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20,000 People Come Out for Tommy Robinson at London’s Whitehall

Jun 10, 2018 12:59 pm By Joshua Winston

The BBC never got there until the end of the day’s events, apparently, when a handful of incredibly drunken attendees decided to block off the traffic at Trafalgar Square. Riot vans surrounded them, drunken fans cheered them on, as the drunken protesters sometimes hurled bottles of beer and expletives at the police. These are the only British mainstream media pictures I’ve seen of the event. The headlines scream that some arrests were made and that five police officers had been injured, and that the white, racist, EDL had descended. Nothing could have been further from the truth.

I’ve seen this type of thing before in London with the left and Antifa, where they’ve blocked off the traffic, have been given a dispersal notice from the police, gone over their time limit, and therefore the police have had to act in a unit to remove them. The same thing happened yesterday, with the exception being that Antifa are heralded by the press as being just and righteous, with any accompanying photographs portraying their violence as self-defense or else as being the only answer to a non-existent racism. Yesterday, Tommy’s supporters were allowed to sit on the road for a certain duration before the police officers had to start their formation tactics of kettling other people into particular areas in order that the arresting officers would be met with as little violence as possible from the surrounding crowds and protesters.

This was not what the day was about, although it was not without precedents. Just two weeks ago, at a smaller Free Tommy rally, the supporters barely allowed the first speaker to finish his speech before they stormed the gates of No. 10 to hurl some more expletives and bottles at the armed police. This time there was a stage, however, and a variety of noted speakers such as Geert Wilders and Raheem Kassam in attendance. 20,000 chanting men and women paraded the short distance from Trafalgar Square. Regrettably, upon arrival at No. 10, one small section of people thought that storming the gates and abusing the police would be the order of the day. Raheem grabbed the microphone and quickly ended it by telling them that that wasn’t why they had gathered, and that the police weren’t the problem. The problem comes from above the local cops’ heads.

When the crowd had settled down, there was much chanting of “Oh, Tommy, Tommy. Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, Tommy Robinson.” All of the speeches were met with roars and massive enthusiasm. Two hours before my friend and I reaching the event, we could hear this chant coming from all directions. The people (“the proles”) seemed finally to have awakened and they were making noise. The singing was ubiquitous, like church bells ringing out across the land on a Sunday.

Geert Wilders arrived and was rushed backstage, surrounded by armed guards and security men. He delivered a speech about patriotism, was cheered by the crowd, and then he quickly posed for a couple of pictures before being whisked off again by the same armed battalion of officers. I had wanted to ask him some questions. I had wanted to ask him how the UK is viewed from across the channel. Are we a beacon of hope for some countries in the same way as Hungary, Czech Republic, and Poland are, for example? Or are we known as being yet another country that capitulates to Islamic demands and grooming gangs? Does he have a vision for the UK’s future? And how does it feel to be back after having his travel ban lifted? Until he began texting that he had been cleared through airport security, uncertainty hung over his appearance at the day’s event.

After the event was over, I was hungry and wanted to find a food store. Of course, the left-wing counter-demonstrators were there, and the police generally do their best to make sure that both groups are led off in different directions in order to avoid violence. I asked a police officer which direction he wanted me to head in. He told me that “Antifa, if you can call them that, all left after an hour.” There were only about 100 of them who had bothered to turn up. The officer finished our exchange by telling me, “The average age of the counter-protesters was around 80,” so if I felt I could handle myself against a gang of elderlies, then I was free to walk in whatever direction I pleased. I headed towards the noise and the hustle of Trafalgar Square, looking for food. I noticed a young man in his 20s who was walking with his girl tear a Free Tommy placard down from the War Memorial. I walked behind him. He was clearly distressed, and his girlfriend was petting him on the shoulder as though he were a child and not a man. I drew close to pass him and listened as he explained to his girlfriend that Tommy Robinson is a “racist, neo-Nazi…” He didn’t get to finish. I turned to him and said, “Fascist, Nazi, politics of hate, xenophobe…Have I left anything out?” He didn’t quite know how to reply. I asked him to defend his racism slur against Tommy. He said, in a mild rage, “He formed the EDL.”

“The EDL were formed as a direct response to Islamic terrorism in the UK, especially in Tommy’s hometown of Luton,” I replied.

At this point, his face went red and livid, and he stopped and started shaking his head and his hands at me as he backed away from me as though I were a thing possessed. His girlfriend was doing her best to keep him from imploding, and I told him to make sure he knows what he’s talking about before he starts throwing slurs and accusations around at people he doesn’t know. He turned and stomped away, with his girlfriend rushing to keep up with him. He was unable to debate, as they usually are. Their emotions generally overwhelm them.

That to me was the story of the day. The amount of misinformation is still out there in relation to Tommy, propagated by the media, of course, via their use of buzzwords and the very worst possible images they can obtain. I would have thought that 20,000 politically and legally minded, liberty conscious individuals who had taken the time to travel to London in order to protest the persecution of a UK citizen who dares to speak out about Islam would merit better headlines and a deeper and more honest reportage. The other takeaway from the event is the behaviour of the left-wing youth of today, who are incapable of critical or logical thinking, and who are instead walking around as raw balls of uninformed and uncontrolled emotion. There was every colour and creed at the Free Tommy event yesterday. There were black girls and men and there were Jews with their kippahs and carrying their kids. I’ve written previously about the tipping point, the point at which the UK will say, “We’ve had enough.” Tommy Robinson’s incarceration seems to have tipped the scales; let’s hope they fall on the side of justice.

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  1. Stephen says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 1:05 pm

    I complement you for your excellent and accurate reporting. I hope you will be there on July 14th when we will be more if Tommy still needs us

    • Stephen says

      Jun 10, 2018 at 1:06 pm

      Correction, compliment!

      • Andy says

        Jun 11, 2018 at 1:08 pm

        It was a great weekend for Patriots ALL of US standing up for Tommy Robinson, Freedom, Israel. It was a lovely weekend. Patriotism around the world is rising! Long live the cause of FREEDOM!

        Thousands Rally in London for Tommy Robinson’s Release!!!

        • Andy says

          Jun 11, 2018 at 1:21 pm

          POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!! FREEDOM!!!!WE WANT OUR COUNTRIES BACK, RESTORE FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!!

          NEVER SURRENDER!!!!

          FREE TOMMY TOMMY, TOMMY TOMMY TOMMY ROBINSON!!!!!

          Thousands march for Tommy Robinson’s release in central London. | Saturday, 9 June 2018

    • Guy Forester says

      Jun 10, 2018 at 1:30 pm

      Just a coincidental alignment with Bastille Day? 🙂

      • Joy says

        Jun 11, 2018 at 3:28 am

        No, it’s President Trump’s 72nd birthday!! Also the day that the US Inspector General is supposed to deliver some damn reports to the US Senate re “Spy-gate” and the Clinton Campaign’s (aided & abetted by the Ogime) planting a spy in the Trump campaign to undermine free and fair elections!

    • mortimer says

      Jun 10, 2018 at 6:46 pm

      Agree with Stephen. Good reporting. The NEWS STORY of the day is surely that 20,000 Britons have registered their disgust with the REAL FASCISTS in the BRITISH GOVERNMENT and JUDICIARY. The fact that the Leftards are disinformed is NORMATIVE MARXISM and hardly ‘news’ to anyone who is informed. The Antifa Leftards are defeated and they are frustrated. They sense they have lost. They have lost. The nationalists have decided to take their country back. They are entitled to do it. They just have to vote. If they translate this protest into political parties, things will change!

      The UK needs a NEW MAGNA CARTA for the ordinary people… a MAGNA CARTA OF CIVIL LIBERTIES for the ordinary BRITON so that the GOVERNMENT will forever lose these arbitrary powers they are presently using to stop the freedom of assembly and the freedom of expression. IT IS NOW ILLEGAL IN THE UK TO DISAGREE WITH THE FAILED IMMIGRATION POLICIES and the POLICIES that DISCRIMINATE AGAINST NATIVE BRITONS!

      • Phil Copson says

        Jun 10, 2018 at 7:28 pm

        “The UK needs a NEW MAGNA CARTA for the ordinary people…” etc
        —————————————————————————————
        Thank you, Mortimer – they can’t imprison all of us….!

    • Tom S. says

      Jun 11, 2018 at 12:46 am

      it was only me and the 3 secret service officers who came out to greet me (great guys BTW) in front of the British Embassy in Washington DC Saturday morning. It was probably the safest demonstration ever thanks to the Vice Presidents guard. I know at least a dozen British officials saw my “Free Tommy” banner.

    • NewWorldParty says

      Jun 11, 2018 at 10:33 am

      Marching for Terrorism in London? No Problem

      https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12483/london-al-quds-terrorism

    • George says

      Jun 11, 2018 at 1:18 pm

      Ive been to tiny concerts with 30K there, + there were 10x that amount at this rally, easily. None of the trouble (all were over in 5 mins) started till after 7pm, when most had gone home. If the police hadnt been there, NO trouble would have happened at all. (1)The police stopped people getting onto trains in outlying areas of London, telling them it had been canceled, + if they BOARDED THE TRAIN, THEY WOULD ARREST THEM. (2)They also put it on the speakers at tube + train stations that it had been canceled.(3) They also stopped the crew coming in to put up the stage, till 1 hr b4 it started, (4) Police wouldnt let the portaloos in AT ALL. (5) They surrounded groups + then pushed them, trying to make them retaliate, ask anyone who was there., or watch all the videos (6) Every live stream video was blocked on FB, but watchable the next day..?? (7) I saw them run at the crowd, + knock over old men, made me sick. … I now believe UK is a POLICE STATE. + the Muslim Haz day on Sunday, were allowed to yell “we will kill Jews, Christians + all non muslims”, all day, but if Europeans said a word, they were arrested so fast. Double standards are killing this country. YES, THE PEOPLE ARE ANGRY, + THE WORLD IS WATCHING.

      • Stephen says

        Jun 12, 2018 at 6:28 am

        Thank you for your excellent and detailed report. I heard mutterings of police interference and intimidation but didn’t hang around at the end to see them at their worst.

        Let us remind ourselves that Sadiq Khan was a solicitor acting to defend terrorists in the past. He does not do enough to protect London and on Sunday we had the spectre of the Hezbollah flag flying at the antisemitic al quds March that should never have happened in the first place. All those members of the “religion of peace” supporting the so-called Palestinians and of course, that cuck, Khan allows it.

  2. Tony says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 1:16 pm

    I fear for my country,who like many others have capitulated.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 10, 2018 at 5:19 pm

      If your country is England, you have reason to feel proud today.

      • mortimer says

        Jun 10, 2018 at 6:47 pm

        England has reawakened.

