But remember: there are no no-go areas, and if you think otherwise, you’re a greasy Islamophobe.
“Already in 2011, a ground breaking 2,200-page report titled ‘Suburbs of the Republic’, concluded that many French suburbs are becoming ‘separate Islamic societies’ cut off from the French state and where Islamic law is rapidly displacing French civil law.”
Funny how that never came up when the Mayor of Paris was threatening to sue Fox News (she never did) for discussing no-go areas in France.
“Macron is losing control over Islam-dominated no-go areas in France, asks public for help,” Voice of Europe, June 11, 2018:
France’s President Emmanuel Macron admitted that France has lost the battle against drug trafficking within the growing number of no-go zones in the country.
In a speech for 600 business and political guests in May, Macron called on the local mayors themselves – together with the population – to find suitable solutions, for the problems in France’s 1,500 no-go areas or ‘sensitive areas’ as France calls them.
Many mayors were struck by Macron’s speech. They had expected concrete political guidelines. Macron’s proposals are a long way from the ambitious strategy for the sensitive zones that former minister Jean-Louis Borloo had previously developed and published on behalf of Macron.
Instead, Macron passed the buck: not he, but his predecessors have caused today’s problems. All solutions designed from above have failed, so they must come from below. He called for a “general mobilisation” of the population, organising itself to save the nation….
He announced that by 2020, there will be 1,300 additional police officers in 60 sensitive neighbourhoods. Everyone can report problems on a central website. An estimated six million people – about one tenth of the French population live in the 1,500 neighbourhoods that the government classifies as sensitive areas.
Already in 2011, a ground breaking 2,200-page report titled “Suburbs of the Republic”, concluded that many French suburbs are becoming “separate Islamic societies” cut off from the French state and where Islamic law is rapidly displacing French civil law….
Jan Sobieski says
But Macron insists that more muslims are to brought into France. The disconnect from reality is there for all the see.
Vlad says
As I keep on saying:
The French will always be there for you when they need you
The Greek says
So hence the saying: CHEESE EATING SURRENDER MONKEYS!!!!!.
mariam rove says
Yet his solution is bring more of them in. M
Duncan says
Doesn’t Soy-Boy Macron still live in his mother’s basement, or did he marry his mother? I recall there is something very weird about him, similar to fellow Soy-Boy Trudeau in Canada. We need real MEN running countries – not wimps. American President Trump and Victor Orban in Hungary are examples of the type of Captain needed to turn ships around.
Duncan says
After research I discover Soy-Boy Macron didn’t marry his own mother – he married his ex-school teacher (old enough to be his mother; she is 65 and macron is 41). Very weird.
She has a child from a previous marriage, 2 years OLDER than macron. I suspect macron will remain childless, like many of Europe’s ruling elite, unless the Soy-Boy does some shagging on the side. I’m trying to imagine having a step-father YOUNGER than me.
Carole says
I find the use of the term and sarcasm “greasy Islamophobe” really irritating and feel that it undermines what to me is a really valuable forum of information that you offer to all of us You are a scholar, and I prefer your more objective and well studied voice instead and think that by eliiminating the whining rhetoric and use of the greasy Islamophone term you would keep some of the racist public that is attracted to this site away. The important point here is for all of us to be informed, not hood winked by ignorant pronouncements of politically correct people in power. I do not like to read the unedited hate commentary from the public that is unfortunately often attached to your valuable news commentaries. .
JayT says
I for one do not have my feathers in a ruffle if he uses the term “greasy Islamophobe” as it’s simply a sarcastic reminder of what Islamic supporters often throw at anyone opposing their ideology. That said, I’ll compliment you on resisting the urge to corral this as “we”, like some others on this site do, for what is your own opinion. As for the rest of your context, I don’t have anything good to say about it.
“Racist public” is who? The viewers coming to this site would in general be either for or against Jihad and since that is a religious concept incorporating many different ethnic peoples across the world, where is the racism? As is often pointed out on this site – Islam is not a race, its a religion.
“Whining rhetoric” is actually not going to ever qualify from a phrase of two words that aren’t repeated often within the same body of literary expression (but you knew that when choosing to make a Chicken Little accusation that the sky is falling).
