The bishop said: “We know that, if Islam has been invoked as the reason to kill, it is because it has been manipulated and held hostage by terrorists and violent people. So, we must help Islam get rid of such manipulative and perverted interpretations, by promoting dialogue and friendship all the time.”
Yes, there is no doubt that Muslims are just waiting for non-Muslims such as Jean-Pierre Delville to come along and show them how to interpret Islam properly.
Meanwhile, are the jihadis really relying upon “perverted interpretations”? Here is what one finds when one turns to the authoritative sources in Sunni Islam, the schools of Sunni jurisprudence (madhahib):
Shafi’i school: A Shafi’i manual of Islamic law that was certified in 1991 by the clerics at Al-Azhar University, one of the leading authorities in the Islamic world, as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy, stipulates about jihad that “the caliph makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians…until they become Muslim or pay the non-Muslim poll tax.” It adds a comment by Sheikh Nuh “˜Ali Salman, a Jordanian expert on Islamic jurisprudence: the caliph wages this war only “provided that he has first invited [Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians] to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya)…while remaining in their ancestral religions.” (‘Umdat al-Salik, o9.8).
Of course, there is no caliph today, and hence the oft-repeated claim that jihadis are waging jihad illegitimately, as no state authority has authorized their jihad. But they explain their actions in terms of defensive jihad, which needs no state authority to call it, and becomes “obligatory for everyone” (‘Umdat al-Salik, o9.3) if a Muslim land is attacked. The end of the defensive jihad, however, is not peaceful coexistence with non-Muslims as equals: ‘Umdat al-Salik specifies that the warfare against non-Muslims must continue until “the final descent of Jesus.” After that, “nothing but Islam will be accepted from them, for taking the poll tax is only effective until Jesus’ descent” (o9.8).
Hanafi school: A Hanafi manual of Islamic law repeats the same injunctions. It insists that people must be called to embrace Islam before being fought, “because the Prophet so instructed his commanders, directing them to call the infidels to the faith.” It emphasizes that jihad must not be waged for economic gain, but solely for religious reasons: from the call to Islam “the people will hence perceive that they are attacked for the sake of religion, and not for the sake of taking their property, or making slaves of their children, and on this consideration it is possible that they may be induced to agree to the call, in order to save themselves from the troubles of war.”
However, “if the infidels, upon receiving the call, neither consent to it nor agree to pay capitation tax [jizya], it is then incumbent on the Muslims to call upon God for assistance, and to make war upon them, because God is the assistant of those who serve Him, and the destroyer of His enemies, the infidels, and it is necessary to implore His aid upon every occasion; the Prophet, moreover, commands us so to do.” (Al-Hidayah, II.140)
Maliki school: Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406), a pioneering historian and philosopher, was also a Maliki legal theorist. In his renowned Muqaddimah, the first work of historical theory, he notes that “in the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force.” In Islam, the person in charge of religious affairs is concerned with “power politics,” because Islam is “under obligation to gain power over other nations.”
Hanbali school: The great medieval theorist of what is commonly known today as radical or fundamentalist Islam, Ibn Taymiyya (Taqi al-Din Ahmad Ibn Taymiyya, 1263-1328), was a Hanbali jurist. He directed that “since lawful warfare is essentially jihad and since its aim is that the religion is God’s entirely and God’s word is uppermost, therefore according to all Muslims, those who stand in the way of this aim must be fought.”