        • LeftisruiningCanada says

          Jun 10, 2018 at 8:21 pm

          This is to be hoped for.

          It may be that because the focus point in this case is a person, and a working class lad who echoes sentiments that quite a lot of people feel themselves, rather than say gas prices or an abstract idea like the EU, things could actually progress past the initial stage of protests petering out to quiet and sullen dejection.

          Yes, this is much to be hoped for.

      • Linda Clark formerly Linnte says

        Jun 11, 2018 at 6:13 am

        Agreed GI! I was bursting with pride for them!

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 11, 2018 at 9:07 pm

          🙂

  3. Uriah Sheep says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 1:18 pm

    All those demonstrations here and around the globe, almost 600,000 signatures on the “Free Tommy” petition, world-wide tv coverage (except the UK, of course) and still May and her Muslim Home Secretary won’t hear the will of the people and their outrage enough to free this man.
    If they fear this one man to let free to walk the streets imagine how they will fear us who are already walking them.
    The greatest danger to Western Civilisation is not Islam. It is our own governments. It is THEY who must be targeted first. Islam, without their enablers, their sponsors and their sponsors will merely be shipped or forced back to their 7th Century hell-holes.

    • Jayell says

      Jun 10, 2018 at 1:31 pm

      They say that the muslim Home Secretary has been tipped to be the next PM when May is booted out. For many in the UK that will be the last straw. The last time the UK had anything resembling a revolution was with Oliver Cromwell, centuries ago. They say Cromwell spoke with a broad midlands accent, not unlike Tommy.Robinson.

      • Hectort Archytas says

        Jun 10, 2018 at 3:49 pm

        The home secretary is no really a muslim

        • Hectort Archytas says

          Jun 10, 2018 at 3:50 pm

          He would convert to Christianity if you asked him to do so with little issue.

        • Phil Copson says

          Jun 10, 2018 at 7:31 pm

          “The home secretary is no really a muslim….”
          _____________________________________

          He took his oath on the Koran and almost immediately had Tommy Robinson imprisoned on a fake charge – that tells me all I want to know, thanks.

        • Leon Degney says

          Jun 11, 2018 at 4:14 am

          WHAT? He took his oath on a bloody Koran FFS. He’s a Muslim Islamist o the point of not even allowing a woman to hand the bloody silly book to him, Hed picked it up himself. Sheesh! Where do some of you people get off? Bloody hell!

        • simpleton1 says

          Jun 11, 2018 at 4:58 am

          https://jastatham.com/2018/05/02/sajid-javid-sworn-into-parliament-by-quran/

          All quietly done, and according to all the rules of how the koran was to be handled, that is not by an infidel
          Go down past 3 videos, and the next one is his swearing in, and the next one is Theresa May’s swearing in.
          Look and compare how islam rules in UK Government !!!

        • Axolotl says

          Jun 11, 2018 at 6:02 am

          There is a non-faith option of the Parliamentary Oath which Javid could have taken. He chose the Koran. He is a Muslim or he is afraid to admit being apostate (which would prove he is not up to the job).

        • Linda Clark formerly Linnte says

          Jun 11, 2018 at 6:15 am

          I watched a video of him swearing in using the Qur’an. He ain’t no Christian then.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 13, 2018 at 3:19 pm

          How is Sajid Javid “not really a Muslim”? What makes you think he would convert to Christianity?

          He has vaguely implied that he no longer practices–but–as other posters have noted, he swore his oath of office on a Qur’an. He has also said that God and Allah are the same thing, which is clearly false.

          He is being touted as likely becoming the first Muslim Prime Minister. God, I hope not.

        • Linda Clark formerly Linnte says

          Jun 14, 2018 at 4:37 pm

          Prime Minister? OMG.

      • Ecosse1314 says

        Jun 10, 2018 at 4:15 pm

        Yeh and he massacered the Scots and the Irish. So no thanks.

        • Jayell says

          Jun 10, 2018 at 5:43 pm

          There tended to be a general lack of civility around that time, but I think we can both agree that the alleged similarity of accent is about as far as it goes. I certainly don’t fancy a nouveau-puritan England – too much like sharia in some respects.

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 10, 2018 at 5:20 pm

        I hope the next PM is not Jeremy Corbyn, who would be even worse than May.

        • LeftisruiningCanada says

          Jun 10, 2018 at 7:15 pm

          The party chooses the PM. Citizen voters choose the Party only.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 11, 2018 at 9:11 pm

          Yes–you vote for the party. I’m an American, but were I in Britain I would have held my nose and voted for the Conservatives–which gave us Theresa May–because voting for Labour and ultimately Corbyn would have been worse.

      • Carol the 1st says

        Jun 12, 2018 at 12:02 am

        Being at least half Irish, I doubt Tommy’s an Oliver Cromwell in waiting.

        Leon above stated in outrage about Javid “He’s a Muslim Islamist to the point of not even allowing a *woman* to hand the bloody silly book to him!”.

        Actually it’s much WORSE than that – a muslim apparently cannot allow a KAFIR to handle the Koran (see the link by Simpleton1). And such as these are increasingly becoming the LEADERS of the British people??!! Twenty muslim (MP’s I believe) at last count.

  4. Guy Forester says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 1:28 pm

    Sooner or later, the provocateurs will show up to discredit the demonstrations for TR. Their job is usually made easier by a number of people that show up at a demonstration like this that are there mainly for excitement or that are extremely naïve.

    Usual MO’s:
    1. Provocateurs help pass out signs and get eager but naïve protestors to the front of the group. Provocateurs, who came prepared for violence, then start hurling insults and objects at police. Unarmed and naïve protestors are now caught between police and provocateurs. MSM then gets to film protestors “assaulted” by police.

    2. Provocateurs (I have witnessed as few as one turn a receptive crowd into a hostile mob that attacks police and other protest group) mix in with one or both groups of protestors. Crowd is whipped up into a frenzy, and if there are inebriated or adventure seeking protestors in a group, they start acting out.

    MSM will assume and broadcast about how the crowd was just a bunch of (racist or other epithet) hooligans looking for a fight. Films will never show the few provocateurs going through the crowds stirring them up, or starting the melee by throwing stuff at the cops.

    Worse yet, most law enforcement agencies should already be aware of these well documented tactics that have been public knowledge for over 50 years, yet always seem surprised when these demonstrations get out of hand. Very few are proactive and send plain clothes agents into the crowds to ID and detain the trouble makers.

    I have my theories on why law enforcement fails to act as they should, but no proof. Theories range from just plain laziness and incompetence to actual intent to discredit a legitimate political movement.

    However, on the demonstration side, the provocateurs are there to discredit legitimate political movements and to incite political upheavals.

    • Ginger says

      Jun 10, 2018 at 1:55 pm

      One of my thoughts when I heard the chant “Shame on you” at the police was that it is very much associated with leftist protesters. I wondered, then, whether the gathering had been infiltrated, especially when I noted a young guy dressed all in black hurl a traffic cone at the police line. From what I had seen of the march, it had been very good-humoured.

      • Guy Forester says

        Jun 10, 2018 at 2:33 pm

        Thanks!

        Those supporting TR need to wake up, smell the coffee, put down the beer and realize that they will be targeted by those that seek to discredit their movement. They need to police themselves as much as possible and move the troublemakers out of the demonstration.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 10, 2018 at 5:21 pm

      Forewarned is forearmed.

  5. Dave Catleugh says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 1:33 pm

    I was there. The vast majority of the many thousands of people that turned up had absolutely no intention of causing any trouble. Funny how the media crawl out from under their rocks at the slightest sign of a fight by a few drunks, but ignore a massive protest by the people against those that rule them.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 10, 2018 at 5:32 pm

      Thank you, Dave.

    • DaveB says

      Jun 10, 2018 at 7:24 pm

      I Agree. Video from RedPill Phil and others was awesome on YouTube. The videos worked well seeming to take the viewer into the midst of it all and highlighted that was very orderly. The world needs to see this and especially in the US where MSM isn’t revealing much. We in the US need to heed this as a warning of what could happen here – maybe already is by lesser degree?. I tried to bring this up at a local political gathering of candidates and there was no awareness. We have a primary here (Nevada next to California) in June 12 and of course the mid-terms for 2018.

    • tim gallagher says

      Jun 10, 2018 at 7:45 pm

      Dave, what you say sounds exactly the way I’d expect the leftie media to report on a rally in favour of Tommy Robinson. They have their agenda set in stone and then just look for any way to keep promoting their moronic propaganda. Yes, they crawl out from under their rocks to lie and exaggerate any trouble by people with different views to their views. I’m sure most of the people at the rally had a serious purpose and had no intention of causing trouble, as they would know trouble plays into the hands of the traitorous leftie media sellout merchants. I’m only sad that they didn’t get 200,000 at the rally but it was a bloody good turnout anyway. The normal people should certainly, by now, have had enough in the UK and everywhere else where their idiotic governments keep letting Muslims into their countries with the inevitable, terrible results. This UK government’s very heavy handed punishment of Robinson certainly seems to be disgraceful to me. They can’t stand to have the truth get out to people. Good on you, Dave, for going to the rally.

    • mortimer says

      Jun 10, 2018 at 8:47 pm

      Thanks, Dave. The police are not the enemy. The APPEASING POLITICIANS are the problem.

      They are bribed and afraid to be called RACISTS.

      The British people have learned practically nothing about Islam except for what they learned from the TERRORISTS.

      The British people have to OVERCOME THEIR INTELLECTUAL LAZINESS and LEARN ABOUT ISLAM.

    • Stephen says

      Jun 12, 2018 at 6:37 am

      The Daily Smell reported the trouble afterwards but didn’t allow commenting against the article. It failwd to mention anything about the speeches and showed a bias suggestung that the Mayor, Home Secretary and PM demanded it.

      I think there was a hit piece, full of lies, half-truths and innuendo that appeared on 4 June, if I remember correctly.

      I believe that many expected honest reporting from the Daily Smell bit it has shown its true colours and is as corrupt and compromised as the rest of our fakestream media.

      • Carol the 1st says

        Jun 12, 2018 at 1:52 pm

        Standing there flanked by those two muslims is a definite slap in the face meant to dispirit true Brits who still have a proper sense of themselves and their history.

  6. Dave says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 1:38 pm

    It is important that we (deplorables) in the US see how things in the UK are going. Your reports are refreshing. And very powerful. I noticed the youtube interview by Tommy that goes about showing the nature of the problem.
    https://youtu.be/NDX1vj6mLr8

    It will take a lot of protest, unification of people, and discipline on the part of demonstrators. When they get drunk and unruly they play into the hands of the MSM. I empathize with their anger but cool heads will be important. Be organized and keep getting the word out. All this is a cautionary tale of what our fate in the US can be if we don’t deal with the left. Thanks for all that you do.
    Dave
    (a descendant of a delegate to the 1st Provincial. Congress of 1774 leading to the Continental Congress and declaration of independence for the abused loyal — until they’d had enough — British subjects in America.)

