It is an integral part of the “Islamophobia” victimhood narrative that “Islamophobes” push a “conspiracy theory” that some Muslims want to take over the U.S. and impose Sharia. In this video there are numerous Muslim spokesmen saying exactly that. Are they all “Islamophobes”?
Terry Gain says
The background music is extremely annoying and will turn people off. I do not want to attend an unmusical rock concert even if it is telling the truth about Islam.
Terry Gain says
I sat through the whole thing despite the annoying music. It is very frightening and confirms what I have been saying for years. The soft jihad is much more powerful than violent jihad. Islam is fighting an ideological war against western democracies. The war is pretty much unopposed and Islam is on a path to prevail. 9/11 should have been a wake-up call. It wasn’t. George Bush thought the threat was terrorism. It isn’t. The threat is Islam.
Yohanan says
I agree that the background soundtrack detracts from the video’s subject of Islam’s spread in the west.
Why do news video try to be entertainment clips. Unfortunately here in Israel most commercial channel tv news use distracting background music. Is background music common in TV news elsewhere?
This film was produced by Israel TV Channel Ten news, a commercial channel. (That’s the Hebrew word “Eser” (10) in top right corner. The Bit Chute logo in top left perhaps added the subtitle translation.) The channel of the reporter is https://www.10.tv/Zvi_Yehezkeli
For that matter Spencer of JW could state source of the links in his informative posts.
Julea Bacall says
Yes, I saw that at the end. I wanted to show this to some of my left friends but then they will say it is just Zionist propaganda. But I wanted them to see it.
Vlad Tepes says
If anyone ever asks me again why we are losing this battle which we could so easily win, I will show them this post.
Clearly no matter how you explain the situation, what risks or expense you take to bring the truth to the masses so they may avert their oncoming catastrophe with knowledge, the people will find an imperfection in the packaging of the presentation of critical information such that they will refuse to take it in, and even discourage others from getting it.
Perhaps we deserve to lose.
Vienna_1683 says
The truth about Islam is -for the time being- served with an unpleasant music you can avoid; by doing so, however, you are making sure the delightful voice of muezzin will disturb our peace five times a day, we like it or not.
Darlene Johnson says
This is never reported on the mainstream media.
This story needs to be spread all over the internet since the msm won’t tell it.
Lebel says
” that some Muslims want to take over the U.S. and impose Sharia.”
There’s no doubt about that. But that’s not what you are saying.
People in your movement would never say “some” Muslims.
CogitoErgoSum says
Lebel, you mean some Muslims do not want to do what Muhammad said they must do? Then why do they remain Muslims (fear of death for apostasy, maybe)? They may not want to take over the U.S. today (they are too weak) but someday their children just might. It’s a long term project.
If they don’t want to do what good Muslims should do, why not either change religions or start a completely new religion that completely excludes all the violent things they say they don’t want to do. Find a way to neutralize all that violent talk from their scriptures.
CogitoErgoSum says
And another thing, people playing the poor helpless victim when they have the means to solve their own problem burns me to no end. And I especially get ticked off when someone bites the hand that feeds them. The most fragile and meek little Muslim woman can go to “infidels” and get help for her sick child hoping all the time that her child grows up to kill the children of those same “infidels” by blowing himself to pieces. That is despicable. Then she says, “That’s my religion. Would you betray your religion?” My answer is YES if it taught my children such evil as that.
Wellington says
Yeah, Lebel, but here’s what most of us at Jihad Watch know and that is that the so-called moderate Muslims who are not pushing Sharia in place of the Constitution would not lift a finger if the “more devout” Muslims accomplish their insidious goal.
As I have written before at JW, the so-called moderate Muslims are just about the most clueless, gutless and useless group of people on the planet and counting on them to help preserve freedom (Islam of course being a mortal enemy of freedom) is a fool’s errand. Thus, either you have Muslims in America who are pushing for Sharia or those who, while not actively pushing for it, will go along with it if it occurs.
In short, one way or another, Muslims in America are a menace. Clearly.
Wellington says
Pretty much agree, Jay Boo, though I think there are some Muslims who are ignorant of many of the tenets of their religion just as it is the case with followers (e.g. Christians) of other religions. But whether a Muslim knows that Muslims are to look upon non-Muslims with contempt, it doesn’t matter much because this is what Islam demands and, ultimately, an ideology must be judged by what it asserts and never by the fact that some adherents of that ideology don’t fully implement its tenets or don’t even know all of them.
Yokel says
@ Wellington
Keeping Muslims ignorant of their “religion” could actually be deliberate. After all you don’t want individuals “going Postal” when your plan is to expand you army greatly. It would just attract too much attention.
It can be seen that here in Britain the problem is not so much with the first or second generation immigrants who largely integrated with the indigenous population and were often productive citizens, but with the third generation (ie born in Britain of parents who were also born in Britain). They are the ones who start reading their Korans and are casting off the ignorance of their “religion” by taking the contents literally.
Lebel says
Firstly, I’m happy to see that you’re confirming the truth of my assessment (that most jihadwatch see ALL muslims as part of the same evil enterprise).
Second, you said:
“Yeah, Lebel, but here’s what most of us at Jihad Watch know and that is that the so-called moderate Muslims who are not pushing Sharia in place of the Constitution would not lift a finger if the “more devout” Muslims accomplish their insidious goal.”
I think we have enough evidence of the contrary.