If you don’t like to read the following comments to his articles, why the hell are you reading them?
Carole says
I usually avoid reading them but sometimes I do write in, therefore receive notifications.
Right, I should have used the words bigot or intolerant, not racist.
Keys says
Robert Spencer wrote above:
“But remember: there are no no-go areas, and if you think otherwise, you’re a greasy Islamophobe.”
Is it just the word “greasy” you object to, Carole ? Would the following wording be acceptable to you ?
———But remember: there are no-go areas, and if you think otherwise you’re labeled a racist Islamophobe. ———
gravenimage says
Wait–you consider Anti-Jihadists to be bigoted and intolerant?
Why should any civilized person be tolerant of things like the establishment of violent Muslim “No Go” areas in France? How is this a good thing?
Mark Swan says
Carole,
Intolerant of what—attack on our freedom—yes intolerant, indeed.
If you have had enough—pour it out and go to bed, tomorrow
is another day—you are annoying and enjoying it.
Geoffrey Britain says
“As is often pointed out on this site – Islam is not a race, its a religion.”
Au contraire! Islam is NOT a religion. Islam is a violently expansionist, enslaving, murderous, misogynistic, pedophiliac, totalitarian ideology that wraps itself in a facade of religious pretense.
This is confirmed by Islam’s claim to be grounded in the religion of Abraham, while rejecting and reversing every tenet of Judeo/Christian theology. Islam purports to honor Jesus as a prophet, while rejecting and opposing every tenet he taught.
Allah bears far more resemblance to Lucifer/Satan than he does to “I am that I am”.
Can Satan create a valid ‘religion’? But if he could… how would it differ from Islam?
gravenimage says
Islam is a religion–it is just a very evil one.
Frank Anderson says
GI, can Nazism and Communism also be called religions and given Constitutional protections? What’s the difference? All 3 want non-conformists tortured, imprisoned or dead. All 3 are totalitarian ideologies that seek to define and control every aspect of a person’s life. All 3 seek to undermine and overthrow any society where liberty and choice exists outside of their choices. What do you see as the difference other than age?
gravenimage says
Frank, Nazism and Communism are not religions–but neither is espousing them illegal under the First Amendment.
Instead, most people just understand that these are vicious creeds, and so they are marginalized here.
With exposure, I believe the same thing will happen with Islam.
And of course, the full *practice* of these creeds is illegal–no one can oppress or murder in their names.
Frank Anderson says
GI, practicing the third great teaching, “Ask every question repeatedly and fearlessly,” any group that advocates the violent overthrow of the government, that teaches and routinely practices widespread hate and violence should not be regarded and certainly should not be protected as a religion. Sooner or later someone will make a connection, have an idea, or gain an inspiration how to stop our country and what is left of the “free” world from committing societal suicide. Always best wishes to an honored and valued friend.
IanB says
When giving voice to my opinions on Islam I have been called far worse than “greasy Islamophobe”: Nazi scum, fascist, racist bigot, far right xenophobic cretin …
… by people wilfully ignorant of Islamic texts, the so-called prophet’s vile character and behaviour, Islam’s brutal history and present day intentions.
If they called me a greasy Islamophobe I’d probably laugh myself to death.
Carole apparently hasn’t had my experiences in this regard but I’m glad she’s sticking around on JW for enlightenment.
Red Bee says
Indeed the comments that are hateful are a problem. Not only because they are repugnant to read but also because they reinforce the general publics idea that critics of Islam are knuckle-dragging morons. People who post comments like that shoot in their own foot.
We need to reach the 80+% of the electorate that does not know what they are dealing with.
I made my website about Islam (click my name) based on the idea that Islam does not stand up to close scrutiny. The 80+% is fully capable of recognizing what Islam really is but the problem is they are not looking.
I try to lower the threshold & find new ways to reach the 80+%. If you have ideas, please let me know.
Carole says
Thanks, I’ll check you out.