  7. Bill says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 3:48 pm

    It takes a while, but the truth eventually gets out there. The MSM has lost all its credibility with a large segment of the population everywhere. We know they are going to lie to us when they communicate and hide from us anything that does not fit their globalist agenda.

    • Jayell says

      Jun 11, 2018 at 3:24 am

      I’m afraid it’s worse than that with the MSM colluding with and promoting celebrity witch-hunts and deliberately using euphemisms, all to protect muslims and their appalling track-record in the UK. And by far the worst is the BBC, now a corrupt and disgusting travesty of its former self yet having the sheer temerity to trade on its traditional reputation of honesty and integrity in the full knowledge that they can con all the gullible idiots in creation into believing them – except, we hope, the British High Court.

  8. Denny Abrahamsson says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 4:06 pm

    Im from Sweden an my corrupt MSM have been quiet about this. They are protecting islamic pedophilia.

    • andra says

      Jun 10, 2018 at 4:39 pm

      In Germany it is the same. Total silence in the MSM.

      • Flavius Claudius Iulianus says

        Jun 11, 2018 at 1:16 am

        Dead silence in Canada.

  9. SAE says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 4:11 pm

    If there wasn’t this “pond” between us, it would’ve been 20,000 & 1 protesters!
    May God Bless Tommy and all his supporters.

  10. Berengaria says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 4:11 pm

    Has anyone received any info about Tommy’s Condition? I pray that the Authorities(Police) have Not thrown him to the Muslim Mobs, that run your Prison System.
    Incarceration Spots in both the UK & USA seem to be run by the Islamist Inmates, while Trolling Imams encourage their “Flock” to
    make an example out of anyone, who will not Submit!
    May God Protect Tommy!

  11. No Muzzies Here says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 4:26 pm

    This shows that the politicians currently in power haven’t turned all the people into sheep. However, the politicians have the power, and are determined to hold on to that power, and they know that Whites will not be the key to that power, and that it’s Muslims who are the key to that power.

  12. SB says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 4:32 pm

    I love Tommy, he is a man among men. Let there be no more islamization of Europe. Let there be many more Tommy Robinsons!

  13. Rezali Mehil says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 4:55 pm

    I dont agree with the imprisonment of TR. Whatever his views … he should be able to say them … just like everybody else.

    One thing …why is Raheem Kassam on the menu of speakers.. I thought you did not trust any Muslims… what was he doing there? Am I being too hard or is this a muta ado about nothing.

    p.s. why was Joshua looking for food… these people normally take sandwiches with them…

    More Later…

    Rezali

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 10, 2018 at 5:50 pm

      I see the dishonest Rezali Mehil is back:

      I dont agree with the imprisonment of TR. Whatever his views … he should be able to say them … just like everybody else.
      …………………………..

      What absolute tripe. Rezali Mehil has said in the past that when Muslims take over England that they will impose Shari’ah law–surely she is not pretending that Tommy Robinson would be allowed to speak out about the threat of Islam under Shari’ah? This is specifically barred under oppressive Islamic law.

      More:

      One thing …why is Raheem Kassam on the menu of speakers.. I thought you did not trust any Muslims… what was he doing there? Am I being too hard or is this a muta ado about nothing.
      …………………………..

      More crap. Raheem Kassam is an *apostate* from Islam. He is, famously, an Atheist who said he was inspired by Christopher Hitchens.

      Rezali Mehil has affirmed that apostates may be murdered.

      More:

      p.s. why was Joshua looking for food… these people normally take sandwiches with them…
      …………………………..

      “These people”? I see that Rezali Mehil is now demanding that Infidels not be allowed to patronize restaurants in their own nations.

      Non-Muslims may have to pack food and eat in secret during Ramadan in places like Pakistan–this is *not* the case in the civilized world.

      More:

      More Later…

      Rezali
      …………………………..

      I’m sure this is true–she keeps turning up like a bad penny…

      • isaac says

        Jun 10, 2018 at 5:59 pm

        Pretty sure he states that the day was over and he went looking for food. It’s a normal human habit – the need to eat.

        • jayell says

          Jun 11, 2018 at 6:35 am

          Well, it is pretty normal in the UK, but then maybe Ms. Mehil grew up in some islamic desert region where the locals rob passing kuffar of their lunch-boxes whilst beheading the men and raping the women. Perhaps she could also explain the rather curious phrase ‘muta ado about nothing’. There is no English word ‘muta’, so what language is that from? Unless, of course, it is supposed to be a reference the great William Shakespeare’s play ‘Much Ado About Nothing’, which is very famous indeed in British and the English-speaking world culture, but apparently not very familiar to Ms. Mehil, because she can’t even get the title right and doesn’t seem to realise that the substance of that particular play has absolutely zero relevance to the boringly mundane act of simply obtaining a fast food meal in central London. But then, when one is a superior Muslim enjoying the Allah-given benefits of social security resources dutifully donated by the local kuffar in return for the privilege of experiencing of one’s spiritually-uplifting and culturally-scintillating presence, such tedious and insignificant errors are of absolutely no consequence. So we’re going to get more later, Ms Mehil? My God, the anticipation!

        • Rezali Mehil says

          Jun 11, 2018 at 3:21 pm

          @Jayell …

          muta ado about nothing … “muta is a sweet pleasure temporary marriage “… and so this is what this march is… a temp pleasure which makes people feel good …gives their member a bit of exercise but hey 10mins and its over … people then go about looking for food …which is exactly what happened here.

          Jayell … you noticed… good you on …which was far more that that thick b*tch graven…. who thinks she is so clever… tell her to go adopt … that normally means a fight with her seedless other half Dennis.

          Keep up the good work …
          More Later …

          Rezali

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 11, 2018 at 10:11 pm

          More from the vile Rezali Mehil:

          @Jayell …

          muta ado about nothing … “muta is a sweet pleasure temporary marriage “… and so this is what this march is… a temp pleasure which makes people feel good …gives their member a bit of exercise but hey 10mins and its over … people then go about looking for food …which is exactly what happened here.

          Jayell … you noticed… good you on …which was far more that that thick b*tch graven…. who thinks she is so clever… tell her to go adopt … that normally means a fight with her seedless other half Dennis.
          ……………………………

          Of course I know what ugly Mut’ah “marriages” are–just sacrailized prostitution–I wrote about them here just the other day, when David Wood lamponed it.

          “Islamicize Me Day 12: Temporary Marriage (Nikah Mut’ah)”

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/05/islamicize-me-day-12-temporary-marriage-nikah-mutah

          I have several comments there.

          I got Rezali Mehil’s use of the nasty term–just did not consider it at all witty.

          And she thinks she is insulting my husband by calling him “Dennis”–she’s done this before–but Dennis is urban slang for a great guy.

          Perhaps Rezali Mehil considers this an insult because he loves me, , respects medoesn’t beat me and has never once tried to “Honor Kill” me. That is a very bad husband by Islamic standards.

          As for her dismissing the importance of this demonstration, she has to. She can’t admit that Infidels may be standing up for their values in England. Bad dhimmis…

        • jayell says

          Jun 12, 2018 at 7:13 pm

          “Jayell … you noticed… good you on …which was far more that that thick b*tch graven…. who thinks she is so clever… tell her to go adopt … that normally means a fight with her seedless other half Dennis….”

          Well, Ms.Mehil, than you for that explanation. Since I don’t deal in such repulsive foreign concepts as ‘muta’, or the disgusting ideologies and people that go with them, it was very interesting to see what you have to say. I’m not sure that I quite follow your ‘clever’ thinking, if that’s what you call it. However, I think you’re being just a touch smug and over-optimistic if you think that this the demo here doesn’t mean the start of big trouble here in the UK, because I’m afraid that it is just that. You clearly don’t know or understand the British people. And obviously there’s going to be a lot more to come, starting on July 14th..

          Now for your reply to Gravenimage. We don’t normally get such revoltingly uncouth, puerile and insulting garbage on this website, which, in the UK, is the sort of thing one would normally associate with a thoroughly ill-mannered ignoramus who hasn’t the wherewithal to rise above the gutter level. If this is the best that one can manage, perhaps one should seriously ask oneself if one should be consorting with polite company (like on this site) – where one clearly doesn’t belong. So we could do well WITHOUT the ‘more later’ if this is the standard.

    • bob fincher says

      Jun 10, 2018 at 6:27 pm

      Raheem Kazaam is one of the good guys who speaks up for Tommy and his book about Europes no go zones is a great informative buy. Looking at the day overall it was summed up in various uploads of the masses of normal working class people who have had enough of our two party Tory/Labour gravy train. We need For Britain to take charge!

    • Wellington says

      Jun 10, 2018 at 7:32 pm

      Just wanted you to know, Rezali, that I fully endorse gravenimage’s devastating response to you.

      What a mendacious clown you are, which is to say a typical Muslim deceiver and apologist.

      More later,

      Wellington

      • rezali Mehil says

        Jun 11, 2018 at 4:01 pm

        Salaam Wellington,

        Graven’s response was highly predictable.. full of venom, hate and untruths… paradoxically… it is what you people accuse muslims of.

        Of course this has gone on for time immemorial … the old testament was full of invective, and order to violence… yet you christians tossed it to one side and go for the watered down BS… and then say “what me ….violent” …have you read the (new) testament?”

        It was the same at crusade time “you get into Jerusalem and wipe out every man, child and woman…. and then say “what r u taking about? … it was defensive response” as Mr Spencer so fondly likes to remind us.

        So Mr Wellington, …where is your peace? …where do you get off on this … do you take your member in your hand and stroke it while watching a drone strike, a zoomed up version in ultra high definition TV screen… hoping to come and scream YEEEEAAAAH just when that missile strikes… musrooming into a bright orange explosion coinciding exactly with you letting off 6 inches of christian cotton fluff into the air making you sweat despite your pot belly (p.s. when did you last see your ankles)?

        No doubt that you too go after looking for food after …naked…balding, stinking ..dripping all the way to the fridge … one foot after the other propelling that fat fat belly which is swinging in the wrong direction after each step … you fat dirty sloppy christian.

        Yes I think I have that right about you ….

        more later …

        Rezali

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 11, 2018 at 10:24 pm

          Yet more from the nasty rezali Mehil:

          Salaam Wellington,

          Graven’s response was highly predictable.. full of venom, hate and untruths… paradoxically… it is what you people accuse muslims of.
          ……………………..

