The principle is always and everywhere the same: in Muslim countries, non-Muslims should change their behavior to conform to Muslim sensibilities. And in non-Muslim countries, non-Muslims should change their behavior to conform to Muslim sensibilities. If you’re a non-Muslim in Punchbowl and want bacon on your KFC sandwich, you’re out of luck. The Muslims eschew bacon, and so should you.
“How Australian KFC stores are refusing to sell bacon in their burgers – because they only use HALAL products,” by Peter Devlin, Daily Mail Australia, June 15, 2018 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
KFC has refused to sell bacon at three Australian stores to keep in line with Halal certified products.
A customer revealed the rule after contacting the fast food company about the lack of bacon offered at a store in Punchbowl, in Sydney’s west.
‘Why is bacon not available at KFC Punchbowl, NSW?’ Disgruntled customer Marc Miller wrote on Facebook.
In response, KFC said the fast food chain’s stores in Punchbowl and Bankstown South in NSW, as well as a location in Fawkner in Victoria, don’t sell bacon to keep in line with other halal products.
‘Hi Marc, currently, the KFC stores at Punchbowl (NSW), Bankstown South (NSW) and Fawkner (VIC) have a number of products which are certified Halal and are available to customers from these stores only,’ the statement reads….
Burnerjack says
I’ve always held the notion that Aussies were fearless and ferocious.
So much so that they are by nature, indomitable.
Clearly, I have been terribly mistaken.
gravenimage says
This is a bit like thinking every American is a cowboy, Burnerjack. There is a nugget of truth there, but it hardly applies to everyone, especially at this point.
David M says
I would say it applies to the people living in our dry inland, they are a tough lot. Over 90% of us live on the coastal strips though, they are just city dwellers like every other city dwellers in the world.
gravenimage says
Yes–today, most Australians live in suburbs.
william carr says
Just boycott their business there are plenty of fast food alternatives (too many in fact)
Personally I only went in a KFC once and never again I hate the smell of those places.
Greg says
Right on Just boycott them
Muppets that they are !!!
Bee says
Boycott KFC as their meat products are halal certified.
Save Europe says
I’d argue – as a Limey (whom virtually most Aussies cannot stop to take the piss out of) – that they are tough and resilient, but it’s down to the vile capitulation by KFC, rather than Australians, per se.
ninetyninepct says
Australia is kissing Islam’s ass. Fill these KFC locations with real Australian protesters and force them to close.
gravenimage says
Australia: Three KFC stores refuse to sell bacon on sandwiches, as they use only halal products
……………………
Why is KFC caving? Aren’t all of their outlets supposed to sell their products?
Also, look what Muslims demand–not just that there be Halal alternatives, but that *no one* should be allowed to enjoy bacon. After all, no one is forcing Muslims to order sandwiches with bacon on them. But they want to impose Shari’ah on everyone–even in an Infidel land like Australia.
Keys says
Exactly, so.
Aussies should boycott these 3 KFCs.
Alex Taubinger says
Aussies should boycott all KFCs
DragarOz says
Screw that, I am boycotting all of their stores and I will be spreading the word.
Cave to the minority, lose the majority.
The Islam invaders are 2% of the population, but in these locations they are more like 20%, still not an excuse the give the bird to the other 80%.
James says
Get woke, go broke!
David M says
These stores are in the heavily populated Muslim enclaves, KFC have probably given in to avoid riots from angry Muslims about bacon.
tim gallagher says
David M, I think you are right about the motivation behind this policy from KFC in these heavily Muslim areas. There would be violence, maybe the stores would be burnt down in the early hours of the morning. But Robert Spencer’s first sentence in this report says it all, as far as I’m concerned. The tolerance is always one way. In Muslim countries non-Muslims have to fit in with Muslim garbage. In non-Muslim countries Muslims are always trying to impose their garbage on non-Muslims. It’s sickening. Totally incompatible. Just keep Islam out. Even though this issue is minor compared to other problems, just keep all this neverending trouble out.
shoehorn says
Muslim employee at a Sydney KFC circa 2011:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io_HLVYN37s
gravenimage says
shoehorn, thanks for posting that video again.
mgoldberg says
again… if it was a Kosher, a Glatt Kosher place, sure, there’d be no bacon.
But there’s no reason none jewish need reframe from bacon, pork or whatever. That is the main difference.
And for a bit of understanding- the halal of islam is a prayer to allah.
Koshering is not a prayer to G-d almighty. It is a set of rules to absolutely minimize cruelty to the animals. they must drop without uttering a sound, a sound of pain. That’s the key point. And preparation is another set of rules that have to be followed. But no non jew is obligated to observe these rules.