1. When “more devout” Muslims attempt to push shariah in Muslim countries there is inevitably a backlash and sometimes civil war (see Algeria). Those are the “moderates” you despise so much (I contend you and your lot hate them more than you do the extremists). Those are the people who get killed by extremists for opposing them. You do your best to ignore them because it contradicts that airtight worldview you’ve constructed.
2. An example of a peaceful backlash is what happened in Tunisia when Muslims in their own country voted for nationalists instead of Islamist. Another example are the mass protests AGAINST the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt (before the army coup). Another example are the Libyan elections which saw secularists come ahead (only for the Islamists to violently reject the result of the elections and now we have a country split in two).
3. In America we have dozens of examples of Muslims helping the authorities against extremists.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/03/robert-spencer-video-man-bites-dog-muslims-alert-police-to-jihad-terrorist
If that’s not lifting a finger I don’t know what is.
The sad reality Wellington is that you and your ilk detest hearing about this because it messes with your narrative, your airtight jihadwatch worldview. This is why Taqqiya is such a nice refuge, it’s a way to explain away all this.
CogitoErgoSum says
And then they teach their children to read the Quran and the hadiths and to follow the example of Muhammad and to be the best Muslims they can be and the kids say, “Hey you forgot that we need to be doing this.” and the whole thing starts all over again. I think 1,400 years of such a vicious cycle is just about enough.
Wellington says
You miss the big picture again, Lebel (here you are so consistent). My God, man, don’t you see that when any Muslim pushes against Sharia they are violating their own creed? They are, at best, a kind-hearted but yet confused creature (e.g., Zuhdi Jasser).
Again, I assert that the ideology and not weakened, inept, lazy, ignorant or lousy interpretations of an ideology is what is germane. One could have found many Nazi Party members in the 1930’s who didn’t actually want to start a war for Lebensraum or outright kill Jews (even though disliking them). So what? One during the Cold War could have found many Communist Party functionaries in nations like the USSR, Bulgaria, Poland, Czechoslovakia, et al. who, on a daily basis, were good with family and friends and would have even split their last bottle of vodka with a guest, but again, so what? This never made Marxism OK.
Islam is a mortal enemy of freedom, Lebel, and this is what counts, not some Muslims who are nice people in spite of Islam. Grasp this finally, will ya’?
So, go ahead and refute these following things, Lebel: Islam in its theological blueprint is the only religion that calls for war to be made upon unbelievers “until all religion is with Allah” {Sura 8:39} and Islam also calls for the killing of apostates (e.g., Sura 4:89 and Mo’s own statement in the Bukhari Hadith, 9.84.57, that, “He who changes his Islamic faith, kill him”). Then there are all the major schools of Islamic theology to this very day, both Sunni and Shiite, that require death or severe bodily punishment for any criticism of Mo, the Koran (which I call the “Buttran” because it is the holy text for those who can’t even pray with dignity but do so with their asses in the air) or Islam.
You see, Lebel, it matters little that some Muslims, confused as they are, actually reject most or all the heinous crap found in Islam (which is a shitload). What such Muslims should really do is reject Islam completely. Prediction here: You won’t get this at all.
Just as there is no wise, informed and decent KKK member, Neo-Nazi adherent, Marxist, anarchist, syndicalist, et al., so there is no such thing as a sapient, informed and decent Muslim. Not one exception here, Lebel. Yes, not even one because when the ideology is rotten to the core, as Islam surely is, there is no exculpation for anyone who adheres to such an ideology.
Get this. Do so.
And get this too: There are way too many people who regularly post here at JW who know what Islam is ultimately about and so you will make no headway here with the woeful, underwhelming arguments, if you can actually dignify them with the term, “arguments,” that you keep making in an attempt to pull down Jihad Watch. What any cherisher of freedom should do, must do, is pull down Islam. ALL OF IT.
Your turn if you care, Lebel, but take good notice of what I have written above. So, no more typical deception, projection and ad nauseam criticism of those who detest Islam as I do. Tell us why, Lebel, yes do so, why Islam is an ally of liberty, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, a true Golden Rule for all in this world, women’s rights, overall graciousness, et al. Yeah, do so, if you can, which I aver most certainly you cannot.
Julea Bacall says
You cannot pull the gauzy curtain over what is. Whats Tunisia today? Ha.
What does the Qur’an SAY which al Azhar refuses to amend?
It is what it is.
And we see it in Egypt, Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar, Indonesia, Pakistan, Iran, Jordan Lebanon, Syria. Iraq, Afghanistan—London, Paris, Berlin, Brussels, Spain. and although they have small differences, they are all the SAME and even al Qeada, ISIL, Turkey there is the same core and it is takeover and impose Sharia by Mullahs. Whether moderate or extreme in How they do it, its all the same in what they do and why. All the SAME. Its Qur’an…..bigoted, dictatorial, intolerant, apartheid, fear ridden, punishing, vengeful, Supremacist and domineering. No Thanks. It beats the human being into a robot.
gravenimage says
The appalling Lebel wrote:
Firstly, I’m happy to see that you’re confirming the truth of my assessment (that most jihadwatch see ALL muslims as part of the same evil enterprise).
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No–not *all* Muslims–just those who take their vicious creed seriously.
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Second, you said:
“Yeah, Lebel, but here’s what most of us at Jihad Watch know and that is that the so-called moderate Muslims who are not pushing Sharia in place of the Constitution would not lift a finger if the “more devout” Muslims accomplish their insidious goal.”
I think we have enough evidence of the contrary.
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Actually, there is damn little evidence to the contrary.