I guess that RS wants all of the rants or he would edit them out. To me, they drag him down, too, guilt by association. His real work is to illumine, not shut out the light. Too bad. On the other hand, I enjoy hearing him speakn videos because he is academic, balanced and informative and leaves out the sarcasm.
Terry Gain says
Carole
Robert Spencer believes in free speech.
gravenimage says
Carole wrote:
I guess that RS wants all of the rants or he would edit them out.
…………………..
Robert Spencer does not have time to read all the comments here. If you find an objectionable post here, you can report it at the “Contact Us” box on the right-hand side of the page. That’s what I do, rather than making snide comments.
Wellington says
Seconded, both Terry Gain’s comment and gravenimage’s.
Mark Swan says
Absolutely Terry Gain, gravenimage, Wellington.
j_not_a says
How about “stinkin’ islamophobe instead then? Would that be more to your liking?
gravenimage says
+1
Frank Riley says
I agree that we should strive to be objective and edifying in our comment. But it’s not ‘racist’ to be critical of Islam because this is a religion that extends throughout many lands — all the way from Indonesia to Morocco and elsewhere into northern and southern latitudes.
My own family were attached to a welcoming agency in the West for several years, receiving to stay with us — and without any payment — a good number of persons from different parts of the world of different ‘races’. (I put ‘races’ within quotes because there’s truly only one race, the human race.) I remain, however, very concerned by the progress of Islam throughout the West and elsewhere and feel strongly that this should be opposed.
Frank Riley says
It appears I might be responding to some other posting here and apologise if I am.
Carolyne says
He who pays the piper calls the tune. This is Mr. Spencer’s forum. I believe him to be much more learned on the subject of Islam than most of us, and likely all of us, here. He uses the term “Greasy islamaphobe” because that is how we are thought of by many. We are not snowflakes and we can take it.
elee says
Anybody ever heard of a French town called Vichy?
gravenimage says
+1
Older Canadian says
It is either now or never.
It is quite simple. Enforce French laws. Use the military, with police assistance. The zero tolerance will be understood by the slime, and appreciated by the decent citizens.
France has a long history of periodical civil unrest. This time deport if applicable those who commit a crime, the modern version of exile or execution. History is repeating itself, solution is in the history books, so Macron pick up a book and read, and while you are at it, give a copy to your cabinet members.
Geoffrey Britain says
Enforcing French laws and deporting those who commit crimes does at first glance appear to be a solution. Unfortunately, other factors make it a temporary but ultimately, futile gesture. Those factors are the much higher Muslim birth rate and the greater radicalization of each younger generation.
In non-Muslim countries, the first generation is least radical, as a high percentage seek to escape Islam’s tight strictures. As Islam itself supports its fundamental tenets, which the ‘radicals’ are simply most devoutly following, it is the radicals who hold the theological ‘high ground’. Which is why the moderates are silent for they know this to be true. Silence BTW makes ‘moderates’ complicit in the violence.
So we have a situation in the West where Muslims are growing quickly as an ever greater percentage of the pop. And we have an increasing percentage of radicals in each generation.
Islam teaches that when Muslims comprise 30+ percent of a pop. they have a right to live under Shariah law… societal collapse then becomes inevitable given Islam’s totalitarian nature.
Rob Crawford says
Does France still have an army?
LytchZam says
It’s somewhere in Mali.
James says
If France can’t solve its problems now in a peaceful way, it will end up having to dust off its guillotines in the future. But who would be put in them is the question?
gravenimage says
Is this another claim that Islam is not really a problem?
Walter Sieruk says
The extreme arrogant ungrateful gall of those Muslim migrants to set up “No- go zones” in the area of ant city or town in the nation of France..What those Muslims are doing is testing the will of the France to see how far they are able to push the Islamic agenda for power and control. The same tactic is also used in European countries as well .Such as Germany and Denmark and so forth. The Islamic “no -zones also included veiled threats and other times outright threats of violence towards people who are not Muslims. That’s some strange kind of “peaceful religion.”