          Note that Rezali Mehil is unable to cite a single thing that I said that was untrue. No surprise there.

          More:

          Of course this has gone on for time immemorial … the old testament was full of invective, and order to violence… yet you christians tossed it to one side and go for the watered down BS… and then say “what me ….violent” …have you read the (new) testament?”
          ……………………..

          Now she is castigating Christians for not being violent…she is also, of course, wrong about the Torah.

          More:

          It was the same at crusade time “you get into Jerusalem and wipe out every man, child and woman…. and then say “what r u taking about? … it was defensive response” as Mr Spencer so fondly likes to remind us.
          ……………………..

          Firstly, the claim that the Crusaders wiped out every man, woman, and child in Jersusalem is obvious ahistorical claptrap.

          Then–as is so common–Rezali Mehil has to go back a thousand years to find an even vaguely plausible example.

          Whereas, she herself has affirmed that Muslims have the right to rape, enslave, and mass slaughter Infidels.

          She has said that her own aunt was a Hindu raped and forcibly married to her uncle–and has *praised* her uncle for this savagery.

          More:

          So Mr Wellington, …where is your peace? …where do you get off on this … do you take your member in your hand and stroke it while watching a drone strike, a zoomed up version in ultra high definition TV screen… hoping to come and scream YEEEEAAAAH just when that missile strikes… musrooming into a bright orange explosion coinciding exactly with you letting off 6 inches of christian cotton fluff into the air making you sweat despite your pot belly (p.s. when did you last see your ankles)?

          No doubt that you too go after looking for food after …naked…balding, stinking ..dripping all the way to the fridge … one foot after the other propelling that fat fat belly which is swinging in the wrong direction after each step … you fat dirty sloppy christian.

          Yes I think I have that right about you ….
          ……………………..

          More bizarre fantasies from Rezali Mehil–she has engaged in some really strange fantasies about myself, also.

          As for her being right about this, she is not even right about her first claim about Wellington. He has said quite often here that while he respects Christianity, that he himself is a rational Agnostic.

          All the rest, of course, is even more grotesque calumny about the civilized Wellington.

          More:

          more later …

          Rezali
          ……………………..

          This last–that she’ll probably be back–is the only honest thing she has said here.

        • rezali Mehil says

          Jun 12, 2018 at 3:55 pm

          Yeoo Wellington… cat got your fat tongue….

          Why is Graven answering for you … or Jayell what is wrong with American men these days? Well let me tell you how it is …she is a dictator….. your bully; she may be old …but she behaves a like a millennium feminist.. you know the type …the modern pisshead who is man hater.

          She says of Dennis “he doesn’t beat me and has never once tried to “Honor Kill” me”.
          Quite right … as it is the other direction that he is worried about … she bullies him,smacks him and warns of harm if HE steps out of line?

          So it is you Wellington I want to hear from …tell her to p*ss off and speak up for your self

          More Later …

          Rezali

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 12, 2018 at 8:05 pm

          More and more from the appalling rezali Mehil:

          Yeoo Wellington… cat got your fat tongue….

          Why is Graven answering for you … or Jayell what is wrong with American men these days?
          …………………………………

          Actually, Jayell is British–yet another thing Rezali Mehil is wrong about. Notice that she is *still* unable to cite anything I got wrong.

          And American men are just fine–they often have things to do beside replying to Muslim supremacists.

          More:

          Well let me tell you how it is …she is a dictator….. your bully; she may be old …but she behaves a like a millennium feminist.. you know the type …the modern pisshead who is man hater.
          …………………………………

          Note the bizarre claim that my replying to Muslim prevarications supposedly makes me a “dictator” and a “bully”–talk about projection! As she would have it, of course, no Infidel should be allowed to contradict a Muslim–just as it is under Islamic law.

          And I’m not actually all that old–just middle aged. Since Rezali Mehil has said she hs grown daughters, we may well be about the same age–unless, of course, she was the victim of child marriage–quite possible. After all, she has defended child rape many times here before, and castigated good people who stand against it.

          And right on this thread I have shown my respect for Tommy Robinson, Joshua Winston, Wellington, Jayell, and Leonard Cohen–and probably others–I’m not going to comb back through the entire comments. These are all men–is this indicative of a man-hater? Elsewhere here, I have shown my respect for Robert Spencer, Hugh Fitzgerald, Jaime Glazov, David Wood, Mark Steyne, my own husband, and hundreds of other males.

          Where have I *ever* exhibited hatred of men? Of course, Rezali Mehil is not able to cite a single instance in the twelve years I have been posting here.

          More:

          She says of Dennis “he doesn’t beat me and has never once tried to “Honor Kill” me”.
          Quite right … as it is the other direction that he is worried about … she bullies him,smacks him and warns of harm if HE steps out of line?
          …………………………………

          More vicious fantasies. As Muslims have it, if men are not beating and threatening to murder women, that this means that women are abusing men.

          She simply cannot conceive of a situation where men and women love and respect each other, and there is no abuse. *Very telling*.

          It is the same with oppression of Infidels–Muslims pretend that if they are not allowed to persecute the Kuffar that they–somehow–are being abused themselves. Equality is simply not a concept in Islam. *Ugh*.

          Of course I have never abused my husband–the idea is grotesque.

          When we disagree–as all independent humans do at times–we talk it out, or just agree to disagree. And we always proceed with basic love and respect no matter the issue.

          Love is simply an alien concept in Islam. *Ugh*.

          More:

          So it is you Wellington I want to hear from …tell her to p*ss off and speak up for your self
          …………………………………

          The idea that my posting here somehow does not allow Wellington to do so is absurd. In addition to everything else, Rezali Mehil understands nothing about freedom of speech.

          More:

          More Later …

          Rezali
          …………………………………

          Another threat…

        • Wellington says

          Jun 13, 2018 at 6:34 pm

          You have nothing right about me nor about gravenimage, Rezali, but here is what you demonstrate in full: You are a sicko and how fitting since you are an apologist for the worst religion ever created by man, a religion whose reputed founder was a sicko many times over but, unfortunately, on a massively influential scale. Hey, sometimes shit hits the fan. This accurately describes Islam. It is the “shit” of world religions and it has hit the fan again and again to mankind’s detriment to this very day.

          Again is demonstrated by you or any Muslim who tries to defend Islam that Islam is not only not defensible but it serves as ipso facto evidence, once the “details” of Islam are cogently examined, of mankind at its worst. But, of course, you won’t get any of this, since no Muslim, even the most uninformed and benign, “get” just how awful the Islamic faith is.

          This is all for now. More later. You are a very good Muslim, Rezali, which is to say you are an awful excuse for a human being. Oh yeah, the “better” the Muslim the worse the humanity such person possesses. For instance, you.

          Yes indeed, an inverse proportionality of the first order here. And may your Allah strike me dead tonight if your Allah exists. Be with you soon, Rezali, because there is no Allah, the character of Mohammed is that of a clever, self-serving psychopath and the Koran is the most turgid, unreadable, stupid religious work of all time, never mind all the hate it spews ad nauseam.

          As ever I remain, Rezali

          non-Islamically yours,

          Wellington

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 11, 2018 at 10:29 pm

        Thank you, Wellingtom.

        • Carol the 1st says

          Jun 12, 2018 at 1:07 am

          A cat fight! Lots of fun!

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 12, 2018 at 8:11 pm

          Actually, Carol, I counter the lies of *any* Muslim apologist here, male or female. 🙂

    • Anne Smith says

      Jun 11, 2018 at 5:30 am

      Raheem Kassam is a super chap. A thinker and a brave man.

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 11, 2018 at 10:30 pm

        True, Anne. He is a brave Muslim apostate.

      • Carol the 1st says

        Jun 11, 2018 at 10:32 pm

        Polished and crude, how do you like them mutah’s??

  14. gravenimage says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 5:18 pm

    20,000 People Come Out for Tommy Robinson at London’s Whitehall
    ………………….

    *Excellent* news–especially, as Joshua Winston notes, with all of the grotesque misinformation and calumny against Tommy Robinson tht is out there.

  15. Cicero says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 5:32 pm

    Joshua Winston – an excellent piece of reporting by a Britisher in the know.
    Thank you Joshua please blow down the walls of the mainstream media with the trumpet of your searingly lucid reports from mighty Blighty ,,!,!

    • Joshua Winston says

      Jun 10, 2018 at 6:01 pm

      Thank you very much.

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 11, 2018 at 10:34 pm

        +1

  16. Wellington says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 5:52 pm

    Tommy Robinson puts Theresa May to shame. I sincerely hope this brave man will be remembered a very long time from now when freedom still exists and Muslims and the defense of their liberty-crushing creed by willfully ignorant dhimmi fools like May, Macron, Merkel and Pope Francis will have been consigned, finally, once and for all, to the trash heap of history.

    Let me put it another way. Brits can put Robinson in charge of Britain’s future over the next ten years or May in charge over the same time period. These are your only two hypothetical options. Whom are you going with? Speaking for myself, it’s a no-brainer of a choice. Sometimes, you know, you have to present only a stark contrast, no shades of gray allowed or necessary, to determine where the truth, often elusive as it is, ultimately resides.

  17. dumbledoresarmy says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 6:24 pm

    Here’s another very detailed description by one who was there (a middle-aged lady, btw). The vast, vast, vast majority of the attendees were peaceful and law-abiding. And there were young people among them – young men and young *women* (look down through the photographs: a back view of two very handsome young ladies, one black, one white, arm in arm and holding high their ‘Free Tommy Robinson’ placards). The observer took the photo herself, and remarked – “There were all manner of people including a lot of older ladies who come over quite maternal in Tommy’s support. This white woman and black woman arm in arm are not my idea of knuckle-dragging football thugs.”

    https://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm?blog_id=67475

    At the conclusion of the report, she writes – We sang the national anthem and began to disperse.

    “I have heard that ** there was a small group of maybe 20 men who clashed with the police away from the main rally** (this causes me to smell a rat – I would bet they were agents provocateurs – dda) with the result that the four pubs of Whitehall closed temporarily.

    “**Out of 20,000 people that is a very low incidence of bad behaviour, however it is the aspect of the day upon which all the newspapers have focused.** (as expected – dda)

    “Other than Breitbart who wrote about Geert Wilders

    “On the way to Westminster underground station the police were clearing up after the left wingers. They are a lazy and untidy bunch…”.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 11, 2018 at 11:21 pm

      Thanks for the heartening report, DDA.

  18. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 6:25 pm

    If he’s killed in prison, will 20,000 come out? Why not 200,000 or 2 million?