This is also taught by modern-day scholars of Islam. Majid Khadduri was an Iraqi scholar of Islamic law of international renown. In his book War and Peace in the Law of Islam, which was published in 1955 and remains one of the most lucid and illuminating works on the subject, Khadduri says this about jihad:
The state which is regarded as the instrument for universalizing a certain religion must perforce be an ever expanding state. The Islamic state, whose principal function was to put God’s law into practice, sought to establish Islam as the dominant reigning ideology over the entire world….The jihad was therefore employed as an instrument for both the universalization of religion and the establishment of an imperial world state. (P. 51)
Imran Ahsan Khan Nyazee, Assistant Professor on the Faculty of Shari’ah and Law of the International Islamic University in Islamabad. In his 1994 book The Methodology of Ijtihad, he quotes the twelfth century Maliki jurist Ibn Rushd: “Muslim jurists agreed that the purpose of fighting with the People of the Book…is one of two things: it is either their conversion to Islam or the payment of jizyah.” Nyazee concludes: “This leaves no doubt that the primary goal of the Muslim community, in the eyes of its jurists, is to spread the word of Allah through jihad, and the option of poll-tax [jizya] is to be exercised only after subjugation” of non-Muslims.
All this doesn’t sound like a religion that “has been manipulated and held hostage by terrorists and violent people” who employ “manipulative and perverted interpretations.” It would be illuminating if Jean-Pierre Delville produced some quotations from Muslim authorities he considers authentic, and explained why the authorities I’ve quoted above and others like them are “manipulative and perverted interpretations.” But he won’t.
“Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14)
“Belgium: funeral service in Liege for the two killed policewomen. Mgr. Delville (Bishop), ‘don’t let yourselves be drowned by fear and hatred, be makers of the peace,'” Servizio Informazione Religiosa, June 5, 2018:
“Don’t let yourselves be drowned by feelings of fear and hatred, of resignation, be makers of the peace”. This was said this morning by monsignor Jean-Pierre Delville, Bishop of Liege, in greeting the relatives, colleagues and the political and civilian authorities of Belgium who attended the funeral service for Lucile Garcia and Soraya Belkacemi, the two policewomen killed by a man last Tuesday. The Bishop… also sent a special thought to Mrs Darifa Imankaf, a Muslim and a clerk at the Municipality of Liege, who “managed to restrain the terrorist for a long while, thus preventing him committing an ever greater massacre”. Today, the task that all the community of Liege is charged with – mgr. Delville said – is to “oppose to any further development of hatred” and to get out of this tragedy “more mature inside and even more motivated to build tomorrow’s society in friendship”. …Today’s Christians’ mission – the Bishop pointed out in his sermon – is “building connections among people and steering clear of confusion. We know that, if Islam has been invoked as the reason to kill, it is because it has been manipulated and held hostage by terrorists and violent people. So, we must help Islam get rid of such manipulative and perverted interpretations, by promoting dialogue and friendship all the time”….
gravenimage says
Catholic bishop: “Islam has been held hostage by terrorists. We must help Islam get rid of perverted interpretations.”
…………………….
I’m sure pious Muslims will welcome such help from the “filthy Infidels” they have been taught to oppress and slaughter…
mortimer says
The jihadists laugh themselves silly when Western boobs like Bishop Delville claim they “KNOW” Islam.
Nothing the bishop asserted showed the foggiest notion of the JIHAD DOCTRINE which is a COMPULSORY and ESSENTIAL DOCTRINE (usul ud-deen) of Islam. Muslims must believe and PRACTICE JIHAD or be sent to Islamic hell.
Julea Bacall says
Didn’t 300 or so French send a petition to al Azhar recently asking just that very thing. And what were they told?
Jayell says
Doezn’t this Bishop really mean ‘We must get rid of perverted so-called ‘religions’?
Herman says
His own to start with. Catholic “leaders” have lied about islam constantly, bishops in the US, the knights of columbus and especially their pope. It is disgusting their dhimmitude
J D S says
No Mr. bishop…Islam is not being held hostage neither has it been hijacked…Islam is what it is ..read the Koran..hadath…. Susannah and hear what their clerics… imams… have said for centuries and strap preaching Jesus telling Muslims what they need to do to be saved from that awful Lake of Fire…..and preach to yourself also…Roman Catholics should be screaming for the recall of him and many other top leaders in the Roman Catholic church if that can be done.
steveA56 says
Very true, Graven. And yet; it is true that these schools, or variations of Islamic jihad-fuelled global imperialism, are indeed perverse and evil.