The idea that most Muslims stand with Infidels against the diktats of their creed to conquer and oppress them simply is not borne out by the facts.
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1. When “more devout” Muslims attempt to push shariah in Muslim countries there is inevitably a backlash and sometimes civil war (see Algeria).
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“Inevitably”? There was no such civil war in Iran after the Mullahs took over.
And to assume that everywhere in Dar-al-Islam where Muslims are fighting Muslims involves “moderates” vs more devout Muslims is, of course, absurd.
In many cases the violence is sectarian–as Sunni vs Shia–or else a simple struggle for power.
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Those are the “moderates” you despise so much (I contend you and your lot hate them more than you do the extremists).
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And why would Lebel contend such a thing? He has often said that we don’t actually have a problem with Muslims raping, oppressing, or murdering us, but just supposedly hate Muslims out of mean-spirited “Islamophobia”. After all, if we weren’t “Islamophobes”, why would we have a problem with violent Jihad or brutal Shari’ah?
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Those are the people who get killed by extremists for opposing them. You do your best to ignore them because it contradicts that airtight worldview you’ve constructed.
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What claptrap. Jihad Watch carries stories all the time of Muslims slaughtering their less devout coreligionists.
Lebel’s implication, of course, is that these Muslims are dying not because of the violent creed of Islam, but–somehow–because of those of us who dare condemn Islamic savagery.
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2. An example of a peaceful backlash is what happened in Tunisia when Muslims in their own country voted for nationalists instead of Islamist.
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Of course it has been noted here many times that things in Tunisia post “Arab Spring” could be even worse.
Still, there have appalling incidents there of hundreds of Jihadi cells in Tunisia after the horrific massacre of Britons at a resort there in 2015, Muslims beating and stabbing the president of the Freethinkers, throwing molotov cocktails at a tiny Jewish school, and other ugliness. *This* is what Lebel considers “moderate”.
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Another example are the mass protests AGAINST the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt (before the army coup).
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Again, Jihad Watch has noted that Egypt would be *even worse* under the Muslim Brotherhood. Lebel hopes we haven’t noticed the constant attacks on churches there and the murder of Christians, nor of a prominent TV host noting that such murderous attacks are “okay”, nor of Atheist bloggers being arrested. *Ugh*.
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Another example are the Libyan elections which saw secularists come ahead (only for the Islamists to violently reject the result of the elections and now we have a country split in two).
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Now we are supposed to applaud the vicious Islamic hell hole of Libya. Good grief….
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3. In America we have dozens of examples of Muslims helping the authorities against extremists.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/03/robert-spencer-video-man-bites-dog-muslims-alert-police-to-jihad-terrorist
If that’s not lifting a finger I don’t know what is.
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Lebel apparently hopes we haven’t noticed that a) Jihad Watch reported on this story, and that b) it is noted that stories like this are indeed “man bites dog” stories because they are so rare.
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The sad reality Wellington is that you and your ilk detest hearing about this because it messes with your narrative, your airtight jihadwatch worldview. This is why Taqqiya is such a nice refuge, it’s a way to explain away all this.
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If it really were the case that Jihad was a rare occurrence and that the majority of Muslims rejected it and were eager to report it when it did occur, then there would be no Jihad Watch, nor would there be any need for it.
Before 9/11 and the growing influx of violent supremacist Muslims into the West, few of us gave much thought to Islam one way or the other. It is only now, 33,000+ Jihad terror attacks later, that Islam has re-revealed itself to be a serious threat to us.
As always, Lebel is demanding that we ignore this.
VRWC member77 says
Islam DICTATES that ALL MUSLIMS take over the U.S. -as U.S. is presently dar al-harb – and impose Sharia, Lebel. Not all Christians turn the other cheek which CHRISTIANITY preaches (note preach not dictate). So what esoteric and nimble half-witted point are you trying to make here?
Terry Gain says
Moderate Muslims support an ideology which is extreme. They are moderate in name only.
Lebel says
So when you see Kurds (for example) fighting ISIS and protecting Christians, what happens in your head?
Do you tell yourself it’s taqqiya? or it’s tactical for more shariah later on? what nonsense do you invent to understand this apparently contradictory behavior.
CogitoErgoSum says
I think about Saladin being a Kurd and wonder when the Kurds will start bringing up the old grudge about the Crusades. There are some pauses between battles but the war goes on.
Julea Bacall says
Because its all that way in the Qur’an, One can’t be a Muslim if they do not follow the Qur’an. If a Muslim follows the Qur’an they will do this. All of them. Read it.
Julea Bacall says
Did you really listen to the film? He explained it all. ALL.
Julea Bacall says
like the silent sheeple majority, trying like heck to stay alive.
gravenimage says
Some Muslims are lax in imposing the full horror of their vicious creed. This does not much help us.
Julea Bacall says
The Qur’an/Hadiths gives the instructions. Whatever Muslims tries to follow the Qur’an does. Don’t you get it? Its IN the book. not from something separate outside that some Muslims pick up. READ THE QUR’AN. Its a Warlords Manual supposedly with Allah as Authority.
Julea Bacall says
Doesn’t matter.The Qur’an/Hadiths say it. To Take over everyone. Its the only goal of Islam. It becomes the purpose of their lives if they follow the Qur’an as it is. ISIL was the perfect ideal of first Islam. Today it might use other methods but its the same goal. That is why it can never fit. Its why in Sweden, when a neighborhood is taken over they say “this is not Sweden anymore, but the State of Islam”.