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Jun 10, 2018 at 7:20 pm

      at least that.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 11, 2018 at 11:31 pm

      I want to see Tommy Robinson *stay safe* and be free as soon as possible.

      • LeftisruiningCanada says

        Jun 12, 2018 at 12:42 am

        Absolutely. If they don’t budge on the sentence though, 13 months in solitary is the best case scenario. He’s a tough lad so i’m sure that won’t bother him too much, but still….not great.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 12, 2018 at 8:15 pm

          I hope he is out long before this.

        • LeftisruiningCanada says

          Jun 12, 2018 at 8:55 pm

          Anything is possible.

          >>>>And it would REALLY get the members of a certain peaceful religion annoyed<<<<

    • Stephen says

      Jun 12, 2018 at 6:49 am

      If he is killed in prison, it may light the fuse to a civil war, but I rather wonder whether that fuse Mau already be lit.

      If pur tyrannical government and police state wants to calm things down, they need to release Tommy, he will do that but we demand full and accurate reporting of all the Muslim rape gangs infesting this country, with prompt reporting.

      Nobody mentioned the fact that Tommy got his suspended sentence last year in Canterbury as a result of his reporting outside the Crown Court but reporting restrictions have yet to be lifted with regards to the scum who were on trial!

      • LeftisruiningCanada says

        Jun 12, 2018 at 11:42 am

        Exactly. And to say that he was disturbing the peace as a pretext to claim broken license conditions is obvyou iously stretching things beyond breaking point.

        And, when we consider that T Robinson is far from the only Brit that has been subjected to legal attention and prison just because they said something or tweeted something ‘offensive’, you may well be right.

        Just yesterday i learned about another case where a man, this time in Scotland, was arrested on his own doorstep, after dark, and imprisoned for 3 days, all because of a single line joke he posted on twitter.

        The arresting officer was a muslim too….

        There is some coarse language from these guys, just so you know:

        https://youtu.be/fpoi0SQK3-4?t=153

  19. Linda says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 6:32 pm

    20,000 people in attendance, but not a peep from the MSM. Unbelievable!

  20. Linda says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 6:44 pm

    • Joy says

      Jun 11, 2018 at 3:51 am

      Brilliant!! And even though Leonard Cohen was from the Left, somehow I don’t think he’d dislike this riff on Hallelujah! It is SUCH a GREAT song of freedom – and the words are so spot-on! “How they rule ya, how they rule ya!” OMG. Has Pamela heard this version? She was the one who turned me on to Cohen – whom, of course, I’d long heard of but never knew or heard his music! And he was in my era, too!! I shall archive this ditty and play it over & over again!! Anyone who knows this song and Leonard Cohen will have to admit that the SPIRIT of the song, in these new words, is really in keeping with many of Cohen’s well-known themes.

    • Linda Clark formerly Linnte says

      Jun 11, 2018 at 6:22 am

      Wow. Truly WOW! Cohen would have liked the ingenuity! God BLESS TOMMY ROBINSON!

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 11, 2018 at 11:38 pm

      I love Leonard Cohen’s music.

  21. Brigitte from Germany says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 6:47 pm

    https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-free-tommy-robinson?recruiter=855854356&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition

    Here is the petition;

    Free Robin.
    Sign it, please!
    Share it, please!

  22. Rarely says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 7:17 pm

    Joshua Winston.
    Did I read correctly?
    You interrupted a man talking to his girlfriend on the street and verbally accosted him? And then you accuse him of not entering into a debate with you on the issues? Are you mad? Furthermore, where do YOU stand on free speech. A man holding a different opinion than you cannot even have a private conversation with his girl friend without you taking it as an invitation to take him to task?

    You sound as bad as those left-wingers taking so much heat on this site. You should be ashamed of yourself an d not go around crowing about it.

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Jun 10, 2018 at 7:26 pm

      Don’t agree.

      In a public space it is entirely legitimate to approach another person and ask their opinion on a certain matter, especially when it is obvious that said person was involved in a nearby political event.

      There was no violence offered by Mr Winston, and thankfully none was returned (though i suspect this would have been otherwise had Mr Manchild been accompanied with like minded supporters).

      Why do Mr Winston’s actions shock you so?

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 10, 2018 at 7:27 pm

      Rarely seldom has much critical to say about violent Jihad, but he is incensed that an Anti-Jihadist would speak to someone pulling down signs on a public street. Bad, bad dhimis…

      • Wellington says

        Jun 10, 2018 at 7:44 pm

        “Rarely,” gravenimage, has accused me of being an apologist for Neo-Nazis and KKK members simply because I contended that while all such people are confused and ignorant, not all are evil. But then Rarely went on to defend many Communists.

        Well, I want to be consistent here. Just as I don’t think every Neo-Nazi and KKK member is evil per se, though some certainly are and what they adhere to is certainly evil, so is it the case that not all Communists/Marxists are evil, though all are confused, and what they believe in is manifestly wicked.

        I suspect Rarely is here to make trouble. He is a cheap-shot kind of person and I put no trust in him even though he says some things that I can agree with.

        For the record.

        • Rarely says

          Jun 10, 2018 at 8:12 pm

          I still do not admit that there are any “good” neo-Nazis and few, if any, good KKKers.
          I do not defend “Communists” per se and am against the Stalin and Mao varieties as much as anyone. However, there are many varieties of Communism some of which are pretty benign (harmless, in fact). Nothing to fear there. No need to resurrect McCarthy for them.

          Now go to the topic at hand and forget the character assassination.

          You call my comments on this Joshua Winston “cheap shots?” They’re only “cheap” because I could find the words to say what I had to say more elegantly.

        • Wellington says

          Jun 10, 2018 at 8:23 pm

          I never said there were ANY good Neo-Nazis or good KKK members. Again, you distort. But let me make it CRYSTAL FUCKING CLEAR: There are NO good Neo-Nazis or KKK members. Got this, you liar? Well get it!

          And to assert as you did that some varieties of Communism are benign is just as silly and erroneous as asserting that there are some varieties of Nazism or the KKK that are benign.

          Marxism, Nazism and Islam are all evil (ditto for the KKK) because they are all totalitarian ideologies and establish an “us v. them” paradigm. They are all a prescription for the eradication of liberty and invariably for genocide. They are all equally evil but not every Muslim, Neo-Nazi, or Marxist is evil even though what they believe in most certainly is.

          I find it highly instructive that you not only continue to distort what I have said but that you give Communism a partial pass, only proving once again that while right-wing totalitarian ideologies are virtually universally denigrated, as they should be, left-wing totalitarian ideologies often are not. You prove this in microcosm. You make me sick.

        • LeftisruiningCanada says

          Jun 10, 2018 at 8:26 pm

          Outside the scale of a single hippy camp there are no benign kinds of Communism, and even they usually leave damaged people in their wake.

          And not even really in their wake, as that implies forward movement across the surface.

          No, Communisms and Socialisms are only ever on a downward plummet to the depths, dragging anyone caught in their undertow down with them. Life knows which way is up, though, so some do manage to hold their breath long enough to make it back up to the surface.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 10, 2018 at 8:36 pm

          Of course the stalwart Wellington considers neo-Nazism and the Klan evil. He has said so many times.

          And it would be interesting to see what forms of Communism Rarely embraces, if he has a problem with the “Stalin and Mao varieties”. Pol Pot? Kim Jong Un?

      • Rarely says

        Jun 10, 2018 at 8:32 pm

        gravenimage.

        Violent jihad is so abhorrent that it attracts huge outrage here (and rightly so). Where I feel I have something new to add I do but I don’t see the need to be overly redundant. Don’t take it as complacency or, worse yet, approval. Nothing could be further from the truth,

        I do try to be fair and not see everything bad a muslim does as a jihadist act or proof of the evils of islam. On the contrary, I tend to go the other way. e.g. when the car attack that killed so many in Toronto by someone with a muslim name happened a while ago I was ranting on this site that it was clearly an islamist event (even before JW labeled it so). I was wrong, it wasn’t.

        In this case notwithstanding that the guy removed a poster, it was certainly very bad form, to say the least, to fly into a rage and accost him in front of his girlfriend because the Joshua Winston is offended by his opinion. I suspect that the reporter had the physical advantage and was most intimidating. Intimidation is the tool the far left uses to silence opposing views. Very bad form indeed.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 10, 2018 at 9:00 pm

          Rarely wrote:

          gravenimage.

          Violent jihad is so abhorrent that it attracts huge outrage here (and rightly so). Where I feel I have something new to add I do but I don’t see the need to be overly redundant. Don’t take it as complacency or, worse yet, approval. Nothing could be further from the truth,
          ……………………..

          I see–it goes without saying to such an extent that Rarely rarely says it…

          More:

          I do try to be fair and not see everything bad a muslim does as a jihadist act or proof of the evils of islam. On the contrary, I tend to go the other way. e.g. when the car attack that killed so many in Toronto by someone with a muslim name happened a while ago I was ranting on this site that it was clearly an islamist event (even before JW labeled it so). I was wrong, it wasn’t.
          ……………………..

          Why is it a good thing that your first instinct is to defend violent and invading Muslims? Isn’t there a great deal of this as it is?

          And jumping to conclusions over an incident being Jihad–when Jihad Watch never did–is an odd thing to point to as a supposedly mitigating factor.

          More:

          In this case notwithstanding that the guy removed a poster, it was certainly very bad form, to say the least, to fly into a rage and accost him in front of his girlfriend because the Joshua Winston is offended by his opinion. I suspect that the reporter had the physical advantage and was most intimidating. Intimidation is the tool the far left uses to silence opposing views. Very bad form indeed.
          ……………………..

          How did Joshua Winston “fly into a rage”? He overheard what this man was saying, and disputed his calumny.

          You often find people discussing the issues at a demonstration in its immediate aftermath, sometimes heatedly. So long as the discussion is non-violent and non-threatening–as it was here–I see no problem with it.

          There was nothing that Winston said that indicated that he was intimidating, nor that he intended to be.

          I note that while you excoriate Winston with defending Tommy Robinson, that you have nothing to say about his unjust arrest and incarceration for exercizing his freedom of speech. Why am I not much surprised?

    • Joshua Winston says

      Jun 11, 2018 at 3:31 am

      As stated, I was passing him, not accosting him. I also happen to know Tommy and have chatted with him on the phone. The man was being very vocal with his views towards Tommy. If you passed someone on the street who was blatantly lying about your friend and you overheard it, would you not intervene and set the record straight? And why is it my fault that he can’t stand his ground and prove his point???

      • LeftisruiningCanada says

        Jun 11, 2018 at 12:38 pm

        Couldn’t agree more.

        Free and open interaction with and questioning of ideas is fundamental.