Yes, these Catholic Bishops are probably naive and ignorant ninnies, lacking understanding of the Islamic threat to western civilisation.
Or, just maybe, they have read the original texts, and take the view that radical reformation and an acceptance of a negotiated settlement with the west for the sake of true peace and coexistence may be a possibility. But only if we all make nice to them. So they do.
If this is the case then the more tolerant, reformist, peace-loving moderate Muslims will need support from their friends wherever they may be, in their task of persuading their Ulemas to pervert their beloved original texts for the good of mankind; including Muslims.
I’ll cross my fingers but I won’t hold my breath.
Carol the 1st says
A “perverted interpretation” of Islam would actually be:
1/ to allow OTHER faiths to grow and flourish
2/ to allow non-muslims NOT to pay jizya should they be overcome.
3/ to allow stubborn non-converts to continue LIVING after the Islamic Jesus comes to destroy them.
Could Mgr. Delville be asked to explain where he got his *own* version of the graven-in-stone Islam?
Savvy Kafir says
These politically-correct Friends Of Islam really don’t get that, do they? They have no idea how much devout Muslims despise them.
Indiana Tom says
So, we must help Islam get rid of such manipulative and perverted interpretations,
Quick call an Exorcist!
Terry Gain says
Well who can gainsay that Islam has not been hijacked when groups like ISIS emulate Muhammud?
Recent statements by Donald Trump are supportive of the Bishop’s understanding of Islam.
Julea Bacall says
The French petition to al Azhar said just this but they told them they would all go to hell because the interpretation in the Qur’an is the same one ISIL, Shia, al Qaeda, all Islam following the Qur’an is the Word of Allah today as much as it was in 700AD when warlords wrote it down. Have you ever read it? It is ISIL. It is Wahabbi, it is MB & it is Shia. Read it. They all have the same goal, the same bigotry, the same plan. You gotta read it.
Terry Gain says
Another interpretation of the Bishop’s statement is that he is practicing Trumpian 3D chess. So have faith in the Bishop. He knows what he is doing. In time we will come to understand.
Savvy Kafir says
I really wish these politically correct, Islam-friendly idiots would take the trouble to do a few hours of honest research before they start promoting the Religion of Peace myth. Is that really too much to ask? Are facts really held in such low regard these days? Does reality not matter to these fools?
Emilie Green says
“We must help Islam get rid of perverted interpretations.”
Here’s a better idea. Work on getting rid of the perverted priests first.
Emilie Green says
Khomeini was remarkably forthright and consistent in his calls for jihad to subjugate the infidel. Consider this 1942 statement: “Those who study jihad will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. All the countries conquered by Islam or to be conquered in the future will be marked for everlasting salvation. For they shall live under Allah’s law (Sharia). … Islam says: “Kill [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter their armies.” Islam says: “Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to paradise, which can be opened only for holy warriors (jihadists)!” There are hundreds of other Koranic psalms and hadiths (sayings of the prophet) urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim. … Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless.”
Khomeini reiterated these views upon assuming power in 1979: “The great prophet of Islam [Big Mo himself, -ed.] carried in one hand the Koran and in the other a sword; the sword for crushing the traitors and the Koran for guidance. … Islam is a religion of blood for the infidels but a religion of guidance for other people. … We shall export our revolution to the whole world. Until the cry “There is no God but God” resounds over the whole world, there will be struggle.”
gravenimage says
Yes–this is how Muslims think.
Halal Bacon says
muslims don’t think, they are brain washed into submission
Don McKellar says
I am an atheist. However I do wonder about this: Don’t believing Christians consider this man to be demoniacally possessed — or at least influenced — to be promoting a counter-Christianity force like Islam which seeks to supplant Christianity and deny the core tenants of the religion? If not that then shouldn’t this man be at least “de-frocked” for he has embraced the declared and proven by deed enemy of Christianity? How is it possible for him to still be in the Catholic church?