Walter Sieruk says
What is known as the Stealth jihad otherwise called the Muslim method of Islamic Gradualism to enact Sharia law in America. In contrast to the way of the violent jihad or also called the militant jihad .This non-violent form of the jihad for Islam is a very sly, insidious, subtle and deceptive way of working for the advancement of Islam.
This Muslim scheme for achieving the goal of the Islamic agenda is as, many times, as subtly effective as it is demonically clever. Furthermore, this Islamic gradualism, in some ways, is very similar to the instruction printed in the book entitled THE ART OF WAR by Sun Tzu. Which reads “At first, then, exhibit the coyness of a maiden, until the enemy gives you an opening; afterwards emulate the rapidity of a running hare, and it will be too late for the enemy to opposes you”
Furthermore, those scheming jihadist /Muslims who attempt to have Sharia law set up in the USA engage in the doctrines of the Islamic doctrine of Taqiyya which is very insidious. Taqyyia is the jihad dogma that deception is a good thing to do as long as it’s done for the advancement of Islam. Nevertheless, the God of the Bible “condemns those who devise wicked schemes…” Proverbs 12:11. [N.I.V.] Likewise, Proverbs 12:20 teaches “Deceit is in the hearts of those who plot evil.”
Lebel says
Seems that God also likes to deceive in the bible:
Thessalonians 2:9-12
“The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.”
Strange that God sends a powerful delusion no? must be a bad interpretation
CogitoErgoSum says
So tell me more about this powerful delusion. What is it and how does it work?
CogitoErgoSum says
Well, while you think about it I’ll give you my explanation. This set of verses is talking about Satan and it mentions his ability to deceive those who do not love the truth. When God banished Satan from Heaven he was not restricted to existence in Hell but God allowed him to roam the Earth also. So Satan is the “powerful delusion” sent down to Earth by God Men can accept or reject Satan lies (due to free will). God is Truth and He never deceives, though He gives men the free will choose between the Truth and delusion. Free will is meaningless if there is no way to use it; that is, if there is nothing between which to choose.
Julea Bacall says
Lebel….not all Kurds are the same religion. Many were forcefully converted to Islam and a few generations later it was very ingrained. Some Kurds became Christian. Kurd is a people, not a religion.
Lebel says
The overwhelming majority are Muslim.
I’m very sorry but you’re going to have to come to terms with the reality that Muslims do not behave the way jihadwatch says they should behave.
CogitoErgoSum says
Lebel, don’t you see the source of confusion? The way that many Muslims behave and the way Muhammad, the Quran and the hadiths say Muslims SHOULD behave are out of whack. The problem arises when Muslims behave the way their religion says they should behave. It”s all very confusing to those who try to think logically. I would say the logical thing to do if I were a Muslim and I didn’t want to follow the teachings of my religion would be to leave the religion. If I DID like the religion I would follow its teachings. A Muslim who does not leave Islam must like its scriptures …. but I (and most others here) find those scriptures abhorrent. For a non-Muslim to be leery and suspicious of a Muslim makes perfect sense to me.
gravenimage says
I see that Lebel is once again claiming that Muslims do not wage violent Jihad–it is just the nasty “Islamophobes” of Jihad Watch who pretend they do.
Just ignore those 33,000+ Jihad terror attacks just since 9/11, you filthy Infidels…
Salomon gidey says
Donot talk about God or bible as long as you commit samesex marrage,stop this ild fashioned opinion.
Julea Bacall says
Stick to the point.
gravenimage says
“Salomon gidey” has a problem with same-sex marriage, but seems fine with Muslim pedophilia, forced marriage, sex slavery, and “Honor Killing”. *Ugh*.
Julea Bacall says
Kurds are the most diverse group in mideast. They are also ferociously independent and nationalistic….but without a nation today….still seeking. None are even Muslim at all unless compared to a total nonMuslim. They are Sufi, Yazidi, Zoroastrian, Christian, forced Sunni forced Shia with all kinds of other peoples labels they will push off. They are Kurds and thats that. The are independent on the whole and in diaspera. There is no way you can say ‘they are majority Muslim’ but they are living in places that have been conquered by Muslim. They may help who they want when they want but they will not be captured.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
mr spencer, is advocacy for the application of sharia in the evil united states an infraction of American constitution or any law for the time being in force?I know American constitution guarantees freedom of religion, which is right to practice one’s religion as it is. To muslim, right to practice his religion as it is includes right to be governed by sharia code of conduct.The wicked mithraist christian bigot savage mad devil trump trump cannot deny muslims such unfettered right.
CogitoErgoSum says
You believe it is your right to take away my rights? And I’m supposed to go along with that? My mother didn’t raise any idiots, Ibrahim. Don’t know about your momma though..
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Cogitoergosum, can you cite any uncontrovertible authority from Islamic sources where Islam says sharia can be imposed on you non-muslims? Sharia is exclusive to muslims only except where non-muslims explicitly requested It to be applied to them as It happened during the time of prophet muhammad. That is the essence of Quranic injunction”Let people of the book (christians and Jews) be judged in accordance with what was revealed to them “to avoid imposition of sharia on those who do not believe in Islam.
CogitoErgoSum says
How Quran 9:29. What if I don’t want to pay the jizya? I don’t see a time limit on that so as to apply only to Christians living in the time of Muhammad. You are going to have to fight me to get me to pay you any jizya.