        That is what this whole thing is all about!

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 11, 2018 at 11:43 pm

        Thank you.

      • Stephen says

        Jun 12, 2018 at 6:55 am

        Well said, Joshua. As a Jew, I have experienced plenty of antisemitism and when I hear it, I have no problem debating it.

        Just to repeat, I as there and again, I commend your reporting.

        • Stephen says

          Jun 12, 2018 at 7:00 am

          I was there …

      • Stephen says

        Jun 12, 2018 at 6:56 am

        When Tommy is free, I hope that I can meet him to shake his hand and congratulate him for his courage.

        • LeftisruiningCanada says

          Jun 12, 2018 at 11:44 am

          Good job skin cells grow back, otherwise it’s likely he’d have no arm left after everyone who wants to shakes his hand.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 12, 2018 at 8:38 pm

          Hear, hear!

  23. Truth says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 7:32 pm

    The UK. Land of censorship.

    • Stephen says

      Jun 12, 2018 at 6:58 am

      Roger Stone, from Infowars, was here a few months ago and he said that he thought we were worse than the USA. His Smith scathing comments were reserved for the BBC.

  24. JM says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 7:36 pm

    609,540 people have signed the “Theresa May MP: Free Tommy Robinson” petition on change.org.
    The petition is still open. Getting to 1 million would make even Theresa May, her abject minions, and her globalist bosses take notice. Hopefully it will free Tommy Robinson from what awaits him in the jihadi-infested U.K. prison system.

    Link:
    https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-free-tommy-robinson

  25. Arthur says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 8:28 pm

    A lot of people point out that most of the protestors were peaceful, and only a few drunks interacted with the police.

    However, tyrants generally do not ascertain the need for change until half the population steamrolls its way through police lines to walk directly into the corridors of power. Remember the collapse of the Soviet Union?

    If people cannot regain control through their vote, they either submit or regain control through force. Politely asking a tyrant for your freedom has seldom worked in history. This newest development is encouraging in that it may force the UK government to show its true colors. The UK clearly needs an alternative/underground media.

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Jun 10, 2018 at 8:32 pm

      A succinct argument for the USA’s Second Amendment 🙂

  26. Rarely says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 9:12 pm

    Wellington.
    Correct. You DID NOT say there were good Neo-Nazis or KKKers.
    You did, however, call them “confused”. To me that is giving them a “pass”. I do not agree that they are the way they are because they are, as you imply, “misinformed” or, perhaps, “gullible”. I find it very difficult (impossible, in fact) to accept that anyone who VOLUNTARILY joins an organization as bigoted, racist and vile as the Neo-Nazis and KKK is simply being “confused”. They are much darker than that. It appeared that you may be an apologist for some of those groups.

    I do not defend Marxists, Marxist-Leninists, Maoists, or the like in any way shape or form.

    Furthermore, I agree that the Far-Left engages in “identity politics” which is dangerously polarizing. Both the Nazis and Communists necessarily used “identity politics” as the basis of their power resulting in the deaths of dozens (if not hundreds) of millions of people in the past 90-100 years. They are, by far the most dangerous group labeling people by the “group” they belong to (e.g. white male privilege) but they are not alone in doing so. For one, the Far-Right is at it too.

    Of course none of this addresses the current article.

    • Wellington says

      Jun 10, 2018 at 11:16 pm

      I have never apologized in any way whatsoever for adult Neo-Nazis, KKK members, Muslims or Marxists. Shame on them all. Let me repeat that—shame on them all.

      What I have said is that there are some in all four of these groups who are not themselves evil per se though what they believe in is evil and there are certainly some in all four groups who are indeed evil precisely because they want to, and actually often do, implement the full nine yards of their malevolent belief system. But even though I do not think every last adult Marxist, Muslim, Neo-Nazi and KKK member is an evil human being, I do think that every last one, AT THE VERY LEAST, is a confused and foolish human being. To call ALL KKK members, Muslims, Marxists and Neo-Nazis evil is to diminish true evil, to actually dilute it, which is never a good or sapient thing to do. You can disagree with me about this but don’t turn it in any way into my being an apologist for any adult in any of these four groups.

  27. Lydia Church says

    Jun 10, 2018 at 11:41 pm

    His was such a typical snowflake spoiled brat leftist response;
    no reasonable reply, just get angry, turn red in the face, clench your fists, pout, and storm away.
    The only reply you will ever get is: “well….because!”

  28. Tom S. says

    Jun 11, 2018 at 12:52 am

    It was just me out in front of the British Embassy on Saturday morning. The Secret Service came out for a chat (great guys BTW). It was probably the safest demonstration ever thanks to the Vice President’s guard.

  29. John says

    Jun 11, 2018 at 1:58 am

    May the authorities understand that there will be serious and enduring consequences if some harm comes to Tommy while he is under the care of HM Prison Services.

  30. Felix Quigley says

    Jun 11, 2018 at 2:50 am

    The writer of a piece on the demonstration in London to FREE Tommy Robinson in a quite good report (while all the Media are hostile and silent on what really happened, especially the numbers) has this to say..

    “Regrettably, upon arrival at No. 10, one small section of people thought that storming the gates and abusing the police would be the order of the day. Raheem grabbed the microphone and quickly ended it by telling them that that wasn’t why they had gathered, and that the police weren’t the problem. The problem comes from above the local cops’ heads.”

    It is obvious and to be expected that the police and Special Branch have their own agent provocateur force at all of these events, that the organizers probably know them by now, and that Raheem was able THIS TIME to keep control of the event. The Special Branch will have learned and new tactics will be developed. In any case it would be very foolhardy to underestimate this aspect of the campaign to free Tommy Robinson.

    I am also particularly disturbed by another aspect of this otherwise welcome report by Joshua Winston and that is the way that he has in general portrayed the police. This takes the form of a conversation he had with ONE policeman. By this reporting of this conversation Winston is portraying the police as a force which is friendly to Robinson, that is the same police which scooped Robinson off the street and started all of this recent episode. Here it is..

    “He told me that “Antifa, if you can call them that, all left after an hour.” There were only about 100 of them who had bothered to turn up. The officer finished our exchange by telling me, “The average age of the counter-protesters was around 80,” ”

    This policeman may be friendly to Tommy Robinson or he may not, depends really on how you view this. He may be giving Winston what he wants.

    But it would be a huge mistake to take that as a general rule as far as the police are concerned. The police in Britain are by now a politicized force and are very firmly in on the making of Britain Multicultural and eventually Islamicized.

    Now for some real Marxist theory. Britain is a capitalist country and capitalism as a system is prone to severe crises.

    Britain in the shape of British capitalism has sold its national basis and has become multicultural which means NO CULTURE.

    It will be very hard to deal with this without removing this British capitalist class and replacing it with working class power, as Lenin did in the Bolshevik Revolution.

    Put this in a different way. The issue of Tommy Robinson is not one of pressure but of power. Who has the power of the state?

    Tommy Robinson is still in prison. Will he be freed? Remember when he is eventually let out at the end of his term they will get another charge against him. The Britain First leaders are being ignored. Were they mentioned from the stage?

    • Joshua Winston says

      Jun 11, 2018 at 3:37 am

      Oh, do shut up. How on earth did you come to that conclusion? I could also have told you that at an EDL rally, I was asking cops directions and one of them said to me, “Why on earth would you want to go see EDL?” with a huge look of disgust on his face. I told him that while he’s in uniform, he must remain impartial and make sure everyone is safe and that he must not take sides. My interaction with the policeman at the Free Tommy event was nothing more than a surprising piece of a humourous exchange with a policeman. It’s not my fault that you’re imposing your own meaning onto it.

      • Felix Quigley says

        Jun 11, 2018 at 10:31 am

        Joshua writes…

        “Oh, do shut up”

        I reply to Joshua “Cool it man!” and be a little more temperate with a colleague in this fight to free Tommy Robinson.

        These issues, all of them, are vital issues and there is none bigger than the role of the police. Why they are, what they do, what they have done, what they will do????

        And linked to that question of the police, the question of the army, and people need to ask themselves why the army was so hated in the Welsh valleys?
        http://www.welshcoalmines.co.uk/forum/read.php?14,52627

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 11, 2018 at 11:53 pm

          Yes, we all know that Felix Quigley wants to destroy the free West and replace with Communist totalitarianism. That does not mean that anyone else here has to agree.

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Jun 11, 2018 at 1:45 pm

      The UK is a heavily regulated mixed economy surely, just like the USA, Canada and the rest of the West?

      To say that it is “Capitalist” without noting that it is far from a genuinely free market seems a little disingenuous.

      It seems that most forms of economy that have actually been practiced in reality have their crisises, some more than others.
      Like life in general i suppose.

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 11, 2018 at 11:59 pm

        Also, the idea that Communism makes for a stable prosperity could not be more absurd.

        • LeftisruiningCanada says

          Jun 12, 2018 at 8:57 pm

          Unless by ‘prosperity’ we mean ‘famine’.

  31. Felix Quigley says

    Jun 11, 2018 at 3:20 am

    A few comments ago that well known fighter for the British working class going by the name of “Wellington” had this to say in relation to the march…

    “I have never apologized in any way whatsoever for adult Neo-Nazis, KKK members, Muslims or Marxists. Shame on them all. Let me repeat that—shame on them all.”

    I note what Wellington has done. He has created a category and inside that category he places KKK racists, He places Muslims aka the Koran Fascism, he places Nazism, and he places Marxism.

    In his short piece he does this not once, say accidentally, but he repeats this formulation three or four times, which means not accidentally at all but very consciously.

    Wellington is seeking to place Marxism and Marxists, that is Trotskyism and Trotskyists, (LIKE ME) into the box with Nazism, with Hitler, with Antisemitism, with the Holocaust.

    So Wellington as part of this campaign to free Tommy Robinson is placing ME in the same box as Adolf Hitler and is placing Lenin and Trotsky in the same box also.

    So Wellington would need to explain then what precisely he means by “Marxism”. If he explains that then perhaps things can be plainer. As a Marxist and a Trotskyist I am working to free Tommy Robinson.

    As regards Antifa I make my position known all the time. I do not know who they are. They are certainly tiny. I suspect that many of them are already in the pay of the Special Branch. In other words infiltrated and thereby very dangerous.

    • Wellington says

      Jun 11, 2018 at 1:47 pm

      Felix Quigley: I consider Marxism as evil as Islam and Nazism. All three are totalitarian in nature and all three are enemies of liberty. Anyone thinking there can be a kinder, gentler Marxism is as foolish as one who believes there can be a kinder, gentler Islam or Nazism. Let me explain further.