I would suppose that somebody promoting the embrace of atheists like me who don’t buy into any Christian beliefs without evidence to be shunned. However, Islam is another step beyond with an attempt to replace and overthrow Christianity, complete with its own anti-Christ in the Mohammad character.
gravenimage says
He could also just be bone stupid…
mortimer says
Bishop Delville is intellectually lazy about Islam. Sloth is a deadly sin, Monseigneur.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
+!
This is it, exactly.
And the evil created by his violation of Cliford’s Principle is compounded by the fact that he speaks from a position of authority. Listeners will believe that he knows what he is talking about when, in fact, he is ignorant of the topic.
Lydia Church says
You know what?
I have seen many interesting comments for a long time on here that make me think a hopeful thought.
But first the prelude.
We are living in a time of monumental happenings.
We see nations rise and fall.
We see wars and terror like never before.
There is never a stable moment of “okay, now I can relax,” because any next moment can always bring the next 911 event. It’s happening all over the world, and we all know it.
We see governments coalescing into a one world tyranny with police state tactics becoming more and more common.
We see religions melding into one conglomerate beast like head, all holding hands in unity and condoning the unthinkable.
We see natural disasters served up at an ever increasing rate; earthquakes, tidal waves, hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, fires, volcanoes erupting, it’s all escalating into a feverish pitch.
I mean, you gotta admit it.
In fact, everything is conforming exactly to all the end times Bible prophesies, down to Israel and the events surrounding that nation, predict.
Persecution of Christians all over the world.
The apostasy in the church.
A one world leader rising up.
A one world currency coming up.
The last few stand off countries to the new world order coming into the fold.
The last remnants of democracy and civilization being attacked.
A nazi-like group think is coming over all of the population and they are targeting the dissenters.
A one world religion converging.
It’s all taking form.
Now for the hope. There is a happy ending in the Bible.
As Christians, we know this, even though the days are dark (and will get darker), there is even a purpose in all of it for now, and there will be a glorious ending.
But even when atheists, agnostics, and others chime in here, I sense that they seem to be in agreement that at least some of these items are reality, they seem to see that all of this is happening, I mean it’s hard to deny, and it is eerily following the pattern laid out in the Bible.
The Bible also says that in the end times, many will fall away from the faith. (So much for eternal security.) You can’t depart from something that you were never in, and it says that they were in the faith, and they fell away. I have a feeling that may be the case with some folks on here.
Anyway, I just want all of you (and anyone) to know that when you can’t deny the reality of all this anymore, you CAN come back. You can return to Jesus and all of it, just like the Prodigal Son.
And anyone who sees that there must be something more going on here because it can’t be a coincidence, you all can come too. In fact, ANYONE can come to Jesus. All you have to do is go to Him. Just get on your knees, repent, confess, and surrender to Him. Then read your Bible. That is why He died on the cross for you! As long as you have breath in your lungs, there is still time.
Love and God bless!
“All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”
John 6; 37
Granddaddy says
Hello Don McKellar. Regarding your question, most organized Christianity is becoming a fake church. Very few Christians read the Bible any more, so we end up with sincerely ignorant pastors who will say whatever brings in the most “Christians” (because few if any know contradictions to scripture when they hear it, because they don’t read the Bible, because they’ve been taught that the Bible is wrong, but they want to go to the Jesus-club anyway, because all their Christian friends go there, so why should the pastor read the Bible, likewise?). This brings in Muslims (who are allowed to lie to non-Muslims, Allah tells them so) who tell the congregation that Islam and Christianity are nearly the same thing (when of course that is not at all true). And this in turn makes everyone feel warm and fuzzy and safe (from PC informants and Muslim terrorists) even though it does just the opposite. Which all fits in nicely with what Islam calls “civilization jihad” and their plan, which they state openly to anyone who will listen, to destroy the West and in particular the US.