Vlad Tepes says
On nearly every page of koran, not to mention authoritative hadiths, and of course, Reliance of the Traveler. It is quite specific that illegal acts should be done in the lands of the infidel, and though they may be seen as punishable by man-made-law, they are allowable, and often obligated by Islamic law.
Just one example is lying to the infidel if it is to protect Islam, a fellow muslim, or in any way that advances the primacy of islam. This is mandatory in Reliance, as the goal, the imposition of sharia upon all, is mandatory. Where the goal is permissible but not mandatory, then deceiving the infidel is permissible but not mandatory.
Julea Bacall says
like what happened at Khaybar or to the Christian Najran?
Julea Bacall says
If what he calls ‘religion’ goes against the Constitution and Basic Human Rights, it is not allowed. Neither is a religion that calls for human sacrifice, cannibalism, mob trial instead of courts of Constitutional law etc. Islam with its extreme bigotry, Supremacy, intolerance of equality of other religions or people ect does not follow our Constitution. Sorry.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Julea.
gravenimage says
The vile Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
mr spencer, is advocacy for the application of sharia in the evil united states an infraction of American constitution or any law for the time being in force?I know American constitution guarantees freedom of religion, which is right to practice one’s religion as it is. To muslim, right to practice his religion as it is includes right to be governed by sharia code of conduct.The wicked mithraist christian bigot savage mad devil trump trump cannot deny muslims such unfettered right.
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Note that Ibrahim itace muhammed is falsely claiming that Muslims be allowed to murder apostates and stone rape victims to death under the US Constitution, or else were are not allowing Muslims to practice their vicious creed in an “unfettered” manner. *Ugh*.
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Cogitoergosum, can you cite any uncontrovertible authority from Islamic sources where Islam says sharia can be imposed on you non-muslims?
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What a load of tripe. Ibrahim itace muhammed *himself* has affirmed that Muslims have the right to prevent Infidels from saying a word of criticism of Islam under Shari’ah laws, and that Muslims have the right to murder us.
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Sharia is exclusive to muslims only except where non-muslims explicitly requested It to be applied to them as It happened during the time of prophet muhammad. That is the essence of Quranic injunction”Let people of the book (christians and Jews) be judged in accordance with what was revealed to them “to avoid imposition of sharia on those who do not believe in Islam.
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In other words, if the filthy Infidels don’t “request” having Shari’ah law applied to them, then it will be imposed one them. Really, that says it all…
Logic&Reason says
Nauseates me to no end to see the Islamists’ plans kept in the dark by the Lefty MSM. Not only will they not report FACTUALLY, but they label anyone who DOES as a “fascist”.
The real fascists belong to the ideology the MSM are protecting. As Mark Levin says, “They have blood on their hands. Every last one of them!”
Western MSM outlets are nothing but Leftist state-run propaganda agencies. That’s why they hate Trump so much–because he calls them out on their lies and deceit.
Terry Gain says
Logic&Reason
Fanatical Muslims plan to take over America and impose Islam. Those of us who are aware of their plans and have tried to alert our fellow citizens are dismissed as Islamophobes. It’s a very effective strategy.
Julea Bacall says
So far it has seemed to be. BUT……….In 1990 I did not even know what Islam was. 2000 I thought it was just another religion. NOW I KNOW. I read the Qur’an/Hadiths. I was shocked. I read about Mohammeds life, the warlords ways and why they want to replace Judaism. NOW I KNOW. Others will learn & I plan to help them.
somehistory says
Some “theories” are actually true.
If a moslim doesn’t want the evil code to rule his/her life, they are not really moslim, but are too afraid to leave. Or they live in freedom and are too lazy to leave Or they only have moslim friends and it’s too much trouble to make a bunch of new ones.
However, surveys have shown that the majority say they want the code to be implemented. Those who say otherwise are likely doing what moslims do best….lying.
And the “rules” of islam are not a “law code”…they are a lawless code.
The evidence: rape is not just allowed, it is encouraged and sanctioned
Murder is not just allowed, ti is commanded to murder any one who refused to convert.
No equal treatment of genders.
There are many, many more. But the basics are, anything evil is commanded and anything good is forbidden and punished.
Lebel says
“However, surveys have shown that the majority say they want the code to be implemented. Those who say otherwise are likely doing what moslims do best….lying.”
Right, so you’re never wrong basically.
Lets see the surveys
gravenimage says
Over half of Muslims in the United States say they want to see the imposition of brutal Shari’ah law here. Is Lebel OK with that?
Lebel says
@CogitoErgoSum
“I think about Saladin being a Kurd and wonder when the Kurds will start bringing up the old grudge about the Crusades. There are some pauses between battles but the war goes on.”
So at some point down the line Kurds will start to think about the crusades and attack non-Muslims?
I don’t think that’s how things work but in any case war is an unescapable feature of human history. At some point down the line European countries may fight each other once again in the name of some ideology – most probably Nationalism.
And the pause you are referring to involves allying with infidels against fellow Muslims who practive the REAL islam (ISIS). Not a very Islamic pause between battles. I see your response as more of the same issue. You have a constructed a worldview which cannot accept contradiction and you therefore shape reality to fit this worldview. You are convinced you are right whereas I could be wrong.
CogitoErgoSum says
I would say I can’t accept a god of contradictions. If your god is not one of contradictions, the Kurds will eventually turn on the Christians ….. the Kurds who are good Muslims, that is.