Furthermore,Regarding those violent Muslim migrants, with their Islamic “no go zones, who were allowed to enter the different countries of Western Europe with result in them not only being ungrateful but even worse yet many of those Muslim migrants becoming so very arrogant to the point that they became criminals . As in some of them engaged in rioting and even rapes of the European girls and women. In addition to this vile brutal behavior by the heinous Muslim who were kindly permitted to enter the nations of Europe to live, As the countries of ,for example France, Germany Sweden, Denmark etc. This unthankful Islamic spirit on the part of those lawless violent Muslims who immigrated to the countries of Europe may be explain, in part, by the fact that the Muslim fundamentalist group that even had the president of Egypt assassinated in the month of October of the year 1981 has a fifty –five booklet that is was written only for Muslims fundamentalists but was later discover by non-Muslims. This booklet’s title is THE NEGLECTED DUTY. One scholar, Johannes Jansen who had thoroughly investigated Islam and Islamic terrorism has even discover that those Muslims, who had entered Europe of behaved in violent and heinous ways, are actually action out what they view and a sacred individual duty of the jihad as by engaging in awful violent criminal action in non-Muslim lands . As Jansen revealed that jihad booklet of Islam, THE NEGLECTED DUTY “contains all the ideological material needed to justify the attacks of 9/11 or any other acts of terror committed to frighten non-Muslims. And he thinks the document explains the criminal behavior of suburban and center –city immigrant youngsters in many European cities; its author clearly ‘sees Islam as license to kill rob and commit arson.’ “ [1] Nevertheless, many of the apologists for Islam still have that blatant gall , in spite of all the facts of reality, to actually make the claim the Islam is a “peaceful religion.” What a totally false to make that Islam is “a peaceful religion “What Bull! A “peaceful religion” indeed.
[1] The Islam in Islamic Terrorism by Ibn Warraq pages 308, 309.
Undaunted says
What is needed are cops who are not afraid to beat and kick ass when it needs to be done. As well, arming every French cop and giving them reasonable ROE will help.
The European says
Islamization in France has reached a very critical stage, and maybe in ten years the victory of Islam over France will be complete. By then, France will be lost to Islam, if there is no major event which initiates a total reversal. In my opinion this event can only be 1 a radical replacement of ist traitorous political class, 2 civil unrest and popular uprisings , 3. a total ban on immigration and 4. large-scale repatriation of its Muslim population.
Being myself half-French on my mother’s side and havind lived and studied in Paris, I like France and all things French very much, but that country is ruled by a degenerated class of politicians, media pundits, judges, lawyers and prosecutors who are about to succumb to a disease called Islam.
If one wants to understand the mental state of France, there are two books one must have read.
The first one is “Le Camp des Saints;” written by Jean Raspail ( a rather old book,dating from the seventies, which describes the effects of mass Immigration, “Camp of Saints” in English), the second one is “La Soumission” (“Submission” in English), by Michel Houellebecq, a recent book which is about the degeneracy of the French intellectual class, willing to submit to Sharia law.
j_not_a says
Sort of on the same page, but what kills me is that there was a boat load or two of yet more african muzzlums that launched from Libya this week that Italy refused to let land and Spain, foolishly, let disembark on their shores. Spain, who for 800 HUNDRED YEARS, was under izlamic boot. 800 HUNDRED YEARS. Have they not learned ANYTHING from that incrediblely horrid long time in their history? If they have not, then then there is really no hope for France. Stupid, stupid stupid..
Westman says
The first duty of a real democratic government is to protect its citizens. France, ruled by aristocratic, privileged, self-serving government has embarked on a program of manipulating the “working class” without the understanding or experience of what they are doing to the lives they so obviously hold in contempt.
Now that the problems the privileged created begin to creep up into their own eschelon, they have a sudden need to have the working class solve those problems at working class expense. Just like always; musn’t get dirty, or worse, killed when cannon fodder is so available.
And how are the people supposed to help, Macron, when your government will threaten or jail anyone who resists the Islam Wave? What do you think these “sensitive areas” represent?
What malodorous emanations effuse from the souls of such “leaders”, being the very essence of parasites upon the people. Now the people are asked to save them from their incompetent decisions? We wouldn’t want to see any of those limousines burned like the little people’s cars, the Louvre sacked, and Notre Dame with a crescent.
