22, which Turkey is arguing. Reform Islam by removing the nasty verses, and yet those who propose it, are apparently the SAME as those going along with the nasty, evil segments. Ironic.
gravenimage says
This is just projection on Turkey’s part.
Frankz says
Censoring the Quran sounds so much like ISIS. I suppose the basic idea is that ISIS slander the Quran by taking it literally and French intellectuals do violence to it by ignoring it. What you’re left with is Ömer Çelik and the presidential system of Islam which is the one true faith nobody can criticize without being in some way violent which of course is justification for violent reprisal.
The irony is Ömer Çelik is essentially legitimizing violence here in the same way ISIS did for Hebdo.
Sam says
I am from Turkey. Most of the Turks, like 90 percent or more, like this idiot, has no clue what their religion of peace is all about.
This is another clueless muslim. Ignorance makes them really dangerous to the western world. Just like our clueless liberals. That is why liberals and muslims get along very well for now.
Carol the 1st says
Jack Kennedy:
“Some see things as they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?”
Linda says
I think you’re right. Ignorance does make them dangerous. I don’t know which are worse…the Liberals or the Muslims. They make a fine pair.
Ren says
Those who suport islam or adhere to its tenants originated from Muhammad, a pedophile, a thief, a murderer and a terrorist are the “same as ISIS”.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
No amount of road signs could legitimise the illegal recognition of Jerusalem as capital of fascist evil zionist state
gravenimage says
Poor Ibrahim itace muhammed–always enraged when the Jews do not roll over for Jihad.
Save Europe says
I fail to see to the relevance of your post. That said, I fail to see the relevance of any of your past posts. However, I will give you immense credit for not using the word ‘mithraist’, which you always tend to do whilst espousing verbal diarrhoea.
gravenimage says
Ibby posted his comments on the wrong story–so they afre even more incoherent than usual.
mohamed bin kalb says
$uck on that, ibrahim.
allah is as strong as a wet noodle.
sidney penny says
“These 300 French figures are the same as Daesh which infers violence from the humanity’s guide Quran,”
Really?
Have they read humanity’s guide Quran to say this?
There is nothing in the Qur’an that could be used to incite Muslims to violence?
Why is Turkey still in NATO?
Matthieu Baudin says
Empty name-calling. Any discussion would centre on the texts in dispute. But the entrenched rule here seems to be ‘Don’t lift the lid on the contents of the Quoran’. Can anyone with a civilised bone in their body accept a blanket taboo on the examination of Islamic Scripture?
Japetto Danatelli says
If muslims truly lived for a “religion of peace” then they would welcome the change, they’d want to remove those verses that promote and glorify violence. But the obvious truth here is that muslims have had great success in conquering and controlling others through religious manipulation and violence. People tend to use what ever works, and for them religious chicanery with the threat of violence has been too useful to quit. We see the proof of this every day as western society buckles under the pressure, destroying all our hard won freedoms and happiness for islam’s 7th century barbarities. Europe and America can’t seem to deal with the threat because we’re too busy self-loathing to defend our own dignity and safety against islam’s religious perfidy. Islam doesn’t provide muslims with spiritual or moral knowledge of any value, it only provides them an excuse to kill and control others. Muslims aren’t “offended” out of religious sensitivity, they are offended because they want to be the only ones that offend. I hate islam. It’s a total fraud that glorifies bigotry and violence as divine truth, and the people who believe in it have proven themselves to be the scourge of humanity. We have every right to demand they remove the violence from their fake religion, those teachings are the ideological motivation for crimes against humanity. No longer should we be worried about offending muslims, instead we will help them know how to stop offending us. Only then can we live in peace together, after they find the courage to reject the immoral, bigoted teachings of their god and start living in tolerance. Until then they are the enemy to be defeated, that’s how I feel about it.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Japetto, you nothing wrong in mithraist christians colonising and depriving other nations and erasing the original inhabitants of Americas to settling there, all pursuant to obnoxious mithraist pagan bible commanding to kill those living with exception of shall girls to be kept as sex slaves.
