On this new edition of The Glazov Gang, we were joined by Armin Navabi, an ex-Muslim who is the founder of Atheist Republic.
Armin discussed How Aisha Ignited the Shia-Sunni Divide, unveiling what really sparked the endless Islamic Civil War.
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mortimer says
Aisha was willynilly the reason for a number of unjust decisions and political divisions within Islam.
The favorite wife of the prophet of the Arab imperial movement became a key figure as an apparent authority on the ‘true’ teachings of the movement. She is one of the most quoted narrators of ‘traditions’ about Mohammed. The story of Aisha is the story of pedophilia and accounts for pedophilia having an unassailable and normative position in Islam.
The controversy regarding Aisha and her father Abu Bakr, no doubt led to the alienation of different factions and the eventual poisoning assassination of Mohammed and the coup d’état takeover of the movement by Abu Bakr.
The adulterous accusation against Aisha led to the most misogynistic and unjust laws which disadvantage women in any contest against men in a court of law.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
mortimer, you are crazy mithraist christian liar. All allegations against Aisha that she caused the divide, she was adulterer and that Prophet Muhammad was pedophile marrying her at 6 and consumation of the marriage at 9 are all false. your Satan god you call Holy Spirit is a homosexual having anus sex with you and that is why you produce horrible bad smells. Idiots
Fred Middleton says
Only those who have received the Spirit can understand the things of the Spirit – something a Muslim will never be able to do.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Fred, you mean you receive the Satan you call Holy Spirit? The entity mithraist christians say representing the voice or breath of God never exists. that spirit you experience is exactly the Satan tempting you to commit evils.
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed has enumerated some of these “evils” before–believing in a loving God, and condemning pedophilia, rape, and murder.
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed is trying to pretend that the bloody divides in Islam were invented by the Infidels–but this is absurd; they are entirely Islamic.
As for his claim here that the pedophile “Prophet” did not marry Aisha at six and begin raping her at nine, this is just bizarre.
Just recently, Ibrahim itace muhammed affirmed that Muslims can “marry” children on the model of the “Prophet”. He can’t even keep his own bs straight.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Liar Gravenimage, I said Aisha reached puberty before Prophet Muhammad consumated the marriage, age is immaterial. In fact the reporter of the Hadith inadvertently put 6 instead of 16 and 9 instead of 19.see Abu Ray’s work on the critique of this Hadith. But you ignorant critics do not know care to check and assume that since there is statement on 9 ,she must be bellow puberty. Fools
Naildriver says
Ibrahim, the thing is too many Muslims themselves reject your revision or never heard of it and continue to molest children in example to the prophet Mohammmed who even were these crimes from him not to have occurred many more make him perhaps the vilest example of character a man could have, with his examples of greed, murder, torture, paranoia, lust, theft resentment, etc. Simply astonishing that so many follow this evil without question.
gravenimage says
If Ibrahim itace muhammed *really* believed that the Hadith meant 16 instead of 6, and 19 instead of 9, he’d be taking it up with his pedophile coreligionists who are out “marrying” children, instead of harassing the good Infidels at Jihad Watch.
Muslim scholars affirm that Muslims can rape girls as young as nine, because that is what the “Prophet” did.
Little girls are suffering all over the Muslim world because of this, as the dishonest Ibrahim itace muhammed well knows.
Besides, this supposed error is only possible if one is using numerals rather than writing out the numbers in script. This would not have been possible with the earliest compendiums of Hadith.
Further, as I noted, Ibrahim itace muhammed himself has said that there is no minimum age for Muslims to “marry” and abuse little girls.
Nine year old girls have *not* entered puberty, and should not be forced to marry pedophiles.
TheBuffster says
Ibrahim, Mortimer is not lying. If a person reads a hadith that is considered to be sahih that says Aisha married Muhammad at six and moved in with him at age nine, then repeats what is in the hadith, how is that lying? If the hadith is wrong, it is the hadith that has mislead that person, and not necessarily through lying but through error. Saying something that is untrue is only a *lie* if you know it’s untrue and present it as if it’s true. That is, you have to *intentionally* be misleading people to be a liar.