That’s the key issue as wih ALL sharia. It’s always an imposition on all others.
I hope regular australians will obstain from eating at any halal places and frequent only non halal kfc’s
RichardL says
Dear mgoldberg,
I am as pro-Jewish as can be (too Zionist for some of my Jewish friends), but kosher slaughter is done in exactly the same cruel manner that halal slaughter is done. In Germany, in the past, Jews and Mohammedans could apply to the local authority for exceptions. Sometimes years went by and Jews would not apply. Why? Because they have arrived in the 21st century: if you stun the animal and the heart is still beating most Jews say that it conforms to the intent of the Jewish law. Halal slaughter destroys the bond between animal and man. That’s why Mohammedans can be cruel to humans and animals: they are brought up inflicting cruelty on fellow creatures.
I have participated in many house slaughtering and cannot imagine why any human being would ever want to inflict the incredible pain on an animal.
Jews are so admirable because they reason about just anything. Unreasoning application of laws increases the distance between man and God. Abraham refused God, remember? The islamic Abraham happily would kill his son.
gravenimage says
True, mgoldberg–Jews do not try to impose Kosher on anyone else.
Peggy says
Muslims won’t eat food if it’s coked in the same dish or grill as pork products so cooking burgers on the same grill as bacon is a huge no-no.
They would have to have separate grills, utensils and staff preparing the food in order to comply with Halal. No cross contamination possible in any way.
So KFC obviously thinks this is a cheaper option. The funny thing is that I am sure Muslims still buy KFC at their other stores which have bacon on the menu. Fawkner is only one store and Melbourne is a huge city with many KFC store. They can’t all drive to Fawkner for their KFC fix.
Fawkner happens to be on the side of town where majority of Muslims live. The surrounding suburbs are predominantly Muslim so I doubt they will lose too much if all non Muslims were to boycott there but what we should do is boycott everywhere to make it hurt.
carpediadem says
These areas would be mainly Muslim areas. i don’t see why they exclude bacon completely though, it should be an option for those who want it.
DragarOz says
Because Sharia is Absolute!
Save Europe says
I’m ironically a vegetarian but have zero time for anyone who imposes their lifestyle choices on others. I abhor halal food – it’s forced on us non Muslims. Disgraceful. People should increase their pork meat consumption just to piss Muslims off. That’s fine by me.
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
Halal is the most cruel and heartless way to kill animals. Pigs are lucky that they are not killed this way. I am a vegetarian so don’t bother to tell me how cruel slaughter houses are, however, islam always takes even the murder of animals to the worse possible level.
What I don’t get where are animals rights groups protesting the inhumanity of halal slaughter? Animal cruelty is supposed to be against the law???? Where is the government in stopping halal slaughter????
James says
The animal rights groups know how to pick their battles so as not to end up like the animals they aim to protect.
gravenimage says
True, Susan B.
Actually, PETA *has* come out against Halal slaughter:
“The Cruelty Behind Muslim Ritual Slaughter”
https://www.peta.org/blog/cruelty-behind-muslim-ritual-slaughter/
They don’t mince words about this being cruel, and *much* worse than the bolt method used in Western slaughterhouses, which is at least painless and instantaneous.
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
You are right about PETA, however they seem to have no teeth. What about western governments stepping in and stopping this cruelty to animals, there are laws in place??? Don’t see any western countries doing anything to charge muslims for breaking these laws. I guess only non-muslims can be charged with cruelty. Be it to people or animals.
DragarOz says
PETA are a bit late to the party on this one.
Must be the only PETA story that has not been taken up by the media, wonder why?
gravenimage says
You are right that PETA has no real power. Still, I’m glad to see them taking a stand here.
From what I have seen, most Infidels have no real idea what Halal is. I’ve asked a large number of people, and haven’t run into a single person who really knows what it is. The most common guesses are just that it certifies that there is no pork in the food, or that some Imam has blessed the food. These are not entirely wrong, but do not tell the whole story–certainly not about Halal cruelty.
Indiana Tom says
Sounds Kosher to me.
Awwww…….heck, out on the farm we just cut the dang chicken’s head off and watched it run around the barnyard. Good fun! Dressing, cleaning and de-feathering the chicken was loads of laughs too. The smell of the chicken immersed in hot water was quite an aroma.
More people on this forum need to spend some time seeing where their food really comes from. No pre-packaged laying on the ground ready to eat stuff there.