Japetto Danatelli says
Are you still in here? I can only imagine how sick of you everyone is. I told you I wasn’t going to respond to your psycho-babble any more, your argument always consists of ignoring the good points of every one else. You’re a waste of time.
gravenimage says
Of course, Christians are not keeping sex slaves.
Ibrahim itace muhammed has affirmed that Muslims have the right to kidnap Infidel women in Jihad and use them as sex slaves, though.
And why not? This is just what the foul “Prophet” Muhammed did.
Save Europe says
If I had a ten pound note for every time you illustrated your inept knowledge of the English Language by overusing the word ‘mithraist’ constantly, I’d have more money than Bill Gates. Zzzzzzzz!
Carol the 1st says
Japetto…I think your post belongs on the next petition!
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
ignorant Dan, it means you don’t understand what is Petrodollar system. It simply means fraudulent arrangement by armed robber evil united states dictating that anyone who wants buy oil must pay in Dollar and Reserve be kept in the evil united states for the benefits of its economy. China, Russia, Iran ,Turkey and other nations are now staging exit from the fraudulent system that caused the value of Dollar to fall by 100%,which means the economy of the evil united states already in recesssion, is heading to full depression. The profile of debt of the evil united states is now 21 Trillion Dollars, more than the GDP by 3 Trillion Dollars, which means bankruptcy.
gravenimage says
The idea that oil reserves are kept in the United States is ridculous.
And this is the second time Ibrahim itace muhammed has bizarrely claimed that US dollar is now worth $0.
He has said that he is involved in helping the economy of some Muslim nation–now you know they are in trouble…
Linda says
LOL!
gravenimage says
🙂
Itinerant says
Utterly disingenuous from Çelik, unless he’s accusing every mosque in Turkey, which read out “conquest prayers” from the Surah al-Fath, the 48th chapter of the Koran, before the Turkish army attacked Afrin in Syria, an attack said to be “entirely unprovoked”.
According to Jihad Watch the Surah Al-Fath, among other things: “promises Muslims who wage jihad much material reward”.
When Boris Johnson tweeted, “Turkey is right to want to keep its borders secure”.
Guilo Metto says ‘The West gave the Turks a green light to massacre the Kurds’.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-slams-french-figures-demanding-change-in-quran-131400
And as yet more pesky French intellectuals observe, the Kurds in Afrin are natural allies of the West;
“Abandoning them would be an unforgivable moral error. The Kurds of Syria defeated the Islamists who have caused the worst attacks in our history. The Turkish-Islamist atrocities in Afrin do not promise anything good. …….”
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12257/kurds-turkey-betrayal
Itinerant says
Robert Spencer on the Surah Al-Fath read out in Turkish mosques.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/01/turkey-90000-mosques-pray-conquest-prayers-calling-on-muslims-to-be-ruthless-against-unbelievers
p.s typo above, Gatestone writer is Giulio Meotti.
gravenimage says
The Turks ahve been slaughtering Kurds for centuries. They don’t need the West’s permission to do this.
seabird says
After a Russian Mig was shot down and a Russian Ambassador was assassinated in Turkey, the Turks reconciled with the Russians by purchasing an S-400 missle defence system, a nuclear power plant and other trade concessions.
Shortly afterwards, the Turks invaded Syria attacking the Kurds (again).
The Afrin area in Syria was controlled by the Russians who withdrew their troops before the Turks invaded.
There were no American or “western” military assets in that Russian
“deconfliction Zone”.
I would blame the Russians and/or Turks but not the “West” for attacking the Kurds.
Prior to the Russia-Turkey “reconciliation”, the Turks were afraid to even fly over Syria let alone invade it.
gravenimage says
+1
Itinerant says
That of course should have read ‘Giulio Meotti’ says The West gave the Turks a green light to massacre the Kurds’, (not Guilo Metto, as in my typo above, I blame auto-spell, that’s my excuse and I’m sticking to it).
gravenimage says
They have certainly been supportin ISIS.