I have never heard of Abu Ray before, and I imagine neither has Mortimer or Gravenimage. I’ve googled for information on “Abu Ray” and found nothing except some people on Facebook and Linked In by that name. I doubt you’re talking about them. So if you want us to consider his thoughts on this subject, you’re going to have to tell us where to find them. And it would be more inviting if you presented your dissent with people here in a calm and reasonable manner, even when some people choose to be rude to you first. Civility goes a long way in getting people to take a person seriously.
Here is information from a Muslim website about Aisha’s age:
http://islamqa.org/hanafi/askimam/308
Every Islamic source I have read on this so far has said that Aisha was six (sometimes seven) when she married Muhammad and 9 when she went to live with him and they consummated the marriage. So despite Abu Ray’s opinion on the subject, it appears that the mainstream Islamic view is that she was nine years old when Muhammad first had sex with her. It is also mainstream that she was eighteen years old when Muhammad died.
Also, a sahih hadith shows Aisha playing with dolls made of rags when she was with Muhammad. Did sixteen-year-olds play with dolls back then?
Some Muslims may choose to believe that Aisha was at least a teenager when Muhammad deflowered her, and given that in most cultures of that time girls were often married off in their early teens, that wouldn’t be so shocking a thing. People died earlier back then and so started families earlier, despite the fact that young teens who have only recently developed the ability to conceive a child face graver hazards in carrying and in childbirth.
But marrying as a teen is not the traditional view of Aisha’s age and it is unfair to call non-Muslims liars when they are only stating what they have read in the Islamic sources.
Muslims and Muslim societies who take those sahih ahadith about Aisha’s age seriously do allow marriage to young children and sexual consummation at nine (or whenever the child has had her first menstruation). I know that in Iran a girl is considered to be marriageable at age nine and that this is not exclusive to Iran.
So if Abu Ray has a provable argument showing Aisha was sixteen and nineteen – if he can somehow prove that whoever wrote down that hadith forgot to put a one in the tens column of both ages – then you should be eager not only to tell us kafirs so, but to relay that information to all the Islamic leaders of societies that still permit girls to be married off at young ages. If you can convince them, you will be saving a lot of young girls a lot of misery.
Anthony says
Stupid childish insults to back up your lying reply is pathetic!
Mohammad the false prophet said he thought he was demon possessed.
Well he was!
Mark says
Ibrahim, do you know that you have committed the unforgivable unpardonable sin? I’m afraid to say that you have blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Forget about Aisha and Mohammad and whatever else! Oh my Lord Yeshua said, “And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but the one who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.” (Luke 12:10).
Anthony says
Shouldn’t bother with Ibrahim, he’s obsessed with anal sex and other vulgarities!
He has a vile spirit!
Fatma Mohammed says
“The story of Aisha is the story of pedophilia and accounts for pedophilia”
Most Christian scholars agree Mary was between like 12 and 15 when she had Jesus. She was married to Joseph who was 90 something? Is there some kind of double standard you forgot to mention.I could care less what religion you are but if you have a actual point, use something other than an Ad Hominem attack. This is where most Christians who argue religion show they are intellectual flyweights. They just gullibly believe whatever a Pastor tells them never reading and researching for themselves.
The minimum age at which a person is able to lawfully marry, and whether parental or other consents are required, vary from country to country.
In most states, children under 16 can be married too. In the 25 states [1] which have an absolute minimum age set by statute, this age varies between *13* and 17, while in 25 states there is no statutory minimum age if other legal conditions are met. Although in such states there is no set minimum age by statute, the traditional common law minimum age is 14 for boys and *12* for girls – ages which have been confirmed by case law in some states.[2] However even 11-year old girls have been known to be legally married.[3]
Look it up! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_marriage_in_the_United_States
How about some research before you start bragging like a donkey?
Stupid brainless cuckoo ….. with asinine mind!
Was Prophet Muhammad (S) a Pedophile? Lecture in English.
For the complete video click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj0-HWFb-uI
Did the Prophet Muhammad Marry a 9 Year Old? – Dr Sayed Ammar Nakshawani
Anthony says
Which Christian scholars and what scriptures sanction it and teach it?