If all this sounds like a weird re-make of Invasion of the Body Snatchers, it’s because most people don’t know that their children (and themselves often also) have been brainwashed, in school and college, for decades, by the political Left and Muslim Brotherhood organizations to love Muhammad, hate Jesus, love Islam, and hate their mother country. (This is why, for instance, we see so much hatred of Jesus and the US in this country and a screwed-up political system that thinks socialism and communism is a good thing [because it’s failed so miserably in the past, again and again, but never mind that, we’ll get it right this time].) These brainwashed children in turn sometimes grow up to become totally sincere but sincerely wrong leaders like monsignor Jean-Pierre Delville who, to anyone who has read the Quran, obviously doesn’t know the first thing about Islam but thinks he does (as does the congregation who listens to him and follows him down the road to Hell). There’s actually a name for this: it’s called Political Warfare. And the road to Hell really is paved with good intentions. But then, the Devil knows this.
I hope this answers your questions. The rest of the Church is in pretty much the same way as Delville (or he wouldn’t have said such a thing, obviously, Delville isn’t stupid, he’s just wrong), so he won’t be de-frocked, but he might be promoted. I am a Christian, and I can tell you that such preaching just drives out people who read the Bible and want to follow Jesus.
Herman says
Their chief, the pope is the super-dhimmi to start with
mortimer says
Mgr. Delville asserted that “We know that, if Islam … has been manipulated and held hostage by terrorists and violent people”.
PRAY, HOW DOES HE “KNOW” that if he has not read and STUDIED the Koran, Sira, hadiths, canonical commentaries and manuals of Sharia law?
Bishop Delville has not done the homework required to “KNOW” what Islam teaches, and yet, preposterously, he PRESENTS HIMSELF as a spontaneous EXPERT on Islam without any knowledge of the contents of Islam’s primary source texts!
WHAT AN IMPOSTOR!
Bishop, READ THE PRIMARY SOURCE TEXTS OF ISLAM before you make a fool of yourself AGAIN.
Carol the 1st says
They had to make the most of an Islamic woman acting like a human and trying to prevent injuries to whoever and so It’s no accident that someone like Delville was sent out to wave the falsehood flag around in front of the troops.
There is no way that people “in charge” of the present world can so overwhelmingly appear to accidentally “overlook” Islam or neglect to “do their homework”. The juggernaut is rolling and few dare or care to try putting a wedge in place (Tommy was a bit of an exception).
somehistory says
islam is a “perversion” from everything good and right and holy.
islam has been a perversion from the moment of its inception. It is the result of perverted thinking by satan the devil and passed along to whichever humans have readily received and welcomed the satanic ideas.
This guy is allowing himself to be used by the devil….funny how close is his name to that title for the demon “god of this world.” He may know what he is doing, allowing himself to be used in this way, or he may have been blinded by fear that the moslims will come for him next and he’s working to appease them.
More and more, the churches are destroying themselves by welcoming in those who only wish to steal from, and then kill, those who welcome them.
duh swami says
Where is the evidence of any Muslim worshipping and following a ‘perverted’ version of Islam? The very idea of a ‘perverted’ version of Islam should be blasphemy to the pious…How dare you contaminate what has been made perfect by Allah? Of the 6000 or so Satanic verses in the Quran, which of those is ‘perverted’?
Carol the 1st says
They cannot condemn or issue a fatwah against that which follows the perfect word of Allah e.g. ISIS.
The ummah may issue criticisms and soothers in a vague (and thus ineffectual) way, but that is primarily for appearances. They all know that it falls short, and, in reality, sends a “dog whistle” to other muslims that the charade continues on its dedicated course. Too many muslims are probably amused by this.
When will we see a huge, signed declaration (by say 1,000 muslims) that might start with something like:
“We are leaving Islam, we will no longer be manipulated, threatened, coerced and divorced from our natural intelligence and humanity. We will henceforth have a respectable place in the Brotherhood of Man”.