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
I don’t eat meat as mentioned, a fact which you seemed to have overlooked. However, islam deliberately finds the most cruel way to kill animals and that fact stands. There are laws in place in slaughter houses to ensure that there is no deliberate animal cruelty. Where are the Halal animals being killed and are the same inspectors there to ensure no cruelty. I don’t think so or there would be no Halal.
Indiana Tom says
Nope. Not overlooked. Just grew up on a farm in reality world.
gravenimage says
Indiana Tom, As Susan noted, pious Muslims go out of their way to cause animals suffering–and they do the same with people. I doubt very much that you have ever done either.
Halal Bacon says
More like Kentucky Fried Coward
Rarely says
The stores must be in heavily muslim neighbourhoods so it’s probably just a business decision and not a cave in to sharia demands per se. It could be as simple as that they have a large muslim clientele and it’s easier than trying to keep things separate. After all muslims love chicken because they are killed by cutting their heads off.
That being said, I totally agree with the horrid killing method used re: halal meat and wouldn’t touch the stuff myself. A boycott of the stores in question would be in order. It would be interesting to see how they did without their non-muslim clientele.
gravenimage says
Having Muslim No Go areas is a problem in and of itself. And–as I noted–no Muslim *has* to order bacon on anything, so not having bacon is indeed an adherence to Shari’ah.
Rarely says
I tend to agree but they would still need halal meat which I wouldn’t touch. The logistics may be difficult to accommodate everyone. They chose to accommodate the muslims so, with a decent boycott, let’s see how they do without the rest of us.
Stacy Girl says
Yes they’d have to put a vegan KFC in my neighborhood. But in Oz they’re caving to a group whose demands are backed up with violence.
DragarOz says
? Kentucky Fried Carrot ?
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
Sounds good, LOL, rabbits will not kill you for not adhering to their creed of Carrots only.
OldFatBaldSociallyIneptRon says
Do KFC’s in Tel Aviv have bacon on their menu items?
Les says
If they do not, what is the issue. It is a Jewish state. Australia is a democratic nation, founded on British principles. Islam is a scourge and a cancer that eats away at society. Islam should be outlawed across the world.
gravenimage says
Your idea that one cannot purchase pork anywhere in Israel is mistaken–it is just that those who keep Kosher do not eat it.
Some KFC outlets did want to offer Kasruth items, like using soy as a binder for the fried chicken batter rather than milk.
OldFatBaldSociallyIneptRon says
Colonel Sanders pbuh just puked in his grave.
eduardo odraude says
I’ll avoid KFC as long as they are halal. While they are kowtowing to totalitarianism, they might as well get Adolf Hitler’s stamp of approval too.
somehistory says
moslims would riot and whine and who knows what else if the establishments even just cook bacon in the same building as their h…hate…a abuse…l lust…a.. atrocity and l… lying…products are prepared.
Those normal customers should eat elsewhere if these three places cater to moslims.
Indiana Tom says
I never knew KFC had any bacon on their products. I must be deprived.
Halal in indiana?
JMB says
Before I even read the article I knew that these KFC outlets would be in Sydney’s Muslim heartland, namely Punchbowl and Bankstown. I understand that there has been at least one Muslim related shooting in a car park at one of these outlets. Those KFC stores are almost a no-go zone for normal Australian families, halal compliance is probably the least of our worries, I think bullet-proof glass would be more important. AND, yes, this is just another dreadful craven capitulation to Islam in Australia.
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Les says
If they do not, what is the issue. It is a Jewish state. Australia is a democratic nation, founded on British principles. Islam is a scourge and a cancer that eats away at society. Islam should be outlawed across the world.
Kangi_yotaka says
I hate islam as much as the next guy, but this strikes me as a problem for two reasons. One, a franchise owner has an agreement with the company – and the terms of that are between them and the company. If they opened a halal one and KFC corporate agreed to it, that’s not just them refusing to serve bacon – it’s in their franchise agreement. Members of my family owned a franchise restaurant of a fast food Company, and the contract was struck in the ’50s – and corporate hated it. The restaurant offered all kinds of stuff the Company didn’t like, but hey – that was the contract.
For example, the Company advertised a certain item. This restaurant didn’t move that item – at all. They tried offering it, but it mostly went to waste. So they quit. Occasionally a patron would raise a stink, but they were reminded that Company tv ads said “at participating locations” – and this location wasn’t participating.
If it’s a heavily muslim area, even if they WERE offering bacon, it likely wouldn’t be financially worth it – and forcing people to do something brings me to point two.