The alligators are coming and Macron & Co. are just as tasty as any French citizen.
Mark Swan says
“Sensitive Areas”
Yes it seems all extra-ordinary-special people become hyper-sensitive
when required to obey the same rules as every ordinary person.
Tom says
Seems the french people must once again storm the Bastille (metaphorically speaking) in their effort to regain control of their suburbs.
Drastic situations sometimes require drastic measures to be taken, and having 60 no go areas in which French law is not dominant seems pretty drastic to me.
Police in numbers supported by troops must take back the no go areas if the French want to once again have control in their own country. Anything less will only result in either total domination by Islam or a second revolution by the average French citizen.
Either way France is not going to get away without a great deal of blood being spilt.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
no-go zones = rebat
(This has all happened before, many times. If you don’t know the true history of Mohammadism then you are doomed.)
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Alternate spelling is ribat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribat
gravenimage says
France: Macron losing control over Islam-dominated no-go areas, asks public for help
……………………
This is only going to get worse with France letting more violent supremacist Muslims flood into their civilized nation.
Mark Swan says
Sadly true gravenimage, the whole Western World had better wake-up soon.
Joe says
It sounds as if Macron wants France to bleed. He is providing more police and Muslims at the same time.
The Muslims establish no-go zones, because they don’t want to be around non-Muslims. It is against their religion. Each day they try to increase the size of the no-go zone.
Macron doesn’t explain how all of this works. In fact, he attempts to tie it to drugs.
Indiana Tom says
Macron called on the local mayors themselves – together with the population – to find suitable solutions, for the problems in France’s 1,500 no-go areas
Surely not!
Muslims are bouncy trouncy fun fun fun!
Just another example of a greasy Islamophobe.
Robert deals in the real world where people who tell the truth about Muslims get labeled ‘greasy Islamophobe.’
Indiana Tom says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VurBc_QpUbs
herb planter says
Just ban Islam Macron ezpz. Didn’t France welcome back a bunch of Isis ppl?
j_not_a says
What would you think of a master plumber who was hired because he was ostensibly the best in the business to fix a catastrophic leak. Who did not logically first turn off the main water valve but instead, hurried around asking anyone he could find to get mops and buckets to try to sop up the rapidly rising tide of water? And then still could not understand why the water the water was not receding. Macron is a lousy plumber, a very lousy plumber.
gravenimage says
Spot on metaphor.
Mark Swan says
Absolutely j_not_a .
Lydia Church says
That photo is a classic, it looks like he has a satanic pentagram as a crown with devil’s horns on top.
Just saying…
6woods says
So let me get this straight: Macron is calling on the “public”, the same public that was never consulted about the massive muslim ‘refugee’ influx, the same public that is denigrated as racist and xenophobic and threatened with jail for questioning the wisdom of said massive influx, to HELP SOLVE THE PROBLEMS OF NO-GO ZONES?
Hahahaha! You can’t make this stuff up!
gravenimage says
He may also be calling on the Muslim “public” to report on Jihad plots in the No Go zones–which is even crazier.
6woods says
No. He’s calling on the non-muslim French to help make things better. The muslim hordes in the no-go zones are not part of the ‘public’. Macron knows this.
David M says
Macron asks French public to fix law & order & Muslim problem. I agree they should, vote in Le Pen & it might start to happen.
roberta says
Give them real separation from the French Gov. you idiots. Cut off the welfare and half will be in Germany in a moths time. Parasites need to a host to feed from………….Being French you should know more than a little about this.
roberta says
months time haha
Matthieu Baudin says
“… He called for a “general mobilisation” of the population, organising itself to save the nation…”
Yes, and the President will do his part by continuing to flood the country with new arrivals, very many of whom have precious little loyalty to European norms or respect for non Muslims.
IanB says
The French should reopen the penal colony on Cayenne – Devil’s Island – for convicted Islamic terrorists. It’s old brutal regime brought back would be considered a living death, worse than execution.