Holger kruger says
I think he can be happy i´m not a English man because if i had be that. Then i had to go kill him!!!
nicholas tesdorf says
Someone should send this demented Catholic Priest a copy of the Qur’an (with explanatory notes), and perhaps a Hadith and the Suira of Mohammed for his guidance. If he read it, he might rethink.
Traian imperator says
I would say the guy need to be well beaten.
DHazard says
Muhammad was the first Muslim terrorist, or maybe it was the guy who carried out Muhammad’s first “hit”.
Islam is being held hostage by Islam.
Carol the 1st says
And unfortunately “misery loves company”.
Wellington says
The foolishness and legacy of Vatican II on display again.
Which is why I look upon John XXIII (1958-1963) with even more disregard than Francis I (2013-present).
After all, causes of foolishness are even worse than effects of foolishness. John is the cause here; Francis is but merely one negative effect of this cause.
John XXIII stupidly tried to fix something that wasn’t broken. Look to him first and foremost for why the Roman Catholic Church is imploding before our eyes, all the while it continues its betrayal of Western Civilization and its defense of the very religion which directly, deliberately, clearly, refutes basic Catholic doctrine (and overall Christian doctrine), for instance the Crucifixion of Jesus and the denial of His divinity.
So sad. So stupid. So tragic. So deadly.
Carol the 1st says
Yes, it’s good to point that out. We all admit full God comprehension is beyond our scope (Islam certainly substantiates that). Christianity is not so divorced however – the living example of Christ provides us with a comprehensible *touchstone* (via our Holy Spirit I guess you could say).
In Vatican II there were sixteen documents. The shortest was the Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions (Nostra Aetate). I wondered if Jesus was mentioned at all. He is. Here’s a link to a palatable summary:
Vatican II on Non-Christian Religions – By Dr. Jeff Mirus
https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/otc.cfm?id=674
Traian imperator says
Give them British young women and money. This is going to help a lot.
Cretius says
Yet another useful idiot enabling supremacist Islam.
Lydia Church says
Okay, stand back. Some mockery is in order now:
“It’s called the KORAN, stupid!”
You can’t reform islam, that is like trying to clean off a pile of dung.
When you are done, there is nothing left!
St. Manuel II Palaiologos says
The dogma of Divine Simplicity, nominalism and Papal perennialism comes home to roost.
gravenimage says
You find dhimmis in every faith, I’m afraid–including among Orthodox Christians:
“Four Principles from Patriarch Kirill on Islam, Western Immorality, and Interfaith Dialogue”
http://myocn.net/four-principles-patriarch-kirill-islam-western-immorality-interfaith-dialogue/
In a recent meeting with one of Turkey’s most important Muslim leaders, His Holiness Patriarch Kirill of Moscow emphasized four things.
1. The Moscow Patriarchate looks forward to continued dialogue and strengthened relations with Muslim leaders, especially given the rapid decline of morality in the West…”
He excoriates non-Orthodox Christians as supposedly too secular, but has nothing negative to say about the horrors of Islam.
He does note Christian persecution in the Middle East, but falsely says that it and other Islamic violence “is contrary to the true principles of Islam”.
Wellington says
Fine retort, gravenimage. Orthodoxy has produced its fair share of apologists for Islam just as Catholicism and Protestantism have.
Instructive how many Orthodox go after Catholicism much as many Protestants do too. Of course, there are Catholics who look down upon Orthodoxy and Protestantism but at least in our time not as much as the other way around. But it’s all silly stuff, i.e., Christian v. Christian, when ALL Christians should be united against the religion that with specificity denies the most basic of Christian doctrines (e.g., the Crucifixion as to found in Sura 4 of the Koran) while at the same time usurping not only Jesus as a Muslim but Noah, Abraham, Moses, et al. as well. Few things are more foolish than fighting among those who should be allies while a common enemy awaits the subordination or destruction of everyone who is an “other.”
gravenimage says
Yes, Wellington–you find dhimmitude in all Christian denominations–as well as many brave Anti-Jihadists.