Second, I think most people here would come down in favor of *not* forcing someone to do something they find objectionable. Don’t force people to wear a hijab. Don’t force people to be muzlim.
So why is it okay to advocate forcing them to sell bacon? At a financial loss, even?
utis says
I agree with you. A franchise should have some leeway to serve its customers. As long as the halal only stores have signage to enlighten the kufr to drive on, I’m O.K. If, however, the whole company went halal, it’s time for rioting — and seeking out competitors.
gravenimage says
*No one* said they should be forced to serve bacon–this is a straw man argument.
People have criticized KFC bowing to Shari’ah law–and I think this is reasonable. KFC can change their name to “Halal Chicken” tomorrow if they like.
This is not about Infidels forcing Muslims to eat bacon, as you pretend–instead, it is about the spread of Shari’ah, which ultimately forces everyone–including Infidels–to follow Islamic law.
Kangi_yotaka says
It’s not a strawman argument. This franchise has the right, within their franchise agreement, to sell whatever they want. They don’t have to sell bacon, if that’s what their contract says.
If KFC agreed to that contract, then they did it for financial reasons – probably to get a franchise into an “underserved” area, not because they’re kowtowing to islam. Yum!Brands (which owns KFC) knows which side its bread is buttered on.
If the whole company went halal, that’s one thing. But capitalism is about providing the product the consumer wants. If that area wants bacon-free KFC, then bacon-free KFC will be provided.
You said “Why is KFC caving? Aren’t all of their outlets supposed to sell their products?”
And my point is, no, they’re not ‘caving’ – they have a contract. Not all outlets sell *all* the products – that’s why every ad for national chains includes “at participating locations.”
I nearly always appreciate your comments, GI – I just don’t see this as “caving” or any reason to be up in arms.
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
The cruelty of Halal meat is a reason be get up in arms. It is illegal under cruelty to animal laws in the west and it is time these laws were enforced.
gravenimage says
Kangi_yotaka, the idea that corporations always act for financial reasons is not correct–they also often cave if they expect bad press or violence if they do not.
Peggy says
Very true.
Muslims eat at other KFC locations which haven’t banned bacon but they simply don’t order it.
So why then do we have to have a completely Halal store?
Like you said, step by step Sharia is creeping in.
kangi_yotaka says
Not all franchises offer the same menu. Did you read my examples? You can’t get a Denali Mac in the Lower 48 – it’s exclusively an Alaska product.
You can’t get hot food at every Dairy Queen. Some places simply don’t offer it.
My local Subway doesn’t offer shredded carrots. They also don’t offer certain kinds of bread that other Subways do.
“Individually owned and operated” franchises can, within the terms of their contract, do *whatever the hell they want*.
This is somewhat rare these days, but those kind of franchises do exist. My family owned one for years.
DragarOz says
None of your examples are to do with religious absolutism however
Peggy says
So why is it okay to advocate forcing them to sell bacon? At a financial loss, even?
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Because it is a franchise and we expect all KFC stores to sell the same product. If they didn’t want to sell certain items then open up a chicken store under a different name and sell whatever you want.
Imagine a hungry family happily spotting a KFC on the way back home only to find out they can’t have their favourite burgers. If they wanted to take pot luck then they would’ve driven into another take away restaurant.
Now they don’t have to have as much bacon in stock as another store but I am quite sure there will still be plenty of customers ordering bacon from these stores as well. Majority Muslim doesn’t mean ALL Muslim. How about they cater for the other customers as well?
They will only have waste if they stock too much bacon.
I remember travelling to Philippines and was delighted to stop a McDonalds restaurant because I knew what I was getting there. That’s why franchised establishments should sell the same products and stock those products according to demand.
kangi_yotaka says
That’s not how franchising always works. As I’ve noted, this is why national ads say “at participating locations” or “Prices and participation may vary.”
Not every restaurant stocks every single thing, especially if they became a franchise early when the big company was trying to branch out.
What if I’m in Idaho and want a Denali Mac at McDonalds? Too bad – only Alaska McDonalds have the Denali Mac.
Not every McDonalds has the “Shamrock Shake.”
Not every Dairy Queen sells hot food – some are just ice cream.
Starbucks in a Barnes and Noble often doesn’t take Starbucks gift cards.
“$5 footlongs” at Subways in some areas are $7. Some Subway outlets don’t have all 19 varieties of bread. Not all of them have shredded carrots.
If I go to Subway craving a carrot sandwich ….well, they may not have carrots. Prices and participation may vary. I’m free to have a spinach sandwich, or get back in my car and go to another Subway.