      I proceed on the assumption that any belief system, organization or institution that singles out certain groups of people for second class status or death to be ipso facto evil. Nazism does this with certain ethnic groups (so does the KKK), Islam with non-believers, and Marxism with the upper and middle classes. The only difference here is the “grouping.”

      I have long argued that a belief system should be judged ultimately on what it says and never on the fact that many people who adhere to the particular belief in question don’t fully implement its tenets or wrongly do so. Well, let’s look at the major tenets of Marxism. They are, in no particular order, dialectical materialism, determinism, the labor value theory, the theory of alienation, the economic interpretation of history and the class struggle theory.

      Dialectical materialism is just Hegelian Teutonic nonsense taken to the material sphere instead of a spiritual sphere, what with its thesis, antithesis, synthesis rot. Determinism actually maintains that if one truly grasps Marxism in its entirety then one can determine (hence “determinism’) the future. Frankly, I consider this voodoo for intellectuals. The labor value theory is replete with gross simplicity. It actually asserts that the only reason why anything has value is because of the labor put into it. Marx was no naive here that he didn’t even take into account such things as intrinsic worth and advertising costs. The theory of alienation is where we start to see the evil in Marxism as opposed to just silliness as with the tenets I just described. This “theory” states that workers will be so alienated by their oppression by the capitalist class that they will want nothing to do with capitalism and will seek to overthrow it. But, in fact, workers aplenty, for instance in America, haven’t become alienated by capitalism, rather what they really want to is prosper under it. In short, they too want a Cadillac, a bigger home, more pay, and in general more prosperity for them and their family. The theory of alienation just breeds resentment which can only lead to bitterness at best and mass murder at worst. The economic theory of history is the only major Marxist tenet that has some merit but Marx and Engels went overboard by placing way too much emphasis on this, as if George Washington and other Founding Fathers of America who were already well off when the Revolutionary War began really only wanted to protect their economic interests. No real allowance is made for such things as idealism and the quest for freedom (freedom being something Marxism knows nothing about). Finally, with the class struggle theory we get to the essence of where the evil resides in Marxism. The class struggle theory calls for the violent overthrow of the upper and middle classes. All totalitarian ideologies establish an “us v. them” paradigm and the “them” either have to be made subordinate or eliminated. Marxism has this, Nazism has this and Islam has this. And herein lies the true iniquity of these three freedom-crushing systems of belief.

      One more thing. I don’t consider all Marxists evil anymore than I think every last Nazi Party member in the 1930’s or every last member of the Communist Party in one Eastern Bloc country after another during the Cold War was evil or that every Muslim is evil. Many of such people didn’t/don’t fully understand the tenets of their respective belief system, or were not ready to implement all the tenets of their belief system, or were too lazy to do so, or joined the belief system because it was a way of advancing themselves, etc. For example, Stalin was evil but some Bulgarian Communist Party functionary who was a paper pusher in Sofia and on a daily basis was a good family man and good with friends and strangers, hell he’d even spit his last bottle of vodka with a guest, was not an evil human being, though I think a confused one. A belief system can be evil without everyone who adheres to that belief system being a truly evil person. Hitler was evil but some banker who joined the Nazi Party largely for promotional purposes of his own career and because he didn’t like Jews and thought the Versailles Treaty of 1919 was unfair to Germany (for the record, I don’t think it was but that is a debate for another time) was not also, like Hitler, truly evil. He could be called confused, possibly a coward, and certainly a prejudiced person but not ipso facto evil.

      I have now laid out, Felix Quigley, in outline form, my thinking of what constitutes Marxism (and other stuff). Your turn to reply if you like. And, btw, I have no reason to think you are an evil person but if you are a Marxist/Trotskyite then you are at least a confused person because Marxism is pernicious nonsense and a recipe for genocide and one knows this or should know it. I always have to laugh when I here someone tell me that Marx had some good ideas. No, he did not. His ideas were terrible and he would be my choice for the single most overrated intellectual of all time. As I said, your turn if you like.

      • Wellington says

        Jun 11, 2018 at 1:56 pm

        That’s “…split his last bottle of vodka…” and not “…spit his last bottle of vodka…”

        • LeftisruiningCanada says

          Jun 12, 2018 at 8:59 pm

          I don’t know, some of that cheap soviet vodka was fairly spit worthy…

      • Wellington says

        Jun 11, 2018 at 8:58 pm

        Just read over my 1:47 P.M. post above and detected another error. I used the word “here” when I should have used the word “hear.” The perfectionist in me simply cannot stand such basic errors. Though happily I would add that a beer or two lessens the concern I have about such errors. Ah, beer is so wonderful, but I digress again.

        On a much more important matter, I would like to note to you, Felix Quigley, that there is no reason to admire Trotsky even when his logistical and military skills are taken into account for very much helping the Communists win the Russian Civil War (1918-1921). Here’s why: This man bought into the rot which is Marxism and wanted world revolution to usher in Marxist tenets, which tenets are a prescription for the genocide of the upper and middle classes. Shame on Trotsky for this for all time. He was only too prepared to, per pure Marxistthink, have millions of people eradicated in order to insure Marxism prevailed everywhere. The man was an intellectual psychopath and for you to call yourself a Trotskyite reveals far more about you than you realize.

        Reconsider matters here and reflect upon the greatness of America’s Founding Fathers, whatever their faults, compared to the likes of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Che Guevara, Castro and Mao. I mean if you could have Trotsky come back and rule the world for the next twenty years or have Thomas Jefferson do so, whom are you choosing? Yeah, ponder this query. Much like.

        • LeftisruiningCanada says

          Jun 11, 2018 at 9:08 pm

          + over 9000

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 12, 2018 at 12:32 am

        Fine post, Wellington.

        And while since I live in San Francisco and attended Berkeley I know some decent people who have have at one time or another embraced Communism, that *does not mean* that their having been able to impose it on us ever would have been a good thing.

        I think this is where your noting that some of these people are fully evil and some are more confused is salient.

    • Keys says

      Jun 11, 2018 at 2:29 pm

      Felix Q –

      I hope you respond to Wellington’s reply here.

      Also, how is marxism not supremacist in its ideaology ?
      Can you name one successful Marxist country ?
      Would you argue that China is Marxist ?

  32. Felix Quigley says

    Jun 11, 2018 at 3:54 am

    And looking back up through the comments this appears to be quite the theme from Wellington because he has this also (elsewhere) to say…

    “And to assert as you did that some varieties of Communism are benign is just as silly and erroneous as asserting that there are some varieties of Nazism or the KKK that are benign.

    Marxism, Nazism and Islam are all evil (ditto for the KKK) because they are all totalitarian ideologies and establish an “us v. them” paradigm. They are all a prescription for the eradication of liberty and invariably for genocide. They are all equally evil but not every Muslim, Neo-Nazi, or Marxist is evil even though what they believe in most certainly is.”

    It just seems very strange to me that Wellington is intent in this discourse on the freeing of Tommy Robinson on pushing the meme Marxists are Nazis, or at least are in the same box.

    In fact the proof is in the actuality. I fight for the freeing of Tommy Robinson. I am a Marxist. I am a Trotskyist. Moreover I just do not make the call I also back it up with how it can be done, must be done (website and facebook page).

    I am quite sure that the ruling class are not going to free Tommy Robinson. Pressure politics no longer work. We now in Britain are living in a system which does not adhere to the former rules of legality.

    Very much the same exists in every country in Europe and in America.

    For example the call of Merkel to bring in millions of refugees mostly Muslim was an illegal call.

    The political situation in America where Meuller attempts to impeach President Trump and persecutes Oliver Stone, Manafort and Flynn is also an illegal political situation.

    In other words we are moving from bourgeois or capitalist legal “normality” into Fascism.

    We are moving into Fascism and it is to the great writers on Fascism that we have to turn and the greatest of these by far was Leon Trotsky. And he was a Marxist. To understand these questions surrounding the arrest and jailing of Tommy Robinson read what Trotsky wrote on Hitler taking power in Germany in 1933.

    What strikes me about this is that in the middle of a thread on the issue of Tommy Robinson there is this person Wellington who is intent on placing Nazism, Islam and Marxism in the same box.

    Makes little sense in a logical sense to me at all.

    Wellington should be reading what Trotsky wrote on 1933 Germany and bringing that to Jihadwatch readers. He seems to be doing the very opposite.

    • Felix Quigley says

      Jun 11, 2018 at 3:59 am

      “Oliver Stone” I meant of course Roger Stone.

      Although this growing Fascism in America will effect Oliver also and Oliver is enough of a free thinker to ensure that.

      • Wellington says

        Jun 11, 2018 at 3:45 pm

        The only growing fascism in America can be found on the Left. Any fascists on the right in America have been marginalized long ago. When Robert Spencer speaks publicly (or Pamela Geller or David Horowitz or even someone like Condoleezza Rice who was scheduled a couple of years ago to be the commencement speaker at Rutgers but withdrew after leftists threatened to disrupt her speech) he doesn’t have to worry about anyone on the Right shouting him down but loads on the Left are only too ready to do so or pull some kind of trick on him as occurred at Stanford.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 12, 2018 at 12:43 am

      The problem is that Fascism is not the opposite of Communism–both are totalitarian. Tommy Robinson might just as well have wound up in the Gulag if he tried to assert his right to freedom of speech under Communism.

      • LeftisruiningCanada says

        Jun 12, 2018 at 5:21 pm

        Both are completely left wing too, on every metric that matters, just with slightly differing reasons for the State to control everything and everyone.

        “But “nationalism!” they cry.

        “Communism in one country” we reply.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 12, 2018 at 9:34 pm

      Felix Quigley, note that in over a hundred years that Communism has never resulted in anything but totalitarian states.

      No country has ever voted in Communism, it has always been imposed. And people regularly flee Communist countries.

      And even a small amount of freedom–even imperfectly applied–almost always makes a country better for its people.

      Whereas, apologists for Communism always claim that Communism would work perfectly if only it was imposed “correctly”–something that, oddly, has never once happened…

  33. R Russell says

    Jun 11, 2018 at 3:57 am

    The BBC is a tool of the Globalist totalitarian state. They don’t inform. They misinform.

  34. morris paul says

    Jun 11, 2018 at 4:14 am

    I am a Tommy supporter but as I said when this all broke Tommy gave it to the police state on a plate, hopefully during his jailing, he will enrich himself in the practice of law, and the people at the rally who caused trouble have done nothing only give the media a field day, they are labelling everyone as far right or fascist,people need to as trump has correctly alluded to get smart be very smart.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 12, 2018 at 12:45 am

      So Tommy Robinson’s exercizing his freedom of speech was a bad thing?