Pretending that it is only one denomination or another that is the problem does not help *any* of us threatened by Islam, Christian or not.
An aside, but hope you are taking time to relax and raise a beer on this Saturday night.
Sandy says
We didn’t believe that bs when G W Bush said it after 911, and we don’t believe it now.
The offense of such lies being poured out of these fake followers of Christ smells like a swamp of stagnant water. Enough of their Lies!
Aussiemate says
I’ve read and heArd several times in the last few months that the real reason behind, in 0artivulat, the British govt. is that Saudi and Qatar own half of London (canary wharf, Olympic village, harrods, the shard etc etc) as well as 20% of the stock exchange ………. now, there’s the teason that every one from the heads of govt , judiciary, P.O.ice Down, ‘keep a lid on things’ …….. the collapse of the economy!
This Bishop is trying with all of his might is promoting peace, we mustn’t been seen to go down the fascist track, again. We can’t have another holocaust………… we all feel guilty. Gid help,us!
Charlie says
“The unexamined life is not worth living” Socrates. Perhaps it is not Christianity that is the true foundation and protector of western civilization. If Bishop Jean-Pierre Delville is truly speaking for the Catholic Church then we will soon be stuccoing over the ceiling of the Sixteen chapel. You can count me out. What a coward, this alleged “Bishop”. If you can’t speak the truth, then don’t say anything at all. The cowardly lie is more of a danger than the poignant truth.
Terra Nova says
Where did this Bishop of Liege get his education,?
“We must offer them dialogue and friendship and stay on doing this. How long does he think we are already busy to get this violent religion to become normal. Where has he been all this time?
His ignorance is incredible ! Bishop, you should put your staff down and your high hat and see , and what is really happening with Christians and infidels in Arab countries, and it is not up to you to forgive them, it is up to the people that they beheaded, raped, flogged and murdered and in Europe the same. Not once you have opened your mouth to condemn this extreme violent behaviour.
Cowardness in the Catholic Church is by all means not new !!!
Kasey says
The first step must be to contact the Al Azhar university in Egypt to convince the grand sheikh et al, that this is necessary.
Otherwise all the interfaith dialogue will be a waste of time because it doesn’t really involve faith in a religion but an adherence to a violent and lethal ideology that will use taqiyya at every opportunity to avoid it having to make any concessions to Infidels.
patriotliz says
The only thing Europeans are “drowning” in is the cyanide-laced Kool-aid forced down their throats by the Catholic Church Leftist Globalists that Islamic terrorism is a perversion of Islam and that they should welcome the followers of this warmongering “religion” that wants to kill you. The truth is —ISLAM is a perversion of religion and killing infidels is a core belief.
Learning Islam says
A recent report by Open Door USA, a nonprofit research firm, identifies 2016 as the “worst year” for worldwide Christian persecution since the organization began monitoring human atrocities 25 years ago.
“Christians throughout the world continue to risk imprisonment, loss of home and assets, torture, beheadings, rape and even death as a result of their faith,” the report stated.
Open Doors documents evidence that says about 90,000 Christians were killed for their faith last year. More than 200,000 experienced religiously motivated violence or persecution.
An earlier report by the Italy-based Center for Studies on New Religions also estimated 90,000 Christians were murdered for faith around the world in 2016. Study author Massimo Introvigne called Christians “the most persecuted religious group in the world.”
A year ago March 14, Congress passed House Resolution 75 by a unanimous 393-0 vote. The resolution recognizes as “genocide” the persecution of Christians, Yazidis and other religious minorities by ISIS.
A week later, then-Secretary of State John Kerry said “Daesh” (ISIS) “is genocidal by self-proclamation, by ideology, and by actions.”