Julea Bacall says
Not all Kurds are Muslim. Only the ones who got conquered. Islam is not their native Religion but something from outside. When those who got caught find out the truth………..
gravenimage says
Uh…right. Anti-Jihadists who oppose Jihad are just the same as ISIS…
Lebel says
“God is Truth and He never deceives, though He gives men the free will choose between the Truth and delusion. ”
But…he created the delusion and allowed it to tempt men so that the believe the lies?
But fine, nothing to do with the evil deceiver of Islam. Although I wonder if you allow Muslims the same freedom of interpretation you just exercised.
Next one:
1 Kings 22:20-22
20 And the LORD said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’
“One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, ‘I will entice him.’
22 ” ‘By what means?’ the LORD asked.
” ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.
” ‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the LORD. ‘Go and do it.’
So what about this one?
CogitoErgoSum says
Looks to me like God had enough of this Ahab leading his people astray. As to who this spirit is who came forward, I’m not sure but he sounds like Satan. In the Bible God and Satan sometimes converse with each other. Jesus and Satan had a little discussion in the desert before Jesus started His ministry. In Ahab’s case, God told Satan to give it a try to tempt Ahab and see how Ahab responds.
In any case, how does making the God of the Bible look deceptive, make your god in the Quran look any less deceptive? You still think of God as a deceiver.
Lebel says
It doesn’t, they are quite similar it’s just that most Christians/Jews don’t read their bible. God uses deception in both books.
To be fair most Muslims don’t read their Qu’rans but that’s another issue.
CogitoErgoSum says
I disagree with you that God in the Bible uses deception. He gives people choices. He sets forth certain rules to follow to help in making those choices. Following His rules and not being tricked by someone or something outside of God into making your own set of rules that allow you to get your own way is where people are deceived. Sometimes we must want to be “tricked.”
CogitoErgoSum says
Just one more thing on the Ahab story (since I have a lot of free time today). Ahab knew that there was one prophet (Micaiah) who would tell him things he didn’t like to hear so Ahab would try to avoid Micaiah. Even if Ahab did think the others advising him were “prophets” he knew Micaiah was a prophet too. He took the advice he wanted to hear instead of thinking something is wrong, all the prophets should be in agreement so I’ll wait until they are. That was his error. So God still gave Ahab a choice and Ahab chose unwisely. I don’t see that as deception.
Julea Bacall says
People can argue religion forever but never make any progress. This is not a Religious discourse. It is Human Rights, Sanity, logical thinking, (some of the things Islam finds dangerous)
gravenimage says
More false moral equivalence…
Wellington says
Being the agnostic and complete skeptic that I am, Lebel, I don’t really care what the Old Testament and New Testament have to say respecting ultimate reality, though I would also contend both texts do, to a very great extent, teach a far superior, wiser and benevolent ethic than the Koran does and one that is far more, if not infinitely so, compatible with liberty.
But I do care about what the Koran says respecting ultimate reality. Here’s why: Virtually every religion threatens this, that or the other thing if you don’t believe this, that or the other thing, or if you don’t do this, that or the other thing (a characteristic of religion but not of science and philosophy and one of many reasons why I am not religious), but ONLY Islam allows its own followers to use force in this world to get their religion in “first place,” so to speak. And herein lies the great menace which is Islam to all mankind. It’s the chief reason why it is the turd in the punch bowl of world religions.
Look, I don’t care, I don’t give a damn, that Islam spouts all kinds of nonsense (e.g., that the psychopath, narcissist and pedophile, Mohammed, is the last and greatest of the prophets, blah, blah, blah and quadruple blah) but I do very much care that Islam in its religious blueprint is the ONLY religion on earth that gives carte blanche to its deluded followers to use force in this world to see that its theological rot is “observed.”
Get this, Lebel? I mean do you really get this? If you do, then you will know why I think Islam sucks way, way beyond any other religion on earth. But you won’t get this, now will you? In fact, it won’t surprise me at all if you continue with your sophistic defenses of the worst religion of all time, “Islam” by name (hey, let’s face it, the odds were fairly good that a major religion which is rotten to the core would slip through the time cracks of history and successfully pose as something good; this is EXACTLY what happened with Islam), all the while excoriating a site like Jihad Watch for pointing out the gigantic liability to freedom which Islam, alone among the major faiths, surely is.
Your turn, Lebel, if you care. And know this: I will never, I mean NEVER, not think Islam is iniquitous, and I will back up my conviction here with copious references to facts, for instance as I have done here in this post of mine. For that matter, here is another “fact” about Islam, i.e., Mohammed himself saying, per the Bukhari Hadith, 4.52.220, “I have been made victorious with terror.” Oh yeah, your turn, deceiver.
Lebel says
“Your turn, Lebel, if you care. And know this: I will never, I mean NEVER, not think Islam is iniquitous”
I know, that’s one of the main differences between you and me (apart from me being a horrible deceiver), you are certain that you know the truth while I am open to being wrong.
Wellington says
I don’t know the truth in general, Lebel, but I do know certain truths (which your deceptive 8:05 P.M. comment conflated, i.e., knowing “the truth” versus knowing particular truths—-just like you to do something like this, Lebel), among them being that Nazism, Islam and Marxism are malevolent and mortal enemies of freedom, and that fine beer, romantic love and a Golden Rule for all are inimical to Muslimthink.
BTW, do you deny Islam asserts to this very day that apostates must be killed and that any criticism or mockery of Islam, the Koran or Mohammed is to be met with severe bodily harm or death? Just for the record and all that; positing “merely” here by me “particular truths,” Lebel, and not the positing of “the truth” in general.