Lisa Letto says
The spirit of Lust is what this religion was based on, and is driven by. Even today, the result of this error is obvious
PATRICIA FRANCES KOENIG says
The civil wars in Islam weaken them which makes them less able to conquer the West Though they are doing a good job of it so far.
zoniek says
Wow! That was very interesting. So Ali recommended divorce and Abu Bakr got pissed off. And so it began. Just wow!
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
I agree.
Thank you Jamie Glazov and Armin Navabi. This was a very informative interview.
I did not know that the events/story around Aisha’s lost necklace was the trigger that caused the intra-family rift that led to the schism.
gravenimage says
Glazov Gang: How Aisha Ignited the Shia-Sunni Divide
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It’s true that the Shia *hate* Aisha–you can find scores of sites claiming that she is burning in hell.
Here are Shi’ite *children* celebrating Muhammed’s child bride supposedly in hell:
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=14c_1345737415
And yet, they love the fact that the pedophile “Prophet” Muhammed started raping the poor little girl at nine. This is why the vile Ayatollah Khomeini lowered the age of marriage in Iran to nine. *Ugh*.
Richard says
Gravenimage: You have done a magnificent job on this nutcase and the ‘profit’ Mohammed. May God bless you!
Fatma Mohammed says
You mean you are the descendants of YOUR own “morally justifies pedophilia”! Read your own history! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age …..Canon law in medieval **Europe**, accepted the age of puberty for marriage to be between 12 and 14, but acknowledged consent to be meaningful if the children were older than 7. There were authorities with a claim that consent could take place earlier. Marriage would then be valid as long as neither of the two parties annulled the marital agreement before reaching puberty, or if they had already consummated the marriage. It should be noted that Judges honored marriages based on mutual consent at ages younger than 7, in spite of what Gratian had said; there are recorded marriages of 2 and 3 year olds.[2]
Still, in most of Northwestern Europe, marriage at very early ages was rare. One thousand marriage certificates from 1619 to 1660 in the Archdiocese of Canterbury show that only one bride was 13 years of age, four were 15, twelve were 16, and seventeen were 17 years of age while the other 966 brides were at least 19 years of age at marriage. And the Church dictated that both the bride and groom must be at least 21 years of age to marry without the consent of their families; in the certificates, the most common age for the brides is 22 years. For the grooms 24 years is the most common age, with average ages of 24 years for the brides and 27 for the grooms.[16] While European noblewomen married early, they were a small minority[17] and the marriage certificates from Canterbury show that even among nobility it was very rare to marry women off at very early ages.[16]
The American colonies followed the English tradition, but the law was more of a guide. For example, Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) was only 9 when she was married to William Williams. Sir Edward Coke (England, 17th century) made it clear that “the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband’s estate was 9 even though her husband be only four years old”.[2] Reliable data for when people would actually marry is very difficult to find. In England, for example, the only reliable data on age at marriage in the early modern period come from records that involved only those who left property after their death.
Not only were the records relatively rare, but not all bothered to record the participants’ ages, and it seemed that the more complete the records are, the more likely they are to reveal young marriages. Additionally, 20th- and 21st-century historians have sometimes shown reluctance to accept data regarding a young age of marriage, and would instead explain the data away as a misreading by a later copier of the records.[2]
In France, until the French Revolution, the marriageable age was 12 years for girls and 14 for boys. Revolutionary legislation in 1792 increased the age to 13 years for girls and 15 for boys. Under the Napoleonic Code in 1804, the marriageable age was set at 15 years for girls and 18 for boys.[18] In 2006, the marriageable age for girls was increased to 18, the same as for boys. ……..
Was Prophet Muhammad (S) a Pedophile? Lecture in English.
For the complete video click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj0-HWFb-uI
Did the Prophet Muhammad Marry a 9 Year Old? – Dr Sayed Ammar Nakshawani
Anthony says
Which Christian scholars and what scriptures sanction it and teach it?
Anthony says
So you are saying that Islamic Sharia law from Allah is relative to and above kaffar law based on kaffar history!
Therefore, it is not separate and divine?!
Oh dear!