There’s a reason that little disclaimer is on national advertising.
Peggy says
All KFC. McDonalds etc have the same menu. The only difference is that not all have the same promotional merchandise at the same time and that’s when they say at participating stores. At least here in Australia all these restaurants have the same menu (or had up till now). I haven’t been to one which has different menu.
What is wrong with providing the same menu in all restaurants? The only difference would be stocking up on different foods. Bacon might be consumed less at some so their stock will vary in that way but nothing should be eliminated.
If you know your customers then you won’t have too much waste. You will stock up on certain items more if you sell more of them and less on others if you sell less.
Simple.
kangi_yotaka says
Moreover … do I, as an observant Jew, have the right to open a kosher McDonalds franchise in the US or Australia? What if it was in a Jewish neighborhood?
Would you mandate the size of the sign advertising that it’s kosher?
Peggy says
There are McDonalds restaurants in majority Jewish suburbs of Melbourne and they still all offer the same menu.
Just because it’s in a certain neighbourhood doesn’t mean that it’s only caters for that ethnic or religious group.
Peggy says
You can open any restaurant you like. You can open a Jewish restaurant offering only Jewish food and I’m sure others will eat there too.
I have been to Jewish delis in Jewish neighbourhoods as well as Jewish cake shops.
I knew they were Jewish before I went in. Wasn’t expecting to get pork there.
Anyone should be able to open any restaurant they choose but a franchise should be what is expected of it.
DragarOz says
Moreover it should not exclude certain expected menu items that appeal to the MAJORITY based on a religious MINORITY
David says
Peggy, I think separate cooking griddles would be needed. There should be a large sign outside the business saying HALAL ONLY. NO BACON. That would do the job.
MFritz says
Colonel Sanders is spinning in his grave. 🙁
Wakeup says
KFC is a frianchise and long gone are the standards of the Colonel the are basically dirty. They are muslim only employers in muslim areas and they have utter contempt for us. I went into one saw a member of staff go into the toilet take a dump not wash his hands (I checked the wash basins) then he went straight back to work. Utter contempt I don’t eat KFC now.
Brother Charles says
THOUSANDS OF AUSTRALIANS have stopped going to KFC ,Because they have stopped serving their favourite food for breakfast . IT WAS CUSTOM AND PRACTICE for many years , But because they have been THREATENED by CERTAIN PEOPLE ( MINORITY ) THEN THOUSANDS WILL SUFFER ,
GOOD ON YA GUYS THERES ALWAYS OTHER PLACES FOR BREAKFAST .
gravenimage says
The end goal of pious Muslims is to impose Shari’ah on everyone.
Steven says
This so-called muslim-run KFC have existed in Punchbowl for over 10 years (Punchbowl is where plenty of muslim mobs). Then, about 7 years ago I remember I saw on TV news and in newspaper, an infamous incident at this KFC (Punchbowl) after a customer asked for bacon in burger, one of KFC muslim employee gone psycho and begin screaming vicious insults and threatening to attack a customer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io_HLVYN37s
gravenimage says
Yes–I’ve seen that insane video.
I couldn’t imagine anyone at a Jewish, vegetarian, or health food restaurant acting in such a way.
Peggy says
I wonder what the head office has to say about this conduct.
When you agree to open a franchise you also have to agree to abide by their rules. Employees have to have a certain way of dealing with customer.
Did this employee lose his job? I don’t think so.
Mike says
Well, one has to be comprehensive too. After all,KFC has only two choices: 1 be hallal or 2 put bacon in their meals and get bombs back in retaliation from the religion of peace . The religion of peace was made famous ” because of the terror that it inspired in the hearts of infidels ( and fidels ) “.
Mary says
I worked in a restaurant back in the 80’s. They served breaded veal cutlets. One day I read the ingredients it was dessicated pork. Back then I knew nothing about Islam so I never thought anything about it. Sometimes now I wonder how many Muslims ate that.
Hari Singh says
There is a movement in the Western world to make all processed foods and institutional foods schools-hospitals etc. halal.
There is legislation before most parliaments mandating the availability Of Halal foodstuffs. This gives Muslim vendors a food supply monopoly.
Halal is one of the cruelest slaughtering methods and why meat eating Hindus and Sikhs won’t eat it.
Watch out for creeping Halal jihad.
James says
This really is not about bacon and being offended. Its all about muslim superiority. They will never be satisfied with all these concessions. To them we are the offence, we are the bacon.
gravenimage says
+1
Peggy says
Oink oink?
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