Yeah, answer this specifically, Lebel. Does Islam not to this very day, as preached by every major school of Islamic theology, Sunni and Shiite, for instance the four main Sunni schools, the Hanafi, Habali, Shafi and Maliki, require death for apostasy and death or significant bodily harm for anyone who dares mock or criticize Mo, the warped book which is the Koran or Mo’s creed?
Again, specific truths here, Lebel, put to you in query form, and not “the truth.” For the record. So, please no more conflation and deception.
Julea Bacall says
Are you open to the realization that Mohammed was not a prophet and that warlords mainly wrote the Qur’an for control of little people to make them do the dirty work of conquering for them, all the while thinking they are only honoring Allah…instead of Mulahs?
Are you open to realizing how this way of life Stunts human growth and development because it denies basic human rights needed to grow as much as water, food, care?
Are you open to doubt without Fear?
gravenimage says
Lebel is saying that we should be open to being wrong about Muslims raping and murdering us being bad things…
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Wellington, you deceive too much. you are simply a filthy mithraist Christian worshiping wicked and unjust satan god (holy spirit) the father of all evils. what ethics mithraist christianity teaches apart from genocide, colonisation or neocolonisation and deprivations of other nations to steal their wealths, international brigandage, toppling good leaders to install puppets to steal the wealths from their countries and stash them in mithraist Christian West,nudity and indiscriminate sex líke beasts ?
Julea Bacall says
Not talking ‘religions!’ Don’t you get it? This is not about Religions or any myths.
gravenimage says
More proof–if any were needed–that Muslims consider all Western Infidels to be Christian, whether they are or not. (Wellington is, quite famously, a rational Agnostic).
Ibrahim itace muhammed by talking about the “father of all evils” is referring to such matters as Christians worshipping a God of love, and opposing pedophila, rape, and mass slaughter. Bad dhimmis…
Of course, his claim that Christianity teaches conquest and genocide is nothing but projection.
In fact, Ibrahim itace muhammed *himself* has said that Muslims have the right to violently conquer all Infidels, and that he looks forward to personally taking part in the genocide of the Jews.
As for “international brigandage”, this is how Ibrahim itace muhammed describes the inventiveness and innovation of the West.
“nudity and indiscriminate sex líke beasts” is how he characterizes Infidels marrying for love, which he says needs to be punished with death. *Ugh*.
Julea Bacall says
more proof that Islam is unfit for USA or any Free country in this world. just abominable! I can hardly believe the guy is serious.
Lydia Church says
The battle for souls is real.
mummymovie says
The wretched ghost these turds believe in seems to be everywhere all at once.
As one maligned general said: Start striking the “holy” targets: Start small, stack up the naturally occurring consequences. Just like the other much maligned general said. Put up some good old fashioned barbed wire camps.
I’m so sick of these f**king people and their bullshit.
If we can’t fend these losers off, we’ve got what’s coming to us.
Go gravenimage!
Yousef Muslet says
You are so ignorant! Maybe you should take the time to study Islam, read an English translation of the Quran and learn the truth rather than listen to all the ignorant enemies of Islam who are spreading hate and lies to demonizes Muslims. You can seek the truth and set your self free or continue to be ignorant but you will Know the truth in the end but there will be no more time for saving! Have a blessed day! Islam is peace and justice! I didn’t realize how many ignorant people we have in this world until I woke up and began to study all of the books of Thee Almighty God ALLAH! Allahu Akbar! See you on Judgement Day!
Julea Bacall says
I read it. Its bigoted against Jews and set on replacing Judaism (and all other religions) as the one and only true Abrahamic religion. ‘Others’ have to be warned and subjugated if they refuse Mohammed as the prophet. That is the main core. There are other side stories. It is intolerant. apartheid, dictatorial and uses Fear of Allah to make people obey, even when they feel there is something wrong with the commands. It just does not fit in USA under our Constitution as it is. What France’s 300 intellectuals, politicians and such (including some Muslims) said in the petition sent to Al Azhar to amend the Qur’an would help but, of course they say NO. NO, all the anti-Semite, all the hatreds, all the calls for Islams total Supremacy with no other religion seen as equal cannot be. So………Islam cannot fit.
Con says
Thank Obama’s 8 yrs. For this
gravenimage says
The nasty Yousef Muslet wrote:
You are so ignorant! Maybe you should take the time to study Islam, read an English translation of the Quran and learn the truth rather than listen to all the ignorant enemies of Islam who are spreading hate and lies to demonizes Muslims.
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I’m rereading the vicious Qur’an for the fifth time now, and in five different translations. Yes–everyone *should* read the Qur’an and other texts of Islam, to see just how violent Islam really is.
More:
You can seek the truth and set your self free or continue to be ignorant but you will Know the truth in the end but there will be no more time for saving! Have a blessed day! Islam is peace and justice!
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Notice that the above is actually a threat…
More:
I didn’t realize how many ignorant people we have in this world until I woke up and began to study all of the books of Thee Almighty God ALLAH! Allahu Akbar! See you on Judgement Day!
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Notice that the ugly Yousef Muslet has not a word of criticism for Jihad and brutal Shari’ah–but then, why would he? *Ugh*.
TruthWFree says
I am amazed at the rabid demonic faith these Muslims have for their allah god, AKA Satan, and his robbing, murdering pedophile false prophet. They could not conquer the world with the sword. Will they be able to do it with the fat food business with thee threat of terrorism in the background? I pray to God that America will be spared this evil. It’s worse than Nazism or Communism. Demon possession is the only explanation. They want everyone to be miserable in their DEMONIC culture.