No Muzzies Here says
Macron thought he could make nice with Muslims. It hasn’t worked. They still hate him, and will pursue their goal of turning France into a Muslim hell hole.
kouldb says
So, the gilded Age of Idiocracy & The Reign of Imbeciles is coming to a close? Hardly. In any case. Too late I say. The establishment, their elite political cronies (Macron included), along with their Zionist technocrats have betrayed their nations like no other European & western leaders in human history. En mass. They are guilty of genocide & treason. And each should hang from the city gates. Every one of them. Starting with Merkel, Macron, Juncker, May & the imbeciles in charge of Sweden.
Frank Anderson says
kouldb, I don’t understand why Zionists would be included. The people we both oppose, oppose and sell out Israel at every opportunity. Jews in Israel have been suffering from muslim violence a long time before any significant events in Europe.
gravenimage says
Frank, kouldb includes Zionists because he is a notorious antisemite.
He used to regularly rant about Jews here until he realized it wasn’t going over very well.
Felix Quigley says
The Antisemites of the world try to change the true meaning of the term “Zionism”. This is connected to the backing which the Stalinist (i.e. not Marxist) gave to the Arabs in the 1967 war. Then with the defeat of the Antisemitic Arabs in the 1967 war the focus changed from military to ideological and from this spawned really the whole of the present day “left” opposition to Israel. Robert Wistrich explained this quite well. There is a tradition in Russia which comes from the fight against Antisemitism of Marx, on to Lenin and especially Trotsky to fight against Antisemitism. That tradition put down roots in Russia. So thereby the Stalinist regime in 1967 and since have not referred to “Jews” which is too open but to “Zionism” which is being disguised somewhat. The answer is education. But I must say by not taking up the role of Stalinism and the fight of Trotsky against Stalinism, also Robert Spencer and too many others who should know better, they like Gravenimage cannot answer this historical phenomenon.
So the answer of Gravenimage to this Antisemite is not really very satisfactory. It is as if she dips her little toe, not even her big toe, into the murky water of Antisemitism and because of her deep hatred of socialism and communism does not confront the issue of how Trotsky fought against Antisemitism AND against Stalinism.
But Gravenimage this will not work, nor will the answers of Spencer, because today people need to understand the full story of history, without compromise.
I give such people like this who do fight against Islam their due. But it is their deep hatred of Trotskyism which is Marxism that means they cannot extend their hatred of Islam very deeply. Such people as Gravenimage and Spencer, but many many more, either ignore this history I am speaking of, or distort it.
Frank Anderson says
Thank you for this explanation. Do I understand correctly the apparent conclusion is that “Zionism” is being used to conceal general anti-Jewish intent by people who hate Jews but are afraid or unwilling to say/write it? There is a story (true or not?) that Leon Trotsky was a Mason who used his knowledge of Masonic recognition rituals to aid in the second extermination of Masons in Russia, in 1923. The first took place in 1823. Some really bad people have lived in this world.
Felix Quigley says
Frank first is correct…second re Masons false
Max says
Macron is losing control over Islam-dominated no-go areas in France.
Only in France? Islam-dominated no-go areas are out of control in Italy, UK, Sweden, Denmark, Greece, Germany and most of the other countries in Europe.
gravenimage says
Grimly true.
Felix Quigley says
Everywhere with no exception.
Capitalism cannot kill Islam.
Vicky says
You purposely placed your citizens in harms way, making them fish in a barrel, and now you ask them to help you when you hold all the cards?
Dustin Koellhoffer says
The Left is never civil and increasingly profane.
https://liberalsbackwardsthink.com/2018/06/22/hysterical-liberals-see-fascism-in-republicans/
Ade Fegan says
Help ?
help the ass hole and get arrested for islamophobia !
Felix Quigley says
Islam is fully integrated into the world capitalist project…hence the difficulty
Mic says
Gotta wonder what Macron is smoking. What in the world does he expect the french pepple to do, blow the islamomaniacs whose goal is to subject his nieve rear end to sharia a giant kiss and make everything better ? Maybe he can ask john kerry to send James Taylor over to sing some nice songs of peace and love. He’ll do anything but what needs to be done. Weakness only encourages the followers of the mad prophet to push their vile agenda forward