This week, Pope Francis released a video asking for prayers for an end to Christian persecution. The pope said Christians are “killed, burned alive, throats slit, and beheaded with barbarous blades amid cowardly silence.”
The Open Doors report found North Korea tops the list as the most dangerous places for Christians. Somalia comes in second, followed by Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Eritrea and Yemen.
The irrefutable evidence of Christian persecution, mostly at the hands of Muslims, led to outrage last year when data from the State Department Refugee Processing Center revealed only 0.5 percent of 12,587 Syrian refugees admitted to the United States in 2016 were Christian – a total of 68. Sunni Muslims comprised 98.2 percent and Shi’a Muslims totaled only 20, or 0.15 percent.
Christians, Yazidis and Shi’a Muslims are victims of what the Obama administration identified as a widespread religious genocide of religious minorities throughout much of the Middle East and Northern Africa by Isis and other Sunni Muslim extremists….
millions of indigenous Christians living in the Muslim world? According to reliable statistics published annually, some 40 of the 50 worst nations in which to be Christian are Muslim majority. Of the absolute worst 21 nations — 18 of which are Muslim — “100 percent of Christians experience persecution.”
Vastly outnumbered and politically marginalized Christians in the Islamic world simply wish to worship in peace, and yet they are still hounded and attacked; their churches are burned and destroyed; their women and children are kidnapped, raped, and enslaved. These Christians are often identical to their Muslim co-citizens in race, ethnicity, national identity, culture, and language; there is generally no political or property dispute on which the violence can be blamed. The only problem is that they are Christian — they are non-Muslims- — the same category Israelis fall under. Christians in Muslim nations have no power to defend themselves. The rest of the world should hang its collective head in shame for ignoring Islam’s atrocities.
Carol the 1st says
Isn’t the UNHCR to blame? Can’t this be changed?
Gjallarhornet says
Well, if islam could get rid of mohammed if would make a lot of progress …
No Muzzies Here says
The idiot thinks that if “we get rid of perverted interpretations” that what remains will be a peaceful, tolerant, warm welcoming religion. Wrong. Self-delusions like this do not help.
Ed Lee says
Bishop Delville is demonstrating his massive ignorance of the Koran. In sura 3 verse 7 Allah explicitly forbids any human being (or any entity in the universe, except himself) from doing any interpretation of the Koran.
Politicianophobia says
Just another disgraceful so-called religious man.
OldFatBaldSociallyIneptRon says
The Catholic Church, after decades of declining attendance and dwindling collection plate revenue has found a new income source via government payouts for refugee resettlement assistance. As usual, morales and truthful messaging have taken a backseat to MONEY.
Tom says
If the fundamental tenets of a religion are fundamentally violent, then the more fundamentalist a devotee becomes, the more violent he becomes.
If the fundamental tenets of a religion are fundamentally peaceful, then the more fundamentalist a devotee becomes, the more peaceful he becomes.
If one looks at the great religions of the world one can see the latter occurs the more devout their followers are. Not so with Islam, the more devout the followers the more Jihad and Terror they perpetrate on non believers, as demanded within the fundamental tenets of Mohammad, the founder of Islam.
Ren says
The catholic bishop should have known that “islam has been linked with terrorism” because Muhammad the founder of islam was a terrorist.
Sahih Bukhari 4, Book 52, Number 220
Narrated by Abu Huraira
Allah’s Apostle said, “…I have been made victorious with terror…”
UNCLE VLADDI says
No big surprise, really.
All religious people are thought-killing cowardly psychopaths in denial of basic reality.
Carol the 1st says
An Agnostic Reformation might be the ticket!
Learning Islam says
Blasphemy laws are heavily used against Christians in Islamic countries. Many non-muslims are framed by the state and put into jails. Bishops should do something for this sort of injustice.
William says
Dear Bishop: You really don’t understand Islam, you don’t. Shame on you! you are supposed to be a leader.
Dude says
Were he and his gangs perverting his message, through the ages, up to this second?
Do your homework or shut up.