Lebel says
” I would also contend both texts do, to a very great extent, teach a far superior, wiser and benevolent ethic than the Koran does and one that is far more, if not infinitely so, compatible with liberty.”
You could make a case for the New Testament but when it comes to the Old Testament I think you are showing a clear bias. Which in a way makes sense given your ardent support of Israel.
Wellington says
No clear bias re the OT because the OT, contra the Koran, is not a paradigm for action for all time.
Hell, this is elementary, Lebel. Really, you must do MUCH better than this.
And, as for Israel, you mean the nation in the Middle East where Israeli Arabs enjoy far more freedoms than they do in the over twenty Arab nations that exist, for instance Egyptian Arabs or Qatari Arabs? That nation, Lebel?
Lebel says
“No clear bias re the OT because the OT, contra the Koran, is not a paradigm for action for all time.”
Of course it is, Israel for example was given to the jews therefore it is there until the end of time.
Jews still follow the rules of the Old Testament, they have not stopped and orthodox judaism is the official religion of Israel.
Even if you are right and the OT is not a paradigm for action for all time does that mean that it teaches a ” a far superior, wiser and benevolent ethic “? the same holy wars occured, the same rules with stoning and other forms of torture etc. how is that vastly superior? Is it more superior because it no longer applies? That’s absurd and you know it.
Wellington says
There is a Golden Rule for all required by Jews as by Christians and as found both in the OT and NT, contra Muslims and the Koran. The difference is huge here. Indeed, the rules to be followed by Jews number in the hundreds while there are only six or seven required of non-Jews per Judaism so it is actually much harder to be Jewish than non-Jewish.
As for violence condoned in the OT, I have said before I’m not a fan of it and even that it was self-serving, but it was for one time and a very small place to be sequestered (about the size of Maryland) as opposed to the Islamic instruction to wage war for all time “until all religion is with Allah” {Sura 8:39} and to conquer not a small area of real estate, as in the Jewish case, but all the earth. Humongous difference here too.
gravenimage says
Israel is a modern, civilized democracy. Lebel pretending that she is no better than barbaric Shari’ah Muslim states is just disgusting and false.
TKF says
Deport this f*cking Muslim pinhead, now!
Lebel says
“Yeah, answer this specifically, Lebel. Does Islam not to this very day, as preached by every major school of Islamic theology, Sunni and Shiite, for instance the four main Sunni schools, the Hanafi, Habali, Shafi and Maliki, require death for apostasy and death or significant bodily harm for anyone who dares mock or criticize Mo, the warped book which is the Koran or Mo’s creed?”
Regarding apostasy, I think this is the classic position. I think other interpretations such as that of Moroccan jurists show that this is not necessarily the only position:
“The view that the apostate should not be killed in Islam is not a new one and can be found in the teachings of Sufyan al-Thawri in the first century AH. The scholar reviewed historical situations where the prophet Mohammed acted on the ruling, as opposed to the times he did not order the killing of the apostates. He concluded that killings occurred for political purposes and were not decisions based on religion. The apostates could, theoretically, disclose the secrets of the then fragile Islamic nation.”
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2017/02/207505/moroccos-high-religious-committee-says-apostates-should-not-be-killed/
And if you want to have a civil discussion stop accusing everyone of deception. I could do the same thing with your ludicrous interpretation of the OT.
Wellington says
Death for apostasy alone makes Islam completely objectionable. Ditto for the sanctioning of the rape of non-Muslim women, another heinous provision of Mo’s creed.
The ultimate problem with Islam, unlike every other major religion, is that it won’t let other people alone who don’t want to join this damn faith. They are either required to join, be a pure second-class citizen compared to Muslims if they don’t join, or if they refuse either of these first two, then death. No other religion has rot like this and when you add other things like the two I already mentioned, i.e., death for apostasy and the sanctioning of rape, it all adds up to Islam being what I have often called “the turd in the punch bowl of world religions.” Moreover, there isn’t a single damn good thing about Islam that can’t be found elsewhere so what’s the damn point of keeping it around at all? It’s worse than useless. It is a gigantic menace to mankind and I have no respect for it and look upon every Muslim as at least a confused human being if not actually wicked.
Julea Bacall says
To me its like an Egotistical Macho game of power that little people are told they have to help WIN for Allah.
gravenimage says
Fine post.
patriotliz says
Obviously black Muslims are totally ignorant of the h/o of White Arab Muslims who enslaved Africans and, to escape enslavement, Africans converted to Islam and enslaved their fellow Africans and sold them to the West. Slavery still exists in Muslim dominated countries.
gravenimage says
All too true.
Smitn says
Don’t make stupid moves, be quiet and everything will be ok
gravenimage says
Yes–this is what Muslims tell us…
henrik jensen says
it is ( talentet) ideologic political spin dictatet from muslim brotherhood( and alikes) to ulimately get to dominate the universe. The hype is due to islam is the worlds last ( ever) ideology, wanting to set a ideologic mark on world history. hereafter single ideologies will no longer be sufficient for any country.
gravenimage says
Undercover video: Muslim efforts to spread Islam and bring Sharia to US
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Thanks to the brave makers of this video!
Julea Bacall says
Surprised that even alJazeera just had an article of a comedian making fun of black people as only good for servants of Islam’s Arabs or ‘Arabized’.