      • Felix Quigley says

        Jun 12, 2018 at 3:17 am

        I support Morris Paul in the above and I oppose your interpretation. I am sure he supports Robinson. But he is also critical and I maintain that is what is needed. I disagree with Paul though on one aspect. The issue is not that he did not understand the law (although Paul is right it IS an issue). It is that organizationally he was and here I try to find the correct word…”disunited” from his power base. He was standing on that road with his two friends and colleagues. They came and scooped him. This is an age old problem for revolutionaries of all sorts. If you challenge the system it had better not be a protest, and here again I have to be careful, the action of Tommy in transmitting news was more than a protest. But they scooped him. Who scooped him? We haven’t even got clarity on that on these blogs. But many people are too vain. We need real questions and real discussion. I come back to the key issue how can Robinson be freed?

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 12, 2018 at 9:40 pm

          The idea that we cannot protest in support of Tommy Robinson is a very odd one, especially in light of the protest above.

  35. John says

    Jun 11, 2018 at 4:45 am

    I doubt that the press intend to cause violence but that is exactly what will happen because of their reporting on Tommy Robinson and others who do not meet with their approval. Many people want changes to the government via the ballot box, however this processes is impeded by falsehoods spread by the press. For example, statements by the Independent that hundreds protested on the 9th when in fact there were many thousands and up to thirty thousand, and their discrediting “‘Far-Right Activist” smear which is biased opinion only rather than real factual news – I could cite may other examples of fake news. If the press continues to be characterised by propaganda then peaceful revolution will be frustrated and the only other remaining option will be violent revolution. The UK press have a choice, they can either report the truth without bias or they can continue to lie and thereby cause much bloodshed.

  36. infidel says

    Jun 11, 2018 at 5:45 am

    This malignancy called Islam is only surviving out in the Greater West and other parts of the free-world only because of the illogical support afforded to it by the Left-lib cronies. Else, it would have been long shunted out of these realms. Islam has NO PLACE in the free-world PERIOD!!!

  37. simpleton1 says

    Jun 11, 2018 at 5:46 am

    Saturday 9th June
    “12 noon in Aotea Square, Auckland, New Zealand, a group of around 60 free speech activists gathered to protest the imprisonment of Tommy Robinson”

    http://www.rightminds.nz/articles/auckland-kicks-global-protests-free-tommy-robinson

    https://www.facebook.com/events/2520150354875886/?active_tab=discussion

    Media barely cover it, and explain it as a far right demonstration protests in London

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 12, 2018 at 12:48 am

      *Good*.

  38. Marg says

    Jun 11, 2018 at 6:01 am

    If you look at a website called thepickering post there is an excellent article on the media. There are about a dozen people world wide who decide what we should be told.

  39. Baucent says

    Jun 11, 2018 at 6:35 am

    Great turnout and excellent report from Joshua. I’m sure this is what we all hoped would happen, the thousands that use to march with the EDL and others previously not politically active would rally to this cause. Hopefully a momentum will continue to pressure the UK government to release Tommy.
    Jailing him again, may just prove to be the Elites biggest mistake.

  40. srtrong aingel says

    Jun 11, 2018 at 7:56 am

    Yes a a fiar summary of the event. I left around half an hour after Geert Wilder’s speech. They need to get the shouters off the stage and get serious about the format. Much as I respect the efforts of those who took the stage and made it an ego thing ( I know they all have done considerable work in their respective endeavours), the fact is when you are getting large bodies of people like that together, a sombre and intelligent message should be delivered. I wonder how many of the misbehaving folk were police plants (antifa) into the crowd, specifically purposed to cause issues and bring a bad light on the event. The one or two people I saw being arrested looked bewildered at that, and did not seem to have come from the core group sited on Trafalgar square, who anyways were being well controlled by the polis.

    The gathering brought together respectable people from all walks of life. Had the considerable turn out resorted to violent protest the Police would not have controlled matters they way they so easily did.

    Later I saw Anne Marie Waters speech on YouTube, It was the best and most powerful speech of the day. She had been campaigning earlier in Lewisham, where she is running in the upcoming bi-election. “AMD” is the natural leader for all those of us who wish to supplant the current Parliament with credible, informed representation. Having seen AMD speak at a branch meeting (Ashford) for over an hour, I can only say that all of us need to get behind her and For Britain.

  41. NewWorldParty says

    Jun 11, 2018 at 10:20 am

    The left-wing media is STUNNINGLY DISHONEST.

    Their incessant lies, is the biggest news story of this generation.

    BBC = Building Britain’s Caliphate

  42. Older Canadian says

    Jun 11, 2018 at 11:17 am

    They can protest all they want. Millions can protest, and it will not make a difference. The current government will continue with their party line, because they can.

    A change can only be made when and if the citizens of the UK vote in a government who is not a leftist, globalist, multicultural liberal idealist. I doubt this will happen and the UK will continue its transformation until they hit the bottom and all are equal in their misery.

  43. Politicianophobia says

    Jun 11, 2018 at 3:55 pm

    Rarely, the truck, not a car in Toronto, that drove on an off the sidewalk three times, killing and injuring many, was not a terrorist attack because CBC and CTV told you it was not a terrorist attack. Hell, you are right, it was just another sweet day in Toronto.

  44. Felix Quigley says

    Jun 12, 2018 at 3:53 am

    The question is how can Tommy Robinson, and also the Britain First leaders Paul Golding and Jayda Fransen, be freed, also the ban on Geller, Spencer and Michael Savage into UK be lifted. This iS the central question and the answer to this question may be the answer to all questions. There is absolutely no stated solution from Robert Spencer, Peter McLoughlin (a book is not a programme and his book is definitely not a programme it is a narrative useful as I think it is) , or any of the leaders of what is called the “right wing” on this issue.

    The freeing of these people, who in the sense that they are fighting against the depraved ideology of Islam are not right wingers at all, but essentially are more in the bracket of “libertarians”, is the key issue of the day.

    The Media you will notice buried the story.

    The Media are not some peaceful enterprise but are very much part of the chaims of the dictatorship that is being prepared around us. The Media are not peaceful. The police came with their warrant and force. The Media are an essential part of that force.

    This jailing of Robinson is certainly being directed by the capitalist state in Britain. Pro Brexit, anti Brexit, Conservative Party, British Labour Party, all are united on this question.

    So in this peculiar manner we are being stripped of our democratic rights, are entering fast into a police dictatorship, into a judicial legal dictatorship, and we have many people on these blogs like Wellington, Paul Weston, Gravenimage, so many others who do not even identify that the system we are living inside of is capitalism.

    They defend the capitalist system.

    Part of the way that they are defending the very system that has put these libertarians in prison is that they launch in the middle of their speeches, like Weston, attacks on what they call “communism” which would make the most rabid communist hater purr in delight.

    So these people have their own agenda and I certainly distrust that agenda.

    I ask the question why it is that the British ruling class have been so vicious against anybody who attacks Islam as an ideology. Like they banned Geller and Spencer. The answer must be that they have an alliance with Islam. But why? When did this start? What is the history of this?

    They repress fighters against Islam like Tommy Robinson for their own reasons which are understandable but need to be discussed, but are not being discussed.

    So Wellington, Gravenimage, Paul Weston…over to you. Please tell us how we can get these leaders who in my opinion are actually libertarians released, and at once?

    In your answer you need to be quite specific on your programme for releasing these key people.

    Why do I emphasize the need for you three and others to be specific on your “programme” for their release? That is because there are many millions looking for an answer.

    • LeftisruiningCanada says

      Jun 12, 2018 at 9:04 pm

      Obviously, the answer is to privatize the means of production, produce everything by quotas handed down from the ruling party inner circle, construct the British version of a the gulag system and fill it with all class enemies.

      Next.

      • LeftisruiningCanada says

        Jun 12, 2018 at 9:12 pm

        Oh yes, forgot the second part:

        Then, once the population have been terrorized by midnight disappearances, listening devices under every lampstand and inside every arsehole, half starved to death by mysterious shortages of sub-standard basic goods, and the whole thing collapses into a mad grasping by the still (and always) existent ruling class for what little possible power remains through ever increasingly savage and expansive purges, they can slowly crawl their way back towards a freer more productive way of dealing with one another based on private interest and personal gain.

        Once elections are back on the table, they might remember the terrible recent experiment that failed so miserably (again), and instead decide to not vote in people who promise that the State will give them their every desire in exchange for all their money and God given rights, choosing rather the path of debt free sanity that responsible adults have been trying to follow since common sense sprouted inside the human head.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 12, 2018 at 9:55 pm

      Felix Quigley wrote:

      So in this peculiar manner we are being stripped of our democratic rights, are entering fast into a police dictatorship, into a judicial legal dictatorship, and we have many people on these blogs like Wellington, Paul Weston, Gravenimage, so many others who do not even identify that the system we are living inside of is capitalism.
      …………………..

      When have I *ever* denied that we in the West are living in largely capitalist societies? Of course, I never have. I have never heard Wellington denying this, either.

      The only thing is that I do not believe that free trade strips us of our democratic rights. In fact, I believe that democracy and free trade go hand in hand.

      The only thing is that I *do not believe* that what is happening to Tommy Robinson is democracy–instead, his treatment is *anything* but democratic.

      As for how to get his unjust sentence overturned, I think this demonstration is an excellent start–the British people (and their supporters–I’m an American) openly supporting him and the rule of law. We have the right to free and peaceful assembly.

      And no–I do not believe that a violent Communist revolutions–even if one were plausibly in the offing in the UK–would be the way to ensure individual rights. In action, in fact, it has never done so, and just ensures brutal totalitarianism.

    • Wellington says

      Jun 13, 2018 at 6:06 pm

      Oh, you’re so full of it, Felix Quigley. I have many times at JW over the years asserted that if a state has four things, democracy, capitalism, a proper moral order and a decent legal system, it can work quite well. Take even one of these four away, let alone more than one, and to the extent that these four are not present then you will have regression and oppression. And, for the record, capitalism is the ONLY economic system that produces wealth. All others do not and to the extent that socialism has worked (e.g. Sweden) it is only because it was built upon a capitalistic framework to be begin with. Start a socialistic economy from scratch and you will be headed to economic Armageddon. I aver you cannot prove me wrong here.

      As for being a Marxist/Trotskyite by your own admission, to the extent that you are you are a fool. Marx got virtually everything wrong and Trotsky wanted world revolution to implement Marx’s vastly erroneous and pernicious ideas and thus what Trotsky desired would have led to genocide on a massive scale had he got his way. And yet you admire this man? Pathetic.

      And I noticed you didn’t bother to refute my refutation of the major principles of Marxism which I outlined in my 1:47 P.M. post of June 11th on this thread. Man, can’t you even stand up for what you believe in? Guess not.

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